Hey guys, GOOD GAME!

[Ken]

Damn....I gotta give it up, you guys called it...BARRON IS TRASH! OMG!

I really can't believe that just happened.

Well, you guys look like a solid club that is going to stick around all year...no doubt about it...The Eagles are the worst in the Division.

Until we play next time.....in Dallas.

[Warhead36]

Both teams played pretty poorly. As I expected the game could have went either way, but ultimately the Cowboys made more mistakes(and bigger ones)that helped us win.

The NFC East as a whole is fairly mediocre.

[dwdj75]

If Barron is given a seat on the plane, I'll be surprised.

[RedskinPryde]

HTTR!!!! Too close for confert, but a wins a win

[Califan007]

Both teams played pretty poorly. As I expected the game could have went either way, but ultimately the Cowboys made more mistakes(and bigger ones)that helped us win.

The NFC East as a whole is fairly mediocre.

Yeah...the Giants are the best team in the NFC East, but only by default lol...

[Kindred]

I think we're discounting our defenses, both teams have pretty good defenses and I think we saw the results: a relatively low scoring game. We need better WR options, you guys need better Oline options.

[dwdj75]

The Panthers were just awful that game, especially the QB.

[slogriff]

Another amazing Cowboy/Skins classic. Congrats on the victory.

[Ken]

Yeah...the Giants are the best team in the NFC East, but only by default lol...

Eh....I think the Cowboys will work it out. They made a ton of mistakes and still should have won if there RT was the worst in the league.....I STILL can't believe that just happened!!!!!

[dwdj75]

Eh....I think the Cowboys will work it out. They made a ton of mistakes and still should have won if there RT was the worst in the league.....I STILL can't believe that just happened!!!!!

I can't believe how wide open Roy was, if Barron had let Barber help with a chip game over.

[Fred Jones]

I have to agree. I was not impressed with the play of both teams. Some thoughts.

1. Dez showed that he could play in this league. Still too early to make the call, but he showed enough.
2. Austin picked up were he left off (Good) and Williams did the same (Bad).
3. Pukes still have a good defense.
4. Your Oline is going to be a problem all season. When you play teams with better Dline players that will allow teams to drop more in coverage it will be even more glaring.
5. I don't understand why Wade gets so upset when one of his players makes a stupid mistake. He is the head coach and it starts with him.
6. Teams will figure out the quick passing and take it away.
7. Lastly, the pukes played better than I expected and better than their preseason showing.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Down to the wire. A heartstopper of a finish

[Big Blue Joe]

Yeah...the Giants are the best team in the NFC East, but only by default lol...Given their division record, technically it's the Skins who are the best team in the NFCE.

[Birdlives]

I can't believe how wide open Roy was, if Barron had let Barber help with a chip game over.

Irrelevant. Orakpo was less that five feet from Romo. At that point, you have to hold and hope it doesn't get called. Otherwise it's a sack for Orakpo.

[Ken]

I can't believe how wide open Roy was, if Barron had let Barber help with a chip game over.

Yup....I really can't believe I defended this guy at all. I apologize for anyone's time I wasted on this (tr1).

Just inexcusable. He got away with a bunch of holds too....guess you can't call it on every play....

[CowboysSaintsFan]

The Redskins O looked like they were getting their feet wet - in the weeks ahead, look for them to have more consistency and flow. They got the W, and it's well deserved.

[Chachie]

Damn....I gotta give it up, you guys called it...BARRON IS TRASH! OMG!

I really can't believe that just happened.

Well, you guys look like a solid club that is going to stick around all year...no doubt about it...The Eagles are the worst in the Division.

Until we play next time.....in Dallas.



Although I could hope Orakpo had the sack if not held, I can't say I don't feel extremely lucky. The Cowboys had a touchdown and the win for about 3 seconds and my heart sank. To be given new life with no time left on the clock after I thought we lost kind of cheapened the win for me. Amazing finish but not a great game. Both teams kept handing it back to each other. Neither team was taking it. Ridiculous. I'm relieved but not thrilled.

[tr1]

Eh....I think the Cowboys will work it out. They made a ton of mistakes and still should have won if there RT was the worst in the league.....I STILL can't believe that just happened!!!!!

Frankly, Ken, Romo should have been picked TWICE in the final drive.

Also, Orakpo would have killed Romo on that last play.

Barron saved his life.

And, then there's that crappy play calling...sheesh...what was that at the end of the first half?

[Warhead36]

It was a typical Skins-Boys game. Our games always seem to be poorly played but have some ridiculous finishes.

[Warhead36]

And, then there's that crappy play calling...sheesh...what was that at the end of the first half?

I don't blame the call because I'm assuming Rick Astley....I mean Jason Garrett called a hail mary. Romo should have just bombed it deep, or Jones should have...not let a DB strip him of the ball like that.

[Birdlives]

Although I could hope Orakpo had the sack if not held, I can't say I don't feel extremely lucky. The Cowboys had a touchdown and the win for about 3 seconds and my heart sank. To be given new life with no time left on the clock after I thought we lost kind of cheapened the win for me. Amazing finish but not a great game. Both teams kept handing it back to each other. Neither team was taking it. Ridiculous. I'm relieved but not thrilled.

Interesting take. Wow.

I actually came out of this game with some sense of hope I did not have before the season started.

If we lost a close one, fine, we're just getting started building under a new regime.

To end up winning and beating a team the caliber of the cowboys is like extra gravy on my biscuits, quite frankly.

[No_Pressure]

Barron didn't just do that one time either, it had to be 4 times in the game that were called, and the rest of the Cowboys' offensive line was holding pretty badly all night, I kept seeing blitzers come free and suddenly run like they're stuck in mud with a guy's arm around them.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

No ifs ands or buts, the Redskins are the better team tonight.

[tr1]

I'm not sure if Armstrong is that bad or Scandrick got away with that much... I think there was one on each of them in the end zone.

And, what the hell is it with special teams for us? Is there any other team that's struggled with kicking as much as we have for the last decade?

Anyway, this was a sweet win.

Ratliff is a freakin' beast...but, tonight, he's a loser.

[jflow78]

Damn....I gotta give it up, you guys called it...BARRON IS TRASH! OMG!........Until we play next time.....in Dallas.

Right back at ya, Ken.

Yeah, Barron was awful. Hopefully the next game is a LOT cleaner by both teams.

[dallasfan]

Irrelevant. Orakpo was less that five feet from Romo. At that point, you have to hold and hope it doesn't get called. Otherwise it's a sack for Orakpo.

yeah, he got beat so bad he had to hold

[ArmchairRedskin]

Armstrong strikes me as a little bit shaky. That TD he had in preseason included a bobble and he bobbled the ball twice tonite. I dunno. Maybe it's just a matter of nerves and he needs to find a groove, but in the back of your mind you're wondering if maybe that's why he's been cut before.

[Ken]

Frankly, Ken, Romo should have been picked TWICE in the final drive.

Also, Orakpo would have killed Romo on that last play.

Barron saved his life.

And, then there's that crappy play calling...sheesh...what was that at the end of the first half?

Ehhhh...maybe. Barber was right behind Barron. If we had one of our young takles starting, we win. they are both better than Barron.

The Cowboys dropped picks too. It happens. The throw to Austin in a crowd was a terrible decision by Romo. The other was a missed hot read by Bryant.


Not going to nit pick the game there was a bunch of stuff on both sides that could have would have.....

[Fred Jones]

Armstrong dropped the first pass, and Jenkins did a good job on the second toss and Armstrong failed to overcome. Have to give it to Jenkins and the failure to Armstrong. I said at the time he should be benched.

Ratliff and Ware are still beasts and cause all kinds of trouble.

I was hoping for Dez to not look as good as he looked for a rookie.

[dallasfan]

I don't blame the call because I'm assuming Rick Astley....I mean Jason Garrett called a hail mary. Romo should have just bombed it deep, or Jones should have...not let a DB strip him of the ball like that.

tashard choice, not felix jones, which does make it even more suprising.

[jflow78]

The Redskins O looked like they were getting their feet wet - in the weeks ahead, look for them to have more consistency and flow. They got the W, and it's well deserved.

I certainly hope so. That was a VERY scrappy game by everyone. I don't want to see our receivers and RBs dropping easy passes all night. Seemed like it happened when we needed it most too (and Rogers' INT that he couldn't catch, sheesh!)

I will also say, I was generally praying for Ware when he went down cause it looked like it might be really serious at first. I'm sure he's fine though, after getting up and walking off. Never like to see someone go down with a hit to the head like that.

[Chachie]

Interesting take. Wow.

I actually came out of this game with some sense of hope I did not have before the season started.

If we lost a close one, fine, we're just getting started building under a new regime.

To end up winning and beating a team the caliber of the cowboys is like extra gravy on my biscuits, quite frankly.


Good pov and I should take it but I just watched us lose a nail biter and had that lump in my throat. When the penalty was called the lump didn't go away for some reason. I'll get over it. :)

[chaos]

They made a ton of mistakes and still should have won if there RT was the worst in the league.....

No, if he doesn't hold, Orakpo gets the sack. Game over.

[Califan007]

I can't believe how wide open Roy was, if Barron had let Barber help with a chip game over.

Well, hell, if we're eliminating mistakes from the equation...

- If we don't bobble that snap for the chip shot FG the Skins win no matter if there's a hold at the end or not...

- If Rogers hangs on to the sure INT in the last minute of the game, the Skins win and Romo never even gets a chance to connect with Williams...

- If our punter doesn't shank that gawd-awful punt the Cowboys don't get the ball back on the Skins' 34 yard line and most likely do not end up with a TD on that drive...

- If Barron doesn't hold, Orakpo most likely sacks Romo or at least rushes him to throw before Williams had a chance to get open...

- If....well, you get the idea.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

I certainly hope so. That was a VERY scrappy game by everyone. I don't want to see our receivers and RBs dropping easy passes all night. Seemed like it happened when we needed it most too (and Rogers' INT that he couldn't catch, sheesh!)

I will also say, I was generally praying for Ware when he went down cause it looked like it might be really serious at first. I'm sure he's fine though, after getting up and walking off. Never like to see someone go down with a hit to the head like that.

Don't sweat that first offensive performance - in 2007 when Wade came on aboard with a revamped coaching staff, the Defense looked VERY bad for the first couple of games, largely because the players were still adjusting to a new system. Ditto the Giants with Spagnuola at the beginning of that same year. It was in the 4th qtr when I saw the Skins O starting to work smoother.(ie-this was like one of the very few times McNabb has the luxury of a running game to complement him, as Andy Reid doesn't like to run the ball)

Again, you guys got the W, and that's all that counts.

As for the NFCE - the Eagles have some very key injuries(Weaver and Jackson are gone for the ear) and Kolb isn't all that, the Giants looked good today, however, the Panthers start alot of rookies, and you guys got a key win tonight. So we will see.

[Ken]

I certainly hope so. That was a VERY scrappy game by everyone. I don't want to see our receivers and RBs dropping easy passes all night. Seemed like it happened when we needed it most too (and Rogers' INT that he couldn't catch, sheesh!)

I will also say, I was generally praying for Ware when he went down cause it looked like it might be really serious at first. I'm sure he's fine though, after getting up and walking off. Never like to see someone go down with a hit to the head like that.
I will let you know that I was concerned for Orakpo when he went down because i thought it was a knee. I hate seeing players go down to injury, luckily, I had a misdiagnosis!

Portis earned my respect today, very impressed the way he picked up the blitz...Trent Williams is going to be a good one...real good one.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Ken, your credibility is totally shot

Feeling comfortable with Alex Barron

:ols:

:ols:

Please, just leave and never come back

[Spartacus87]

5. I don't understand why Wade gets so upset when one of his players makes a stupid mistake. He is the head coach and it starts with him.

I don't understand that either.

It's been Wade's team for 3 years now. Any dumb mental mistakes from the team are on him as the HC.

Cowboys just don't have a good o-line this season. It ultimately cost them tonight, even besides the holding they got away with during the game that wasn't called, but I think by the mid-point in the season and going into the last half, that's when we'll really see the wheels come off the o-line in Dallas. That's the time of the year when your lack of depth really catches up to you.

Which is why I personally thought all this Super Bowl hype for the Cowboys this year was a good laugh. They don't have a playoff caliber o-line, at least not one to go deep into the playoffs.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

I will let you know that I was concerned for Orakpo when he went down because i thought it was a knee. I hate seeing players go down to injury, luckily, I had a misdiagnosis!

Portis earned my respect today, very impressed the way he picked up the blitz...Trent Williams is going to be a good one...real good one.

Looks like McNabb is going to have a consistent run game to complement him - Andy Reid never liked to run the ball in Philly, although McNabb became the scapegoat for all of their losses.

Well - McNabb isn't in Philly anymore, but Reid still continues to mis-use timeouts, have poor ST play, and apparently despite a new conditioning coach, the injuries are still mounting.

[skins4eva]

What an amazing win!!!! I can't sleep now.

[Califan007]

Looks like McNabb is going to have a consistent run game to complement him - Andy Reid never liked to run the ball in Philly, although McNabb became the scapegoat for all of their losses.

Well - McNabb isn't in Philly anymore, but Reid still continues to mis-use timeouts, have poor ST play, and apparently despite a new conditioning coach, the injuries are still mounting.
I'm damn glad we won, but sheesh, McNabb needs to pick up his game some. I'm not doubting that he will, but I wasn't all that impressed with his first "real" game with the Skins.

[Ken]

Well, hell, if we're eliminating mistakes from the equation...

If Ifs and Buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be christmas!!!!!




- If we don't bobble that snap for the chip shot FG the Skins win no matter if there's a hold at the end or not...

if Beuhler hits his chip shot, it doesn't matter.


- If Rogers hangs on to the sure INT in the last minute of the game, the Skins win and Romo never even gets a chance to connect with Williams...
If Brooking hangs onto his, who knows what happens....


- If our punter doesn't shank that gawd-awful punt the Cowboys don't get the ball back on the Skins' 34 yard line and most likely do not end up with a TD on that drive...
He did though....ours didn't.


- If Barron doesn't hold, Orakpo most likely sacks Romo or at least rushes him to throw before Williams had a chance to get open...
Probably but I have seen Romo wiggle out of too many sacks to say that with certainty.

If we kneel on the ball before the half or choice doesn't pull a boneheaded move, it is a much different game.

If our starting Oline was in the game it would have been a different game.



There are a bunch more but the fact is, it is what it is. I thought it was a fun game, hopefully we can get a w when it comes back to Dallas.

[Califan007]

...bunch o' stuff...

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point, but I can't stand hearing "If Barron doesn't hold/lets Barber chip Orakpo, Cowboys win" lol :ols:...like that was THE only mistake or miscue that effected the outcome.

[Ken]

Ken, your credibility is totally shot

Feeling comfortable with Alex Barron

:ols:

:ols:

Please, just leave and never come back

Whatever. Let me clarify that I was "comfortable" with him as a backup and for a game like this if need be. Not over the long haul. I have changed my analysis to say cut him immediately.

At least I can admit when i'm wrong, maybe you should try it sometime.

[dsciambi]

Until Dallas gets rid of Garrett, they'll continue to play below their talent level. I can't believe some of his playcalling. At one point, he called two gadget plays within a minute of each other. What was the point of that? Neither play worked, and at the time, the run was just finally getting some traction. In fact, the run worked well all game. This isn't the first time I've seen Garrett abandon the run, either. Cowgirls would've won this game if they ran the ball, up the gut. The Redskins were incredibly soft there. I mean, most of the time we didn't even have a DL in the middle; it was either completely empty or a LB.

[Ken]

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point, but I can't stand hearing "If Barron doesn't hold/lets Barber chip Orakpo, Cowboys win" lol :ols:...like that was THE only mistake or miscue that effected the outcome.

Nope, there were a litany of them.

I agree, but in spite of all that, it did come down to the last play and it was a crazy play to say the least.

Barron was putrid, no two ways about it. Normally i would be crying like a little girl about that call but he was beyond horrid the whole game.

[ArmchairRedskin]

You're kind of stuck with Barron right now though, aren't you? How long till Colombo is back?

[Ken]

You're kind of stuck with Barron right now though, aren't you? How long till Colombo is back?

Well, he and Kosier are SUPPOSED to practice this week......according to Wade. They were supposed to practice this past week so take it for what its worth....

[SkinsHokieFan]

You're kind of stuck with Barron right now though, aren't you? How long till Colombo is back?

Despite Ken's assertions the last few weeks, that o-line is not going to be fine. Its a complete disaster and hindered the hell out of the 'Girls offense.

A team as stupid as we saw tonight play the Redskins is not a Superbowl contender. Poorly coached, dumb and terrible o-line doesn't get you a Lombardi

[ArmchairRedskin]

I think you may make it through the Bears game ok if it comes down to it, but you'll definitely need all the help you can get against the Texans. They were getting to Peyton all day long today. Probably more of the quick hits and screens like tonite, except the Texans can lay points on you in a hurry if you're not careful.

[Hiro]

Really good game. One that could have seriously gone either way. Another great chapter in our rivalry. :)

[tr1]

Despite Ken's assertions the last few weeks, that o-line is not going to be fine. Its a complete disaster and hindered the hell out of the 'Girls offense.

A team as stupid as we saw tonight play the Redskins is not a Superbowl contender. Poorly coached, dumb and terrible o-line doesn't get you a Lombardi

And, Romo was playing scared most of the game. I can't tell you how many times he threw early to avoid a hit.

[chaos]

A team as stupid as we saw tonight play the Redskins is not a Superbowl contender. Poorly coached, dumb and terrible o-line doesn't get you a Lombardi

I swear i can't recall a stupider team than the 2010 dallas cowboys so far. They've always lacked the will and heart, but now the brains too :D

[Ken]

Despite Ken's assertions the last few weeks, that o-line is not going to be fine. Its a complete disaster and hindered the hell out of the 'Girls offense.

A team as stupid as we saw tonight play the Redskins is not a Superbowl contender. Poorly coached, dumb and terrible o-line doesn't get you a Lombardi

Sorry, The rest of the line played well. Gurode and Davis were cracking heads in there and Holland played Fine as well as Free. We are getting our two leaders on the line back, think what you want, i know i'm right about this. I didn't know Barron enough, now I've seen enough. I know the Cowboys line and Gurode and Davis were the most encouraging.

[MrSilverMaC]

I'm relieved but not thrilled.

That pretty much sums it up for me. There were a lot of things I felt the Skins missed on. And dallas killed themselves with penalties (mainly barron) all night.

[Ken]

And, Romo was playing scared most of the game. I can't tell you how many times he threw early to avoid a hit.

So did McNabb. Should have been an intentional grounding on one of them...

[Birdlives]

:doh:
I think you may make it through the Bears game ok if it comes down to it, but you'll definitely need all the help you can get against the Texans. They were getting to Peyton all day long today. Probably more of the quick hits and screens like tonite, except the Texans can lay points on you in a hurry if you're not careful.

And we play them next week. :doh:

[tr1]

Sorry, The rest of the line played well. Gurode and Davis were cracking heads in there and Holland played Fine as well as Free. We are getting our two leaders on the line back, think what you want, i know i'm right about this. I didn't know Barron enough, now I've seen enough. I know the Cowboys line and Gurode and Davis were the most encouraging.

Ken, your offense scored seven points. That has a lot to do with line play.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Sorry, The rest of the line played well. Gurode and Davis were cracking heads in there and Holland played Fine as well as Free. We are getting our two leaders on the line back, think what you want, i know i'm right about this. I didn't know Barron enough, now I've seen enough. I know the Cowboys line and Gurode and Davis were the most encouraging.

Gurode just mails it in 5-6 games a year. Davis is slow. Columbo is done.

With that o-line the 'Girls are going to be throwing 3 yard screens to Dez Bryant all season. And it doesn't help how dumb the team is in general

[tr1]

:doh:

And we play them next week. :doh:

Yes, but we have a guy very, very familiar with their offense.

I suspect he'll be talking to our defense.

[tr1]

So did McNabb. Should have been an intentional grounding on one of them...

Yeah, but no one is picking McNabb to go to the SB.

Just sayin'

[Ken]

Gurode just mails it in 5-6 games a year. Davis is slow. Columbo is done.

With that o-line the 'Girls are going to be throwing 3 yard screens to Dez Bryant all season. And it doesn't help how dumb the team is in general

Feeling pretty puffy chested tonight huh? If our line is as bad as you say, what does that make your front 7? 1 sack on 47 attempts?

Seriously, this oline thing will go away when we get our starter back. How would the Skins do with the LG and RT out?

[PokerPacker]

My favorite part of the game was that it was decided by the Cowboys decision to go for it at the end of the 1st half.

[Ken]

Ken, your offense scored seven points. That has a lot to do with line play.

Key penalties and bad play calling had a lot to do with it as well.

Obviously our line isn't what it will be but not NEARLY as bad as you and sir puffy chest are making it out to be. Barron cost us, period.

[chaos]

Feeling pretty puffy chested tonight huh? If our line is as bad as you say, what does that make your front 7? 1 sack on 47 attempts?


Feeling pretty bitter tonight eh? How many sack-saving holds did your line have again?

[Birdlives]

Sorry, The rest of the line played well. Gurode and Davis were cracking heads in there and Holland played Fine as well as Free. We are getting our two leaders on the line back, think what you want, i know i'm right about this. I didn't know Barron enough, now I've seen enough. I know the Cowboys line and Gurode and Davis were the most encouraging.

No they didn't The cowboys spent a huge chunk of that game giving their line the best help possible and it was meant to keep Romo alive. It succeeded; barely. Also cost them the game in the end.

[NoCalMike]

I'd probably be mad about the hold too, but lets be real, Orakpo was about to flatten Romo. If you look at the rear-side camera angle, Orakpo had completely gone around Barren, Barber had already taken off. By the time Romo is stumbling by, Barren had already given Orakpo the rear-naked choke.

If Orakpo isn't held, Romo is on the grass before he ever has the chance to stumble out of the pocket, which is the reason the defender came off Williams cause he probably thought Romo was going to try and run it in himself.

It is kind of like the dilemma of a cornerback who is beaten badly. Do you let the WR run by and catch an easy TD pass, or do you give an obvious PI and take your chances at the 1 yd line?

[Spartacus87]

Feeling pretty puffy chested tonight huh? If our line is as bad as you say, what does that make your front 7? 1 sack on 47 attempts?

Seriously, this oline thing will go away when we get our starter back. How would the Skins do with the LG and RT out?
One sack in the stats but a lot more pressures I'd be willing to bet.

And without all the holding going on, who knows how many sacks they would have really had?

The Cowboys have an excellent defense and very good skill position players.

But you're kidding yourself if you think this is a playoff caliber o-line you guys have. It's like Redskins fans claiming the same thing in 2008 when the cracks were starting to show all over the place but people kept pointing to the OL's past individual accomplishments.

Keep telling yourself Colombo is going to save you guys.

[Ken]

Feeling pretty bitter tonight eh? How many sack-saving holds did your line have again?

Probably as many as yours. You did have a bunch now...

[Birdlives]

Key penalties and bad play calling had a lot to do with it as well.

Obviously our line isn't what it will be but not NEARLY as bad as you and sir puffy chest are making it out to be. Barron cost us, period.

You're damn lucky you didn't take that bet with me. Because you would have lost, hands down.

[Ken]

One sack in the stats but a lot more pressures I'd be willing to bet.

And without all the holding going on, who knows how many sacks they would have really had?

The Cowboys have an excellent defense and very good skill position players.

But you're kidding yourself if you think this is a playoff caliber o-line you guys have. It's like Redskins fans claiming the same thing in 2008 when the cracks were starting to show all over the place but people kept pointing to the OL's past individual accomplishments.

Keep telling yourself Colombo is going to save you guys.

Kosier may be our most consistent lineman....so not sure why you are thinking this line is the finished product. Free is the only question mark coming in and he played very good.

[Ken]

You're damn lucky you didn't take that bet with me. Because you would have lost, hands down.

Which bet?


EDIT:

I did take that bet, go look at that post. I'm fine moving forward with it.

[braindx]

oops wrong thread

[Spartacus87]

Kosier may be our most consistent lineman....so not sure why you are thinking this line is the finished product. Free is the only question mark coming in and he played very good.
Yes. Kyle Kosier will fix things.

I think you're dramatically overrating Andre Gurode in his pass protection abilities, Free didn't look like anything too special tonight (but obviously, he looked decent enough when he has Barron lined up across from him), and Colombo isn't elite by any means either.

Like I said. You sound like Redskins fans in 2008 talking about how they just need this guy or that guy to come back healthy, gel a little bit, and everything will be fine again.

While everyone else who watches you guys talks about how shaky your o-line and the depth behind it looks.

[Birdlives]

Which bet?


EDIT:

I did take that bet, go look at that post. I'm fine moving forward with it.

No, you never finalized the bet. I was still waiting for your response.

Now we're one game in. The bets off and its thanks to you. I spent more than a month trying to get you to commit.

You mouthed off and didn't want to back it up. Now the seasons started, bets aren't made then. Especially by someone who's clearly a flake.

[Califan007]

And, Romo was playing scared most of the game. I can't tell you how many times he threw early to avoid a hit.
He sure as hell looked it, didn't he? lol...I think Garrett was playcalling a bit scared as well at times.

[Ken]

No, you never finalized the bet. I was still waiting for your response.

Now we're one game in. The bets off and its thanks to you. I spent more than a month trying to get you to commit.

You mouthed off and didn't want to back it up. Now the seasons started, bets aren't made then. Especially by someone who's clearly a flake.

Why are you being an ass? I accepted the damn bet. The starters who started tonight plus Byant, Kosier, and Columbo.

Heck, I don't even need the injury requirement.

I accepted the damn bet and I get this horsecrap response from you?

I don't sit around here waiting to finalize bets typically, you are aren't that important to me, believe it or not.

You want to do it, I'm in. The full season is fine with me for displaying the sig.


Unless your chicken?

[HailGreen28]

Damn....I gotta give it up, you guys called it...BARRON IS TRASH! OMG!

I really can't believe that just happened.

Well, you guys look like a solid club that is going to stick around all year...no doubt about it...The Eagles are the worst in the Division.

Until we play next time.....in Dallas.Good game to you. I don't look forward to playing you guys again this year, if you get your stuff together. This was definitely a case of the team with the fewest mistakes winning tonight.

Still.... our next matchup will be in December.......:evilg: Tonight... the texans/colts game earlier.... anything can happen.



edit:texans-titans why do i get them mixed up?

[Beans]

Suck it Cowboy fans. Suck it long. Suck it hard.

[Skins4SB]

The result was deserved. Sure, the Boys shot themselves in the foot, but so did we. Bidwell gifted you great field position for your only score of the game. We are still trying to install a new offense and a new defensive scheme with a QB that has missed valuable practice time. Beating a team that is touted to compete in for NFC supremacy is a big feat given those conditions.

[Tweedr01]

Ehhhh...maybe. Barber was right behind Barron. If we had one of our young takles starting, we win. they are both better than Barron.

The Cowboys dropped picks too. It happens. The throw to Austin in a crowd was a terrible decision by Romo. The other was a missed hot read by Bryant.


Not going to nit pick the game there was a bunch of stuff on both sides that could have would have.....

No really, there's only stuff on one side that is could have would have....that's your side, we don't have any of that because we won, ain't woulda coulda shoulda, there's just getting it done.

[thesubmittedone]

Ken: Hey guys, GOOD GAME!

Ken 4 pages into the thread: Cowboys are awesome, you guys suck!

:ols:

Stop trying to hide it man. I particularly enjoyed your response to Califan when he owned you with all the "ifs" we could use (there's more as well he didn't mention). You answered stupidly to all of them except the FG one, but one in particular stood out where you answered "But he didn't, we did" about our punter botching the snap. You could say that about every single "if", lol! You're one silly Cowgirl fan, my man. ;)

[thesubmittedone]

Feeling pretty puffy chested tonight huh? If our line is as bad as you say, what does that make your front 7? 1 sack on 47 attempts?

Seriously, this oline thing will go away when we get our starter back. How would the Skins do with the LG and RT out?

I know it's hard for you to comprehend the mere possibility of being without starters for long, but yeah, we've been dealing with that for years now. We've made the playoffs in 05 and 07 without healthy Olines, lol. You need to stop trying to use that excuse, especially not with Skins fans. We were never allowed to point at the plague we've suffered with injuries to our Oline while you and the Giants had a stroke of fortune for the last few years there. You guys were all excited when you took it to Philly twice in a row to end the season last year, did you accept the notion that their Oline was riddled with injuries and that was the biggest reason why?

Sorry, Linemen get injured. I know that's difficult for you.

Why am I responding to you? :doh:

[Santana_Fan]

I can't believe how wide open Roy was, if Barron had let Barber help with a chip game over.

It should have been 17-0 to begin with. I can't believe we ran the same play and threw to the same person, only to end up with the same results. Cooley was wide open both times. Since we're at the "what if" game, IF Carlos Rogers had hands to intercept the ball, that last little shot at the endzone wouldn't have ever happened for the Cowboys to begin with. Also Landry had a shot at an interception. "What if" though right?

[Santana_Fan]

Feeling pretty puffy chested tonight huh? If our line is as bad as you say, what does that make your front 7? 1 sack on 47 attempts?

Seriously, this oline thing will go away when we get our starter back. How would the Skins do with the LG and RT out?

Hard to tell how many sacks we could have had, considering that your line was holding.

[Titaw]

Shocker! There are only a select few Cowboys fans here with class! I respect those who come here AFTER a loss and take their lumps.

[GreenRiggins]

Too funny at the end, actually seriously the last play almost gave me a heart attack but anyway I don't rub in wins like some...

Advice: Dump Barron

[illone]

Anyone who thinks the Cowboys lost the game wasn't watching the same game I was.

Skins had their share of mistakes as well. Botched snap and two dropped TDs by Armstrong:doh:

Any decent team would have put the Cowboys away before the 4th quarter even started.

Regardless was a instant classic.

[zoony]

Ken: Hey guys, GOOD GAME!

Ken 4 pages into the thread: Cowboys are awesome, you guys suck!

:ols:


Typical Ken. He's a woman.

[Ken]

Typical Ken. He's a woman.

More like, typical Skins fans....blaming the officiating and "ifs".

I really didn't want to respond that way, but I had no choice. Forget the fact that Califan and I basically agreed a few posts later it was silly to discuss it.....

[Tweedr01]

More like, typical Skins fans....blaming the officiating and "ifs".

I really didn't want to respond that way, but I had no choice. Forget the fact that Califan and I basically agreed a few posts later it was silly to discuss it.....

lol...what?! this is by far the stupidest thing I have seen you post, I'm sure there is stupider, but this I haven't seen it.

[Riggo#44]

More like, typical Skins fans....blaming the officiating and "ifs".

I really didn't want to respond that way, but I had no choice. Forget the fact that Califan and I basically agreed a few posts later it was silly to discuss it.....

Well that didn't last very long, did it?

You had no choice? So it's everyone else's fault you're being an ass?

[Chachie]

Ken manned up, guys. Some of us don't want to be very gracious winners here and I'm sure he got tired of being a gracious loser because of it.

[penasquito]

Congrats to the Skins. It wasn't pretty, but it beats losing.

You guys were right about Barron. And Haslett had the sense to put Orakpo on that side when it counted. And the mistakes the Cowboys made last night are the kind of stuff you're supposed to figure out in preseason, but the Cowboys never did. I blame Wade Phillips, and only Wade Phillips, for this loss. If he was an actual Head Coach instead of a DC and a yes man, he would know how to get a team ready for the season in August, not wait until September.

And I'm glad we went long on O lineman when we cut the roster, because I don't think Barron is going to stick around much longer.

[Ken]

Ken manned up, guys. Some of us don't want to be very gracious winners here and I'm sure he got tired of being a gracious loser because of it.

thank you sir, this is it in a nutshell.

Again, even Cali and I were able to work it out. Don't understand why others are attacking me for trying to be gracious after a TOUGH loss..

[MisterPinstripe]

thank you sir, this is it in a nutshell.

Again, even Cali and I were able to work it out. Don't understand why others are attacking me for trying to be gracious after a TOUGH loss..

Its probably because of how cocky and overbearing Cowboys fans were going into this game, as well as how much trash they talked.

I honestly didnt expect you to be back myself, I respect that. And it wasnt just 1 post and gone.

[AmishGangsta]

When you are on the losing side of a game, you notice all of the calls that weren't made.

Most of the time you don't notice the ones that go your way or the ones missed from the other teams perspective.

Anyone remember the late hit called on London?

How about the illegal shift called on Cooley - what, did he look at one of the officials the wrong way?

If I remember correctly, didn't that call basically kill our whole drive?

I felt like all the BAD calls were made against us (after re-watching the game).

Can't blame the refs for calling legit holding penalties. The Cowboys were holding all day long, they just happened to catch that one.

[MattFancy]

Sloppy game on both sides, but a win is a win!

[Riggo#44]

Congrats to the Skins. It wasn't pretty, but it beats losing.

You guys were right about Barron. And Haslett had the sense to put Orakpo on that side when it counted. And the mistakes the Cowboys made last night are the kind of stuff you're supposed to figure out in preseason, but the Cowboys never did. I blame Wade Phillips, and only Wade Phillips, for this loss. If he was an actual Head Coach instead of a DC and a yes man, he would know how to get a team ready for the season in August, not wait until September.

And I'm glad we went long on O lineman when we cut the roster, because I don't think Barron is going to stick around much longer.

I'd be shocked if he was any higher than a 3rd stringer next week.

I was impressed as hell with Orakpo in this game. In addition to getting held 3x in 31 mins by Barron -- he also literally shoved Doug Free out of his way...

Things are better than they were last season, but in no way are they all the way back yet. I fully expect to be 2-4 in a couple of weeks.

[MisterPinstripe]

Sloppy game on both sides, but a win is a win!
The question is, 2 great defenses, 2 sloppy offenses, or a combination. Next few weeks will tell us.

[AmishGangsta]

Rocky Mcintosh was held on a blitz as well.

I saw a lot of teams holding our linebackers in the preseason - they got away with it, with that same "rock bottom" like holding style.

I think the Cowboys watched the film of teams holding us - getting away with, and felt they could do it too. ;)

[MattFancy]

The question is, 2 great defenses, 2 sloppy offenses, or a combination. Next few weeks will tell us.

Could be a little of both. Our defense wasn't great, but made stops when they had to. Cowboys offense was sloppy in the preseason and it carried over. McNabb looked rusty, but that will change when he gets more reps with the WRs. But you're right, we'll see what happens next week.

[Mr. Jones]

I went into last night thinking that Dallas was the more talented team, and I still think that to some extent. What I know for a fact though is that they're a much stupider team. Between Barron's many holds and the dump off pass to Choice the game completely changed. Congratulations on the win, Dallas had no business winning that game as badly as they played.

[tr1]

anyway I don't rub in wins like some...

Advice: Dump Barron

Yeah, GreenRiggins, especially Skins' wins over the pukes, eh?

[tr1]

More like, typical Skins fans....blaming the officiating and "ifs".

I really didn't want to respond that way, but I had no choice.

Right. Sure.

Kenny, I'm sure you still feel you had the superior talent on the field last night, eh? Even with those worthless subs you guys started?

[tr1]

I went into last night thinking that Dallas was the more talented team...

Right...talent. Except individual talent in a team sport is sorta worthless...

You need to be concerned about Where...that head might fall off some day...it's becoming a chronic problem with him.

Oh, and did Spears play last night?

[tr1]

Ken manned up, guys. Some of us don't want to be very gracious winners here and I'm sure he got tired of being a gracious loser because of it.

It's not about graciousness.

Kenny can't hide the truth...he still thinks his team is superior to ours, though, it just couldn't win...for some unexplained cosmic reason as yet undisclosed.

[dallasfan]

Right...talent. Except individual talent in a team sport is sorta worthless...

You need to be concerned about Where...that head might fall off some day...it's becoming a chronic problem with him.

Oh, and did Spears play last night?

Spears did what he always does and stops the run (someone did think the skins would have almost 200 yards rushing)

[Ken]

Right. Sure.

Kenny, I'm sure you still feel you had the superior talent on the field last night, eh? Even with those worthless subs you guys started?

I don't think anyone with the ability to see can say the Cowboys are not the more talented team.

It is obvious but clearly talent didn't overcome stupidity and bad coaching.

[Ken]

It's not about graciousness.

Kenny can't hide the truth...he still thinks his team is superior to ours, though, it just couldn't win...for some unexplained cosmic reason as yet undisclosed.

Why wouldn't I think we were better? Just because we lost on the last play of the game on the Road doesn't mean anything other than you are 1-0 and we are 0-1.

Stop trying to make it out to be anything more than that.

[Monte51Coleman]

lol...what?! this is by far the stupidest thing I have seen you post, I'm sure there is stupider, but this I haven't seen it.

Not. Even. Close.

[bbailey423]

To All Skins fans who said Cowboy fans would disappear. I am here. To the victors go the spoils. Congratulations, you won. 15 more to go...we will add up in the end and see who is where.

[Ken]

Right...talent. Except individual talent in a team sport is sorta worthless...

You need to be concerned about Where...that head might fall off some day...it's becoming a chronic problem with him.

Oh, and did Spears play last night?
You are correct about ware....

You are incorrect about Spears....89 yards rushing tells me he played fine.

Hey, old argument....did you notice what Gurode did to Fat Albert? This is what I told you would happen last year except they kept him away from Gurode. I personally feel this is why he didn't want to play the nose because he knows Gurode would kill him..... :)

[Tweedr01]

Not. Even. Close.

lol I tried looking in the recent post history and found some gems, but it only goes back so far, I was so ready to post some past posts of his, hahaha

[Ken]

lol I tried looking in the recent post history and found some gems, but it only goes back so far, I was so ready to post some past posts of his, hahaha
Some "Gems" huh?

Please post these "gems" that you think I'm so off base on....

[SWFLSkins]

I can't believe how wide open Roy was, if Barron had let Barber help with a chip game over.

It's funny that Barron gets the majority of the blame for a last second attempt to win the game and a routine downing of the ball before the half is so overlooked. The loss for the Cowboys belongs squarely on the shoulders of Romo and Garrett/Wade for not downing the ball.

[MisterPinstripe]

It's funny that Barron gets the majority of the blame for a last second attempt to win the game and a routine downing of the ball before the half is so overlooked. The loss for the Cowboys belongs squarely on the shoulders of Romo and Garrett/Wade for not downing the ball.

I disagree. It belongs solely on the shoulders of our defense.

[Chachie]

This is not a shot at Ken but I tend to think the play at the end of the first half was Romo's fault completely. Garrett called the play but I'm sure Romo knows to take the sack or throw the ball away if there's nothing open. He (once again) tried to do too much when flustered. He set Choice up for failure.

On another note- Keep in mind, folks, that we won the first of two and least important of two games with Dallas this season. When we meet in Jerruhland, it could mean a heck of a lot more. Let's let Ken lick his wounds and move on to week 2. Some grace and dignity now might serve us well much later.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I think the lesson some of us learned is that

A. Preseason does mean something
B. The Cowboys can't just "flip the switch" offensively (second time we've been told they could and they ended up not being able to)
C. Not every backup on that roster will automatically be as good as their starters

Those of us that didn't learn these things are the ones that already knew them.

Feel free to add your own

[Ken]

This is not a shot at Ken but I tend to think the play at the end of the first half was Romo's fault completely. Garrett called the play but I'm sure Romo knows to take the sack or throw the ball away if there's nothing open. He (once again) tried to do too much when flustered. He set Choice up for failure.

On another note- Keep in mind, folks, that we won the first of two and least important of two games with Dallas this season. When we meet in Jerruhland, it could mean a heck of a lot more. Let's let Ken lick his wounds and move on to week 2. Some grace and dignity now might serve us well much later.
Very balanced and informative response.

I agree, Romo is not completely without blame. The shuffle pass, which looked to be a lateral, could have easily resulted in the same outcome if Choice doesn't handle it cleanly.

[Ken]

I think the lesson some of us learned is that

A. Preseason does mean something
B. The Cowboys can't just "flip the switch" offensively (second time we've been told they could and they ended up not being able to)
C. Not every backup on that roster will automatically be as good as their starters

Those of us that didn't learn these things are the ones that already knew them.

Feel free to add your own

So what carried over? The lack of scoring carried over from last year.

The knock on the preseason was we couldn't stop the run (we did), couldn't stop the pass (we did), couldn't run it (we did) and our backups would be mutilated. 1 out of 2 for the backups is correct. Holland played very well....couldn't overcome the boneheadedness of Barron though..

So it is not a carry over at all...it was a much different team than the one that played in the preseason.

[ArmchairRedskin]

So what carried over? The lack of scoring carried over from last year.

The knock on the preseason was we couldn't stop the run (we did), couldn't stop the pass (we did), couldn't run it (we did) and our backups would be mutilated. 1 out of 2 for the backups is correct. Holland played very well....couldn't overcome the boneheadedness of Barron though..

So it is not a carry over at all...it was a much different team than the one that played in the preseason.



What did we say here all preseason? That your Oline wouldn't hold up and that you couldn't score points. What happened last night? Your Oline didn't hold up and you couldnt score points.

I think it's crystal clear

[Ken]

What did we say here all preseason? That your Oline wouldn't hold up and that you couldn't score points. What happened last night? Your Oline didn't hold up and you couldnt score points.

I think it's crystal clear

It had more to do with Penalties than anything else. We moved the ball and had to constantly overcome our penalties. I don't remember that being a talking point during the preseason......

1 sack and rushing for 4.7 ypc and almost 400 yards of offense doesn't happen with a bad offensive line.

[Roger.Staubach]

While the ending sucked for us, I do have to say that the game was enjoyable. I had my first experience with upper, upper level seats and was pleasantly surprised to find that they afforded a decent view. The fans around me were spirited and polite.

Aside from our O-line sucking and our late first half play calling, the worst part of the game day experience was the traffic bottleneck on the way out. What a disaster it is to exit that stadium.

congrats, Skins fans. Your team earned it.

[SWFLSkins]

While the ending sucked for us, I do have to say that the game was enjoyable. I had my first experience with upper, upper level seats and was pleasantly surprised to find that they afforded a decent view. The fans around me were spirited and polite.

Aside from our O-line sucking and our late first half play calling, the worst part of the game day experience was the traffic bottleneck on the way out. What a disaster it is to exit that stadium.

congrats, Skins fans. Your team earned it.

That's good to hear Roger. Glad you could enjoy yourself amongst the opposing fans even in a loss.

[Morneblade]

It had more to do with Penalties than anything else. We moved the ball and had to constantly overcome our penalties. I don't remember that being a talking point during the preseason......

1 sack and rushing for 4.7 ypc and almost 400 yards of offense doesn't happen with a bad offensive line.

No, but it can happen with a one-dimentional Offensive line. There was also alot of holds that were not called, there could and should have been more pressures and sacks. And Romo is as good as anyone in avoiding pressure in the pocket. But it also shows a weakness in the Redskins Defense that has been a problem all pre-season, stopping the run. We couldnt do in there and we got gashed pretty well by a very good running football team in the Cowboys.

Both teams have some work to do. Dallas is going to have to realize that with the OL they have now, they are going to have problems. Washington is going to have to find a way to be better against the run. Dallas has the unfortunate problem of in my opinion being poorly coached from a HC standpoint (something we know something about over here) and it looks like our offense is going to have some growing pains as well. Dallas is a good team and I think will improve, but the coaching aspect is one that I think is going to continue to hamper them. Phillips is a great DC, but not so much as a HC.

[Ken]

No, but it can happen with a one-dimentional Offensive line. There was also alot of holds that were not called, there could and should have been more pressures and sacks. And Romo is as good as anyone in avoiding pressure in the pocket. But it also shows a weakness in the Redskins Defense that has been a problem all pre-season, stopping the run. We couldnt do in there and we got gashed pretty well by a very good running football team in the Cowboys.
I don't dispute that Dallas got away with some holds and that Romo/Offensive strategy played into the lack of pressures and sacks. The same could be said for the Redskins as well. They got away with holds and McNabb is VERY frustrating to try and sack. That is part of what makes him good though.

You could literally call holding on every play in the NFL, everyone knows that. When I said I wasn't worried about our OL, it was because I knew there were things we could do to mitigate the problem. I knew that Holland would be fine and we could help out Barron with chips, quick plays, and a TE. You can mask it for a game or two. What I didn't anticipate was just how horrid Barron was with his holding. I have never seen someone hold like the way he holds. There is no hiding it.


Both teams have some work to do. Dallas is going to have to realize that with the OL they have now, they are going to have problems. Washington is going to have to find a way to be better against the run. Dallas has the unfortunate problem of in my opinion being poorly coached from a HC standpoint (something we know something about over here) and it looks like our offense is going to have some growing pains as well. Dallas is a good team and I think will improve, but the coaching aspect is one that I think is going to continue to hamper them. Phillips is a great DC, but not so much as a HC.
I don't disagree with this. I will say that there is a difference between not have a very good HC and having two very good coordinators on either side of the ball. In essence they are running autonomously. One of the problems with Washington was that Zorn wasn't good at either.
Whether or not the Cowboys will win the ultimate prize in this setup is the question. I know in 1995 the Cowboys became the first team in the NFL to win a Super Bowl without having a head coach, so ..... :) I just hate Switzer, he brought nothing to the table.

[doncherry]

Hey Skins Fans,
congrats on a well earned (and what must be an incredibly satisfying) win. I didn't post last night simply because I was just too upset. Like many early season games, this game featured a lot of mistakes. However, I also think that it offered a lot of insight into each team, and confirmed what many people have speculated. Firstly, your defense, and Orakpo in particular, is quite stout. Landry was flying around the ball and I felt that he played very well. I was surprised by McNabb's mobility. In terms of Dallas, our D is also quite good, and our secondary showed me something last night. Our o-line, well, not much needs to be said, they are clearly Dallas' achilles heel.

When all is said and done, I am confident that the Cowboys will be in the thick of things. I think that the Skins will be right there with them.

[Birdlives]

Why are you being an ass? I accepted the damn bet. The starters who started tonight plus Byant, Kosier, and Columbo.

Heck, I don't even need the injury requirement.

I accepted the damn bet and I get this horsecrap response from you?

I don't sit around here waiting to finalize bets typically, you are aren't that important to me, believe it or not.

You want to do it, I'm in. The full season is fine with me for displaying the sig.


Unless your chicken?


You flaked, plain and simple. No one expects you to "sit around finalizing a bet". You made a statement which you then amended and when a bet was offered you disappeared.

We went back and forth and I literally had to hound you. Now you still want to change the terms around to your advantage.

I posted that we needed to finalize the 11 players for the starting team and you vanished. You'll clearly welch and there's no point in making the bet.

We'll see at the end of the year who was right. If I'm wrong, I'll stand up and admit it. Based on your behaviour so far I doubt you'll do the same.

Back on topic, your team clearly has more than a few issues with line play that won't be solved by the return of Columbo and Kosier. They need to run the ball far more than they did in this game. It amazes me how year in and year out the simplest solution to their problems continues to be ignored.

[Spartacus87]

In terms of Dallas, our D is also quite good, and our secondary showed me something last night. Our o-line, well, not much needs to be said, they are clearly Dallas' achilles heel.
But Ken says that the Cowboys o-line will be just fine once Colombo and Kosier come back.

Total lack of depth and declining starters isn't an issue for Dallas. It's just the media, every objective football fan who's seen Dallas play lately, and some clearly incorrect Dallas fans pushing that myth.

[SWFLSkins]

Back on topic, your team clearly has more than a few issues with line play that won't be solved by the return of Columbo and Kosier. They need to run the ball far more than they did in this game. It amazes me how year in and year out the simplest solution to their problems continues to be ignored.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

Solution, Wade is fired, Jones backs off, huh sounds familiar. The problem with the Cowboys starts at the top. I said it all week and I'll say it again Shannahan>>>Wade, Shannahan>>>Garrett, and when the disparity in talent is closed that difference will really start to show. Shannahan did a Buddy Ryan, he took his'n and beat your'n and he could have taken your'n and beat his'n. The two biggest plays that changed the game was on the coaches. Well Romo could have kneeled at the half, but hate to tell you Cowboy fans, it is his MO to screw up at crucial times. I think your team is loaded with talent but the game managers really screwed them last night. The Cowboys could have won that game easily IMO. The Redskins D kept them in the game, but the Offense basically did not do much, let alone enough to win. How in the world though do you not chip Brian Orapko against Barron is beyond me and I don't get paid to make that call. I actually felt bad for Barron after the call, you know he is taking that hard, but it was the idiot coach that should be too blame.

[TotalRecall]

You guys need to shop around for some O-linemen.

The eagles are the worst with Kolb as the QB. With Vick, I think they can be dangerous (at least, upset worthy).

[thesubmittedone]

I posted this in another thread... I think it deserves a nice warm spot here, lol.


It's not Alex Barron's fault. I totally understand where the Cowboy fans are coming from.

You see, when you're a Cowboy Linemen, you're supposed to be allowed to hold on offense and jump snaps on defense early (see Cowboys Oline every game, ~70% of Ware's sacks when lined up against Samuels). I'm sure Alex Barron was told the refs wouldn't flag him for it, especially when the game is in jeopardy. Poor him, he got lied to. I feel bad for Cowboy fans, they're not used to getting those type of calls... they're supposed to be allowed to cheat. Totally unfair.

:ols: You know what's sad? What I just said is closest to the truth, although the sarcasm is heavy there is plenty of evidence that Cowboy players garner ref sympathy, and it's understandable. The refs watch TV just like all of us and are constantly brain washed with Cowgirl propaganda. How can you not end up rooting for them, or at the very least thinking they're super talented, if you're just an average sports fan who digests even the tiniest bit of the mainstream sports media?

[pjfootballer]

While the ending sucked for us, I do have to say that the game was enjoyable. I had my first experience with upper, upper level seats and was pleasantly surprised to find that they afforded a decent view. The fans around me were spirited and polite.

Aside from our O-line sucking and our late first half play calling, the worst part of the game day experience was the traffic bottleneck on the way out. What a disaster it is to exit that stadium.

congrats, Skins fans. Your team earned it.

I was in Section 445. I was in the endzone where the last play went down. I never saw who caught the TD because of the fans jumping up, but my heart sank for about 3 seconds until I saw the flag. I knew the game was over.

It took us 2 hours to get out of there and we got back to our hotel at 2 am in Waldorf. I'm so freaking tired tonight.

Ken, thanks for the props. Both teams stunk. Like Joe Theismann said about the 1983 NFC title game, the team that blinked lost. You guys blinked again last night (penalties and the crucial turnover).

[thesubmittedone]

thank you sir, this is it in a nutshell.

Again, even Cali and I were able to work it out. Don't understand why others are attacking me for trying to be gracious after a TOUGH loss..

Dude, you're being totally dishonest now. YOU brought up the "ifs". How the heck were you "forced to respond" when in fact Califan responded to your bs of bringing up "ifs"? Furthermore, how is it "Silly Redskins fans blaming officiating and 'ifs' " when we won, lol? You're making absolutely no sense, and to the poster with (I'm sure) good intentions saying Ken was gracious, no he wasn't. He was the first post and maybe into the first couple pages, but then he just couldn't help himself and started hinting and implying the game was given to us. That's disrespect, not graciousness.

[thesubmittedone]

Why wouldn't I think we were better? Just because we lost on the last play of the game on the Road doesn't mean anything other than you are 1-0 and we are 0-1.

Stop trying to make it out to be anything more than that.

Logic 101:

IF 1-0 > 0-1
AND Redskins = 1-0, Cowboys = 0-1
Then Redskins > Cowboys

Yeah, we're better and our talent did more than yours, at least for now. Correct? :)

[thesubmittedone]

While the ending sucked for us, I do have to say that the game was enjoyable. I had my first experience with upper, upper level seats and was pleasantly surprised to find that they afforded a decent view. The fans around me were spirited and polite.

Aside from our O-line sucking and our late first half play calling, the worst part of the game day experience was the traffic bottleneck on the way out. What a disaster it is to exit that stadium.

congrats, Skins fans. Your team earned it.

Thanks Roger, that's very gracious of you. :)

[Ken]

You flaked, plain and simple. No one expects you to "sit around finalizing a bet". You made a statement which you then amended and when a bet was offered you disappeared.

I didn't 'flake', you offered and I'med and I responded with parameters. I argued a few and accepted a few. You argued further and I accepted most of the parameters. You then posted another post after I accepted just about everything without listing players. You then posted again and I never saw it until last night after you called me on it. I then said get rid of the injury thing all together and lets go ahead with it. You sit here and say I disappeared....whatever. I have a wife and 4 kids and a full time job that requires quite a bit of travel. I had a few conferences to attend in the last few weeks and you caught me during it. As much alcohol as I consumed during this time, you would understand that I wasn't sitting here waiting for you to post additional parameters. I forgot...plain and simple.

You are painting me to be the biggest piece of crap ever and I couldn't be further from that.


We went back and forth and I literally had to hound you. Now you still want to change the terms around to your advantage.
You I'med once and I responded to the thread. You then posted a few more times while I didn't even notice. I just posted that I would drop the injury requirement after already agreeing to your more stringent judge of offense.

I have not done anything to change this to my advantage and agreed to everything you wanted. Period.


I posted that we needed to finalize the 11 players for the starting team and you vanished. You'll clearly welch and there's no point in making the bet.

Again, don't make it like I completely disappeared....just didn't finalize it completely. Nothing that happened last night gave either of us an advantage other than the Cowboys offense is currently #3 in the league yardage wise and toward the bottom scoring wise. You are just scared and trying to paint me as something I'm not.




We'll see at the end of the year who was right. If I'm wrong, I'll stand up and admit it. Based on your behaviour so far I doubt you'll do the same.
My behavior? I missed your last criterion for the bet and i explained why. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, see the latest example with Alex Barron.... I can assure you I have been on this board since its inception in 02 and prior to that was frequenting the mouth off boards. I'm not going anywhere.


Back on topic, your team clearly has more than a few issues with line play that won't be solved by the return of Columbo and Kosier. They need to run the ball far more than they did in this game. It amazes me how year in and year out the simplest solution to their problems continues to be ignored.
I agree! Felix jones needs about 15 carries a game, not 8. They need to pound the ball to set up the pass...I don't think jason garrett will ever learn this.

[Ken]

Dude, you're being totally dishonest now. YOU brought up the "ifs". How the heck were you "forced to respond" when in fact Califan responded to your bs of bringing up "ifs"? Furthermore, how is it "Silly Redskins fans blaming officiating and 'ifs' " when we won, lol? You're making absolutely no sense, and to the poster with (I'm sure) good intentions saying Ken was gracious, no he wasn't. He was the first post and maybe into the first couple pages, but then he just couldn't help himself and started hinting and implying the game was given to us. That's disrespect, not graciousness.

go look at post #34, that was the introduction of the 'ifs'.

[tr1]

go look at post #34, that was the introduction of the 'ifs'.

We understand, Kenny.

First there's denial.

Second, comes anger.

And, you need to look forward to step three...acceptance.

:ols:

[thesubmittedone]

go look at post #34, that was the introduction of the 'ifs'.

Oh, really?


Ehhhh...maybe. Barber was right behind Barron. If we had one of our young takles starting, we win. they are both better than Barron.

The Cowboys dropped picks too. It happens. The throw to Austin in a crowd was a terrible decision by Romo. The other was a missed hot read by Bryant.


Not going to nit pick the game there was a bunch of stuff on both sides that could have would have.....

Ken, that's post #28 and that's from you. Now, if I'm correct 28 < 34, therefore, you started all of it which makes my point valid and yours invalid. Too bad you had to resort to lying. You've got some nice quotes in your sig, but you're not doing them justice here. Heck, being a Cowgirl fan automatically does them injustice, lol!

[Tweedr01]

I didn't 'flake', you offered and I'med and I responded with parameters. I argued a few and accepted a few. You argued further and I accepted most of the parameters. You then posted another post after I accepted just about everything without listing players. You then posted again and I never saw it until last night after you called me on it. I then said get rid of the injury thing all together and lets go ahead with it. You sit here and say I disappeared....whatever. I have a wife and 4 kids and a full time job that requires quite a bit of travel. I had a few conferences to attend in the last few weeks and you caught me during it. As much alcohol as I consumed during this time, you would understand that I wasn't sitting here waiting for you to post additional parameters. I forgot...plain and simple.

You are painting me to be the biggest piece of crap ever and I couldn't be further from that.

Lol, you just make this too easy, and let's not be too hasty here, I'm sure there have been bigger pieces of crap, just not here.


You I'med once and I responded to the thread. You then posted a few more times while I didn't even notice. I just posted that I would drop the injury requirement after already agreeing to your more stringent judge of offense.

Excuses


I have not done anything to change this to my advantage and agreed to everything you wanted. Period.

Do you always put "Period." at the end of your statement to sound authoritative? You're on a redskins board, you might as well say "Sandwich."


Again, don't make it like I completely disappeared....just didn't finalize it completely. Nothing that happened last night gave either of us an advantage other than the Cowboys offense is currently #3 in the league yardage wise and toward the bottom scoring wise. You are just scared and trying to paint me as something I'm not.

You may not have disappeared, but you can't just accept your defeat without some backhanded compliments and excuses. You lost, at least royallpwned is owning up to it, you are in denial. And the only painting is you on why you got it handed to you Sunday night sport.



My behavior? I missed your last criterion for the bet and i explained why. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, see the latest example with Alex Barron.... I can assure you I have been on this board since its inception in 02 and prior to that was frequenting the mouth off boards. I'm not going anywhere.

Your behavior....is annoying.

Yes you do have problems admitting you are wrong...like the loss you took Sunday night.

Too bad for us, I don't think anyone would mind if you decided to not come back.


I agree! Felix jones needs about 15 carries a game, not 8. They need to pound the ball to set up the pass...I don't think jason garrett will ever learn this.

I may agree with this...but it's only because I have Felix Jones on my Fantasy team...not by choice mind you, auto pick league.

[Tweedr01]

Oh, really?



Ken, that's post #28 and that's from you. Now, if I'm correct 28 < 34, therefore, you started all of it which makes my point valid and yours invalid. Too bad you had to resort to lying. You've got some nice quotes in your sig, but you're not doing them justice here. Heck, being a Cowgirl fan automatically does them injustice, lol!

I approve of this

[Riggo#44]

I don't dispute that Dallas got away with some holds and that Romo/Offensive strategy played into the lack of pressures and sacks. The same could be said for the Redskins as well. They got away with holds and McNabb is VERY frustrating to try and sack. That is part of what makes him good though.

Yeah it definitely goes both way. Rabach got away with a few on Ratliff...


When I said I wasn't worried about our OL, it was because I knew there were things we could do to mitigate the problem. I knew that Holland would be fine and we could help out Barron with chips, quick plays, and a TE. You can mask it for a game or two. What I didn't anticipate was just how horrid Barron was with his holding. I have never seen someone hold like the way he holds. There is no hiding it.

This is what I was saying to someone last night: The Cowboys coaching staff did nothing to adjust for Orakpo being moved to Barron's side. The result: 3 holding calls in 31 mins. That's just about as good as 3 sacks. Orakpo abused Barron.


I just hate Switzer, he brought nothing to the table.

That we can agree on...

[pointyfootball]

I dislike the Cowboys as much as anybody, but to say that they're awful based on that game is a bit premature. Saying the Skins are good is even MORE premature. Cowboys lost based on one holding call of the last play of the game, on the road, without two of their starting Oline.

Let's face it, NFCEast looks horrible, and I say this as a fan of the team in desparate straits after just 1 game.

[Tweedr01]

Yeah, but I think NFC East always starts slow but we always finish at the top.

[brianm23]

Not sure if you've mentioned this at all in the past 10 pages, but couldn't you put much of the blame on Jason Garrett for his play calling? The Cowboys weren't having any issues running the ball on us, so why in the hell did Romo end up throwing 47 times? I thank god you guys have incompetent coaches on that team.

[thesubmittedone]

Not sure if you've mentioned this at all in the past 10 pages, but couldn't you put much of the blame on Jason Garrett for his play calling? The Cowboys weren't having any issues running the ball on us, so why in the hell did Romo end up throwing 47 times? I thank god you guys have incompetent coaches on that team.

Definitely stupidity on their part. That being said, I re-watched the game today and a lot of the reason it was easy for them to run against us was because we were selling out against the pass on a bunch of those runs. As soon as Haslett called a run defense, we blew up the gaps and attacked the LOS.

What I'm trying to say is if they ran the ball more, and forced us to stop it, we would have. They didn't though, so we kept blitzing expecting pass and it opened up some lanes when they decided to run. Go re-watch the game if you can, it's pretty obvious. :)

[penasquito]

Definitely stupidity on their part. That being said, I re-watched the game today and a lot of the reason it was easy for them to run against us was because we were selling out against the pass on a bunch of those runs. As soon as Haslett called a run defense, we blew up the gaps and attacked the LOS.

What I'm trying to say is if they ran the ball more, and forced us to stop it, we would have. They didn't though, so we kept blitzing expecting pass and it opened up some lanes when they decided to run. Go re-watch the game if you can, it's pretty obvious. :)
I agree with this. The Cowboys O was trying to take what the defense was giving them for the most part. The secondary was playing very deep most of the game, so you saw a lot of quick, short passes. When the 'Skins came out with that D with only one defensive lineman, the Cowboys handed off.

The only other thing that occurs to me is that if you told me one team would have 380 yards on offense, average 4.7 yards per carry, and their defense wouldn't give up a TD, I would have thought that team had a pretty good chance at winning. Us Cowboy fans just have to hope that the OL, penalties and stupid plays don't hound us all year.

[Tweedr01]

I agree with this. The Cowboys O was trying to take what the defense was giving them for the most part. The secondary was playing very deep most of the game, so you saw a lot of quick, short passes. When the 'Skins came out with that D with only one defensive lineman, the Cowboys handed off.

The only other thing that occurs to me is that if you told me one team would have 380 yards on offense, average 4.7 yards per carry, and their defense wouldn't give up a TD, I would have thought that team had a pretty good chance at winning. Us Cowboy fans just have to hope that the OL, penalties and stupid plays don't hound us all year.

The only other thing that occurs to me is that if you told me one team had an advantage in turnovers, kept the opponent to 1 TD off of a botched punt, and their defense got a TD, I would have thought that team had a pretty good chance at winning.

[MisterPinstripe]

I dislike the Cowboys as much as anybody, but to say that they're awful based on that game is a bit premature. Saying the Skins are good is even MORE premature. Cowboys lost based on one holding call of the last play of the game, on the road, without two of their starting Oline.

Let's face it, NFCEast looks horrible, and I say this as a fan of the team in desparate straits after just 1 game.

Or you could say the only reason that the Cowboys had a CHANCE to win the game was because the Redskins dropped a TD, as well as 2 easy interceptions. We gifted it to the Cowboys on a silver platter and they still couldnt pull it out.

[Ken]

Lol, you just make this too easy, and let's not be too hasty here, I'm sure there have been bigger pieces of crap, just not here.



Excuses



Do you always put "Period." at the end of your statement to sound authoritative? You're on a redskins board, you might as well say "Sandwich."



You may not have disappeared, but you can't just accept your defeat without some backhanded compliments and excuses. You lost, at least royallpwned is owning up to it, you are in denial. And the only painting is you on why you got it handed to you Sunday night sport.




Your behavior....is annoying.

Yes you do have problems admitting you are wrong...like the loss you took Sunday night.

Too bad for us, I don't think anyone would mind if you decided to not come back.



I may agree with this...but it's only because I have Felix Jones on my Fantasy team...not by choice mind you, auto pick league.

Well, the little respect as I had for you before this post, is now gone. Congrats!

Pathetic really...that bet is so in your favor and you are SCARED to do it.

I'm not doing it now though, you are not worth this kind of bet. I'lll just keep welching and not posting the first congratulatory thread on the board because I am in denial.....




EDIT:

My apologies Birdlives, i was confused! I didn't expect someone else to post on a one on one conversation.

[Ken]

Oh, really?



Ken, that's post #28 and that's from you. Now, if I'm correct 28 < 34, therefore, you started all of it which makes my point valid and yours invalid. Too bad you had to resort to lying. You've got some nice quotes in your sig, but you're not doing them justice here. Heck, being a Cowgirl fan automatically does them injustice, lol!

Last I checked, 'if' is the singular form and 'ifs' is the plural form, no? In addition, that 'if' came as a result of a revisionist post from tr1.

I'm lying though....you guys are amazing with this stuff.

[Tweedr01]

Well, the little respect as I had for you before this post, is now gone. Congrats!

Pathetic really...that bet is so in your favor and you are SCARED to do it.

I'm not doing it now though, you are not worth this kind of bet. I'lll just keep welching and not posting the first congratulatory thread on the board because I am in denial.....

Uh, you realize you and I, have no bet going on whatsoever. Do you know who is who? What bet do we have going on? The only reason I brought up any of that is because it is entertaining, and you are always wrong...because you are a puke fan.

[Ken]

Uh, you realize you and I, have no bet going on whatsoever. Do you know who is who? What bet do we have going on? The only reason I brought up any of that is because it is entertaining, and you are always wrong...because you are a puke fan.

HAHA...wow i was confused! Sorry about that, I just didn't realize someone else would jump into that one on one conversation. lol.

Sorry for the confusion but I should have known who it was based on the shallow vacuous responses!

[brianm23]

Like it or not, both teams have excuses to why they performed badly. For a cowboys fan to simply say the game would be different if X didn't happen, then we can say the same thing in regards to our team.

Redskins

1) Our WRs not drop passes that killed drives that potentially could have led to scoring points. (sellers, moss, armstrong, etc)

2) Carlos Rogers catches the game ending INT that happens to hit him square on the hands. (wrist actually)



Cowboys

1) If Cowboys had their two starting lineman, it's possible some of the crucial penalties could have been avoided.

2) If Jason Garrett calls a better game, the offense would have done better (running) and would have negated a defensive score by Redskins by simply taking a knee at half.

[thesubmittedone]

Last I checked, 'if' is the singular form and 'ifs' is the plural form, no? In addition, that 'if' came as a result of a revisionist post from tr1.

I'm lying though....you guys are amazing with this stuff.

Did you just make this about one "if" vs. multiple "ifs"? :ols:

I can't believe you would stoop that low.

Lol, the point remains you started the ifs, oh I'm sorry, I should say you started the IF.

Hmmm... maybe I should've said "you started the 'iffing' around", how does that sound for you? Better?

lol, I'm laughing but crying on the inside. How could you go there? All you had to do was accept being wrong there and you would've garnered yourself a ton of respect and instant credibility. Now, you're just a Cowgirl fan again.

[Tweedr01]

HAHA...wow i was confused! Sorry about that, I just didn't realize someone else would jump into that one on one conversation. lol.

Sorry for the confusion but I should have known who it was based on the shallow vacuous responses!

Wow, your a puke fan get used to it.


Did you just make this about one "if" vs. multiple "ifs"? :ols:

I can't believe you would stoop that low.

Lol, the point remains you started the ifs, oh I'm sorry, I should say you started the IF.

Hmmm... maybe I should've said "you started the 'iffing' around", how does that sound for you? Better?

lol, I'm laughing but crying on the outside. How could you go there? All you had to do was accept being wrong there and you would've garnered yourself a ton of respect and instant credibility. Now, you're just a Cowgirl fan again.

He's always been 'just a Cowgirl fan', don't fall for the act, this thread itself is based on a backhanded compliment.

[pjfootballer]

I dislike the Cowboys as much as anybody, but to say that they're awful based on that game is a bit premature. Saying the Skins are good is even MORE premature. Cowboys lost based on one holding call of the last play of the game, on the road, without two of their starting Oline.

Let's face it, NFCEast looks horrible, and I say this as a fan of the team in desparate straits after just 1 game.

We should have scored a TD on the opening drive of the 2nd half. We had a first and goal at the 5. Stupid playcalling with three consecutive passes and the same play on the last 2. Run the ball on first down, get 2, 2 and half yards and then on 2nd down it give you a run/pass option. Then to botch the FG attempt. It would have been 17-0 if we punch it in and I think the wind would have been taken out of Dallass sails at that point. We would have been able to tee off on Romo and that line on their next drive. But as Dennis Green said, "we let them off the hook."

[pointyfootball]

We should have scored a TD on the opening drive of the 2nd half. We had a first and goal at the 5. Stupid playcalling with three consecutive passes and the same play on the last 2. Run the ball on first down, get 2, 2 and half yards and then on 2nd down it give you a run/pass option. Then to botch the FG attempt. It would have been 17-0 if we punch it in and I think the wind would have been taken out of Dallass sails at that point. We would have been able to tee off on Romo and that line on their next drive. But as Dennis Green said, "we let them off the hook."

True, my point was to say that despite all that went wrong for the Cowboys during the game, they win it if not for a holding call (yes I know he would have been sacked). But you're right, bunch of other things could have gone differently. I still can't get over that they swung the ball out with 70 yards to do right before the half. I don't think I've ever seen that before. JG should turn his paycheck in.

[pjfootballer]

True, my point was to say that despite all that went wrong for the Cowboys during the game, they win it if not for a holding call (yes I know he would have been sacked). But you're right, bunch of other things could have gone differently. I still can't get over that they swung the ball out with 70 yards to do right before the half. I don't think I've ever seen that before. JG should turn his paycheck in.

Me either. Of course you can't predict he'd fumble it. But good for us. With a 1st and 20 on your own 40 and 4 seconds left, I would have kneeled on it and gone in to the half down 0-3. I was actually mad that we didn't decline the penalty, but I guess the staff knew they might not kneel on it and it would be a harder hail mary pass ten yards back. That's why they get paid to make those decisions and I had to buy a ticket. Now you guys whip their asses when you play them.

[Ken]

You flaked, plain and simple. No one expects you to "sit around finalizing a bet". You made a statement which you then amended and when a bet was offered you disappeared.

We went back and forth and I literally had to hound you. Now you still want to change the terms around to your advantage.

I posted that we needed to finalize the 11 players for the starting team and you vanished. You'll clearly welch and there's no point in making the bet.

We'll see at the end of the year who was right. If I'm wrong, I'll stand up and admit it. Based on your behaviour so far I doubt you'll do the same.

Back on topic, your team clearly has more than a few issues with line play that won't be solved by the return of Columbo and Kosier. They need to run the ball far more than they did in this game. It amazes me how year in and year out the simplest solution to their problems continues to be ignored.

Birdlives.....

I was right and you were wrong. The 'Bet', that I 'flaked' on (even though I agreed to it injuries and all) was that the Cowboys wouldn't finish in the top 10 in offensive ypg avg and ppg avg.

They finished #7 in both with a backup qb for about half the season and a 3rd stringer in the last game and a half.

I'll be waiting for you to admit that you were wrong...

[Texasaurus]

Birdlives.....

I was right and you were wrong. The 'Bet', that I 'flaked' on (even though I agreed to it injuries and all) was that the Cowboys wouldn't finish in the top 10 in offensive ypg avg and ppg avg.

They finished #7 in both with a backup qb for about half the season and a 3rd stringer in the last game and a half.

I'll be waiting for you to admit that you were wrong...

Yet they could do no better than a 6-10 record real accomplishment there

[Boss_Hogg]

Whoa, epic bump

[skinsfan_1215]

Birdlives.....

I was right and you were wrong. The 'Bet', that I 'flaked' on (even though I agreed to it injuries and all) was that the Cowboys wouldn't finish in the top 10 in offensive ypg avg and ppg avg.

They finished #7 in both with a backup qb for about half the season and a 3rd stringer in the last game and a half.

I'll be waiting for you to admit that you were wrong...

Note you also stated in the OP that the Eagles were the worst in the division. :)

[Texasaurus]

Keep shooting for the moon Cowboys fans some day those pointless accomplishments will add up to something

then again

Maybe not

[Tweedr01]

Birdlives.....

I was right and you were wrong. The 'Bet', that I 'flaked' on (even though I agreed to it injuries and all) was that the Cowboys wouldn't finish in the top 10 in offensive ypg avg and ppg avg.

They finished #7 in both with a backup qb for about half the season and a 3rd stringer in the last game and a half.

I'll be waiting for you to admit that you were wrong...
lol, someones been waiting for the end of the season huh? man you sound like a little kid who can't let go of a grudge, I don't even know when the last time you or him posted on here, I hope this was worth it

[TonyRomoProBowl]

lol, someones been waiting for the end of the season huh? man you sound like a little kid who can't let go of a grudge, I don't even know when the last time you or him posted on here, I hope this was worth it

nice sig Tweed. LMAO!!!!!!

[Tweedr01]

nice sig Tweed. LMAO!!!!!!
hahaha you caught that huh, it was too good to pass up man, a once in a lifetime chance

[TonyRomoProBowl]

hahaha you caught that huh, it was too good to pass up man, a once in a lifetime chance

it is what it is...........I had my fill of Dallas Success....I know when its over........my poor son loves football too much to be stuck in this.......Be free my son, be free......

[Ken]

Note you also stated in the OP that the Eagles were the worst in the division. :)

Sure did! I don't think Nostradamus was correct all of the time either! :)

---------- Post added January-5th-2011 at 02:13 PM ----------


lol, someones been waiting for the end of the season huh? man you sound like a little kid who can't let go of a grudge, I don't even know when the last time you or him posted on here, I hope this was worth it
Ya, i'm a loser.

Its funny no one says this stuff when I get called out for stuff...

The fact was, this guy called me out numerous times and I conceded every aspect of the bet to meet his needs and still won. I can assure you if the Cowboys didn't meet the criteria, he would have bumped this or posted it as well.

[Tweedr01]

Ya, i'm a loser.

Its funny no one says this stuff when I get called out for stuff...

The fact was, this guy called me out numerous times and I conceded every aspect of the bet to meet his needs and still won. I can assure you if the Cowboys didn't meet the criteria, he would have bumped this or posted it as well.
Hmmmmmm, wait, I know what might've happened. I think you stumbled into ATN and forgot to take a look at 2 of the first threads, here, I'll post them for you below. No need to thank me, but make sure you read through thoroughly :)

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?203223-****-the-Cowboys

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?162983-To-Fans-Of-Opposing-Teams

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Hmmmmmm, wait, I know what might've happened. I think you stumbled into ATN and forgot to take a look at 2 of the first threads, here, I'll post them for you below. No need to thank me, but make sure you read through thoroughly :)

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?203223-****-the-Cowboys

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?162983-To-Fans-Of-Opposing-Teams

hahaha...when all else fails, point to the sign that states "your a visitor" and laugh......its all good, we all know are rightful places here in the Redskins official fan forum "ATN" Around the NFL section.......

[Tweedr01]

hahaha...when all else fails, point to the sign that states "your a visitor" and laugh......its all good, we all know are rightful places here in the Redskins official fan forum "ATN" Around the NFL section.......
you know normally I wouldn't paste those two links but when he said, "Its funny no one says this stuff when I get called out for stuff..." I actually think he forgot where he was. Wouldn't it be even more rude of me to let him think he was on a dallass message board?

EDIT: And his continual usage of 'stuff' makes me think that it may be Vinny stirring the pot....

[Texasaurus]

you know normally I wouldn't paste those two links but when he said, "Its funny no one says this stuff when I get called out for stuff..." I actually think he forgot where he was. Wouldn't it be even more rude of me to let him think he was on a dallass message board?

EDIT: And his continual usage of 'stuff' makes me think that it may be Vinny stirring the pot....

It's ok seems certain fans are a bit slow to understand things..it's like drawing a picture of a door with a exit sign above it
then painting a second door with a sign above it that says toilet. unless you told them which door was actually for the toilet
they'd use the door that says exit

[Tweedr01]

It's ok seems certain fans are a bit slow to understand things..it's like drawing a picture of a door with a exit sign above it
then painting a second door with a sign above it that says toilet. unless you told them which door was actually for the toilet
they'd use the door that says exit
You mean like this?
http://www.newmediaist.com/files/FarSide.jpg

[TonyRomoProBowl]

You mean like this?
http://www.newmediaist.com/files/FarSide.jpg

my all-time favorite........far side cartoon

[Tweedr01]

my all-time favorite........far side cartoon
lol, my dad has every one of gary larson's books, i was doomed from the get go

[TonyRomoProBowl]

lol, my dad has every one of gary larson's books, i was doomed from the get go

sounds like my children..... my daughter is 21, but her collection of far side, Monty Python and the 3 stooges is unmatched. LOL

[Tweedr01]

sounds like my children..... my daughter is 21, but her collection of far side, Monty Python and the 3 stooges is unmatched. LOL
it must've been a terrible childhood ;)

[Texasaurus]

You mean like this?
http://www.newmediaist.com/files/FarSide.jpg

Lol perfect