Mike Shanahan's Press Conference to be delayed

[goflyhelo]

FYI... Mike Shanahan's Press Conference to be delayed to 3:45pm.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

still trying to come up with a better reason for bringing grossman into the game. lol

[SoulRebel]

Thanks for the heads up

[Dukes and Skins]

Just so I'm positive we can stream the press conference live right?

[Thirtyfive2seven]

still trying to come up with a better reason for bringing grossman into the game. lol

LOL. It may be delayed until after the Eagles game in that case.

BTW, where can I watch it? On tv or online?

[SoulRebel]

still trying to come up with a better reason for bringing grossman into the game. lol

probably that combined with hoping that a longer wait will pacify the reporters into hurrying up the presser so they can get out before traffic gets too bad.

[RyansRangers]

prob benching mcnabb and starting rex grossman after the bye..

[goflyhelo]

Watch it live here:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_com_LIVE_Press_Conference_19488.jsp

[The Tris]

Probably just heard that Randy Moss was released and now realizes that has not made the worst trade of the NFL season. Well played, Belichick, well played.

[Homercles82]

still trying to come up with a better reason for bringing grossman into the game. lol

McNabb's poor performance isn't enough?

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Watch it live here:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_com_LIVE_Press_Conference_19488.jsp

Thanks

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Probably just heard that Randy Moss was released and now realizes that has not made the worst trade of the NFL season. Well played, Belichick, well played.

what???

[The Tris]

Aaaaand, there's the "should we" thread.

[RyansRangers]

exactly........ his horribly underthrown balls the one hoppers.. NEVER leading recievers... cant throw the dump off anymore.........throws into triple coverage....

[Thirtyfive2seven]

McNabb's poor performance isn't enough?

No. Pro Bowl quarterback vs. Grossman who hasn't even thrown a pass all this season let alone only 9 last season. That reason is just not good enough.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

exactly........ his horribly underthrown balls the one hoppers.. NEVER leading recievers... cant throw the dump off anymore.........throws into triple coverage....
Were you one of the people that supported Jason Campbell? Just wondering.

[IrepDC]

Aaaaand, there's the "should we" thread.

hahaha

[HOF44]

Maybe deciding if Moss makes it to us on waivers wether we pick him up or pass.

[Tweedr01]

Maybe deciding if Moss makes it to us on waivers wether we pick him up or pass.

I know it's kind of a stretch, but yeah, I definitely think this may be why the conference is delayed. No reason for Shanahan not to do the presser as scheduled unless something big comes up.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

its delayed cause they wanna get moss his new jersey ready for the press conference. lol

[goflyhelo]

http://www.redskins.com/media/redskinsParkStream.jsp

[terpskins10]

I was under the impression that "vested veterans" don't have to go through the waiver process and can sign with anyone once released. Can someone clear that up?

[U C S D SkinsFan]

shanny is BSing right now wow he claims he made the decision BEFORE the game to bench donovan in case we needed to run the 2 min offense

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Mike saying that he'd decided before the game that if we were in that situation Rex would play.

But he didn't tell Donovan.

[Ahmayzin]

Dag I cant listen...itsd not playing

[SendTheHouse]

Did he just say something about cardiovascular issues with McNabb?

I just can't put my finger on why Shanny doesn't think D.Mac is capable of calling more than 1 play in the huddle.

[alleycat]

Jesus...He is diggin in !

[MartyMcfly]

So Rex would be better than Donovan even though he hadn't practiced the two minute offense? He is not making a good case for his decision right now. I don't buy that it was a move made because Donovan was out of shape

[DGREENHULK]

If anyone wants to update with some of Shannys comments that would be awesome guys. Maybe Shanny is on his way to Minn to pickup Moss hahahha

[askounes]

Shanny's not doing a very good job of lying at the moment.

[alleycat]

Sat him cuz DM hadnt practiced the 2 min drill....


"Has Grossman practiced it ?" Shanny...."No"

[Ahmayzin]

Yes please post his comments while y'all listen for those of us who cant get the feed.

THX

[goflyhelo]

Why can't he be honest with us... just say you messed up.

[purbeast]

i swear he just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper and deeper...

[SendTheHouse]

Shanny is just saying that he based his decision to put Rex in on 2 minute offense on the fact that he feels Donovan isn't physically or mentally capable of doing it..

That's what I got out of it.

[MonkFan8]

McNabb ran the 2 min (in that case it was 30s) just before half perfectly fine.

Really worried about our coaching staff.

[Sekhmet728]

Were you one of the people that supported Jason Campbell? Just wondering.

The people who supported Jason Campbell and blamed our problems mostly on the O-line look really good right now. Just sayin'

[Boss_Hogg]

claims McNabb was not physically able to run the 2-minute drill.

still smells like BS

[Ahmayzin]

Why not just say "Hey, I screwed up..." and keep it moving? lol

[alleycat]

Recap...

Shanny is sticking to his guns.



This is the first time I am embarrassed this season.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Did he just say something about cardiovascular issues with McNabb?

I just can't put my finger on why Shanny doesn't think D.Mac is capable of calling more than 1 play in the huddle.

That isn't what Shanny is saying; HE is saying McNabb has a contusion, hammy and a quad injury and he didn't think McNabb should play at all - and had decided if there was a 2 minute drill - Grossman would play that for the cardio and quickness needed for the hustle of NO TIME OUTS. Shanny also stated McNabb decided to play this game, although Shanny thought he should sit it out DUE TO HIS Injuries. No more / no less.

[MartyMcfly]

If anyone wants to update with some of Shannys comments that would be awesome guys. Maybe Shanny is on his way to Minn to pickup Moss hahahha

Shanny saying that because Donovan didn't practice all week because of a hamstring injury, he didn't feel confident in Donovan's conditioning, which he feels is important in handling the 2 minute drill.

[goflyhelo]

How can you NOT practice your two minute drill????

[rockfan7224]

That isn't what Shanny is saying; HE is saying McNabb has a contusion, hammy and a quad injury and he didn't think McNabb should play at all - and had decided if there was a 2 minute drill - Grossman would play that for the cardio and quickness needed for the hustle of NO TIME OUTS.

Thats what i was hearing

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Shanny is focusing on the physical aspect more than anything.

I guess the injuries to both of his hamstrings and his quad were more serious than we really knew.

Seems like he was worried about McNabb being in good enough shape considering that the lingering injuries have made it so that DMac had gotten out of shape.

[Boss_Hogg]

claims Rex never practices the two minute drill either

[BleedinBurgNGold]

Cardiovascular issues!!???

The man Ran like 40+ yards on ONE play!
Good God, Mike.

[lavar1156]

Someone better ask him about Dockery.

[SendTheHouse]

Shannahan also said that he and McNabb had a conversation at the begining of the week about him not playing on Sunday. Grossman also hasn't practiced the 2 minute offense. Rex works in the 3rd down packages and no huddles @ practices. "He ran it in Houston last year"..

He feels "comfortable" with Rex running the 2 minute..

'Not surprised' @ the offensive inconsistency- unhappy more points haven't been scored.

[Saqs]

McNabb ran the 2 min (in that case it was 30s) just before half perfectly fine.

Really worried about our coaching staff.
I wish someone would point that out to him.

[kwitt]

Apparently McNabb is out of shape?

[Skinzfever2010]

i swear he just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper and deeper...

Yeah he deff has an ego problem. He won't admit that was dumb.

[redskins55]

This guy Shanahan just said that he made the decision to go with Grossman BEFORE the game if the Redskins were in a 2 minute situation without timeouts. Then he said he did not inform McNabb of his decision.. WTF???

He's digging himself into a deeper hole! What a bunch of BS! I was on the Shanahan bandwaggon defending him for all the speculation with him early in the season But now I question every decision made previously. Haynesworth, Larry Johnson, Devin Thomas, EVERYTHING!

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

Maybe deciding if Moss makes it to us on waivers wether we pick him up or pass.

Bingo. Could be a coincidence, but I greedily hope not.

[Boss_Hogg]

Cardiovascular issues!!???

The man Ran like 40+ yards on ONE play!
Good God, Mike.

I wish one of those mediots would bring this up

[rockfan7224]

He just reaffirmed his confidence in McNabb. Everyone can :stfu: hahaha

[GaryGreenMonk]

sounded like a lot of BS'ing to me.

[armada58]

Hopefully he needed the extra time to put in the waiver claim on Randy Moss

[Boss_Hogg]

just said Donovan is the franchise QB

[askounes]

He needs to say, "I had a gut feeling to try something different, and it didn't work out. Coaches make mistakes sometimes."

Case closed.

I mean I don't mind that he's lying, he's just DOING IT WRONG.

[alleycat]

His hammy and his conditioning doesnt affect being able to understand 2 plays at a time in the headset....

He is calling him out. THAT...is what I am hearing

[MartyMcfly]

It seems more and more like the benching was a panic move. Surprising coming from Shanahan

[Sekhmet728]

Hopefully he needed the extra time to put in the waiver claim on Randy Moss

He's got 24 hours to do that. Maybe he was so excited he needed to change his pants?

[1972FAN]

How about, who cares, we lost, move on. McNabb is starting against the Eagles, next~

[SendTheHouse]

It seems more and more like the benching was a panic move. Surprising coming from Shanahan

Not really a panic move. He said that he had already made the decision to use Rex in the 2 minute IF we had no T.O's left. Surprise to McNabb.

[rockfan7224]

Not really a panic move. He said that he had already made the decision to use Rex in the 2 minute IF we had no T.O's left. Surprise to McNabb.

I could see why. Its one more thing that McNabb doesn't need to be concerned about

[DGREENHULK]

Why didn't Shanny bring up the Hammy after the game.....answer he made it up 5 minutes before he took the stage....

[ConnSKINS26]

His hammy and his conditioning doesnt affect being able to understand 2 plays at a time in the headset....

He is calling him out. THAT...is what I am hearing

Because, like most fans on ES, you're hearing what you want to hear.

[rockfan7224]

Because, like most fans on ES, you're hearing what you want to hear.

I like that he's sticking to his guns

[MartyMcfly]

Not really a panic move. He said that he had already made the decision to use Rex in the 2 minute IF we had no T.O's left. Surprise to McNabb.

Why not tell McNabb? Why put Rex in without him practicing the 2 minute drill? Seem like pretty bad excuses IMHO

[alleycat]

YEah...It's JUST ES folks who consider all this BS....

Great catch Connskin

[Mooka]

Ask him something else. Please.

ughh....

[THEREALTOR1]

Because, like most fans on ES, you're hearing what you want to hear.

:ols:

I was just about to post that I must be listening to a different press conference than some of the people in this thread. Talk about selective hearing :)

[thecardiacrll]

McNabb's poor performance isn't enough? You cant be serious do you see how bad our O-line is playing...I really believe Donovan with this o-line is the best QB we can have better than Manning or Brady. dont get me wrong I think Brady and Manning are better qb's but they would get destroyed behind this O-line where as McNabb actually escapes sacks and makes plays...He really didnt have a horrible game yesterday considering he got hit litterally 3 out of every 4 times he dropped back. This was a terrible coaching decision they basically told the team with a game on the line they do not trust our starting qb. This town loves the qb contraversy and I dont understand it I mean people comparing McNabb to Grosman are you serious you might as well resign Heath Shuler and have him start it will be exactly the same if Grossman starts.

[rockfan7224]

See. He was hurting

[adam@section118]

Why not tell McNabb? Why put Rex in without him practicing the 2 minute drill? Seem like pretty bad excuses IMHO

He just answered that.

He said that his hope was this situation never came up, and if it does not there is nothing to talk about

(I disagree with the answer, but I like it. I would rather he be informed)

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

I hope there are metal detectors at the doors, if Shanny is packing could get ugly for the media....move on

[redskins55]

Coach just said he didnt tell McNabb because he "hoped" we wouldn't get into a 2 minute situation. HELLO.. we've been in a 2 minute situation every game the entire season! :ols:

[goflyhelo]

He just said Kory is better than Dockery... "simple as that".

[alleycat]

Cory has been playing " Very Well"

WHat should ES dummies hear in that ?

[Ahmayzin]

Hey all...just sit on this (what was speculated on one of the local radio stations).....apparently it seems this was all a scheme to take the target off of K.S. back. It's no mystery the OC is sucking hamster pebbles right now.

just something to ponder on....carry on

HAIL!!!

[rockfan7224]

No tear with Torain. MRI good

[Boss_Hogg]

says Kory Lichensteiger is playing well, no answer to the Dockery question

[adam@section118]

Wow, a few of these guys are really going hard re the QB situation.

Good for them, and I agree with whoever said it earlier in this thread. He should just say "I made a bad decision. We are all allowed mistakes" and quit making crap up

It is like he is insulting our intenigence as fans, when he could just say "My bad, this one is on me, lets move on"

[kwitt]

I am not buying a single word coming out of his mouth.

[SendTheHouse]

"Moss is at our facility right now" HAHA....

"We're always looking at the best scenario to help our football team win. So we'll take a look at Randy"..

[rockfan7224]

hahahahaha. Shanahan pulled a funny. Randy Moss Waived. "He's in our facility now"

[adam@section118]

Who is the reporter that keeps stuttering? Some good questions, but I could barely hear him (maybe he wasnt miked up properly or something)

[lavar1156]

Shanny def wants Randy, lol.

[Boss_Hogg]

randy moss question...

Shanny said "they are always looking for the best player and scenario to help the team."

[alleycat]

He said "Well...Very well "

[goflyhelo]

Any interst in Moss? We are always looking....

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Shanny said Randy Moss is in the building ;)

[adam@section118]

That was funny.

Good news on the injury front, that is at least nice to hear

[D'KanSkinFan]

I think Shanny is explaining it the best way he knows how; without saying McNabb was the ONE that was playing hurt an perhaps him not sitting his feet (as Shanny pointed out to McNabb in their early last week meeting) - and with the runs McNabb made yesterday and the 7 sacks he received - he was hurting - and WE as fans could see that on TV - he put Rex in because he wasn't playing hurt. McNabb hesitated and bounced around prior to running and wobbled ran. You can see that on the film.

It's over........McNabb is our starter - it's up to McNabb and Shanny to work it out.

He also said he would look at Moss........if it gave us a better chance to win, they would look at that.

Don't hear what isn't there and please quit hearing "subjectively".......... It's over - almost 24 hours over. Shanny is still the coach and McNabb is still the starting quarterback.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

says Kory Lichensteiger is playing well, no answer to the Dockery question

play him at center...why not

[lavar1156]

"I think Joey had done a good job."

[Ahmayzin]

Oh yea...I also heard we are talking with Dallas...since they are above us in the waivers....getting this hearsay...but it still sounds good..lol

[daklieb]

bwhahaha joeys done a good job...

[Boss_Hogg]

praising Joey Galloway...

[skinfan2k]

its a joke that there wasn't enough time. i have seen a number of qbs score Tds with 0 timeouts with 145 on the clock

[OWUeagleMD]

Does this mean this was the first time the Skins have had a two minute drill this season, either at the end of the first half or at the end of the game? It's hard to imagine this is the first time they've had a two-minute drill. Assuming they had one earlier this year, if Shanny thought Grossman was the better option, why didn't he go to him in that instance? Clearly McNabb didn't go backward in his understanding of the 2-minute drill terminology. That means earlier in the year, it would have been even more true that Rex just gave the team a better chance to succeed in a 2-minute drill than McNabb did.

Shannahan's logic creates an all-time 2-minute drill QB, sort of like a closer in baseball.

It was a terrible decision that he wasn't ready to stand by, so he made up an easily dismissable excuse. I'm ashamed for anyone who thinks there was even a shard of truth to Shannhan's silly, laughable explanation.

[adam@section118]

This is what I can remember from the PC


He said he made the decision before the game not to go with McNabb in a 2minute situation.

He did not tell McNabb this before the game.

Mentioned McNabb was having cardiovascular issues and had not practices the 2 minute drill in 5 weeks

Neither had Rex

Said Rex ran the system in Houston and knew how to call multiple plays at the line

He seriously questions if McNabb would play all week

McNabb is our QB of the future

Talked to McNabb today, also addressed the team

Said he knows the players read local papers and hear media, but he gave his reasoning (though very briefy) and just hopes they trust in him and his system

Kory is better then Dockery.

Torrain did not tear anything, I can not remember if he addressed anything else about the running game.

He made a joke when asked about Randy Moss. "Yeah, he is working out in our facility now"

We are always looking for the best player and scenario to help the team. Asked about character issues, Shanny said many things are considered when evaluating a player

He thinks Joey G. has done a good job

Ended with a hypothetical question about if Banks had taken the ball to the DET 20 yard line would Rex still have played.
No, because that is not a 2 minute drill.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

praising Joey Galloway...

give him a break, they share a subscription to "Seniors" magazine....

[MartyMcfly]

randy moss question...

Shanny said "they are always looking for the best player and scenario to help the team."

That's pretty much his standard answer. Hesitant to read too much into it.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i gotta ask a question, maybe this was explained in the presser:

why arent our QBs practicing the 2 minute drill?

[HapHaszard]

This may be late but a tweet from Rich Campbell - Shanahan: Injuries prevented McNabb from practicing the 2-min offense the last five weeks. Also, Rex hasn't practiced it recently

[SkinsFanPA]

Mentioned McNabb was having cardiovascular issues and had not practices the 2 minute drill in 5 weeks

Cardiovascular issues? What?

[Mooka]

I think Shanny is explaining it the best way he knows how; without saying McNabb was the ONE that was playing hurt an perhaps him not sitting his feet (as Shanny pointed out to McNabb in their early last week meeting) - and with the runs McNabb made yesterday and the 7 sacks he received - he was hurting - and WE as fans could see that on TV - he put Rex in because he wasn't playing hurt. McNabb hesitated and bounced around prior to running and wobbled ran. You can see that on the film. And half the team was questionable... :D That's all coach speak for... "I'm not going to answer your question."

McNabb played an entire half against the Colts hobbling around.

[thesubmittedone]

Wow, a few of these guys are really going hard re the QB situation.

Good for them, and I agree with whoever said it earlier in this thread. He should just say "I made a bad decision. We are all allowed mistakes" and quit making crap up

It is like he is insulting our intenigence as fans, when he could just say "My bad, this one is on me, lets move on"

Yeah, since so many of us fans are so intenigent, I mean, just look at the posts in this thread at how smart people are as well as their listening skills:
Shanny said Mcnabb is out of shape! Shanny is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself! Shanny is the worst, I question all his decisions now! He's done no good for us after this as far as I'm concerned! :rolleyes:

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

This may be late but a tweet from Rich Campbell - Shanahan: Injuries prevented McNabb from practicing the 2-min offense the last five weeks. Also, Rex hasn't practiced it recently

thank you.

[Boss_Hogg]

That's pretty much his standard answer. Hesitant to read too much into it.

I know, I was just recapping for the non-listeners.

[tiger187126]

Cardiovascular issues? What?

from what i could infer from what i heard it was more "he was out of shape from not practicing for the past few weeks"

i think it was a nicer way of putting it then making him run timed sprints. and i will admit he did look like he was sucking wind pretty hard, even after the three and outs. somewhere right now TO is cackling.

[DGREENHULK]

I wonder if Beck was getting all the 2 minute snaps? Or did Shanny just scrap that portion of practice for the last 5 weeks :doh:

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

This may be late but a tweet from Rich Campbell - Shanahan: Injuries prevented McNabb from practicing the 2-min offense the last five weeks. Also, Rex hasn't practiced it recently

Good Lord, so no one has been practicing the 2 minute offense??? Every freaking game seems to come down to the 2 minute drill. I am a little confused as to what injuries would prevent practicing the 2 minute drill, but allow you to get sacked 7 times and run for about 30 yards. Call me crazy.

[goflyhelo]

FYI... the Sports Reporters (Czaban & Pollin) on ESPN980 will interview Mike Shanahan in about 30 minutes.

Click here to listen: http://www.espn980.com/

[rumplestilskin]

I am satisfied with his answers. I trust in Shanahans ability as a coach to put this team where it has to be. We can let the well timed Randy Moss news take all the headlines now. Problem solved. A win at home against Philly and all the fickle fans can shut up for awhile (1-2 weeks) untill our next loss happens. Then sadly, the sky will once again fall.

[tiger187126]

I wonder if Beck was getting all the 2 minute snaps? Or did Shanny just scrap that portion of practice for the last 5 weeks :doh:

oh and small sidenote he said that grossman practiced it leading the practice squad for the simulated colts a few weeks ago and that he played in houston so he could process the verbiage quicker.

[rockfan7224]

Yeah, since so many of us fans are so intenigent, I mean, just look at the posts in this thread at how smart people are as well as their listening skills! Shanny is the worst, I question all his decisions now! He's done no good for us after this as far as I'm concerned! :rolleyes:

Screw that, if some people here were in control he'd already have been fired. haha

[HapHaszard]

give him a break, they share a subscription to "Seniors" magazine....

Excellent magazine :)

[Coach Janky Spanky]

He's digging himself into a deeper hole! What a bunch of BS! I was on the Shanahan bandwaggon defending him for all the speculation with him early in the season But now I question every decision made previously. Haynesworth, Larry Johnson, Devin Thomas, EVERYTHING!

This staff knows what they are doing. Yes yesterday may have been a mistake, although Shanahan's not going to admit it. But this is such a nice change from the inmates running the asylum.

And I wish people would stop talking about Devin Thomas as someone that Shanahan wanted to make an example of or something. Devin has done nothing with Carolina and from what I've heard on here, is having a hard time even sniffing the field. Trust the coaches a little bit. People were up in arms when we got rid of Marko Mitchell because he had a good preseason last year, but now he's not even in the NFL, or in any league!

[adam@section118]

i gotta ask a question, maybe this was explained in the presser:

why arent our QBs practicing the 2 minute drill?

He did address this.

He said becuase McNabb was hurt. I can not remember if/why Rex has not run it. I think he gave some reason about how he had run it in Houston and could call multiple plays.

He seemed really agitated when the questions kept coming, esp. when one reporter kind of called him out for not mentioning the injur thing yesterday.

He basically said it was game day and I play my cards close to my vest, but Coach was definitly called out by whoever that reporter is

[rockfan7224]

This staff knows what they are doing. Yes yesterday may have been a mistake, although Shanahan's not going to admit it. But this is such a nice change from the inmates running the asylum.

And I wish people would stop talking about Devin Thomas as someone that Shanahan wanted to make an example of or something. Devin has done nothing with Carolina and from what I've heard on here, is having a hard time even sniffing the field. Trust the coaches a little bit. People were up in arms when we got rid of Marko Mitchell because he had a good preseason last year, but now he's not even in the NFL, or in any league!

Exactly, do i dare even bring up Colt Brennan? dun dun dunnn

[D'KanSkinFan]

And half the team was questionable... :D That's all coach speak for... "I'm not going to answer your question."

McNabb played an entire half against the Colts hobbling around.

Now Mooka, you noted he said Cooley, Sellers -

McNabb, with a hammy, with contusion to the thigh PRIOR to the game - not counting the many he got IN THE GAME with all the sacks and being pulled down during his sprint - was playing hurt. He shouldn't have played the game. He should have sat this one out. A good one to set out. He didn't - praise him for that; but Shanny DIDN'T want anymore injury to McNabb (Shanny really respects this quarterback) so he pulled him and put in "what he thought would be the best chance DUE TO the quickness needed and the demand of the cardiovascular of a 2 minute drill in 1:45" Grossman- although neither quarterback had practiced the 2 minute drill without timeouts in 5 weeks.

I don't blame Mike S. nor do I blame McNabb or Grossman. But there is a Shanny I do question - he will have to prove to me that he has control of the Offense.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Now wonder McNabb keeps forcing the deep pass. He's clearly too knackered to run a normal 2 minute drill...

[thesubmittedone]

I am satisfied with his answers. I trust in Shanahans ability as a coach to put this team where it has to be. We can let the well timed Randy Moss news take all the headlines now. Problem solved. A win at home against Philly and all the fickle fans can shut up for awhile (1-2 weeks) untill our next loss happens. Then sadly, the sky will once again fall.

Agree, I just wish the Mods (who are doing a great job either way) would really lower the ban hammer on every single "sky is falling" thread/post made by anyone, I don't care who. It's getting tiring and ruining the board. In my mind, we should adopt a policy of no "sky is falling" threads/posts until we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. I think it's pretty easy to define and hone in on exactly what constitutes a "sky is falling" thread/post as well.

[adam@section118]

Yeah, since so many of us fans are so intenigent, I mean, just look at the posts in this thread at how smart people are as well as their listening skills:
Shanny said Mcnabb is out of shape! Shanny is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself! Shanny is the worst, I question all his decisions now! He's done no good for us after this as far as I'm concerned! :rolleyes:

Sorry, I apologize for having a typo as I am trying to also write a recap of the PC for fans who do not have access to it from work..

You mean to tell me after the HORRIBLE decision that very well may have cost us the game yesterday; you are going to fault fans for a Coach making a bad decision.

I sure as hell am not. I love that people are on him, and I hope he is twice as hard on his staff as fans are on him.

We are on EXTREMEskins. We are all geeky or nerdy enough to post on an internet forum, and we are FANATICS about this team. So yes, the season is going to be an emotional roller coaster.

That is one thing I like about ES. Sure people go off the deep end, but there are a LOT of intelligent, respectable posters here.

You simply disagreeing with someone does not mean they are incorrect, no matter how many roll eyes smilies you use

[clskinsfan]

Agree, I just wish the Mods (who are doing a great job either way) would really lower the ban hammer on every single "sky is falling" thread/post made by anyone, I don't care who. It's getting tiring and ruining the board. In my mind, we should adopt a policy of no "sky is falling" threads/posts until we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. I think it's pretty easy to define and hone in on exactly what constitutes a "sky is falling" thread/post as well.

I dont agree with the negative threads but give me a break. It is a message board. Where else are you supposed to voice your opinion. In my opinion, an over modded board is a worthless board.

[vigilante]

I feel as if Kyle Shanahan whispered to his dad to let Rex in the game, and Mike gave his son the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure they weren't too thrilled about McNabb's interception late in the game.

Now he's taking the heat for it.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Cardiovascular issues? What?

The demand of the 2 minute drill would impact a quarterbacks cardiovascular AS WELL as his leg muscles in the hustle/set/throw then hustle to the line and Shanny thought this would be injury upon insult for McNabb.

I think he truly was thinking of McNabb in this situation - he has high respect for McNabb and we as the fans as well as the MEDIA is exploding this into much ado about nothin.

Onto Randy Moss.......... ;)

[thesubmittedone]

Screw that, if some people here were in control he'd already have been fired. haha

And those same people would flip out if Snyder did the same, calling him extremely impatient and obsessively controlling!

You know why they'd do that? Because they're compulsive complainers. And the best thing ever for a compulsive complainer is an internet discussion board that provides the anonymity they crave while venting.

*waits for those compulsive complainers to call me self-righteous even though I said nothing of myself nor claimed perfection in anyway*

[rockfan7224]

And those same people would flip out if Snyder did the same, calling him extremely impatient and obsessively controlling!

You know why they'd do that? Because they're compulsive complainers. And the best thing ever for a compulsive complainer is an internet discussion board that provides the anonymity they crave while venting.

*waits for those compulsive complainers to call me self-righteous even though I said nothing of myself nor claimed perfection in anyway*

Haha, very true. Although, I must admit I've done my fair share of complaining but that was last season and this is this season.

[Pick6]

So did he say we signed Randy Moss yet? The game was yesterday, this week is the bye and then we have the Eagles for MNF. It is time to move forward and put the rest of the **** behind us.

[ConnSKINS26]

I feel as if Kyle Shanahan whispered to his dad to let Rex in the game, and Mike gave his son the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure they weren't too thrilled about McNabb's interception late in the game.

Now he's taking the heat for it.

Did you listen to the press conference, or do you just like speculating for the sake of speculating?

It was decided by Mike Shanahan BEFORE the game that if the 2-minute-drill-without-timeouts situation arose, it would be Grossman in the game. End of story.

[StillUnknown]

shanny dropped a nice load of bs at that presser

[DGREENHULK]

I won't call anyone out but for the ones or one that requested the MODS to ban all "the sky is falling posters"....I don't think questioning a coach for his actions should be considered that the sky is falling...I didn't see anyone here say they are changing teams or wanting Shanny fired over this move....calm down bro. Just because you believe in everything Shanny has said and done doesn't mean we all do.

[thesubmittedone]

Sorry, I apologize for having a typo as I am trying to also write a recap of the PC for fans who do not have access to it from work..

You mean to tell me after the HORRIBLE decision that very well may have cost us the game yesterday; you are going to fault fans for a Coach making a bad decision.

I sure as hell am not. I love that people are on him, and I hope he is twice as hard on his staff as fans are on him.

We are on EXTREMEskins. We are all geeky or nerdy enough to post on an internet forum, and we are FANATICS about this team. So yes, the season is going to be an emotional roller coaster.

That is one thing I like about ES. Sure people go off the deep end, but there are a LOT of intelligent, respectable posters here.

You simply disagreeing with someone does not mean they are incorrect, no matter how many roll eyes smilies you use

Yeah, that's exactly why I used those roll eyes smilies, so that way it'd boost my stance since it wasn't strong enough to stand on it's own. Yup. :rolleyes: <--- see, now I've proven you to be incorrect since I used it again, or at least that's how I feel. :pfft:

Look, it's real simple, everyone with any semblance of a level-head is seeing and has seen the ridiculous nature of posters on this board after a loss. This loss has been magnified by the Mcnabb situation. You can spin it all you want as a "bad decision", but it's not nearly as big a deal as you or the majority of other posters within this thread are making it. Those intelligent, respectable posters on here are the ones trying to talk people off the ledge and are not as critical of Shanny, yet somehow you managed to bring them on your side of this, lol?

So the "one thing you like about ES" are the intelligent, respectable posters... yet you're defending the ridiculous responses to Shanahan given by so many random posters? Please, I'll list some of those posters you're talking about: KDawg, Bang, Califan007, TK, Longshot, elkabong, The Rock, Old Fan, etc.. (sorry, I know I missed a bunch, forgive me fellas).

I guarantee you they're not giving the same type of one-liner responses you're seeing here. Don't just throw stuff out there, man. Who are these posters you speak of?

And no, being a "fanatic" or claiming we're on "extreme"skins is not an excuse to be outrageously negative or outlandish. We can debate whether or not it was a bad decision, but the complaining is disgustingly weak. Everyone has a right to be whatever they want, but they also have to prepare for the consequences. So if you want to be a big baby, then you need to understand that the adults are going to discipline you. The whining ruins the discussion, and that's what this place is first and foremost: A DISCUSSION BOARD.

[Boss_Hogg]

The demand of the 2 minute drill would impact a quarterbacks cardiovascular AS WELL as his leg muscles in the hustle/set/throw then hustle to the line and Shanny thought this would be injury upon insult for McNabb.

I think he truly was thinking of McNabb in this situation - he has high respect for McNabb and we as the fans as well as the MEDIA is exploding this into much ado about nothin.

Onto Randy Moss.......... ;)

Good point, Donovan's 45 yard run occurred in the 1st quarter.

#5 took a beating all day, perhaps the leg(s) injury flared up during one those sacks?

[tiger187126]

so nfl live just showed a stat that within the last two minutes of a half and in the 4th quarter with the game within 7 points mcnabb has a sub 50 qb rating and has thrown 5 picks and no tds.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

The demand of the 2 minute drill would impact a quarterbacks cardiovascular AS WELL as his leg muscles in the hustle/set/throw then hustle to the line and Shanny thought this would be injury upon insult for McNabb.

I think he truly was thinking of McNabb in this situation - he has high respect for McNabb and we as the fans as well as the MEDIA is exploding this into much ado about nothin

With all due respect, I have a hard time buying this.

Two minutes to go in a game prior to a bye week. You can't pull your 'franchise QB' from the game for that reason. I'd bet half the team is banged up. You gotta deal with it and 'find a way to win', as Shanny would say.

London Fletcher has played 200 consecutive games in the NFL.......


It's a remarkable accomplishment when you consider that Fletcher has been an every-down player for more than a decade and is involved in some degree of contact on almost every play.

"God gave me great genes, so to speak, and a fair amount of toughness, I would say," Fletcher said. "Really, I don't want to let my teammates down. I just couldn't imagine not being out there with them battling."

McNabb just had to be in the game.

[ConnSKINS26]

so nfl live just showed a stat that within the last two minutes of a half and in the 4th quarter with the game within 7 points mcnabb has a sub 50 qb rating and has thrown 5 picks and no tds.

These stats are overblown right now because EVERY game we've been in has come down to this...and yes, when trying to make a last-second desperation play, that's where most of his picks have come from.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Good point, Donovan's 45 yard run occurred in the 1st quarter.

#5 took a beating all day, perhaps the leg(s) injury flared up during one those sacks?

Not to mention the 200+pound Rachbach stompings he took on his feet- thus tossing him backwards ;) McNabb isn't whining about being pulled - exploiting the fact that he played hurt and should have played the game out. Give McNabb and Shanny adulthood cards, they are acting like ones. :D

[ConnSKINS26]

London Fletcher has played 200 consecutive games in the NFL.......

But he's a rarity, and a freak of nature in that regard.



McNabb just had to be in the game.

Agreed, but its not his decision. You can't use this as a point against his toughness or leadership...he listened to his coach.

[tiger187126]

These stats are overblown right now because EVERY game we've been in has come down to this...and yes, when trying to make a last-second desperation play, that's where most of his picks have come from.

the truth is he hasn't been the man we've all been wishing for when JC was shipped out. end of the game he is supposed to be at his best and his best ends at about half time.

[thesubmittedone]

I dont agree with the negative threads but give me a break. It is a message board. Where else are you supposed to voice your opinion. In my opinion, an over modded board is a worthless board.

Again, the silly "opinion" argument. Yes, you can "voice your opinion", but when it is loud, incessant and obnoxious, guess what? You deserve to be called out and embarrassed. The Mods are heavily involved in this board, and that's a good thing. It's why it remains enjoyable, but they're only human, and when there's a loss this place becomes unbearable even by their standards. So no, that excuse doesn't fly. Want an opinion? Accept its consequences when it's ridiculous or your obnoxious about presenting it.

[adam@section118]

Yeah, that's exactly why I used those roll eyes smilies, so that way it'd boost my stance since it wasn't strong enough to stand on it's own. Yup. :rolleyes: <--- see, now I've proven you to be incorrect since I used it again, or at least that's how I feel. :pfft:

Look, it's real simple, everyone with any semblance of a level-head is seeing and has seen the ridiculous nature of posters on this board after a loss. This loss has been magnified by the Mcnabb situation. You can spin it all you want as a "bad decision", but it's not nearly as big a deal as you or the majority of other posters within this thread are making it. Those intelligent, respectable posters on here are the ones trying to talk people off the ledge and are not as critical of Shanny, yet somehow you managed to bring them on your side of this, lol?

So the "one thing you like about ES" are the intelligent, respectable posters... yet you're defending the ridiculous responses to Shanahan given by so many random posters? Please, I'll list some of those posters you're talking about: KDawg, Bang, Califan007, TK, Longshot, elkabong, The Rock, Old Fan, etc.. (sorry, I know I missed a bunch, forgive me fellas).

I guarantee you they're not giving the same type of one-liner responses you're seeing here. Don't just throw stuff out there, man. Who are these posters you speak of?

Wait, I have a side in this thread?

I personally HATE the decision, and there are many people who agree with me. I would have hated this decision if we had scored a TD with Rex, but that point is now moot.

Yes, this place goes nuts after a loss. However, so do A LOT of forums. I used to run a NBA forum before I sold it to the NBA. You think this is bad, you should see the crazy stuff that is wirtten in a 7 game NBA series.

Umm, I refuse to go into the conversation I have had with other posters :pfft:

While I get what you are saying, there are posters who have made points (I really do not care to name them all, but go read the should DM5 have been benched thread.) I thought a lot of posters there strongly disagreed with the dedcision, yet they still gave good, solid reasons as to why it was a bad decision.

Lastly, I only knew a handfull of the names you listed (sorry, I mostly lurk here) but yes, I agree they are all great posters. Then again, I also enjoy almost all the fans here (even the Cowboys fans, hey we all make mistakes) because even if they are going off the deep end they are still fanatical about the team and only want the best.

At the end of the day the game yesterday was not lost because of Shanny (We can blame the many drops, bad passes, and lack of blocking by our line) but that last decision was just baffling. It does not help, IMO, that our coach keeps changing the reason why he did it. Maybe tomorrow he will tell us McNabb also had a really bad burger at 5 guys and had the runs all week, which did not allow him or Rex to practice the 2 minute offense. Which by default makes Rex better at running the system because of his 1 year in Houston.

Last point: How in the eff do you not run a 2 minute drill in the NFL? Shouldnt that be addressed at some point in a NFL season? Even if its only once a week?

EDIT: On that last point, all I can say is I disagree. I dislike "whining" as you put it, but I personally have no problem with hearing the other side of a argument, even if I do not agree with it. It is a "discusion board" and as such everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if all they are doing is saying our coach lost his mind for 2 minutes last night

[thesubmittedone]

I won't call anyone out but for the ones or one that requested the MODS to ban all "the sky is falling posters"....I don't think questioning a coach for his actions should be considered that the sky is falling...I didn't see anyone here say they are changing teams or wanting Shanny fired over this move....calm down bro. Just because you believe in everything Shanny has said and done doesn't mean we all do.

That's what I said, right? Did I even define the "sky is falling" post/thread? Please, go actually read my post and see where I did. I'll wait.

[D'KanSkinFan]

With all due respect, I have a hard time buying this.

Two minutes to go in a game prior to a bye week. You can't pull your 'franchise QB' from the game for that reason. I'd bet half the team is banged up. You gotta deal with it and 'find a way to win', as Shanny would say.

London Fletcher has played 200 consecutive games in the NFL.......



McNabb just had to be in the game.

Not when the offensive coordinator says McNabb is hurt and the Head Coach already stated "in the presser" - I made a decision, due to #5's injuries and him playing in the game hurt - if we got into a 2 minute drill situation - Grossman was going to play the 2 minute drill due to #5's existing injuries(he didn't even bring up over throws, interceptions, etc.). If we would have won..........this would have been a brilliant move and threads all over the place praising McNabb and Grossman for their efforts. Sadly, that isn't what happened. It is what it is. I trust the Head Coach did what he did for the best outcome for all the team and the fans. And, I know - not everyone will agree with this. Just my $.02 worth.

[Boss_Hogg]

With all due respect, I have a hard time buying this.

Two minutes to go in a game prior to a bye week. You can't pull your 'franchise QB' from the game for that reason. I'd bet half the team is banged up. You gotta deal with it and 'find a way to win', as Shanny would say.

London Fletcher has played 200 consecutive games in the NFL.......



McNabb just had to be in the game.

During the press conference, Shannahan stated that if McNabb was healthy he would have left him in the game.

[vigilante]

Not when the offensive coordinator says McNabb is hurt and the Head Coach already stated "in the presser" - I made a decision, due to #5's injuries and him playing in the game hurt - if we got into a 2 minute drill situation - Grossman was going to play the 2 minute drill due to #5's existing injuries(he didn't even bring up over throws, interceptions, etc.). If we would have won..........this would have been a brilliant move and threads all over the place praising McNabb and Grossman for their efforts. Sadly, that isn't what happened. It is what it is. I trust the Head Coach did what he did for the best outcome for all the team and the fans. And, I know - not everyone will agree with this. Just my $.02 worth.

But WHY?

McNabb already played 58 minutes INJURED. What's 2 more minutes going to do? McNabb obviously gave us the best chance to win, despite the poor offensive performance. If he was hurt so badly, then Shanahan shouldn't have even dressed him. Are we really going to sub in a quarterback who's been cold sitting on the bench to try to win a game for us at the end of the game? Seems like a stupid idea.

[BryanS]

richeisen Rich Eisen
Can this PLEASE get more bizarre! RT @Jay_Glazer Moss still has not been waived & the player has still not been told directly from coach yet

[TheismannQuote]

Mike Shanahan is not doing a good job of extinguishing this media firestorm. Media is going to have a field day for the next few days. I caution anyone from drawing too much of an opinion from what it is happening. It's just getting deep. (He's on 980 now with more head scratchers)

[thesubmittedone]

adam@section118, I've read your last response a few times over and am having trouble finding out exactly what you responded to in my thread or where you disagree, lol.

My entire response is based on posters who are simply whining/complaining and throwing out a bunch of one-liners while doing so, yet you say you dislike that as well but "disagree"... Uhm, ok?

Furthermore, your entire response is pretty much about the Shanahan's decision, and I hadn't even given my opinion on it, lol. I never even stated that I believed he was telling the truth about the situation! So I'm not sure why that's even in your response, but oh well.

And just to make my position clear, since it seems quite a few of you are responding to me assuming that I find no fault in Shanahan and believe him 100%, I don't. I think he definitely should've kept Mcnabb in, but taking him out was not even close to being crazy, or "baffling", as so many are making it. Mcnabb was grossly inconsistent last game, and has been the last few weeks. He's been good enough to escape pressure, but he's also made a bunch of mistakes when he's had time. Shanahan is not going to come out and say "yeah, Mcnabb has been awful more times than not, so I figured let's give Rex a chance and see what happens". I'm sure there's also plenty of truth in Mcnabb's health being a factor as well. Since when does a coach need to address the media and be completely honest as so many want him to be right now? Are you serious? So you want him to just go off on every player that is playing poorly or every coach that is coaching poorly and throw them under the bus any chance he gets?

Shanny has handled the media real well since he's been here, as far as I'm concerned. They're going to take this and blow it way out of proportion, of course, yet you guys want him to provide even more ammunition to them by saying Mcnabb wasn't playing well or even admitting a mistake? Do you think that the media would just let it fly after that? Are you so naive to think that we wouldn't see a 100 headlines about "When will Shanahan make another mistake" or "More mistakes to come from Shanahan" or "How many mistakes can Shanny make" or "Mcnabb situation sheds light on Haynesworth situation"? It'll never end.

Let them speculate all they want now, and I'm glad he told them what he did. The media can bs like they normally do now, and the players/coaches don't have to answer their speculation.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

So that was that huh?

Well, taking the HC on face value, I guess we just have to respect his decision and put this to bed. (Which the media won't now he's made himself an easy target, but ya' know.).

Personally, let's just say I'm disappointed. Disappointed in the decision yesterday. Very disappointed in the, uhmmm, "explanation" today. Nothing like insulting this fan bases intelegance. And I'm a staunch Shanahan man.

But it is what it is. Onto Philthy .....

Hail.

[thesubmittedone]

Mike Shanahan is not doing a good job of extinguishing this media firestorm. Media is going to have a field day for the next few days. I caution anyone from drawing too much of an opinion from what it is happening. It's just getting deep. (He's on 980 now with more head scratchers)

There is no extinguishing this. The media will eat this up no matter what, period. He's doing a good job by giving them nothing that they can really draw any conclusions on, now they'll just have to resort to their rampant speculating. For instance, they can't say "Shanahan doesn't trust Mcnabb" without it being speculation. He's told them he does trust him, but this was about his health. True or not, they're stuck having to bs now like they usually do, and the players/coaches don't have to answer to that. Good job, Shanny!

[adam@section118]

thesubmittedone

Yeah, I have been all over the place. Sorry, I blame it on today being a Monday.

I am saying I dislike the whining and complaining, but I kind of accept it because I like to hear both sides on an arguent.

McNabb was inconsistent before we got him, and he will be inconsistent if/when he leave Washington. He is what he is, a good QB when he is good and a really bad QB when he is bad. Definition of a streaky player.

No issue with Shanny no telling the media everything, but as a vetran coach you have to know that decision backfiring is going to cause a media storm. I mean, come on, even the players are questioning his decision. That is the exact reason I think he should say "I effed up, we all make mistakes, the players are allowed to over throw or drop a pass, but a HC isnt allowed to make a bad decision"

Then again, I personally think McNabb is making the line look better then they are (I know, hard to beleive) and I just knew something bad was going to happen. I even told the guy next to me at the bar "Watch, this will end up bad but hey we do not have any other choice because our starting QB is hurt". Obviously I learned later on we did have a diffrent option.....

I do not want him to say anything about out QB. Just say he went with his gut and it backfired. Sorry, I just do not buy it had anything to do with the 2 minute drill. And if it did, poo on his for at least not having our healthy QB (Rex) practice the 2 minute drill the last 5 weeks

[Mooka]

I don't blame Mike S. nor do I blame McNabb or Grossman. But there is a Shanny I do question - he will have to prove to me that he has control of the Offense. Yea... not buying any of that. I'm thinking the interception, then a 4 and out was the deciding factor.

Not that Shanahan is completely lying. Its probably true that McNabb's hasn't practiced the 2 minute drill it for whatever reason and that his health was a deciding factor. But that's still coach speak dancing around the issue. I don't believe for a second that if we, say tied the game up instead of going 4 and out, that McNabb wouldn't be in the game in the exact same 2 minute situation.

Not only did McNabb play the entire 2nd half of the Colts game limping, they even threw him out there with 30 seconds left for a couple Hail Mary's.

[Potato Sack]

i gotta ask a question, maybe this was explained in the presser:

why arent our QBs practicing the 2 minute drill?

Because we never put ourselves in a situation to run a 2-minute drill - such as a nail-biter that comes down to the waning minutes of a game. Therefore, why should we ever practice said drill? :silly:

[adam@section118]

There is no extinguishing this. The media will eat this up no matter what, period. He's doing a good job by giving them nothing that they can really draw any conclusions on, now they'll just have to resort to their rampant speculating. For instance, they can't say "Shanahan doesn't trust Mcnabb" without it being speculation. He's told them he does trust him, but this was about his health. True or not, they're stuck having to bs now like they usually do, and the players/coaches don't have to answer to that. Good job, Shanny!

Just curious, do you beleive everything he says?

Because first you say the media will eat anything up and Shanny is doing a good job just keeping them at bay (which I agree with) then you say he said he trusts him and this is about his health.

Do you beleive that Shanny is keeping them at bay while being 100% honest?

Props to you if you do. I honestly do not. I think it is coach-speak, and I think later of (like years down the line) we here on something happening behind the scenes (and who knows what that may be, maybe frustration from him not picking up the system quicker, but inconsistent play, but coaches do no just pull the starting QB with 2 minutes left because "he doesnt understand the system". Sorry, it was "becuase he was hurt". Wait, sorry, it was because "he is out of shape and has not run the 2 minute offense in 5 weeks because he is out and in turn a litle out of shape)

Whatever, I am over it. I dislike and strongly disagree with the decision, but I will continue to show up and root for the team.

I just hope this move does not hurt the morale of the team.

[goflyhelo]

Yeah, it's just hard to believe McNabb is not in great cardio shape to run the 2 minute drill. I thought all teams ran the 2 min drill every week. Apperantly, not the Skins.

[Potato Sack]

Poor Shanny....he'll need to start playing the "leave Brittany alone" youtube video soon. lol

[Destino]

As a fan you want to trust the coach. Sadly when faced with obvious BS it's hard to do so. He didn't know the 2 minute drill. He was injured. He wasn't in great shape. Did he spin a wheel-o-excuses each time he decided to answer the same question and land on a different area each time? What will he say tomorrow? lol

Shanahan... I can see why you are uncomfortable talking to the media. When people record what you say you have to keep your story straight. :ols:

[jflow78]

I'm a huge Shanahan supporter, haven't doubted at all, but this one is a mouth opener. I just don't get it at all.

I mean, if he really thought McNabb wasn't ready for the game, sit him out as Questionable (which he was on the injury report), and start Grossman to see what he's got. At least, at that point you've got a chance to evaluate your 2nd stringer, and you can keep the locker room respect for McNabb intact, in case you're plan backfires and McNabb is your best option (HE IS YOUR BEST OPTION).

If we were dealing with a more inexperienced coach, then I'd get it, but Shanahan has had decades of this, so WTF? I'm not even concerned with the loss, it was the benching that just didn't make ANY sense to me. I don't care if he thought Grossman was the man, great, but why THEN? Why would you do it THEN?

At this point, I'm still glad we have Shanahan, he's been better than what we've had in the past, but I REALLY don't get this one.

I've already posted this, but I think the only explanation that makes any sense is that McNabb began calling his own plays (either feuding with Kyle over play selection, or doesn't know the plays called). The reason I say that is because, about half way through the 2nd (I think) it looked like the team stepped up to the LOS and the broadcast showed a shot of Kyle throwing his hands up like, "WTF are they doing?! That's not what I called!" That was just my initial thought, but it's also complete speculation.

Even IF that was what happenned, it would be stupid to suddenly yank him because it completely undermines the team, IMO.

It also sucks that, instead of listening to 2 weeks on speculation of the team, we're going to listen to 2 weeks of speculation on McNabb vs Shanahan and the Skins.

[StillUnknown]

As a fan you want to trust the coach. Sadly when faced with obvious BS it's hard to do so. He didn't know the 2 minute drill. He was injured. He wasn't in great shape. Did he spin a wheel-o-excuses each time he decided to answer the same question and land on a different area each time? What will he say tomorrow? lol

Shanahan... I can see why you are uncomfortable talking to the media. When people record what you say you have to keep your story straight. :ols:

he would've been better off canceling the presser

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Agreed, but its not his decision. You can't use this as a point against his toughness or leadership...he listened to his coach.

I'm not.

I'm saying it is one of the reasons Shanahan should have left him in the game. The guy had played for 58 minutes nicked up and had been abused. Another 2 minutes is neither here nor there. Your talking what, another hand-full of plays plus a couple of spikes of the ball if your actually getting somewhere.

Shanahan screwed this one up, irrespective of what is being said now, imo.

But, we move on...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Dear, Donovan.

You are too fat to play.

Love,
Coach Shanahan (the older one)

[jflow78]

...If we would have won..........this would have been a brilliant move and threads all over the place praising McNabb and Grossman for their efforts. Sadly, that isn't what happened. It is what it is. I trust the Head Coach did what he did for the best outcome for all the team and the fans. And, I know - not everyone will agree with this. Just my $.02 worth.

Sorry man, but there's no way this would have been viewed as "brilliant". You don't just yank your team's leader and starting QB so you can put the 2nd stringer in and hope he gets it done. This is one of the worst decisions I've ever seen Shanny make. Even if we win, people would then be questioning whether or not McNabb has the skill/talent/whatever to be the starter and then Rex becomes the new Colt Brennan. There's no way this one turned out well, unless McNabb was taken out due to injury, before the game.

Like I've said already, the only explanation that sounds logical to me is that McNabb was undermining the OC and Mike either Mike or Kyle pulled him because of it. I don't know if that's the case, but there's no way we go into the game with Grossman in the plan as the "go to guy" at the end of a close game.

I'm a Shanahan supporter, I think he'll take us to where we want to be, but I hate this decision (especially with two weeks to stew on it) and can't wait until the next game. There's no way I'd want Mike to get fired or even have Snyder question him as his head coach, it was the right hire and even if others were available I've always been a Shanahan fan, but this one is a head scratcher for sure.

[NAZology]

've already posted this, but I think the only explanation that makes any sense is that McNabb began calling his own plays (either feuding with Kyle over play selection, or doesn't know the plays called). The reason I say that is because, about half way through the 2nd (I think) it looked like the team stepped up to the LOS and the broadcast showed a shot of Kyle throwing his hands up like, "WTF are they doing?! That's not what I called!" That was just my initial thought, but it's also complete speculation.

I went crazy during the game when this happened. Everyone was at the LOS and the play was ****. Unorganized garbage!!!! The more I talk and read about this game the more I want to yack on myself.

[Ahmayzin]

Mannnnnn..... This is almost as bad as Jeremiah Deion Jason Rod Gus Danny Taylor Wuerfel.

HAIL...let's move forward and beat everybody and slap their sisters. *fist pump*

WIN!!!

lol

[LadySkinsFan]

In my opinion, there were lots of poor decisions yesterday.

The 2 2-point plays: why? They had had a hard time completing passes like that. Plus they were both to Davis and right through his hands. He had to know that McNabb would be zipping them in there, and he had to catch them. Still, calling those plays was just boneheaded.

The play of the Oline was just horrific, worse than last year in my opinion. Rabach needs to go now and the constant rotation of the line needs to stop. Make some assignments, make people responsible for their assignments and just play. And get better players in the offseason/draft for next year.

Since the Oline was deficient, why the call for deep ball throws the first look? I like that McNabb can get the deep ball and make it a threat, but on every pass play?

Lots of mistakes all game from all sides.

The last straw was sitting McNabb.

[redskins55]

This staff knows what they are doing. Yes yesterday may have been a mistake, although Shanahan's not going to admit it. But this is such a nice change from the inmates running the asylum.

And I wish people would stop talking about Devin Thomas as someone that Shanahan wanted to make an example of or something. Devin has done nothing with Carolina and from what I've heard on here, is having a hard time even sniffing the field. Trust the coaches a little bit. People were up in arms when we got rid of Marko Mitchell because he had a good preseason last year, but now he's not even in the NFL, or in any league!

I thought they did too.. But C'mon man you cant deny that you've got to be a little skeptical after this game. Your 33yrs old, so your round the same age as me.. I'm sure you've seen alot of football. Have you ever seen a coach make such an incredibly strategic football team mistake?? Benching your star QB while the game is on the line..
Lying and saying that the backup QB had a better grasp of the 2 minute offense..
Then changing that stance and saying that the starting QB had cardiovascular issues due to lack of practice time with a hamstring injury??

Even if one of these BS reasons were true it means that he has lied to us the fans! WHY??? Why lie to us? And if you lie to us about something so monotonous, then what else will you lie to us about! Devin Thomas not being interested in football.. Telling Haynesworth that he had a chance to sign with someone else... binging in LJ to challenge CP??? lol It's not like he needed to lie to us because the fans were behind the team 100% whether we won or lost. It's ALL discredited now!

[flexxskins]

We are on EXTREMEskins. We are all geeky or nerdy enough to post on an internet forum, and we are FANATICS about this team.Hey hey back up there son.:ols:

The last I checked being classified as a geek or a nerd was not a prerequisite to being a member here.;)

[D'KanSkinFan]

Sorry man, but there's no way this would have been viewed as "brilliant".

Well, ahem.......I am not a man; and you haven't read some of the posts around here have ya? :) It's okay, everyone makes a mistake. Even coaches ;)

:D

[Skinzfever2010]

Talked to a longtime #NFL Analyst who has in past been very close to McNabb/@NFL: "He's not staying. He isn't a good fit at all" #Redskins 4 minutes ago via web

Per Chris Russell twitter
http://twitter.com/russellmania09

looks like the ride is over

[Skinzfever2010]

#Redskins flashback Donovan McNabb last Wednesday leaving facility told me "I'm fine, Nothing's wrong." & was unaware of why he was limited. 28 minutes ago via web

Per Chris Russell
http://twitter.com/russellmania09

[HigSkin]

http://twitter.com/russellmania09[/url]

That would probably be Sal Paolantonio who has covered McNabb for ever and keeps predicting he's a 1-yr rental.

[Skinzfever2010]

That would probably be Sal Paolantonio who has covered McNabb for ever and keeps predicting he's a 1-yr rental.

We traded two draft picks for a 1 year rental. Somewhere Vinny is feeling vindicated on some level. McNabb has to resign. There is just no other way. Ugh

Hail!

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

I'll wait to hear what Donovan has to say tomorrow on his show.

[GoDeep81]

Agree, I just wish the Mods (who are doing a great job either way) would really lower the ban hammer on every single "sky is falling" thread/post made by anyone, I don't care who. It's getting tiring and ruining the board. In my mind, we should adopt a policy of no "sky is falling" threads/posts until we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. I think it's pretty easy to define and hone in on exactly what constitutes a "sky is falling" thread/post as well.

Its fairly easy to avoid, as the topic "Title" will que you in as to the subject.. Problem solved! ;)

[skinfan2k]

franchise his ass and get 2-3 draft picks for him if he leaves.

[brianm23]

We traded two draft picks for a 1 year rental. Somewhere Vinny is feeling vindicated on some level. McNabb has to resign. There is just no other way. Ugh

Hail!


He (mcnabb) was never supposed to stay here to begin with. If you take the clues from one of our resident Insiders, he specifically said that McNabb was part of a bigger trade that fell through. Once that happened, he was here to stay. (them making a go of it)

[Bang]

As I said when the Redskins hired Shanahan, you better get used to the fact that other than Bill Bellichek, he's the most bald faced liar in the league.
And that is not a BAD thing.
He plays it all very close to the vest, he will say things he knows are false to plant things in opponents heads. he will say things he knows are false to distract the media.
Sometimes he says things he knows are false because the truth is not in the team's best interest to be discussing, which is what I think this case is.

So get used to it, folks. The man doesn't think you need to know everything, and will actively try to mislead. You can complain about it or recognize his accomplishments using such tactics and give him a little leeway in his reasoning, even if he makes an occasional mistake.

~Bang

[brianm23]

Talked to a longtime #NFL Analyst who has in past been very close to McNabb/@NFL: "He's not staying. He isn't a good fit at all" #Redskins 4 minutes ago via web

Per Chris Russell twitter
http://twitter.com/russellmania09

looks like the ride is over


You missed the important one.

http://twitter.com/russellmania09
Another #NFL Analyst checks in on #McNabb- #Shanahan: "He (McNabb) is flawed. He can't change. Shanahan is finding out the truth." #Redskins 21 minutes ago via web

[Skinzfever2010]

As I said when the Redskins hired Shanahan, you better get used to the fact that other than Bill Bellichek, he's the most bald faced liar in the league.
And that is not a BAD thing.
He plays it all very close to the vest, he will say things he knows are false to plant things in opponents heads. he will say things he knows are false to distract the media.
Sometimes he says things he knows are false because the truth is not in the team's best interest to be discussing, which is what I think this case is.

So get used to it, folks. The man doesn't think you need to know everything, and will actively try to mislead. You can complain about it or recognize his accomplishments using such tactics and give him a little leeway in his reasoning, even if he makes an occasional mistake.

~Bang

Yeah, but what is the point of psyching out yourself?

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

franchise his ass and get 2-3 draft picks for him if he leaves.

I think this is the plan for some reason and it would not hurt me one bit.

[Bang]

Yeah, but what is the point of psyching out yourself?

Well, like all of us, he isn't perfect.

I think he made a mistake with this, but I am not willing to hang him over it. He's a good coach. He may have made a mistake here, but we've seen his ability to gameplan play big positive factors in this season already. He'll make way many more smart decisons than bad ones, I'll bet.

I also think he was unprepared for the hostility of our local media. And I am hoping that he can ignore it and not let it poison his desire to be here.

~Bang

[KDawg]

I think this is the plan for some reason and it would not hurt me one bit.

If we manage to get any draft picks for McNabb via trade that are actually of value I'll be SHOCKED!

It'll be an excellent shock, but I don't see it happening.

[KDawg]

I think he made a mistake with this, but I am not willing to hang him over it. He's a good coach. He may have made a mistake here, but we've seen his ability to gameplan play big positive factors in this season already. He'll make way many more smart decisons than bad ones, I'll bet.


He definitely made a mistake on McNabb. But I agree, I don't think this hangs the guy yet. As a whole, we're STILL better than last year, which is scary as hell because we're not very good... But it's improvement. In order to really judge how he does with us, he needs a couple of years more... But this move doesn't put him on very solid ground.

[StillUnknown]

I think this is the plan for some reason and it would not hurt me one bit.

that plan assumes somebody would actually give us 2-3 picks for McNabb


not very likely at this point

[PorkSkins]

Maybe Shanny took a blow to the head himself and thought it was the Bears against the Lions. He was pulling out Cutler for Grossman.

[Skinzfever2010]

Maybe Shanny took a blow to the head himself and thought it was the Bears against the Lions. He was pulling out Cutler for Grossman.

I just busted out laughing at that lol. I wonder what he was thinking watching Cutler play last week. "Yep, Jay I would draft you again If I could do it all over"

[Stophovr6]

I just want to know how many players Shanny has to alienate before the entire team stops trusting him. So far we have one Defensive standout and one offensive standout. Perhaps a Special Team guy next?

[DieselPwr44]

So instead of "played their guts out,super smart" anytime someone screws up now, they're fat and out of shape?

OK.

Gotta love coach speak

:ols:

[Skinzfever2010]

Yet another #NFL Analyst checks in on the McNabb-Shanahan deal "I have never heard of a team not practicing two-minute offense." #Redskins

Per Chris Russell twitter
http://twitter.com/russellmania09

[Destino]

He plays it all very close to the vest, he will say things he knows are false to plant things in opponents heads. he will say things he knows are false to distract the media.
Sometimes he says things he knows are false because the truth is not in the team's best interest to be discussing, which is what I think this case is.


And sometimes he might say things he knows are false to avoid facing the music on a major mistake. Which is all well and good if he's a good liar. If he didn't bother to tell McNabb that he was injured and McNabb later says "I was fine and have no idea what this guy is talking about" then you have a "someone is lying" situation which can get ugly. ...well uglier anyway. This situation is already ugly and the lie so poorly crafted that instead of avoiding an uncomfortable discussion we are caught in a media storm.

This was poorly handled, that simple. Not the first PR blunder by this coach either.

[adam@section118]

Hey hey back up there son.:ols:

The last I checked being classified as a geek or a nerd was not a prerequisite to being a member here.;)

Son?

Yes, I get that is it not a pre-req.

My point was this place attracts the die-hard fan. No you do not have to be nerdy, but generally you have people who are more "technology savy" (better phrase?) who post on message boards.

Doesnt matter. Teams know pay attention to fan sites more so then ever (really social media in general) which is evident by the fact the Washington Redskins own this forum.

I can not come back into this thread. I have been super busy filling out applications for law school, and every time I start to hear more about the Redskins and this decision I just get more and more depressed.

There better be some amazing news is the next 13 days.

Hail,

Adam

[thesubmittedone]

I'm starting to realize why the local media is the way it is here... there are so many drama queens just waiting to be fed drama. The threads on the front page as well as the posts within them are proof of this.

[redskins55]

I'm starting to realize why the local media is the way it is here... there are so many drama queens just waiting to be fed drama. The threads on the front page as well as the posts within them are proof of this.

If you dont want flies hangin around the coach shouldn't spew the :pooh: from his mouth.

[Luvskins1959]

And sometimes he might say things he knows are false to avoid facing the music on a major mistake. Which is all well and good if he's a good liar. If he didn't bother to tell McNabb that he was injured and McNabb later says "I was fine and have no idea what this guy is talking about" then you have a "someone is lying" situation which can get ugly. ...well uglier anyway. This situation is already ugly and the lie so poorly crafted that instead of avoiding an uncomfortable discussion we are caught in a media storm.

This was poorly handled, that simple. Not the first PR blunder by this coach either.

I agree. If you are going to make decisions like this, and they blow up in your face...at least be a man and own it. Tell the media, we thought Grossman could maybe create a spark since McNabb took such a beating and went into the game injured. Lying...and lying poorly is not going to make his relationship with the media and fans any better.

I also wonder why McNabb wasn't notified of this "before the game decision" regarding the 2 minute drill. I don't believe one word of it. I believe he acted impulsively and it backfired. Nothing wrong with that. Coaches and players make bad decisions all the time, they are human. But, they need to own up to them and move on. It's one game at a time and no one will ever make all the perfect decisions during a game. I've just lost respect for Shanahan.....I don't wish him to leave. I am worried about the fact that this could cause McNabb to leave because of distrust. I was hoping he could hang around until the team addressed some other major issues...such as the offensive line and receiver position. Oh well! :violin:

I would love to know what Snyder thinks of the whole thing. :drama:

[skins island connection]

Personally I think it was delayed because Kyle lost his coloring book...

[thesubmittedone]

If you dont want flies hangin around the coach shouldn't spew the :pooh: from his mouth.

lol, yeah, he should just throw Mcnabb/Kyle/Oline right under the bus, instead. :doh:

And, as usual with drama queens, too many are simply assuming that what Shanahan is saying to the media is what he's saying to the locker room. How do you know that? What if he told Mcnabb "my bad, you were playing poorly but I shouldn't have done that"? How do you know he didn't? What if he told the Oline "you guys were going to get our franchise QB killed... not worth it, that's why I pulled him, but let's go to work in a week and prepare for the Eagles"?

Yeah, exactly, you don't know. So I repeat, drama queens want to be fed drama, and I'm happy with how Shanahan is doing it. Let them speculate their minds out.