Vick Is Playing Like He Is From Another Planet. That Being Said Reid and Company Need to Stop Crying About The Sideline Hits.

[KingGibbs]

Look. There is no denying love them or hate them that Vick is playing like a man possessed and the Eagles are flying high.

There is one thing however, that they need to understand and stop crying (not literally) about and that is Vick getting hit on the sidelines. Defenders have no choice but to take their shots when he is so close to the sideline and that includes when he "appears" to be running out of bounds. I say this because Vick has these dag gamn Matrix like moves and is capable of making defenders leave their shoes behind.

There is no doubt defenders are being coached up to take their shots because Vick is capable of side-stepping when he appears to be going out of bounds and taking one to the house.

[jimb0z]

Look. There is no denying love them or hate them that Vick is playing like a man possessed and the Eagles are flying high.

There is one thing however, that they need to understand and stop crying (not literally) about and that is Vick getting hit on the sidelines. Defenders have no choice but to take their shots when he is so close to the sideline and that includes when he "appears" to be running out of bounds. I say this because Vick has these dag gamn Matrix like moves and is capable of making defenders leave their shoes behind.

There is no doubt defenders are being coached up to take their shots because Vick is capable of side-stepping when he appears to be going out of bounds and taking one to the house.

No, your wrong.

You can't take cheap shots at somebody because they outplay you. That's just wrong. No matter who the QB is.

In the dallas game he had one foot out of bounds when he got hit. In the giants game he was completely out of bounds when he got hit (and the giants were rightly penalized for it). I'm almost 100% certain that coaches are telling their players to take extra hits on vick, but it looks as though the refs are actually looking out for them now, so hopefully it will stop. It aint right. No matter what you think about vick, his playstyle or anything. Rules are rules. Those hits just ain't right.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

No, your wrong.

You can't take cheap shots at somebody because they outplay you. That's just wrong. No matter who the QB is.

In the dallas game he had one foot out of bounds when he got hit. In the giants game he was completely out of bounds when he got hit (and the giants were rightly penalized for it). I'm almost 100% certain that coaches are telling their players to take extra hits on vick, but it looks as though the refs are actually looking out for them now, so hopefully it will stop. It aint right. No matter what you think about vick, his playstyle or anything. Rules are rules. Those hits just ain't right.

really? C'mon man....you can have an opinion, but trying to pretend you know whats going on in a pro locker room, practice field and/or playing field.....is a tad bit arrogant don't ya think? I mean, would you care to tell us what else the "coaches" are telling their players?

[bishtw]

really? C'mon man....you can have an opinion, but trying to pretend you know whats going on in a pro locker room, practice field and/or playing field.....is a tad bit arrogant don't ya think? I mean, would you care to tell us what else the "coaches" are telling their players?

Ok after this post I take back the remark about you defending eagles fans I made in the "bow down" thread.

That said the eagles apologist, jimb0z, wants to cry foul on late hits on Vick
Those hits just ain't right. but takes up for Vicks killings of dogs is laughable.



What vick.....

I've seen players do much worse....

I just don't see the slaughter of dogs as an indication of mental stability. He wasn't killing them for no reason. Like it or not, legal or not, they were killed for a reason. The same reason that PETA kills thousands of dogs every year. He's not a crazy person......

People slaughter dogs all over the world. For food, for sport or even less. Putting dogs on a pedestal is a western thing

[jimb0z]

really? C'mon man....you can have an opinion, but trying to pretend you know whats going on in a pro locker room, practice field and/or playing field.....is a tad bit arrogant don't ya think? I mean, would you care to tell us what else the "coaches" are telling their players?

Your right, I don't know. it's just an opinion based on what I see happening.

You can't deny that QBs like vick and raplisburger take a heckuva lot more punishment than pretty much every other QB in the league right now. I think it goes hand in hand with how the refs are less likely to call those roughing penalties in their favor. When defenses recognize that, it's only natural to take full advantage of it. They'd be crazy not to. But the calls have been changing in recent weeks since people started making a big fuss about it, so hopefully it'll stop.

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That said the eagles apologist, jimb0z, wants to cry foul on late hits on Vick but takes up for Vicks killings of dogs is laughable.

Why would you say something so dumb? Yeah, im an eagles fan but I don't wear it on my sleeve around here like some people. I don't mix my off field drama (dogs) with my on field drama (late hits) like you apparantly do

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Maybe most players are animal lovers who want to exact their own revenge, shrugs. *Mischievous, if hopefully true me.

Hail.

[pointyfootball]

That said the eagles apologist, jimb0z, wants to cry foul on late hits on Vick but takes up for Vicks killings of dogs is laughable.

Holy crap. Can we just set that aside for another thread? Does it have to be thrown into EVERY thread?

[pointyfootball]

As to original post topic, AR is doing this purely for gamesmanship reasons, even though he might have a point. AR is hoping a few sideline penalties will slow the defenders down even more, giving Vick more passing/running room. Brady, Brees or Manning get bubble protected much more so than most other QBs, from games I've watched, mainly because they are statues and are obviously less "athletic" than those trying to tackle them. MV just looks like he doesn't need any more protecting than a RB or WR, hence the reason I think he doesn't get near the calls most other QBs, especially upper-echelon ones do.

[SkinsHokieFan]

This is why you hit Vick near the sideline

1999 Virginia Tech vs WVU

Vick is leading a last minute drive. He runs towards the sideline, slows down as if he will go out of bounds. The defenders let up for just a second.

Boom, he plants his foot and in no time is 25 yards up the sideline, allowing VT to set up for the game winning FG

Mm3nfLFTmaU

[KingGibbs]

This is why you hit Vick near the sideline

1999 Virginia Tech vs WVU

Vick is leading a last minute drive. He runs towards the sideline, slows down as if he will go out of bounds. The defenders let up for just a second.

Boom, he plants his foot and in no time is 25 yards up the sideline, allowing VT to set up for the game winning FG


Thanks for posting that. That's EXACTLY what I was referring to.

[jimb0z]

This is why you hit Vick near the sideline

1999 Virginia Tech vs WVU

Vick is leading a last minute drive. He runs towards the sideline, slows down as if he will go out of bounds. The defenders let up for just a second.

Boom, he plants his foot and in no time is 25 yards up the sideline, allowing VT to set up for the game winning FG



Wow. That is not even close to comparable with the hits he's taking now.

In dallas he had one foot over the line. In new york he was already out of bounds

In that video, he was at least 3 yards away from the edge of the field. Why would they let up on that play? Thats the defenseman's mistake or laziness

For anyone wondering, the play is at 2:20

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbzFiPmhSRE

His foot was over the line before he got hit. If you really think those two plays are similar then....i dont even know what to say to you.

[KingGibbs]

Wow. That is not even close to comparable with the hits he's taking now.

In dallas he had one foot over the line. In new york he was already out of bounds

In that video, he was at least 3 yards away from the edge of the field. Why would they let up on that play? Thats the defenseman's mistake or laziness


His foot was over the line before he got hit. If you really think those two plays are similar then....i dont even know what to say to you.

Wow. You really are clueless. Aren't you? You don't even get the gist of this thread.

[jimb0z]

Wow. You really are clueless. Aren't you? You don't even get the gist of this thread.

Then why don't you explain it to me? or is a smartass line comeback the best you can come up with?

[ptr77]

Then why don't you explain it to me? or is a smartass line comeback the best you can come up with?

You are clearly too biased, ignorant, and downright stupid to get the point of this thread. The personal foul the giants got against Vick was well-deserved by them. The "calls" Reid claimed he wasn't getting were not. Vick has made plent of 3 to 10 yard runs into 20 and 30 yard runs by letting up or preying on the fact that teams know they can't risk the personal foul on a big name QB at the sideline. Get a clue.

[jimb0z]

You are clearly too biased, ignorant, and downright stupid to get the point of this thread. The personal foul the giants got against Vick was well-deserved by them. The "calls" Reid claimed he wasn't getting were not. Vick has made plent of 3 to 10 yard runs into 20 and 30 yard runs by letting up or preying on the fact that teams know they can't risk the personal foul on a big name QB at the sideline. Get a clue.

I hope name calling makes you feel better. Does it?

I posted a video from the eagles/cowboys game with one of the illegal hits on vick that went uncalled. One of the hits Reid references in his complaints. If you can look at that and tell me why it's legal, or why it wouldn't be called if it was Brady or a Manning brother, i'll recant everything i've said.

So please clarify your statement. Or just continue to throw insults at me without even trying to prove your claims. the power is yours

[KingGibbs]

You are clearly too biased, ignorant, and downright stupid to get the point of this thread. The personal foul the giants got against Vick was well-deserved by them. The "calls" Reid claimed he wasn't getting were not. Vick has made plent of 3 to 10 yard runs into 20 and 30 yard runs by letting up or preying on the fact that teams know they can't risk the personal foul on a big name QB at the sideline. Get a clue.

Exactly. I can't believe he still doesn't get it based on his response of your post.

[jimb0z]

Exactly. I can't believe he still doesn't get it based on his response of your post.

I'm still waiting for you guys to explain yourselves.

I posted a video of one of the hits reid was complaining about. your saying it was a legal hit and reid had no right to complain, right? So please explain to me how vick can have one leg over the line and still get hit to the benches with no call. Are you really saying that you could hit brady like that and not get a flag?

[Big Blue Joe]

I'm still waiting for you guys to explain yourselves.

I posted a video of one of the hits reid was complaining about. your saying it was a legal hit and reid had no right to complain, right? So please explain to me how vick can have one leg over the line and still get hit to the benches with no call. Are you really saying that you could hit brady like that and not get a flag?Football is a game of split second decisions. When a guy sees Michael Vick running down the field toward the sidelines, he has maybe 0.5 seconds to decide whether he thinks Vick is going run out of bounds or cut back toward the middle of the field. If he guesses incorrectly, Vick could extend the play and in the worst case even score a TD. If Vick does decide to step out of bounds, by the time he actually reaches the sideline, the defender has already long since decided whether or not to deliver a hit. To call the blow a cheap shot is ridiculous. Have you ever tried running full speed towards someone with the full intention of laying a hit on them only to stop yourself with less than a second of reaction time and maybe 1 or 2 strides between you and the other guy?

[bishtw]

Vick was not yet out of bounds. It doesn't matter if he has one leg, two arms, his head and his ass hanging over the line, if he isn't out of bounds, he isn't out of bounds. That Cowpuke made contact before Vick stepped out plain and simple.

[jimb0z]

Football is a game of split second decisions. When a guy sees Michael Vick running down the field toward the sidelines, he has maybe 0.5 seconds to decide whether he thinks Vick is going run out of bounds or cut back toward the middle of the field. If he guesses incorrectly, Vick could extend the play and in the worst case even score a TD. If Vick does decide to step out of bounds, by the time he actually reaches the sideline, the defender has already long since decided whether or not to deliver a hit. To call the blow a cheap shot is ridiculous. Have you ever tried running full speed towards someone with the full intention of laying a hit on them only to stop yourself with less than a second of reaction time and maybe 1 or 2 strides between you and the other guy?

Of course it's difficult. That's part of the problem you face when playing mike vick. He can juke you, he can break a tackle and run 30 yards, he can spin then throw a 50 yard bomb downfield.
But if he is out of bounds, and you hit him with that much force, it's a penalty. That's the rule. The rules don't change because the QB is vick or rothlisburger instead of brady or peyton. A QB is a QB, and if you hit a brady like that it's a penalty so if you deliver the same hit to vick it should be a penalty as well.

Are you really trying to say that vick plays under different rules because he can do what he does? Thats ridiculous.

You hit him when hes out of bounds, you hit him below the knees, you hit him on the helmet, you hit him excessively after a pass.....it's a penalty!

Look at this video and compare that to the uncalled hits vick has taken this season. Can you honestly sit there and tell me it's fair? Be honest with yourself for one damn minute:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9KmXAmMTjw

[KingGibbs]

Okay jimbozo now you're reaching. I started this thread based on the sideline hits' You are now reaching so far up your ass now that you are going to start tugging on your nose hairs.

[jimb0z]

Okay jimbozo now you're reaching. I started this thread based on the sideline hits' You are now reaching so far up your ass now that you are going to start tugging on your nose hairs.

And once again you reply with a whitty comeback that contains absolutely no substance whatsoever. I guess i'll just stop posting now because obviously you have no answer to anything i'm putting in here. I'll just assume that you agree with everything i'm saying but are too much of an eagles hater to ever admit it

adios

[bishtw]

And once again you reply with a whitty comeback that contains absolutely no substance whatsoever. I guess i'll just stop posting now because obviously you have no answer to anything i'm putting in here. I'll just assume that you agree with everything i'm saying but are too much of an eagles hater to ever admit it

adios
You're trying to compare a late hit on a QB thats in the pocket after throwing a pass to a runner running on the side line about to step out? They are apples and oranges. When running out of bounds its black and white, either the runner was out or he wasn't, if the video you posted Vick was yet to step out, there for he was still fair game to hit.

Now the Peyton clip you posted it is a judgement call on the refs, sometimes they get it wrong, in that one the clear got it wrong, refs are human too. Showing the Peyton clip in no way supports your premise that Vick was hit late in the first clip.

[KingGibbs]

And once again you reply with a whitty comeback that contains absolutely no substance whatsoever. I guess i'll just stop posting now because obviously you have no answer to anything i'm putting in here. I'll just assume that you agree with everything i'm saying but are too much of an eagles hater to ever admit it

adios

Translation; I guess I better leave this thread because Kinggibbs and the rest of the guys continue to make me look like a fool.

[TheDoyler23]

If the guy is clearly OB then call it, but if it's one of those 'bang-bang by a hair maybe he had a foot down, maybe he didn't' sort of plays, then let them play.

If the Eagles don't like that, have him slide.

[Fred Jones]

If the guy is clearly OB then call it, but if it's one of those 'bang-bang by a hair maybe he had a foot down, maybe he didn't' sort of plays, then let them play.

If the Eagles don't like that, have him slide.

And, if it causes that much stress, don't sign him this off season. That way we won't have to listen to Bird fans whine about "potential" hits. I say potential because the refs didn't call it and has the league sent out any fines?

Also, this is the NFL, and getting hit is a part of the game. Running QB's have a history of getting hurt because they run and open themselves up to getting hit. Wow, what a concept.

[Switchgear]

Wow. That is not even close to comparable with the hits he's taking now.

In dallas he had one foot over the line. In new york he was already out of bounds

In that video, he was at least 3 yards away from the edge of the field. Why would they let up on that play? Thats the defenseman's mistake or laziness

His foot was over the line before he got hit. If you really think those two plays are similar then....i dont even know what to say to you.

So let me get this straight. There was a play in Dallas where Mike Vick got hit as he was going out of bounds, but before he actually went out of bounds, that wasn't flagged. Then in New York he gets hit when he's actually out bounds and it's flagged. Then there's a questionable call that Peyton Manning got against Dallas several years ago. That's it?

I have a bit of advice for you, but feel free to ignore it. Your team is playing well, and is going to be in the playoffs. Just enjoy it and stop trying to sell your brand of crazy here. We're all stocked up.

[dockeryfan]

let me get this straight. Jimboz thinks that Vick is getting the short end of the stick?

Shocker.


He's a RB when he runs. Every QB is. If he's in bounds, he can get hit. (And you can hit a RB helmet to helmet btw. It's not like he's protected from that when he's a runner. )

[brdawk20]

Late hits are late hits, whether you are a QB, WR, or RB. The rules should apply to everyone. Vick isn't the only player in the league who can juke and cut loose for extra yardage.

Late hits in the pocket should also be equally applied, but we know they are not. If I remember, Bang made a very funny cartoon about this.

Let's take this away from Vick for a second and look at the other QB's in the league. It's not hard to see why people claim bias when one looks at the body of hits this year. Vince Young gets piledriven into the ground by two defenders after the ball is gone and no flag. Big Ben always seems to get whacked late a few times a game without a flag. Tom Brady gets breathed on and flag is thrown. Peyton gets brushed on his jersey and a flag is thrown.

The marquee players in any sports league get the calls. Jordan walked hundreds of times with no call. Maddox always got the outside part of the plate. Lemieux and Gretzky got away with a lot of extra slashing. And QB's like Brady and Manning get extra protection. It's just the way it is.

[ptr77]

Late hits are late hits, whether you are a QB, WR, or RB. The rules should apply to everyone. Vick isn't the only player in the league who can juke and cut loose for extra yardage.

Late hits in the pocket should also be equally applied, but we know they are not. If I remember, Bang made a very funny cartoon about this.

Let's take this away from Vick for a second and look at the other QB's in the league. It's not hard to see why people claim bias when one looks at the body of hits this year. Vince Young gets piledriven into the ground by two defenders after the ball is gone and no flag. Big Ben always seems to get whacked late a few times a game without a flag. Tom Brady gets breathed on and flag is thrown. Peyton gets brushed on his jersey and a flag is thrown.

The marquee players in any sports league get the calls. Jordan walked hundreds of times with no call. Maddox always got the outside part of the plate. Lemieux and Gretzky got away with a lot of extra slashing. And QB's like Brady and Manning get extra protection. It's just the way it is.

I agree there is a huge bias with regards to Brady, Peyton, Brees that doesn't extend to Big Ben, running QBs, or even Eli and Matt Ryan. However this thread is not about pocket hits.


I think we are in agreement that iIf a QB is going out of bounds he should be stepping out, sliding, or facing out of bounds before contact is initiated; the onus should be on him. Should be equal for any position, just as you aptly put it. If any player jukes, slows up and then steps back in, the next time he is running up the sideline he should expect to get crushed until he is on that white line. Vick gets the same treatment Big Ben, Vince Young, Mcnabb or most other mobile QBs get. If he doesn't like getting hit on the sideline he should make his intentions clear and get out quickly. The call that Goff got against Vick was justified, you might have also seen the sideline hit Tuck gave him which was a textbook case of what teams should do to Vick (hit him inbounds).

If you want to talk about horrible in the pocket calls I'm in complete agreement with you, guys like Flacco, Eli, Ben, Romo, Rivers, Vick, Young, Mcnabb take some helment shots, late hits, hands to the helmet, and low blows that don't get called. Out of the pocket and running up the sidelines I have not seen any discrepencies, but that's just what I have seen.

[thebluefood]

When you leave that pocket and begin to run forward, you become a running back and you'll be treated as such.

I haven't seen anything particularly dirty happen to Vick that wouldn't happen to any RB in the league.

[celj1234]

When you leave that pocket and begin to run forward, you become a running back and you'll be treated as such.

I haven't seen anything particularly dirty happen to Vick that wouldn't happen to any RB in the league.

execpt the multiple face mask that werent called in the texans game

and when reid was talking about vicks hits he was talking about the flags he doesnt get when he is a passer moving around in the pocket

[DarrellsMyHero28]

SHF posts a video explaining WHY a team should hit him near the sideline, because he has the ability to look like he's going out, plant and head up field.

This point zooms right over jimb0z's head.

jimb0z's then posts a video of the hit on Vick. In the video, the Dallas defender hits Vick at the exact same moment he steps out.

Late hit out of bounds? Nope.

[rdskns56fan]

Freeze that hit on Vick at the 7 second mark and you'll see that the Cowboy defender has already engaged in the hit on Vick prior to him being out of bounds. The momentum of the defender carries him through Vick; I am pretty sure there is no way to prevent that. I assume you want the defender to not give Vick a shove and continue up the sidelines?

[celj1234]

when your going call trent cole for touch the back of mannings helmet with his pinkie you better protect vick the same way

[ConnSKINS26]

when your going call trent cole for touch the back of mannings helmet with his pinkie you better protect vick the same way

Man, you Eagle's fans...your grammar just never improves, does it?

[tr1]

As to original post topic, AR is doing this purely for gamesmanship reasons, even though he might have a point. AR is hoping a few sideline penalties will slow the defenders down even more, giving Vick more passing/running room. Brady, Brees or Manning get bubble protected much more so than most other QBs, from games I've watched, mainly because they are statues and are obviously less "athletic" than those trying to tackle them. MV just looks like he doesn't need any more protecting than a RB or WR, hence the reason I think he doesn't get near the calls most other QBs, especially upper-echelon ones do.

OMG! Please...:rotflmao:

Vick needs to slide or get out of bounds...if he's hanging around on the sideline, he's fair game.

I understand Andy is concerned, but that's because Vick is brittle. If someone really gets a hit on him, there's a 50/50 chance he's out for several games.

Vick as victim...now that's rich...:rotflmao:

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when your going call trent cole for touch the back of mannings helmet with his pinkie you better protect vick the same way

I'd forgotten how good Philly fans are at whining.

[jimb0z]

SHF posts a video explaining WHY a team should hit him near the sideline, because he has the ability to look like he's going out, plant and head up field.

This point zooms right over jimb0z's head.

jimb0z's then posts a video of the hit on Vick. In the video, the Dallas defender hits Vick at the exact same moment he steps out.

Late hit out of bounds? Nope.

I'll try to explain it one more tme because you guys are either too stupid or too bias to see it any other way

In SHF's video, here is where vick is when the defender decided to let up on the play because he thought vick was headed out of bounds:
http://www.skullknight.com/temp/hit2.jpg

Here is the point of contact on the dallas hit on vick. Keep in mind, that this was with enough force to send vick through the air and into the benches:
http://www.skullknight.com/temp/hit1.jpg


You guys are trying to tell me that they are the same but i'm sorry, I just don't see it. In the first screenshot, obviously they defender should have stayed on him and knocked his ass out. But in dallas, his entire leg was already over the line but the defender didn't let up at all.

That should be a penalty no matter what position the player is. WR, RB, or QB. And to prove my point, here is the exact same call being made in another game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_guAW0CCmsQ

The flag was called on the redskins on that one. so maybe thats why so many people here are unable to see such a clear penalty. But anyway, just to summarize, I totally agreed with Reid's public complaints. And thankfully, they seem to be paying off because many of the same hits that people were getting away with before are getting called now.

And one more time, for reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbzFiPmhSRE

Yeah....i'm crazy

[Mr. Jones]

Contact with Vick was initiated by Spencer while Vick was still in bounds, the hit was perfectly legal, time to suck it up. Once Vick is outside the tackle box he is no longer subject to any of the protective measures implemented to keep QBs healthy, at that point he is just like a RB, WR, or TE.


If Reid really wants to protect Vick, maybe he should encourage him to slide, as that is the one protective move a QB has outside the pocket.

[jimb0z]

Contact with Vick was initiated by Spencer while Vick was still in bounds, the hit was perfectly legal, time to suck it up. Once Vick is outside the tackle box he is no longer subject to any of the protective measures implemented to keep QBs healthy, at that point he is just like a RB, WR, or TE.


If Reid really wants to protect Vick, maybe he should encourage him to slide, as that is the one protective move a QB has outside the pocket.

I guess infallible evidence is no match for infinite stupidity. I post a vid of the exact same hit being flagged and that still aint good enough.

i give up

this threat is now a cesspool of stupid

[Mr. Jones]

I guess infallible evidence is no match for infinite stupidity. I post a vid of the exact same hit being flagged and that still aint good enough.

i give up

this threat is now a cesspool of stupid

The difference here is Spencer has made contact with Vick while Vick still has one foot on the ground in bounds. Landry launched himself at Ryan who was already out of bounds at the time of contact that split second is the difference between a penalty and a legal play.

Now if Spencer had left his feat to hit Vick, or wrapped him up and drove him to the ground things would be different, but he didn't. It's the same thing as hitting the QB while the ball is still in his hand and after he's thrown it. In fact pushing Vick might of even saved a penalty as he otherwise would of landed on Vick as he fell. The plays you posted were not as alike as you want to think, and the details are important.

[pointyfootball]

OMG! Please...:rotflmao:

Vick needs to slide or get out of bounds...if he's hanging around on the sideline, he's fair game.

I understand Andy is concerned, but that's because Vick is brittle. If someone really gets a hit on him, there's a 50/50 chance he's out for several games.

Vick as victim...now that's rich...:rotflmao:

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I'd forgotten how good Philly fans are at whining.

I think if a player is in bounds, they are fair game. Never said he wasn't. My point is/was if Brady was in same situation and got hit like that, do you think the officials would err on the side of a flag or not? If you say they wouldn't throw a flag 9 out of 10 times, not much else I can say because you don't recognize that some players are protected more than others. Again, however, defenders are right to hit Vick if he's going to continue to slip up the sideline. Not doing so is asking to be toasted for another 10-20 yards.

WRT to Giants game, I finally got to watch it on NFL Replay last night. The officials were horrible. Absolutely horrible, both ways too. 2 missed calls that lead to Giants TDs, although Reid screwed the pooch in not challenging, which he would have been roasted for if they had lost.

[jimb0z]

The difference here is Spencer has made contact with Vick while Vick still has one foot on the ground in bounds. Landry launched himself at Ryan who was already out of bounds at the time of contact that split second is the difference between a penalty and a legal play.

Now if Spencer had left his feat to hit Vick, or wrapped him up and drove him to the ground things would be different, but he didn't. It's the same thing as hitting the QB while the ball is still in his hand and after he's thrown it. In fact pushing Vick might of even saved a penalty as he otherwise would of landed on Vick as he fell. The plays you posted were not as alike as you want to think, and the details are important.

Yes, I suspected you'd come and argue semantics which only shows just how misinformed or bias you are in this situation. You can't look at this objectively so your judgement is being clouded.

Ryan was not out of bounds when landry launched himself at him, and he was maybe an inch more out of bounds than vick was at the time of contact
http://www.skullknight.com/temp/hit4.jpg

But point your missing about that inch is that, it doesnt matter

If a player is clearly headed out of bounds and you hit him with that much force, it's a penalty. it's a penalty! I wish I had access to an NFL film room because I could show you example after example after example. It's one of those "spirit of" rules, like the penalty against Djax's backwards dive (technically not a celebration penalty, but will get called every single time)

It's called precedence: a ruling of a previous case with similar issues, that preceded the current case being ruled. We've seen it called a hundren times before, so why wasn't it called then?

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I think if a player is in bounds, they are fair game. Never said he wasn't. My point is/was if Brady was in same situation and got hit like that, do you think the officials would err on the side of a flag or not? If you say they wouldn't throw a flag 9 out of 10 times, not much else I can say because you don't recognize that some players are protected more than others. Again, however, defenders are right to hit Vick if he's going to continue to slip up the sideline. Not doing so is asking to be toasted for another 10-20 yards.

WRT to Giants game, I finally got to watch it on NFL Replay last night. The officials were horrible. Absolutely horrible, both ways too. 2 missed calls that lead to Giants TDs, although Reid screwed the pooch in not challenging, which he would have been roasted for if they had lost.

Heres the thing....I am not 100% sure the Spencer hit on Vick was or wasn't a late hit...it was borderline.........a very close call as its been pointed out......VERY close one-way-or-the-other...no matter what way you look at it BUT......

The real discussion on this and as you stated, its 100%, is that those "borderline" hits are not called on Vick the same way they are on Brady and Manning......Its just true to all of us that watch these games EVERY SUNDAY...I have seen it, some hits to the head on QB's (when a defender is swatting at a ball for instance) go un noticed, yet if its Brady or Manning, its called 99.9999% of the time.

Its something that drives me absolutely crazy.... no matter who we root for, its always good to see the game called fairly....and some calls are just tough calls to make, ill give em that, but when its made, just because who is involved or not involved, then I have issues with it.

and Reid should have challenged a fumble that was called on the D Jack catch.......he was touched and he was DOWN...then the ball came out, that would have been reversed, and i am still not understanding why someone didnt call down and tell AR that????

[pointyfootball]

and Reid should have challenged a fumble that was called on the D Jack catch.......he was touched and he was DOWN...then the ball came out, that would have been reversed, and i am still not understanding why someone didnt call down and tell AR that????

It's a mystery, b/c Reid has said they were not getting the replays.

http://phillysportsdaily.com/eagles/2010/12/20/andy-reid-eagles-werent-getting-replays-on-controversial-plays/

Conspiracy theories abound. Edit; Oh, and AR is terrible wrt to challenging plays. I would think he'd hire an ex-ref at $200k a year to do nothing but sit in the booth and do that job.

Personally, I think the challenge rules regarding Instant Replay are bull crap. If a call is a bad call it should be corrected no matter what, especially turnovers, scores and 1st/4th down decisions. Yes it slows the game down, but that will let the NFL sell more commercials! I've been against Instant replay for everything except scoring & turnovers, but if they're going to continue to use it for everything else, they should get it right. And homefield advantage shouldn't apply to instant replay, which I'm sure all teams try to exploit.

[tr1]

I think if a player is in bounds, they are fair game. Never said he wasn't. My point is/was if Brady was in same situation and got hit like that, do you think the officials would err on the side of a flag or not? If you say they wouldn't throw a flag 9 out of 10 times, not much else I can say because you don't recognize that some players are protected more than others. Again, however, defenders are right to hit Vick if he's going to continue to slip up the sideline. Not doing so is asking to be toasted for another 10-20 yards.

WRT to Giants game, I finally got to watch it on NFL Replay last night. The officials were horrible. Absolutely horrible, both ways too. 2 missed calls that lead to Giants TDs, although Reid screwed the pooch in not challenging, which he would have been roasted for if they had lost.

Brady doesn't have running plays designed for him...and, Brady slides when it looks like he's going to get hit. Everyone who runs up the sidelines and makes his last step out of bounds is a potential target to get hit.

Sometimes it gets called, sometimes it doesn't.

Imagine...the refs are 'inconsistent'! :ols:

---------- Post added December-22nd-2010 at 10:40 AM ----------



If a player is clearly headed out of bounds...


Your statement implies that he's currently in bounds...and, therefore, fair game. Right?

Stop whining.

[Dan T.]

So Vick is getting hit illegally all the time? Sux for Philly fans. Deal with it.

So Orakpo gets held on every play? Sux for Skins fans. Deal with it.

So James Harrison is targeted by refs for bogus roughing calls? Sux for Steelers fans. Deal with it.

So Dez Bryant gets called for borderline offensive pass interference calls? Sux for Steeler fans. Deal with it.

etc.

[rdskns56fan]

I'll try to explain it one more tme because you guys are either too stupid or too bias to see it any other way

Difference between Landry hit and the hit you seem to keep freezing at the 8 second mark vs the 7 second mark is contact is made with Vick in bounds where as in the Landry hit the QB was out of bounds, even though Landry went to make a crushing hit while the QB was still in bounds. I agree the Landry hit was a penalty every time because of when the contact occurred not when the launch began. Spencer gave Vick a decent shove that started in bounds and his momentum carried him through Vick. Get over it. Vick wasn't expecting to get that big of a shove which is why he wound up in the bench. That is a perfectly legal hit on ANY QB.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

So Vick is getting hit illegally all the time? Sux for Philly fans. Deal with it.

So Orakpo gets held on every play? Sux for Skins fans. Deal with it.

So James Harrison is targeted by refs for bogus roughing calls? Sux for Steelers fans.Deal with it.

So Dez Bryant gets called for borderline offensive pass interference calls? Sux for Steeler fans Deal with it.

etc.

huh :confused:

[Drew_Fl]

just read through this whole thread. lol @ jimboz for not understanding and going total drama queen about his QB. are you a woman? this is the same kind of **** that happens with my girl when she starts arguing with me about something i wasn't even talking about.

i believe if a player has not TOUCHED out of bounds yet and you launch yourself for a tackle, it should be fair. even a ****ing CENTIMETER. this is the NFL, and the OP clearly pointed out players, ESPECIALLY Vick can change directions in seemingly hundreths of a second and if they let up for even just that one centimeter, there could be consequences and they can lose their job. but you don't care about that. you bring up brady and manning, but i have NEVER EVER seen either of those take questionable sideline hits.

that's b/c they are too smart and too slow to even get to the sideline often. work on your reading comprehension jimboz. it will help us all out b/c you just de-railed this thread.

[jimb0z]

just read through this whole thread. lol @ jimboz for not understanding and going total drama queen about his QB. are you a woman?


yes, actually

but yeah, i'm done in the thread. I know i'm not going to win trying to change the minds of a few like-minded knuckleheads. Just having a good time at work, really.

As much as the OP complains about reid, vick is getting the calls he should be now, so it's all good as far as i'm concerned. You guys don't have to see where he's coming. The people that matter obviously agree with him

[Alabama Man]

My biggest bone of contention with this thread is that Vick hasn't gotten any of the borderline calls, and many many straight up late hits this season. Yet finally what everyone in Philadelphia already knew all season and Reid finally spoke up about, in Week 14.... And you what him to stop crying? No, you can STFU sir.

What was ridiculous about that sideline hit again Dallas is that the very week Reid finally speaks up, and a play happens where Vick is thrown into his own teams bench, and no a flag? Are you kidding me. That's a 'borderline' call that has to go his way. I mean the only thing woulda made that worse was if that happened in Philly.

You wanna watch this one play and base that on the entire season of non-calls on Vick, and that is your problem. Step outta this thread when you haven't watched the games. I'm looking at a lot of you. You think you can gang up on this one guy and that makes you right, it doesn't.

[jimb0z]

Alabama man, you have my respect

[NewCliche21]

I guess infallible evidence is no match for infinite stupidity. I post a vid of the exact same hit being flagged and that still aint good enough.

i give up

this threat is now a cesspool of stupid

All right, man, that's it.

1) You are on a REDSKINS site. In case your pathetic PA education didn't teach you how to read from top to bottom, here's the third post on this forum: To Fans Of Opposing Teams (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?162983-To-Fans-Of-Opposing-Teams) Want me to sum it up? Don't come in here and insult our fanbase. You signed up the equivalent of ten minutes ago. If you want to talk like that, then get your bandwagon ass out of here.

2) Don't call people stupid with so many glaring flaws in your argument, ability to process video, ability to process abstract thought, and ability to not pull a Michael Vick on the written word. Your last "sentence" shows how ridiculous you are. The fact that it took you at least two tries to fail that hard shows how lacking you are in so many ways.

3) Get off my fellow fans' asses.

[KingGibbs]

My biggest bone of contention with this thread is that Vick hasn't gotten any of the borderline calls, and many many straight up late hits this season. Yet finally what everyone in Philadelphia already knew all season and Reid finally spoke up about, in Week 14.... And you what him to stop crying? No, you can STFU sir.

What was ridiculous about that sideline hit again Dallas is that the very week Reid finally speaks up, and a play happens where Vick is thrown into his own teams bench, and no a flag? Are you kidding me. That's a 'borderline' call that has to go his way. I mean the only thing woulda made that worse was if that happened in Philly.

You wanna watch this one play and base that on the entire season of non-calls on Vick, and that is your problem. Step outta this thread when you haven't watched the games. I'm looking at a lot of you. You think you can gang up on this one guy and that makes you right, it doesn't.

Reaeaaaaaaallllllllllll Men of Genius. We salute you Mr. Internet Tough Guy.


You are just as much a dumbass as your counterpart jimbozo. You two keep referring to that ONE play, when I am talking about sideline hits in general. I've seen the Eagles up in arms on the sidelines on more then the ONE occasion. Vick's reputation as runner supersedes his rep as a passer, so therefore he is fair game in the eyes of the ref IMO when he leaves the pocket and takes off.

Now you two dumbasses have a Merry Christmas.

[ptr77]

Reaeaaaaaaallllllllllll Men of Genius. We salute you Mr. Internet Tough Guy.


You are just as much a dumbass as your counterpart jimbozo. You two keep referring to that ONE play, when I am talking about sideline hits in general. I've seen the Eagles up in arms on the sidelines on more then the ONE occasion. Vick's reputation as runner supersedes his rep as a passer, so therefore he is fair game in the eyes of the ref IMO when he leaves the pocket and takes off.

Now you two dumbasses have a Merry Christmas.

+1

These guys really completely missed the whole point of this thread and only can talk about one play. Trying to change the subject and then having the proof of your argument rest on one instance is a recipe for ridicule and failure.

[Westbrook36]

Reid complaining about the hits is smart. If he gets 1 extra 15 yard penalty because of it, it was worth it. He is just priming the refs like most good coaches do. Phil Jackson makes a living doing it before a big series.

Vick complaining about the hits is stupid. Whether he is right or wrong, he needs to keep his mouth shut. He is a player and players understand the toughness of the game. Plus, he isn't exactly the most beloved player in the league. The last thing he needs is for refs to think he is questioning their calls.

[Drew_Fl]

Reid complaining about the hits is smart. If he gets 1 extra 15 yard penalty because of it, it was worth it. He is just priming the refs like most good coaches do. Phil Jackson makes a living doing it before a big series.

Vick complaining about the hits is stupid. Whether he is right or wrong, he needs to keep his mouth shut. He is a player and players understand the toughness of the game. Plus, he isn't exactly the most beloved player in the league. The last thing he needs is for refs to think he is questioning their calls.

the sunday night game showed all you need to get a borderline call is have Goodell attend your games. the refs were so scared NOT to make a call they called some crazy things.

[ptr77]

Reid complaining about the hits is smart. If he gets 1 extra 15 yard penalty because of it, it was worth it. He is just priming the refs like most good coaches do. Phil Jackson makes a living doing it before a big series.

Vick complaining about the hits is stupid. Whether he is right or wrong, he needs to keep his mouth shut. He is a player and players understand the toughness of the game. Plus, he isn't exactly the most beloved player in the league. The last thing he needs is for refs to think he is questioning their calls.

This might be the first time I have ever agreed with Westy.

[Alabama Man]

Reaeaaaaaaallllllllllll Men of Genius. We salute you Mr. Internet Tough Guy.


You are just as much a dumbass as your counterpart jimbozo. You two keep referring to that ONE play, when I am talking about sideline hits in general. I've seen the Eagles up in arms on the sidelines on more then the ONE occasion. Vick's reputation as runner supersedes his rep as a passer, so therefore he is fair game in the eyes of the ref IMO when he leaves the pocket and takes off.

Now you two dumbasses have a Merry Christmas.

Stay classy random redskins fan.

[KingGibbs]

Stay classy random redskins fan.

Teanslation: Kinggibbs made myself and jimboz his ***** and this is all I have left.

[dockeryfan]

Honestly, I don't think Vick has gotten the shaft. If he's running, he's a RB. Simple. RBs take hits. QBs don't and are protected. You want to be a RB? You're going to take hits. Refs know this. /thread