I am amazed at how much hate there is within our own fanbase

[shk75]

I don't post in the stadium much so maybe it has always been like this but I am amazed how many fans on here are really mean to each other. I am not posting this because I got in a little argument today but rather just reading all the reactions in many of the threads. People posting I told you so threads and saying that others are idiots because they disagreed with them. We are all going to have different opinions on this team but I mean we are all skins fans we all love this team. :cheers:

[Crazy Levi]

Have you ever actually gone to a sportsbar and found yourself surrounded by other Skins fans?

They are generally an obnoxious, unlikeable bunch.

[STBonecrusher21]

Get out of here you hippy scum!!!!!

Raaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

[Boss_Hogg]

there are a lot if Internetz muscles around here.

[Burgold]

Me too, but all that losing wears some down. They begin to expect bad things to happen and to wish ill on their own team.

I was at a sports bar for today's game and I couldn't believe how many fans were shouting and sure that Gano would miss.

[HailGreen28]

Have you ever actually gone to a sportsbar and found yourself surrounded by other Skins fans?

They are generally an obnoxious, unlikeable bunch.Ooooh, nice example from a guy in NYC. LOL

I think things would be happier here, if our W/L record was flipped.

[shk75]

Ooooh, nice example from a guy in NYC. LOL

I think things would be happier here, if our W/L record was flipped.

Yeah I am sure you are right just a little disappointing to see I guess since I don't post that much in here it kind of surprised me especially after a win.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

You think this is bad, you should of been around as recently as the last few years of the Jason Campbell driven ES QB wars.

This is like a sedate English tea party in the presence of Royalty compared to that ****.

And LOL @ STB. Quick man, quick.

Hail.

[JdoubleU]

trust me, it's from the losing.

[Crazy Levi]

Ooooh, nice example from a guy in NYC. LOL

I think things would be happier here, if our W/L record was flipped.

Double LOL on you.

I'm the PERFECT example! You guys in DC get to watch these games at home. I have to watch them in sports bars, surrounded by wretched Skins fans.

It's actually been about 50/50 this year. The Packers game there was a great crew there, but generally they've been surly, drunk, and pretty stupid in their football opinions.

[ciresolstice]

You should be used to it.. I just back away for a while because it gets old, and worthless reading. The I told you so's, I'm smarter than you, you're dumb as a brick because you don't agree with my superior intellect on the internet talk...eat crow, you homer, you fair weather fan for ever saying anything negative about your team...and on and on and on. Just take a break and enjoy the holidays.

[HailGreen28]

Double LOL on you.

I'm the PERFECT example! You guys in DC get to watch these games at home. I have to watch them in sports bars, surrounded by wretched Skins fans.

It's actually been about 50/50 this year. The Packers game there was a great crew there, but generally they've been surly, drunk, and pretty stupid in their football opinions.Can't we all just get along? :rotflmao:

[buzz1522]

The ones that cant agree only seem to be on here to me..JMHO...Most Skins fans I run into seem to just want the team to win. Maybe too many chiefs and not enough indians on here...no pun intended. To me youve got to give Shannan a chance...to many players have come here to get paid and not play....but thats just me. Maybe give the guy 3 years or so?

[LD0506]

I don't post in the stadium much so maybe it has always been like this but I am amazed how many fans on here are really mean to each other. I am not posting this because I got in a little argument today but rather just reading all the reactions in many of the threads. People posting I told you so threads and saying that others are idiots because they disagreed with them. We are all going to have different opinions on this team but I mean we are all skins fans we all love this team. :cheers:

I can't hep it, I'm allergic to stupid

[Koolblue13]

The hate comes from losing.

I don't know where all the dumb comes from.

[Crazy Levi]

Heck I bet you are feeling wretched right now considering how the Packers are treating the midgets err giants like they stole something.

I'm not a Giants fan silly.

Have you ever heard of moving? Not everybody who grew up in the DC area stays there their entire lives.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I think this year has really changed my opinion of our fan base

At one time this fan base could have been considered one of the brightest in the NFL. The stupidity, not just on message boards but in the DC area is incredible

The "106.7" ization of the fan base is complete. Ranting idiots

[Hokie_Skinz]

I think this year has really changed my opinion of our fan base

At one time this fan base could have been considered one of the brightest in the NFL. The stupidity, not just on message boards but in the DC area is incredible

The "106.7" ization of the fan base is complete. Ranting idiots
Thank you. I had this same conversation with my father just the other day. I used to think the Redskin fan base was well educated in football sense. But listen to 106.7 for 10 minutes and you will realize that the 'Skins fan base is just as emotional and disconnected as Dallas/Philly fans. It appears like the fan 'knowledge' comes from regurgitated sound bites from the idiots on FOX pre-game or emotional loonies like Lavar. It irritates me that that all NFL coverage has devolved to the lowest common denominator of flip flop wearing, big gulp slurping cretins as it has. Unfortunately, the fan base of my dearly beloved Redskins has had so many years of poor performance, that many fans don't know what 'good football' or 'good football sense' is anymore. No one can objectively look at a team for what it is, and unfortunately in a market that focuses on ratings and the almighty $$ there is no such thing as an intelligent conversation from the media anymore.

[SkinsFTW]

What do you expect?

Over the past few seasons we've all watched the Saints WIN a SB, the Cardinals get to one and almost win it, the Chiefs won 10 games, the Falcons are the best team in the Conference, WTF? When will our team be one of the 3-4 teams that come out of nowhere every year?

The best thing about this season to me is another negative, at least Dallas completely fell flat on their face. (But then they still beat us once, WTF?)

[Crazy Levi]

What do you expect?

Over the past few seasons we've all watched the Saints WIN a SB, the Cardinals get to one and almost win it, the Chiefs won 10 games, the Falcons are the best team in the Conference, WTF? When will our team be one of the 3-4 teams that come out of nowhere every year?

The best thing about this season to me is another negative, at least Dallas completely fell flat on their face. (But then they still beat us once, WTF?)

These teams that "come out of nowhere" all have lots of young talent. That's the trick. You'll never "come out of nowhere" with one of the oldest teams in the league.

[harvey57]

Lots of losing and stupidy by the ownership and front office will create a apathetic fanbase

[Kaleel]

I agree with the initial post. Skins fans are just like any other NFL fans. But this forum is made up of some of the most mean spirited people I've ever encountered on the internet. Just watch the games, enjoy the good times when they come and sift through this forum for whats fun and useful.

K

[Crazy Levi]

I agree with the initial post. Skins fans are just like any other NFL fans. But this forum is made up of some of the most mean spirited people I've ever encountered on the internet. Just watch the games, enjoy the good times when they come and sift through this forum for whats fun and useful.

K

Screw you!!!

[Blue Collar Skins]

What do you expect?

Over the past few seasons we've all watched the Saints WIN a SB, the Cardinals get to one and almost win it, the Chiefs won 10 games, the Falcons are the best team in the Conference, WTF? When will our team be one of the 3-4 teams that come out of nowhere every year?

The best thing about this season to me is another negative, at least Dallas completely fell flat on their face. (But then they still beat us once, WTF?) Juicy rationalizations. I did it because they made me do it. The guy killed someone because his parents didn't hold him enough as a kid, ad nauseum.

[Dirt]

On the internet, it's hard to have a thoughtful debate without it looking like a 'fight'. And on gameday, emotions are high. For cryin out loud, we WON today, lol.

[Brett81]

You think this is bad, you should of been around as recently as the last few years of the Jason Campbell driven ES QB wars.

This is like a sedate English tea party in the presence of Royalty compared to that ****.

And LOL @ STB. Quick man, quick.

Hail.

Don't forget about CB5...that kid was a god!!


The hate comes from losing.

I don't know where all the dumb comes from.

:hysterical:Seriously fell out of my chair after reading this comment...this is the most I've laughed at posts in one day over the past few months.

:bunny:

[SonnyRules]

There was a time and place when this board was civil.

[thebluefood]

Losing makes people antsy. 20 years of losing makes them hostile. 40+ will either make them outrageously angry or completely apathetic. Let's hope we never get that far along and stop the bleeding.

[SkinsFanMania]

I hear so many people say "how can you root for them" it gets me sick.

[veteranskinsfan]

I agree that watching the Cowboys lose this year was great and with them hosting the Super Bowl this year, it helped me deal better with the Skins disappointing season.

[WhodatSkinsFan?]

The hate comes from losing.

I don't know where all the dumb comes from.

ha, ha, ha
:ols::ols:

I agree with the internet muscle comment. It's always interesting when you don't agree with several folks here, how you become ALL sorts of names....

[da#1skinsfan]

Have you ever actually gone to a sportsbar and found yourself surrounded by other Skins fans?

They are generally an obnoxious, unlikeable bunch.

It's true. We have the most uneducated, obnoxious, annoying fan base by far. I love this team but our fans are the worst.

[scampbell1975]

It's not just this blog either. I'm on a couple blogs and they all have people that are consantly bashing away at each other. I'm even roped into it on one blog. That's why I come here. I don't have to be an a hole.

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It's true. We have the most uneducated, obnoxious, annoying fan base by far. I love this team but our fans are the worst.

Oh you are sooooooo wrong. I lived in Ohio for quite sometime and the Pittsburg Steeler fans are by far the most horribly assinine fans on earth. Ohio State fans are right there with them.

[thebluefood]

It's true. We have the most uneducated, obnoxious, annoying fan base by far. I love this team but our fans are the worst.

Really? I've never had problems with other members of our fan base. I've always seen us (most of us) like a tight knit group. I've always been able to sit down and have civil conversations with Redskins fans about the team.

[BadKarma]

I hate our owner; he breeds the discontent by treating the fanbase like a bunch of idiots. I have never met a Redskin fan I didn't like until the worm bought the team.

[Painkiller]

because just like in government, people are more concerned with "proving" they are right, then accepting other alternatives, or that they may just be "wrong" for the betterment of everybody, including themselves.

As I have said before in other threads, many of our own fans are more concerned with being "right" about their ideas about how the Washington Redskins should be run, then for the team to actually succeed. Just like in life, everybody else can tell you how to do your job, until they have to do your job.

[TV aka TeeVeli aka BAMBAM30]

Fan-base that has tons of passion for their football team + 20 years without a championship = angry fan-base.

[Special K]

Well, the anger comes from the frustration of stinking it up season after season and recognition of the atrocious mismanagement of team operations over the past decade.

Add in rampant stupidity that is prevalent amongst the human species and even moreso amongst the majority of people who spend a significant amount of time posting on internet message boards and you've got a perfect formula for what you're seeing here.

It's unfortunate. Oh well. After awhile, one becomes adept at wading through the hate and stupidity and pinpointing intelligent posts and posters who are actually worth responding to and interacting with. :D

[Oldfan]

This board has always been lenient with ad hominem attacks. Some of the moderators have been among the offenders.

From the Nizkor Project:


An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

[tr1]

This board has always been lenient with ad hominem attacks. Some of the moderators have been among the offenders.

From the Nizkor Project:

Oldfan, please stop the whining and take your testicles out of moth balls.

You sound like an old lady.

[Oldfan]

Oldfan, please stop the whining and take your testicles out of moth balls.

You sound like an old lady.It would take balls to say that to my face. All it takes to say it to me on the internet is lack of character.

[DMVSkins]

All I can say is since 2005 when I had roomates (being in the Navy at the time) I've watched there Dolphins, Bucs, and Falcon teams get better (I guess you can now add the Rams to that list) while we've been below average at best. Its nolonger enjoyable watching a Redskins game and I expect something negative to happen before something positive happens I dont complain I just say it dosen't suprise me, Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato had 10 years which they turned the Redskins into a conistant last place fantasy team so I REALIZE that Shanahan can't reverse that in 1 season, and I like that fact that he doesn't keep waiting to realize a mistake and make changes. I think our fanbase is fine it comes with the territory of 6 years consistant losing....iis not like we booed Santa Claus

ps......Winning solves everything

[DCsFavoriteAirman]

I can't believe that people blindly accept any move the team makes just because this is their team.

Especially considering how we've followed the same formula for the past decade and nothing worked at all. So stop this damn complaining about the anger fans are showing towards this franchise.

[tr1]

It would take balls to say that to my face. All it takes to say it to me on the internet is lack of character.

:rotflmao:

Oldfan, I believe you are truly losing it.

I would tell it to your face, but this is the only way I know you.

It's a shame you're so thin skinned...

;)

BTW, Oldfan, when you take odd positions on football logic, be prepared to take some heat.

It's how it works.

[Oldfan]

:rotflmao:

Oldfan, I believe you are truly losing it.

I would tell it to your face, but this is the only way I know you.

It's a shame you're so thin skinned...

;)

BTW, Oldfan, when you take odd positions on football logic, be prepared to take some heat.

It's how it works.My skin is alligator-thick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to take crap from you or anybody else. This board would be a whole lot more fun if we could rid it of the posters who are incapable of civil debate.

[tr1]

My skin is alligator-thick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to take crap from you or anybody else. This board would be a whole lot more fun if we could rid it of the posters who are incapable of civil debate.

You forgot 'pontification.'

:rotflmao:

[chipwhich]

My skin is alligator-thick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to take crap from you or anybody else. This board would be a whole lot more fun if we could rid it of the posters who are incapable of civil debate.

Oldfan makes a claim.
Poster X posts evidence against Oldfan claim.
Oldfan ALWAYS says Poster X has strawman argument, lacks football knowledge, or it's a personal attack.

Rinse, repeat.

- or -

Oldfan makes outrageous claim.

Tom Brady is not a good QB.
Peyton Manning is not a good QB.
Jim Zorn is the greatest move Vinnie could make.

Poster X is left without the ability to debate civilly :ols:

[Oldfan]

Oldfan makes a claim.
Poster X posts evidence against Oldfan claim.
Oldfan ALWAYS says Poster X has strawman argument, lacks football knowledge, or it's a personal attack.

Rinse, repeat.

- or -

Oldfan makes outrageous claim.

Tom Brady is not a good QB.
Peyton Manning is not a good QB.
Jim Zorn is the greatest move Vinnie could make.

Poster X is left without the ability to debate civilly :ols:Let's face it, chip. if my debate tactics were as sleazy as you claim, it would have been a piece of cake for you to whip me in debate. No one is going to believe that I cheated to beat the snot out of you.

Your posting of this pack of lies is evidence on its face that you bear a grudge because you were trounced in previous debates. Get over it, Man.

[DieselPwr44]

Your posting of this pack of lies .

Such gems as:

Montana was a system QB and would've failed anywhere else(even though you never mention his success in KC)

Jay Cutler is a better QB than both Peyton and Brady

Marc Bulger and Tom Brady are interchangeable

Norv Turner is the best hire AJ Smith could make

Vinny Cerrato hiring Zorn shows he's ahead of the game. Vinny's a very good GM.

All you have to do is search ES your lunac....I mean, logic/football IQ is there for everyone to see.

Nothings been made up or generated.

Carry on contrarian.........

[Botched]

I can't even imagine what it's like on Patriots message boards. What do they do? Debate which scrub players they picked up this year will turn into pro bowlers? ***** and moan when they win a game by only 7 points? Talk about what kind of conditioner Tom Brady uses? Are their game threads nothing but page after page of dancing emoticons?

[MrSilverMaC]

The fans of this team Booed Joe Gibbs and chanted that he had to go just a few weeks after Sean Taylor died, a year that we actually made the playoffs. They hate the team, do you really expect them to not hate each other?

[Oldfan]

Such gems as:

Montana was a system QB and would've failed anywhere else(even though you never mention his success in KC)

Jay Cutler is a better QB than both Peyton and Brady

Marc Bulger and Tom Brady are interchangeable

Norv Turner is the best hire AJ Smith could make

Vinny Cerrato hiring Zorn shows he's ahead of the game. Vinny's a very good GM.

All you have to do is search ES your lunac....I mean, logic/football IQ is there for everyone to see.

Nothings been made up or generated.

Carry on contrarian.........I'll give you this, you haven't distorted my positions in this post nearly as much as you usually do. A few of them are even accurate.

What you need to explain for everyone is why you feel the need to post this crap in a thread that has nothing to do with these topics.

If you disagree with my positions, why not debate me in the appropriate threads where my exact positions and my reasons can be fairly evaluated by everyone? For example, in that Norv Turner argument, my position was that Norv was the best choice available to A.J. Smith at the time. Most posters, even some who opposed me, later conceded that I was right.

[DieselPwr44]

I'll give you this, you haven't distorted my positions in this post nearly as much as you usually do. A few of them are even accurate.

What you need to explain for everyone is why you feel the need to post this crap in a thread that has nothing to do with these topics.

If you disagree with my positions, why not debate me in the appropriate threads where my exact positions and my reasons can be fairly evaluated by everyone? For example, in that Norv Turner argument, my position was that Norv was the best choice available to A.J. Smith at the time. Most posters, even some who opposed me, later conceded that I was right.
You're the one proclaiming that posters make up lies on things that are posted by you in black and white and YOU'RE the one that made that proclaimation in this thread.

EDIT:

Life's too short to argue with a contrary stump. No matter what eveidence I'd post from your history, you'd only scream STRAWMAN from the rooftops to anyone who'd listen.

For someone who proclaims to watch football for 70 + years, you display very little in football commonsense.

[Oldfan]

You're the one proclaiming that posters make up lies on things that are posted by you in black and white and YOU'RE the one that made that proclaimation in this thread. So, your reasoning was that by listing my positions with only a few distortions would prove that you and others haven't distorted my positions in the past?


Life's too short to argue with a contrary stump. No matter what eveidence I'd post from your history, you'd only scream STRAWMAN from the rooftops to anyone who'd listen.If I scream strawman and it's not a strawman, you can prove it easily by quoting me. If you can't quote me, then it's a strawman. So, this is just bogus BS.


For someone who proclaims to watch football for 70 + years, you display very little in football commonsense.When I say something that doesn't make sense, point out my error when it happens. That's called debate. If you're right and I'm wrong, and I continue to insist I'm right, I'll look like a fool.

The problem you've having is that you lack the intelligence to make me look foolish, so you have to take these cheap shots when it's harder for me to put up a defense.

[shk75]

LOL what has happened here, I start a thread about how much fighting there is within our own fan base and then what happens, that exact thing, lol well carry on I guess it will never change.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

It's true. We have the most uneducated, obnoxious, annoying fan base by far. I love this team but our fans are the worst.
Disagree.

Most uneducated... I pick Atlanta Falcons based on the fact that Georgia has the worst education system (graduation rate: 54%) of any state in the US.
Most obnoxious... All philthy fans should be spade and neutered.
Most annoying... Any Steelers+Crosby fan or Pats+All Boston Teams fan gets my vote for this one.

[Mr. Cooke]

Thank you. I had this same conversation with my father just the other day. I used to think the Redskin fan base was well educated in football sense. But listen to 106.7 for 10 minutes and you will realize that the 'Skins fan base is just as emotional and disconnected as Dallas/Philly fans. It appears like the fan 'knowledge' comes from regurgitated sound bites from the idiots on FOX pre-game or emotional loonies like Lavar. It irritates me that that all NFL coverage has devolved to the lowest common denominator of flip flop wearing, big gulp slurping cretins as it has. Unfortunately, the fan base of my dearly beloved Redskins has had so many years of poor performance, that many fans don't know what 'good football' or 'good football sense' is anymore. No one can objectively look at a team for what it is, and unfortunately in a market that focuses on ratings and the almighty $$ there is no such thing as an intelligent conversation from the media anymore.

I agree mostly with the post. 106.7 is a joke of a station and provides absolutely no thoughtful analysis. From the so-called "Sports Junkies" to the entire line-up- they all blow. And the comparison of 106.7 to Philly radio is generally accurate. Try listening for five minutes to that no talent ***** clown Howard Eskine if you are ever driving through Philly in the afternoon and that is in essence 106.7.

But it's more than just 106.7. The Washington Post generally provides no intellectual stimulation and thoughtful analysis regarding the Skins. Boswell, Jenkins, Wise, Feinstein, Kornheiser, Wilbon, Reid, Hamilton, Maske etc. are all promoting the thought of the day that they heard mouthed by someone.

Steinberg occasionally does good work plus the guy (sorry-can't recall his name) that has provided an analysis on Shanahan's offensive play calling in the game day version of the Post. Trevor Matich does do an an excellent job of analyzing the Skins for Comcast. Kevin Sheehan on 980 at times provides some value, but not as much as he likes us to think. Czaban and Pollin are awful, but not as obnoxious as 106.7.

Generally, if you get nothing from the shows/columns don't watch or read them. Ken Beatrice, for the Love of God, where are you? This area needs you back on the air.

[JerseyGator]

You want to see real hate - wait until Rex plays a few more games.

[mikemac9]

Yeah, this message board is constant stream of hatred for the people in the Redskins organization, veiled in love for the Redskins franshise as its own entity. People screaming to blow up the team every year, fire and/or cut everyone. Teams go through bad stretches, sometimes really bad stretches. We did it from approx. 1950 - 1970. We can name a ton of teams in the same boat. Miami, SF, Detroit, Buffalo, Houston, Seattle, St. Louis, every team, they have some bad stretch in its life and then maybe a good one, and back again. At least we have some SB's, so many teams don't have that at all. Its how it goes in the NFL, especially in the Free Agency era. To have what the Steelers, Patriots have had is the abnormality. But all I see on this board is people with that level of expectation. It gets tiring to see the same emotional rants and signatures, post after post. "BLOW UP THIS TEAM", jesus, that's what we do every year. That's why the team has no leadership and chemistry. We have to make a move and stick with it for awhile to see what comes. Its almost become trendy to hate on the whatever the current team is. You can't know what you have til you have some perspective. In hindsight, Joe Gibbs 2.0 was amazing considering no other coach has had nearly that level of success, but people wanted him gone. Loyalty is sticking by your team, supporting them through thick and thin, and hating the cowboys. If your a real fan, there is no leaving the team, and guess what, no matter how much you rant on this board you're not changing Bruce Allen's, Shanny's or Snyders decisions in anyway. The idea that a band of fans could "force" Dan Snyder to do anything is ridiculous. We're not "blindly" accepting the team's failures, there's nothing we can do to change it so ranting every second and hating everyone in the organization doesn't help, it just reinforces the negatives and makes us look immature. Civil debate about the team and repsect for the other fans opinions is what we should be showing. Enough man, seriously.
Now proceed to kill this post....

[WhodatSkinsFan?]

LOL what has happened here, I start a thread about how much fighting there is within our own fan base and then what happens, that exact thing, lol well carry on I guess it will never change.


ha, ha, ha...

I was thinking the same thing.