Is Jamaal Brown worth re-signing?

[SMOSS89]

With all the talk about McNabb and the interior line, I think one thing that is being overlooked is the play of Jamaal Brown.

For one, he is still adjusting to the scheme and that is obvious. But secondly, he still had not fully recovered from the hip injury he suffered last year. This shows clearly in his movement. In situations where he is forced to get lateral he is a bit slow and can easily be overpowered. However, when he is run blocking and gets to drive the defender forward he is probably the best the Redskins have right now (hence Torrain running to the right more than the left).

The Skins traded what they traded for him (either a 3rd or 4th, with a bunch of other conditional picks), and this is the last year of his contract. It's the same issue as McNabb where, the Skins don't want to compound a mistake by trading the draft picks AND signing the guy for the long term (not that either or those trades were mistakes). The thing with Jamaal is, he is not healthy so it's difficult to judge whether or not he will get healthier as the season goes on, or will be in this condition for the rest of the season.

With all the issues facing the O line, you'd have to say that locking up bookend tackles for the next several years would be a plus.

That being said, you want to make sure it's the right bookend tackles.

Have at it.

[Enter Apotheosis]

If the team thinks he'll fully bounce back with time, he's worth holding on to. He's a good player and, if anything, this situation will knock down his asking price a bit when it comes to re-signing him.

[SMOSS89]

I think the Redskins giving McNabb and Brown before the season started were no brainers and would have been fine with me.

I mean, in theory, if you're going to give the big money to players, it should be your franchise QB and your bookend tackles.

Obviously, both of their situations have changed.

[Outlaw Torn]

If the team thinks he'll fully bounce back with time, he's worth holding on to. He's a good player and, if anything, this situation will knock down his asking price a bit when it comes to re-signing him.

Agreed. but Im worried that hes gonna want to be a LT somewhere though so I'm thinking he'll test the market and see what he can get but I bet he winds up back here.

[wildbill1952]

It's always a question of "who do you have that's better?" Is JB an All-Pro? Obviously not, although there's hope that some of the issues are injury-related. A lot depends on who you can find in FA or the draft and, to a lesser extent, who you have for depth when the inevitable injuries come to the OLine. Face it, if we had a Terrence Williams twin on the team and he could play right tackle, he'd be out there. But it wouldn't bother me to have a Jamaal Brown as the guy right behind him in the depth chart.

One of the other items seldom spoken on ES is that you can help out the tackle position. Put a TE out there, and the speed rusher loses 2 or 3 seconds of his rush to the QB. It's harder to help out your center.

So, is he worth a re-signing? The OLine is only one-fifth rebuilt. You're not going to build it in a year. Keep him until you have a replacement for frst string right tackle and depth for the same that's better than JB is. But look this year for centers and guards in FA and the draft.

[ConnSKINS26]

Honestly, I think its pretty obvious he isn't back to form, and is still working his way back from injury.

Its not like he's on the field all the time, and sucking.

He can't stay on the field...and hence, when he is, he doesn't work as well with the rest of the line.

We will probably be able to sign him for much cheaper than anticipated now, however.

[DGREENHULK]

The way I see it give him the rest of this year to fully recover and play then make a decison. I would love to see Brown actually play entire game without Heyer taking over. Brown when healthy can be a solid answer at RT for years to come. We all need to pray this is Heyer's last year here. He is OL depth but he is not QUALITY depth. I think another MUST need that has emerged is who is going to replace Rabach??? And who is going to play LG next year?? Bruce and Shanny have to see what 90% of the media and ES sees...that except for our Rookie LT the rest of our line is God Awful....

[#98QBKiller]

He was a very good LT in NO before his injury. I think he's the right man for the job. Once his hip is fully healed I think his pass protection will start to look as good as his run blocking.

[tml6157]

This is kinda a no brainer. Him not being fully recovered will knock down his price. As stated his run blocking is very good, his pass protection is not and its obvious why. This is not our year thats is obvious so I think it worked out well that we wont be paying him top dollar because he isnt fully recovered.

[scott.sharrer]

We will get him back cheap. Give him one more year

[Soup]

I think they would have to resign him to something cheap. I highly doubt anyone will pay top dollar for him in the market. besides, the skins need all the bodies they can get on that oline. IF they can't find a better player then at least we'll have someone

[drowland]

We will probably be able to sign him for much cheaper than anticipated now, however.

The Saints traded Brown because he wouldn't lower his contract demands. This after sitting out an entire season. He's not going to re-sign for cheap, even if his level of play isn't what it use to be. He'll likely test the market, and some team in need of a starting LT will pay him LT money.

[TK]

One thing that keeps getting forgotten is BMW is still on the roster & on track for a comeback. And if you remember, BMW was starting over Hicks before he had his health issue.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

If he keeps playing the way he's playing and can't play a lot of snaps, I agree with the poster a couple of posts up that we'll likely be able to keep him "on the cheap." If anything, you'd hope that Shanny can find a good RT in the draft or during the offseason to create competition and add more quality depth along the line. I think next year is going to be critical for this team's growth over the next 3 years and it will start with addressing the O line immediately IMO.

[scott.sharrer]

One thing that keeps getting forgotten is BMW is still on the roster & on track for a comeback. And if you remember, BMW was starting over Hicks before he had his health issue.

Thanks for the info. Where is he on that comeback?

[RWJ]

IF fully recovered JB should be resigned to a 3 yr deal. We need interior OL help though.

[Dukes and Skins]

IF fully recovered JB should be resigned to a 3 yr deal. We need interior OL help though.

I'd give him around 3 or 4 years with about 30 million with about 12 to 15 of it guaranteed. It would be a medium sized deal if he's able to remain healthy

[RWJ]

I bet we'll have a new OL coach next year.

[RWJ]

I'd give him around 3 or 4 years with about 30 million with about 12 to 15 of it guaranteed. It would be a medium sized deal if he's able to remain healthy


He'd come less expensive than that. I was thinking a 3yr deal for about 21 mill with about 14 guaranteed.

[Dukes and Skins]

He'd come less expensive than that. I was thinking a 3yr deal for about 21 mill with about 14 guaranteed.

I was just going for the range of about 30 just because he'll want to be paid a good amount but we won't over pay and anywhere between 20 to 30 mill would be a good signing for us IMO

[RWJ]

I was just going for the range of about 30 just because he'll want to be paid a good amount but we won't over pay and anywhere between 20 to 30 mill would be a good signing for us IMO


Could be D&S but I'm still thinking it will be lower.:)

[Dukes and Skins]

Could be D&S but I'm still thinking it will be lower.:)

:) no doubt my man could be either way for all we know he might want top 5 OT money we just aren't his agents so we won't know :ols:

[TotalRecall]

Mike Williams is a good guard, terrible tackle. And I'm not optimistic that Hicks will be a good tackle.

If we can resign McNabb for another year, and that's a big IF at this point, drafting another 1st-round OT would be great. Bookend tackles for the next 10 years will make our offense vastly better than it is now. Somehow I don't see this scenario playing out.

Brown > Heyer. Other than as a backup, no, don't resign him.

[MusicCitySkin]

Maake seems to have bounced back from injury, so I have to believe Jamaal can do the same.

[XxSpearheadxX]

This ones up to the doctors and the experience of the staff

[Dro89]

One thing that keeps getting forgotten is BMW is still on the roster & on track for a comeback. And if you remember, BMW was starting over Hicks before he had his health issue.

him at G would be great for us... gives us the chance to draft a G and sign a C... line would look so much better than way.

[XxSpearheadxX]

BMW will be in the best shape of his life. Guarantee it.

[XEL]

Though I'd rather that the team only bring him back if he can become healthy again, the price at which we can get talent of his level is too good to pass up.

[tml6157]

Maake seems to have bounced back from injury, so I have to believe Jamaal can do the same.

Maake is playing like crap. Hence why we get gashed by the run. The NT is the anchor of a 3-4. If your NT isnt up to par you then your defense will suffer.

[MusicCitySkin]

Maake is playing like crap. Hence why we get gashed by the run. The NT is the anchor of a 3-4. If your NT isnt up to par you then your defense will suffer.

The only big runs were around the edges, hardly anything up the middle. Haslett himself even said Maake is playing much better than before. His stats may not say it, but he's doing his job--which is why he's starting.

[mi6]

No! Absolutely not. He hasn't done anything to justify being signed to a long term contract.

Honestly, we don't need journey men past their prime or those who haven't lived up to their hype on our O-Line. We need young talented STUDs.

[gobigred]

It will take him another year to get right to early to judge I would keep him.

[Hitman21ST]

The Saints traded Brown because he wouldn't lower his contract demands. This after sitting out an entire season. He's not going to re-sign for cheap, even if his level of play isn't what it use to be. He'll likely test the market, and some team in need of a starting LT will pay him LT money.

If that's the case we should get a decent compensatory pick for him, right?

[Alcoholic Zebra]

The Saints traded Brown because he wouldn't lower his contract demands. This after sitting out an entire season. He's not going to re-sign for cheap, even if his level of play isn't what it use to be. He'll likely test the market, and some team in need of a starting LT will pay him LT money.

He didn't sit out because of contract demands, he sat out cause he had hip surgery. He said he realized he wasn't going to get LT money in the next offseason, so he wanted to get traded to somewhere he'd start, to prove he can still be a pro-bowl guy. He's starting, but he's still hurt, and can't prove it yet.

If anything, I can see him resigning, but asking for just a year. And that's fair. I'd be happy having him back to see if he can get that much closer to 100% after being close to 2 years removed from that surgery. He was better in pass pro earlier in the season, and was said before, he can run block very well.

[Warhead36]

I'd love to give him something like a 1 year deal with a team option for a 2nd year, with the option paying a hefty sum. We'd obviously only exercise the option if he returned to previous form(or close to it)and after that can negotiate a long term deal.

[Hubbs]

Do we never give anyone time to do anything?

I swear to God, we don't get anything done around here. Fire Shanahan after 8 games! Fire Brown after 8 games! Never allow patience!

****ing stop it.

[chipwhich]

Do we never give anyone time to do anything?

I swear to God, we don't get anything done around here. Fire Shanahan after 8 games! Fire Brown after 8 games! Never allow patience!

****ing stop it.


You mean other than Brunell, Randle El, Rabach, Heyer, Dockery, Carter, Doughty, Galloway, Johnson, etc guys like that or 1 year rookie failures??????

[Enter Apotheosis]

You mean other than Brunell, Randle El, Rabach, Heyer, Dockery, Carter, Doughty, Galloway, Johnson, etc guys like that or 1 year rookie failures??????

The fanbase (which Hubbs seemed to be referring to) didn't give those guys any time either.

[chipwhich]

The fanbase (which Hubbs seemed to be referring to) didn't give those guys any time either.

Point being, we have had guys like rabach, portis, moss, sellers here for a while, and other guys here for a short time.

Championships haven't been in the horizon then or now.

We need to demand better, not wait for another 10 years.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Point being, we have had guys like rabach, portis, moss, sellers here for a while, and other guys here for a short time.

Championships haven't been in the horizon then or now.

We need to demand better, not wait for another 10 years.

Demanding better is fine and good... but it's not a valid excuse to call for the firing or release of people who we haven't even seen the best of yet.

[NNskinsfan1]

The only big runs were around the edges, hardly anything up the middle. Haslett himself even said Maake is playing much better than before. His stats may not say it, but he's doing his job--which is why he's starting.

Dude, Kemo is some trash. Look at the other 3-4 NT in the league...they get a push off the ball..he gets pushed back every single time

[Enter Apotheosis]

Dude, Kemo is some trash. Look at the other 3-4 NT in the league...they get a push off the ball..he gets pushed back every single time

That's unnecessarily harsh seeing as Kemo is still in the process of coming back from a major injury. He's no elite NT but he's a serviceable stopgap until we find a long term solution there. All he really has to do in the meantime is hold the point of attack in the run game while occupying blockers, he doesn't need to get a ton of push to still be doing his job.

[MartinC]

I'd love to give him something like a 1 year deal with a team option for a 2nd year, with the option paying a hefty sum. We'd obviously only exercise the option if he returned to previous form(or close to it)and after that can negotiate a long term deal.

This. I would give him say a four year deal with a low first year but a decent roster bonus and increased salary at the start year 2 onwards. Let's seen if he can get healthy and back to close to his best. He may only want a one or two year deal so he can prove he is healthy and then hit the free agency sweep stakes.

We need him to bounce back so we can focus on the interior of the line.

[MartinC]

Dude, Kemo is some trash. Look at the other 3-4 NT in the league...they get a push off the ball..he gets pushed back every single time

He looked better versus Detriot, don't forget he is working his way back from a major injury and much like Brown he is not yet 100% so it's not really fair to judge him. That said I do agree we need to bring in another NT for next year but I would keep Kemo as a rotation guy.

[Skinz4Life12]

yea i think once Jamaal is 100% healthy he will be more productive and worth resigning....at least until we can draft another RT in a few years. We gotta overhaul the interior part of the line first

[RandyHolt]

Hip back to full health, a no brainer. I am just not so sure that is possible.

[darrelgreenie]

Sign him for a price = to his level of performance for this year but draft a RT anyway

[Art McDonough]

Well, right now the alternative is Stephon Heyer at RT. Nuff said.

[artmonkforHOF]

I would either do a low dollar amount short term deal with him, or an incentive heavy contract if he is looking to break the bank. Who else are you going to find? Draft picks are slim, and if you take another vet of some teams hands, it is probably because the guy has had an injury (like Brown) or simply is not good enough-good O linemen are not let go of in FA very often. At the very least, he can be a serviceable back up if they somehow find another starting RT.

[justice98]

Will he ever be fully recovered though? Maybe he's as recovered as he's gonna be. He had a serious enough injury to miss a whole year practically.

[scott.sharrer]

Will he ever be fully recovered though? Maybe he's as recovered as he's gonna be. He had a serious enough injury to miss a whole year practically.

Good question. But look at Brady (just for another perspective) he went down in week one what 2 years ago? Now look at him. Yes different injury, different player, different position. But similar desire to play the game like any other pro athelete

[Hubbs]

Jesus, give him more than one year for God's sake.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

I think that he needs to get healthy before we make the determination on keeping him. He has not been 100% and it is evident by his play. With the proper time to get healthy he can again be a force, but it is hard to do playing every week on what was a pretty major sugery,

[MWCREDSKINS]

At a cheaper salary on a 1 year deal, yes. He's still trying to recover from injuries but Jamaal can be a solid player and is still working his way back, I'm more worried about the interior line

[TheLongshot]

Well, right now the alternative is Stephon Heyer at RT. Nuff said.

Unfortunately, he isn't playing any better than Heyer right now. In fact, Heyer probably outplays him on occasion.

[JoeSkins]

Unfortunately, he isn't playing any better than Heyer right now. In fact, Heyer probably outplays him on occasion.

Sadly, there just aren't enough draft picks to fix the OLs problems. The real question is which upside do you bet on, Brown getting healthier or a younger and likely cheaper Heyer getting better with experience? Someone will be brought in to replace at least one of them.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

Well, right now the alternative is Stephon Heyer at RT. Nuff said.

Not true.

A) We have Selvish Capers
B) We get a new RG, that pushes Artis Hicks back it his natural OT position where he'll backup Brown.

BMW's bloodclots (not his fault) really threw a wrench in our o-line plans.

[TheLongshot]

Sadly, there just aren't enough draft picks to fix the OLs problems. The real question is which upside do you bet on, Brown getting healthier or a younger and likely cheaper Heyer getting better with experience? Someone will be brought in to replace at least one of them.

Well, Heyer doesn't need to get better to just retain the role of swing tackle, tho it would help. Given that Heyer was the first choice to fill in for Williams when he got hurt says a lot about Brown currently.


Not true.

A) We have Selvish Capers
B) We get a new RG, that pushes Artis Hicks back it his natural OT position where he'll backup Brown.

BMW's bloodclots (not his fault) really threw a wrench in our o-line plans.

A) No guarantee Capers becomes anything.
B) Hicks should return to the role he was playing in Minnesota: first in when someone goes down. BTW, Hicks has played guard for most of his career.