There is only 1 man can clean this mess up

[Skinzfever2010]

I have only been a fan for 23 years. I love my team but honestly they have been terrible since I can remember. The only time I ever felt comfortable watching them play was when Joe Gibbs was here.

That 4 years seems like a blur at times but honestly after being beaten in battered during the SP years Coach Gibbs turned things around for this unit in a timely manner. I know he made some poor decisions when he was here but every leader isn't perfect.

I miss you Coach. This is still your team with allot of your players (London, Andre, LaRon, Cooley, Moss, Portis)

Miss you Coach, I know 2008 would have been completely different had you stayed here.

Hail!

[stuck_N_virginia]

pointless thread ever...

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What was our record in 2004, Gibbs' first year back?

[Skinzfever2010]

What was our record in 2004, Gibbs' first year back?

6-10

[Rocket442Olds]

Wow the sky is falling here.


How about people take a couple chill pills and realize this is our new Front Office's first year here, and if you expect them to take the superbowl the first year you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. I have more faith in Shanahan & Allen than I do most of you armchair GMs on this board.

[Dan T.]

:rotflmao:

[terrifNick21]

Good lord. I'm just going to stop coming here after losses.

[Skinzfever2010]

Wow the sky is falling here.


How about people take a couple chill pills and realize this is our new Front Office's first year here, and if you expect them to take the superbowl the first year you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. I have more faith in Shanahan & Allen than I do most of you armchair GMs on this board.

Joey Galloway starting ?

Kemo?

3-4 ?

Benching D-mac after you traded two picks for him. Signing 2 old running backs just to cut them. My faith is wavering fast. I'm sorry if I'm being honest.

Hail!

[fwo40]

What the ****? Does no one remember the Gibbs offense?

Yikes. I mean c'mon the issue under Gibbs was QB and OL same as it is now. To suggest he'd step in and fix everything in one season. I mean...damn...

[authentic]

:ols:, lets bring Gibbs back. In fact, instead of Shanny addressing the press @ 3pm, lets get Joe do it in his place. Yeah, good thread... :rolleyes:

[LD0506]

Honesty would require a lot of people to post "I'm upset we are not sweeping league and I will hold my breath 'til I turn blue if the team doesn't do what I say!!"

Honesty + knowing what you're talking about = a good thing

Honesty + cluelessness = a bad thing

[Skinzfever2010]

What the ****? Does no one remember the Gibbs offense?

Yikes. I mean c'mon the issue under Gibbs was QB and OL same as it is now. To suggest he'd step in and fix everything in one season. I mean...damn...

I think if Sean didn't get killed Joe & Greg would have stayed and drafted o-line in 2008. We would have been a stronger team heading into 2008. You guys can crucify me all you want.

Coach Shanahan might have just sealed his fate here benching the QB he traded the house for.

Hail!

[Boss_Hogg]

Good lord. I'm just going to stop coming here after losses.

same here

[Brown 43]

WOULD YOU STOP! IT's ONE GAME!

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6-10

That's what I thought. So who did you want to clean up that mess?

[Skinzfever2010]

Yesterday wasn't the average loss. Yesterday Coach Shanahan outdid himself benching our best player on offense.


I would have benched 84 before I benched 5. Seriously Mike? You benched McNabb?

Hail!

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

I am old enough to remember Gibbs when he was wearing tall and foamy hats with huge glasses and winning super bowls. Gibbs 2.0 was no where even close to that. He also picked Jason Campbell as the QB of the future. This is season one under an entire new staff, new players, new scheme. We were 4-12 last year. It will take some time to fix what has been a broken organization for 10+ years.

[rockfan7224]

lmao!! this is worse than after the rams game. people have legit jumped the looney bin.

[Airman67]

Joey Galloway starting ?

Kemo?

3-4 ?

Benching D-mac after you traded two picks for him. Signing 2 old running backs just to cut them. My faith is wavering fast. I'm sorry if I'm being honest.

Hail!

Your faith may be "wavering" but so is your common sense. It's been 8 FREAKIN" GAMES! What did you really expect to happen?

This coach has made so many personnel decisions because he is trying to find the right chemistry and the right players for the right jobs. Give them some time to find what works. Would you rather have Zorn back her, using the same losers day in and day out, and never making a personnel change?

You people are insane!

[brianm23]

I love Gibbs 1.0, but I absolutely despise Gibbs 2.0 in terms of coaching. If anything, he set this franchise further back with the bone headed moves (and picks) he made during his tenure. No, Gibbs couldn't turn this **** around, but I assure you Shanny will.

Also, the fact you guys expect a 4-12 team to suddenly become Super Bowl contenders (because we are overachieving on a few games) pretty much makes you morons. The cold hard reality of things is that we are a 4-12 talent team and it's going to take time. Stop putting your value on our players so high, and start looking at things with some common sense.

I'm thrilled to be 4-4 at this point. Absolutely thrilled.

[fwo40]

But Sean did get killed. I mean if we want to change history, let's put them in the Superbowl every year.

So you want to imagine we'd be in great shape with Gibbs here. Fine.

Why not just imagine that things might be better in say season 2, than they are after 8 games under Shanny. I mean I think people's expectations for this season were out of control. We were a 4 win team last year, we could easily double that total in one season.

[Annonymous Source]

There is only one man who can clean this mess up...

CHUCK NORRIS

[Airman67]

Yesterday wasn't the average loss. Yesterday Coach Shanahan outdid himself benching our best player on offense.


I would have benched 84 before I benched 5. Seriously Mike? You benched McNabb?

Hail!

Did you ever think that he was benched to save his life? McNabb was getting the hell beat out of him. We had no chance at winning that game...ZERO...not with that weak offensive line. So why leave McNabb in there to get his head crushed. Pull him out and throw Rex in there.

[terrifNick21]

Joey Galloway starting ?

Kemo?

3-4 ?

Benching D-mac after you traded two picks for him. Signing 2 old running backs just to cut them. My faith is wavering fast. I'm sorry if I'm being honest.

Hail!

:ols:

Who else could they have signed?

You can only sign players that are free agents.

Had they traded picks for a WR like Vincent Jackson, people would be bitching about getting rid of the picks.

Just because you sign a player doesn't mean they're going to work out.

Your faith my be "wavering" as you say, but I'm going to remain patient and know that it can only get better and I believe it will. A few coaching/GM/player moves isn't going to make this a Super Bowl caliber team after one year. It takes time.

Be patient.

[Rocket442Olds]

Joey Galloway starting ?

Kemo?

3-4 ?

Benching D-mac after you traded two picks for him. Signing 2 old running backs just to cut them. My faith is wavering fast. I'm sorry if I'm being honest.

Hail!
Well then, you tell me your master plan that gets 22 all-star caliber players on the field at once with only 7 months to do it.

I liked Gibbs his second go around, but I also like Shanahan.

Joey Galloway is starting because we have no one better behind him at the moment. You all think Austin should get called up and he's going to be DeSean Jackson after 8 weeks of being on a practice squad. Again, I'll believe in the coaching staff before you, but then again maybe you're much better at evaluating talent than the entire staff. if thats the case I'd consider putting an application in and letting them know that you know all their problems and every solution to them.

3-4 is still a Work In Progress. Sure its going to take some time and to think it wouldn't is insanity.

They benched him for the end of a game, not the season, so these "two picks" are irrelevant.



We could also focus on the good he's done.

He signed 2 WR's who are a couple of the bright spots on our team (Armstrong and Banks), he drafted Trent Williams who looks like he's got a great future. Haslett took LaRon Landry and made him play where he's best. Our Defense is getting quite a few takeaways to keep us in games as much as you may hate the 3-4, its causing pressure.

[The Tris]

Not that this thread deserves a logical response, but the man to not trade picks for veterans is not Joe Gibbs.

In 4 years we had a TOTAL of one 2nd rounder, one 3rd rounder, and one 4th rounder. 3 out of a normal 12 mid round picks.

[Airman67]

I think if Sean didn't get killed Joe & Greg would have stayed and drafted o-line in 2008. We would have been a stronger team heading into 2008. You guys can crucify me all you want.

Coach Shanahan might have just sealed his fate here benching the QB he traded the house for.

Hail!

Stupidest comment ever!!!

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. :rolleyes:

Shanahan did what he needed to do and what he felt was right. You might not like his decision, but rest assured, little Danny Snyder has already been told why he was taken out of the game and fully agrees with it.

[Skinzfever2010]

:ols:

Who else could they have signed?

You can only sign players that are free agents.

Had they traded picks for a WR like Vincent Jackson, people would be bitching about getting rid of the picks.

Just because you sign a player doesn't mean they're going to work out.

Your faith my be "wavering" as you say, but I'm going to remain patient and know that it can only get better and I believe it will. A few coaching/GM/player moves isn't going to make this a Super Bowl caliber team after one year. It takes time.

Be patient.

T.O., TJ, > Joey Galloway

I don't remember Gibbs 1. My memory starts with Norv Turner. I'm sorry I didn't get the privileged to grow up during our golden era. I don't care if you all crucify me. Coach Shanahan has been making some really foolish decisions since hes been here (Roydell Williams & Wille Parker come to mind).

Hail!

[Riggo-toni]

Rabach was signed by Gibbs. All the OL draft picks under Gibbs 2.0 were busts, as were all the other offensive draft picks not named Cooley. If you'd said we need Gregg Williams back, I'd agree. If we'd replaced Gibbs w/GW we'd be a top Nfc contender now.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I still believe we have the next best thing to Coach Gibbs coaching this team right now. A man out of the Gibbs mould of hard work and old school ethics.

Through all the doom and gloom, and his decisions yesterday deserve serious questioning; one thing that can't be overlooked is the turnaround in attitude and professionalism that's turned a league wide National laughing stock into contenders every game they play. All with a VERY average group of players he has had to make do with thanks to years and years of mismanagement leaving him with both a piss poor roster to inherit; little draft picks to work with; and no talent worth mentioning that he could trade for extra picks.

If he's gotten this group to .500 at half-way; beating far more talented teams in the process and taking a Texans team that could still become this years Saints and last year's SB runner-up Colts to the wire; just imagine what Coach Mike and his staff will achieve when they actually have talent worthy of the name at their disposal.

Hail.

[terrifNick21]

T.O., TJ, > Joey Galloway

I don't remember Gibbs 1. My memory starts with Norv Turner. I'm sorry I didn't get the privileged to grow up during our golden era. I don't care if you all crucify me. Coach Shanahan has been making some really foolish decisions since hes been here (Roydell Williams & Wille Parker come to mind).

Hail!


You must not have an avid memory of Terrell Owens? He can still play, but there's also a huge chance that he'd cause trouble in the locker room. He's a Bengal anyway. How's that working out for them?

Houshmandzadeh's got less than 10 catches this year. He's an old, slow receiver. No thanks.


Name a coach that HASN'T made a "foolish" decision before.


Don't worry...I'll wait.

[Maximus71]

Chuck Norris?

[Skinzfever2010]

I still believe we have the next best thing to Coach Gibbs coaching this team right now. A man out of the Gibbs mould of hard work and old school ethics.

Through all the doom and gloom, and his decisions yesterday deserve serious questioning; one thing that can't be overlooked is the turnaround in attitude and professionalism that's turned a league wide National laughing stock into contenders every game they play. All with a VERY average group of players he has had to make do with thanks to years and years of mismanagement leaving him with both a piss poor roster to inherit; little draft picks to work with; and no talent worth mentioning that he could trade for extra picks.

If he's gotten this group to .500 at half-way; beating far more talented teams in the process and taking a Texans team that could still become this years Saints and last year's SB runner-up Colts to the wire; just imagine what Coach Mike and his staff will achieve when they actually have talent worthy of the name at their disposal.

Hail.

Thanks for not cutting my head off. As I stated earlier I didn't get to see or live through any of our golden years. I was born into the Norv Turner era. The only time I really enjoyed watching the skins was when Coach Gibbs was here. We weren't perfect but things were headed in the right direction.

I hope Coach Shanahan can get it together. I want to believe. I just need a reason to keep the faith. When he benched McNabb yesterday I started loosing it again.

Hail!

[brianm23]

Rabach was signed by Gibbs. All the OL draft picks under Gibbs 2.0 were busts, as were all the other offensive draft picks not named Cooley. If you'd said we need Gregg Williams back, I'd agree. If we'd replaced Gibbs w/GW we'd be a top Nfc contender now.

No we wouldn't because we would STILL lack the talent needed to win consistently.

[terrifNick21]

Chuck Norris?

Tim Tebow. ;)

[Bat~man]

WHat I don't understand is how people bang on what he did this offseason like there was much of an option out there. Sign 2 old RBs... yea...but who would YOU have signed? Kept Betts? No thanks, Maybe draft one and not trade McNabb but keep JC? No thanks... Keep this defense EXACTLY like it was last year? NO THANKS... stop acting like our D was all world the last few years...

Imagine this offense with last years defense....one that didn't get turnovers... we would have lost 1-2 more games EASY. It's definitely a work in progress which is what some boneheads can't seem to get in their head...but this defense gives our offense MORE chances to score with MORE possessions...but yet our offense still sucks! WE NEED o-linemen...which will take TIME to get... there was next to NOTHING available to us this offseason and we had very few draft picks...

So again, what would YOU have done? gimmie a break

[Bat~man]

Rabach was signed by Gibbs. All the OL draft picks under Gibbs 2.0 were busts, as were all the other offensive draft picks not named Cooley. If you'd said we need Gregg Williams back, I'd agree. If we'd replaced Gibbs w/GW we'd be a top Nfc contender now.

HIghly doubt that.... there is a reason why GW is still not a head coach again. Does a lot of good things on defense but he NEEDS an offense liek the saints have to be successful...one that can score on turnovers and one that knows what to do in situations like that. I would say if our offense steps up ...this time next year people will love Hasslett much more...he is straight up getting what we have been lacking....turnovers! Our offense just sucks so we get jack from it

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Thanks for not cutting my head off. As I stated earlier I didn't get to see or live through any of our golden years. I was born into the Norv Turner era. The only time I really enjoyed watching the skins was when Coach Gibbs was here. We weren't perfect but things were headed in the right direction.

I hope Coach Shanahan can get it together. I want to believe. I just need a reason to keep the faith. When he benched McNabb yesterday I started loosing it again.

Hail!

Don't mention it bud.

I totally hear ya' as regards a longing for Coach. He is and always will be the most important man this organization's ever had. I could eulogize but I'd be here for ever such is the utmost respect I have for that man. On and off the football field. Some of the utter crap that's written about his second go around is embarrassing to read, often from a lot of older fans who should know WAY better.

But that boat's sailed for the last time, and now we're moving forward with a man whom I believe is of a very similar character in lots of ways to the great man. Like I said previous, he deserves all the questioning he's gona' get over yesterday, and I'm really hoping on reflection he holds his hands up today and says "hey, I had a gut feeling on Grossman and it backfired. My mistake, no one else's. We learn from it and move on" or words to that effect, instead of the embarrassing cover-up he compounded the McNabb decision by after the game; but all in all we've got a real good one in place.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Particularly when it had been so badly mismanaged it had rotted to it's very core.

Hail.

[THEREALTOR1]

http://www.thefightins.com/wp-content/images_05_08/chamomiles/winston_wolf.jpg

[Skinzfever2010]

Don't mention it bud.

I totally hear ya' as regards a longing for Coach. He is and always will be the most important man this organization's ever had. I could eulogize but I'd be here for ever such is the utmost respect I have for that man. On and off the football field. Some of the utter crap that's written about his second go around is embarrassing to read, often from a lot of older fans who should know WAY better.

But that boat's sailed for the last time, and now we're moving forward with a man whom I believe is of a very similar character in lots of ways to the great man. Like I said previous, he deserves all the questioning he's gona' get over yesterday, and I'm really hoping on reflection he holds his hands up today and says "hey, I had a gut feeling on Grossman and it backfired. My mistake, no one else's. We learn from it and move on" or words to that effect, instead of the embarrassing cover-up he compounded the McNabb decision by after the game; but all in all we've got a real good one in place.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Particularly when it had been so badly mismanaged it had rotted to it's very core.

Hail.

That made me feel better. Thanks for keeping it in perspective for me. I honestly turned the TV off feeling numb when I watched Rex Grossman come into the game. I hope things get better.

Hail!

[Horton_Predator48]

WOW, 8 games in and already calling it quits. Step back from the ledge. We have 8 more games and the Skins aren't going to win them all. You may want to prepare yourself.

[texasthunder]

Another one star thread after a loss.

[Skinzfever2010]

WHat I don't understand is how people bang on what he did this offseason like there was much of an option out there. Sign 2 old RBs... yea...but who would YOU have signed? Kept Betts? No thanks, Maybe draft one and not trade McNabb but keep JC? No thanks... Keep this defense EXACTLY like it was last year? NO THANKS... stop acting like our D was all world the last few years...

Imagine this offense with last years defense....one that didn't get turnovers... we would have lost 1-2 more games EASY. It's definitely a work in progress which is what some boneheads can't seem to get in their head...but this defense gives our offense MORE chances to score with MORE possessions...but yet our offense still sucks! WE NEED o-linemen...which will take TIME to get... there was next to NOTHING available to us this offseason and we had very few draft picks...

So again, what would YOU have done? gimmie a break

I would have signed a different center (Kevin Mawae,
Chris Morris)

I would have signed LT (best free agent OLD RB) to compete with CP

I would have drafted straight O-line

I would have brought TO in @ WR. (TO hasn't been a head case since he left Philly)

On Defense

I would have handled the situation with 92 in a completely different way

Signed OJ Atogwe, moved LaRon to SS

Ran the 4-3 until we acquired enough players to begin the 3-4 transition

Artis Hicks (ok)

Larry Johnson
(gone)
Ma'ake Kemoeatu
(sucks)
Rex Grossman
(sucks)
Josh Bidwell ( ?)

Phillip Buchanon (he is ok)

Donovan McNabb (Best player on Offense)

[Skinz248]

Good lord. I'm just going to stop coming here after losses.

agreed!!! this place is horrible after a loss

[BryanS]

Good lord. I'm just going to stop coming here after losses.

+1 me too

[thebluefood]

As much as I love the coach...he's doing his own thing right now. Before him, we had three other head coaches who made this team respectable (though one died after his first year here) and I'm sure we'll be able to find another one if Shanahan doesn't work out.

[81+83+84=Posse]

I would have signed a different center (Kevin Mawae,
Chris Morris)

I would have signed LT (best free agent OLD RB) to compete with CP

I would have drafted straight O-line

I would have brought TO in @ WR. (TO hasn't been a head case since he left Philly)

On Defense

I would have handled the situation with 92 in a completely different way

Signed OJ Atogwe, moved LaRon to SS

Ran the 4-3 until we acquired enough players to begin the 3-4 transition

Artis Hicks (ok)

Larry Johnson
(gone)
Ma'ake Kemoeatu
(sucks)
Rex Grossman
(sucks)
Josh Bidwell ( ?)

Phillip Buchanon (he is ok)

Donovan McNabb (Best player on Offense)

Is that you Vinny Cerrato?

[Skinzfever2010]

Is that you Vinny Cerrato?

Vinny would have traded picks for V.Jax or to Oakland for their starting running back. I wouldn't have made any trades.

Allot of the players I mentioned would be filler until the 2011 draft!

Hail!

[Chicken Fried]

Joey Galloway starting ? Not many options, and he still has speed.


Kemo?Again, who else was he going to get in one offseason?


3-4 ?Most dominant scheme in the NFL. We're not made to run it now. It will take another year or two. Relax.


Benching D-mac after you traded two picks for him. Signing 2 old running backs just to cut them. My faith is wavering fast. I'm sorry if I'm being honest.The OL was terrible, but McNabb was equally bad. Are you going to leave in a guy just because you traded a lot for him despite the fact he might have been hurting the offense's production with horrible accuracy and seeming confusion? We signed the two running backs for competition. Neither of them were good enough. That's what every team in the NFL does.

Hail![/QUOTE]

[skins island connection]

Gibbs1 was a young, inventive coach, who could understand what was going on in the minds of players, and moreso take the strong points a player has, and utilize them. Gibbs was fully aware of the way the game was played, and understood how to create mismatches, along with a single back offense which had receivers jumping up for balls, and dedicating themselves to playing the game the way it was supposed to be played. It was different to teams, and they just didn't know how to stop it.
Gibbs2 was operating under the same ideals, only thing is, his form of play designs and strategies were copied after he first left, and have been run and tweeked, so it was nothing new to the rest of the league. Philosophies he had were copied, and coupled with free agency and the league turning into a " me me" league instead of a team, the game had changed too much for Gibbs to handle.
Look at New England; good QB, and mostly average players on the team; attitude and a desire to win vs money can be easily distinguished.
To be ironic, the one who can make some difference is actually Snyder; just say no to players wanting big money to come here, and find players who want to play, not be paid...

[Skinzfever2010]

Gibbs1 was a young, inventive coach, who could understand what was going on in the minds of players, and moreso take the strong points a player has, and utilize them. Gibbs was fully aware of the way the game was played, and understood how to create mismatches, along with a single back offense which had receivers jumping up for balls, and dedicating themselves to playing the game the way it was supposed to be played. It was different to teams, and they just didn't know how to stop it.
Gibbs2 was operating under the same ideals, only thing is, his form of play designs and strategies were copied after he first left, and have been run and tweeked, so it was nothing new to the rest of the league. Philosophies he had were copied, and coupled with free agency and the league turning into a " me me" league instead of a team, the game had changed too much for Gibbs to handle.
Look at New England; good QB, and mostly average players on the team; attitude and a desire to win vs money can be easily distinguished.
To be ironic, the one who can make some difference is actually Snyder; just say no to players wanting big money to come here, and find players who want to play, not be paid...

Tom Brady ?

Deon Branch ?

Wes Welker ?

average?

[Slacky McSlackAss]

Good lord. I'm just going to stop coming here after losses.

Nah, I like coming here for the comedic and moronic threads like this one. All the laughing I do makes dealing with the loss a little bit easier.

[skins island connection]

Tom Brady ?

Deon Branch ?

Wes Welker ?

average?
Well, I did mention the QB as being good, and Welker is a pretty good receiver who is QUICK and AGILE on his feet. Deon, well he was let go by the Pats, went to where, Seattle maybe? then re-signs with the Pats, but you get what I'm saying. FTR, the arguement could be made with Santana Moss; he looks average, but if he were in New England, he would be lighting it up.

[Redskins4ever]

I doubt if things are as bad as people are making it out to seem. The Redskins are competitive. They could easily be 6-2 instead of 4-4. They have to get better on the right side of the OL. McNabb is still the starter. Torain pulled a hamstring yesterday, No one is talking about Calvin Johnson owning DeAngelo Hall yesterday. Johnson is a big, physical WR and D. Hall just couldn't stop him,. Artis Hicks, and Stephen Heyer both played pitifully on the right side of the offensive line. While the team should be 6-2, 4-4 truly isn't bad. I always said that this team will finish 9-7 anyway.

[Hunter_R]

I seem to remember Gibbs getting some kind of record for blown first-half-leads when he came back (which he never should have done). He was clearly passed his prime.

[zskins]

there is only one man who can clean this mess up...

Chuck norris


Colt Brennan!!! :D