Matt Leinart

[Ricky Ervins]

IF, the Skins don't draft a QB we are looking at a pretty uninspiring crop of free agent QBs.

Matt Leinart will be a free agent at the end of the season. He spent this past year learning the Gary Kubiak offense, which of course is basically the exact same offense and terminology we run.

Yes he is the typical big name, low production guy that fans on this board continuosly clamor for, but he is a first round talent who has NEVER had a chance.

If we dont pick a qb in the first round this year, how do we feel about bringing him in to compete with Sexy Rexy and Beck? He's definately not hte answer, but hes a former first roudner with a year worth of experience in the offense. Couldnt we do a lot worse then bringing him in to compete with the 2 headed monster of Sexy Rexy and Beck?

[SiCkSoULjA]

Let's get Brady Quinn too and have a 3 way battle for the starting spot.

[LD0506]

Never had a chance?

Really?

[worstSeat]

Only if it's a package deal with Shar.

[Riggo#44]

Let's get Brady Quinn too and have a 3 way battle for the starting spot.

Only if we can trade someone of Peyton Hillis' caliber for him :rolleyes:

[Devastate]

Dang guys we have one game left.. Threads of pure comic gold like this one should be reserved for the offseason!

[Campbell's_da_man]

Forget it. He was good in college, but this is the NFL. Big difference for some players, and he's one of them.

[authentic]

No! He's damaged goods. No thanks.

[Grimm]

Matt Leinart is a bum.

[Missin Meast]

Leinart is more worried about looking good and living comfortably .... he has starter capabilites but 3rd string effort. He will be a backup in this league forever....which he is fine with.

[jfriedenthal]

Matt Leinart, despite lighting it up in pre-season, looking VERY sharp was cut due to his personality, and immaturity..... Does that sound like someone who would get along wtih Shanny? See: Thomas, Devin

[Bang]

Matt Leinart is a bum.

Bums resent that.

No thanks on Leinert.

~Bang

[GaryGreenMonk]

Never had a chance?

Really?

He really didn't. Dennis Green was always pissed at him for his holdout on the team following his drafting.

He then suffered 2 season ending injuries in each of the following 2 seasons. His first rookie season as a starter he started 11 games with about 2500 yards and 11 TD's before being injured. He had an o.k. passer rating for a rookie and did fairly well.

His second season he started 5 games before he had another season ending injury.

That was pretty much his last chance as he never started again and over the next several years on threw 29 passes in regular season play as mop up duty for Warner.

I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in to compete if he's super cheap and we don't draft a QB.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Can we get to the draft already and let Shanahan put this to bed when he picks his guy.

Hail.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

God no!!! He's terrible!!

[nightbird]

He had a chance -- Arizona practically begged him to seize the reigns of that offense, and he couldn't do it.

How many other young qb's get to enter the league with a strong running game and TWO hall of fame quality receivers?

He's a terrible football player. Sometimes it's that simple.

I'm content to leave it at that, regardless of where he played in college.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

This is going to sound wishy-washy, but if the coaches believe he's a good fit, I'm in. The guys HAS to have talent to do what he's done in college. It's very possible that he doesn't have the maturity or the leadership, but if he's cheap, knows the system, and had a fire lit under him for being cut...I'm sure it's worth a gamble.

I'd assume that, if motivated, he can perform better than Grossman...but I could be wrong. In conclusion, I won't be up in arms about it if the coaches bring him in.

[JPCreativelab]

by 'never got a chance', do you actually mean...he never got a chance to.....sleep with the coaches wife? or....eat some nachos? or ...party at the club more?

'cause if you are referring to playing football, i dont get it.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

You can't drop Matt Leinart in a city filled with 22 and 23 year old interns.

Is there a Salt Lake City in the NFL? He needs to go there.

[Boss_Hogg]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/how_about_no.jpg

[TGI Jef]

He had a chance -- Arizona practically begged him to seize the reigns of that offense, and he couldn't do it.

How many other young qb's get to enter the league with a strong running game and TWO hall of fame quality receivers?

He's a terrible football player. Sometimes it's that simple.

I'm content to leave it at that, regardless of where he played in college.

perfectly said, and this essentially ends any argument regarding him. few football players that i actively hate the way i hate this guy.

[Dick Edds]

he doesn't seem to have the desire to me to be a franchise QB. I don't see him amounting to much in the NFL, other than a back-up. But I've been wrong before. I'd rather keep Rexy, and draft someone to groom though.

[MadMonkey]

Matt Leinart, despite lighting it up in pre-season, looking VERY sharp was cut due to his personality, and immaturity..... Does that sound like someone who would get along wtih Shanny? See: Thomas, Devin

Also lost the respect of the team while the starter in Arizona.

[Doubleh]

Dude, it's a little early in the day to be drinking. I'm just sayin'...

[Chump Bailey]

I don't see how is is an upgrade to Rex. Rex has the better arm too. Matt cannot push the ball down field well.

[Champskins]

http://files.sharenator.com/Your_argument_is_invalid_Your_Argument_is_Invalid-s460x617-66326-580.jpg

But seriously..... NO! He wouldn't make it as a backup in the Arena League or CFL. Id rather have Ryan Leaf, today! They are actually quite similar.. Leaf was the worst draft pick ever, and Leinart is soon to be one when hes out of the league

[Voice_of_Reason]

No thank you.

[Tarheel_Skin]

wet noodle for an arm...

[tiger187126]

really? this is what this has come to?

[Fred Jones]

Dang guys we have one game left.. Threads of pure comic gold like this one should be reserved for the offseason!

Good and accurate post. Can't wait for the off season when I can read more of these threads.

[Champskins]

Good and accurate post. Can't wait for the off season when I can read more of these threads.

It should be a wacky offseason for sure. Was listening to Lavar and Dukes when they had Rich Campbell on there yesterday... He said that they are going to be heavily pursuing in free agency this year... and Rich is a Reskins insider

[Dan T.]

Vet min + Jagermeister.

[Forehead]

I'd be okay with it if we got a 5 for 1 deal.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/matt-leinart-girls-dirty.jpg

[Champskins]

I'd be okay with it if we got a 5 for 1 deal.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/matt-leinart-girls-dirty.jpg

I would love to have just taken the damn photo!

[HRNY4ZRNY]

Lets bring in Leinart, Quinn and Russel. All number one picks. Let em battle it out. LOL

[Champskins]

Lets bring in Leinart, Quinn and Russel. All number one picks. Let em battle it out. LOL

Id definitely pay to see training camp if that happened..... Quinn would fight Leinart over chicks and Russel would eat them both after he snorted codeine

[The Tris]

How do you snort liquid codeine? I find that question far more interesting than seriously discussing Matt Leinhart.

[AKM311]

I hate people who start these threads (sorry but ridiculous ideas) and then never respond in them.

It is like you know your idea is ridiculous and run from it. If you truly thought it was a good idea, then you would try and defend your original post with more thoughts on why it would be smart to make such a move. These are the exact threads that are clogging the main page and should be closed and removed.

[MEANDWARF]

You can't drop Matt Leinart in a city filled with 22 and 23 year old interns.

Is there a Salt Lake City in the NFL? He needs to go there.
Guess trading for Big Ben from Pittsburgh is out of the question.

[Champskins]

How do you snort liquid codeine? I find that question far more interesting than seriously discussing Matt Leinhart.

haha i thought he was snorting pills or something, didnt know he was drinking the kool-aid

[The Tris]

http://www.thefoosballwizard.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/russelldrank.jpg

[Darc Requiem]

Let's get Brady Quinn too and have a 3 way battle for the starting spot.

Okay that's taking it a bit far. I'm not a huge fan of Leinart but Brady Quinn is on another level when it comes to sucking horribly.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

no thanks, maybe Jarmarcus will be over 350 pounds next year and we can bring him in for an o-lineman as well.

[The Tris]

Okay that's taking it a bit far. I'm not a huge fan of Leinart but Brady Quinn is on another level when it comes to sucking horribly.

Not that I love Brady Quinn (because I do not), but to be fair:

Brady Quinn has a better TD-INT (10-9 vs. 14-20) split, and only marginally worse numbers in completion % and QB rating, despite Leinhart having Fitz and Boldin and Quinn having, well, Mohamed Massaquoi and Mike Furrey as his top two WRs.

If you think Leinhart is redeemable, than surely you should think Quinn is.

[chaught76]

Heath Shuler was a good college QB too.

I'll pass. Like someone else said, he never stepped up and couldn't perform for Arizona with 2 Pro-Bowl WRs.

[darrelgreenie]

I would welcome Matt only because of how much i dislike Rex Grossman.

[J-bomb]

I'm not against bringing him in to see if he can stick as a backup but if he sucks then they will cut him so harm will come of it.

[joe]

You can't drop Matt Leinart in a city filled with 22 and 23 year old interns.

Is there a Salt Lake City in the NFL? He needs to go there.


That really made me laugh almost as much as the fact that someone actually wants to give this guy a try!

If he is not good enough for Russ Grimm, he is not good enough for me.

[The Tris]

I would welcome Matt only because of how much i dislike Rex Grossman.

I don't get this.

Leinhart: 17 starts, 57.1 completion %, 70.8 rating, 14-20 TD-INT (0.82/game-1.18/game)
Grossman 33 starts, 54.0 completion %, 70.2 rating, 38-39 TD-INT (1.17/game-1.18/game)

Leinhart had Fitz and Boldin, Rex had Mushin and Berrian.

I don't get that at all except personal bias.

[skins island connection]

This is a joke, right? I thought it was hilarious, I laughed my ass off, thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
Why not just try to get Jason Campbell back, or trade with Indy to get Painter?
Sorry, Matt is damaged goods, and MAY have 1 or 2 good games a season outta him; he surely wouldn't put any fear into ****iti'mthrowingdeep Rex Grossman's spot, and there's already enough attitude on this team, no need for more...

[Ricky Ervins]

I hate people who start these threads (sorry but ridiculous ideas) and then never respond in them.

It is like you know your idea is ridiculous and run from it. If you truly thought it was a good idea, then you would try and defend your original post with more thoughts on why it would be smart to make such a move. These are the exact threads that are clogging the main page and should be closed and removed.

OK buddy.

As great of a coach as Whiz has been, he doesnt have a track record for developing young QBs. Credit for Big Ben has always gone to Arians. Look at the way Skelton and Hall have struggled this year (although they are much less talented).

Beynd that, we have see countless times struggling QBs go from one system to another and thrive in it. Maybe he is better suited to be a system qb as that is clearly what the shannys want. They dont want an improvising type guy... they want someone to run their system. I wont go through the countless examples of QBs that struggled when they first came in the league, but once humbled and put into a system that suits them, they thrive. But as redskins fans Todd Collins should come to mind. I think Kyle Ortons success in Denver can be characterized that way too. Rich Gannon led the raiders to the superbowl after countless teams (including ours) let him go. It happends all the time.. this isnt exactly an outlandish assertion.

You cant deny that Leinart has talent. Theres a reason why players go that early in the draft. Yes, the work ethic thing has been a MAJOR issue, but sometimes situations like this humble players. His reputation as SC was as a fantastic leader.

And lastly, Leinart hasnt really started a game since 2007 (he started one game last year when Kurt was injured, but I dont think that is a fair evaluation of a qb). Even in 2007, he only started 5 games. A lot of these players you just dont know until you give them a chance. I never make too much of preseason, but he thrived this preseason in the Texans system. I know it was against 3rd stringers and mostly guys who are stocking supermarket shelves, but he should receive some recognition for it. Beck didnt have success against similar talent levels in our presason games.

Look... am i saying that Matt Leinart is tha answer for us? Of course not. However, if we dont draft a QB early... what are the other options? Wouldnt you rather see a former first rounder wtih experience in our offense then one of the other bums out there? Would we really feel much more comfortable with Rex Grossman than Leinart? If your answer to that question is yes, my guess is you are the same guy who was freaking out when we signed Grossman in the first place. Think outside the box for once. Past performance isnt always the best indicator of future performance.

[benskins26]

Did I fall asleep and wake up on April 1st? What is going on?

[Ricky Ervins]

Did I fall asleep and wake up on April 1st? What is going on?

that is such a funny post, thanks for sharing that with us.

So, who do you want as our QB next year if we dont draft a QB in the first round? You want another year of the Sexy Rexy show?

[Pick6]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/specialistred5/facepalm_implied.jpg

[Dan T.]

Matt Leinhart throws as pretty a pass as anyone in the league. Maybe he's matured and deserves a shot at redemption. But the Redskins are not the team to offer him that shot. There is too much turmoil up and down the roster for the Shanahans to take that on.

[benskins26]

that is such a funny post, thanks for sharing that with us.

So, who do you want as our QB next year if we dont draft a QB in the first round? You want another year of the Sexy Rexy show?

I'll take Sexy rexy over hot tub Leinart anyday and twice on Sundays.

[AKM311]

OK buddy.

As great of a coach as Whiz has been, he doesnt have a track record for developing young QBs. Credit for Big Ben has always gone to Arians. Look at the way Skelton and Hall have struggled this year (although they are much less talented).

Beynd that, we have see countless times struggling QBs go from one system to another and thrive in it. Maybe he is better suited to be a system qb as that is clearly what the shannys want. They dont want an improvising type guy... they want someone to run their system. I wont go through the countless examples of QBs that struggled when they first came in the league, but once humbled and put into a system that suits them, they thrive. But as redskins fans Todd Collins should come to mind. I think Kyle Ortons success in Denver can be characterized that way too. Rich Gannon led the raiders to the superbowl after countless teams (including ours) let him go. It happends all the time.. this isnt exactly an outlandish assertion.

You cant deny that Leinart has talent. Theres a reason why players go that early in the draft. Yes, the work ethic thing has been a MAJOR issue, but sometimes situations like this humble players. His reputation as SC was as a fantastic leader.

And lastly, Leinart hasnt really started a game since 2007 (he started one game last year when Kurt was injured, but I dont think that is a fair evaluation of a qb). Even in 2007, he only started 5 games. A lot of these players you just dont know until you give them a chance. I never make too much of preseason, but he thrived this preseason in the Texans system. I know it was against 3rd stringers and mostly guys who are stocking supermarket shelves, but he should receive some recognition for it. Beck didnt have success against similar talent levels in our presason games.

Look... am i saying that Matt Leinart is tha answer for us? Of course not. However, if we dont draft a QB early... what are the other options? Wouldnt you rather see a former first rounder wtih experience in our offense then one of the other bums out there? Would we really feel much more comfortable with Rex Grossman than Leinart? If your answer to that question is yes, my guess is you are the same guy who was freaking out when we signed Grossman in the first place. Think outside the box for once. Past performance isnt always the best indicator of future performance.

Thanks for the reply and this post definitely is 10 times better and more thought out than your original post. While I do agree that some times it takes QBs a while or humbling to grow up, there is 10 times the amount of cases where the QB continues to stink.

I am not going to sit here and pick your thoughts apart, as you may be right or I may be right. That isn't the point I had with your OP. It was the lack of thought and discussion material. I still think Lienart is a bum. He was in a situation most QBs would die for. Two Pro-Bowl WRs. A very solid defense. A very solid running game. He just didn't care enough to get better.

To be honest, when we signed Grossman, I didn't care. I expected this season to be a learning season. McNabb or not. It didn't bother me. I didn't expect the playoffs and actually predicted a 7-9 season. I rather draft a QB (even if it is in the 2nd round) and continue to develop other positions. Lienart takes away from that plan. I expect another 8-8 type season next year as well. We are very far from competing in lots of phases. Talent, culture, chemistry, on/off field drama, etc. I mean there is a lot to clean up. I am not sure bringing in someone like Lienart is worth the risk of taking snaps away from someone who has yet to truly test his potential in the NFL.

BTW....Wisenhunt didn't draft Lienart. So it was never his plan to develop him.

[Ricky Ervins]

I'll take Sexy rexy over hot tub Leinart anyday and twice on Sundays.

What if I asked you last year at this time whether you would rather have Rex or Leinart as the starting qb of the redskins in 2011. Do you really think you would have said Rex?? You would have been CRAZY to say that. The fact of the matter is the 2 games Rex started for the Shannys changed your opinion about him. What I am saying is that the same thing could happen if you put Leinart in this offense. You never know. None of the people criticizing me on this page would have ever thought last year at this time you would be advocating to have Rex over Leinart.

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE!!

[HRNY4ZRNY]

I'll take Sexy rexy over hot tub Leinart anyday and twice on Sundays.

I second this...

I would rather try to get Tebow than Leinart.

---------- Post added December-29th-2010 at 02:16 PM ----------


What if I asked you last year at this time whether you would rather have Rex or Leinart as the starting qb of the redskins in 2011. Do you really think you would have said Rex?? You would have been CRAZY to say that. The fact of the matter is the 2 games Rex started for the Shannys changed your opinion about him. What I am saying is that the same thing could happen if you put Leinart in this offense. You never know. None of the people criticizing me on this page would have ever thought last year at this time you would be advocating to have Rex over Leinart.

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE!!



Oh and I consider myself an out of the box person. But when you talk about bringing in Leinart as the QB for the Washington Redskins. It makes me want to run and hide in the box and then kill myself.

---------- Post added December-29th-2010 at 02:18 PM ----------

I should start the next thread.

Tyler Thigpen

Then I can tell people to think outside the BOX

[Operations]

Leinart lacks an NFL arm. He's no threat throwing deep. Grossman is better.

[Ricky Ervins]

Thanks for the reply and this post definitely is 10 times better and more thought out than your original post. While I do agree that some times it takes QBs a while or humbling to grow up, there is 10 times the amount of cases where the QB continues to stink.

I am not going to sit here and pick your thoughts apart, as you may be right or I may be right. That isn't the point I had with your OP. It was the lack of thought and discussion material. I still think Lienart is a bum. He was in a situation most QBs would die for. Two Pro-Bowl WRs. A very solid defense. A very solid running game. He just didn't care enough to get better.

To be honest, when we signed Grossman, I didn't care. I expected this season to be a learning season. McNabb or not. It didn't bother me. I didn't expect the playoffs and actually predicted a 7-9 season. I rather draft a QB (even if it is in the 2nd round) and continue to develop other positions. Lienart takes away from that plan. I expect another 8-8 type season next year as well. We are very far from competing in lots of phases. Talent, culture, chemistry, on/off field drama, etc. I mean there is a lot to clean up. I am not sure bringing in someone like Lienart is worth the risk of taking snaps away from someone who has yet to truly test his potential in the NFL.

BTW....Wisenhunt didn't draft Lienart. So it was never his plan to develop him.

Thanks for following up. I appreciate your request for more details then the typical "leinart cares more about going in hot tubs then football" response from some of the simple minded folk on here.

3 points I would like to make about your comments..
1) Thhe fact that Whiz didn't draft him only strengthens my argument that he never got a fair shot.
2) Leinart didnt have ANY running game
3) I clearly stated in my original post that bringing in Leinart would be in the event WE DONT DRAFT A QB. Once again, I am not advocating brining in Leinart over a rookie. Although I will say if Leinart was a senior right now at USC and just completed the career that he had, every ES member would be advocating trading our next 3 #1 picks to move up and get him.

[onedrop]

that is such a funny post, thanks for sharing that with us.

So, who do you want as our QB next year if we dont draft a QB in the first round? You want another year of the Sexy Rexy show?

what do you mean "another"? Rex has started TWO games.

[Ricky Ervins]

I second this...

I would rather try to get Tebow than Leinart.

---------- Post added December-29th-2010 at 02:16 PM ----------





Oh and I consider myself an out of the box person. But when you talk about bringing in Leinart as the QB for the Washington Redskins. It makes me want to run and hide in the box and then kill myself.

---------- Post added December-29th-2010 at 02:18 PM ----------

I should start the next thread.

Tyler Thigpen

Then I can tell people to think outside the BOX


Very intelligent comment considering Tebow is under contract and would probably require atleast our first round pick to obtain him. While Leinart is FREE AGENT.

[SkinsTribeVA]

There is absolutely no risk and an extremely low cost, so I see no reason not to let him compete.
If he fails, oh well.

[HRNY4ZRNY]

Thanks for following up. I appreciate your request for more details then the typical "leinart cares more about going in hot tubs then football" response from some of the simple minded folk on here.

2 points I would like to make about your comments..
1) Thhe fact that Whiz didn't draft him only strengthens my argument that he never got a fair shot.
2) Leinart didnt have ANY running game
3) I clearly stated in my original post that bringing in Leinart would be in the event WE DONT DRAFT A QB. Once again, I am not advocating brining in Leinart over a rookie. Although I will say if Leinart was a senior right now at USC and just completed the career that he had, every ES member would be advocating trading our next 3 #1 picks to move up and get him.

I get what you are saying here.

If we dont draft a QB we will have 2 QB's Grossman and Beck.

It wouldnt hurt bringing in Leinart. But Id rather have a Dennis Dixon or even a Tyler Thigpen.

Matt Leinart just doesnt have anything that would excite me.

Rex atleast has the deep ball. LOL

Dixon is athletic as hell and big.

Tyler Thigpen is just fun to watch. well atleast the few games in Kansas City.

Leinart > Russell

But if we are going to look at QB's Id rather look at Leinart than Jamarcus.

---------- Post added December-29th-2010 at 02:28 PM ----------


Very intelligent comment considering Tebow is under contract and would probably require atleast our first round pick to obtain him. While Leinart is FREE AGENT.

I said I would rather "try" to get Tebow.

Try being the operative word.

[benskins26]

What if I asked you last year at this time whether you would rather have Rex or Leinart as the starting qb of the redskins in 2011. Do you really think you would have said Rex?? You would have been CRAZY to say that. The fact of the matter is the 2 games Rex started for the Shannys changed your opinion about him. What I am saying is that the same thing could happen if you put Leinart in this offense. You never know. None of the people criticizing me on this page would have ever thought last year at this time you would be advocating to have Rex over Leinart.

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE!!

I'm not trying to criticize. Heck, I'd let him come in for preseason and compete maybe, but I still would have said Grossman. The last 2 games have nothing to do with it.

[Ricky Ervins]

what do you mean "another"? Rex has started TWO games.

Ok so because of that I should write "You want a first year of The Sexy Rexy show'? It would be his SECOND YEAR PAL

[HRNY4ZRNY]

I've caught some Matt Leinart games and never not once have I said "Wow"

I have for the QB's I listed above.

[Ricky Ervins]

I've caught some Matt Leinart games and never not once have I said "Wow"

I have for the QB's I listed above.

So you never watched him in college? If you had watched Cassel last year before Weiss came in and ran the patriots offense he was comfortbale in, would you have said "wow"? Im not saying Leinart has done anything in his NFL career to make us think hes gonna be great. If that was the case, he wouldnt be the 3rd string qb on the texans. But there is a reason nfl scouts much smarter than any of us evaluated him as a first round qb, and maybe it takes the right offensive system to bring it out.

[onedrop]

Ok so because of that I should write "You want a first year of The Sexy Rexy show'? It would be his SECOND YEAR PAL

why dont you take it easy there slick. i merely asked you a question. but to answer yours, i am not against seeing what Rex is capable of as full time starter BUT it depends on the scenario at the start of next season. furthermore, as to your "ANOTHER year of the sexy Rexy show". the words "another" and "show" would lead one to beleive that we had a season of such spectacle, which we all know isnt true. that, is why i asked....but thanks for coming out PAL

[HRNY4ZRNY]

So you never watched him in college? If you had watched Cassel last year before Weiss came in and ran the patriots offense he was comfortbale in, would you have said "wow"? Im not saying Leinart has done anything in his NFL career to make us think hes gonna be great. If that was the case, he wouldnt be the 3rd string qb on the texans. But there is a reason nfl scouts much smarter than any of us evaluated him as a first round qb, and maybe it takes the right offensive system to bring it out.

So by your logic lets bring in Russell.

he has shown nothing either. And was a great QB in college.

NFL scouts evaluated him as a 1st round pick.

And maybe it just takes Russell the right offensive system to bring it out.

[skins island connection]

Between Grossman and Leinart, there would be a ferocious battle for the hair gel; if thats what they are calling it now...

[skinsfan_north]

I want to respond by first stating that I am a USC alumn and am therefore biased.

I see very little risk in bringing in Leinart ... his biggest problems is similar to that of Vince Young - he is not mature and has the attitude of entitlement. This is the main reason why the Cards walked away from him. Hopefully, being cut was humbling enough for him.

I agree witht he poster and think he can be a good player in the NFL ... he has shown flashed in the regular season /// he did play well for the Cards when called upon ... see the game he played against the Titans ... yes the Cards lost, but Leinart played very well.

I definitely think he is more talented and capable then the current cast of characters we have on the roster. My view is bring him in and draft other positions of need .... if he plays well its a steal and if not we get well positioned to take a QB a year later.

As it looks now A. Luck will likely be gone .... none of the others are Blue-chippers. I also think it is a big plus that Leinart is learning the offense in Houston!

[PokerPacker]

Not only is Leinart not very good, but I do believe he has some personality issues.

[Laxpunk2006]

No thanks. Despite getting the bigger contract Orlovsky was beaten out for the #2 spot by Rexxy. Orlovsky beat out Leinart for the #2 spot after Rex left. The over simplified math here is that Leinart is not a very good quarterback.

[CEJ2200]

Leinhart? Why don't we get Jeff George back - I heard he wants another shot...even we aren't that dysfunctional...

[ashlynskins]

Grossman is a much better QB and has shown he can manage this offense...if it were between Grossman and Leinart.....Grossman by far, shoot I'd rather go get Chris Simms then Matt Leinart

[veteranskinsfan]

I agree to take Chris Sims before looking at Matt L. There is no magic quarterback who is sitting on an NFL roster that we can steal away and turn into a playoff caliber starter. Need to find one through the draft at this point. But we need defensive linemen and have other needs so I would rather keep McNabb for one more year but that is not going to happen. I have no long term faith in Rex Grossman. He is a turnover creating machine for most defenses he faces. He tries hard but he is really not talented. Want to thank Vinny and Snyder for passing on Drew Brees several years ago after he was available and had left San Diego. I give tons of credit to New Orleans for signing him. The Dolphins were the only other team interested in signing him. We need scouts and a front office that can find second, third and late round talent through the draft now. Bobby Beathard really knew how to find "hungry" players through the draft.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I'd be willing to give him a look if he's cut but I wouldn't trade any picks for his sorry ass.

[Loyal2Washington]

Crazy talk, it starts earlier every year.

[THEREALTOR1]

I obviously have no way of knowing, but some reason, I get the feeling this thread will be bumped sometime in the next few months...

Scouting Report Links:


http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/matt_leinart.html


There is nothing physically that stands out about Leinart. He can make any throw needed, but he does not have a cannon. He is mobile, but he's not a standout athlete and is not a threat to tuck it. There were some times this year where he let his passes sail, and he won't be allowed to do that in the NFL. He has the arm strength to get the ball into coverage, he just needs to do it more often. In the NFL, a lot of the touch passes he throws will not be completed. Also, as a marked man this year, Leinart took a couple late hits to the head, and came up a little foggy at times. Just as a precaution, those slight concussions will be checked out.


http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/2006_players/matt_leinart.htm



Positives:
During his career at USC, Matt Leinart has shown good accuracy on all routes, to go along with good down-field vision. He throws one of the best deep balls in college football, putting the ball where only his guy can get it. Leinart has good pocket presence and is mobile enough to avoid the pressure, but he usually won't break a big run. He has shown he can play against top tier defenses in pressure situations. He shows great composure and leadership on the field.

Negatives:
Some question as to whether he is as good as he has looked or if it was a product of the system and supporting cast...Not very mobile...Only average athletic ability...Needs to continue to work on and refine his mechanics. Leinart's foot work isn't as good as it could be, but it obviously hasn't hurt him. However, if he works this out he will be an even better QB. The other area of concern for Leinart is his arm strength. While he has the arm to throw the ball deep, he doesn't, as of right now, have the arm to efficiently throw the deep out in the NFL.

[Gilgamesh]

*Gob Bluth Voice* "COME ON!!!"

[mi6]

No thank you. Matt is just not worth a roster spot.

[BringBackMcCants]

Let's also bring in Ryan Leaf

[Darc Requiem]

Let's also bring in Ryan Leaf

Isn't he in jail?

[cphil006]

Matt Leinart as a #3 is actually not bad considering he's familiar with Gary Kubiak's offense.

[cmman848]

If Matt Leinart couldn't cut it in Arizona with Fitz & Boldin I don't see how he'd have a prayer with our wr core and oline. If we are going to look at castoff FA QB's I think we need to either A) make major upgrades to WR/O-line in the draft and hope we can get a late round brady or B) settle for someone like Tavarus Jackson who has wheels and can possibly get by some defenders when the play breaks down. Of course option B will limit our deep passing game and we will have to settle more often than not for quick slants/posts and screens

[SkinsTribeVA]

Matt Leinart as a #3 is actually not bad considering he's familiar with Gary Kubiak's offense.

Yea I'm REALLY confused about everyone being so vehemently against the possibility of picking him up to compete for a backup spot. I'll say it again: there is NO risk. We're not talking about trading ANYTHING. We would not pay him DIDDLY. Yet, his pure talent made people, at one time, believe he'd be the next big thing at QB and he just spent a year learning our (Shanny/Kubiak's) offense. I don't think he'd really amount to much here, but he's the type of guy who could one day make a great veteran backup for a young QB, and until then he could provide competition at the #2 and #3 QB posts, which is always good.

[cmman848]

Matt Leinart as a #3 is actually not bad considering he's familiar with Gary Kubiak's offense.

I don't see this happening. I think we will resign Rex on another one-year deal. If nothing else, he can be a liaison to the new qb with terminology ect.... Beck signed an extension in the preseason so hes pretty much a lock at #3 unless he either is somehow seriously injured or plays/practices horribly (Shanny has commended how well hes practiced) The starter will be either Rex, the Rookie,or FA signee with the other being the backup. The only other possible scenario is that McNabb returns and either anointed the starter, or battles with a rookie/FA QB but id give that as much chance as me winning the powerball

[THEREALTOR1]

I don't see this happening. I think we will resign Rex on another one-year deal. If nothing else, he can be a liaison to the new qb with terminology ect.... Beck signed an extension in the preseason so hes pretty much a lock at #3 unless he either is somehow seriously injured or plays/practices horribly (Shanny has commended how well hes practiced) The starter will be either Rex, the Rookie,or FA signee with the other being the backup. The only other possible scenario is that McNabb returns and either anointed the starter, or battles with a rookie/FA QB but id give that as much chance as me winning the powerball

Hey I love Beck as much as the next guy (All Hail John Beck !! :D ) but i'm fairly sure that his contract revision/extension actually made him more expendable, not more secured. I don't have the link, but I think if you do a thread search back around that time you'll see this was discussed by a few.

Here's the link: http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?331214-Adam-Schefter-twitter-Redskins-sign-QB-Beck-to-2-yr-extention./page2 the discussion about his contract terms start around post #79.

[cmman848]

Well maybe so, but it would make more sense to keep a 3rd stringer who has knowldge of the system, than a guy who has to learn it. The chances of a third stringer playing are remote so i guess you could argue that Leinart would have plenty of time to learn it, but IMO it would make more sense to keep the guy whos already under contract and has been around this system for a year. Now if there was a significant upgrade id be all for it, but againt we are talking 3rd string QB.

[SkinsTribeVA]

Well maybe so, but it would make more sense to keep a 3rd stringer who has knowldge of the system, than a guy who has to learn it. The chances of a third stringer playing are remote so i guess you could argue that Leinart would have plenty of time to learn it, but IMO it would make more sense to keep the guy whos already under contract and has been around this system for a year. Now if there was a significant upgrade id be all for it, but againt we are talking 3rd string QB.

Leinart does have knowledge of the system since he spend this season in Houston, plus he's two years younger than Beck (27 and 29, respectively) and you usually want a younger guy at 3rd string.

[THEREALTOR1]

Leinart does have knowledge of the system since he spend this season in Houston, plus he's two years younger than Beck (27 and 29, respectively) and you usually want a younger guy at 3rd string.

How about we go into next year with a QB competition between Rex, Beck, and Leinart? All 3 have at least a year in the system under their belt, and we can use the 3rd round pick we get for #5 towards filling one of our many holes. Sounds like an automatic fast track to teh paloffs if you ask me :D

[SkinsTribeVA]

How about we go into next year with a QB competition between Rex, Beck, and Leinart? All 3 have at least a year in the system under their belt, and we can use the 3rd round pick we get for #5 towards filling one of our many holes. Sounds like an automatic fast track to teh paloffs if you ask me :D

I'm in favor of drafting a QB if a good one falls to us, but if not (decide not to, one doesn't fall to us, whatever), then I'd be cool with that trio heading into next season. Obviously none of those guys is the long term answer but that'd be a solid three guys to compete for the job for a couple years while we build a team and look for a QB in the draft.

[Skins-Canes-Mounties]

We need to draft a QB, even if it is a late round pick. Leinart would be a good addition to compete so long as he isn't relied upon to start.

[Crazy Levi]

We need to draft a QB, even if it is a late round pick. Leinart would be a good addition to compete so long as he isn't relied upon to start.

So would Jamarcus Russel, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, or any other number of QBs nobody wants.

Really no reason to bring another high profile loser in here. There's no upside with that guy.

[skins island connection]

If they do draft a QB, I just hope they get one who can move his head to the left or right a little; you know, scan the field a little?
It would be in their better interest to go after some middle round QB that has some book-smarts to him; there are quite a few mid round ones who panned out pretty well, and probably will not be demanding 50 mil off the bat...

[JoeSkins]

Leinart does have knowledge of the system since he spend this season in Houston, plus he's two years younger than Beck (27 and 29, respectively) and you usually want a younger guy at 3rd string.

Ideally, you want much younger than either 27 or 29 when you're only in your second year of the system. Rookies can be taught and groomed as cheap 3rd stringers. Is there ever really a need to make a sizeable investment in a 3rd stringer, especially when they never see the field?

As for Leinart replacing Beck at all, I'm not even sure he's an upgrade at this point in his career. The Redskins had a shot at Leinart and passed already from what I remember.