Is it just me...or could this be a slight over-reaction to Luck staying at Stanford and it's affect on the Redskins?

[urblessed00]

Maybe I'm just delusional, but now the thoughts that there will be less quarterbacks trickling down to the Redskins....doesn't seem logical to me. Unless One of them is going to be taken first in the draft now, doesn't this still play out the same way? I know the combine, and individual workouts haven't taken place yet, but I just don't see any of the other qb's not named Luck ascending all the way into the top two or three of this draft to affect Washington. Maybe I'm wrong though.?.?.?

[ConnSKINS26]

If anything, it might raise McNabb's value. But yes, I highly doubt that the Panthers choose another QB at that #1 spot, or are able to trade out of it now.

[Truant]

I don't think it impacts us if we want a QB with that first pick. Actually, it might help. Luck was going to create a frenzy and the teams that lost out on him might have pulled the trigger on the Locker types so they don't go home empty handed.

But instead of getting the 10th best player in the draft we're set to get the 11th best player with Luck staying in school. So I guess that impacts every team.

I can see teams trading out of the first round entirely this year to stockpile for picks next year to make a play on Luck. Without him suddenly the shine on this QB class has dulled quite a bit.

[Missin Meast]

Without Luck, NO Quarterbacks in this draft are worth a top 10 pick.... it really shouldnt have any affect on us.... we need to TRADE BACK!!!

[djnominal]

the only way it affects the redskins and us picking a quarterback is if the panthers pick a qb with there #1 pick. I highly doubt they do that now so it doesnt affect us because luck would have been gone anyway

[GibbsFactor]

Reduces the number of quarterbacks in the draft, changes Carolina's plans which thus changes Denvers and so on and so on. That person you wanted to slip might not slip now.

Locker is now the #2 QB, not the #3. Etc...

[KDawg]

Reduces the number of quarterbacks in the draft, changes Carolina's plans which thus changes Denvers and so on and so on. That person you wanted to slip might not slip now.

Locker is now the #2 QB, not the #3. Etc...

Gabbert will likely be the consensus number two.

[AKM311]

It impacts us because now, someone will reach on a QB early. Top 5 early and we won't be left to get him (which is a good thing) at 10.

[GibbsFactor]

Gabbert will likely be the consensus number two.

Right. Gabbert then Locker. It was Luck, Gabbert, Locker...

[Dukes and Skins]

Doesn't affect us too much now IMO because the same teams will still have the same needs as of right now before the FA period starts. What I'm getting at here is that now I think Carolina takes either AJ Green or Patrick Peterson #1 and then it doesn't affect how the QB situation plays out. Still puts us in a great chance to get Gabbert

[GibbsFactor]

Doesn't affect us too much now IMO because the same teams will still have the same needs as of right now before the FA period starts. What I'm getting at here is that now I think Carolina takes either AJ Green or Patrick Peterson #1 and then it doesn't affect how the QB situation plays out. Still puts us in a great chance to get Gabbert

Look at it this way:

Carolina - Bowers
Denver - ??? - Let Champ walk and grab Peterson? Fairly?
Bills - Gabbert - Needs a QB
Bengals - AJ Green?
Cardinals - Needs a QB
Browns
49ers - Needs a QB
Titans - Needs a QB
Cowboys
Redskins

So if Gabbert, Locker or Newton fall, they must not be "it".

[Dukes and Skins]

Look at it this way:

Carolina - Bowers
Denver - ??? - Let Champ walk and grab Peterson? Fairly?
Bills - Gabbert - Needs a QB
Bengals - AJ Green?
Cardinals - Needs a QB
Browns
49ers - Needs a QB
Titans - Needs a QB
Cowboys
Redskins

So if Gabbert, Locker or Newton fall, they must not be "it".

Gailey is going to ride it out with Fitzpatrick I think after his good year up there and see what he has in him. Cardinals are the real wild card because some have talked about Wisenhunt talking about liking Skelton and Hall as QB's and their potential. 49ers are another wild card but they are someone who it wouldn't surprise me if they took Newton there. I see Mallett going to Tennessee if we don't trade McNabb there.

Just a few things I've been looking at

[GibbsFactor]

Gailey is going to ride it out with Fitzpatrick I think after his good year up there and see what he has in him. Cardinals are the real wild card because some have talked about Wisenhunt talking about liking Skelton and Hall as QB's and their potential. 49ers are another wild card but they are someone who it wouldn't surprise me if they took Newton there. I see Mallett going to Tennessee if we don't trade McNabb there.

Just a few things I've been looking at

Yes, those are possible scenarios. The only way we get Gabbert is if we are the first team picking a QB.

[frommd]

Doesn't affect us too much now IMO because the same teams will still have the same needs as of right now before the FA period starts. What I'm getting at here is that now I think Carolina takes either AJ Green or Patrick Peterson #1 and then it doesn't affect how the QB situation plays out. Still puts us in a great chance to get GabbertYou really think Gabbert falls that far? Everything I've seen recently has him going top five. Granted there is a long time until the draft

[Dukes and Skins]

Yes, those are possible scenarios. The only way we get Gabbert is if we are the first team picking a QB.

True and we don't know what will happen with the teams in front of us I have a good feeling of Gailey working with Fitzpatrick again another year and trying to rebuild up that D. LIke I said the Cardinals and 49ers are the wildcards because they could be in the market for a QB but also could be looking to go other routes. I almost wonder if SF will go Robert Quinn in RD1 and then a guy like Pat Devlin in Round 2

---------- Post added January-6th-2011 at 04:45 PM ----------


You really think Gabbert falls that far? Everything I've seen recently has him going top five. Granted there is a long time until the draft

I don't think he's a top 5 pick but I certainly think he's a top 10 guy I think people will take Newton because of the hype a lot earlier than he should be taken. Mallett will go to a vertical offense type team but who knows what'll happen with him

[GibbsFactor]

True and we don't know what will happen with the teams in front of us I have a good feeling of Gailey working with Fitzpatrick again another year and trying to rebuild up that D. LIke I said the Cardinals and 49ers are the wildcards because they could be in the market for a QB but also could be looking to go other routes. I almost wonder if SF will go Robert Quinn in RD1 and then a guy like Pat Devlin in Round 2

I'm hearing things like "Devlin is the most polished QB in College"... The way he looks off the DBs among other things.

I wouldn't be opposed to taking a shot on a Devlin/Ponder if we could get a real stud in the first. I just hate that because we really need guard/center help plus a nt.

How about Pea in the first, Devlin/Ponder in the second?

Or we could just lose out this year, trade our picks this year for futures next year and land the #1 and get a true QB. I have a feeling we are "settling" with Luck and Barkley waiting in 2012.

[Dukes and Skins]

I'm hearing things like "Devlin is the most polished QB in College"... The way he looks off the DBs among other things.

I wouldn't be opposed to taking a shot on a Devlin/Ponder if we could get a real stud in the first. I just hate that because we really need guard/center help plus a nt.

How about Pea in the first, Devlin/Ponder in the second?

Or we could just lose out this year, trade our picks this year for futures next year and land the #1 and get a true QB. I have a feeling we are "settling" with Luck and Barkley waiting in 2012.

Personally I'd rather take my chance on Gabbert because of the perfect fit that he is for this offense. I'd rather have a draft of Gabbert/Tate in the 1st 2 rounds provided we trade McNabb and Haynesworth for picks.

[Dirt]

I dunno, I think Redskins fans, for some reason, feel like they just deserve every player. Like they have a right to every FA and every consensus #1 pick, and some are even willing to lose games to get it. They forget there's 31 other teams in the league. It's loser thinking, plain and simple.

The idea of Shanny and his crew evaluating a guy, and getting the right guy, no matter what ESPN says about him, just doesn't compute in some people's heads around here.

[Rodriggo]

The chances Rex Grossman starts every game next year just went up 1000% percent and I hear Haslett is finally going to get to implement the 2-3.

Any point watching next year?

[HRNY4ZRNY]

How about now not getting a QB...

Lets build up the team around Grossman for the next year. Be patient and trade up and get Luck next year.

I would love this,

[jflow78]

I think it only affected people who thought the Skins were actually going to be able to get Luck, which wasn't going to happen.

There's actually a higher chance of us getting the QB we want now, than there was before. As others have said, the Panthers don't pick QB #1 now, the Bills will stick with Fitzpatrick who played well this year, and Arizona, IMO, is a prime candidate for trading for McNabb (no, of course not for their 1st rounder), next up is the Browns who could very well trade with us for the first QB in the draft.

Since we're not going to mortgage our future by trading up to #5, like we would have had to to trade up to #1, I'm actually not against this, if there's a QB Shanahan really wants then do it. On the other hand, this might make it even better for us to stay where we're at and get the QB the HC wants, or even trade back and get more picks.

I'm actually happy Luck is staying in school because now all the talk is going to surround the top DL, instead of the top QBs. This is a good situation for the Skins.

[Bubble Screen]

Gabbert will likely be the consensus number two.

That's what I heard on the radio coming home tonight.

[icbmayday]

I dont think it affects us at all

[Veretax]

Look at it this way:

Carolina - Bowers
Denver - ??? - Let Champ walk and grab Peterson? Fairly?
Bills - Gabbert - Needs a QB
Bengals - AJ Green?
Cardinals - Needs a QB
Browns
49ers - Needs a QB
Titans - Needs a QB
Cowboys
Redskins

So if Gabbert, Locker or Newton fall, they must not be "it".

Some others have said it, but I think the Bills might just go WR or DL with this pick. Or even RB, THey traded Lynch away, their WRs have not been all that impressive the last year, and Fitz proved he can be serviceable if given time.

Bengals? I definitely don't see them in a QB mood, a WR though? The last WR I remember them drafting high was Chris Henry though I could be wrong on that.
Cardinals can't stop anyone on D.
Browns got McCoy
49ers are e legit threat to take a QB, as potentially are the titans, though depending upon whom gets the jobs there are trades to be
Dallas: No idea what they take.

that's it.

[KDawg]

That's what I heard on the radio coming home tonight.

He's the most pro ready quarterback in the draft at this point. That doesn't mean he'll turn out to be the best quarterback, though I think he has all the intangibles. His accuracy on the move is a bit sluggish, but he's got pretty much everything you could ask for a quarterback otherwise.

---------- Post added January-7th-2011 at 07:48 AM ----------


Some others have said it, but I think the Bills might just go WR or DL with this pick. Or even RB, THey traded Lynch away, their WRs have not been all that impressive the last year, and Fitz proved he can be serviceable if given time.

Bengals? I definitely don't see them in a QB mood, a WR though? The last WR I remember them drafting high was Chris Henry though I could be wrong on that.
Cardinals can't stop anyone on D.
Browns got McCoy
49ers are e legit threat to take a QB, as potentially are the titans, though depending upon whom gets the jobs there are trades to be
Dallas: No idea what they take.

that's it.

If the Bills go runningback I could see depression rates soaring in Buffalo. They already went runningback last year with CJ Spiller. He hasn't worked out, but they still have Fred Jackson who had a decent season and is a pretty good back. There is no chance they draft runningback, and if they do I will be applying for the position of GM for the Bills because apparently any schmoe could do the job. Buddy Nix is smarter than that. I could see them going DL, but I think Bowers or Heyward are the only two picks that make sense for them on the DL side. There is no bonafide NT prospect at that point, Fairley projects to be more of a 4-3 3-tech.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them go defensive end, quarterback or wide receiver. Receiver wise I could see them grabbing Jones, Green or Floyd if they declare.

I also think someone is going to trade back and try to get Southern Miss receiver DeAndre Brown. He's a huge target and he's 240 pounds. He's got all the intangibles. He was injured for a good portion of the season but he came back and had a decent year despite being hurt. Brown is a guy I'd like to see the Redskins target if we trade back.

[Mr. Cooke]

I think it only affected people who thought the Skins were actually going to be able to get Luck, which wasn't going to happen.

There's actually a higher chance of us getting the QB we want now, than there was before. As others have said, the Panthers don't pick QB #1 now, the Bills will stick with Fitzpatrick who played well this year, and Arizona, IMO, is a prime candidate for trading for McNabb (no, of course not for their 1st rounder), next up is the Browns who could very well trade with us for the first QB in the draft.

Since we're not going to mortgage our future by trading up to #5, like we would have had to to trade up to #1, I'm actually not against this, if there's a QB Shanahan really wants then do it. On the other hand, this might make it even better for us to stay where we're at and get the QB the HC wants, or even trade back and get more picks.

I'm actually happy Luck is staying in school because now all the talk is going to surround the top DL, instead of the top QBs. This is a good situation for the Skins.

A well-reasoned, rational thought. Thanks.

[washedup2]

I'll add to the over-reaction of how good Luck is, yes he has all tools and everyone agrees he's good but he is still unproven. Maybe i wasnt paying attention last year but I dont remember anybody talking about Luck last year..so odds are, there will be another QB or 2 that will come out of nowhere and have an incrediable year and everyone will jump on that guy

[KDawg]

I'll add to the over-reaction of how good Luck is, yes he has all tools and everyone agrees he's good but he is still unproven. Maybe i wasnt paying attention last year but I dont remember anybody talking about Luck last year..so odds are, there will be another QB or 2 that will come out of nowhere and have an incrediable year and everyone will jump on that guy



People were talking about Luck plenty last year. He was a redshirt freshman last year, though. They usually don't get a ton of hype, especially when they're not flashy. But yes, he was talked about.

[Spitfire71]

There are question marks about every quarterback other than Luck that had a shot to go in the first round.

Ryan Mallett, simply put, is a very big man with a howitzer attached to his right shoulder. But I've heard murmurs about his accuracy and touch. The last quarterback that measured about 6'7" with a howitzer attached to his shoulder and murmurs about accuracy and touch to be drafted out of an SEC school? His name was Jamarcus Russell. While it would be difficult for Mallett to flame out that spectacularly - especially if he went to Carolina, where he would be at the very least protected in the early goings by a solid running game - you see a lot of quarterbacks with plus-plus arms fail in the league because they can't hit the broad side of a barn or put air under the football when necessary. Carolina may be safer going with A.J. Green - Steve Smith is 33 and there doesn't appear to be a clear replacement on the roster yet. Rumor is, though, that Whisenhunt and the Cardinals are licking their chops...

The knock on Gabbert is a very unfortunate Byron Leftwich comparison - i.e. slooooooooowwww release and not very mobile. Not to mention he played in a spread at Missouri, and guys that come from Spread systems tend to be really hit-or-miss in the NFL, with way more Graham Harrells than Joe Flaccos. Also, it's said that he's out of shape, and that's never a good thing to hear about any player because it raises questions about said player's work ethic - much less a guy that's supposed to be the on-field leader of your franchise.

Jake Locker has a good arm and is rumored to run somewhere in the 4.5 neighborhood. But, similarly to Jimmy Clausen, for some strange reason his team just didn't win a lot with him on the field, despite his numbers, and that has cost him in terms of his draft stock, at least in the eyes of some scouts.

Newton, obviously, is a physical specimen. Big as hell (6'6", ~250) with a live arm to match, played against top-level competition and looked dominant at times, not to mention a natural charisma on his campus and in his locker room that might be comparable to Tim Tebow's days at Florida. However, like Tebow, Newton has a LOT to learn about the subtleties of playing QB at the NFL level. He's the guy I worry most about on this list in terms of flaming out due to no fault of his own. But he's also the guy that could benefit the most from a rookie pay scale. With less pay for rookies will come less pressure for them to have everything click right away. While that happens for the occasional QB (see: Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan), most guys need a year to develop from the bench - or at least to watch someone else other than them get hit while their team puts an offensive line together. Newton's physical talent and upside are tremendous, but I doubt that he either will or should see the field right away. Someone will nab him, though - maybe Buffalo, who has a lot of spread philosophies in their offense already - or Cincinnati, where Carson Palmer has a year left on his contract and probably won't be on the team in 2012.

There's also a possibility that Terrelle Pryor could come out this season, given that he'd have to serve a 5-game suspension if he went back to Ohio State for his senior year. He's an intriguing prospect that's also got dual-threat capabilities and is comparable to Vince Young, but is probably a much more polished passer than Vince was at that point in his career. I watched his Sugar Bowl performance this past week - his deep ball is a beautiful sight to behold. He has a pro-style arm, but wasn't asked to make reads like a pro-style QB. Again, though, most confident coaches feel that they can coach these raw players, and if Pryor came out, he'd get quite a few looks as a 1-to-2-year project.

The real gems in this draft, IMO, are going to be Pat Devlin from Delaware and Christian Ponder from FSU. Ponder, especially - he was a pretty highly-rated prospect going into last year, but has been lost in the shuffle behind guys that are perhaps more athletically talented or played for better teams. Scouts like his accuracy.

[Dukes and Skins]

There are question marks about every quarterback other than Luck that had a shot to go in the first round.



The knock on Gabbert is a very unfortunate Byron Leftwich comparison - i.e. slooooooooowwww release and not very mobile. Not to mention he played in a spread at Missouri, and guys that come from Spread systems tend to be really hit-or-miss in the NFL, with way more Graham Harrells than Joe Flaccos. Also, it's said that he's out of shape, and that's never a good thing to hear about any player because it raises questions about said player's work ethic - much less a guy that's supposed to be the on-field leader of your franchise.


Okay I have a few gripes with this statement because A who ever is comparing his throwing motion to Leftwich is horribly wrong, if anything Gabbert has the best throwing motion in the draft because its compact and accurate and doesn't change when on the run or in the pocket. Also this whole out of shape thing has been mentioned on one site and that's Walterfootball but I have yet to see anything from any other credible sites so I take it with a grain of salt. Also the spread offense argument is a weak one to make because it all depends on who is coming out of what spread, obviously Texas Tech QB's were bad fits in the NFL but Roethlisberger,Bradford were both examples of spread offense QB's that succeeded and that's due to their own physical talents with Roethisberger being the big athletic playmaker and Bradford being the cerebral accurate leader.

What I'm getting at here is that if anything Gabbert is a Freeman type QB if anything because of the size and strength they both possess and while Freeman was a little more polished coming out they really aren't that far off

[Spitfire71]

Okay I have a few gripes with this statement because A who ever is comparing his throwing motion to Leftwich is horribly wrong, if anything Gabbert has the best throwing motion in the draft because its compact and accurate and doesn't change when on the run or in the pocket. Also this whole out of shape thing has been mentioned on one site and that's Walterfootball but I have yet to see anything from any other credible sites so I take it with a grain of salt. Also the spread offense argument is a weak one to make because it all depends on who is coming out of what spread, obviously Texas Tech QB's were bad fits in the NFL but Roethlisberger,Bradford were both examples of spread offense QB's that succeeded and that's due to their own physical talents with Roethisberger being the big athletic playmaker and Bradford being the cerebral accurate leader.

What I'm getting at here is that if anything Gabbert is a Freeman type QB if anything because of the size and strength they both possess and while Freeman was a little more polished coming out they really aren't that far off

Fair enough. :-) I've heard the Freeman comparison and I confess not to know as much about Gabbert as I do about the other quarterbacks - I just started hearing about him recently. And I never said that spread quarterbacks don't succeed in the NFL; I myself hate that argument. I just say that they're hit-or-miss because some can adapt to the pro-style game while some can't. Even the ones that doesn't have the physical limitations of your normal spread-type QB. Granted, if Gabbert's every bit as good as you say he is, then he, too, will probably be gone by pick 10. Personally, I would prefer to trade down and get a couple of 3-4 pieces and/or a receiver and/or an interior offensive lineman. The overall point I was trying to make is that none of the QB prospects on the board are quite as attractive-looking as Luck. And given Freeman's performance this year, your assessment of Gabbert seems to be very high praise. However, unless he could put up 40 points a game, we still have the 31st-ranked defense with a lot of square pegs trying to fit into round holes. The Texans have a nasty offensive attack powered by the best wide receiver in football. But they can't get over the 8-8 hump because their defense is an abomination.

[Dukes and Skins]

I think though your going to see Gabbert make it to #10 and yes the 3-4 D is not great because we're #31 but you have to also think we're going to address it through FA and the draft and while trading back is nice you also need to get the franchise QB when it's there and Gabbert personally is that guy.

A 1st 2 rounds of

1. Gabbert
2. Kenny Tate

That's a big help to our team because Tate becomes the FS we need as he's a ballhawk safety who's not afraid to make the hit or tackle, he's still raw but with the D we run he makes a lot of sense. IF we add in FA LaMarr Woodley, Paul Soliai, Davin Joseph and Ryan Harris that allows us a lot of flexibility moving into the draft because you have to think we'll move Al and McNabb for picks and explore Cooley for a pick as well

[Spitfire71]

Cooley's got 5 years left on his contract, if I remember correctly. He'd probably be the last resort option, as there'd be no point to trading him if we maneuvered our way into having the full complement of 7 draft picks. I think Davis is more likely to go because he's an extra piece that we don't need - not to mention he's a turnstile and disappears at times. We'd have to get a really good deal for Cooley, and trade demand on TEs really isn't all that high. There's no way we come out on the better end of that deal. He's a former Pro Bowler that's done nothing but produce in his 6 seasons with the team. Even in this, what many consider to be a down year, he went over 70 catches, over 800 yards receiving, and moved the chains for us more times than I can count. He's worth at least a third-rounder, probably a third and a fourth if not one second-rounder, but no one's going to give that up for a tight end. Haynesworth I definitely think we could pull, as much as he's made an ass of himself at times. 4-3 teams that want interior pass rush will probably come calling. I see us getting a 4th, at least, especially seeing as his contract was front-loaded and we're the ones that ate most of the money. McNabb's a little bit trickier. A 35-year-old, injury-prone QB that played in one system his entire career and didn't do well when called on to execute a second. Plus, there's that funky contract 'extension'. We might be forced to cut him outright.

Any other year, I would put more eggs in the FA basket. But the CBA thing might screw that up to where there's no FA until AFTER the draft, so I'm not sure you can draft this year based on what does or doesn't happen in free agency. Plus, you'd have to look at the likelihood of some of those guys actually leaving their teams. What reason do the Steelers have not to bring LaMarr Woodley back, especially when they don't have someone that could step up in his place? That would just create another need for them to fill. And you also have to look at it from the players' standpoint. LaMarr Woodley - leave one of the league's perennial playoff contenders and a team you won a ring with for a franchise that hasn't really had sustained success in about 20 years? And then Davin Joseph - the Bucs are THIS close to making the playoffs, and as good as he is, I'm sure they wouldn't stiff him on a new contract.

Soliai, I think, would be a very good pickup. Ryan Harris (I'm going to assume you meant the RT from Denver and not Kalil, the Center everyone's talking about from Carolina)...eh. I don't think that there was much wrong with Jamaal Brown when he was healthy. We probably never saw the best Brown had to offer because he was just a year removed from a serious, season-ending injury. On top of that, I don't think that the Broncos are going to want to go digging into this relatively shallow OT class to go searching for a new RT, and I'll tell you why. If they're planning on giving Tim Tebow a shot (and by the sounds of what Elway is saying, they definitely are), Tebow's a left-handed quarterback, which means that Ryan Harris is now the blindside tackle if he stays on the right side of the formation.

Do I think we will need to find a long-term solution at QB? Sure, I do. But I don't think the atmosphere of the franchise, with its questionable line and up-and-down running game, is conducive to developing a QB. Like I mentioned before, most QBs that don't come from Pro-style systems in college can be good in the NFL provided they're not undersized with weak arms, and Gabbert is clearly neither, but they usually need a year or two of seasoning. One of the hardest things those quarterbacks deal with is reading complex blitz schemes from under center, which is why it's perhaps more essential to have a good supporting cast solidified around those guys than any other quarterback. Gabbert may be good - I don't know - but I actually think we should trade down, grab a couple of impact guys for our defense (maybe including Tate), and there will still be relatively good pickings for QBs later on. The majority of teams are set at QB. The only ones I could see making first-round moves at the position for sure would be Arizona, San Francisco, and Tennessee. I think the Vikings are more apt to trade for a young veteran (25-28). Rumor is they're looking at Josh McDaniels as an offensive coordinator, and if they pull the trigger on that move, it's all but a lock that the Vikings would trade for Kyle Orton, a 28-year-old quarterback that knows McDaniels' system and can execute it very well (was on pace for 4,000+ yards), rather than try to develop another QB from scratch with the core of their offensive unit reaching their physical peak. Maybe I'm a little bit jaded because of recent history. I've just noticed that when we spend our first pick on a defensive player (DB/LB), it usually goes well, whereas when we spend it on an offensive player (Trent Williams and Chris Samuels being the obvious exceptions) it doesn't.