Fox, James Cameron Announce 'Avatar 2,' 'Avatar 3'

[SpringfieldSkins]

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James Cameron (http://movies.msn.com/celebrities/celebrity/james-cameron.4/) and Fox have agreed to make a pair of sequels to the box-office phenomenon "Avatar (http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie/avatar.2/)."

Fox is targeting December 2014 for the release of the sequel, with the third film tentatively slated for release the following year. Cameron will begin work on the scripts early next year.

[FanboyOf91]

http://www.taranakifarm.com/blog/linked/cows/milking.jpg

[Jumbo]

Awesome pic, fanboy :ols:

But I confess to liking the announcement nonetheless. :D

[Elessar78]

I heard Vinny Chase is voicing the lead

[No_Pressure]

So Dances with Wolves in outer space that looks like simply a good video game is getting a couple of sequels which will not be as good as the first but will bring in millions anyway as people with zero principles when it comes to picking and choosing which movies are quality movies and which ones aren't will somehow trick themselves into thinking it will be like the elusive Empire Strikes Back variety where the 2nd film is actually far superior to the 1st in every facet of filmmaking and storytelling.

But people don't go to movies these days for sensible, deep plots, well written dialogue, well written and developed characters, fantastic and stylistic camera work, originality in presentation, etc.

They go to see the shiny visual effects, and if you can cram as much **** as you can into every shot people will eat it up even more. They'll come home saying "WOWWW WHAT A COOL MOVIE DIDJA SEE WHEN XXX DID XXXX AND XXXX HAPPENED? WHOAAA. Rather than coming home discussing major points within the story and the plot.

Damn kids, get off my lawn.

[HighOnHendrix]

Cameron will begin work on the scripts early next year.

Which will look something like this:
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[fullnelson9999]

It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

[GhostofSparta]

I assume the sequel will focus on the evil corporation coming back and carpet-bombing Pandora into oblivion? I mean, they won't take the natives lightly this time.

[IONTOP]

I got it!!!

Avatar 1 was fought on a mythical planet far away
Avatar 2 is fought when those planeteers decide it's their turn to invade earth
Avatar 3 is fought on a huge ring in the sky..

[Skinz4Life12]

^^^lol, halo?

[JMS]

I heard in Avitar 2 cameron is going to expand upon his trend setting use of 3d science. In his new movie you are actually going to be able to percieve you are in a movie theatre.

Seriously thouhg, Who does this supprise. Avatar made what a billion dollars? Of course they're going to make six more.

[JMS]

I got it!!!

Avatar 1 was fought on a mythical planet far away
Avatar 2 is fought when those planeteers decide it's their turn to invade earth
Avatar 3 is fought on a huge ring in the sky..

No No....

Avatar 2 is going to cover the period after the multi planet corporation has already arrested the human on that planet. The premise of the film is going to be a rough grizzled corporate security guy has to get our young hero out of prison on a 48 hour pass to help capture on of his former Avatar comrades who has gone rogue and has started hurtting innocents. The movie will focus on the hyjinks loosely hung around this investigation and pursuit. With the convict and the security officers becoming friends and co conspirators in the end in order to save avatar.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Ok, everyone is making fun of this, and my only thought is "Please Lord don't let them screw this up!!!!!"

I love Avatar, seriously my son and I watch it all the time, and I really don't want them to mess this up by spamming out two quick sequels with razor thin storylines.

With that said my father and I both agreed that the sequel to Avatar would take place 6 years after the original ended when the humans send massive nuclear weapons to bombard Pandora with until all the Na'vi are dead. Although that idea could be easily sidestepped with a simple dialogue insert that says, "nuclear radiation fundamentally alters the physical composition of unobtainium making it worthless."

[Backpack3r]

This is James Cameron we are talking about. Stop hating. Yall know you loved the first one. James Cameron made Terminator 2, and Aliens, both amazing sequels that are considered better than their predecessors

[Homercles82]

Ok, everyone is making fun of this, and my only thought is "Please Lord don't let them screw this up!!!!!"

I love Avatar, seriously my son and I watch it all the time, and I really don't want them to mess this up by spamming out two quick sequels with razor thin storylines.

With that said my father and I both agreed that the sequel to Avatar would take place 6 years after the original ended when the humans send massive nuclear weapons to bombard Pandora with until all the Na'vi are dead. Although that idea could be easily sidestepped with a simple dialogue insert that says, "nuclear radiation fundamentally alters the physical composition of unobtainium making it worthless."

Some would say the plot in the first movie was razor thin.

And your explanation of why using nukes would harm them sounds almost like something that Cameron would do.

[Xameil]

From what I understand, Avatar 2 will be underwater...he is already trying to break the record of underwater diving for this movie. I read an article where he is going to have footage of depths of the ocean no one has ever seen for this.

Why are so many people hating the idea? Sometimes trilogies work VERY well....like...Star wars, Godfather, Lord of the Rings...I can see Avatar being able to fit with those.

[asoccerplayer99]

Cameron will begin work on the scripts early next year.

I hope it goes something like the first time:
Cameron- "Hey lets make a movie in 3d"
Writer- "Okay, about what"
Cameron- Beats me. But the environment has to have a lot of stuff in it, like a jungle.
Writer- Okay, a jungle. What about natives who live in a jungle
C- Sure. How about natives that live in a jungle on top of natural resources that a corporation wants to steal from them?
W- Yea that would be good. I also hate the military, maybe the US Marines help the corporation?
C- Sweet. What are they trying to steal? Its gotta be something really valuable, and unobtainable from anywhere else. Call it something good, like unobtainium, but better. What do you think?
W- I think its lunch time.
C- Unobtainium it is then. Lets roll.

I hope there's lots more touchy feely hippie tree dancing in this one! I love when the tigers and the antelope all come together as one to push back the evil corporations!

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Why are so many people hating the idea? Sometimes trilogies work VERY well....like...Star wars, Godfather, Lord of the Rings...I can see Avatar being able to fit with those.

Avatar is in now way anything like Star Wars or LOTR, much less Godfather.

I'd lump Avatar in with Leprachaun, Leprachaun 2, and Leprachaun in the Hood.
http://www.videodetective.com/photos/317/013328_11.jpg

Although, the story of Leparchaun in the Hood was a bit more solid.

[Zguy28]

This is James Cameron we are talking about. Stop hating. Yall know you loved the first one. James Cameron made Terminator 2, and Aliens, both amazing sequels that are considered better than their predecessors

That's what it is. The Predators come to Pandora to hunt Aliens and Earth sends Terminators to take out the blue folks. They all meet in the floating mountains for a battle royal.

[AsburySkinsFan]

C- Sweet. What are they trying to steal? Its gotta be something really valuable, and unobtainable from anywhere else. Call it something good, like unobtainium, but better. What do you think?
W- I think its lunch time.
C- Unobtainium it is then. Lets roll.


I used to think that unobtainium was an extremely dorky name for that mineral until I found out this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium


Since the late 1950s,[1][2] aerospace engineers have used the term "unobtainium" when referring to unusual or costly materials, or when theoretically considering a material perfect for their needs in all respects, except that it does not exist. By the 1990s, the term was in wide use, even in formal engineering papers such as "Towards unobtainium [new composite materials for space applications]."[3] The word unobtainium may well have been coined in the aerospace industry to refer to materials capable of withstanding the extreme temperatures expected in reentry. Aerospace engineers are frequently tempted to design aircraft which require parts with strength or resilience beyond that of currently available materials.

Later, Unobtainium became an engineering term for practical materials that really exist, but are difficult to get.[4] For example, during the development of the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, Lockheed engineers at the "Skunk Works" under Clarence "Kelly" Johnson used unobtainium as a dysphemism for titanium. Titanium allowed a higher strength-to-weight ratio at the high temperatures the Blackbird would reach, but the Soviet Union controlled its supply and was trying to deprive the US armed forces of this valuable resource.[nb 1] Eventually, through a European front company, a large quantity of titanium found its way to the United States

[Xameil]

Avatar is in now way anything like Star Wars or LOTR, much less Godfather.

I'd lump Avatar in with Leprachaun, Leprachaun 2, and Leprachaun in the Hood.

Although, the story of Leparchaun in the Hood was a bit more solid.

And your basis?

I think it fits right in. LOTR and Star Wars both banked on ground breaking technology, and doing things that have never been done. Same goes for Avatar, and from what I understand with Avatar 2.
I get that people didn't like the idea that Avatar pushes an agenda, most movies do to some extent. If you put aside your biases to the story, the movie really was well put together.
I have hopes that he doesn't screw it up by a crappy 2 or 3, but only time will tell. James Cameron is not the type of writer/Director to just throw together a movie just to do it. Otherwise, why would he spend so much of his own money to invent and build a submarine that will do what no other sub can do?

As far as me putting it with Godfather trilogy, I am in no way thinking it will reach that since that is my favorite trilogy ever. But I was just saying that successful trilogies can and have been done, and people didn't neccessarily think it was all for the money. :twocents:

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I saw Avatar in Imax 3D on the worlds largest screen and I walked out thinking that it was, well, kinda a lame and predictable story. This visuals were great, but I'll take story over visuals anyday.

And LOTR's was based on a trilogy book written over 50 years ago. They didn't just decide to throw in another two movies.

This will be a success. But, not a well recieved one.

[Homercles82]

Why are so many people hating the idea? Sometimes trilogies work VERY well....like...Star wars, Godfather, Lord of the Rings...I can see Avatar being able to fit with those.

Because Avatar is nowhere near the level of The Godfather, Star Wars Episode IV or Lord of the Rings. The best thing it did was the 3D. Other than that it was an average movie that was hyped to hell and back.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Not to mention Xameil that Star Wars is just a Western, and it's not like the plot for A New Hope was extremely deep either. I think one of the main reasons that most people don't like Avatar is because of the message that Cameron tells in the story, although I will be the first to admit that recycling the Dances with Wolves script might not have been the best idea.

[The Evil Genius]

I think Cameron has earned more than a little trust.

That said, I hope its not like the Wachowski sequels to the Matrix.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I think Cameron has earned more than a little trust.
I totally agree, Cameron is not one to do things half way, and as someone stated earlier he is one of the few directors that produces sequels that are better than the originals, I honestly hope that continues with Avatar. I think one big positive is that this isn't due until 4 years from now, I would be very much worried if they were planning a release next summer...that would have sent me hiding.

[Homercles82]

Not to mention Xameil that Star Wars is just a Western, and it's not like the plot for A New Hope was extremely deep either. I think one of the main reasons that most people don't like Avatar is because of the message that Cameron tells in the story, although I will be the first to admit that recycling the Dances with Wolves script might not have been the best idea.

I dislike Cameron but have loved a lot of his movies. I went into Avatar hoping for a fun actions movie but left wishing half the dialogue was cut from the movie and the action was left in place. My friends and I were rooting for the Marines when they were attacking the Navi at the end of the movie.

[Pick6]

I did not see the first pile of **** and won't waste my time with the other two. How about making another Hurt Locker movie? There is quality and then there is crap used to speak down to the average American to make money.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I did not see the first pile of **** and won't waste my time with the other two.
So you didn't see the first one and yet you have a very strong and well defined opinion regarding it? That's some wonderful objectivity you have there.

[DjTj]

Not to mention Xameil that Star Wars is just a Western, and it's not like the plot for A New Hope was extremely deep either. I think one of the main reasons that most people don't like Avatar is because of the message that Cameron tells in the story, although I will be the first to admit that recycling the Dances with Wolves script might not have been the best idea.I don't know why "Dances with Wolves in space" is such a big criticism. Dances with Wolves was a good movie. I think Avatar would have actually been better if it were more like Dances with Wolves (i.e. if there were a little more depth to the main character).


I dislike Cameron but have loved a lot of his movies. I went into Avatar hoping for a fun actions movie but left wishing half the dialogue was cut from the movie and the action was left in place. My friends and I were rooting for the Marines when they were attacking the Navi at the end of the movie.This seems like an odd criticism. I thought the action was actually very good. For a large scale aerial battle, the dragon/helicopter/flying mountain scenes were about as good as anything in any action movie. And the 3D really did enhance those scenes.

I thought Avatar was a very solid movie. The effects were incredible, the plot moved along at a brisk pace, and at the end of the day I was entertained. There wasn't anything really deep or emotionally moving about it, but it was fun to watch - I think people expect too much. I am not sure that a sequel will be all that great, but I'd probably go see it.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

My friends and I were rooting for the Marines when they were attacking the Navi at the end of the movie.

Any good American would be
http://www.foxnews.com/images/339778/0_61_320.jpg

[Zguy28]

Not to mention Xameil that Star Wars is just a Western, and it's not like the plot for A New Hope was extremely deep either. I think one of the main reasons that most people don't like Avatar is because of the message that Cameron tells in the story, although I will be the first to admit that recycling the Dances with Wolves script might not have been the best idea.

I never really thought about Dances with Wolves (makes sense now). I thought it reminded me of Disney's Pocahontas. :ols:

[AsburySkinsFan]

I don't know why "Dances with Wolves in space" is such a big criticism. Dances with Wolves was a good movie. I think Avatar would have actually been better if it were more like Dances with Wolves (i.e. if there were a little more depth to the main character).
I agree DwW was a good movie, the criticism comes in because Avatar was such a blatant recycling of the script; remember though I loved the movie but I can even see where Cameron went wrong with the script. With that said, if you asked me how the script should have gone I'd just have to shrug...but then I'm not a Hollywood script writer.


I thought Avatar was a very solid movie. The effects were incredible, the plot moved along at a brisk pace, and at the end of the day I was entertained. There wasn't anything really deep or emotionally moving about it, but it was fun to watch - I think people expect too much. I am not sure that a sequel will be all that great, but I'd probably go see it.
Agreed.

[Homercles82]

This seems like an odd criticism. I thought the action was actually very good. For a large scale aerial battle, the dragon/helicopter/flying mountain scenes were about as good as anything in any action movie. And the 3D really did enhance those scenes.

I thought Avatar was a very solid movie. The effects were incredible, the plot moved along at a brisk pace, and at the end of the day I was entertained. There wasn't anything really deep or emotionally moving about it, but it was fun to watch - I think people expect too much. I am not sure that a sequel will be all that great, but I'd probably go see it.

Well, maybe I don't know what I am trying to say. I do know that afterwards I wanted my $15 back.

[RichmondRedskin88]

The movie was freakin awesome!! :beavisnbutthead:

[AsburySkinsFan]

For those knocking the creativity of the script, do you also see any creativity in the script?
For me it's the use the the actual Avatars, something I think we tend to forget as we watch the movie.

[Bang]

That's what it is. The Predators come to Pandora to hunt Aliens and Earth sends Terminators to take out the blue folks. They all meet in the floating mountains for a battle royal.

Now THAT would be cool.

I can't figure out how they're going to plausibly continue the story.
The original is self contained, and going beond this story with these characters would seem to be to be a bit trite.
The only way I can see is to remove the corporation or earthlings altogether, focus on some other threat that is not from off-world.
Another avatar based spy would be too repetitive.

~Bang

[DjTj]

Now THAT would be cool.

I can't figure out how they're going to plausibly continue the story.
The original is self contained, and going beond this story with these characters would seem to be to be a bit trite.
The only way I can see is to remove the corporation or earthlings altogether, focus on some other threat that is not from off-world.

~BangI think what might actually be good is to have prequels. I think there is some fertile ground in the backstory of the Sigourney Weaver character - why she was there in the first place, how she developed the Avatars, the shifting politics between the humans and the Na'vi.

Go back to when humans first discovered Pandora, where the first expedition crashes on the planet, almost gets wiped out by 6-legged panthers, and Sigourney Weaver is the only survivor who is saved by the Na'vi. And then the third movie could be like "Aliens," where they first start mining operations, really piss off the Na'vi by blowing up the wrong tree, and then have to survive an all-out attack before backup can arrive.

[SpringfieldSkins]

I didn't really post in this thread other than the OP.


I liked Avatar. It was a quality movie that pushed 3D to the forefront. Now we have all sorts of imitators out there. Every new 3D movie wants to be an "Avatar killer", nobody has yet to top Avatar. It definitely deserves a sequel. James Cameron doesn't make bad movies, so I believe that the next two Avatar movies will be good and even more groundbreaking than the first. The fact that Cameron is taking his time on this means that it doesn't seem like it will be rushed.

I'm hopeful.

[HighOnHendrix]

James Cameron made Terminator 2, and Aliens, both amazing sequels that are considered better than their predecessors

Not only was T2 not better than the first one, The Abyss was a better Cameron movie. Same effects, better story etc., etc. Remember that all those films were made around 20 to 25 years ago when he was still a hungry young director with relatively limited resources and lots of studio oversight. Now he has enough clout to have free reign to run amok. Call it the 'George Lucas effect'. The parallels are uncanny.

[Homercles82]

Not only was T2 not better than the first one, The Abyss was a better Cameron movie. Same effects, better story etc., etc. Remember that all those films were made around 20 to 25 years ago when he was still a hungry young director with relatively limited resources and lots of studio oversight. Now he has enough clout to have free reign to run amok. Call it the 'George Lucas effect'. The parallels are uncanny.

If you were to ask me I would say The Abyss is his best work. And your George Lucas comparison is very true.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Not only was T2 not better than the first one, The Abyss was a better Cameron movie. Same effects, better story etc., etc. Remember that all those films were made around 20 to 25 years ago when he was still a hungry young director with relatively limited resources and lots of studio oversight. Now he has enough clout to have free reign to run amok. Call it the 'George Lucas effect'. The parallels are uncanny.
I don't see it as much "reign to run amok", instead I see it more as George Lucas and James Cameron have earned the credibility for the studios to trust their artistry. The thing about artistry though is that not everyone is going to appreciate the art.

That being said, Jar-jar Binks is not art. :ols:

[nonniey]

Problem is that Avatar wasn't really that good a movie, while the examples you cite were. Avatar was fun to watch the first time, gets little stale the second time, shear boredom the 3rd time. So we're all having trouble seeing how he can create viable sequels from such a weak foundation.

[thebluefood]

Yeah...I'll be skipping this one.

[Spanky22]

I think Cameron has earned more than a little trust.

That said, I hope its not like the Wachowski sequels to the Matrix.

The Matrix and its awful sequels were my first thought as well. You know the thought process behind that was "damn, that first movie really made a TON of money. Think we should make a couple more? I bet people will pay to see it because it has the same title and characters!" I bet this idea came about the same way.

/thought Avatar was entertaining and fun, but not a great movie

[mjah]

Hopefully they'll call the sequel "Avatars," and instead of lifting the Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves storyline, they'll have several Avatar-based heroes instead.

That way they can lift the "Three Amigos" storyline instead. Totally different film.

Unrelated note: I'm one of the (apparently) few people who found the first Matrix film to be a largely uninteresting rehash of moldy ideas with a very shallow but seductive visual-effect twist -- much like Avatar turned out to be. And not in the standard "every movie rehashes old ideas" style, either. It was an aggregator of poorly glued-together sci-fi notions and semi-philosophy, plus a bolt-on love story literally in the last five minutes of the film. Oddly, I ended up identifying strongly with Neo as it wrapped up: confronted with the fact that the messy pile of plot was about to get (ostensibly) untangled and resolved due to some Huey Lewis style "power of love" magic, I wanted to just calmly hold my hand up to the screen and mutter, "...No."

Great looking movie, though. As a 15-minute trailer of special effects, it would have been spectacular. At least Avatar didn't take itself quite so seriously... it was content to be summer spectacle without striving for any additional, unattainable importance.

[China]

3D porn film beats Avatar's record in Hong Kong Hong (http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/55431-3d-porn-film-beats-avatars-record-in-hong-kong-hong)

James Cameron's Avatar was a highlight for the 3D film industry, but it was missing something...

Sex. That's what Hong Kong's latest three-dimensional flick, 3D Sex and Zen: Extreme Ecstasy, brings to the table. In its first day, it brought in 2.79 million Hong Kong dollars, or roughly around $360,000. Meanwhile, as the Hollywood Reporter pointed out, Avatar's opening day only grossed HK$2.5 million.

http://www.weirdasianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/sex-and-zen-poster.jpg

[Dan T.]

Am I the only person on the planet who has not seen Avatar?

[MattFancy]

Am I the only person on the planet who has not seen Avatar?

Not really missing anything. Sure the visuals in 3D were done really well. But he story line was far from good or even original. If you've seen Pocahontas, then you've seen Avatar.

[thebluefood]

Am I the only person on the planet who has not seen Avatar?

High on visuals, criminally low on story.

[Jumbo]

..... criminally low on story.


Mainly, to the rightwingers. :pfft:

[GhostofSparta]

Am I the only person on the planet who has not seen Avatar?

Nope, you're not alone man. And from what I've heard, if you didn't see it in 3D in the theaters, it's not worth your time. So I will probably never see it.

[HogNose]

Am I the only person on the planet who has not seen Avatar?

If you have seen Dances with Wolves then you basically have seen Avatar. Great visuals and worth seeing but the story has been done before.

[Koolblue13]

I loved it. Great visuals, typical story line, politically left leaning undertones. Typical movie, done very well and creative.

I'm excited to see more of them.

[Jumbo]

I would hardly consider Avatar one of the better sci-fi fantasy movies as far as script and acting go, but it's no POS. It's just lightweight but serviceable sci-fi/fantasy with state of the art visuals and serious creativity in scene structure. I'd tell anyone not to listen to haters or settle for DVD---just go see it and don't expect "Blade Runner" plot/acting wise. Some people dump on it more than is merited. I liked "regular" 3-D better than IMAX for it, and it stands up fine in non-3D (I am not a big 3D fan overall).

[Koolblue13]

People like to bash this movie for not being the second coming of History of the World part I or Ghandi for some reason, but it's still a great movie. The kind you can watch over and over. Just like Independence Day.

I don't like 3D movies.

[China]

Am I the only person on the planet who has not seen Avatar?

No. I haven't seen it.

[Sticksboi05]

This is James Cameron we are talking about. Stop hating. Yall know you loved the first one. James Cameron made Terminator 2, and Aliens, both amazing sequels that are considered better than their predecessors

Avatar sucks. Terminator 1 was great. Alien was great. There's the difference.

Sucks is too harsh but it's just mediocre.