Is trent the answer or is guard a better fit.

[bskinsfan]

I truly hoped he was the answer but is really slow and looks overweight and slow on his feet . A better fit for a guard. And most likely a a probowl player there. Anybody else see this. Hail Skins

[Bat~man]

Nah, just you brotha

[GoodOnPaper]

Trent did really well early in the season. He's a rookie, and he's only going to get better. Put him at guard and then we have a real big problem at LT. No way.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

OK...since now I'm concerned that this was a serious post, just flip on tonights game and watch Okung play to see how happy we should be with Williams. Oh wait, he's out again with another injury.

[Skin'emAlive]

No. he is by far the best of our ol. Do you really want to see Heyer back at LT?

[HailGreen28]

Hell, no. He's done fine at LT this season.

Being a grinder isn't his best game, anyways. He does fine in space.

[Bat~man]

He's a rookie playing with a patchwork line who all together are learning to play in a new system....all that while going up against some pretty dominate pass rushers.

He had a pretty good rookie season, sure it was up and down.. but he is our LT

[terrifNick21]

You can't be serious. Lmao! Trent's one of the best LT's in the NFL already.

[bskinsfan]

Im not saying there isnt more important problems on the line. But would it be so bad if we drafted somebody faster on there feet and moved him .

[PlayAction]

He got schooled a few times by the Giants but he's still only a rookie. Have patience.

[Bang]

Yes, Trent is the answer at left tackle.

~Bang

[#98QBKiller]

Is this a joke thread?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Im not saying there isnt more important problems on the line. But would it be so bad if we drafted somebody faster on there feet and moved him .

Yes.

[bskinsfan]

And why is that TD

[Boss_Hogg]

Ummm, idono fail?

[Coolio47]

Is this a serious question? :whoknows:

[A Skinhead in Saints Land]

Are we seriously discussing this? I thought Trent has played exceptionally well in his ROOKIE season. He's already good and is only gonna get better.

[scruffylookin]

He was okay this year. Chris Samuels was better in his rookie year but I think Williams showed enough to feel comfortable that he is a long term solution at LT.

[Duckus]

He is fine. He hit the rookie wall. He was phenomenal the first 2/3s of the season. He has never played a 16 game season and I think it has effected his game the last few weeks.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I'm not worried about him long term.

He was awful today though.

Osi was absolutely abusing him.

[dg28daman]

Osi's one of the best DEs in the league. Trent basically played every single one of the best DEs this year and looked pretty darn good considering. Yes, Trent's the answer.

[E-Dog Night]

Trent Williams at guard? Might want to check the expiration date of that egg nog you're drinking.

[Sticksboi05]

Yessir he is the answer.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Perception is a strange thing. Slow on his feet? He's very mobile with quick feet, actually. No. He should not play anywhere but LT. He's an absolute beast and played really well against the best of the best (DE's) this year...and he's rookie. I think we're set at LT and even RT based on Brown's play late in the season. One impact interior lineman acquisition via the draft or FA will do wonders for this offense if the Skins can add a couple of skill position guys that will stretch defenses.

It'd be nice to address two or three spots on the line next year, but I doubt that will happen. One is a start and again, will make a big difference. I also think the growth of this offense next season will depend on much more than the Oline. We're in desperate need of game changing skill guys especially at RB.

[Skins199021]

Wow reactionary much?

[clskinsfan]

Nice thread. As a side note I like grilled cheese.

[bskinsfan]

He will meet the best all his time as a skin. I am hopeing you all are right. But im not comfident.

[Boston Skins]

He will meet the best all his time as a skin. I am hopeing you all are right. But im not comfident.

Vinny, quit logging on to extremeskins with random usernames. It's not funny.

[War Paint]

lol. Note to self.... Do not make threads or post here after getting drunk while watching football.

[SkinsFanMania]

Actually your way off base OP. He has extremely quick feet and as normally happens with Rookies hit a wall around midseason as Rookies aren't used to playing this many games in a season.

He also played against some of the best DE in the league and held them in check on many occasions. He is going to be a probowler for many years to come.

[Dukes and Skins]

He's a LT end of story he our franchise LT and will always be that

[McD5]

He looks fantastic, for a third round pick.

As a top five pick? Not even close yet.

He's certainly no Jake Long. He isn't even a 21st pick Oher.

Hopefully he improves dramatically over the offseason.

[bskinsfan]

If thats all you got to say why respond at all boston. But so you no i do think he was a great draft pick. I would have picked him. But whats wrong with moveing him. He has played left and right. Wouldnt it improve our line if we drafted a better left tackle.

[Skins199021]

People are just so annoying sometimes.

Somehow he was going to be a HOF tackle in his first year, while dealing with minor, yet nagging injuries against a really really good D-line today.

Doesn't excuse his play today, but nothing even close to panic about

[blitzpackage]

I'm not worried about him long term.

He was awful today though.

Osi was absolutely abusing him.

I'm just curious why you say he was abused today? We only gave up 2 sacks total, and one of the Osi sacks Cooley was blocking him 1on1 in what looked like a called protection. I watched all of the game except for the drive with the Rex pick. Did I miss something? I thought the OL did a fantastic job against the Giants. They lead the league in sacks and turnovers on defense, and Rex didn't seem to be overly pressured.

[TK]

http://www.mattdude.com/wp-content/uploads/your-argument-is-invalid-picard.png

[Boston Skins]

If thats all you got to say why respond at all boston. But so you no i do think he was a great draft pick. I would have picked him. But whats wrong with moveing him. He has played left and right. Wouldnt it improve our line if we drafted a better left tackle.

How much better do you want to get??? He is far and away the best offensive lineman on this team. As long as Jamaal Brown stays healthy, the Redskins finally have the tackle positions shored up for the forseable future. No. We will draft guards and a center. There is absolutely no reason to move Trent anywhere. Whatsoever.

Is that better?

[bskinsfan]

Yes ty boston. and your probly right. But if the best pick on the board is a left tackle would you take him.

[Dukes and Skins]

Yes ty boston. and your probly right. But if the best pick on the board is a left tackle would you take him.

No you don't moving Trent to Guard would be a terrible move. You don't pay a G 60 million or whatever it was for him he's a franchise LT and while yes he's struggled this year once he hit the rookie wall, he's also gone up against some great competition and has proven that he's going to be a force once he continues to refine his technique and footwork.

[bskinsfan]

So this team is baced around contract not talent well that scares me

[ciresolstice]

1 of 2 scenarios.

This is a joke thread.... or

All thoughts should not be thread starts or posts.


*rollin* @ TK's star trek referenced pic.


Trent is doing fine where he is. He took his lumps, played well most of the season against some of the best pass rushers in the game. Maybe you can look back on this and laugh at us and the coaches will see what you do but doubt it. I think his physical attributes/skill set serve him well where he is. To me you're taking a position of strength and making it a weakness by moving him and we already have wayyyy too many holes to fill on this team in the offseason.

[Dukes and Skins]

So this team is baced around contract not talent well that scares me

no its not based around the contract but why would you pay a LG that much money? It makes no sense and to give up on him right now and move him to G would be a terrible move, give the guy a chance to continue to improve his game before we can judge him, Samuels didn't have the best rookie year and came out the 2nd year and was great so we never know and we won't until 2011

[bskinsfan]

Thats fair dukes but the whole line needs help and he would be a upgrade at any outher tackle or g so why be scared to move him.

[Boston Skins]

Yes ty boston. and your probly right. But if the best pick on the board is a left tackle would you take him.

No dude. Like I said, either tackle position is nowhere near the radar right now.

[bskinsfan]

Ok other then center where do we uogreade our line

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I'm just curious why you say he was abused today? We only gave up 2 sacks total, and one of the Osi sacks Cooley was blocking him 1on1 in what looked like a called protection. I watched all of the game except for the drive with the Rex pick. Did I miss something? I thought the OL did a fantastic job against the Giants. They lead the league in sacks and turnovers on defense, and Rex didn't seem to be overly pressured.

I was watching Trent throughout the game and I was unimpressed. He wasn't able to do much of anything against Osi and while he only gave up two sacks he wasn't able to do much on the running plays either.

Again, not concerned overall but today wasn't great.


Ok other then center where do we uogreade our line

Uh, how about everywhere?

Outside of Trent and possibly Jamaal I'm not satisfied with anyone else, and I'm giving Brown the benefit of the doubt because of his hip injury.

[jflow78]

Pretty much nothing to see here. Trent did fantastic for the first half of the season, then the wall hit him, which often happens with rookies. It's the first time he's every played football for this long, give the guy some slack in his first season. Even Shanahan said it was a normal thing to see this kind of performance drop off after about 11 or 12 games.

Trent is the man at LT, we don't want to start drafting LTs every year. And why in the **** would we put him at GUARD?! If he was really struggling this season, then we'd slide him over to RT, not GUARD. Come on man.

He was fine, relax. I wish the team would give out tranquilizers so that people could take them when they feel an overreaction coming on.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

hes a very good LT. hes a friggin rookie and went up against elite DEs constantly this season. so osi pwned him today, you could make a list of good LTs that osi has abused throughout his career, especially considering whos playing next to him at G.

[DieselPwr44]

He looks fantastic, for a third round pick.

As a top five pick? Not even close yet.

He's certainly no Jake Long. He isn't even a 21st pick Oher.

Hopefully he improves dramatically over the offseason.

Did you happen to see Long today? He got pushed around like a Safeway shopping cart today by Vince Wilfork and Co.

Should the Dolphins draft another LT or release him?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

He looks fantastic, for a third round pick.

As a top five pick? Not even close yet.

He's certainly no Jake Long. He isn't even a 21st pick Oher.

Hopefully he improves dramatically over the offseason.


cmon MCD5, youre way too hard on guys unless theyre the second coming of the best player at that position ever. williams has been a good LT all year, hes a rookie, hes playing on a garbage line, and has faced some very good rushers, not to mention hes been injured a lot this year.

theres no such thing as an LT thats dominant every week, all guys have weaknesses or do poorly from time to time. today just happened to be a poor day for williams, but hes a great building block for us.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

I'm not sure if some of you all are serious when you're posting... but seriously!?!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Did you happen to see Long today? He got pushed around like a Safeway shopping cart today by Vince Wilfork and Co.

Should the Dolphins draft another LT or release him?

lol, how about russel okung, the guy everyone was clamouring for us to draft? all hes done is get injured and beaten around in seattle.

[Annonymous Source]

Ok other then center where do we uogreade our line

.....Left Guard, Right Guard. The only one that is urgent right now though is Center. At guard we have numerous servicable players that are fairly young and have room to improve. At Center we have Rabach and...........

Trent struggled the second half of the season, but has looked amazingly athletic when isolated and in space. He looks very quick and has a good base. The things he needs to improve are his Strength and his Technique, two things that he will hopefully strongly focus on this offseason. The simple fact is that there is nobody in this draft that athletically is a better prospect at LT than Trent though, so your whole premise sort of falls apart.

Sorry you got flamed, but it happens sometimes when somebody posts something so radically different from the mainstream perspective.

also obligatory youtube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[SirClintonPortis]

Even Chris Samuels got owned by Ware at least once every game. After people were calling Armstrong slow even though he is the fastest player on the team, I now firmly believe that the average fan allows their bias to cloud their perception of players. When Trent was handling Ware, etc earlier in the season, would you have considered him overweight? IT'S JUST YOU, OPENING POSTER.

Trent has been trying to play through injury as well.

[scampbell1975]

Seriously? I hope this isn't a serious post.

[rockfan7224]

Do you think silverback could be our starting qb, next year? While we're at it why don't we throw Banks in at NT, resign Larry Johnson, and try to get Jim Haslett to be our place kicker.

[Annonymous Source]

Even Chris Samuels got owned by Ware at least once every game. After people were calling Armstrong slow even though he is the fastest player on the team, I now firmly believe that the average fan allows their bias to cloud their perception of players. When Trent was handling Ware, etc earlier in the season, would you have considered him overweight? IT'S JUST YOU, OPENING POSTER.

Trent has been trying to play through injury as well.

This. I never thought Armstrong was that fast until about halfway through the season when I realized that he was getting behind people without making a move at least once a game. I am very curious to see who would win in a footrace between him and Banks. It is great that we finally have elite speed at one position.

[jflow78]

This. I never thought Armstrong was that fast until about halfway through the season when I realized that he was getting behind people without making a move at least once a game. I am very curious to see who would win in a footrace between him and Banks. It is great that we finally have elite speed at one position.

And how about Austin today. He only had two receptions but on both of them he was wide open and made great plays. I really hope our WRs are getting better, still think a FA or rookie would be great, but we've come a few hundred miles since the start of the season, and since last season. Same with RBs and OL (though I think we've still got substantial work to do at OL, but definitely not LT).

[Annonymous Source]

And how about Austin today. He only had two receptions but on both of them he was wide open and made great plays. I really hope our WRs are getting better, still think a FA or rookie would be great, but we've come a few hundred miles since the start of the season, and since last season. Same with RBs and OL (though I think we've still got substantial work to do at OL, but definitely not LT).

Havent seen enough of Austin to have an opinion, but I definitlely do want to see more of him. We have a whole bunch of recievers that fit the same physical build, so they are somewhat interchangeable within the system, which is a plus. We have gotten very young at Running Back with Torain, Williams, and Davis and I fully expect for Shanahan to have replaced one of them by the end of training camp next year with someone with even more upside. With the line I really do think that if they get a more physically talented Center it will improve the play of those around him tremendously. The simple fact is, however, that this team has become significantly younger this year and we have gotten a chance to take a look at many of those players in game situations.

[skinsfanindallas88]

People already mentioned the longer season being an issue...another thing that should be taken into consideration is a lot of times when top tier college teams (i.e. Oklahoma) they often play second or third stringers when they are blowing teams out early in their seasons...therefore what is a 12 game slate becomes a 9 or 10 game slate.

[Spear]

Too slow? Williams is athletically without peer among o-linemen. When he has fresh legs again, gets over the rookie hump and heals up (fans never really know how a guy is feeling physically this late in the season), he will be fine.

[CrabR]

I think he had a good season for a rookie.Looks like Williams has gained weight. I hope that does not carry over to the off season. I am not sure but wasn't that the knock on him in college, he was not a hard worker.

[Chump Bailey]

Nah, just you brotha

Second that.

[joeknows]

maybe i have selective memory but it really seems that he was only beaten by the best in the league this year.

[kramdizzle]

You can't be serious. Lmao! Trent's one of the best LT's in the NFL already.


One of the best? This statement makes me LMAO. He had a good, not great rookie season. He will only get better and IMO will be a premier LT in the league, but to say that he is one of the best already is a laughable statement.

[LD0506]

Another new year off to a fine start and once again I want to thank the diligent overnighters for producing the fresh LOL to go with my coffee. You just can't make this **** up

[Madison Redskin]

I'm sure Williams will be a fine LT, but Suggs, Ware, and Umenyiora took his lunch money.

[ST21]

While I agree that Trent is not a bad LT, I too am wondering if he can be dominant at this point. As a LT most are considered "no longer a rookie" by late in the season and today was the last game of the season. I was disappointed in what I saw today. Most will say he was facing a good DE......who cares, that's his job!! I hope he gets better b/c if you are a franchise LT.....today did not look too good!!

[IrepDC]

He already has 6 games a year against D Ware, Trent Cole, and Osi. This year, he also faced Mario Williams, Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, and Clay Mathews. We have already seen him against the best the NFL has to offer. As long as those work ethic issues don't come up, he should be fine.

[Rodriggo]

Obviously Williams should stay at OT but one guy I would try at OG is Heyer.

He looked really, really good against Tennessee and they never tried it again.

[Hitman21ST]

Im not saying there isnt more important problems on the line. But would it be so bad if we drafted somebody faster on there feet and moved him .

Yes it would. Because he's not a problem, and then he has to learn a whole new position, and we have many other, more important holes to fill.

[TheShredSkinz]

Do the Detroit lions still have those cheerleaders??

[SKOALSKIN]

If thats all you got to say why respond at all boston. But so you no i do think he was a great draft pick. I would have picked him. But whats wrong with moveing him. He has played left and right. Wouldnt it improve our line if we drafted a better left tackle.

Clearly you are new to football, so I'll try to explain it in the simplest of terms.

Trent has had a great season and exceeded expectations. He's gone up against the premier pass rushers in the NFL including Ware, Freeny, Allen, Tuck, Cole. He has more then held his own and shown exceptional foot speed and the ability to move latterally. Infact if you watched the game and not the ball you would see a dramatic change of pace between Trent Williams and Stephon Heyer.
It's true that Trent could shed some weight and will beneifit from a full NFL offseason.

As for the draft. If you paid attention you would see that it is littered with project lineman that are not considered as elite as last years class. Trent was a proven player coming out of OK. So your idea of moving our blue chip tackle to guard and then burning a first round pick (#10) on another project tackle seems to be a bit foolish.
Your assessment of his game is terrible. I award you no points and may God have Mercy on your soul.

[Hitman21ST]

While I agree that Trent is not a bad LT, I too am wondering if he can be dominant at this point. As a LT most are considered "no longer a rookie" by late in the season and today was the last game of the season. I was disappointed in what I saw today. Most will say he was facing a good DE......who cares, that's his job!! I hope he gets better b/c if you are a franchise LT.....today did not look too good!!

He had 15 good to great games, and one "not so good." As a rookie against the best pass rushers the NFL has to offer, I think we'll be ok.

---------- Post added January-3rd-2011 at 09:40 AM ----------


I'm sure Williams will be a fine LT, but Suggs, Ware, and Umenyiora took his lunch money.

And as experienced players going up against a rookie, they should.

Silverback won the battles against Freeney, Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, and Clay Matthews. Nothing to see here, move along.

---------- Post added January-3rd-2011 at 09:44 AM ----------


Yes ty boston. and your probly right. But if the best pick on the board is a left tackle would you take him.

Nope. Not at all. I'd take OLB, DB, or DL before LT

[ddyork]

Shanahan says rookies kind of hit a wall after about the first 12 games. They are not used to the 20 game season, if you include exhibition games, of which Trent played in. Considering who he was up against game after game, he did quite well for a rookie.

[Botched]

Does anybody know where to find stats for sacks allowed this year? I'd like to see where Williams stacked up against other LTs this year.

[justice98]

I guess at #4 overall, you might be inclined to have the expectation that the guy would be an All-Pro out of the gate, but he did ok overall. You'd also expect that he'll get better. Considering he battled through rookie inexperience, injuries, and tough All-Pro competition at DE, he did a commendable job all things considered.

[Hitman21ST]

I guess at #4 overall, you might be inclined to have the expectation that the guy would be an All-Pro out of the gate, but he did ok overall. You'd also expect that he'll get better. Considering he battled through rookie inexperience, injuries, and tough All-Pro competition at DE, he did a commendable job all things considered.

In a year or two he'll be a top 5 LT in the league

[Chicken Fried]

He's been playing with injuries almost the entire year. Give him a break.

[jnhay]

I truly hoped he was the answer but is really slow and looks overweight and slow on his feet . A better fit for a guard. And most likely a a probowl player there. Anybody else see this. Hail Skins

He's the most athletic tackle that came out of the draft, how could he possibly be too slow? He's not fast enough mentally, but to suggest that he's not physically fit is wrong.