Do you "In Shanny I Trust" now?!?!?!

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb? So how do you trust a liar?!?! Hmmmmm...

[SirClintonPortis]

Blasphemy. You should be hanged at stake for your vile falseisms.

/channeling Shanahan's pseduo-religious cult.

[thebluefood]

Boy, this was totally worthy of its own thread.

[Shredmojo]

I trust him, don't agree with everything he does/says, but the team is better than last year, and he has brought us some potentially good younger players

and hes not Brad Childress

[Rufus T Firefly]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb?

Quite possibly the most well constructed sentence in the history of the English language.

[Bang]

Hello, I treat my football coaches like politicians, because I, th fan, must know everything, because I demand so. I demand every one of my know-nothing questions be answered until I feel satisfied.

:jerk:

~Bang

[Skinzfever2010]

Joey Galloway starting wide receiver has been the dumbest player personnel decision from any redskins coach I can remember in a very long time (Shane Matthews, Danny Awful, Jaquez Green, Matt Doreing). But hey I''m only 23. I'm sure there have been other dumb moves.


I trust Joe Gibbs
I want to trust Shanny

Hail!

[konga2145]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb? So how do you trust a liar?!?! Hmmmmm... That's your take, my take is that maybe he's telling the truth. You have no proof otherwise. How could a player with a bad hamstring be able to constantly run to the line.

[Veretax]

I trust the coach too, but I in no way agree with lying about it. All he needed to say was I decided to see what Rex could do...and then all you have to do is look at what happened. If you want to second guess him on that' that would be fine... etc.

[LD0506]

Hello, I treat my football coaches like politicians, because I, th fan, must know everything, because I demand so. I demand every one of my know-nothing questions be answered until I feel satisfied.

:jerk:

~Bang

I applaud your diplomacy and restraint, I am sure I would have aimed far lower.

[konga2145]

Joey Galloway starting wide receiver has been the dumbest player personnel decision from any redskins coach I can remember in a very long time (Shane Matthews, Danny Awful, Jaquez Green, Matt Doreing). But hey I''m only 23. I'm sure there have been other dumb moves.


I trust Joe Gibbs
I want to trust Shanny

Hail! Well we have a 23 year old coach here, maybe Snyder will hire you

[GoDeep81]

That's your take, my take is that maybe he's telling the truth. You have no proof otherwise. How could a player with a bad hamstring be able to constantly run to the line.

Didnt have any problem at the end of the 1st half, or during his 40 yard scramble? I didnt see a single post where anyone said he was hobbling or appeared injured.. Sometimes, you dont need a taped confession to know if somone is pullin your chain..

[Skinzfever2010]

Well we have a 23 year old coach here, maybe Snyder will hire you

I can intern. I think I would be in over my head coaching.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Why thank you for asking; yes, I do trust him. He's not going to belittle his quarterback for playing like yesterday's newspaper at the bottom of the bird cage and his last throw was an interception; Shanny used an injury to cover the bad playing and a call for a different qbie; this is an injury that we have known that McNabb has had for weeks now. No secret here. Perhaps McNabb was saying I can play and we were watching a different story........

I think Kyle and Donovan need some one/one time together - perhaps Kyle needs to listen to experience at quarterbacking.

This move just gave everyone something to hash over since we are on bye week.

[LD0506]

Why thank you for asking; yes, I do trust him. He's not going to belittle his quarterback for playing like yesterday's newspaper at the bottom of the bird cage and his last throw was an interception; Shanny used an injury to cover the bad playing and a call for a different qbie; this is an injury that we have known that McNabb has had for weeks now. No secret here. Perhaps McNabb was saying I can play and we were watching a different story........

I think Kyle and Donovan need some one/one time together - perhaps Kyle needs to listen to experience at quarterbacking.

This move just gave everyone something to hash over since we are on bye week.

Oh ANOTHER Kool-Aid drinkin' homer, where's your RAGE!?!

[jwpanic]

i could give :pooh::pooh: if he lies to the media.

play well after the bye and this whole thing will blow over.

[DieselPwr44]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb? So how do you trust a liar?!?! Hmmmmm...

You lack the cardiovascular conditioning to continue posting here........

[D'KanSkinFan]

Hmmmmmmmm, wonder where the ban hammer is? :gap::secret:

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

That's your take, my take is that maybe he's telling the truth. You have no proof otherwise. How could a player with a bad hamstring be able to constantly run to the line.

How does somebody scramble for 36 yards with a bad hamstring you DUMMY?!?! Is your last name Shanahan?!?!

[Bang]

How does somebody scramble for 36 yards with a bad hamstring you DUMMY?!?!
I seem to recall him playing 3 quarters on a broken ankle.
I also seem to recall him getting tired in the final five minutes of a friggin' Super Bowl.
Not like there's not precedent for either one.

This won't last long.
Some blockhead is about to go Downtown.

~Bang

[LD0506]

I wouldn't recommend you start a poll on who the real dummy here is.......................

[ExoDus84]

Relax people, Christ. Step back from the ledge. He put in grossman to see if the offense could get the spark it was missing all game. It didn't work, given the result, I don't think he'll trust grossman in as starter anytime soon. Mcnabb is somewhat beat up, and Grossman was fresh. It sure as hell didn't work out. McNabb is our QB, and he's a good QB.

Our OL, on the other hand, is sub par and didn't give Mcnabb **** for time to work with yesterday. No QB would have fared much better in the same circumstances.

[jwpanic]

How does somebody scramble for 36 yards with a bad hamstring you DUMMY?!?!

cue the theme to sanford and son

[D'KanSkinFan]

How does somebody scramble for 36 yards with a bad hamstring you DUMMY?!?!

1st quarter RUN being pulled down.................so now are you saying we were lied too by the trainers about McNabbs hammy/contusions/groin injuries? No....... it's over.

[Bang]

Relax people, Christ. Step back from the ledge. .

Actually, I think we should push a few before they step back.

~Bang

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

you lack the cardiovascular conditioning to continue posting here........

lol

[rumplestilskin]

Look what the truth brought Jim Zorn. One hell of a guy but seriously needed to shut his mouth. We dont deserve the truth. Its not our right to know everything. Our job is speculation and rumour mongoring. Thats what we as fans and media are good at. Shannys been playing his game for a while now. If it hurts your feelings thats too bad.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Actually, I think we should push a few before they step back.

~Bang

Nice one.

[Annonymous Source]

Hello, I treat my football coaches like politicians, because I, th fan, must know everything, because I demand so. I demand every one of my know-nothing questions be answered until I feel satisfied.

:jerk:

~Bang

Well, obviously. I mean the coach's sole responsibility is to answer all of the questions of the fans. How dare he lie about things that he shouldnt be explaining to the media anyways?

I wish he would just come out and say "My Bad", but everyone already knows he messed up so what would be the point?

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

"Fire Shanny A Must"

[Bibby]

Actually, I think we should push a few before they step back.

~Bang

Agreed. It's November 1st and it sounds like people are ready to get rid of the Shanahans. People are insane around here.

[Homercles82]

Yes I do. Not much else to say.

[konga2145]

How does somebody scramble for 36 yards with a bad hamstring you DUMMY?!?! Is your last name Shanahan?!?! Man you calling me a dummy, why are you attacking me personally, unless your a kid.

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

Agreed. It's November 1st and it sounds like people are ready to get rid of the Shanahans. People are insane around here.

This is like when you are in high school and you realize you don't like your girlfriend after like 2 weeks, but then you end up staying with her for a lot of extra time because you think things will change. In the end, you should have stuck with your original gut instinct and gotten rid of the wench...

so again...Fire Shanny A Must!

[Homercles82]

This is like when you are in high school and you realize you don't like your girlfriend after like 2 weeks, but then you end up staying with her for a lot of extra time because you think things will change. In the end, you should have stuck with your original gut instinct and gotten rid of the wench...

so again...Fire Shanny A Must!

Except this isn't high school, this is when you find that girl you love a lot but realize she has been in bad relationships before and she needs some time to be helped back to a state of normalcy.

In my analogy the Redskins are the damaged goods.

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

Agreed. It's November 1st and it sounds like people are ready to get rid of the Shanahans. People are insane around here.

Actually I never was in favor of Shanahan coming to DC, but it is what it is. He needs Elway, Davis, & a crack-back blocking OL to win playoff games and SB's, and we all know that can't happen now! I can deal with Mike Shanahan the offensive coordinator, but Mike Shanahan the coach sucks! He actually needs to bench his son and take over playcalling duties!

[thebluefood]

This is like when you are in high school and you realize you don't like your girlfriend after like 2 weeks, but then you end up staying with her for a lot of extra time because you think things will change. In the end, you should have stuck with your original gut instinct and gotten rid of the wench...

so again...Fire Shanny A Must!

Worst simile ever.

[stevemcqueen1]

I trust the coach too, but I in no way agree with lying about it. All he needed to say was I decided to see what Rex could do...and then all you have to do is look at what happened. If you want to second guess him on that' that would be fine... etc.

I agree with you here. Why didn't he just say what the real reason for benching McNabb was instead of pulling this crap? It's the same steaming pile of poop he fed us about Albert "not being in football shape" all throughout camp, the preseason, and during the Colts game. No one is questioning his authority. He can simply say, "I benched this player because his performance wasn't good enough for me." When he feeds us such a stupid justification for things like that, it makes him seem incompetent. Or worse, we deduce he has petty reasons for handling personnel matters a certain way.

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

This is like when you are in high school and you realize you don't like your girlfriend after like 2 weeks, but then you end up staying with her for a lot of extra time because you think things will change. In the end, you should have stuck with your original gut instinct and gotten rid of the wench...

so again...Fire Shanny A Must!

That's a bit extreme! Can't fire him now...we've been down that road before with worse results! Do you remember Spurrier after Schottenheimer??

[veteranskinsfan]

I think Shanny bringing his son to be the offensive coordinator could become a problem down the road. National media and fans today are questionning his move with McNabb yesterday. I knew Rex was not going to do any better than McNabb yesterday and I told my buddy before Rex took his first snap from center. I think we finally found a good kick returner and may have found a good running back. There are so many holes on this team that up until yesterday I thought the older Shanny had the team headed in the right direction. I liked what Sonny said during the telecast which I did not hear until I saw his remarks published in the Washington Post. No one including coaches, can b.s. the great Sonny!! He has been around too long and he is sharp as ever. I think the head coach knows he has more problems on offense than he has on defense now. Zorn knew that too but that did not help him out in the short term either. The difference is Shanny is Coach and President of the team so Allen really cannot get rid of him or comment on what he did yesterday. When we lose to the Lions then we do not deserve to be in the playoff hunt at the end of the year. Its losses like this one that come to haunt this team the past few years.

[HailGreen28]

Elaborating what another poster said well:

I trusted Gibbs. That trust was validated, first with multiple superbowls, secondly with a much needed return to respectability, sandwiched directly between the Snyderatto/Spurrier and the Cerrato/Zorn disasters.

I want to trust Mike Shanahan. He has a decent track record, exceptional respect around the league (right now, Dallass and some other teams would still kill to have him), and he and Allen have made strides in making this team better this year than last year. For what it's worth, he's earned a pass this first season, from fans like me, on moves that seem dumb to me.

Hell, I thought the Vikes came away with a steal in the Moss trade. What do I know?

[RedskinsInFebruary]

I thought Shanahan might be a coach lacking any "fire" because he's already won it all before. This seems to happen with coaches after they've won it all. But he seems to still be very intense, and I think we're fortunate to have him.

Having said that, I'm not sure why he thought switching QB's yesterday would do anything to change the OL play, which was THE problem. Didn't matter what QB you stuck in there, the D linemen were going to run free and unimpeded at him.

[Destino]

Hello, I treat my football coaches like politicians, because I, th fan, must know everything, because I demand so. I demand every one of my know-nothing questions be answered until I feel satisfied.

:jerk:

~Bang

I don't care if I know everything but I'd prefer a coach that has over a decade of media experience to be savvy enough not to create a media storm by saying something ridiculous to follow a ridiculous move. Had he said "McNabb wasn't getting it done and we felt we needed to try something else. That obviously didn't work but sadly these are things we know in hindsight and we had to try something to win the game." This would be over. Pride got in the way and now we're a media circus.

[konga2145]

I agree with you here. Why didn't he just say what the real reason for benching McNabb was instead of pulling this crap? It's the same steaming pile of poop he fed us about Albert "not being in football shape" all throughout camp, the preseason, and during the Colts game. No one is questioning his authority. He can simply say, "I benched this player because his performance wasn't good enough for me." When he feeds us such a stupid justification for things like that, it makes him seem incompetent. Or worse, we deduce he has petty reasons for handling personnel matters a certain way. All of you are assuming he lied. We don't know that he lied. His explanation today was a clear as day to me . The reason he said nothing yesterday was because he had just lost a football game, and you know how hard it is for him, or any coach, to address the media after a loss

[Rufus T Firefly]

I don't care if I know everything but I'd prefer a coach that has over a decade of media experience to be savvy enough not to create a media storm by saying something ridiculous to follow a ridiculous move. Had he said "McNabb wasn't getting it done and we felt we needed to try something else. That obviously didn't work but sadly these are things we know in hindsight and we had to try something to win the game." This would be over. Pride got in the way and now we're a media circus.

Well said. Or at least a more clever lie. What he said was shockingly dumb.

[Dirt]

.....
Stop it, you're making us look like the sorry ass cowboys or something
:shutup:

[Painkiller]

Jesus, this place is even worse than I expected today. I was as pissed off as anybody yesterday after the loss, but really the "fire" Shanny crowd must literally be insane or something. I'm not even kidding.

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

All of you are assuming he lied. We don't know that he lied. His explanation today was a clear as day to me . The reason he said nothing yesterday was because he had just lost a football game, and you know how hard it is for him, or any coach, to address the media after a loss

Is your picture in Webster's Dictionary beside the word "HOMER"?? Geeez man! Are you that naive?!?! EVERYBODY and ANYBODY with an ounce of football and common sense knows Shanahan is lying and full of BS on this one! Just listen and compare yesterdays and todays press conferences....nuff said!!

[Dirt]

Is your picture in Webster's Dictionary beside the word "HOMER"?? Geeez man! Are you that naive?!?! EVERYBODY and ANYBODY with an ounce of football and common sense knows Shanahan is lying and full of BS on this one! Just listen and compare yesterdays and todays press conferences....nuff said!!

No, you're just being irrational and hateful. If he's lying so bad ,what is he hiding? Are you suggesting he hates McNabb? He is a racist or something? You got nothing, you're just bitching, which would be fine if you didn't make a new thread about it.

[Hunter_R]

I trust no one (and have not for a long time). Trust is earned. I don't care what these people have done before, I care about what they do now.

[1972FAN]

I trust him, he's a winner Thats why, 2 Superbowls is good enough for me, Next~

[Dan T.]

I don't think Shanahan is lying so much as trying to come up with a rationale explaining what was an impulsive, gut decision to pull McNabb. His explanations after-the-fact sound goofy. He made a spur of the moment decision without a lot of thought into it. Just say you went with your gut there, Mike, and can the 2-minute drill, cardiovascular crapola.

[Hunter_R]

I trust him, he's a winner Thats why, 2 Superbowls is good enough for me, Next~

I suppose that's how you felt about Gibbs, too.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Or...........someone could look at rationale and weigh out the quick thought processes.........or go by a known track record.......... either way, it's over.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/507015-donovan-mcnabb-makes-philadelphia-eagles-fans-look-like-geniuses

[1972FAN]

I suppose that's how you felt about Gibbs, too.

If I feel like you have a need to know I'll let you know :) next~

[Rufus T Firefly]

No, you're just being irrational and hateful. If he's lying so bad ,what is he hiding? Are you suggesting he hates McNabb? He is a racist or something? You got nothing, you're just bitching, which would be fine if you didn't make a new thread about it.

Come on, dude. He clearly lied. If nothing else, he said something different yesterday than today. At absolute best, one of those statements is a lie.

[gortiz]

Boy, this was totally worthy of its own thread.

i think the mods are getting soft, or just plain tired of the bull crap stuff that is thrown up on this board.

[Hunter_R]

If I feel like you have a need to know I'll let you know :) next~

I'll take that as a bullseye.

[Dirt]

Come on, dude. He clearly lied. If nothing else, he said something different yesterday than today. At absolute best, one of those statements is a lie.

umm, no he didn't? He said the same thing about Grossman being more comfortable, etc. Maybe that's pretty weak, but it's not a lie. He knew people wanted an answer better than that, so he gave you some stuff about McNabb being banged up(shocker) and his go-to argument about conditioning.

Why are people calling him a 'liar', am I missing something??

[Hitman21ST]

The boards should be shut down for a day or two after a loss, just to give people time to cool off and think.

[Dan T.]

i think the mods are getting soft, or just plain tired of the bull crap stuff that is thrown up on this board.

Actually, I think this thread raises a very good point. Every other move by Shanahan - his handling of Haynesworth, burying then cutting Devin Thomas, deactivating Dockery, etc. has been supported by many people chanting the "Shanny Knows Best" mantra. This one though, was a head scratcher for even the most die-hard Shanahan supporters. It's the first real chink in Shanahan's armor.

[1972FAN]

I'll take that as a bullseye.

Like your point of view means Something LOL hilarious, ok little boy

[Hunter_R]

Like your point of view means Something LOL hilarious, ok little boy

Better a skeptic than a sheep, sheep.

[1972FAN]

Better a skeptic than a sheep, sheep.

Eww, I'm totally distraught, please , you got to do better than that, your so smart come on???

[PeterMP]

I said it yesterday, Shannahan is trying to do something VERY VERY few coaches have been able to do. I haven't seen any evidence that he's going to be one of that very few.

[Bang]

Actually, I think this thread raises a very good point. Every other move by Shanahan - his handling of Haynesworth, burying then cutting Devin Thomas, deactivating Dockery, etc. has been supported by many people chanting the "Shanny Knows Best" mantra. This one though, was a head scratcher for even the most die-hard Shanahan supporters. It's the first real chink in Shanahan's armor.

It's like I've been saying...
on this team how many players can look in the mirror and know they'll be here next year?
Ten? Twelve?

Everyone else is auditioning.
Everyone.

~Bang

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

No, you're just being irrational and hateful. If he's lying so bad ,what is he hiding? Are you suggesting he hates McNabb? He is a racist or something? You got nothing, you're just bitching, which would be fine if you didn't make a new thread about it.

I'm being irrational and hateful? Shanahan's the irrational one here! And if you're believing what he's saying, then you're just as irrational! First AH is out of "condition" after missing one week (which maybe cost us the COLTS game), now McNabb plays 48 minutes, but doesn't completely understand the 2 minute offense, oh no wait, doesn't have the "cardiovascular endurance" to play the final 2 minutes of the game? And if that's not enough, today on his presser when asked if CP would be able to play for the Eagles game, Shanny said that his hamstring should be fine, but he won't be able to play for "a couple of weeks" because of "conditioning"? Are you kidding me?!?! Dudes miss extended periods of time in the NFL all the time and come back and play when they're healthy. You work them back in slowly if you have to, but you don't keep them on the sidelines working out doing sprints! Is he trying to be a personal trainer or a head coach?!?! LOL

[Hunter_R]

It's like I've been saying...
on this team how many players can look in the mirror and know they'll be here next year?
Ten? Twelve?

Everyone else is auditioning.
Everyone.

~Bang

Did the Skins (Shanahan) really have to give away two picks for McNabb to hold his audition?

[abdcskins]

I trust him, he's a winner Thats why, 2 Superbowls is good enough for me, Next~

x 2

I was as puzzled by the McNabb benching as the next guy, but Shanahan is the best coach we've had in more than a decade. He has a great football mind and he's in his first season here. I trust him.

[Rufus T Firefly]

umm, no he didn't? He said the same thing about Grossman being more comfortable, etc. Maybe that's pretty weak, but it's not a lie. He knew people wanted an answer better than that, so he gave you some stuff about McNabb being banged up(shocker) and his go-to argument about conditioning.

Why are people calling him a 'liar', am I missing something??

Maybe you don't know the meaning of the word. I don't know.

His reason today was completely different than his reason yesterday. I don't know why you can't see that. And neither one of them were remotely credible in the first place.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

It is Shanahan's decision to make and he has no obligation to tell the media the exact reasons why. In fact, I'd be disappointed if he shared too much information. His job is to make the decisions he believes give us the best chance to win. He's going to make mistakes and we have to be patient with those things (especially when we have half our team that hasn't turned over yet).

So, I'm still 100% on board with Shanahan. Like I said, that doesn't mean that I'll agree with everything he does, but I trust that he has a plan and a valid reason for doing whatever it is he's doing.

[thebluefood]

It's like I've been saying...
on this team how many players can look in the mirror and know they'll be here next year?
Ten? Twelve?

Everyone else is auditioning.
Everyone.

~Bang

Agreed; and even if he doesn't work out, I think we need to remember one thing:

IT'S WEEK 8 IN HIS FIRST SEASON.

Holy crap, people. It's his first season here and we're already calling for his head. At least we gave Zorn two seasons.

[Hunter_R]

x 2

I was as puzzled by the McNabb benching as the next guy, but Shanahan is the best coach we've had in more than a decade. He has a great football mind and he's in his first season here. I trust him.

What has he done recently, other than get fired, to earn that trust? It's been more than a decade since he's been relevant. I don't understand the blind faith that so many have.


Agreed; and even if he doesn't work out, I think we need to remember one thing:



IT'S WEEK 8 IN HIS FIRST SEASON.



Holy crap, people. It's his first season here and we're already calling for his head. At least we gave Zorn two seasons.

Not trusting/believing in him does not mean people want him gone.

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

umm, no he didn't? He said the same thing about Grossman being more comfortable, etc. Maybe that's pretty weak, but it's not a lie. He knew people wanted an answer better than that, so he gave you some stuff about McNabb being banged up(shocker) and his go-to argument about conditioning.

Why are people calling him a 'liar', am I missing something??

If you don't know what a "lie" is, then I have some igloo apartments in Arizona to sell you! LOL Open your eyes and ears man!

[Dan T.]

What has he done recently, other than get fired, to earn that trust? It's been more than a decade since he's been relevant. I don't understand the blind faith that so many have.

For me I don't know if it's blind faith so much as a willingness and a desire for patience with Shanahan since he's got the bona fides as a successful NFL coach. I would like to get away from the impatient mindset this franchise has displayed since Daniel Snyder took over more than a decade ago, changing coaches like bed linens.

He may have stumbled yesterday. But let's not put him on the coaching hot seat 8 games into his inaugural season.

[wilco_holland]

He is not lieing... he just covers up because he wants to keep thinks behing doors. But it isn´t working.

[Soup]

Jeez I don't know what more troubling, the mcNabb benching or that the lions are becoming a rival?

They've stuck it to us for three years now, after every game there is major controversy or backlash from the fans.

[Dirt]

I'm being irrational and hateful? Shanahan's the irrational one here! And if you're believing what he's saying, then you're just as irrational! First AH is out of "condition" after missing one week (which maybe cost us the COLTS game), now McNabb plays 48 minutes, but doesn't completely understand the 2 minute offense, oh no wait, doesn't have the "cardiovascular endurance" to play the final 2 minutes of the game? And if that's not enough, today on his presser when asked if CP would be able to play for the Eagles game, Shanny said that his hamstring should be fine, but he won't be able to play for "a couple of weeks" because of "conditioning"? Are you kidding me?!?! Dudes miss extended periods of time in the NFL all the time and come back and play when they're healthy. You work them back in slowly if you have to, but you don't keep them on the sidelines working out doing sprints! Is he trying to be a personal trainer or a head coach?!?! LOL

Well, what would you have liked him to say? What would have made you happy? Yesterday was a disaster, and the fact is, there's nothing he could have said to make everyone feel better. Sorry, we're not in candy land, its football. It's ugly.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Well said, Dan T. Some of us just want to wait before evaluating Shanahan after each and every week. I think we need to give Allen and Shanahan a couple off-seasons/seasons to get their pieces in place before we can start to grade things. Granted, it might turn out that we gave up picks for a QB that won't stick here...but we have to be willing to live with some mistakes. No front offices are perfect. I'd rather be patient with this duo than go searching again.

[konga2145]

What has he done recently, other than get fired, to earn that trust? It's been more than a decade since he's been relevant. I don't understand the blind faith that so many have.



Not trusting/believing in him does not mean people want him gone. You wonder why we defend coach and we wonder why you don't believe him. Mcnabb has plad terrible 75 rating, It doesn't matter why he pulled him.He just did, and what makes you an authority on coaching.

[SirClintonPortis]

What has he done recently, other than get fired, to earn that trust? It's been more than a decade since he's been relevant. I don't understand the blind faith that so many have.



Not trusting/believing in him does not mean people want him gone.Humans love a powerful "monarch".

[Hunter_R]

For me I don't know if it's blind faith so much as a willingness and a desire for patience with Shanahan since he's got the bona fides as a successful NFL coach. I would like to get away from the impatient mindset this franchise has displayed since Daniel Snyder took over more than a decade ago, changing coaches like bed linens.

He may have stumbled yesterday. But let's not put him on the coaching hot seat 8 games into his inaugural season.

Perhaps you didn't see my edited post, but not-trusting-him isn't the same as wanting-him-gone. There's almost no reason to trust the direction that the franchise is going in. It's been the same old song and dance for a long time. Time and improvement are the best ways to garner trust. Shanahan has had neither of those, yet. It's silly to want him gone (or keep him forever) just yet.

[SirClintonPortis]

You wonder why we defend coach and we wonder why you don't believe him. Mcnabb has plad terrible 75 rating, It doesn't matter why he pulled him.He just did, and what makes you an authority on coaching.
Even if you're right, Shanahan still looks stupid, but in a different way: he shouldn't have brought in McNabb in the first place.

[KDawg]

Truth be told, I trusted in Gibbs. I haven't had the same trust in Shanahan as I have in Gibbs, but Shanahan is coming here fresh with no Redskin reputation. I think if he realizes we need to flush a lot of the older folks out and start fresh he can still get the job done. But we need to purge this roster a bit, and he's going to have some setbacks due to bad personnel decisions.

[konga2145]

Well said, Dan T. Some of us just want to wait before evaluating Shanahan after each and every week. I think we need to give Allen and Shanahan a couple off-seasons/seasons to get their pieces in place before we can start to grade things. Granted, it might turn out that we gave up picks for a QB that won't stick here...but we have to be willing to live with some mistakes. No front offices are perfect. I'd rather be patient with this duo than go searching again. Medias to blame here, they have been after coach ever since the Haynsworth incident, and the media still wont admit that that incident worked out fine and they were wrong about coach.

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

You wonder why we defend coach and we wonder why you don't believe him. Mcnabb has plad terrible 75 rating, It doesn't matter why he pulled him.He just did, and what makes you an authority on coaching.

I can live with McNabb being benched...don't have a problem with it because his play has actually "earned" it. But we can't depend on Rex, that's just a fact. Just don't lie about the real reason you benched him, which everybody know was his performance, and give some lamed BS reason and try to play on people's intelligence. Not all of us are HOMERS!! Just be a man about it and tell the truth and none of this mess would be going on!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Medias to blame here, they have been after coach ever since the Haynsworth incident, and the media still wont admit that that incident worked out fine and they we3re wrong about coach.

There is something to that since a) they jumped on Shanahan from the get-go and b) his handling of Hayneworth appears to be working out just fine. However, I don't think you can blame them for the fans' reaction considering most fans are smart enough to see through most of those slanted stories when they do come out. Plus, some in the media have sided with the coach from day 1 and painted Haynesworth as the bad guy.

[thebluefood]

8 games, people...it's been 8 games.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I don't think Shanahan is lying so much as trying to come up with a rationale explaining what was an impulsive, gut decision to pull McNabb. His explanations after-the-fact sound goofy. He made a spur of the moment decision without a lot of thought into it. Just say you went with your gut there, Mike, and can the 2-minute drill, cardiovascular crapola.

Echoes what I've said since his first, bizarre, post-game presser last night.

To answer the OP's question, yes, I still trust in Shanahan. I've been a staunch backer of Coach Mike since day one of the hire I believe is the third most important this organization's ever made behind Coaches' Lombardi and Gibbs. He will lead us back to where we so crave to be, given time and better quality of talent to work with and teach,

But all that said, I was very disappointed today. I was hopeful upon reflection he'd do as Dan alluded to above, hold up his hands,admit it was a mistake, and move on. To do the other insults the inelegance of this fan base IMHO. I respect guys more that are straight up and tell it like it is, good or bad, than try to cover something to save face.

But meh, it is what it is, it's done, and now we move onto Philthy.

Hail.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I think every coach in the league makes a WTF decision at some point. I'm still down with the Shanahan. He hasn't lost me on this decision. Maybe we need a spark to get our offensive asses in gear. If we have to piss off some players to get some better production out of them then so be it. I'll reserve judgment on coach for later on. Right now I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has had success in this league. How it turns out remains to be seen.

[konga2145]

I think every coach in the league makes a WTF decision at some point. I'm still down with the Shanahan. He hasn't lost me on this decision. Maybe we need a spark to get our offensive asses in gear. If we have to piss off some players to get some better production out of them then so be it. I'll reserve judgment on coach for later on. Right now I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has had success in this league. How it turns out remains to be seen. I have never seen such drama of a qb being pulled,lol, and coach said he is still the starter. Coach also said in the pc today that the media were making a big deal over nothing.

[konga2145]

Echoes what I've said since his first, bizarre, post-game presser last night.

To answer the OP's question, yes, I still trust in Shanahan. I've been a staunch backer of Coach Mike since day one of the hire I believe is the third most important this organization's ever made behind Coaches' Lombardi and Gibbs. He will lead us back to where we so crave to be, given time and better quality of talent to work with and teach,

But all that said, I was very disappointed today. I was hopeful upon reflection he'd do as Dan alluded to above, hold up his hands,admit it was a mistake, and move on. To do the other insults the inelegance of this fan base IMHO. I respect guys more that are straight up and tell it like it is, good or bad, than try to cover something to save face.

But meh, it is what it is, it's done, and now we move onto Philthy.

Hail. Why should he have to, no other coach does. Coach keeps things in house and everyone knows this. Him telling the media what they want to hear is a joke cause they would only twist it around,.The media making him tell them why he did this is as bad as Snyder telling him what to do.People please leave coach alone and allow him to do his job.

[GoSkins561]

umm, no he
didn't? He said the same thing about Grossman being more comfortable, etc. Maybe that's pretty weak, but it's not a lie. He knew people wanted an answer better than that, so he gave you some stuff about McNabb being banged up(shocker) and his go-to argument about conditioning.

Why are people calling him a 'liar', am I missing something??

Yes, he basically said McNabb lacked stamina, which is a lie.

OTOH, I agree with those saying we as fans, nor does the media need to know his actual reasoning behind not letting McD run the 2 minute drill.

[SonnyRules]

Haven't lost faith in Shanahan, but he has been less than honest with us twice in the last 24 hours and has made sure that McNabb won't be back with the team next year. If plan "B" is Rex
Grossman; may the good Lord help us.

[konga2145]

Yes, he basically said McNabb lacked stamina, which is a lie.

OTOH, I agree with those saying we as fans, nor does the media need to know his actual reasoning behind not letting McD run the 2 minute drill. How do you know that he doesn't lack stamina, are you the coach of the Redskins

[HailGreen28]

It's like I've been saying...
on this team how many players can look in the mirror and know they'll be here next year?
Ten? Twelve?

Everyone else is auditioning.
Everyone.

~BangMan, Bang. You're just knocking them out of the park with every post you've made in this thread.

I gotta say though, I thought that McNabb would be one of that 10-12.

[MusicCitySkin]

I'm not saying Shanny knows best, but we all knew going into this that he was going to do things his way. That includes the poor decisions. I will say he knows what he's doing most of the time.

[maskedsuperstar]

I'm being irrational and hateful? Shanahan's the irrational one here! And if you're believing what he's saying, then you're just as irrational! First AH is out of "condition" after missing one week (which maybe cost us the COLTS game)

The Colts ran that hurry up offense. How in the Hell can u say Haynesworth not playing, cost the Skins the game? Alexander said he was gassed. So, that is a lame *** excuse.



now McNabb plays 48 minutes, but doesn't completely understand the 2 minute offense, oh no wait, doesn't have the "cardiovascular endurance" to play the final 2 minutes of the game? And if that's not enough, today on his presser when asked if CP would be able to play for the Eagles game, Shanny said that his hamstring should be fine, but he won't be able to play for "a couple of weeks" because of "conditioning"? Are you kidding me?!?! Dudes miss extended periods of time in the NFL all the time and come back and play when they're healthy. You work them back in slowly if you have to, but you don't keep them on the sidelines working out doing sprints! Is he trying to be a personal trainer or a head coach?!?! LOL

:cry:Do you really think CP is game ready, after missing a month of football?

[maskedsuperstar]

Yes, he basically said McNabb lacked stamina, which is a lie.

OTOH, I agree with those saying we as fans, nor does the media need to know his actual reasoning behind not letting McD run the 2 minute drill.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Shanahan_Says_Injuries_Contributed_to_McNabb_s_Ben ching_168554.jsp

Shanahan knows just a little more than you do. Just a little.

[Frostx08]

Yea I don't buy it either. You're telling me that the guy that has been scrambling...running...avoiding ten sacks a game doesn't have "cardiovascular endurance" ???

And what was the excuse yesterday? I don't think Shanny realizes that his comment about McNabb today was even worse. Yesterday he threw him under the bus....today he changed his tires...put spikes on it, then did donuts all over Donovan, then drove around the corner...came back again, then turned on the hydraulics on his bus and continued to smash Mac5

[MustangSteve]

I think Kyle and Donovan need some one/one time together - perhaps Kyle needs to listen to experience at quarterbacking.


Bravo!!! When Joe Gibbs came to Washington in 1981, he brought in his offense from San Diego and tried to make the Redskins offense the same as the Chargers, one that would air it out and light it up, but it just didn't work. Joe Theisman went to Gibbs house and they sat down and talked during that hard time. Joe Gibbs changed his philosophy and play calling after an 0-5 start, and re-designed his offense to the strength of his team. The Redskins only lost 3 games the rest of the season and went on to the Super Bowl the next 2 years in a row, winning their 1st the very next year in 1982. In 1983 Joe Gibbs offense broke the NFL scoring record, and was a beautiful offense to watch.

To make a long story short, Joe Gibbs didn't try to force an offense on a team that wasn't fit for it. He added his own touches and adjustments to the team he had, delivering us 4 Super Bowl appearances with 3 Lombardi Trophies. Great coaches will make adjustments with what they have to work with, and I feel this offense and McNabb can do much better if some adjustments are made by Kyle and Mike Shanahan. Just my :2cents:

[ArmchairRedskin]

I'll buy what Coach is selling. Donovan has been knocked around like nobody's business back there. It doesn't surprise me that he's dealing with some leg injuries.

We come out of the bye rolling on offense a little better and all this drama will be forgotten. I do think it's way overblown right now. People are talking about fractured lockerrooms and McNabb already deciding not to come back. Save the drama fo yo momma.

[Frostx08]

I have never seen such drama of a qb being pulled,lol, and coach said he is still the starter. Coach also said in the pc today that the media were making a big deal over nothing.

What other Qb have you seen being pulled? Cutler after 4 interceptions? Carson Palmer after well...sucking despite having TO and OchoCinco? Henne? I mean...I've seen many established Qbs struggle but the team sticks with their leader and makes the necessary moves for next season. It seems perfectly okay and normal to some even to bench McNabb

[Frostx08]

Bravo!!! When Joe Gibbs came to Washington in 1981, he brought in his offense from San Diego and tried to make the Redskins offense the same as the Chargers, one that would air it out and light it up, but it just didn't work. Joe Theisman went to Gibbs house and they sat down and talked during that hard time. Joe Gibbs changed his philosophy and play calling after an 0-5 start, and re-designed his offense to the strength of his team. The Redskins only lost 3 games the rest of the season and went on to the Super Bowl the next 2 years in a row, winning their 1st the very next year in 1982. In 1983 Joe Gibbs offense broke the NFL scoring record, and was a beautiful offense to watch.

To make a long story short, Joe Gibbs didn't try to force an offense on a team that wasn't fit for it. He added his own touches and adjustments to the team he had, delivering us 4 Super Bowl appearances with 3 Lombardi Trophies. Great coaches will make adjustments with what they have to work with, and I feel this offense and McNabb can do much better if some adjustments are made by Kyle and Mike Shanahan. Just my :2cents:

Great post

[konga2145]

Yea I don't buy it either. You're telling me that the guy that has been scrambling...running...avoiding ten sacks a game doesn't have "cardiovascular endurance" ???

And what was the excuse yesterday? I don't think Shanny realizes that his comment about McNabb today was even worse. Yesterday he threw him under the bus....today he changed his tires...put spikes on it, then did donuts all over Donovan, then drove around the corner...came back again, then turned on the hydraulics on his bus and continued to smash Mac5 To begin with coach does not need an excuse for pulling Mcnabb, thats his job not ours or the medias

[redskins55]

Giving up draft picks for McNabb( didnt think it was necessary but trusted Shanahan)
Signing Larry Johnson and Willie Parker ( Didnt like it, but trusted Shanahan)
Keeping Galloway on the final roster and releasing Devin Thomas ( didnt like it but trusted Shanny)
Cutting Larry Johnson after 2 games ( thought it to be strange but trusted Shanahan)

Benching McNabb on the final drive of the game and continuing to lie about the reason. ( The trust has worn out!!)

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

Bravo!!! When Joe Gibbs came to Washington in 1981, he brought in his offense from San Diego and tried to make the Redskins offense the same as the Chargers, one that would air it out and light it up, but it just didn't work. Joe Theisman went to Gibbs house and they sat down and talked during that hard time. Joe Gibbs changed his philosophy and play calling after an 0-5 start, and re-designed his offense to the strength of his team. The Redskins only lost 3 games the rest of the season and went on to the Super Bowl the next 2 years in a row, winning their 1st the very next year in 1982. In 1983 Joe Gibbs offense broke the NFL scoring record, and was a beautiful offense to watch.

To make a long story short, Joe Gibbs didn't try to force an offense on a team that wasn't fit for it. He added his own touches and adjustments to the team he had, delivering us 4 Super Bowl appearances with 3 Lombardi Trophies. Great coaches will make adjustments with what they have to work with, and I feel this offense and McNabb can do much better if some adjustments are made by Kyle and Mike Shanahan. Just my :2cents:

That's 50 cents worth!! Right on!

[DownTownCharlieBrown87]

To begin with coach does not need an excuse for pulling Mcnabb, thats his job not ours or the medias

With all your Shanny (_|_) kissing, you're gonna need a new pair of lips for Xmas!! LOL

[Bang]

Yes, he basically said McNabb lacked stamina, which is a lie.

OTOH, I agree with those saying we as fans, nor does the media need to know his actual reasoning behind not letting McD run the 2 minute drill.

I'm guessing you don't remember McNabb's lackadaisical stroll thru the last 3 minutes of his only Super Bowl?
Puking in the huddle, walking to the line while his shot at the trophy ticked away.

Sorry, but there is most certainly precedent for him getting tired in a game. In the biggest game. With a chance to win.

~Bang

[grhqofb5]

Hey, I was thinking that maybe if we yell loud enough, and complain enough, we might have a shot at running both McNabb and Shanahan out of town this year.

Let's try to remember that these two are not the problem. Its the other 30 or so guys who remain from last year's historically pathetic team that are the real issue. No talent, no heart, and no intelligence. Bad way to go through life. Here's to clearing another 1/3 of them out this offseason.

[stevemcqueen1]

I don't think Shanahan is lying so much as trying to come up with a rationale explaining what was an impulsive, gut decision to pull McNabb. His explanations after-the-fact sound goofy. He made a spur of the moment decision without a lot of thought into it. Just say you went with your gut there, Mike, and can the 2-minute drill, cardiovascular crapola.

Maybe. He does have a pattern of making inexplicable decisions already and covering them with flimsy excuses. But for this particular situation, he's had so much goodwill to work with from the fan base and the media all he had to say was, "We had to win this game, I went with the QB I felt gave us the best chance to win." Nobody would side with McNabb over him. Practically nobody sided against him on the multitude of questionable decisions he made up until now.

[Forever21]

Hello, I treat my football coaches like politicians, because I, th fan, must know everything, because I demand so. I demand every one of my know-nothing questions be answered until I feel satisfied.

:jerk:

~Bang

Bang. I think I love you.

[Frostx08]

I'm guessing you don't remember McNabb's lackadaisical stroll thru the last 3 minutes of his only Super Bowl?
Puking in the huddle, walking to the line while his shot at the trophy ticked away.

Sorry, but there is most certainly precedent for him getting tired in a game. In the biggest game. With a chance to win.

~Bang

Do you have picture or video evidence of the "puke" ??

[Frostx08]

To begin with coach does not need an excuse for pulling Mcnabb, thats his job not ours or the medias

So coaches shouldn't be held accountable?

Alrighty....

[stevemcqueen1]

Actually, I think this thread raises a very good point. Every other move by Shanahan - his handling of Haynesworth, burying then cutting Devin Thomas, deactivating Dockery, etc. has been supported by many people chanting the "Shanny Knows Best" mantra. This one though, was a head scratcher for even the most die-hard Shanahan supporters. It's the first real chink in Shanahan's armor.

Except for all of those other chinks you just mentioned. I've been wondering why Shanahan has gotten such a pass from us. He was bad enough at his last job to get fired. He's a retread coach when that formula has never won a Superbowl before. History shows us he's a great coach. But history also shows us he's a ****ty team-builder. We hired a GM who's weak on player personnel evaluation and terrible with the draft. This wasn't a slam dunk formula for success. In fact, I think we'll probably need to complete a few Hail Marys to get the personnel to improve into a contender.

At the very least, I would have expected Shanahan/Allen to be greeted with a healthy, widespread skepticism but it never materialized.

[dcoles11]

What is most frustrating to me is the fact that we've gone through 3 coaching changes in the not so distant past and the roster has changed but this team seems to suffer through the same events.

The Redskins continue to lose to the bottom feeders, even when they made the playoffs a couple of times under Gibbs, it took late season runs because the team lost really bad teams early. Hell, if it wasn't for the Redskins, the Lions might not ever win a game.

I guess this can be seen as a positive but there is a negative side to it as well, all of the games seem to come down to the last possession. The negative side do that is, this team can't blow anyone out, they should have destroyed the Texans, but instead they lost an OT game.

Just seems like no matter who the coach is or who the QB is, the Redskins do the same thing year after year.

[konga2145]

Maybe. He does have a pattern of making inexplicable decisions already and covering them with flimsy excuses. But for this particular situation, he's had so much goodwill to work with from the fan base and the media all he had to say was, "We had to win this game, I went with the QB I felt gave us the best chance to win." Nobody would side with McNabb over him. Practically nobody sided against him on the multitude of questionable decisions he made up until now. Now thats a lie, as soon as Rex had fumbled the fans would have been all over coaches back. Like I said before anyway, ne need not have to tell us anything, so why would he lie, what would be the motive of him lying, use your head.

[Bang]

Do you have picture or video evidence of the "puke" ??

Actually, i used to. This argument raged on my Radio Hour, so it was found.. I don't know where it is now.

I can tell you that Hank Fraley and TO both confirmed the puke.

But puking is no biggie.. McNabb has puked on the field more than a few times.

Any replay of that Super Bowl will show him very tired at the end, so tired that most people credit him with the loss.

I like the guy, but the fact is, he has gotten tired at the end of games. Now, whether that's true in this case or Shanny figured he was tired of watching Rabach let him get killed, that we won't know.

~Bang

[konga2145]

If I were a coach Washington would be the last place I'd go. The media and the fans are always looking for a reason to get rid of a coach before even settled in. To much drama here.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Actually, i used to. This argument raged on my Radio Hour, so it was found.. I don't know where it is now.

I can tell you that Hank Fraley and TO both confirmed the puke.

But puking is no biggie.. McNabb has puked on the field more than a few times.

Any replay of that Super Bowl will show him very tired at the end, so tired that most people credit him with the loss.

I like the guy, but the fact is, he has gotten tired at the end of games. Now, whether that's true in this case or Shanny figured he was tired of watching Rabach let him get killed, that we won't know.

~Bang

I doubt you did have that video, since no one has ever found it.

http://otrsportsonline.com/2010/03/30/donovan-mcnabb-did-not-throw-up-in-super-bowl-xxxix/

Though there is video of him puking in a different game. But you're right, he clearly looked tired at the end of that Super Bowl. And saying he was tired is generous, because otherwise he just choked.

[stevemcqueen1]

What other Qb have you seen being pulled? Cutler after 4 interceptions? Carson Palmer after well...sucking despite having TO and OchoCinco? Henne? I mean...I've seen many established Qbs struggle but the team sticks with their leader and makes the necessary moves for next season. It seems perfectly okay and normal to some even to bench McNabb

I don't think benching McNabb is a disaster, especially at his age and his level of career achievement. He's been around long enough to take it.

I think the reasoning for doing it was unsound. Putting a cold Rex Grossman in for the most critical drive of the game was absolutely foolish, even if his protection hadn't been crap.

But sometimes you have to bench a struggling quarterback, even if he's a great one, to reboot him. When he starts watching the rush instead of the coverage, it's time for you to call it a day. He's shell shocked and he'll be useless unless you make a change. George Seifert benched Steve Young in 1994 when he was getting killed by the Eagles and Young threw an absolute HISSY fit on the sidelines. Mike Shanahan was the OC that season, so he saw first hand the effect that doing this had. It galvanized the team behind Young and they played inspired football after that week and went on a run that ended in a championship.

There are some differences in the analogy. The 49ers were a good team with legitimately high expectations (coming off NFC championship appearance, huge FA spending spree in the offseason) and the game against the Eagles was already lost when Young was pulled. We still had a chance in that game against Detroit, even if it was slim.

But the silly fitness bull**** that Shanahan keeps using as a justification for questionable decisions is getting tiresome.

[stevemcqueen1]

Now thats a lie, as soon as Rex had fumbled the fans would have been all over coaches back. Like I said before anyway, ne need not have to tell us anything, so why would he lie, what would be the motive of him lying, use your head.

You're living in your own little world if you seriously believe he has no obligation to answer a questions from the media or fans about why he benched his "franchise QB" during the final two minutes of a winnable game.

[Bang]

I doubt you did have that video, since no one has ever found it.

http://otrsportsonline.com/2010/03/30/donovan-mcnabb-did-not-throw-up-in-super-bowl-xxxix/

Though there is video of him puking in a different game. But you're right, he clearly looked tired at the end of that Super Bowl. And saying he was tired is generous, because otherwise he just choked.

We actually did,, an Eagles fan captuired it out of his copy of the game.
He bends over, and the line closes in around him. He looks all the world like he has a puke, and wpies his mouth when he comes back up and buckles his chinstrap.

I'm not in the habit of lying on the internet to fluff myself.. like I said, in my radio hour we made fun of him a lot for it,, nd the debate with eagle fans raged back and forth til one of them sent me the vid that I saw.
To be fair, I can't say I saw any actual puke, but it sure lookedlike the puke stance. We coupled that with Owens saying he did, and Fraley saying it got on his shoes.. and declared victory over the Eagles fans.

Either way, that part of it isn't really important. Like you said, there are other vids of him puking,, it happens to a lot of them.
London Fletcher pukes before every game. Last year I saw him doing it in a trash can behind the sideline reporter who was talking about something or other. I was laughing pretty hard. Jim Kelly was another known puker.

for my personal feeling on yesterday, I think Shanahan let him sit for his health. We need him after the bye week. Losing this game hurts, but it won't make or break the rest of the year at this junction. There's still 8 games to go, and even Stevie Wonder can see we'll be better with a shaky McNabb than a steady Grossman.

~Bang

[stevemcqueen1]

Did the Skins (Shanahan) really have to give away two picks for McNabb to hold his audition?

Yeah I agree with you. QB isn't like any other position on the roster. We either need to make a long term commitment to McNabb or move on and get serious about finding a long term solution there.

[brandymac27]

I like McNabb, but his performance yesterday wasn't great for whatever reason(s). Maybe Shanny's excuses or "lies" as some people are calling them are just statements he's making to protect McNabb. Maybe he doesn't wanna come right out and say that "McNabb sucked so I pulled him". To me, that would be worse than saying what he has. I mean, I don't blame him for not wanting to throw our QB under the bus for poor performance if this is actually the case. I do agree that pulling him out of the game was a weird move, and I don't claim to know why he did it. I just think that he's trying to protect McNabb and the morale in the locker room by saying stuff like it was cardio issues, etc. and I can't really blame him for that.

[Duckus]

Yes. I trust him. I don't agree at ALL with his benching of McNabb, but I still trust him and think he is a fantastic coach.

[PeterMP]

I like McNabb, but his performance yesterday wasn't great for whatever reason(s). Maybe Shanny's excuses or "lies" as some people are calling them are just statements he's making to protect McNabb. Maybe he doesn't wanna come right out and say that "McNabb sucked so I pulled him". To me, that would be worse than saying what he has. I mean, I don't blame him for not wanting to throw our QB under the bus for poor performance if this is actually the case. I do agree that pulling him out of the game was a weird move, and I don't claim to know why he did it. I just think that he's trying to protect McNabb and the morale in the locker room by saying stuff like it was cardio issues, etc. and I can't really blame him for that.
The easy solution in that case is 'No Comment'.

[brandymac27]

The easy solution in that case is 'No Comment'.

Yeah, that's an option too, but I think that would have gone over even worse than this situation.

[Rufus T Firefly]

We actually did,, an Eagles fan captuired it out of his copy of the game.
He bends over, and the line closes in around him. He looks all the world like he has a puke, and wpies his mouth when he comes back up and buckles his chinstrap.

I'm not in the habit of lying on the internet to fluff myself.. like I said, in my radio hour we made fun of him a lot for it,, nd the debate with eagle fans raged back and forth til one of them sent me the vid that I saw.
To be fair, I can't say I saw any actual puke, but it sure lookedlike the puke stance. We coupled that with Owens saying he did, and Fraley saying it got on his shoes.. and declared victory over the Eagles fans.



Calm down. I wasn't accusing you of lying, I suggested you might be mistaken.

[Bang]

Calm down. I wasn't accusing you of lying, I suggested you might be mistaken.

:ols:
I truly wasn't upset, nor did I feel that you accused me of it. Sorry if it came off that way.

~Bang

[Rufus T Firefly]

:ols:
I truly wasn't upset, nor did I feel that you accused me of it. Sorry if it came off that way.

~Bang

It read that way to me, but could have been my mistake.

We'll let it go for now, but I reserve the right to challenge you to a duel later.

[Snarky]

Fans who doubt Shanny now are classic bandwagoners. C'mon, man!

That's why players and coaches ignore fans. Win, you're a hero. Lose, you're run out of town. And that's on a week-to-week basis.

Everyone cries that we don't have a long-term plan, then freak out when one thing goes wrong. That's why forums are for fans... it's a great place to vent and be stupid together.

[jflow78]

Yeah, I still trust Shanahan. I don't, for the life of me, understand the decision, but everything else has worked enough to get us to .500 and beat some teams no one thought we had a chance to hang with. So, yes, I'm still happy he's here.

Maybe he just didn't realize how ultra dissected every move he makes would be in DC, compared with Denver. I don't know.

[Bang]

It read that way to me, but could have been my mistake.

We'll let it go for now, but I reserve the right to challenge you to a duel later.

Fair enough! Pencils at dawn!

~Bang

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

I'm gonna need somebody to photoshop some "Depends" and replace the words with "Shannys"

[KokoMike]

Shanahan has gotten a free pass up to this point. But, the honeymoon is over.

Two coaching decisions stand out for me:

1. Going for it with more than 2 minutes left on 4th and 10 from our own 28. We are down by 3. Two timeouts left. Punt, hold them, and we get it back at our 30 or so with nearly 2 minutes left. That is plenty of time for even some cardiovascular-challenged QB like Sonny Jurgensen.

2. After that stupid call, pulling the cardiovascular-challenged McNabb for a guy who was sucking wind from the moment he stepped on the field.

Then, he explains it to us in a non-credible fashion. That was even worse than the game mistakes.

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

How dare he insult our intelligence and lie to our faces. He needs to be held accountable for these actions in the form of unemployment.

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

I'm gonna need somebody to photoshop some "Depends" and replace the words with "Shannys"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kYqIYBWF3NM/SwwCRpXdjuI/AAAAAAAAAhw/X2VP_jFxEdo/s400/depends.jpg

come on make it happen...

[brandymac27]

Shanahan has gotten a free pass up to this point. But, the honeymoon is over.

Two coaching decisions stand out for me:

1. Going for it with more than 2 minutes left on 4th and 10 from our own 28. We are down by 3. Two timeouts left. Punt, hold them, and we get it back at our 30 or so with nearly 2 minutes left. That is plenty of time for even some cardiovascular-challenged QB like Sonny Jurgensen.

2. After that stupid call, pulling the cardiovascular-challenged McNabb for a guy who was sucking wind from the moment he stepped on the field.

Then, he explains it to us in a non-credible fashion. That was even worse than the game mistakes.

I agree. Going for it on 4th was plain stupid IMHO.

[SKINSFAN87]

I'm totally behind shanahan, this is a pointless thread. Do u want zorn back?

[stevemcqueen1]

I'm totally behind shanahan, this is a pointless thread. Do u want zorn back?

I like Shanahan the coach and think he deserves several more seasons to get us turned around. But Shanahan and Zorn aren't our only choices you know.

[skinsr4reel]

Any way you look at it its a horrible move. You dont pull your starter QB that you invested in with 2 minutes left in a game you are trailing...a game where he kept you in it. A QB that has you at 4-4, a VERY Reasonable record for what we should have at this moment...No other QB on this team would have us at .500 other than Mcnabble. Sorry went off on a tangent, with 2 minutes left in the game you do not pull your starter for REX EFFIN GROSSMAN. I'm sorry...You dont. If you want to pull him, pull him after halftime, or pull him the next game...not with 2 minutes left. I dont care how much respect people have for the shanny, it was a dumb move all around and virtually ALL NFL experts agree...Acutally I think its literally ALL. Lets see how this affects us going down the road...

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Why should he have to, no other coach does. Coach keeps things in house and everyone knows this. Him telling the media what they want to hear is a joke cause they would only twist it around,.The media making him tell them why he did this is as bad as Snyder telling him what to do.People please leave coach alone and allow him to do his job.

Obviously we have differing views on what's right and what's wrong.

I don't give a flying **** what the media or the rest of the Nation perceive him to be by his honesty. I DO care about this organization being as straight up with this fan base as id humanly possible. As I stated in the post you run in the other direction with, it's a complete insult to the inelegance of this fan base to come up with some spurious excuse to save face. You had a gut feeling that Grossman would give us more of a chance to win. I don't agree at all with that, but I accept it as your the man in charge. But please don't treat us with contempt and try tell us it was for a completely different reason. That just compounds the boneheaded move in the first place.

And I'm a staunch Shanahan backer. I love Coach Gibbs, and don't think I admire anyone else as much as a man, let alone for all he did for my team. But i'd be of the same, disappointed opinion of him if he was the protagonist here.

I guess we both just have differing views on what we expect from people. I have far more respect for brute honesty than this. Related aside, but I hate when you watch a poor game when a team plays **** poor/ doesn't put it in whatever before your very eyes; and the Coach subsequently comes out with some spurious crap about how hard they competed, how unlucky they were; how proud he is of them et all. Just tell it like it is. There's no need to throw the team under the bus, but if you play garbage, admit it, say you'll be doing everything in your power to rectify it the next week, and move on. Is it so hard?

But again, it's past, I still have 100% faith in the new regime and everything they've achieved to date ahead of schedule with the very average talent at their disposal; and now we move onto Philthy a week Monday night.

Hail.

[polywog999]

I hope that we go 4-12! SOME of you people deserve to have a team with that kind of record.

A bunch of quitters! Thats what some of you guys are! :applause:

LOL! I was wondering how long it would take for the whiners to start yapin'. :puke:

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Nope, i did at first but now we are the joke of the league again.

[KDawg]

I hope that we go 4-12! SOME of you people deserve to have a team with that kind of record.

A bunch of quitters! Thats what some of you guys are! :applause:

LOL! I was wondering how long it would take for the whiners to start yapin'. :puke:

I don't get this attitude. It has a really, really bad vibe to it. I suppose you're superior to everyone with any shade of doubt simply because you buy into what's going on 100%?

I guess its not okay to have concerns with a team anymore. Interesting.

[LD0506]

Once again, we have a situation where the discussion says far more about the people talking than it does about the actual circumstances. The number of people actually privy to the facts here is vanishingly small, and not a single one of them posts here, so absolutely everything stated has been pure speculation, or in some case fabrication. It is one thing to question moves made, it is something very different to have....this. C'mon KDawg, is there really a genuine conversation here? THIS was the premier of "The Walking Dead", a handful of survivors try and keep it together while they watch the horde of zombies flood the streets.

Some of the regulars here who already had my respect earned more and I applaud their attempts at rational responses and their steady faith. Others just validated what I already thought of them and their ilk, running off half-cocked, quarter-cocked or not cocked at all to broadjump to the most stupid conclusions and infantile demands. This has become like a 48hr Game Thread now.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I hope that we go 4-12! SOME of you people deserve to have a team with that kind of record.

A bunch of quitters! Thats what some of you guys are! :applause:

LOL! I was wondering how long it would take for the whiners to start yapin'. :puke:

So you'd rather the team implodes and loses the next 8 so you can prove a point to the knee-jerker's?

Just who's got the asinine, ass backward logic again? :doh:

Hail.

[KDawg]

Once again, we have a situation where the discussion says far more about the people talking than it does about the actual circumstances. The number of people actually privy to the facts here is vanishingly small, and not a single one of them posts here, so absolutely everything stated has been pure speculation, or in some case fabrication. It is one thing to question moves made, it is something very different to have....this. C'mon KDawg, is there really a genuine conversation here? THIS was the premier of "The Walking Dead", a handful of survivors try and keep it together while they watch the horde of zombies flood the streets.

Some of the regulars here who already had my respect earned more and I applaud their attempts at rational responses and their steady faith. Others just validated what I already thought of them and their ilk, running off half-cocked, quarter-cocked or not cocked at all to broadjump to the most stupid conclusions and infantile demands. This has become like a 48hr Game Thread now.

Sorry if I lost your respect or if I am running off "half cocked, quarter cocked or not cocked at all". There is a conversation to be had here. It perhaps isn't something we can truly decide on now, but it doesn't mean we can't talk about it. Shanahan has lost some people's respect, and quite frankly made an extremely bad decision choosing to pull McNabb at the juncture that he did. Pulling him earlier would have been a better choice. And now that it looks like we could lose McNabb because A) He doesn't want to be here, or B) because Shanahan isn't fond of him it appears as if the deal he made helped to hamper our rebuilding efforts by giving away valuable draft picks.

As I've stated, I haven't lost full faith in Shanahan. In fact, I'm more annoyed than I am angry. Clearly he didn't evaluate McNabb properly or this wouldn't be an issue. Where Shanahan messed up was allowing the fans to believe that we were in win now mode. This bumped people's expectations. Had he just declared we were rebuilding and stayed away from trading picks for Brown and McNabb I don't think anyone would be feeling this way.

But people make mistakes. It should be something he can clean up if he's half the coach we think he is, and he is. You don't win Super Bowls without knowing what's going on.

But I'll be damned if I don't note that there are problems with this team. Anyone who thinks we're okay has their head so far up their own butt that I don't even know what to say.

We have an identity crisis. It can still be fixed. But there is a conversation here, like it or not.

[FrFan]

Funny how quick some people react to a loss, hating today what and who they loved yesterday, and tomorrow after a win they will all change their minds again. I know the loss to the Lions was really frustrating, especially a couple of penalties which changed the outcome of the game ( -14 points on the board). Shanahan & Co are doing the best they can with the little they have, don't expect a major change on offense since our OL is in shambles. Some people also forget that he is the one who brought in Torain, Banks, made Laron an elite player at his new position on the field, and gave a chance to Armstrong.

[konga2145]

Obviously we have differing views on what's right and what's wrong.

I don't give a flying **** what the media or the rest of the Nation perceive him to be by his honesty. I DO care about this organization being as straight up with this fan base as id humanly possible. As I stated in the post you run in the other direction with, it's a complete insult to the inelegance of this fan base to come up with some spurious excuse to save face. You had a gut feeling that Grossman would give us more of a chance to win. I don't agree at all with that, but I accept it as your the man in charge. But please don't treat us with contempt and try tell us it was for a completely different reason. That just compounds the boneheaded move in the first place.

And I'm a staunch Shanahan backer. I love Coach Gibbs, and don't think I admire anyone else as much as a man, let alone for all he did for my team. But i'd be of the same, disappointed opinion of him if he was the protagonist here.

I guess we both just have differing views on what we expect from people. I have far more respect for brute honesty than this. Related aside, but I hate when you watch a poor game when a team plays **** poor/ doesn't put it in whatever before your very eyes; and the Coach subsequently comes out with some spurious crap about how hard they competed, how unlucky they were; how proud he is of them et all. Just tell it like it is. There's no need to throw the team under the bus, but if you play garbage, admit it, say you'll be doing everything in your power to rectify it the next week, and move on. Is it so hard?

But again, it's past, I still have 100% faith in the new regime and everything they've achieved to date ahead of schedule with the very average talent at their disposal; and now we move onto Philthy a week Monday night. My point is that you all are excepting what he is telling you as a lie. I'm saying is he could be telling us the truth but niot coming across because he is using football terminology we just don't understand

Hail.

[konga2145]

Obviously we have differing views on what's right and what's wrong.

I don't give a flying **** what the media or the rest of the Nation perceive him to be by his honesty. I DO care about this organization being as straight up with this fan base as id humanly possible. As I stated in the post you run in the other direction with, it's a complete insult to the inelegance of this fan base to come up with some spurious excuse to save face. You had a gut feeling that Grossman would give us more of a chance to win. I don't agree at all with that, but I accept it as your the man in charge. But please don't treat us with contempt and try tell us it was for a completely different reason. That just compounds the boneheaded move in the first place.

And I'm a staunch Shanahan backer. I love Coach Gibbs, and don't think I admire anyone else as much as a man, let alone for all he did for my team. But i'd be of the same, disappointed opinion of him if he was the protagonist here.

I guess we both just have differing views on what we expect from people. I have far more respect for brute honesty than this. Related aside, but I hate when you watch a poor game when a team plays **** poor/ doesn't put it in whatever before your very eyes; and the Coach subsequently comes out with some spurious crap about how hard they competed, how unlucky they were; how proud he is of them et all. Just tell it like it is. There's no need to throw the team under the bus, but if you play garbage, admit it, say you'll be doing everything in your power to rectify it the next week, and move on. Is it so hard?

But again, it's past, I still have 100% faith in the new regime and everything they've achieved to date ahead of schedule with the very average talent at their disposal; and now we move onto Philthy a week Monday night. My point is that you all are excepting what he is telling you as a lie. I'm saying is he could be telling us the truth but niot coming across because he is using football terminology we just don't understand

Hail. M point is that some of us don't understand football terminology and maybe,though coming across wrong, he is trying to be truthful without telling the whole world the extent of Mcnabbs injuries

[THEREALTOR1]

Obviously we have differing views on what's right and what's wrong.

I don't give a flying **** what the media or the rest of the Nation perceive him to be by his honesty. I DO care about this organization being as straight up with this fan base as id humanly possible. As I stated in the post you run in the other direction with, it's a complete insult to the inelegance of this fan base to come up with some spurious excuse to save face. You had a gut feeling that Grossman would give us more of a chance to win. I don't agree at all with that, but I accept it as your the man in charge. But please don't treat us with contempt and try tell us it was for a completely different reason. That just compounds the boneheaded move in the first place.

And I'm a staunch Shanahan backer. I love Coach Gibbs, and don't think I admire anyone else as much as a man, let alone for all he did for my team. But i'd be of the same, disappointed opinion of him if he was the protagonist here.

I guess we both just have differing views on what we expect from people. I have far more respect for brute honesty than this. Related aside, but I hate when you watch a poor game when a team plays **** poor/ doesn't put it in whatever before your very eyes; and the Coach subsequently comes out with some spurious crap about how hard they competed, how unlucky they were; how proud he is of them et all. Just tell it like it is. There's no need to throw the team under the bus, but if you play garbage, admit it, say you'll be doing everything in your power to rectify it the next week, and move on. Is it so hard?

But again, it's past, I still have 100% faith in the new regime and everything they've achieved to date ahead of schedule with the very average talent at their disposal; and now we move onto Philthy a week Monday night.

Hail.

GHH, I've noticed you've pointed out several times, and so have others, that you're pissed off because you're not being told the truth by MS. When Shanny was hired, I thought it became public knowledge, that with him, unlike some of more recent former coaches, you're not going to get the entire story, you're only going to get half of it at best. Keeping that in mind, and listening to what he's saying now about this situation, it's obvious that there's more going on under the surface, but I don't think we'll ever know about it, and frankly I don't think we should. I'm glad the coach isn't straight up with the fans about every last detail, ie Zorn who would essentially bring the playbook into the press conf., and that he's only going to tell what he wants to be told. Look at this board for example, its a screen shot of society today. You take 100 fans into a blue room, and tell them that the walls are blue, and 1/3 will agree with you, 1/3 won't, and the remaining will ***** because they think the walls should be a different color. Coaches' job is to try to convince 53 grown men to follow every detail of every instruction he gives, it's not to cuddle the crowd base so that all of us can feel like were in the loop. I can't even imagine what this board, or DC, or the country for that matter, would be like if every coach came out and was "upfront and honest" to its fan base. :twitch: Our society as a whole would fall apart by next Tuesday.

[SonnyJdayz]

Didnt have any problem at the end of the 1st half, or during his 40 yard scramble? I didnt see a single post where anyone said he was hobbling or appeared injured.. Sometimes, you dont need a taped confession to know if somone is pullin your chain..

He was our leading rusher.....:doh1:

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Ya 'know REALTOR man, I really like the way, in the main, Coach Mike gives the media the bare minimum. He's very Gibbs esk (Sp?) in that regard; and the way the media as a whole has gone I don't blame him in the slightest for that.

But there's different circumstances as to when it's appropriate to just be straight up with what everyone can see and not come out with spurious B/S just for the heck of it or to save face. Zorn went WAY too far the other way (like you mentioned, he virtually gave away the entire game plan at times to the opposition); and I wouldn't want Coach Shanahan to be anything like that. We shouldn't know everything that happen's in the locker room and beyond, and I wouldn't suggest the organization's at all wrong in keeping things in-house that should STAY in house. But in an instance like this, when everyone and his dog can see this was a monumental, gut decision that back-fired and ultimately cost any chance of the game; please, don't insult me, you, and every other Redskin fan out there by expecting us to buy one spurious cover story after another. You already have the vast majority of this fan base's total respect, and we won't think any worse of you by holding up your hand and admitting you tried something that didn't work, and we learn from it and move on. Is that so hard to do in an instance like this?

Shrugs, just the way I see it and would like my Coach to be. I'm not so much pissed as just disappointed.

But it's passed now. Hopefully we don't have another head scratcher of this proportion to debate in the future.

Hail.

[slaga]

"In Shanny I trust"??? I put absolute trust in almost no person on this planet. (Mike) Shannahan and Bruce Allen are driving this bus now and the direction this franchise is headed seems to be alot brighter than it has been for the last decade. Whether I, as a fan, feel he made a mistake or not is irrelevant. Had McNabb pulled a hammy and been out for 4 weeks and someone broke the story that Shannahan feared that might happen, Shannahan would be blasted by the media just as much. Shannahan made a decision and is standing by it. He isn't making excuses or playing the what if game like this board constantly does. He has set the course and I am going along for the ride even though he may take a turn or 2 that I might not agree with. This is the first year in his offensive scheme and a new defensive scheme and I was really hoping at the start of the season we would go into the bye at 4-4 and finish at 8-8 or better. We are a half a season into his tenure and I see progress and that is exactly what I want right now. My ultimate goal is continued success. I want to be dissappointed when we do not make the playoffs as opposed to being happy to squeak in occasionally with a wild card. I am not saying Shannahan will take us there but the compass seems to be pointing in the right direction.

[THEREALTOR1]

.

But there's different circumstances as to when it's appropriate to just be straight up with what everyone can see and not come out with spurious B/S just for the heck of it or to save face...

But in an instance like this, when everyone and his dog can see this was a monumental, gut decision that back-fired and ultimately cost any chance of the game; please, don't insult me, you, and every other Redskin fan out there by expecting us to buy one spurious cover story after another. You already have the vast majority of this fan base's total respect, and we won't think any worse of you by holding up your hand and admitting you tried something that didn't work, and we learn from it and move on. Is that so hard to do in an instance like this?



That's rare these days to see someone in his position, or any position of power (politician, entertainer, athlete, etc...), stand up and take accountability for any action. There's probably reasoning behind it, but thats a whole 'nother topic that would certainly derail this thread.

But you're reasonings' fair enough, and as you suggest, its the past now. And i'm sure we'll have more head scratchers', but as you suggest hopefully they'll be minor, and we'll see if this FO, this team, this fanbase can hold itself together and get thru this year as successfully as possible.

Hail!

[polywog999]

So you'd rather the team implodes and loses the next 8 so you can prove a point to the knee-jerker's?

Just who's got the asinine, ass backward logic again? :doh:

Hail.

Hey man....I'm happy cause we will pick in the early first round of the draft next year and we can FINALLY win big!

Remember all that talk LAST year?

[LD0506]

Sorry if I lost your respect or if I am running off "half cocked, quarter cocked or not cocked at all".

Whoa there, none of that was directed at you specifically or at the reasonable, knowledgeable faction that you are a part of. It WAS for the screamers that want to fire the coach and burn down buildings in the wake of a game lost to Detroit. Huge difference.

Yes, there is a rational conversation to be had about this because yes, the whole thing is questionable in my mind as well, but the acceptable, sane reaction is not to roll on the ground and piss one's pants.

Once again, disagreement and debate is a healthy, positive thing. It's what we come here for, it's what drives this site, but it is really difficult to consider everything posted in the Stadium at the moment as fitting under the umbrella of "conversation".

[Fieldy]

Yes, I trust Shanny.

I think everyone needs to give this a few weeks to play out before making judgements. 2.5 weeks ago we were pissed about how he handled AH all offseason and through the first 6 weeks of the season. Now what? AH has had his two best games as a Redskins. Let's give it some time and see if this is another genious Shanahan move, or the franchise sinking back to the levels of which we are accustomed.

[Son of Gadsden]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb? So how do you trust a liar?!?! Hmmmmm...

he has two rings. so i trust him more than you.

he can lie all he wants as long as he gets a few more rings, in fact.

because at the end of the day he's likely a hall of fame coach, and we are all still arm chair warriors with no rings.

[PorkSkins]

Never been a Shanny fan. Who said we have to trust or like him? I'm a Redskins fan, not a Shanny fan. If he puts W's up on the schedule then I'll tolerate him. If he puts L's on the schedule then I'll help design a light rail to ride him out of town.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I absolutely still do....

[DCsportsfan53]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb? So how do you trust a liar?!?! Hmmmmm...

I trust a liar in this circumstance because lying to us and the media means abso-freakin-lutely nothing in regards to successfully coaching a team and whether or not his players belive in him. Is he lying? Almost certainly. I expect him to lie to us, he SHOULD be lying to us. The only people he owes any explanation or honesty to are the people who work at Redskin's Park. He benched McNabb because he was playing like **** and had just tried to give the game away with a decidely rookie interception. Why do we let sport's medias need to fill endless hours of radio time, and therefore overhyping the **** out of everything, color our opinions? Shany benched Elway 5 or 6 times for Christ's sake. Move along, nothing to see here.

[OnlySkins4ever]

I trust Shanny. He benched a guy who has been playing bad all season, who cares? And yes, I know the Oline was playing horrible.

[KDawg]

I trust Shanny. He benched a guy who has been playing bad all season, who cares? And yes, I know the Oline was playing horrible.

Not about the benching. It's about not doing the research on his "hand picked" quarterback. We gave up too much for him not to fit with the offense and to make a one and done appearance in DC. Way too much.

[Bang]

I think the media and fan base in this city wouldbe happy if Shanahan gave out the game plan, and told everyone which offensive linemen would likely be easiest to beat.
After all, that would be being straight up with you guys. and it sounds like that's what you want.

Ridiculous, of course. I hear people on this board for years now talking about how we should emulate those who are successful.. Patriots, Colts, Steelers... how often does Bill Bellichek tell you ANYthing?
Anything at all? You think people in New England care if he "lies" to the press? Do you think they care if he obscures injuries, if he refuses to answer certain questions? Do you think they care when he stonewalls the media? Do you think they care when he gives them an answer that everyone knows is false?

The crucifixion of Shanahan is ridiculous. Understand that all of us know nothing. Nothing at all. Not in context with what he knows.
But what we do know is how the media is in this city. How they will do anything they can to trip up the team, regardless of how they might play it otherwise. Anyone not think Dukes and Lavar weren't laughing with glee when McNabb was benched? I do. I believe they called each other immediately and were laughing like kids.. easy radio this week.. conspiracies abound!
In fact, this morning on 980 the guy on there PROMISED that this was not like Denver where he could get away with being dodgy, and that they (the media) would do their best to represent us, the fans, in getting to the truth.

Hey fans. Simple question.
What do you want? Wins, or honesty? If his being "dishonest" leads to other teams not knowing something important, why is it you would want to change that? Why is it you ASSUME that what he's saying is not designed to plant info, or cause doubt in the minds of other teams? These are all tried and true and PROVEN tactics that Shanahan has used to be one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.

But we know better, right?
Sure we do.

I've said it before.. I have no idea why anyone would come here. This city is merciless in it's idiocy. In fact, given Shanahan's frustration with the hostility of the media here already, I wouldn't be shocked if he said to hell with it and left after the year.

~Bang

[skinsfan190]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb? So how do you trust a liar?!?! Hmmmmm...
:doh: This season is DONE. We may go 8-8 but are hopes of 10-6 or playoffs is done. There is def something fishy going on here. It's time I honest with myself and really think about this. WE ARE NOT STUPID. Kory Lit sucks period. Doc should be starting. You benched McNabb because u think his play stinks. Not because of his cardiovasular endurance :doh: or because he doesn't know the 2 min drill :doh: He basically called McNabb out of shape and dumb instead of staying the truth.

With that said I know he has a plan and McNabb aint it. Hopefully we will get a 2nd rounder for McNabb after we franchise him and trade him. I'm sure Both Shanahan's are lookinf for their next great QB because he aint on this roster rite now.

[Bang]

:doh: This season is DONE. We may go 8-8 but are hopes of 10-6 or playoffs is done. There is def something fishy going on here. It's time I honest with myself and really think about this. WE ARE NOT STUPID. Kory Lit sucks period. Doc should be starting. You benched McNabb because u think his play stinks. Not because of his cardiovasular endurance :doh: or because he doesn't know the 2 min drill :doh: He basically called McNabb out of shape and dumb instead of staying the truth.

With that said I know he has a plan and McNabb aint it. Hopefully we will get a 2nd rounder for McNabb after we franchise him and trade him. I'm sure Both Shanahan's are lookinf for their next great QB because he aint on this roster rite now.

I think it's funny that you insist that "we are not stupid" and then proceed to prove you are.

How many practices have you attended? Any meetings? Any film sessions? How's the gameplanning work?

Thatr's what I thought.

Sit in your seat and cheer. That is what your role is. You are a fan. Nothing more. You know next to nothing about what actually goes on. You see the games, but you don't "see" the games the way they do. You don't know the game the way they do. To assume otherwise is more proof of stupidity.

~Bang

[rd421]

Yes I do still trust in Shanny

[hail2skins]

I hear people on this board for years now talking about how we should emulate those who are successful.. Patriots, Colts, Steelers... how often does Bill Bellichek tell you ANYthing?......What do you want? Wins, or honesty? If his being "dishonest" leads to other teams not knowing something important, why is it you would want to change that? Why is it you ASSUME that what he's saying is not designed to plant info, or cause doubt in the minds of other teams? These are all tried and true and PROVEN tactics that Shanahan has used to be one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.....I've said it before.. I have no idea why anyone would come here. This city is merciless in it's idiocy. In fact, given Shanahan's frustration with the hostility of the media here already, I wouldn't be shocked if he said to hell with it and left after the year.

When all is said and done, I don't think the media expects the coaches to be totally truthful, and I think the coaches realize that part of the media's business is to analyze and speculate.

Sure Belicheck holds his cards close to the vest, but possibly the reason he isn't questioned is because he has won, and won big.

Shanahan probably got a pass for a long time due to the two SB wins, but after a while when the playoff success wasn't coming, I bet the heat started to turn up a bit in Denver. No, its not DC, but the city is pretty football crazy. It'd be hard to convince me that Mike probably started to get ripped in Denver towards the end for some of the same reasons he's getting ripped for this incident. And right now, what he did in Denver doesn't count with the DC media.

[boofMcboof]

Hey fans. Simple question.
What do you want? Wins, or honesty? If his being "dishonest" leads to other teams not knowing something important, why is it you would want to change that? Why is it you ASSUME that what he's saying is not designed to plant info, or cause doubt in the minds of other teams? These are all tried and true and PROVEN tactics that Shanahan has used to be one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.

But we know better, right?
Sure we do.

~Bang


That's a false dichotomy. I expect a coach to diffuse this kind of situation not add fuel to it. I expect a coach to not throw his players, especially a team captain under several busses (knowledge of the playbook, conditioning, maybe even poor practices).

Shanahan should know better as he's been in the league a long time but living on the West Coast, I've seen this type of petulant and off-putting behavior from him all too often.

[MassSkinsFan]

I hear people on this board for years now talking about how we should emulate those who are successful.. Patriots, Colts, Steelers... how often does Bill Bellichek tell you ANYthing?
Anything at all? You think people in New England care if he "lies" to the press? Do you think they care if he obscures injuries, if he refuses to answer certain questions? Do you think they care when he stonewalls the media? Do you think they care when he gives them an answer that everyone knows is false?

No, no one cares. In fact, people eat it up. Patly it's because there is a M******* sensibility here, and partly its because they know he's got something up his sleeve every time.


IHey fans. Simple question.
What do you want? Wins, or honesty? If his being "dishonest" leads to other teams not knowing something important, why is it you would want to change that? Why is it you ASSUME that what he's saying is not designed to plant info, or cause doubt in the minds of other teams? These are all tried and true and PROVEN tactics that Shanahan has used to be one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.

~Bang

I want wins. Despite my shock at the benching, I'm still not ready to crucify Shanny. It's still too early to tell.

Also, seeing the team photo from this morning (the one where McRibb and Sexy R are joking around) I'm betting that the locker room is not yet lost, and things are not as dire as portrayed by the media.

I'm keeping the faith. Hail.

[skinsfan190]

I think it's funny that you insist that "we are not stupid" and then proceed to prove you are.

How many practices have you attended? Any meetings? Any film sessions? How's the gameplanning work?

Thatr's what I thought.

Sit in your seat and cheer. That is what your role is. You are a fan. Nothing more. You know next to nothing about what actually goes on. You see the games, but you don't "see" the games the way they do. You don't know the game the way they do. To assume otherwise is more proof of stupidity.

~Bang

Thanks for calling me stupid buddy but I beg to differ with ur logic. Lets try using common sense.

Do u think he benched McNabb because rex understood to 2 min more?
Do u believe McNabb couldn't run the 2 min because of his cardiovasular endurance and nagging injuries?
Cause I don't. If u think he's telling the truth ur drinking the cool aid too much. His last 2 press conferences have been a joke. He talking to the media and the fans like were dumb and believe the crap he is saying. Anyone whose seen our games whos Doc is better than Kory L and Casey Rabach gets beat constantly. U want to bench people bench them too. That is why I say we are not dumb. I also know he has a plan and McNabb is not in those plans. After these last few days that is very obvious

[Taylor4Life]

Hey fans. Simple question.
What do you want? Wins, or honesty? If his being "dishonest" leads to other teams not knowing something important, why is it you would want to change that? Why is it you ASSUME that what he's saying is not designed to plant info, or cause doubt in the minds of other teams? These are all tried and true and PROVEN tactics that Shanahan has used to be one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.

But we know better, right?
Sure we do.

I've said it before.. I have no idea why anyone would come here. This city is merciless in it's idiocy. In fact, given Shanahan's frustration with the hostility of the media here already, I wouldn't be shocked if he said to hell with it and left after the year.

~Bang

Excellent post, and I share your frustration. Sometimes I think that Washington is every bit as "uncoachable" as California is "ungovernable." Now, Snyder and the front office contribute to that, but there's no doubt that it has a lot to do with the fans and the media as well.

[JPCreativelab]

i'm quite sure that Washington has the least intelligent fan base/media in the league...has there been a study?

[MassSkinsFan]

i'm quite sure that Washington has the least intelligent fan base/media in the league...has there been a study?

me not so shure but hav think no troo

[skinsfan190]

I've said it before.. I have no idea why anyone would come here. This city is merciless in it's idiocy. In fact, given Shanahan's frustration with the hostility of the media here already, I wouldn't be shocked if he said to hell with it and left after the year.

~Bang
I get some of your points but as a mass communications student and aspiring sports reporter, there is NO WAY u can let the coach off the hook by the craziness he's said and done over the last 2 days. I've said It before, I'm sure there is a method to this madness but at the same time u must ask the tough questions and his answers were laughable. Even the great Shanahan is worthy of criticism I don't care how many rings he has. This is how the world works. You must answer to people this is what comes with the position.

As a fan I just don't like how he handled the benching in a game we could have won and has stupid remarks sunday and monday. Is there Method? I hope so. Cause the madness is running rampant rite now. As a reporter, he is making no sense. He's telling lie after lie and he could lose the team because of it. Trust me I'm a huge fan, I've been with the Shanahan train from day one but when u do and say crazy things u MUST question it. Hopefully Donavan gets crazy motivated and determined and turns into the QB Shanahan wants him to be, but on the other hand things could go bad real quick.

[ouvan59]

After listening to his press conference this afternoon, it's quite obvious to me that Shanahan is telling one lie after another to try and cover up his post game lie behind his reasoning for benching McNabb? So how do you trust a liar?!?! Hmmmmm...

Ummmm, he doesn't have to tell the truth. He's here to coach football games. Neither the press nor you and I are entitled to the truth behind his coaching decisions. He is required to talk to the media but that doesn't mean he has to tell them anything of substance. I could care less.

[Bang]

Thanks for calling me stupid buddy but I beg to differ with ur logic. Lets try using common sense.

Do u think he benched McNabb because rex understood to 2 min more?
No, I don't. I think he benched him because he was getting killed.
I also don't care if he tells me he benched him because the man in the moon told him to do it.


Do u believe McNabb couldn't run the 2 min because of his cardiovasular endurance and nagging injuries?
I don't care if he told me it was because McNabb only has one leg while I can clearly see two of them. As I have said, there's more to it than I know, and obviously there's more to it than he wants me to know. As a fan, I can accept that, because I want the wins he's capable of delivering. I want the prolonged success he is capable of delivering. . You clearly can't accept it.. You must know, and you feel it is your right to know, and that is preposterous..


Cause I don't. If u think he's telling the truth ur drinking the cool aid too much. His last 2 press conferences have been a joke. He talking to the media and the fans like were dumb and believe the crap he is saying. Anyone whose seen our games whos Doc is better than Kory L and Casey Rabach gets beat constantly. U want to bench people bench them too. That is why I say we are not dumb. I also know he has a plan and McNabb is not in those plans. After these last few days that is very obvious

And again, you seem to feel as if it's your right to know things, and you also feel as if there's some koolaid to be drunk.
Here's the Koolaid, slick. This team is not built yet. Period. This is the first year of what might be a lengthy rebuilding process. You don't turn it around overnight, as you seem to have expected with the first comments in your other post about the season being over. (How's that KoolAid taste?) There's too many holes, too many players ill-suited to any scheme since they are a mish-mash of players brought in to run three different schemes.
Contrary to what you seem to believe, when coaches take over a team, they have a plan, and more often than not, the players there don't quite match that plan, and in our case that is especially true since we've been riding so long on the coaching carousel, and had a bona-fide card carrying moron running the front office for so long.
This year is about testing them out. This year, for Shanahan and company, is about finding out who will be here when they REALLY start to build what they envision.

You seem to think playoffs were not only possible, but plausible. They might be possible, even if it's highly unlikely, but it most certainly is NOT plausible.

As far as his press conferences go, I'm going to give you some homework.
Go watch Bill Bellichek handle a press conference. Go watch how he's done it for ten years.
Then get back to me about what a joke it is.
Warning.. he's going to lie. A LOT. He is going to misrepresent. A LOT. He is going to dodge questions. A LOT. He is going to ignore questions. Almost ALWAYS. And, he will flat out make stuff up so they will shut up. he doesn't respect the media,, bunch of armchair QBs is what they are. In fact, most coaches and players don't respect the media, for the same reason. And then we have the DC media, who not only believes they deserve answers, but will be openly hostile in their zeal to create controversy and stories they can print. No town in the league has a media that hates it's team like we do. Nowhere else. Not even in Detroit are they this persistent in their stupidity. It's one catastrophe after another according to them, and listening to the shrieking ninnies of the fan base while they gulp down bowl after bowl of their bull**** is music to their ears.

In fact, Bill Bellichek hardly ever answers ANY questions. Ever. He gives rehearsed pat answers, week in and week out, over and over and over. He doesn't care if the fans cry about him lying like you are.

Oh, and he wins. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

So decide what you want.

~Bang

[MassSkinsFan]

As far as his press conferences go, I'm going to give you some homework.
Go watch Bill Bellichek handle a press conference. Go watch how he's done it for ten years.
Then get back to me about what a joke it is.
Warning.. he's going to lie. A LOT. He is going to misrepresent. A LOT. He is going to dodge questions. A LOT. He is going to ignore questions. Almost ALWAYS.
In fact, Bill Bellichek hardly ever answers ANY questions. Ever. He gives rehearsed pat answers, week in and week out, over and over and over. He doesn't care if the fans cry about him lying like you are.

Oh, and he wins. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

So decide what you want.

~Bang

Good assignment. He's mastered the art of nullifying the modern instrusive, muck-raking presser. He's taken us a step back to the good old days when a team's dirty laundry stayed with the team.

I hope Shanny can get there.

[Bang]

I get some of your points but as a mass communications student and aspiring sports reporter, there is NO WAY u can let the coach off the hook by the craziness he's said and done over the last 2 days. I've said It before, I'm sure there is a method to this madness but at the same time u must ask the tough questions and his answers were laughable. Even the great Shanahan is worthy of criticism I don't care how many rings he has. This is how the world works. You must answer to people this is what comes with the position.

As a fan I just don't like how he handled the benching in a game we could have won and has stupid remarks sunday and monday. Is there Method? I hope so. Cause the madness is running rampant rite now. As a reporter, he is making no sense. He's telling lie after lie and he could lose the team because of it. Trust me I'm a huge fan, I've been with the Shanahan train from day one but when u do and say crazy things u MUST question it. Hopefully Donavan gets crazy motivated and determined and turns into the QB Shanahan wants him to be, but on the other hand things could go bad real quick.

In regards to his method, I'd suggest looking at his record.
And then I'd sugggest looking at this team and how the 53 men on it got here. And then look when they got here, and what they were brought in to do.
And then ask yourself how long is it going to take to get the team molded the way they want to run the new offense.
Seriously. Of the 53 on this roster, how many are secure in the knowledge they'll be here next year, and how many are auditioning for that chance?
I'm happy for your choices in life, and I want you to be a good reporter..I wish you all the success. Get your story. But at the same time, don't turn your brain off to what it is you're covering, and how it works.

In this case, it seems to me as if the reporters are hampering the process of rebuilding with their lack of understanding that they are not going to be privy to everything.
Everyone wants to be Woodward and Bernstein., y'know?

Since you're an aspiring sportswriter, I'll put this to you. In my mind, the most inexplicable thing on Sunday was going for it on fourth down with 3 minutes left on our own 20. THAT cost us the game as much as anything did, because not only did it play WAY against the odds (our 3rd down % is lousy,, and 3rd and long is even worse.) it left the Lions with an easy scoring opportunity, and it took the ball out of the hands of our best weapon on Sunday, Brandon Banks. If we punt there and subsequently hold, then who knows what he could do to put us in position to win. Obviously the Special teams saw something they could exploit,, namely the entire right side of the field. He crossed all the way over there nearly every time and got the corner twice.. once for the TD, once for about 45 yards. He's a field-position flipper, and we neglected to use that when it mattered most.
To me that is a much more pressing question because it showed me a fundamental lapse in tactics during the game.
What do you think?

~Bang

[Bang]

That's a false dichotomy. I expect a coach to diffuse this kind of situation not add fuel to it. I expect a coach to not throw his players, especially a team captain under several busses (knowledge of the playbook, conditioning, maybe even poor practices).

Shanahan should know better as he's been in the league a long time but living on the West Coast, I've seen this type of petulant and off-putting behavior from him all too often.

well, to use the fuel and fire analogy... if you add fuel to a fire, a fire has no choice but to grow.
It's a fire. That's what it does.

We're not fire. We have the choice of what to do with the fuel.
Unfortunately, we like to burn as brainlessly as fire.

~Bang

[LD0506]

Am I the only one who finds it tres amusant that we are arguing about the coach lying on election day? :ols:

[Taylor4Life]

Am I the only one who finds it tres amusant that we are arguing about the coach lying on election day? :ols:

Funny. Some of us are acting as if Shanny is an elected official, and that he must be accountable to the press and transparent in his football operations. I hope Shanny persists in stonewalling the media, because it's funny to see them stamp their little feet like children whenever Shanny doesn't give them the answers that they want.

[skinsfan190]

Since you're an aspiring sportswriter, I'll put this to you. In my mind, the most inexplicable thing on Sunday was going for it on fourth down with 3 minutes left on our own 20. THAT cost us the game as much as anything did, because not only did it play WAY against the odds (our 3rd down % is lousy,, and 3rd and long is even worse.) it left the Lions with an easy scoring opportunity, and it took the ball out of the hands of our best weapon on Sunday, Brandon Banks. If we punt there and subsequently hold, then who knows what he could do to put us in position to win. Obviously the Special teams saw something they could exploit,, namely the entire right side of the field. He crossed all the way over there nearly every time and got the corner twice.. once for the TD, once for about 45 yards. He's a field-position flipper, and we neglected to use that when it mattered most.
To me that is a much more pressing question because it showed me a fundamental lapse in tactics during the game.
What do you think?

~Bang
Totally agree on the 4th down decision. I couldn't believe it. With a full field to go I def think our defense could have stopped them with 2 timeouts and the 2 min warning. Instead he chose to conced at least 3 pts and force us to have to score a TD to win. Mind u we scored a FG with under 25 before half.

The reason this was overshadow is because he benched the starting QB with 1:45 left in a game we could have won. I think he could have just said, I believe McNabb's injuries was hampering him a bit and he was taking a pounding" then it wouldn't have been this HUGE story. Instead he basically said my QBs a dummy and not fit enough to lead a fast paced offense. Obviously he didn't say it like that but he left a lot of room for interpretation with his terrible pressers. I think Shanahans's "lies" or shrew cover-ups weren't so shrew. I get ur BB and Patriots point but I think Shanahan's handling of the pressers made this situation a million times worst, as far as the perception of the media and fans of what is truely going on.