Washington Ex.com: Redskins Notes 1/3/11

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Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth showed up to get his physical and clean out his locker Monday. But he refused to speak with the media. End of story. End of Redskins career. Will he be traded or released? My hunch, for now, says traded. Talked to one NFL source who thought two or three teams would be interested, including wherever Jeff Fisher coaches. Haynesworth won’t yield much more than a fifth-rounder, but it beats nothing.

Corner Carlos Rogers reiterated that he would like to stick around in Washington, but that this is his chance to cash in after missing out last offseason. He’s not concerned with the potential glut of free agents, saying he’ll be one of the top corners available. Could be that a difference of opinion in terms of his worth prompts him to sign elsewhere.
But he enters free agency having shown that he can cover in the slot as well as drop to safety on occasion.
“I’m familiar with here, I like the players here,” Rogers said. “I don’t want to move. But money always plays a part in it.”

Malcolm Kelly – remember him? – did what Shanahan wanted by staying in town while he was on injured reserve. In most cases, players leave town and they aren’t sticking around for Saturday walk-throughs. Kelly did that.
“That’s hard, man, coming in for meetings every day when you know you won’t be able to play,” he said, “especially when you have the option to be back home hanging out. Once I got fully healthy that was the most frustrating part, going through all the meetings and coming up here Saturday mornings for the walk-through. It was showing him that I want to be here.”
Now he needs to show it on the field.

[Hitman21ST]

Bye Bye 92...

I hope Los can stay, he's shown flashes, as well as setting a career high in INTs this season :silly:

It's now time for the Comb to break out and prove he was worth his draft pick.

Is Rabach back next year? I sure hope not, or at most in a backup role.

Can't wait to see Carriker with more line support next year.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Even mediocre corners get paid big time in free agency. Carlos will command a huge contract.

I had forgotten that Malcolm Kelly even existed. It's interesting that he is still around.

[HTTR F Dallas]

We need Kelly to be healthy next year and be a starter... If we can put him, with his size and Armstrong, with his speed at 1 and 2... add Moss in the slot... that'd be a nice little core...

[GSF]

Kelly will finally get healthy and be a decent receiver next season. He's healthy now and has plenty of time to get stronger before camps.

[authentic]

I had forgotten that Malcolm Kelly even existed. It's interesting that he is still around.

I know, i have to remind myself that we actually have a big reciever on this team.

[TheLongshot]

We need Kelly to be healthy next year and be a starter... If we can put him, with his size and Armstrong, with his speed at 1 and 2... add Moss in the slot... that'd be a nice little core...

Reverse Moss and Armstrong and you get it right. I don't see Armstrong being anything other than a slot receiver right now. But yes, we really could use a receiver like Kelly on our roster. I've always had high hopes for him.

[HigSkin]

LOS has always been pretty much about LOS. Insiders have illuded to his regular visits to late night clubs and questioned commitment.

Some team will probably overpay for him, but it won't break my heart.

Glad to hear Kelly is on board for next season and been showing his commitment.

[HTTR F Dallas]

Reverse Moss and Armstrong and you get it right. I don't see Armstrong being anything other than a slot receiver right now. But yes, we really could use a receiver like Kelly on our roster. I've always had high hopes for him.

I disagree... I like Armstrong to stretch the field. Moss is quicker and smaller and has the durability to play the slot.

[TheLongshot]

I disagree... I like Armstrong to stretch the field. Moss is quicker and smaller and has the durability to play the slot.

Yet, Moss seems to get open more often. Armstrong seems best when he's going against 2nd tier DBs.

[MLSKINS]

I never forgot about Kelly and I am kind of glad he missed this awful season. That way he can't be blamed for the offensive woes and now he will be coming into the off-season healthy and with a team entering their second year in the offense.

I want Los to stay, would be mad if he splits.

I wish we traded Haynesworth earlier. But I will let bygones be bygones.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

-peace out 92...heres to more lawsuits and half asses efforts for you.
-I have turned a corner on LOS and would like him back given our needs everywhere, but he will want a pile of cash
-The Comb, I hope he can stay healthy and actually see the field next year. Him, WR#2 and AA in the slot.
-Rabach..anyone but him, now another shoulder surgery for him....yesterday should have been his last game as a Skin
-Dre...good luck in a 4-3 elsewhere, you will contribute
-Cariker, has potential would like to see him next year
-Gano, it appears he and Shanny are joined at the hip or Guano has some naked pics of Mike, he is not good. He claims to be able to "put the ball through from 60 yards", through what? He hooks a 31 yarder. Please if he stays (which I am against) bring in some competition.
Hail

[fdarugar]

I disagree... I like Armstrong to stretch the field. Moss is quicker and smaller and has the durability to play the slot.

Best case scenario, we sign/draft a big possession WR. Then we could have the new player, Moss in the slot, Armstrong stretching the field and Kelly being groomed to take over for Santana when the time is right.

[ABSTRACT]

Yet, Moss seems to get open more often. Armstrong seems best when he's going against 2nd tier DBs.

I hate when people say "umm...that guy goes deep, that guy is in the slot, and that guy does blah blah blah"....Moss and Armstrong can play in the slot and stretch the field. Kelly will be back and he can stretch the field or play the slot while Moss runs curl routes and Strong runs deep slants across the middle.....they all do alot.

Do you know how many damn plays K. Shanahan runs in his passing game??? lol. ALOT. They are all simply contributors to the offense and their roles in the passing game are switched up frequently. Both of the are versatile guys that run good routes and have decent speed. Hopefully we can add some more pieces to this passing game to team up with Kelly, Strong, and Moss and make this offense constantly productive.

[TheLongshot]

I hate when people say "umm...that guy goes deep, that guy is in the slot, and that guy does blah blah blah"....Moss and Armstrong can play in the slot and stretch the field. Kelly will be back and he can stretch the field or play the slot while Moss runs curl routes and Strong runs deep slants across the middle.....they all do alot.

Do you know how many damn plays K. Shanahan runs in his passing game??? lol. ALOT. They are all simply contributors to the offense and their roles in the passing game are switched up frequently. Both of the are versatile guys that run good routes and have decent speed. Hopefully we can add some more pieces to this passing game to team up with Kelly, Strong, and Moss and make this offense constantly productive.

I agree with you. I'm just commenting that I think Moss is a more complete receiver than Armstrong at this point in their careers.

[ABSTRACT]

I am really liking our 3-4 front three that is building up. We have a backup or maybe even starter in NT at Anthony Bryant. We have our Left DE in a young Adam Carriker. If we can add a right DE like Marcell Dareus or another stud in the draft smh...wow. Maybe we can also get a OLB with that 1st round pick or simply trade back and pick up a stud LB and a WR. Getting off topic lol...but I am loving the building of this front 3 as aformentioned.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

wow, i had no idea kelly stuck around this whole offseason and participated with the team. i joke about the guys knees, but hes got my respect for that.

kinda shows how worthless devin thomas really was when compared to the seemingly very committed malcomb.

[ABSTRACT]

I agree with you. I'm just commenting that I think Moss is a more complete receiver than Armstrong at this point in their careers.

Oh definitely. However, I trust Armstrong catching the ball much more than Moss but Moss simply gets open more than Strong because he is a polished route runner when he puts in full effort. I'd def take Scezur in the draft over Moss but I'm content with those two.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

btw, the lions should make a play for haynesworth. can you imagine a DL with suh and haynesworth next to each other? considering schwartz and haynesworth go back to the TN days, it could be a possibility for them.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I am really liking our 3-4 front three that is building up. We have a backup or maybe even starter in NT at Anthony Bryant. We have our Left DE in a young Adam Carriker. If we can add a right DE like Marcell Dareus or another stud in the draft smh...wow. Maybe we can also get a OLB with that 1st round pick or simply trade back and pick up a stud LB and a WR. Getting off topic lol...but I am loving the building of this front 3 as aformentioned.

Any time you can have the worst defense in team history, you have to be excited.

Hey...we may have found a backup nose tackle....let's have a parade!!!!

Anyway, I'm of the opinion that any receiver currently on an NFL roster could have a 50-catch season if they were given the chance to be a starter. (I'm also of the opinion that any 2 guard in the NBA could average 15 of game if some awful team like the Clippers decided to start him and stick with him for 82 games). As last night proved, games must be played, someone has to win, and to win, someone has to gain the yards. (This is also my highly successful fantasy strategy. It will be in more detail in my upcoming book "Someone Has To Gain The Yards.")

I'm just generally unimpressed with numbers racked up on bad teams. Albert Connell had a few superb games here too. The only receiver we have that ever does anything remotely special is Moss. He has an extra gear and a level of competitiveness that comes out once in a while. When he hits that level, he is as good as any receiver in football. His only problem seems to be that due to his size or health or whatever, he can't maintain that for more than a few games at a time.

This is just a long way of me saying that Anthony Armstrong strikes me as just a guy right now.

[TheLongshot]

I am really liking our 3-4 front three that is building up. We have a backup or maybe even starter in NT at Anthony Bryant. We have our Left DE in a young Adam Carriker. If we can add a right DE like Marcell Dareus or another stud in the draft smh...wow. Maybe we can also get a OLB with that 1st round pick or simply trade back and pick up a stud LB and a WR. Getting off topic lol...but I am loving the building of this front 3 as aformentioned.

I'll be happy about it when it actually produces sacks.


wow, i had no idea kelly stuck around this whole offseason and participated with the team. i joke about the guys knees, but hes got my respect for that.

kinda shows how worthless devin thomas really was when compared to the seemingly very committed malcomb.

The comments had nothing to do with the offseason, but for sticking around while on IR, which wasn't required of him. Well, at least it was made known to him by Shanahan that his being here has a bearing on his future on this team.

[ibarramedia]

If we can only get Vince Wilfork as a replacement for Haynesworth then we'll be ok.

[ABSTRACT]

Any time you can have the worst defense in team history, you have to be excited.

Hey...we may have found a backup nose tackle....let's have a parade!!!!

Anyway, I'm of the opinion that any receiver currently on an NFL roster could have a 50-catch season if they were given the chance to be a starter. (I'm also of the opinion that any 2 guard in the NBA could average 15 of game if some awful team like the Clippers decided to start him and stick with him for 82 games). As last night proved, games must be played, someone has to win, and to win, someone has to gain the yards. (This is also my highly successful fantasy strategy. It will be in more detail in my upcoming book "Someone Has To Gain The Yards.")

I'm just generally unimpressed with numbers racked up on bad teams. Albert Connell had a few superb games here too. The only receiver we have that ever does anything remotely special is Moss. He has an extra gear and a level of competitiveness that comes out once in a while. When he hits that level, he is as good as any receiver in football. His only problem seems to be that due to his size or health or whatever, he can't maintain that for more than a few games at a time.

This is just a long way of me saying that Anthony Armstrong strikes me as just a guy right now.

I disagree with your assessment of Strong. We found a possession receiver that can contribute to this team for the future. That catch against the Packers...I think that qualifies him more than just "a guy". That doesn't make any sense. He's playing great as a #2 receiver and will be even better as a #3 or #4 when we get Kelly back and bring more weapons in.

and yes, I am happy about us finding a backup, and possibly a starter at NT. NT is the most important position in a 3-4 defense and they are difficult to find. Why wouldn't I be happy about that?


and you saying someone has to win, someone has to gain the yards, etc......it all depends on what defense that Clippers PG went against. In sports, EVERYTHING matters. You just can't plug anyone in and say "alright, we're set". It's a physical chess game and it sounds like you are over simplifying it.

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If we can only get Vince Wilfork as a replacement for Haynesworth then we'll be ok.

lol......okay let's just go out and get Wilfork...lol....sure.

[The Full Monty]

Kelly will finally get healthy and be a decent receiver next season. He's healthy now and has plenty of time to get stronger before camps.
I want to believe, I really do, that Kelly will last a whole season. But I won't hold my breath and am taking a wait-and-see approach.

[moondog]

Reverse Moss and Armstrong and you get it right. I don't see Armstrong being anything other than a slot receiver right now. But yes, we really could use a receiver like Kelly on our roster. I've always had high hopes for him.

If Kelly can come back and be healthy and has learned while on the sidelines he could be up for a good year. I think Moss and Kelly would be a deadly combo but if you have Kelly, Moss and Armstrong on the field at the same time I think it's a no-brainer you put Moss at the slot with Kelly and Armstrong on the outside - Moss is incredible in the slot. If Kelly actually pans out and stays healthy - I think our offense could actually be dangerous next year. If you look at what our offense did in terms of yardage this year as a whole and in terms of scoring with Grossman - you combine the two and yes, I actually think next year we could see the most prolific offense we've had since 2005 (not saying we would be amazing, but much better than we have been).

I am cautiously optimistic about next year but I think if our defense improves we could be a much improved team next year.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I hate when people say "umm...that guy goes deep, that guy is in the slot, and that guy does blah blah blah"....Moss and Armstrong can play in the slot and stretch the field. Kelly will be back and he can stretch the field or play the slot while Moss runs curl routes and Strong runs deep slants across the middle.....they all do alot.
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I agree with you except for the part about Kelly stretching the field.

I'm sure he can do it on occasion but I wouldn't count on him being a consistent deep threat running 4.7s.

[moondog]

Any time you can have the worst defense in team history, you have to be excited.

Hey...we may have found a backup nose tackle....let's have a parade!!!!

Anyway, I'm of the opinion that any receiver currently on an NFL roster could have a 50-catch season if they were given the chance to be a starter. (I'm also of the opinion that any 2 guard in the NBA could average 15 of game if some awful team like the Clippers decided to start him and stick with him for 82 games). As last night proved, games must be played, someone has to win, and to win, someone has to gain the yards. (This is also my highly successful fantasy strategy. It will be in more detail in my upcoming book "Someone Has To Gain The Yards.")

I'm just generally unimpressed with numbers racked up on bad teams. Albert Connell had a few superb games here too. The only receiver we have that ever does anything remotely special is Moss. He has an extra gear and a level of competitiveness that comes out once in a while. When he hits that level, he is as good as any receiver in football. His only problem seems to be that due to his size or health or whatever, he can't maintain that for more than a few games at a time.

This is just a long way of me saying that Anthony Armstrong strikes me as just a guy right now.

I disagree about Armstrong. The guy is a deep threat through and through. He doesn't drop passes and while I don't think he's as polished as Moss he is not just another guy. Armstrong averaged just a hair under 20 YARDS PER CATCH over 44 catches this year. The ONLY two receivers in the entire NFL that averaged more than that and had more than a couple catches were Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace. Only three players in the league had more 40 yard catches - Jackson, Wallace and Brandon Lloyd. That's special. The guy had several catches where he was underthrown and showed the ability to go up over a defender and come down with the ball. He also had some very clutch catches for us. Armstrong is not ready to be a #1 or a Pro-Bowler, however, he has more than proven himself this year and is definitely an EXCELLENT #2. Keep in mind he only started 11 games and he also missed a game. He's damn good and not just another receiver and I'm glad we've got him.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

and you saying someone has to win, someone has to gain the yards, etc......it all depends on what defense that Clippers PG went against. In sports, EVERYTHING matters. You just can't plug anyone in and say "alright, we're set". It's a physical chess game and it sounds like you are over simplifying it.


I never said anything about being set. Any 2 guard could score 15 for the Clippers...and the team would lose by 25. It's the World B. Free Principle. Some players were just meant to rack up decent numbers on bad teams.

That's my problem with evaluating anything about the Skins right now. During a 12-28 stretch, someone has to make tackles, someone has to score touchdowns, someone has to occasionally cause a fumble. But does any of it mean anything?

Living in Houston the last two years, I've watched a fair number of Texans games. And this team since built to put up meaningless numbers in meaningless games. Someone is going to severely overpay for Kevin Walter in free agency one day and that team's fans are going to be ridiculously excited. And then he will catch 30 balls.

[Stophovr6]

Good riddance to haynesworth. Los can go if all he cares about is money. We don't need that mentality on this team anymore. Glad tohear that about Kelly, hope he can be a factor nect year.

[texasthunder]

I want to believe, I really do, that Kelly will last a whole season. But I won't hold my breath and am taking a wait-and-see approach.

I would hope we still get VJax from FA.

Then we have
VJax/Kelly
Moss/Armstrong
Cooley/Davis

[mithong1]

if armstrong had started all 16 games, it's very likely that we would have had 2 1000 yard receivers this year. THINK ABOUT THAT =P

[Chump Bailey]

If Kelly can stay healthy, and that's a big 'if' granted, but if so, he along with Davis, Armstrong, Moss and perhaps Banks should really allow us to move the chains with a shored up OL and Torain. This offense could be very good.

Kelly and Davis on the field together is key IMO. Both of these cats can give a defense fits trying to contain them.

[pjfootballer]

I agree with you. I'm just commenting that I think Moss is a more complete receiver than Armstrong at this point in their careers.

Well he is. However, because of his speed, Moss is more effective in the slot. I think Shanny himself said he liked Moss in the slot because of his shiftiness. Armstrong is better on the outside against the #2 CB. Moss against the Nickle CB. If we could only get a #1 WR.

[Maximus71]

Can we pay LOS the same money we gave to Hall? I dont think LOS will be back....

[#98QBKiller]

Props to Kelly for doing that. That has to have caught Shanahan's eye.

[HigSkin]

btw, the lions should make a play for haynesworth. can you imagine a DL with suh and haynesworth next to each other? considering schwartz and haynesworth go back to the TN days, it could be a possibility for them.

Schwartz had said this past year he didn't want the distraction of AH with young Suh and his new line (including veteran Vanden Bosch).

[moondog]

If Kelly can stay healthy, and that's a big 'if' granted, but if so, he along with Davis, Armstrong, Moss and perhaps Banks should really allow us to move the chains with a shored up OL and Torain. This offense could be very good.

Kelly and Davis on the field together is key IMO. Both of these cats can give a defense fits trying to contain them.

Agreed. I love Cooley, hell he's proven he's one of the greats as he's still relatively young and moving up towards elite players' records at that position. He's been exceptional since the day he walked in but it just so happens we have a more athletic tight end that has proven he can be as good if not better behind him and we have a team that needs to get younger and collect draft picks. If Cooley goes and brings in at least a third rounder I would probably be happy with it.

Davis is exceptional - he can grind out the yards like Cooley but is much more explosive with the ball and is a bigger downfield threat. You get a draft pick and playing time for a better receiving threat? I want to see Davis on the field more badly. I would LOVE to see Kelly healthy and him and Davis in there together.

[Mooka]

I have a hard time seeing LOS in Haslett's defense. I'm assuming that Haslett is partial to zone coverages. On the other hand starting both DeAngelo and Phillip would be a marshmellow soft secondary.


Personally, I'd let Carlos walk and make an aggressive move for a safety. Try and steal away Roman Harper or Eric Weddle. Kind of a stupid strategy in the NFL as you can never have enough CBs, but that's how I see it.

[redskins55]

We should've blown this team up last year! I wont be satisfied until we make a decision and stick with it! Either blow up the team or commit to your players and sign FA or draft players to compliment them. Until then, we have nothing to look forward to.

[Hitman21ST]

We should've blown this team up last year! I wont be satisfied until we make a decision and stick with it! Either blow up the team or commit to your players and sign FA or draft players to compliment them. Until then, we have nothing to look forward to.

We don't need to blow the team up. We also don't need just one or two players. We're a lot closer than the "blow up" group thinks, but we're further away than the "1 or 2 player" group thinks.

[SkinsDukes]

Oh definitely. However, I trust Armstrong catching the ball much more than Moss but Moss simply gets open more than Strong because he is a polished route runner when he puts in full effort. I'd def take Scezur in the draft over Moss but I'm content with those two.

I'd be surprised if Szczur doesn't take the half million on the table from the Cubs. His family is also pushing for him to play baseball instead. He is an intriguing prospect, but I think he'll be playing pro in a different sport.

[Bat~man]

BYe Fat Al, who cares about Kelly, hasn't done jack on the field and can't stay healthy on top of that. Dude gets hurt so much and he isn't even playing... no thanks.

Los, I'm neutral on.. I don't like his "all about money" attitude.. I know it's a major thing, but at least try to act like you care about other things as well. I say we end up letting him walk because he will want too much money.

[Hitman21ST]

BYe Fat Al, who cares about Kelly, hasn't done jack on the field and can't stay healthy on top of that. Dude gets hurt so much and he isn't even playing... no thanks.

Los, I'm neutral on.. I don't like his "all about money" attitude.. I know it's a major thing, but at least try to act like you care about other things as well. I say we end up letting him walk because he will want too much money.

Kelly will have a big year next year. 800-1000 yards and 8 TDs. He's got that feel about him.

[Bat~man]

We should've blown this team up last year! I wont be satisfied until we make a decision and stick with it! Either blow up the team or commit to your players and sign FA or draft players to compliment them. Until then, we have nothing to look forward to.

What exactly do you want to blow up? We don't have a lot of players that are gonna command good enough picks to give them up... and if we DO trade them off for picks, we have to replace them with picks or HOPE we hit a gem.

We are in fact "blown up" , we just don't have anything to show for it.

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Kelly will have a big year next year. 800-1000 yards and 8 TDs. He's got that feel about him.

lol, bold statement. I like it but I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope the dude stays healthy and can actually contribute something.

[Hitman21ST]

What exactly do you want to blow up? We don't have a lot of players that are gonna command good enough picks to give them up... and if we DO trade them off for picks, we have to replace them with picks or HOPE we hit a gem.

We are in fact "blown up" , we just don't have anything to show for it.

---------- Post added January-4th-2011 at 04:14 AM ----------



lol, bold statement. I like it but I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope the dude stays healthy and can actually contribute something.

Shanny likes what he sees in him anyway, and I DEFINITELY trust Shanny on evaluating offensive talent.

[Darth Tater]

Between 2009 and 2010, we had about a 45% turnover while the average turnover in the NFL is between 15% and 16%. Our turnover included a total change of the whole QB depth chart. In the final games this year, over half the starters were not on the team last year. Finally, we changed the coaching staff and the front office. That was "blowing it up" by any NFL standard. Given the resources we have, I expect we'll see no greater than a 20% turnover mostly due to attrition.

[Thinking Skins]

Reverse Moss and Armstrong and you get it right. I don't see Armstrong being anything other than a slot receiver right now. But yes, we really could use a receiver like Kelly on our roster. I've always had high hopes for him.

I'm so over Kelly. Eff size right now. I just want guys who come to work every day and can run their routes and can bail out my QB. If thats Armstrong, Moss and Austin, then so be it. If thats some other UDFAs, then thats great too. If thats Kelly, then I'm cool. I'm just not expecting anything from him from this point forward because he's been injured 2 of his 3 years here. He shouldn't be "given" a roster spot next year. If he earns it, then cool, but if not, he should be gone. Look at what Armstrong did in his first year vs what Kelly did last year (when healthy). I know its about opportunities and all, but IMO I'd rather build around Armstrong than keep hoping that Kelly will amount to something.

[GoDeep81]

LOS has always been pretty much about LOS. Some team will probably overpay for him, but it won't break my heart.

Same here! As long as were rebuilding, I'd just as soon find a decent corner who can actually catch, as well as cover..

[The Full Monty]

I'm so over Kelly. Eff size right now. I just want guys who come to work every day and can run their routes and can bail out my QB. If thats Armstrong, Moss and Austin, then so be it. If thats some other UDFAs, then thats great too. If thats Kelly, then I'm cool. I'm just not expecting anything from him from this point forward because he's been injured 2 of his 3 years here. He shouldn't be "given" a roster spot next year. If he earns it, then cool, but if not, he should be gone. Look at what Armstrong did in his first year vs what Kelly did last year (when healthy). I know its about opportunities and all, but IMO I'd rather build around Armstrong than keep hoping that Kelly will amount to something.
I agree 100-%. I actually predicted a 6 TD season from Kelly way back in the offseason. Boy do I feel dumb.

[tex]

Malcolm Kelly – remember him? – did what Shanahan wanted by staying in town while he was on injured reserve. In most cases, players leave town and they aren’t sticking around for Saturday walk-throughs. Kelly did that.
Impressive. Well done Malcolm.

[thomasroane]

What's really encouraging is how Shannahan and Allen improved this team with just a hand full of picks and a lot of Free Agents; from a limited pool no less. Granted, there's still a lot of work to be done. But the FA market looks good and I think system is pretty much in place so scouts will know what skill sets they need to look for and of course work ethic will play a big part in who they bring in. Oh and let's not forget how shrewd they were in getting Carriker for the price of swapping positions in the 5th round!! That was freakin classic!

I'm not worried about AH or number 5 causing problems as the Redskins try to recoup some of their investments. Shanny has shown he won't hesitate to hit them where it hurts. In the pocket! And that will have them both toeing the line.

[chasefan31]

As much as I hope he becomes our best receiver next year, I have a hard time believing Kelly will make it through training camp and preseason without some sort of knee injury. His entire history, including before the Skins picked him has been a constant battle against his failing body. I hate to see it with the talent he showed in college at times, but some people are just more fragile.

[darrell1106]

LOS has always been pretty much about LOS. Insiders have illuded to his regular visits to late night clubs and questioned commitment.

Some team will probably overpay for him, but it won't break my heart.

Glad to hear Kelly is on board for next season and been showing his commitment.
Agree. Los is not a top priority IMO. Actually, none of the unrestricted free agents seem to be "must have" IMO.[COLOR="Gold"]

[Mad Mike]

Yet, Moss seems to get open more often. Armstrong seems best when he's going against 2nd tier DBs.

You just contradicted yourself. Moss has been getting open in part because he is getting matched up with the other teams third (2nd tier) DB in the slot.

The thing about Moss is that for all of his talent, he starts out with the liability of his size. In the slot he can get off the line without as much contact and use his quickness to greater advantage. That's really where he belongs at this point, as our third WR. We need to either draft or pick up a good, at least reasonably big WR in free agency. Kelly still has potential to be a big help and even take a lead roll but I don't think you can count on him without a backup plan.

We really need one more talented WR. Let them duke it out in camp for their positions.