ESPN 980: Polan and Sheehan: "The Sky is Falling"

[Boss_Hogg]

This is bunch of :pooh: I'll recap what these two buffoons were bloviating about on the airwaves:

-Shanny is not happy with the media. They claim he is overwhelmed.
-Shanny does not like the area, they claim he complained about his two hour (round trip) drive into work
-Shanny may be homesick and misses his home in Colorado (no facts to back this up)
- Shanny "had no idea" what he was getting into with the Redskins lack of talent
- Shanny could retire after this year because of all the stress and failure of this organization
-Shanny has a "rift" with Daniel M. Snyder (again no facts or sources to back this up)

They also claim that Beck may be the starter in 2011, both mediots claim that McNabb will go to Minnesota.

I'll post the podcast of this turd fest when it's available.

[rockfan7224]

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[GaryGreenMonk]

that is a bunch of crap.

at least stick to the facts if you are going to argue the sky is falling...

which is that after this week, it is unlikely that McNabb re-signs here, which leaves us with no QB going forward.

and just to repeat again...

Beck is 30 years old.... 30!... he's only 4 years younger than McNabb...

in fact i have no idea why Beck is on this team.

but that doesn't surprise me... because almost every personell decision made since the Shanahans and Allen took over has been a disaster.

[AllAboutSkins08]

Ahhh, this is more like it. This is what I'm used to hearing. Pessimism and speculation. DC sports media, you are the greatest.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

That was actually Sheehan and Andy "Bipolar."

I am actually a fair listener of Sheehan and him and Loverro are actually not as bad as Polan and Czabe. Heads up: don't tune into 980 after Shanahan's press conference. Who knows what you'll hear.

[The Tris]

Is anyone really surprised with how the media is going to handle this week?

I would advise not reading or listening to any local coverage for the next 10 days at least.

[surferskin]

This IS a disaster. Are you paying attention?

[authentic]

Yeah, i heard that garbage this morning. To be fair, I think it was mostly Polin that was saying that crap. He also was speculating that Shanny's decision to get McNabb in the trade may have been due to Snyder's coersion. SMH :doh:

[Mursilis]

This is bunch of :pooh:

So why'd you post it?!?!

[Boss_Hogg]

This IS a disaster. Are you paying attention?

The team is bad no doubt, but don't make it worse by making up garbage soap opera story lines like these two rodeo clowns.

[Boss_Hogg]

So why'd you post it?!?!

because it's good for laugh

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Doesn't Snyder's Red Zebra group own 980?

This is one instance were he should step in and sanction these boneheads. It's bad enough when the Post prints conjecture as fact; but to have it from the team's flagship radio station takes the preverbal.

Hail.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Within the context of 2010, I think they are right that the sky is falling. However, I'm still OK with the front office setup and the longer-term direction of this team. I think we have some of the right people in place provided we start drafting young players and have patience with them.

[Botched]

We are 4-4, coming off of a 4-12 season.

Judging by media and fan reaction, you'd think we were the Cowboys or Vikings.

[Airman67]

This IS a disaster. Are you paying attention?

Why, exactly, is this a disaster?

Did you honestly believe that a new coach, even one with Shanahan's credntials, was going to come into Washington and take us to the Super Bowl IN ONE FREAKIN' YEAR? Are you really one of those homers who thought that?

This team was such a disaster for the last 2 years that it is going to take Shanahan his full contract to get this fixed. The team is 4 and 4, which is alot better than what we would have been without Shanahan and McNabb.

You people are incredible. :rolleyes:

[The Tris]

but that doesn't surprise me... because almost every personell decision made since the Shanahans and Allen took over has been a disaster.

It is indeed a bunch of crap, but you are sounding just as Chicken Little as they are with this silly comment.


Carricker, Torain, Banks, Armstong, and Holliday have worked out pretty well - A's

Buchanon, Lichtensteiger have been more good than bad - B's

Hicks has been shakey, but he was supposed to be a depth player, not a starter - C

McNabb looks to be a failure today, but probably need to be reexamined at the end of the year, and not after the worse loss of the year - D (today)

R. Williams, Galloway, and Johnson were (and continue to be) abject failures - F's

Beck is an incomplete, but as we lost NOTHING to acquire him, not sure how it is a disaster that he is our 3rd QB. Incompletes as well for Brown and Kemo, as it is hard to evaluate a player who is not 100% healthy. - IC's

[GaryGreenMonk]

We are 4-4, coming off of a 4-12 season.

Judging by media and fan reaction, you'd think we were the Cowboys or Vikings.

I think it's more of an issue that we are getting worse.

You could argue the defense has improved somewhat since the early games.

But the offense is obviously worse.. and now we have QB questions going forward calling into doubt future years...

plus personell decisions have been nightmarish...

L. Johnson, Willie Parker, Derrick Dockery, Galloway, Roydell, Kory Lickmybutt, Jamal Brown...

on the personell side... we had 2 standouts... Torain and Banks... and it appeared they benched Torain before McNabb. they said it was a hamstring, but he was walking fine.

[GaryGreenMonk]

Carricker, Torain, Banks, Armstong, and Holliday have worked out pretty well.

Buchanon, Lichtensteiger

Beck is an incomplete, but as we lost NOTHING to acquire him, not sure how it is a disaster that he is our 3rd QB.

Incompletes as well for Brown and Kemo, as it is hard to evaluate a player who is not 100% healthy.

McNabb looks to be a failure today, but probably need to be reexamined at the end of the year, and not after the worse loss of the year.

Hicks has been shakey, but he was supposed to be a depth player, not a starter.

R. Williams, Galloway, and Johnson were (and continue to be) abject failures.

We appeared to bench Torain. Armstrong has been good.. but on most teams he'd be the 3rd or 4th guy.

Beck is 30. no one seems to realize this overlooked fact.

in the above post, i hightlighted all the other mistakes you left out.

[surferskin]

Why, exactly, is this a disaster?

Did you honestly believe that a new coach, even one with Shanahan's credntials, was going to come into Washington and take us to the Super Bowl IN ONE FREAKIN' YEAR? Are you really one of those homers who thought that?

This team was such a disaster for the last 2 years that it is going to take Shanahan his full contract to get this fixed. The team is 4 and 4, which is alot better than what we would have been without Shanahan and McNabb.

You people are incredible. :rolleyes:

It's a disaster because the McNabb trade is a failure in my eyes and apparently a failure in the eyes of the coach that traded for him. So instead of rebuilding this past offseason, we inexplicably got OLDER. We are perpetually in this "win now" mode but the foundation of this team is shiit.

[polywog999]

We need a cryptic remark from TK right about now.....tea leaves?

[minionskin]

Why, exactly, is this a disaster?

Did you honestly believe that a new coach, even one with Shanahan's credntials, was going to come into Washington and take us to the Super Bowl IN ONE FREAKIN' YEAR? Are you really one of those homers who thought that?

This team was such a disaster for the last 2 years that it is going to take Shanahan his full contract to get this fixed. The team is 4 and 4, which is alot better than what we would have been without Shanahan and McNabb.

You people are incredible. :rolleyes:


This reminds me of a certain political election.

[AllAboutSkins08]

We appeared to bench Torain. Armstrong has been good.. but on most teams he'd be the 3rd or 4th guy.

Beck is 30. no one seems to realize this overlooked fact.

in the above post, i hightlighted all the other mistakes you left out.


I thought Torain went out of the game with an injury. He wasn't benched.

[#98QBKiller]

ESPN 980:

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[The Tris]

Dr. GGM, I did not realize you were field level in DET yesterday, to diagnose Torain's hamstring pull as nothing. In the future, please let me know which games you are on staff so I can pay better attention to your injury reports.

[Airman67]

It's a disaster because the McNabb trade is a failure in my eyes and apparently a failure in the eyes of the coach that traded for him. So instead of rebuilding this past offseason, we inexplicably got OLDER. We are perpetually in this "win now" mode but the foundation of this team is shiit.

Excuse me, but we only had so many draft picks to work with and we could not address every problem with a brand new stud fresh out of college.

Our need was help on the O-line. We picked that. Shanahan has proven that he can take a good veteran QB and tuse him to lead the team. You may not like the benching, but Andy Reid did the same thing to McNabb in the Baltimore game and McNabb came back the following week abrand new quarterback.

McNabb is not the answer to the long term problem and wasn't brought here to be the answer. We never expected to be a playoff team this year and maybe next, so why can't everyone be patient with the personnel decisions as Shanahan tries to find the best fit for the team?

[BurgundyBlog]

It is indeed a bunch of crap, but you are sounding just as Chicken Little as they are with this silly comment.


Carricker, Torain, Banks, Armstong, and Holliday have worked out pretty well - A's

Buchanon, Lichtensteiger have been more good than bad - B's

Hicks has been shakey, but he was supposed to be a depth player, not a starter - C

McNabb looks to be a failure today, but probably need to be reexamined at the end of the year, and not after the worse loss of the year - D (today)

R. Williams, Galloway, and Johnson were (and continue to be) abject failures - F's

Beck is an incomplete, but as we lost NOTHING to acquire him, not sure how it is a disaster that he is our 3rd QB. Incompletes as well for Brown and Kemo, as it is hard to evaluate a player who is not 100% healthy. - IC's

I like these grades, Tris. Pretty spot on, IMO.

But my concern, like GGM, is that we might be regressing. O-line is an atrocity again, giving up SEVEN SACKS to a respectable but not superior Lions front seven. As the o-line goes, so goes this team, and its quarterback, and its legendary zone-blocking scheme. The necessary o-line overhaul, which began with Williams but remains mostly unfinished, will take multiple seasons, for which an aging McNabb will can't possibly have sufficient patience. That means we lack a comfortable future at QB as well.

Uncertainty at QB and all along the o-line is a mountainous obstacle in itself. Throw in two impending weeks' worth of heavy scrutiny over the head coach's vote of No Confidence in the team's clear leader, and you're not even starting up the mountain yet. You're sliding down the base.

[surferskin]

Excuse me, but we only had so many draft picks to work with and we could not address every problem with a brand new stud fresh out of college.

Our need was help on the O-line. We picked that. Shanahan has proven that he can take a good veteran QB and tuse him to lead the team. You may not like the benching, but Andy Reid did the same thing to McNabb in the Baltimore game and McNabb came back the following week abrand new quarterback.

McNabb is not the answer to the long term problem and wasn't brought here to be the answer. We never expected to be a playoff team this year and maybe next, so why can't everyone be patient with the personnel decisions as Shanahan tries to find the best fit for the team?

Yes, we only have so many draft picks and we have even less now that we traded for a washed up LT and QB. Seriously, after the moves Shanahan and Allen made this off season, I have no faith that they'll turn it around. McNabb, Brown, Galloway, Johnson & Parker? WTF?

[The Tris]

IUncertainty at QB and all along the o-line is a mountainous obstacle in itself. Throw in two impending weeks' worth of heavy scrutiny over the head coach's vote of No Confidence in the team's clear leader, and you're not even starting up the mountain yet. You're sliding down the base.

Maybe this is the week that Mike Shanahan shows why he makes the big bucks.

The OL is not going to get better this season. Mike, Kyle and Forester need to hit the drawing board and figure out how to adjust their scheme in the second half to better mask the inherant lack of skill on the interior.

[THEREALTOR1]

Beck is 30 years old.... 30!... he's only 4 years younger than McNabb...



Beck is 30. no one seems to realize this overlooked fact.


No he's not, he just turned 29 in August.

[GaryGreenMonk]

No he's not, he just turned 29 in August.

and that makes a difference why? close enough.

useless to have a "grooming" QB who's almost 30. He's not that far behind McNabb.

[Coach Janky Spanky]

I didn't get to listen this morning but will be tuning in at noon to listen to Sheehan and Lovero. I doubt Sheehan said many of the things that the OP is attributing to him. Sheehan is far more reasonable than that. Also, no way Sheehan believes that Snyder pressured Shanahan into going after McNabb. Sheehan's the biggest proponent, as am I, of the idea that Snyder is hands off now.

As far as McNabb, people are overestimating the impact of his benching yesterday. McNabb isn't some baby who's gonna have his feelings hurt. He was benched in Philly on a number of ocassions, and it's not like it made that much of a difference to him.

Big bummer to be 4-4 now instead of 5-3. Seems to be a huge difference there.

Oh, and our O-line is regressing badly.

[THEREALTOR1]

and that makes a difference why? close enough.

useless to have a "grooming" QB who's almost 30. He's not that far behind McNabb.

It shows that you will exaggerate to try and make your point, and that I shouldn't believe anything you post without researching it on my own. Thats the difference.

[Airman67]

Yes, we only have so many draft picks and we have even less now that we traded for a washed up LT and QB. Seriously, after the moves Shanahan and Allen made this off season, I have no faith that they'll turn it around. McNabb, Brown, Galloway, Johnson & Parker? WTF?

Well then I suggest you take your lack of faith and go hide somewhere. Anyone with any reall common sense understood that it was going to be a difficult season with spurts of joy and spurts of pain. Those with common sense had us at about 8-8, which is pretty good after the last two years of dysfunction in this organization and the last 10 years of total disaray.

You probably have never liked McNabb, but he is a future HOF QB and with the right protection, is a very dangerous QB. Again, without the right protection, and push from the O-line, great running backs like Parker and Johnson didn't have a chance. But, they cost us money alone not draft picks so what was the harm in trying? Is it Shanahan and Allen's fault that Brown is not living up to his potential?

What about finding Torain? What about Banks? What about Armstrong? You want to mentionn ones who aren't working out, but you fail to mention the ones who are.

The insanity needs to stop from the weekend warrios around here. We have played 8 freakin' games. Give it some time to develop. It may take years but this man will fix this team.

[GaryGreenMonk]

It shows that you will exaggerate to try and make your point, and that I shouldn't believe anything you post without researching it on my own. Thats the difference.

it doesn't change the point now does it.. i exagerrated by 8 months.

[Horton_Predator48]

The team was 4-12 last season. We're 4-4 at the midpoint. The team is improving. Not going to happen overnight. If the Skins can go 9-7 I think it'll be great. Realistic expectations.

[Airman67]

As far as McNabb, people are overestimating the impact of his benching yesterday. McNabb isn't some baby who's gonna have his feelings hurt. He was benched in Philly on a number of ocassions, and it's not like it made that much of a difference to him.

You ought to check out McNabb before his benching against Baltimore 2 years ago and after his benching.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Those of you stressing patience with the new regime are 100% correct. There is no way we could expect a new GM, VP/head coach, OC, and DC to come in and turn this team into a contender in one season. However, to stress patience with a team that traded away 3 picks (2nd, 3rd, and 4th) for a 34-year old QB and a 30-year old RT is counter-intuitive. We made moves that would shore up positions on this team in the short-term. That's fine since they are certainly upgrades over what we had (how much of an upgrade and whether the upgrades were worth the price are debatable).

But, if we drop to 4-6 or something, I think the best course of action would be to go into full rebuild mode at some point. We have to see what we have with our younger players and figure out what we need to target in the off-season.

I'd start by benching Rabach and seeing how much worse you can be with a younger Lichtensteiger at center. Then, that gives Dockery (a good pass protector) another shot at guard. I also think you need to promote Capers if you're going to stick with this RT rotation. If not, give the job to one of the other two and let that person play an entire game. The OL is the key here. But, in addition, bring up Austin and Davis and let them play over Galloway and Keiland.

It might turn out, by season's end, that we have a couple more pieces than we know about at this point. We might only need 2 new OL starters and one big-time WR. We might not need a RB if Davis, Torain, and Williams can be your depth chart in 2011. We have some holes to fill, but I'd rather have a great idea with live bullets of where our youth stands rather than wait for training camp reps for some of these guys.

Then, the biggest question that Shanahan will need to answer this off-season is the QB direction. Are we willing to draft someone and let him develop or are we going to continue to try to plug someone in? My preference would be to draft someone and let him learn the system and sit behind Grossman for part of 2011 (eventually taking over as the starter). Hopefully, that would put us in a position to start 2012 at full speed.

[justice98]

I didn't get to listen this morning but will be tuning in at noon to listen to Sheehan and Lovero. I doubt Sheehan said many of the things that the OP is attributing to him. Sheehan is far more reasonable than that. Also, no way Sheehan believes that Snyder pressured Shanahan into going after McNabb. Sheehan's the biggest proponent, as am I, of the idea that Snyder is hands off now.

As far as McNabb, people are overestimating the impact of his benching yesterday. McNabb isn't some baby who's gonna have his feelings hurt. He was benched in Philly on a number of ocassions, and it's not like it made that much of a difference to him.

Big bummer to be 4-4 now instead of 5-3. Seems to be a huge difference there.

Oh, and our O-line is regressing badly.

On a number of occasions? Outside of the Raven game two years ago where Reid put in Kolb, when was the last time he was benched before that?

[pointyfootball]

As far as McNabb, people are overestimating the impact of his benching yesterday. McNabb isn't some baby who's gonna have his feelings hurt. He was benched in Philly on a number of ocassions, and it's not like it made that much of a difference to him.

He was only benched once. And, it made a huge difference, actually. And, it did hurt his feelings.

[surferskin]

Well then I suggest you take your lack of faith and go hide somewhere. Anyone with any reall common sense understood that it was going to be a difficult season with spurts of joy and spurts of pain. Those with common sense had us at about 8-8, which is pretty good after the last two years of dysfunction in this organization and the last 10 years of total disaray.

To me, the skins record this year doesn't mean much. 8-8 isn't in a vacuum. Are we 8-8 with a good young nucleus and getting better or are we a some piece together group of misfits that lucked into 8 wins? At this rate, we'll lucky to be the a latter.



You probably have never liked McNabb, but he is a future HOF QB and with the right protection, is a very dangerous QB. Again, without the right protection, and push from the O-line, great running backs like Parker and Johnson didn't have a chance. But, they cost us money alone not draft picks so what was the harm in trying? Is it Shanahan and Allen's fault that Brown is not living up to his potential?

You're right, I've never liked McNabb. At his best he was talented choker and at his worst he's an inaccurate choker. I take it you're very young if you think that McNabb is a HOFer.

I almost spit my drink on my monitor after seeing you refer to Parker and Johnson as "great". Those guys haven't even been "good" since 2006.



What about finding Torain? What about Banks? What about Armstrong? You want to mentionn ones who aren't working out, but you fail to mention the ones who are.

Wow, 1 out of 4 RB's he's signed this season, haven't sucked and found a WR that coudn't be the 3rd WR any other team in our division.

Banks looks like solid return guy, so I'll give him some props for that though.



The insanity needs to stop from the weekend warrios around here. We have played 8 freakin' games. Give it some time to develop. It may take years but this man will fix this team.

Hell yes, it's going to take "years", especially after they just wasted this year.

[gaskinsfan]

We've gone from a disaster to at least .500, so while there might be a few cracks in the sky its not falling yet. Shanny has done some things right, especially in the offseason and creating a work ethic in the players. I don't know about their comments regarding the area, traffic, talent on the team, rifts, etc. I guess they could be true.

As others have posted personnel moves have been some good some bad, which is par for the course in the NFL. We can't say its all been bad.

The defense was pretty stout yesterday especially in the first half, and they get turnovers and really hit people. The lions had great field position the entire 1st half and got only 7 points. Not bad

Our offense is weak and has been all year.
The skins especially struggle with teams that have big physical front lines, especially in the interior. Our two guards and center cannot handle it and they disrupt the running game as well as bring pressure up the middle. But the line is improved from last year and will take time to fully rebuild.

So what's my real issue with the team:

I am most concerned about Shanny's attitude towards having to always show that he's "the boss" sometimes to the detriment to the team.

Devin Thomas was not given a chance and we have receivers that quit on routes because they might get hit?? (Galloway)

Dockery is sitting there and we can't block anybody up front. Why is Rabach in there, we don't have anyone else that can play center and maybe handle a physical NT/DT?

Grossman for McNabb with less than 2 min left? Never ever seen anything like this at any level... McNabb is not playing well, but at least he can avoid the rush and make some plays.

AH used on a part time basis when he's still one of the most dominate DL in the league? AH could make a difference but he can't if he's on the sideline for 1/2 the time.

Fred Davis just sits there under used? We have one of the weakest receiving corps in the league, Davis can really play, and you don't find a way to get him in there?

Shanny will get a few years to right the ship, so while its too early to tell how things will end up unless he gets off his "I'm the boss and you're not" routine, it won't end up good.

[P'Oed]

Here's a tip:

Don't listen to sports radio. Throw on a Phil Collins CD,

[Horton_Predator48]

McNabb is not alone in responsibility for Offense playing terrible. Oline and WR should take their share. Having said that....McNabb needs to be held accountable for his play. In this regime, no player is untouchable and I like it. McNabb gives the Skins the best chance to win, but he needs to get it together. His accuracy is poor and his deep balls have been late. Whether it was Grossman or McNabb, either one of those guys was taking the sack on that play. Oline looked like last years. I'm still a fan I hope we can go 9-7. Winning record and a big improvement from last year. Maybe we can sneak into the wild card. Realistic expectations. It could be worse. We could be Cowgirl fans. Keep the faith.

[jnhay]

but that doesn't surprise me... because almost every personell decision made since the Shanahans and Allen took over has been a disaster.

Brandon Banks, Anthony Armstrong, Haynesworth playing well, Ryan Torain. Brown has been injured and I forgot to mention getting Adam Carriker for nothing. You can't blame Shanahan for not getting the line turned around completely in one offseason.

[tex]

Here's a tip:

Don't listen to sports radio. Throw on a Phil Collins CD,

Pearl Jam's "elderly woman behind the counter" is playing from my computer at the moment.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Here's a tip:

Don't listen to sports radio. Throw on a Phil Collins CD,

He's not patient either...instead of rebuilding he wants to make it right, tonight, tonight, tonight! Can't he just be OK with a couple of 3-win seasons if it means we'll be a contender for 10 years?? Stupid Phil.

[tex]

He's not patient either...instead of rebuilding he wants to make it right, tonight, tonight, tonight! Can't he just be OK with a couple of 3-win seasons if it means we'll be a contender for 10 years?? Stupid Phil.

that's why one should never listen to collins. kurt cobain unplugged "about a girl" now playing.

[drowland]

I actually agree with them on John Beck. I think he will be the starter in 2011 (assuming there's no lock-out). They already gave him a contract extenison. Who else has this regime given an extenison to? No one. The Shanahans are high on him. Kyle wanted him in Houston. Cam Cameron thinks he's another Drew Brees. If the Ravens didn't already have Flacco, with Bulger as his back-up, they probably wouldn't have traded Beck.

[GaryGreenMonk]

I actually agree with them on John Beck. I think he will be the starter in 2011 (assuming there's no lock-out). They already gave him a contract extenison. Who else has this regime given an extenison to? No one. The Shanahans are high on him. Kyle wanted him in Houston. Cam Cameron thinks he's another Drew Brees. If the Ravens didn't already have Flacco, with Bulger as his back-up, they probably wouldn't have traded Beck.

Beck will be 30 years old next year.

it's pointless to play him.

[drowland]

Beck will be 30 years old next year.

it's pointless to play him.

What does that matter? 30 years old for QB is like 25 for any other position. QBs hit their prime later and play well into their mid to late 30s. Steve Young was 30 when he took over for Montana. Who was Young's QB coach? Mike Shanahan. Beck's age won't mean anything.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I actually agree with them on John Beck. I think he will be the starter in 2011 (assuming there's no lock-out). They already gave him a contract extenison. Who else has this regime given an extenison to? No one. The Shanahans are high on him. Kyle wanted him in Houston. Cam Cameron thinks he's another Drew Brees. If the Ravens didn't already have Flacco, with Bulger as his back-up, they probably wouldn't have traded Beck.

I think that might be the plan...even if temporary while we're grooming a draft pick. Either way...it'll be interesting to see how this QB situation pans out over the next year or two.

[heyholetsgogrant]

What does that matter? 30 years old for QB is like 25 for any other position. QBs hit their prime later and play well into their mid to late 30s. Steve Young was 30 when he took over for Montana. Who was Young's QB coach? Mike Shanahan. Beck's age won't mean anything.

Agreed, Del Homme, Warner, Gannon, etc all bloomed late.

[joe]

We are 4-4, coming off of a 4-12 season.

Judging by media and fan reaction, you'd think we were the Cowboys or Vikings.


exactly. Did anyone really think we were super bowl bound? I expected to be 4-4 at the break, but the way we got to this record is very surprising. We pretty much lost the games we coulda shoulda won and won the games we were expected to lose,

[TD_washingtonredskins]

exactly. Did anyone really think we were super bowl bound? I expected to be 4-4 at the break, but the way we got to this record is very surprising. We pretty much lost the games we coulda shoulda won and won the games we were expected to lose,

But the point is that why would you trade away half of a draft for 2 older players (McNabb and Brown) who aren't long-term solutions AND aren't helping us win now?

[BIGPHILLY]

This is bunch of :pooh: I'll recap what these two buffoons were bloviating about on the airwaves:

-Shanny is not happy with the media. They claim he is overwhelmed.
-Shanny does not like the area, they claim he complained about his two hour (round trip) drive into work
-Shanny may be homesick and misses his home in Colorado (no facts to back this up)
- Shanny "had no idea" what he was getting into with the Redskins lack of talent
- Shanny could retire after this year because of all the stress and failure of this organization
-Shanny has a "rift" with Daniel M. Snyder (again no facts or sources to back this up)

They also claim that Beck may be the starter in 2011, both mediots claim that McNabb will go to Minnesota.

I'll post the podcast of this turd fest when it's available.

* It's just media frenzy stuff. As an Eagles fan I actually respect the 980 crew and listen to them a great deal considering I live in Baltimore (Dumbest sports fans in america). You knew this would happen. As soon as the game was over yesterday I said "Oh man - the DC radio guys are going to go nuts on this one". No surprise. The 610 WIP Philly crew did this too. Shanhan just botched this. No reason to bring Grossman in at all. Grossman is awful.

[The Tris]

Signs the McNabb trade has gone horribly wrong: fans legitimately discussing starting John Beck.

[Bang]

This IS a disaster. Are you paying attention?
I'm hoping that was sarcasm, but in case it's not...
You obviously aren't.

What exactly did you expect?


THAT is the disaster.. the expectations of the fans and media in this town.
Get a grip, recognize what this team is and where thay are. Realize you don't turn around two decades of futility overnight.

And if you fail to do that, then sit back and be disappointed. There's nothing anyone can do for you.

~Bang

[surferskin]

I'm hoping that was sarcasm, but in case it's not...
You obviously aren't.

What exactly did you expect?


THAT is the disaster.. the expectations of the fans and media in this town.
Get a grip, recognize what this team is and where thay are. Realize you don't turn around two decades of futility overnight.

And if you fail to do that, then sit back and be disappointed. There's nothing anyone can do for you.

~Bang

Yeah, this whole McNabb situation is just a minor bump in the road building a champion. Right...

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

I'm hoping that was sarcasm, but in case it's not...
You obviously aren't.

What exactly did you expect?


THAT is the disaster.. the expectations of the fans and media in this town.
Get a grip, recognize what this team is and where thay are. Realize you don't turn around two decades of futility overnight.

And if you fail to do that, then sit back and be disappointed. There's nothing anyone can do for you.

~Bang

Bang, how would you feel about a McNabb trade come season end?

I'm on the boat for trading him after the season if it comes to that or franchising him and receiving compensation from a team in desperate need... again if it comes to that.

[SWFLSkins]

This IS a disaster. Are you paying attention?

How is this a disaster, please elaborate?

The team is 4-4, last year the team was 4-12, are you saying this team is not going to win another game? Improvement over utter chaos is not a disaster.

[joe]

But the point is that why would you trade away half of a draft for 2 older players (McNabb and Brown) who aren't long-term solutions AND aren't helping us win now?

Perhaps they got it wrong, or perhaps it will take more time than they thought.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Perhaps they got it wrong, or perhaps it will take more time than they thought.

Right...either way, it's turned out to be a bad move. Don't get me wrong, I liked both moves when they happened. However, if it's going to take a couple years for older players to learn the system/be effective then you shouldn't have made the move.

[surferskin]

How is this a disaster, please elaborate?

The team is 4-4, last year the team was 4-12, are you saying this team is not going to win another game? Improvement over utter chaos is not a disaster.

This thread is 5 pages long you know. I've already "elaborated".

[Mr. Cooke]

-Mike Shanahan: Has one fewer Super Bowl victory than Joe Gibbs and Bill Belichek and is among the all-time winningest coaches in the NFL.
-Andy Pollin: Played high school and never skips the chance to tell listeners this crucial fact.
-Kevin Sheehan: Enjoys quoting himself.


Shanahan may not be perfect but he's a pretty good coach.

[Bang]

Bang, how would you feel about a McNabb trade come season end?

I'm on the boat for trading him after the season if it comes to that or franchising him and receiving compensation from a team in desperate need... again if it comes to that.

It would all depend on the deal. I don't know who is in such desperate need that they'd trade for a guy who's contract is up in March.

Ideally they re-sign him and he gives them three years and helps groom his replacement.

If not, we move forward. If I'm Shanahan, I send McNabb a dozen roses, and on the card I say "Rabach will be gone the moment the last game ends".
I bet that makes him a bit happier.

~Bang

[joe]

If I'm Shanahan, I send McNabb a dozen roses, and on the card I say "Rabach will be gone the moment the last game ends".~Bang

Now that made me smile.

[Ahmayzin]

Just ignore it. The NFC right now, outside of The Giants, Tampa, Atlanta and the Packers is really still somewhat...open. Did we want to go into our bye like this? Heck no. at 5-3 we would really be sitting up there with the top 5 in the NFC. At 4-4 we aren't scrubs. We just made our journey a lot harder. I'm still optimisitc, I just want Shanahan to fix this Tom Foolery. I don't klnow about the rest of y'all, but I was truly hoping to have DMC5 here for at least 2 more seasons. We will still respect our coach no matter what, but there will be mad bitterness if McNabb rolls out....at this decision will linger like a deuce dropped after Taco Bell and a extra thick milkshake.