Sick of the Press

[RichyRich]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/02/AR2010110206593.html

Disclaimer: I am not Dan Snyder, nor do I know anyone or have met anyone working for the organization. I'm just a fan that doesn't know <veiled profanity removed by ES Staff>

This article is disgusting. Mike Wise and anyone who buys in to these speculations is senseless and should just go and root for another franchise. Fans like me are sick of reading negative half-truths. Articles like these manipulate public opinion way too much, and are purely assumptive. I can assure you that Shanahan can make better football decisions than any of us, including Mike Wise. Shanahan made a mistake, maybe,... get over it.

I'm at confident that our team is heading in the right direction. Even if Shanahan, indeed, doesn't support McNabbs ability to run the team (I personally do not believe to be true btw)... So let history take its course and trust that Shanahan knows what he's doing. He sees this guys every throw, and is in his head, every day. He sees a lot more than we see EVERYDAY. His record and history in the NFL certainly has earned his respect to make any call that he feels may put our team in a position to be a better team. People need to relax, the O-line will be fine, offense will be fine, the defense will be fine. We've had some disappointments this season. We'll be fine.

This team has played with more heart this season than in the past 10 yrs. Good things will come. Shanahan has created structure within our organization, and I have the utmost confidence in his ability to lead.
It really doesn't get much better than him - so sit back and enjoy the ride.

Mike Wise and Sally Jenking write the most ridiculous ariticles. How they are employed by the Washington post is a mystery to me.

[herrmag]

Well, that's what media does, in all facets of life. Not just sports. The idiots will buy in if it is in print. That's life.

Now, Mike Wise is one of the worst sports journalists I've ever seen. Granted, he writes well enough to be printed on a newspaper (unlike Lavar/Dukes/Bmitch/Doc, etc). But, that doesn't mean he isn't always looking for a story and taking an angle that will give him pub. Tony K. is the king of this. It was only 4 years ago when Tony said the Caps were finished in washington, and were going to move. All of his Washington Post disciples look for similar angles. Hell, it makes money, right?

[Zguy28]

I agree with the sentiment, but not circumventing the profanity filter. :)

[MadMonkey]

I think most here would agree with you besides those that buy into the media crap. I think the worst think I heard this week about the Shanahan DMac benching was Deon Sanders playing the race card saying it was a racial thing and the locker room could be divided. I can't remeber the last time I visited the Post's website and I sure don't listen to Mike Wise on radio or read his cluck brained articles.

[scott.sharrer]

The media, whether its sports, politics, or anything else, are going to use bits and pieces from multiple sources to write an article that will grab attention. Reason.....simple the more readers/viewers they get, the more money they will make and the bottom dollar is what matters the most. Case in point. If you were to be interviewed and the interview took 20 minutes, do you honestly think that the entire interview would make it to print? NO they are going to take the quotes they want, adlib a little (or a lot depending on the person) and turn it into a story that they can sell to the public. Everytime you read any newspaper, any article, watch any news story, that is what you are getting. You need to be able to take what they say, differentiate between fact and opinion and then form your own opinion. Nothing irritates me more then people who hang on every word they read in articles, hear on the radio or news. And that goes for any topic/subject not just sports. Society today does not promote free thinking, we are lead to believe that the media is always right, and that is the farthest thing from the truth

[GaryGreenMonk]

the insane media coverage here is certainly part of the reason it is so difficult to succeed here.

[Riggo#44]

the insane media coverage here is certainly part of the reason it is so difficult to succeed here.

You know and I think this is part of the reason for the s-storm. Shannahan has already admitted he is overwhelmed by the coverage, I really think he just misspoke...or misremembered... I don't think it's anything more than that, and 90% media blow-up.

[Rypien1191]

This Mike Wise business is really hurting our rep.

I know exactly what you mean, Richy Rich.

Every newsman in this city is laughing at us. And I don't like it.

I don't like the put-downs! We're gonna do something about it. It's time to put an end to this!

[scott.sharrer]

You know and I think this is part of the reason for the s-storm. Shannahan has already admitted he is overwhelmed by the coverage, I really think he just misspoke...or misremembered... I don't think it's anything more than that, and 90% media blow-up.

If Shanny were to say to the media this week "I am tired, stressed, and looking forward to the bye week" The media would spin it and say that he is thinking about stepping down after the season.

[Bantu]

Im usually the first to say how the media in this town is so knee-jerk reactionary to anything that happens with the 'Skins; however, I do feel that Shanny screwed up big time this week with his mishandling of the McNabb situation. Im not judging him for benching McNabb, but his multiple/changing reasons really exposed what an amateur he is when dealing with the public. As much as we may not like it, how a coach deals with the public is as much a part of the job as the x's and o's are.

[Mursilis]

If you find an article you really don't like, is the smart move really to draw more attention to it?

[sideshow24]

Do what I do: Don't read the Washington Post and don't listen to Mike Wise. And remember that the media by and large are not fans of the team they cover. They are fans of themselves and their profession, which I think is among the most dishonest and self-serving professions.

[Mark The Homer]

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[maskedsuperstar]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/02/AR2010110206593.html
Mike Wise and Sally Jenking write the most ridiculous ariticles. How they are employed by the Washington post is a mystery to me.

I agree. I have no idea how they are employed. When the Skins lose, its the "sky is falling" reporting. Its just ridiculous. The Skins are headed in the right direction. Mike Wise wants controversy. He thrives on it. The Skins can make all the right moves but he always puts a negative spin on it.
The Skins will be fine!!! Don't pay attention to BSPN, Tony Kornhole, Michael Wildung or any other clown.

[leesburgvaskinsfan]

I respectfully disagree with Bantu.

Coach Shanahan's job here as head coach is to put the best team on the field and win ball games. How he deals with the press is secondary.

Yes, it's part of the job. Have you heard Belichick in front of the press? Give Shanny a break. He's in rebuild mode here and we as fans should try to somehow feel good that we have him, with his experience, putting together a win now team while also looking at the long view down the road.

Personally, I could care less how the media spins these so called "situations'. The media is in the business to make money with their "stories". Shanahan is in the business to win ball games and bring us a championship team.

IMHO it's that simple.

Hail!

[Capt Rich Fla]

Watch your language in front of the ladies!:pfft:

[Bantu]

I respectfully disagree with Bantu.

Coach Shanahan's job here as head coach is to put the best team on the field and win ball games. How he deals with the press is secondary.

Yes, it's part of the job. Have you heard Belichick in front of the press? Give Shanny a break. He's in rebuild mode here and we as fans should try to somehow feel good that we have him, with his experience, putting together a win now team while also looking at the long view down the road.

Personally, I could care less how the media spins these so called "situations'. The media is in the business to make money with their "stories". Shanahan is in the business to win ball games and bring us a championship team.

IMHO it's that simple.

Hail!

Secondary? Sure. But still a part of the job. And probably causes just as much stress as the football stuff.

Trying to compare him to other coaches and their styles of dealing with press is irrelevant because we're not debating style. All we are saying is Shanny did not deal with this situation well when the media confronted him on it.

[Capt Rich Fla]

It is DC. It is what it is. New York has a press that is just as vicious. Take the press in a place like Jacksonville. That's like elementary school kids going up against college grads. These coaches should know coming in that they are coming into the big legues as far as press goes. DC & NY are definitely the big legues. They need to learn to get along with the press like Gibbs 1. You can't go after the press, cause they do have power.

[Boss_Hogg]

ESPN 980 "Sports Reporters" are the biggest haters IMO.

[Rypien1191]

ESPN 980 "Sports Reporters" are the biggest haters IMO.

Kiss my ***!!! I'm the biggest hater!!!!

And as for you, Boss Hogg, very insulting what you said about my coat....

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

ESPN 980 "Sports Reporters" are the biggest haters IMO.



100% agree with this.

It's even seeped into their 2nd tier of "reporters" like Scott Jackson, Scott Lin et al.

Oh, and Al Gauldy. Can't stand him either.

[Capt Rich Fla]

ESPN 980 "Sports Reporters" are the biggest haters IMO.

Are they hating or are they trying to point out the obvious that we don't want to admit?

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

Are they hating or are they trying to point out the obvious that we don't want to admit?

They're hating.

They rent commercial bulldozers and dig four stories deep when they can't find anything immediately apparent to hate on.

[JimmiJo]

Kiss my ***!!! I'm the biggest hater!!!!

And as for you, Boss Hogg, very insulting what you said about my coat....

I disagree with the thrust of this thread (for reasons that may be obvious to some), but have to give love to any man who would quote the Playa Haters Ball.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go put some water in Buck Nasty mama's dish.

Good evening.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

I disagree with the thrust of this thread (for reasons that may be obvious to some), but have to give love to any man who would quote the Playa Haters Ball.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go put some water in Buck Nasty mama's dish.

Good evening.

Who knew thread's had a thrust?

[Boss_Hogg]

Are they hating or are they trying to point out the obvious that we don't want to admit?

man they hate like there is no tomorrow.

Andy Polan and Steve Czaban are awful, these guys hate the Redskins and it shows on their broadcasts. It's almost like listening to a radio broadcast from a rival team's market.

Neither one of them is a fan of the team, I get that. But the ad nauseam hating is atrocious.

[angel2]

Secondary? Sure. But still a part of the job. And probably causes just as much stress as the football stuff.

Trying to compare him to other coaches and their styles of dealing with press is irrelevant because we're not debating style. All we are saying is Shanny did not deal with this situation well when the media confronted him on it.



But, the media is so guilty of redundancy that it is obvious that they are collectively waiting for Shanahan to crack under the media's pressure of asking the same type question over and over again.

The bottom line here is how McNabb has handle it. And, just maybe Shanahan is calling Donovan out for the second halve of the season. I had no problem with Mike's decision other than it came too late. Donovan will be fine and seems to have moved on. Surely he has been down that road before in Philly. BTW, when McNabb was benched in Philly was it the same circus as it was here? This organization, justly so, at times brought this ---- on themselves with the bone-headed moves it has made in the past.

[J-bomb]

I disagree with the thrust of this thread (for reasons that may be obvious to some), but have to give love to any man who would quote the Playa Haters Ball.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go put some water in Buck Nasty mama's dish.

Good evening.

:ols::ols::ols::ols: Hilarious!!!! :point2sky,

Hate,Hate,Hate,Hate!!! Classic skit!

[scott.sharrer]

I would personally support the idea of the NFL banning the press from speaking to coaches and players until 2-3 days after a game. Questioning them on important matters just minutes after a tough game is unfair IMO. I know they should be able to handle it but their emotions are still on the field and they probably don't give a **** what anyone is asking or saying at that point. We as fans all have time to collect our thoughts before making any statements, they don't and I think they should be allowed that chance. They are people, not super-beings and should still be treated as such no matter their position

[E-Dog Night]

Not sure if "disgusting" is the right word to describe this article. Not everyone who has ever written an article hates the Redskins, folks.

[scott.sharrer]

Not sure if "disgusting" is the right word to describe this article. Not everyone who has ever written an article hates the Redskins, folks.

True and the way it was said on here early was a bad use of words. Reality is, writers and reports are not paid to like teams. They are paid to make money for the company they work for. And in the words of Eric Bishoff....."Controversy Creates Ca$h"

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

Not everyone who has ever written an article hates the Redskins, folks.

We realize that.

[GoSkins561]

Mike Wise is a desperate fool, I can't stand the guy, Skins fans need to stop listening to his show, so he goes away.

[scott.sharrer]

Mike Wise is a desperate fool, I can't stand the guy, Skins fans need to stop listening to his show, so he goes away.

didn't you know that the media is always right and that they can read the minds of everyone ensuring that their stories are 100% true and authentic? lol

[Spooky]

Mike Wise is a desperate fool, I can't stand the guy, Skins fans need to stop listening to his show, so he goes away.

He is not the only one. The Post is in financial woes. They need to sell a lot of papers. They have never been in the business of feel good stories.

[Gracelander]

I came to the decision earlier in the week to just turn off WJFK, just listening to lavar & pukes makes me sick. If I want real Skins news i'm just sticking with ES.

[Lavarleap56]

The media is always right and on top of things around dc. Remember when jimmy Johnson was set to be hired as the skins coach after spurrier left ? Paper printed that the same night we brought on Gibbs. Have to love those newspapers. Skins Have had junk for beat reporters since mark maske left.

[TK]

The media is always right and on top of things around dc. Remember when jimmy Johnson was set to be hired as the skins coach after spurrier left ? Paper printed that the same night we brought on Gibbs. Have to love those newspapers. Skins Have had junk for beat reporters since mark maske left.
Hey, I'm still waiting on us to trade Haynesworth. :rotflmao:

[MusicCitySkin]

Journalism is dead. Now it's a disgusting, lying profession where instead of truth being the goal, now it's money like every thing else. Absolutely filthy, vile, and repulsive.

Not only that, but apparently their favorite thing to do is pick on the Redskins.

[Lavarleap56]

Hey, I'm still waiting on us to trade Haynesworth. :rotflmao:

Exactly

[AngloSackSon]

Andy Polan and Steve Czaban are awful, Neither one of them is a fan of the team, I get that.

They're cynics, I'll give you that, but Czaban is a big 'Skins fans. He just happens to be like half of this board when the going gets tough.

Media coverage will always be negative for this team, because heaping praise, even when it is due, doesn't draw readership/viewership.

[AllAboutTheU]

I can't wait til we beat the Eagles on Monday night. It just stinks that the media will be able to harp on this debacle for the next two weeks. McNabb will be back, and I think he will have a strong second half to the season.

[konga2145]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/02/AR2010110206593.html

Disclaimer: I am not Dan Snyder, nor do I know anyone or have met anyone working for the organization. I'm just a fan that doesn't know <veiled profanity removed by ES Staff>

This article is disgusting. Mike Wise and anyone who buys in to these speculations is senseless and should just go and root for another franchise. Fans like me are sick of reading negative half-truths. Articles like these manipulate public opinion way too much, and are purely assumptive. I can assure you that Shanahan can make better football decisions than any of us, including Mike Wise. Shanahan made a mistake, maybe,... get over it.

I'm at confident that our team is heading in the right direction. Even if Shanahan, indeed, doesn't support McNabbs ability to run the team (I personally do not believe to be true btw)... So let history take its course and trust that Shanahan knows what he's doing. He sees this guys every throw, and is in his head, every day. He sees a lot more than we see EVERYDAY. His record and history in the NFL certainly has earned his respect to make any call that he feels may put our team in a position to be a better team. People need to relax, the O-line will be fine, offense will be fine, the defense will be fine. We've had some disappointments this season. We'll be fine.

This team has played with more heart this season than in the past 10 yrs. Good things will come. Shanahan has created structure within our organization, and I have the utmost confidence in his ability to lead.
It really doesn't get much better than him - so sit back and enjoy the ride.

Mike Wise and Sally Jenking write the most ridiculous ariticles. How they are employed by the Washington post is a mystery to me. I agree. Seems like the crave negativaty and will try to create it even if it is not there

[Enforcer_FFX]

Agreed - they need to get their "facts" confirmed before running with it.....Also, being critical is fine. That's part of the job. But, what I don't like, is how much of the local guys, seem to genuinely ENJOY and REVEL in piling on. Dead horses are beaten to a pulp with glee!

[Boss_Hogg]

Another "insider" I can't stand is Chris Mortensen.

Eck, what a waste this guy is to ESPN. Although I'm starting to think the whole network is garbage

[celticsalmon]

The local press is guilty of the very arrogance they accuse Shanahan of. How can the Wilbon, Wise and company seriously proclaim to know more about coaching than a Professional Head Coach. They present their opinions as fact. It is tedious, tiresome and amateurish. They are right in saying that Shanahan never had to deal with this in Denver where objectivity may be more valued than here.

[scott.sharrer]

Agreed - they need to get their "facts" confirmed before running with it.....Also, being critical is fine. That's part of the job. But, what I don't like, is how much of the local guys, seem to genuinely ENJOY and REVEL in piling on. Dead horses are beaten to a pulp with glee!

Their jobs and field allow them to write the stories without getting their facts together. Worst part of journalism. They can take what they are given, write the story, not verify it, and have no backlash for it because they can claim journalistic freedom. They use the freedom of the press to the extreme and do not care what effect it has on anyone. You have to be able to take what they report and decipher it and figure out the facts from the opinions of the writer.

[sideshow24]

Agreed - they need to get their "facts" confirmed before running with it.....Also, being critical is fine. That's part of the job. But, what I don't like, is how much of the local guys, seem to genuinely ENJOY and REVEL in piling on. Dead horses are beaten to a pulp with glee!

Cool sig. Ken Harvey was one hell of a player.

[scott.sharrer]

unfortunately that is what they are paid to do

[RichyRich]

Wow, didn't expect to get much support on this one. I rarely come here. Don't ever have the time, and post 2-3 times per year. Circumventing the profanity filter wasn't with intention of circumventing the profanity filter... didn't know the rules.

I read the paper just so I can keep up with the skins. Though I REALLY can't stand Mike Wise and Sally Jenkins, I read their sections b/c I just like to read about the skins. I'm just blown away at the garbage that the wash post consistently prints. Then I go to Redskins.com and listen to interviews. Those guys doing the interviews are absolute scum bags too. They are pathetic people. #1 goal of every one of them is to promote controversy. They are so slimy. They try and catch someone, anyone, saying something wrong. They set them up. They kiss ***, etc. Sorry to vent. I'm just so disgusted by them, especially after reading and listening to it for so many years.

[Painkiller]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bgard2319/william-atherton2.jpg


Richard Thornburg: No you did not explain anything to me. All you did was shove me back here in this cattle car.
Stewardess: Sir, you were told when you boarded we were overbooked.
Richard Thornburg: Fine. Done. I accept that. But why in hell can't I get the first class meal my network paid for. Do you know who I am?
Stewardess: Yes. We've all seen your program. Your episode "Flying Junkyards" was a very objective look at air traffic safety.
Stewardess: It wasn't nearly as edifying as "Bimbos of the Sky." Was it, Connie?
Richard Thornburg: You think you're funny. You think you're funny. Fine. I've got your number.
Stewardess: And I've got yours. So park it, Sir.
Richard Thornburg: [sits down and sees Holly looking at him] Stewardess!
Stewardess: Mr. Thornburg, you cannot monopolize my time.
Richard Thornburg: You cannot put me near that woman.
Stewardess: Excuse me?
Holly McClane: He means he's filed a restraining order against me. I'm not allowed within 50 feet of him.
Richard Thornburg: 50 yards. So by keeping me in the section you are violating a court order. I can sue you and this airline. That woman assaulted me and she humiliated me in public.
Stewardess: [walks over to Holly and whispers] What did you do?
Holly McClane: Knocked out two of his teeth.
Stewardess: Would you like some champagne?

Most of the media makes me think of this guy. "The People have the right to know everything about everybody"

[1972FAN]

Well, that's what media does, in all facets of life. Not just sports. The idiots will buy in if it is in print. That's life.

Now, Mike Wise is one of the worst sports journalists I've ever seen. Granted, he writes well enough to be printed on a newspaper (unlike Lavar/Dukes/Bmitch/Doc, etc). But, that doesn't mean he isn't always looking for a story and taking an angle that will give him pub. Tony K. is the king of this. It was only 4 years ago when Tony said the Caps were finished in washington, and were going to move. All of his Washington Post disciples look for similar angles. Hell, it makes money, right?

Don't even consider Mike Wise's opinion for anything. His voice alone is annoying enough, Don't listen to anybody on 106.7 all haters that pretend they support the Redskins. Don't listen to Tony Kornheiser, The guy is a narcisist and name dropper of all the famous peeps or places he hangs out with or eats at, like we care? He was beyond horrorible on MNF. Really don't read alot of sports news print from newspapers unless its posted here, So I don't read much from Sally Jenkins. I guess I like the isolation away from all these idiots and just concern myself with the team and not all these detractors.

[OuterBanksTarHeel]

Mike Wise is a joke, and this is coming from someone who gets annoyed at all of the fans who constantly whine about the media.

Wise is the same guy who used to whine and moan about Jason Campbell not getting a "shot" in Washington. Yeah, Mike, the guy who started for three and a half a years and was never challenged by another QB never got a "shot." Sure, right. But it doesn't matter, because JC was such a nice wee little fellow to you during interviews.

Anyway, aside from the fact that Mike Wise is a complete joke, I think fans need to understand that sportswriters are not fans of the teams they write about; in many ways, fans are going to know more about their favorite team than the writers, esp. the national ones, so it's pointless to get upset when someone like Skip Bayless--a guy who has to keep up with a billion things--calls Shanahan's decision to pull McNabb racist. You are wasting your time getting worked up over this stuff--stuff that's directed at all teams in the league (there is no vast media conspiracy against a franchise that's won 2 playoff games since 1993, sorry). Fans will also have an emotional investment that will sometimes cloud their own judgments. We as fans have our own "biases" too.

Sports is entertainment; the average reader who doesn't have a lot of free time doesn't want to read articles on Mike Shanahan's zone blocking scheme. All of the good stories are stuff that happens off-the-field. Just the way it is and most of us on this board spend more time discussing that kind of stuff on our own anyway, so it's dishonest to pretend like the media isn't giving us what we want.

Face it--for the average person, and even somewhat for the diehard, the most entertaining aspect of sports are the "stories," not what actually happens on the field. That's why those "America's Game" episodes are popular, because they highlight the "stories" of those particular seasons, rather than breaking down each game and analyzing the boxscores.

[Rdskns2000]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/02/AR2010110206593.html

Disclaimer: I am not Dan Snyder, nor do I know anyone or have met anyone working for the organization. I'm just a fan that doesn't know <veiled profanity removed by ES Staff>

This article is disgusting. Mike Wise and anyone who buys in to these speculations is senseless and should just go and root for another franchise. Fans like me are sick of reading negative half-truths. Articles like these manipulate public opinion way too much, and are purely assumptive. I can assure you that Shanahan can make better football decisions than any of us, including Mike Wise. Shanahan made a mistake, maybe,... get over it.

I'm at confident that our team is heading in the right direction. Even if Shanahan, indeed, doesn't support McNabbs ability to run the team (I personally do not believe to be true btw)... So let history take its course and trust that Shanahan knows what he's doing. He sees this guys every throw, and is in his head, every day. He sees a lot more than we see EVERYDAY. His record and history in the NFL certainly has earned his respect to make any call that he feels may put our team in a position to be a better team. People need to relax, the O-line will be fine, offense will be fine, the defense will be fine. We've had some disappointments this season. We'll be fine.

This team has played with more heart this season than in the past 10 yrs. Good things will come. Shanahan has created structure within our organization, and I have the utmost confidence in his ability to lead.
It really doesn't get much better than him - so sit back and enjoy the ride.

Mike Wise and Sally Jenking write the most ridiculous ariticles. How they are employed by the Washington post is a mystery to me.

Oh really. I think the 2007 Redskins played with a heavy heart en route to the playoffs after Sean Taylor's murder.


The 2010 Redskins are mediocre, an improvement from 2009 but similiar to many teams of the past since 1992.

[SirClintonPortis]

Shanahan is not impeccable, especially with regards to building defenses. Swiss cheese best characterizes what he fielded for the Broncos in 2008.