PFT: Fans sue NFL, Cowboys, Jerry Jones over Super Bowl ticket fiasco

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Article: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/09/fans-sue-nfl-cowboys-jerry-jones-over-super-bowl-ticket-fiasco/

"The first lawsuit over the Super Bowl XLV ticket fiasco has been filed.

The suit, filed in federal court in Dallas, accuses the NFL, the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones of breach of contract, fraud and deceptive sales practices.

As we noted this morning, lawsuits are coming both on behalf of the 400 fans who were forced to watch the game on TVs in the bowels of the stadium because their temporary seats weren’t available and on behalf of Cowboys season ticket-holders who were given folding chairs with obstructed views, rather than the regular seats they were expecting.

None of the parties has commented on the lawsuit, although the NFL says it’s trying to make things up to the fans by offering triple their money back and a ticket to next year’s Super Bowl, or an all-expenses-paid trip to any future Super Bowl.

The ticket debacle started when the local fire marshal did not approve temporary seating at Cowboys Stadium. Although the league knew there were problems associated with the temporary seating during the week before the Super Bowl, the affected fans didn’t find out until they showed up on Super Bowl Sunday."



....good for them.

[Phixius]

They should sue. Doesn't matter what the NFL does to make up to the fans, those people made sacrifices to get to the Superbowl and they are were deny entry because the seats weren't ready. The stadium hasn't been used since January 13. The NFL and the Cowboys had plenty of time to get those seats ready.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

They should sue. Doesn't matter what the NFL does to make up to the fans, those people made sacrifices to get to the Superbowl and they are were deny entry because the seats weren't ready. The stadium hasn't been used since January 13. The NFL and the Cowboys had plenty of time to get those seats ready.

I hope they win big.

I can't even imagine how pissed I'd be, and what I'd resort to if this happened to me. Imagine if the Skins made it and any of us were screwed like this. After all of the frustration, you get to see something that may never happen again. I'd lose my mind. I was livid when I heard about this on Sunday.

[Hitman21ST]

...and cue Tex calling everyone greedy for suing over the NFL's breach of contract.

[Texasaurus]

Because bottom line it is being greedy..Look the NFL has done enough apologizing over this and is willing to send folks to any
super bowl they want in the future and even willing to pay for it, plus tripling the compensation..but that is not good enough, so
clearly they are being greedy and risk coming away with nothing with the suit

[adam@section118]

They DO NOT get the tripple refund if they take the other option.



Then on Tuesday, the NFL announced the fans could choose instead to receive a ticket to any future Super Bowl, including next year's, along with round-trip airfare and hotel accommodations. If fans choose that option, they will not get the $2,400.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6103034

[BeachSkin]

I see both sides of it. I can see the fans being upset, but the NFL didn't act maliciously.

We'll never see the whole thing, but I'd be interested to see how this would all play out in a courtroom. Will buying scalped tickets work against the plaintiffs? How much compensation is due for what amounts to inconvenience and disappointment?

[Hitman21ST]

Because bottom line it is being greedy..Look the NFL has done enough apologizing over this and is willing to send folks to any
super bowl they want in the future and even willing to pay for it, plus tripling the compensation..but that is not good enough, so
clearly they are being greedy and risk coming away with nothing with the suit


They DO NOT get the tripple refund if they take the other option.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6103034

You might want to do a little research before coming in here all high and mighty next time, Tex.

[Texasaurus]

None of the parties has commented on the lawsuit, although the NFL says it’s trying to make things up to the fans by offering triple their money back and a ticket to next year’s Super Bowl, or an all-expenses-paid trip to any future Super Bowl.

I was talking about the money which they were willing to triple back

[adam@section118]

HUH?

Like the link above said (and like the NFL said on the news this AM) the fans have the option of one or the other........tripple back and a ticket to next year, or a ticket to a future SB, airfare and a hotel room being covered

[Texasaurus]

The way it sounds to me is they are willing to triple the money back and give them tickets to any super bowl in the future

[adam@section118]

Incorrect.

OPTION A triple their money back and a ticket to next year’s Super Bowl, OR (option B) an all-expenses-paid trip to any future Super Bowl.

[Texasaurus]

either way it is one hell of a compensation tough choice money back "tripled" or tickets to future super bowl all expenses payed???

[adam@section118]

Right, and option B was not offered yesterday, so it really is a tough choice since you do not know if they may sweeten the pot done the road.

*Cue Tex coming in and calling people greedy for waiting for waiting to explore all options in 3 2 and *

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Because bottom line it is being greedy..Look the NFL has done enough apologizing over this and is willing to send folks to any
super bowl they want in the future and even willing to pay for it, plus tripling the compensation..but that is not good enough, so
clearly they are being greedy and risk coming away with nothing with the suit

It's being greedy?

What they lost was priceless.

[Hitman21ST]

either way it is one hell of a compensation tough choice money back "tripled" or tickets to future super bowl all expenses payed???

Funny how yesterday you were calling us greedy for suggesting that (or the fans greedy for wanting it).

[Texasaurus]

Their greed is taking them to court and looking to get quadrupedal compensation I am all for the league offering them this deal

[Hitman21ST]

Their greed is taking them to court and looking to get quadrupedal compensation I am all for the league offering them this deal

You weren't yesterday. You said they should take the deal ($2400 and next year's Super Bowl), sit down, and shut up. You actually scoffed at us for suggesting stuff like this.

[addicted]

I hope they win big.

I really don't.

For once I'm going to side on the Cowboys with this one. If these lawsuits pay off bigtime then there goes any chance of ever seeing another superbowl in this town again. I'd love it one day to see the Redskins playing in that stadium for a championship. How sweet would that be?

And so no one thinks I'm turning colors here **** the Cowboys lol

---------- Post added February-9th-2011 at 01:31 PM ----------


It's being greedy?

What they lost was priceless.

Not if they were Steeler fans hahahaha

[adam@section118]

I really don't.

For once I'm going to side on the Cowboys with this one. If these lawsuits pay off bigtime then there goes any chance of ever seeing another superbowl in this town again. I'd love it one day to see the Redskins playing in that stadium for a championship. How sweet would that be?

And so no one thinks I'm turning colors here **** the Cowboys lol

I agree,

I do not want the NFL to get killed on any silly lawsuit, but the fans have a right to vent.

Also, the NFL already sweetened the pot once, so I really do not think a lawsuit will do anything.

Who knows, maybe the NFL settles with all of them and pays them to go away. I would think not, just because the NFL has the $$$ to fight a silly case, esp after the offer a great deal like going to a SB of your choice with airfare and room and board covered

[Hitman21ST]

Who knows, maybe the NFL settles with all of them and pays them to go away. I would think not, just because the NFL has the $$$ to fight a silly case, esp after the offer a great deal like going to a SB of your choice with airfare and room and board covered

I'm just glad it was the Packers vs. Steelers this year, and their fans who are getting the deal. Can you imagine if it was a one year wonder team like the Cardinals or Lions? Those fans would be waiting forever for the all-expenses paid trip to the Super Bowl.

[Destino]

This seems pretty simple to me because none of these people were harmed physically, made sick in any way, or face any emotional trauma as a result. It's a dollar and cents proposition. What they should be refunded is:

1 - Ticket price. (obviously)
2 - Travel costs (flight, hotel, and reasonable expenses)

There really isn't more to it than this. This isn't a payday lawsuit IMO. The damages are easy to put a number on and the league can offer a few other things to come out of this looking good. Have each injured party turnover receipts and call it a day.

Now if the NFL wants come out of this smelling like roses they can sweeten the pot with things fans would appreciate.

1 - Free tickets to next years superbowl (and good seats to boot)
2 - Maybe a signed authentic from their favorite teams (which costs the NFL next to nothing)

[adam@section118]

This seems pretty simple to me because none of these people were harmed physically, made sick in any way, or face any emotional trauma as a result. It's a dollar and cents proposition. What they should be refunded is:

1 - Ticket price. (obviously)
2 - Travel costs (flight, hotel, and reasonable expenses)

There really isn't more to it than this. This isn't a payday lawsuit IMO. The damages are easy to put a number on and the league can offer a few other things to come out of this looking good. Have each injured party turnover receipts and call it a day.

Now if the NFL wants come out of this smelling like roses they can sweeten the pot with things fans would appreciate.

1 - Free tickets to next years superbowl (and good seats to boot)
2 - Maybe a signed authentic from their favorite teams (which costs the NFL next to nothing)

And this is why I think the NFL is handling it perfectly.

I mean, a all expenses paid trip to a SB of your choice. Thats pretty awesome, and it beats just a tripple refund and a ticket to a game you may not care about next year.

---------- Post added February-9th-2011 at 02:54 PM ----------

Updated info from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6104356



The lawsuit seeks $5 million in actual damages for the plaintiffs -- but that number can be tripled under the state's trade law -- and unspecified punitive damages, according to Bloomberg.
...
The league initially said Monday those fans would get $2,400 -- three times the face value of the ticket -- and tickets to next season's Super Bowl. The fans also were allowed on the field after the game and given merchandise and food.

On Tuesday, the NFL added a second option: They can choose to attend any future Super Bowl instead of being limited to the 2012 game and receive round-trip airfare and hotel accommodations. If fans choose that option, they will not get the $2,400. They can wait until after the conference championship games each season to see whether their favorite team reaches the Super Bowl.

If fans choose the first option of next year's game plus the $2,400, the ticket is transferable, which means it can be sold on the secondary ticket market. It won't be transferable in the other option.
.....
Some fans who were moved want compensation as well. Mike Dolabi said that when he paid for his seat license at Cowboys Stadium, he was promised "the best sightlines in the stadium" for the Super Bowl, according to Bloomberg.

Instead, some fans received "temporary metal fold-out chairs" in an attempt to break the Super Bowl attendance record, according to the complaint.

[Enter Apotheosis]

either way it is one hell of a compensation tough choice money back "tripled" or tickets to future super bowl all expenses payed???

The latter option is reasonably fair compensation although whether or not it truly makes up for the lost time, experience, and headache is extremely debatable. The former option was simply an insufficient one when you consider that aftermarket ticket costs were supposedly damn near triple face value of the tickets, meaning that the NFL would only be partially covering expenses associated with a Super Bowl trip for some of these people.

[AKM311]

This tripled money back off of face. Those tickets were selling for like $3500 on other websites. So they aren't trippling there money. They could easily be losing money.

[Texasaurus]

The latter option is reasonably fair compensation although whether or not it truly makes up for the lost time, experience, and headache is extremely debatable. The former option was simply an insufficient one when you consider that aftermarket ticket costs were supposedly damn near triple face value of the tickets, meaning that the NFL would only be partially covering expenses associated with a Super Bowl trip for some of these people.

Clearly the NFL can not make up for lost time, experience ect..but never the less the deal is as good as it gets, personally I would take it

[pointyfootball]

I actually thought the NFL acted as well as they could have. Certainly better than any airline/hotel business. I understand the fans frustrations, and it was probably bungled leading up to the game, but considering all that is going on the day of the SB, I thought the NFL did a good job with doing their best to make it right.

[Henry]

The NFL may have not acted maliciously, but their ongoing efforts to squeeze every last frickin cent out of their fanbase caused this fiasco. High-school quality bleachers and folding chairs for $800 seats? Are you kidding me?

I'm glad this isn't going away. The NFL needs to stop taking it's fans for granted and stop treating them like cattle. My hope is that this scares the NFL into treating it's fans with more respect in the future, and maybe stop over-commercializing and over-sensationalizing the superbowl. I doubt that will happen though.

[jnhay]

Come on. It's bull****. Sometimes we need to deal with the disappointments we have in life. Don't get me wrong, I'd be pissed too, but like the famous saying goes "**** happens!" I think the compensation offered is pretty fair. They messed up, and they're willing to give you triple the money back and replace your tickets for the future! Sure, the NFL is probably greedier than the fans would ever be, but I think it's equitable payment.


This tripled money back off of face. Those tickets were selling for like $3500 on other websites. So they aren't trippling there money. They could easily be losing money.
Couldn't they triple their money, and then triple it again if they sell the tickets they get next year? They'd get more than solely selling the tickets they got this year (which they couldn't have sold considering the seats weren't there).

[adam@section118]

To me the tripple refund option sucks because your favorite team may not be in the SB next year.

The other option, to get to go to a game and get everything paid for....now that is one hell of a deal

[SWFLSkins]

The way it sounds to me is they are willing to triple the money back and give them tickets to any super bowl in the future

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/TPACE_TX/Texas%20Redneck%20Games%202007/100_2147.jpg

Buddy you are out of kool aid on this one.

[adam@section118]

Couldn't they triple their money, and then triple it again if they sell the tickets they get next year? They'd get more than solely selling the tickets they got this year (which they couldn't have sold considering the seats weren't there).

They can do that if they one option (I forget which one) but not that other.

I remember they said specifically one option will be able to sell the ticket on the aftermark, while the other option you will not be able to.

[Henry]

Come on. It's bull****. Sometimes we need to deal with the disappointments we have in life. Don't get me wrong, I'd be pissed too, but like the famous saying goes "**** happens!" I think the compensation offered is pretty fair. They messed up, and they're willing to give you triple the money back and replace your tickets for the future! Sure, the NFL is probably greedier than the fans would ever be, but I think it's equitable payment.

Sorry I ran over your dog. Here's a new dog and $300.

Don't be mad at me because, you know, **** happens.

[SWFLSkins]

Some fans who were moved want compensation as well. Mike Dolabi said that when he paid for his seat license at Cowboys Stadium, he was promised "the best sightlines in the stadium" for the Super Bowl, according to Bloomberg.

Instead, some fans received "temporary metal fold-out chairs" in an attempt to break the Super Bowl attendance record, according to the complaint.

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Imagine the fights that could have broke out in that section......http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/Metal_Militia666/wrestling%20animated/chairshot.gif

[HOF44]

If it was the Skins in the Super Bowl and I showed up to my seat and they told me I was not going to have a seat or be able to watch the game in person I very possibly could have ended up locked up. The solution should be that the capacity of the stadium during the regular season should be the capacity of the stadium for the Super Bowl.

[Texasaurus]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/TPACE_TX/Texas%20Redneck%20Games%202007/100_2147.jpg

Buddy you are out of kool aid on this one.

was never drinking the kool aid in the first place and next time make sure the pic is of someone drinking mezcal tequila not crown royal

[mjpanzer]

Tex. Don't you have your own message board of other bandwagon Cowboy fans?

[HapHaszard]

Personally I can see both sides, I've dealt with fire marshals at the Superbowl and one petty ass fire marshal required us to rebuild 2 sets of stairs each for 29 trailers because the platforms were 1 inch too short which in any other state but California was legal. However San Diego felt that the standard 29 inches in the OSHA regulations should be 30 inches instead, because a handicapped person might decide to use the stairs instead of the ramps. We worked 20 hours straight to change all the stair platforms and get approval.

[Texasaurus]

Tex. Don't you have your own message board of other bandwagon Cowboy fans?

Nope

[Hitman21ST]

Nope

They kicked you out, huh?

[Texasaurus]

Was never kicked out just don't go there fans tend to be way to far up Jerruh's crack for my liking

[SkinsNumberOne]

Los Angeles-based attorney Michael J. Avenatti said he expects the suit, which seeks $5 million in damages, to cover about 1,000 people.

source: http://www.statesman.com/sports/pro/nfl-notes-displaced-super-bowl-fans-sue-1244236.html

So, not even counting lawyer expenses, that's about 5k per person. Pretty reasonable, actually, especially considering that some of those who are suing were Steelers fans. Seriously, 5k for a Steelers fan (again it won't be that much either) who was going to Dallas to see his team play? Are you kidding me!? That opportunity does NOT get replaced by 2400 bucks (triple FACE), or a potential trip to a future super bowl with seats unnamed. As others have pointed out, the tickets these guys bought were pretty unlikely to be face value.

As for those who may have paid for a seat license on the chance to see a Super Bowl with "great sight lines" - again, 5k is very reasonable. Those seat licenses are ridiculously expensive; Jerry welcomed that cash with that promise, he needs to be held accountable for completely failing to live up to that promise.

[Texasaurus]

source: http://www.statesman.com/sports/pro/nfl-notes-displaced-super-bowl-fans-sue-1244236.html

So, not even counting lawyer expenses, that's about 5k per person. Pretty reasonable, actually, especially considering that some of those who are suing were Steelers fans. Seriously, 5k for a Steelers fan (again it won't be that much either) who was going to Dallas to see his team play? Are you kidding me!? That opportunity does NOT get replaced by 2400 bucks (triple FACE), or a potential trip to a future super bowl with seats unnamed. As others have pointed out, the tickets these guys bought were pretty unlikely to be face value.

As for those who may have paid for a seat license on the chance to see a Super Bowl with "great sight lines" - again, 5k is very reasonable. Those seat licenses are ridiculously expensive; Jerry welcomed that cash with that promise, he needs to be held accountable for completely failing to live up to that promise.

don't forget the court costs and actual the filing of the suit..in the end they will have nothing I love it

[SkinsGuy]

don't forget the court costs and actual the filing of the suit..in the end they will have nothing I love it

Of course you'd love it, b/c you are an idiot cowboy fan.

If this happened at Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego, or Sun Devil Stadium in Phoenix, or the Superdome in New Orleans you'd be right there with the people who were left out in the cold and robbed of a possibly once-in-a-lifetime experience.

However, b/c this happened at Cowboys Stadium, you are going to react to it as only an idiot cowboy fan would.

The only greedy one here was Jerry Jones. Not greedy for money (though he is). He was greedy for status. He so badly wanted to go around with his chest out and his plastic face stretched into a terrifying grin and crow that he had the biggest superbowl game with the most people ever.

In his zeal to be on top he ruined the experience for hundreds of people and ran roughshod over season ticket holders who were promised "quality seats", but were given lawn chairs and obstructed views at $800 a pop.

And the whole thing backfired on him. :ols:

I saw on TV the other day where he is still trying to claim he had the most people at his stadium. He's trying to count the hundreds of fans who got displaced. He doesn't give a damn about any of those people or the disgruntled season ticket holders. All he cares about is still saying the Super Bowl at his stadium was on top.

Both Jones and the NFL deserve every lawsuit and cost coming at them and more.

[Roger.Staubach]

source: http://www.statesman.com/sports/pro/nfl-notes-displaced-super-bowl-fans-sue-1244236.html

So, not even counting lawyer expenses, that's about 5k per person. Pretty reasonable, actually, especially considering that some of those who are suing were Steelers fans. Seriously, 5k for a Steelers fan (again it won't be that much either) who was going to Dallas to see his team play? Are you kidding me!? That opportunity does NOT get replaced by 2400 bucks (triple FACE), or a potential trip to a future super bowl with seats unnamed. As others have pointed out, the tickets these guys bought were pretty unlikely to be face value.

As for those who may have paid for a seat license on the chance to see a Super Bowl with "great sight lines" - again, 5k is very reasonable. Those seat licenses are ridiculously expensive; Jerry welcomed that cash with that promise, he needs to be held accountable for completely failing to live up to that promise.


Excellent post. If anything, minus lawyer fees, I think that they are asking for too little. The expense of hotel reservations, flights, time off from work, etc would be more than that, I would think.

I hate the fact that the owner of my team is caught up in this but I would rather, as a fan, have him hung out to dry instead giving him support.

And, as SkinsGuy notes above, it looks like Jerry was more concerned with the damned record than he was the enjoyment of the fans (which pisses me off to no end). I understand where Tex thinks that people are being greedy but I also understand why people would want to ask for more. I hate when people behave like *******s and I would like nothing more than for Jerry to suffer because of it. He rolled the dice on this and he lost.

[Henry]

Excellent post. If anything, minus lawyer fees, I think that they are asking for too little. The expense of hotel reservations, flights, time off from work, etc would be more than that, I would think.

Exactly. This is why I don't think the money is the point. If it were just about money the $2400 and future tickets would cover that.

[SkinsGuy]

Exactly. This is why I don't think the money is the point. If it were just about money the $2400 and future tickets would cover that.

True. If you saw how many were treated initially, you'd understand their anger. Put behind fences, surrounded by armed guards like they were criminals, and at first basically being told 'tough ****, that's life in the big states'.

It may be just a pound of flesh some of these angry fans are after, but I'll have no sympathy for Jones or the NFL when it is ripped off their hides.

[Texasaurus]

Of course you'd love it, b/c you are an idiot cowboy fan.

If this happened at Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego, or Sun Devil Stadium in Phoenix, or the Superdome in New Orleans you'd be right there with the people who were left out in the cold and robbed of a possibly once-in-a-lifetime experience.

However, b/c this happened at Cowboys Stadium, you are going to react to it as only an idiot cowboy fan would.

The only greedy one here was Jerry Jones. Not greedy for money (though he is). He was greedy for status. He so badly wanted to go around with his chest out and his plastic face stretched into a terrifying grin and crow that he had the biggest superbowl game with the most people ever.

In his zeal to be on top he ruined the experience for hundreds of people and ran roughshod over season ticket holders who were promised "quality seats", but were given lawn chairs and obstructed views at $800 a pop.

And the whole thing backfired on him. :ols:

I saw on TV the other day where he is still trying to claim he had the most people at his stadium. He's trying to count the hundreds of fans who got displaced. He doesn't give a damn about any of those people or the disgruntled season ticket holders. All he cares about is still saying the Super Bowl at his stadium was on top.

Both Jones and the NFL deserve every lawsuit and cost coming at them and more.

I don't deny Jerruh being greedy but in the end it's just a game..yet people treat it as though it's life and death, so when situations like
these happen..They look to take advantage of grabbing all the cash they can get out of it, They seriously sound like Maude Flanders
whining about the children

[Henry]

I don't deny Jerruh being greedy but in the end it's just a game..yet people treat it as though it's life and death, so when situations like
these happen..

If the NFL is going to treat the game as huge deal then they cannot expect their fans to not treat it as a huge deal. Can't have it both ways.



They look to take advantage of grabbing all the cash they can get out of it, They seriously sound like Maude Flanders whining about the children

Again, if they were looking to take advantage of grabbing all the cash they can get out of it, they'd be asking for a lot more than a few thousand apiece. They can get that by selling the free tickets they just got. Clearly this is about the principle of the thing. And I for one am glad they are doing it.

In any event, sneering at folks for chasing money in the face of one of the tackiest, most over-hyped, over-priced and over-commercialized events in the history of man is kinda funny, and rings a little hollow, if you ask me.

[Texasaurus]

If the NFL is going to treat the game as huge deal then they cannot expect their fans to not care. Can't have it both ways.

Again, if they were looking to take advantage of grabbing all the cash they can get out of it, they'd be asking for a lot more than a few thousand apiece. They can get that by selling the free tickets they just got. Clearly this is about the principle of the thing. And I for one am glad they are doing it.

In any event, sneering at folks for chasing money in the face of one of the tackiest, most over-hyped, over-priced and over-commercialized events in the history of man is kinda funny, and rings a little hollow, if you ask me.

They are asking for more but in any small claims case the most a judgment is allowed to award a person is $5,000

[adam@section118]

Where has it been said it will be heard in small claims court?

Also, they are asking for about 5K per person, clearly shown by SkinsNumberOne in post 42

[Texasaurus]

Doesn't have to be said that is what it is being heard as..a small claims matter..

[Kindred]

I think throwing in a free season pass to watch their team would do the trick

[Henry]

Doesn't have to be said that is what it is being heard as..a small claims matter..

Where are you getting this information?

And is it a low amount because it's being brought up in small claims court, or is it the other way around?

Seems to me like you are bending over backwards to figure out a way to paint these people, seeking a mere $5000 each, as a bunch of money-grubbing little opportunists. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. The NFL just raked in gabillions of dollars employing less than honorable methods to milk every last cent out of people, and when some of these methods backfire the people seeking a collective $5 million are the greedy ones? I don't think so.

[adam@section118]

Doesn't have to be said that is what it is being heard as..a small claims matter..


I am not lawyer, but I have NEVER heard of a class action lawsuit being in small claims court.

Here is what I found from a basic google search:

Class action suits and actions that call for statutory attorney fees cannot be heard in small claims court

So no, from this definition you are incorrect, it will NOT be heard in small claims court

http://www.osbar.org/public/pamphlets/smallclaims.html

[onedrop]

I am not lawyer, but I have NEVER heard of a class action lawsuit being in small claims court.

Here is what I found from a basic google search:

Class action suits and actions that call for statutory attorney fees cannot be heard in small claims court

So now, from this definition you are incorrect, it will NOT be heard in small claims court

http://www.osbar.org/public/pamphlets/smallclaims.html

shocker.

[Texasaurus]

Where are you getting this information?

And is it a low amount because it's being brought up in small claims court, or is it the other way around?

Seems to me like you are bending over backwards to figure out a way to paint these people, seeking a mere $5000 each, as a bunch of money-grubbing little opportunists. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. The NFL just raked in gabillions of dollars employing less than honorable methods to milk every last cent out of people, and when one of them backfires the people seeking a collective $5 million are the greedy ones? I don't think so.

There is no bending over backwards any one filing a suit for small claims is all ways looking for the biggest pay out they can get, however the most
they will get is five thousand..which will go to the attorney and court which leaves them maybe with a few hundred dollars left

[Henry]

There is no bending over backwards any one filing a suit for small claims is all ways looking for the biggest pay out they can get, however the most
they will get is five thousand..which will go to the attorney and court which leaves them maybe with a few hundred dollars left

uh ... ignoring post #55 for a second, if these people wanted more money, wouldn't they just NOT file it in small claims court?

[Texasaurus]

uh ... ignoring post #55 for a second, if these people wanted more money, wouldn't they just NOT file it in small claims court?

There is no where else they can file the suit..anything dealing with situations like this a small claims matter

[Henry]

There is no where else they can file the suit..anything dealing with situations like this a small claims matter

Why?

So let's pretend for a second we live in TexasaurusWorld, and from the start of this whole thing there is no way these people could, under our legal system, seek more than $5000 apiece in a suit against the NFL and Jerry Jones. The fact that they did seek this paltry sum, knowing that's the most they could get, rather than just take the buyout the NFL offered, which would clearly be worth more than that, is evidence that they are grabbing all the cash they can?

[adam@section118]

Now he is just arguing to argue.

This is clearly NOT a small claims matter, and post 59 is incorrect.

[Texasaurus]

Why?

Why small claims?? because the case is against a private litigant..

[adam@section118]

Here is what I got from another basic google search

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/33/3302.asp

California: Class Action Lawsuit Hits Federal Court

So no, Federal Court is not the same as Small Claims, and Small Claims is NOT their only option

[Texasaurus]

Do you even know what a class action suit is?? for that matter do you even know that regardless of the court
used..the matter is still small claims

[adam@section118]

TYPICAL CLAIMS FILED
Following is a general list of claims which can be filed in

■Breach of a written or oral contract.
■Return of money used as a down payment.
■Property damage caused by a motor vehicle accident.
■Damage to or loss of property.
■Consumer complaints for defective merchandise or faulty workmanship.
■Payment for work performed.
■Claims based on bad checks.
■Claims for back rent.
■Return of a tenant's security deposit.*
Please remember that if you believe you are entitled to damages greater than the money limits, but still wish to sue in Small Claims, you give up your right to recover damages over the money limits. The additional money cannot be claimed later in a separate lawsuit.

*Not to exceed $5,000.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/civil/civ-02.htm

Since this claim will be for 5 million dollars, I think even the dumbest of dumb people could see that $5 million > $5,000

So once again, the case will not be hear in any small claims court anywhere

(though I bet this settles anyways, so it really will not matter)

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 02:57 PM ----------


any court room can be used to house a small claims matter

What?

No, that is not true

Again, from a SIMPLE google search


There is no equivalent to a small claims court in the U.S. federal court system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_claims_court

[Texasaurus]

if it goes to court it will be

[adam@section118]

So you are going to argue against all links using credible sources (even if I hate WIKI) INCLUDING the state legal pages, and just plug your ears and say "LA LA LA LA I AM RIGHT"

Well you go right ahead.

I can promise you this is not a small claims court issue, and it never will be unless they each file claims seperatly (which would go against everything a class action lawsuit stands for).

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:02 PM ----------


Do you even know what a class action suit is??

In law, a class action or a representative action is a form of lawsuit in which a large group of people collectively bring a claim to court and/or in which a class of defendants is being sued. This form of collective lawsuit originated in the United States and is still predominantly a U.S. phenomenon, at least the U.S. variant of it. However, in several European countries with civil law different from the English common law principle (which is used by U.S. courts), changes have been made in recent years that allow consumer organizations to bring claims on behalf of large groups of consumers.


for that matter do you even know that regardless of the court
used..the matter is still small claims

Do you know that you are 1000% wrong

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:04 PM ----------

Last thing before I leave:

The types of claims that cannot be filed in the small claims division are those for:

•libel or slander
•prejudgment remedies
•imjunctive relief
•specific performance
•class actions
•traffic violations
•criminal matters
•claims greater than $2500•forcible entry or detainer
•actions against this state; it's political subdivisions;
OR
•an officer or employee in an official capacity (i.e. State, County City, Salt River Project, etc.)

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/justiceCourts/courtsandsections/smallclaims/

[Texasaurus]

Actually I am a hundred percent right..any court room can be used for any type of litigation, doesn't matter if it is housing, small claims, criminal
or federal..and for the record your buddy adam provided a link as to what small claims is thus once again proving me to be right

[adam@section118]

Actually I am a hundred percent right..any court room can be used for any type of litigation, doesn't matter if it is housing, small claims, criminal
or federal..and for the record your buddy adam provided a link as to what small claims is thus once again proving me to be right

My buddy Adam?

So, I am friends with myself :ols:

EDIT: Please show me anywhere, if that definition I (Adam) provided, where it says anything about a class action being heard in a small claims court



any court room can be used for any type of litigation


This is simply not true. If it was, there was be need need to have diffrent requirements for small claims versus federal versus whatever other kinds of cases.

Also, if this was the case you would not have to go to a diffrent court room for a traffc violation and then go to another diffrent courtroom for a felony charge of drugs or weapons.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:14 PM ----------


Since this claim will be for 5 million dollars, I think even the dumbest of dumb people could see that $5 million > $5,000

Quoted again to show that even if everything else you said was true (which it is not) they still would not hear it in small claims as 5M is greater than 5K

[Tweedr01]

sorry tex, you are getting owned in here....might be a good time to just....you know....not reply anymore, because replying obviously isn't helping your case

[Henry]

I'm still trying to figure out how a group seeking $5000 (minus lawyer fees) each in damages, for whatever reason, can be considered a bunch of cash-grabbers.

[adam@section118]

I'm still trying to figure out how a group seeking $5000 (minus lawyer fees) each in damages, for whatever reason, can be considered a bunch of cash-grabbers.

Truth is, they aren't.

Even the people I know who think we have a horrible problem with frivolous lawsuits have said they are happy with this.

The NFL (and Jerry Jones) got greedy, and the NFL needed a huge wake up call.

Personally, I think the NFL thought they could burry this. The truth is today it is harder to burry anything with the 24/7 news cycle looking to jump on any story it can, and it does not help the NFL is in the midst of a possible lockout.

The NFL screwed up, and they will pay big time. Part of it will be monetary, but a bigger part will come from public relations. IMO

[Texasaurus]

I doubt any of you have been to court..well I have and I know that court rooms get changed around for hearings..regardless of the matter in the court

[Henry]

The NFL screwed up, and they will pay big time. Part of it will be monetary, but a bigger part will come from public relations. IMO

This right here. Considering the amount of money they are asking for will barely cover court costs, the only reason that makes sense for these people to do this is to keep it in the news. The NFL thought they could treat their fans, their customers, the people that pay their bills, like garbage and get away with it. I for one am glad they screwed over aren't going to just take the bribe and let them.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:28 PM ----------


I doubt any of you have been to court..well I have and I know that court rooms get changed around for hearings..regardless of the matter in the court

You've been to court therefore none of the links presented to you in this thread are valid?

[Texasaurus]

sorry tex, you are getting owned in here....might be a good time to just....you know....not reply anymore, because replying obviously isn't helping your case

trust me I ain't getting owned in this thread..so maybe your fans should take this great advice of yours and not reply since they can no longer spin it

[adam@section118]

I doubt any of you have been to court..well I have and I know that court rooms get changed around for hearings..regardless of the matter in the court

I have been in court for a law class I took in both high school and college, and unless you mean they move the furniture around (hint: they don't) then you are 100% wrong, again.

You really should not assume, especially when you have no clue what you are talknig about. I have spent plenty of time in court, more then I care to admit. In college classes they required us to "observe" and then write briefs on the cases we observed. Funny, when I was in traffic I ONLY heard traffic cases, etc....

Then again, if you knew what you were talking about you would do a basic google search (or bing, or ask.com, or yahoo) and see you are 100% wrong and just move on.

Traffic court is traffic court, and federal court is federal court. No if, ands, or but's about it.

Sorry, once again you are wrong.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:31 PM ----------


trust me I ain't getting owned in this thread..so maybe your fans should take this great advice of yours and not reply since they can no longer spin it

No need to spin the truth.

[Texasaurus]

This right here. Considering the amount of money they are asking for will barely cover court costs, the only reason that makes sense for these people to do this is to keep it in the news. The NFL thought they could treat their fans, their customers, the people that pay their bills, like garbage and get away with it. I for one am glad that the people that got screwed over by the dollar signs in the NFL's eyes aren't going to just take the bribe and let them.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:28 PM ----------



You've been to court therefore none of the links presented to you in this thread are valid?

The link to what small claims is happens to be correct..however I never needed the link to know what it
is since I have been through that litigation before

[adam@section118]

This right here. Considering the amount of money they are asking for will barely cover court costs, the only reason that makes sense for these people to do this is to keep it in the news. The NFL thought they could treat their fans, their customers, the people that pay their bills, like garbage and get away with it. I for one am glad that the people that got screwed over by the dollar signs in the NFL's eyes aren't going to just take the bribe and let them.

Exactly. Though I do hope it does not hender negotiations, I think it is great the NFL is getting some bad PR from this. They got arrogant, and now it is coming back to bite them in the ass



You've been to court therefore none of the links presented to you in this thread are valid?

There you go trying to use logic again.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:35 PM ----------


The link to what small claims is happens to be correct..however I never needed the link to know what it
is since I have been through that litigation before

What about this post? Is that all a lie some lie being spread by the courts?

The types of claims that cannot be filed in the small claims division are those for:

•libel or slander
•prejudgment remedies
•imjunctive relief
•specific performance
•class actions
•traffic violations
•criminal matters
•claims greater than $2500•forcible entry or detainer
•actions against this state; it's political subdivisions;
OR
•an officer or employee in an official capacity (i.e. State, County City, Salt River Project, etc.)

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...s/smallclaims/

[Texasaurus]

I have been in court for a law class I took in both high school and college, and unless you mean they move the furniture around (hint: they don't) then you are 100% wrong, again.

You really should not assume, especially when you have no clue what you are talknig about. I have spent plenty of time in court, more then I care to admit. In college classes they required us to "observe" and then write briefs on the cases we observed. Funny, when I was in traffic I ONLY heard traffic cases, etc....

Then again, if you knew what you were talking about you would do a basic google search (or bing, or ask.com, or yahoo) and see you are 100% wrong and just move on.

Traffic court is traffic court, and federal court is federal court. No if, ands, or but's about it.

Sorry, once again you are wrong.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:31 PM ----------



No need to spin the truth.

How many times have morning or afternoon cases been moved to another court room to be heard by another judge??? or if the court house is small so
there fore there is no small claims court. which means it has to be moved to a court where the case can be heard, bottom line watching Judge Judy or
the Peoples Court does not constitute actual court room time.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:38 PM ----------


Exactly. Though I do hope it does not hender negotiations, I think it is great the NFL is getting some bad PR from this. They got arrogant, and now it is coming back to bite them in the ass



There you go trying to use logic again.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:35 PM ----------



What about this post? Is that all a lie some lie being spread by the courts?

The types of claims that cannot be filed in the small claims division are those for:

•libel or slander
•prejudgment remedies
•imjunctive relief
•specific performance
•class actions
•traffic violations
•criminal matters
•claims greater than $2500•forcible entry or detainer
•actions against this state; it's political subdivisions;
OR
•an officer or employee in an official capacity (i.e. State, County City, Salt River Project, etc.)

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...s/smallclaims/

That was the link I was referring to but since you are to busy spinning and ignoring I guess you failed to read where I acknowledged that

[adam@section118]

Throwing insults around? Nice

How about going to a actual court room? Does mommy ever let you do that?

Anyways, did you ever notice that when a case is moved it stays in the same DIVISION (or classification, whatever the legal term is)

A traffic case does not become a federal case because you move from room 3 to room 4. It simply becomes a traffic case heard by Judge X instead of a trafficase heard by Judge Y

[Henry]

They are asking for more but in any small claims case the most a judgment is allowed to award a person is $5,000

Tex, speaking of ignoring and spinning you never said where you got this information.

Are you suggesting that 1000 people got together to sue the NFL for all they could, but then suddenly went "Oh ****, we can only get $5000 apiece minus lawyers fees ... how did we not know this ahead of time? Oh well. Let's do it anyway."

?

[Texasaurus]

No kidding I never said it left the area now did I?? I said the matter is a small claims matter and I am right it is a small claims matter, never once
did I say it would leave the court house

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 03:43 PM ----------


Tex, speaking of ignoring and spinning you never said where you got this information.

Are you suggesting that 1000 people got together to sue the NFL for all they could, but then suddenly went "Oh ****, we can only get $5000 apiece minus lawyers fees ... how did we not know this ahead of time? Oh well. Let's do it anyway."

?

Once again that doesn't mean they can not try and get more than what the court awards

[adam@section118]

It is NOT a small claims matter

From the link below, for the third time

The types of claims that cannot be filed in the small claims division are those for:

•libel or slander
•prejudgment remedies
•imjunctive relief
•specific performance
•class actions
•traffic violations
•criminal matters
•claims greater than $2500•forcible entry or detainer
•actions against this state; it's political subdivisions;
OR
•an officer or employee in an official capacity (i.e. State, County City, Salt River Project, etc.)

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...s/smallclaims/

[Henry]

Once again that doesn't mean they can not try and get more than what the court awards

Once again, the article says they are seeking $5 million for the 1000 of them.

For the third time, where are you getting the information that says they are actually seeking more than that?

[adam@section118]

So you finally edited your post and said it will not be a small claims issue, after arguing me with me for 2 pages saying you were 1000% right and that it was.

Progress, slow progress, but progress.

Now I would love to hear where they are asking for more then the court awards? I have heard nothing about this, and frankly the only thing I have heard at all was 5M, and that was from a lawyer.

Do you have a link to a article or a video?

[Henry]

Nevermind. I found what I was looking for.

But thanks for not bothering to try, Tex.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11040/1123997-66.stm


The suit could fall under breach-of-contract law, the deceptive trade practices act or fraud, Branson and Branham said. Under the deceptive trade practices act, the plaintiffs could recover their travel and lodging expenses, as well as what they paid for their tickets as opposed to face value, Branham said. If a court determines the deception was willful or reckless, the plaintiffs are entitled to triple the damages.

"The law says, at least in Texas, that lost experience, that's worth something," he said.

A fraud claim, which Branham said would be difficult to prove, would allow for punitive damages, which he said could be three to five times the actual damages.

Branham said his office fielded inquiries about pursuing legal action, and that right now his firm is investigating. Michael Avenatti, a founding partner of Los Angeles-based Eagan Avenatti, said his firm is preparing to file a class-action lawsuit representing approximately 1,000 people against the NFL, the Cowboys and team owner Jerry Jones. He said the suit will ask for the repayment of what fans paid for their tickets as well as travel costs.

"We think that this is a pretty straightforward matter," Avenatti said. "People did not obtain what they were told they were going to get."

What they paid for their tickets plus travels costs ... yeah what a bunch of greedy bastards.

Tex, if you have any information that says they were ever seeking more than that, now would be a good time to post it.

[onedrop]

tex, look through these links and tell us what word is....on nevermind...... FEDERAL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-superbowl-seatproblems

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/msn/02/09/11/Federal-lawsuit-filed-against-Jerry-Jone/landing_cowboys.html?blockID=406994&feedID=3742

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/super-bowl-2011/02/09/super-bowl-lawsuit.ap/index.html

[adam@section118]

Nevermind. I found what I was looking for.

But thanks for not bothering to try, Tex.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11040/1123997-66.stm

Sounds like they are saying it is an option, but nothing more (a scare tactic?)

I still think it settles, this is a case where people want the PR and the law firms are just feeding off of that

[Texasaurus]

i stand by the small claims issue there is nothing federal about it..private litigants are seeking money which is a small claims issue..so if they
go to court they will walk away with nothing..which makes me smile

[Henry]

..so if they go to court they will walk away with nothing..which makes me smile

Why?

[onedrop]

has anyone ever been banned on the basis of sheer and utter stupidity?

[Texasaurus]

Because taking it to court is pointless..the NFL regardless of when the deals were offered, are willing to help out by paying for future trips to
the super bowl..plus willing to pay for airfare and hotel. which I might add will be more than the 5000 they would get in court, should they win
the actual litigation.but if they want to take it court go ahead they will walk away with nothing which again makes me smile

[Roger.Staubach]

so if they
go to court they will walk away with nothing..which makes me smile

Why would this make you smile? You think they deserve nothing?

I hope, someday, that you meet Kaptain Karma.

[Henry]

Because taking it to court is pointless..the NFL regardless of when the deals were offered, are willing to help out by paying for future trips to
the super bowl..plus willing to pay for airfare and hotel. which I might add will be more than the 5000 they would get in court, should they win
the actual litigation.but if they want to take it court go ahead they will walk away with nothing which again makes me smile

Taking it to court is not pointless if it's not about the money.

Which is ... uh ... what some of us have been saying for the past several pages.

[adam@section118]

i stand by the small claims issue there is nothing federal about it..private litigants are seeking money which is a small claims issue..so if they
go to court they will walk away with nothing..which makes me smile

HUH??

You just admitted it is not a small claims issue, and now you are saying it is?

Either way, good day.
______________________________________

Henry, exactly. If it was about money they would have taken the deal already. This is about making the NFL sweat, and from the way the public is reacting this week the NFL is sweating a lot (about this issue and the CBA talks breaking down)

[Texasaurus]

Taking it to court is not pointless if it's not about the money.

Which is ... uh ... what some of us have been saying for the past several pages.

of course it is about money..fans want the money back

[Henry]

of course it is about money..fans want the money back

Then why didn't they just take the deal the NFL was offering?

[GhostofSparta]

Then why didn't they just take the deal the NFL was offering?

SPOILER ALERT: His answer is going to involve the word "greed" in some form.

[Henry]

SPOILER ALERT: His answer is going to involve the word "greed" in some form.

I know. :)

But then why would they join a suit that is seeking to get them less money?





... at some point the merry-go-round has to stop, doesn't it? :)

[GhostofSparta]

I know. :)

But then why would they join a suit that would get them less money?

At some point the merry-go-round has to stop, doesn't it? :)

I've been waiting 2 days for it to cease. I think he's a broken record that somehow connected to the internet.

Personally, I'm glad they didn't take the bribe and are trying to prove to the NFL that fans aren't just walking wallets. Customers have rights too, and don't deserve to be treated the way they were. I shudder at the thought of Jones getting away with this fiasco, and every NFL owner trying the same tactic during the regular season? I'm sure they would love to be able to charge us $50 to sit in folding chairs behind pillars to boost attendance and sales. He can talk all day about the avarice of the guys trying to get $5k after being sold a ticket and then being told that their legitimate ticket was for a seat that didn't exist, but I'm more concerned about the covetousness of the owners, who have the real power, trying to find 1 more way to screw us fans at every turn.

[Texasaurus]

because it does involve greed the answer you easily want to avoid but can't it's clear that no dollar amount is gonna make up
for what they lost..but it is not like the NFL told them go to hell you are not getting nothing out of us either

[CurseReversed]

Notice how it is "a trip to a future superbowl of their choosing" They say that because they know they can never replace the experience that all those people missed who were greenbay and pittsburg fans. How can you replace or triple your money back on the act of watching your team win the superbowl. So they say this to appease both teams fans who can envision their teams going back and using the free trip then. Good luck with that.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

of course it is about money..fans want the money back

It's much, much larger than that. Yeah, a casual fan might be fine with a refund (which in many cases they still lose out - how often do people pay face for Super Bowl tickets??), but any true fan wouldn't.

What they lost out on is priceless....

(unless they were Steelers fans as addicted noted :ols:)

[Texasaurus]

Then the best option is to take the one currently on the table..the NFL is truthfully regretting what happened and doesn't want fans to tainted
by a mistake, where you no longer attend a super bowl game.

[Roger.Staubach]

.the NFL is truthfully regretting what happened and doesn't want fans to tainted
by a mistake, where you no longer attend a super bowl game.

If you believe that then I have a bridge to sell you.

The only thing the NFL regrets right now is the bad press they are getting.

[Hitman21ST]

SPOILER ALERT: His answer is going to involve the word "greed" in some form.


because it does involve greed the answer you easily want to avoid but can't it's clear that no dollar amount is gonna make up
for what they lost..but it is not like the NFL told them go to hell you are not getting nothing out of us either

http://theflickcast.com/wp-content/uploads//pee_wee.jpg

[adam@section118]

Normally the NFL takes over stadiums to begin Super Bowl preparations, and in this case it was Jan. 8 when the league took over. Grubman said the Cowboys remained in the process.


"Well, it's accurate to say in this instance," he said to Pro Football Talk, "I won't deal with what happened in the other 44 Super Bowls because I am sure there is a lot of particulars in any one Super Bowl, but the fact that the Cowboys were involved in hiring the contractor to install the seats and that is just the specifics of how we and the Cowboys decided to do it this time around."


Cowboys officials have declined comment other than to say they apologized for what happened with the seating problems.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6109257

Some interesting things in the article, including how they lost a contracting company halfway through the process.

---------- Post added February-10th-2011 at 09:07 PM ----------


If you believe that then I have a bridge to sell you.

The only thing the NFL regrets right now is the bad press they are getting.

This

And I am loving every second of watching this NFL "apology" tour

[Texasaurus]

You have the bridge but I do believe that the NFL does regret what happened

[Henry]

because it does involve greed the answer you easily want to avoid but can't

The only avoidance I see in this thread is your wish to avoid explaining why people motivated by greed would take this to court where they will end up getting back a lot less money.

Actually, you've also avoided, about four times, telling us where you heard that these people were asking for a bigger payout in court than the stated $5000 each.

[Hitman21ST]

The only avoidance I see in this thread is your wish to avoid explaining why people motivated by greed would take this to court where they will end up getting back a lot less money.

Actually, you've also avoided, about four times, telling us where you heard that these people were asking for a bigger payout in court than the stated $5000 each.

That's Tex's M.O. Ignore everything that hurts his case, make outrageous claims with no substance, then blame it on the "greedy" fans.

[Texasaurus]

The only avoidance I see in this thread is your wish to avoid explaining why people motivated by greed would take this to court where they will end up getting back a lot less money.

Actually, you've also avoided, about four times, telling us where you heard that these people were asking for a bigger payout in court than the stated $5000 each.

Of course they want a bigger payout than 5 thousand each, those litigants who filed the suit against Jones are looking for more compensation, because in the case of many of the litigants. it just wasn't boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife who went to that game and lost out, my guess is entire families went to the game and were all so displaced due to error...So obviously five thousand is not going to be enough for them, they want the entire amount back, which is whatever they spent on airfare, hotel,food, car rental and game day tickets

so of course when they walk in to a attorneys office to tell him/her what happened and what they are seeking for compensation..they then learn that the
most they can get awarded in a judgment for a case like this is five thousand dollars..which you have deemed a slap in the face, when in truth what the
NFL is offering is far more and a way better deal than what they would get if they get a judgment awarded to them

But go ahead and file the suit if they win the five thousand..the lawyers will take that and they will be left with nothing which again makes me
smile

[Tweedr01]

has anyone ever been banned on the basis of sheer and utter stupidity?
hahahahaha, man I don't know why I feel so bad for tex, I mean he's literally digging his own grave, lol

[Texasaurus]

That's Tex's M.O. Ignore everything that hurts his case, make outrageous claims with no substance, then blame it on the "greedy" fans.

Nothing has hurt my case thus far and if we are talking about ignoring things..the fact that you want to ignore the truth only proves me right

[Tweedr01]

To add to what others have said in regards to the reimbursement to another SB and not getting to watch their team play, what if the fans that missed out were all Steelers fans? Would that 1,000 extra people have helped in turning Cowboys Stadium into Heinz Field? Would the noise have been enough to throw off Rodgers show and give Pittsburgh #7?

*Please do not mistake this, I still wanted pittsburgh to lose

[slaga]

Some fans got debacled (thanks Emmitt) by the incompetence of the Cowboys to get their stadium ready for the Super Bowl. Tex's weak attempt at defending the Cowboys is hilarious. I don't feel sorry for either of them.

[Tweedr01]

Nothing has hurt my case thus far and if we are talking about ignoring things..the fact that you want to ignore the truth only proves me right
Bro....what truth are you talking about? They have been providing factual evidence provided by links to US court websites, law websites, wiki sites, and news sites covering this issue....you have provided opinion proven by nothing but very short explanations on your part that really aren't explanations but reiterations of what you already said. Everything you have said so far has been from you, not from any credible source, and unless you can provide a reason why you are a credible source EVERYONE is going to side with the links to credible sources provided by adam and henry.

[Texasaurus]

To add to what others have said in regards to the reimbursement to another SB and not getting to watch their team play, what if the fans that missed out were all Steelers fans? Would that 1,000 extra people have helped in turning Cowboys Stadium into Heinz Field? Would the noise have been enough to throw off Rodgers show and give Pittsburgh #7?

*Please do not mistake this, I still wanted pittsburgh to lose

Oh God forbid we should miss out on not watching our teams playing in the super bowl..I guess the world can now officially end now because after
all if you can't watch your team play there just ain't no point in living

[Tweedr01]

Some fans got debacled (thanks Emmitt) by the incompetence of the Cowboys to get their stadium ready for the Super Bowl. Tex's weak attempt at defending the Cowboys is hilarious. I don't feel sorry for either of them.
You need to quit repeating yourself, lol, debacled-Emmitt-incompetence-Cowboys....don't they all boil down to the same thing?

---------- Post added February-11th-2011 at 09:20 AM ----------


Oh God forbid we should miss out on not watching our teams playing in the super bowl..I guess the world can now officially end now because after
all if you can't watch your team play there just ain't no point in living
huh? isn't that the point of this entire thread? should we just stop discussing because it's not a life or death matter? if so, why are you still arguing?

[Henry]

Of course they want a bigger payout than 5 thousand each, those litigants who filed the suit against Jones are looking for more compensation, because in the case of many of the litigants. it just wasn't boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife who went to that game and lost out, my guess is entire families went to the game and were all so displaced due to error...So obviously five thousand is not going to be enough for them, they want the entire amount back, which is whatever they spent on airfare, hotel,food, car rental and game day tickets

so of course when they walk in to a attorneys office to tell him/her what happened and what they are seeking for compensation..they then learn that the
most they can get awarded in a judgment for a case like this is five thousand dollars..which you have deemed a slap in the face, when in truth what the
NFL is offering is far more and a way better deal than what they would get if they get a judgment awarded to them

But go ahead and file the suit if they win the five thousand..the lawyers will take that and they will be left with nothing which again makes me
smile

I see.

You don't actually have any proof of anything but based on some scenario you've concocted in your mind, 1000 or so people first got screwed over by the league, and are now getting bilked by greedy lawyers because they are too stupid to know any better.

And that makes you smile.

Tough to argue with that. :rolleyes:

[Texasaurus]

huh? isn't that the point of this entire thread? should we just stop discussing because it's not a life or death matter? if so, why are you still arguing?

The discussion is entirely up to you, however the clear point of this thread is get back at Jerruh for the error. obviously this is clear by the numerous
posts supporting the fans filing the suit. however football is not life or death, missing a football game is not going to be the end of the world, IMO if
the litigants were smart they'd take the money being offered back at triple the rate, Or take the future trip to any super bowl all expenses payed and
just be done with it..of course they do not share that and take the Maude Flanders approach and whine till enough people feel sorry for them and give
them more than they should actually get

---------- Post added February-11th-2011 at 09:34 AM ----------


I see.

You don't actually have any proof of anything but based on some scenario you've concocted in your mind, 1000 or so people first got screwed over by the league, and are now getting bilked by greedy lawyers because they are too stupid to know any better.

And that makes you smile.

Tough to argue with that. :rolleyes:

No scenario being drawn up..anytime something happens to a person it is human nature to draw in as much sympathy as you can get. and
there is no arguing against human nature

[adam@section118]

I just want to say two things:

1. Do you have ANY proof they approached the lawyers, and it was not the other way around?

2. $5,000 is NOT the limit they can receive. It would be if the case was heard in SMALL CLAIMS COURT, but as it is not there is no limit that I have read or heard of.

If I am incorrect in either of the above, please do not waste my time by stating your OPINION but I would love if you could provide a link refuting either of those.

P.S. If you need help finding links here are a couple of great places to start:

http://www.google.com/

http://www.yahoo.com/

http://www.bing.com/

[Tweedr01]

The discussion is entirely up to you, however the clear point of this thread is get back at Jerruh for the error. obviously this is clear by the numerous
posts supporting the fans filing the suit. however football is not life or death, missing a football game is not going to be the end of the world, IMO if
the litigants were smart they'd take the money being offered back at triple the rate, Or take the future trip to any super bowl all expenses payed and
just be done with it..of course they do not share that and take the Maude Flanders approach and whine till enough people feel sorry for them and give
them more than they should actually get
So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Jerruh screwed up, it doesn't matter that these folks could have changed the outcome of the game, it doesn't matter that these people aren't ACTUALLY suing for more money than they are being offered, what does matter is that they MIGHT at some point sue for more money, they MIGHT be able to watch their team in a SB, and they MIGHT get their seats next time?

Everything you are saying is complete conjecture, just speculation on what might happen. Whose to say that the next time they go to the SB the same thing won't happen? Whose to say their team even gets to another SB again? Why couldn't they just not screw it up? This has NEVER happened before and this time it happend, per the link and quote provided above, because Jerruh wanted to do it his way, why shouldn't he take full responsibility? It's not like these people are millionaires suing billionaires, cough, CBA, cough, these are people like you and me....well maybe more like me, that have real jobs, kids, lives, and they put it all on hold to spend tons of money on going to the SB for what? To get screwed over by ol' cryptkeeper
http://www.junkpc.com/Images/cryptkeeper.jpg
That's the guy you're supporting BTW

[Henry]

The discussion is entirely up to you, however the clear point of this thread is get back at Jerruh for the error. obviously this is clear by the numerous
posts supporting the fans filing the suit. however football is not life or death, missing a football game is not going to be the end of the world, IMO if
the litigants were smart they'd take the money being offered back at triple the rate, Or take the future trip to any super bowl all expenses payed and
just be done with it..of course they do not share that and take the Maude Flanders approach and whine till enough people feel sorry for them and give
them more than they should actually get

It was the NFL that made the superbowl a big deal. They've hyped it more and more every year and made it one of the biggest events of all time so that they can charge $800 for even the crappiest of seats.

But now that they've screwed up it's not a big deal? Nice try.


No scenario being drawn up

When your post consists of 'my guess is blah blah blah ... so obviously blah blah blah' then yes, you are drawing up a scenario.

Apparently your favorite technique is to simply argue against whatever someone posts no matter what was actually said. It didn't work for the black knight in The Holy Grail, and it's not working for you.


..anytime something happens to a person it is human nature to draw in as much sympathy as you can get. and
there is no arguing against human nature

Really? So we all had sympathy for the woman who sued McDonalds when she spilled hot coffee on herself?

Not really. People laugh at frivolous lawsuits all the time. This isn't one of those times.

[Texasaurus]

Why provide a link to either of those questions?? I've been through the small claims matter I don't need to provide pointless links to back up
what I have all ready been through. second lawyers do not approach clients this isn't the movies.

[adam@section118]

1st. You just admitted yesterday this is NOT a small claims issue (post 79)

Unless you are going back on your word, you admitted this is NOT a small claims issue, so they are not limited to $5k per person

2. You are 1000% wrong. I have been approached by a lawyer before, and it was not while I was acting in a movie.

Why let facts get in the way of a good story, though, right?

[Texasaurus]

It was the NFL that made the superbowl a big deal. They've hyped it more and more every year and made it one of the biggest events of all time so that they can charge $800 for even the crappiest of seats.

But now that they've screwed up it's not a big deal? Nice try.



When your post consists of 'my guess is blah blah blah ... so obviously blah blah blah' then yes, you are drawing up a scenario.

Apparently your favorite technique is to simply argue against whatever someone posts no matter what that actually says. It didn't work for the black knight in The Holy Grail, and it's not working for you.



Really? So we all had sympathy for the woman who sued McDonalds when she spilled hot coffee on herself?

Not really. People laugh at frivolous lawsuits all the time. This isn't one of those times.

regardless of who made the big deal out of it, the point is there is a offer on the table which is more than generous dragging this
through the mud isn't doing anything but making bigger mountains out of mole hills..

[adam@section118]

isn't doing anything but making bigger mountains out of mole hills..

Which is exactly what the NFL DOES NOT want and this is why they are doing it. Becuase these people do not care about money (if they did they would have taken the deal) and instead want the NFL (and Jerry Jones indirectly) to pay for this utter eff up

It makes me smile

[Texasaurus]

1st. You just admitted yesterday this is NOT a small claims issue (post 79)

Unless you are going back on your word, you admitted this is NOT a small claims issue, so they are not limited to $5k per person

2. You are 1000% wrong. I have been approached by a lawyer before, and it was not while I was acting in a movie.

Why let facts get in the way of a good story, though, right?

I have all ways stood by the comment made of small claims never have I turned away from that and yes the most a small claims case is
allowed in a awarded judgment is 5 thousand, so when and if they win the case the litigants will come away with nothing and then you will
find a new reason to whine and cry

[Henry]

regardless of who made the big deal out of it, the point is there is a offer on the table which is more than generous dragging this
through the mud isn't doing anything but making bigger mountains out of mole hills..

I thought it was about greed... you should get your story straight.

Of course 'dragging this through the mud' is doing something. It's keeping this story in the news. It's giving the NFL a bigger black eye than it wants.

Someone, somewhere, might have noted this a few pages ago ...

[Texasaurus]

Which is exactly what the NFL DOES NOT want and this is why they are doing it. Becuase these people do not care about money (if they did they would have taken the deal) and instead want the NFL (and Jerry Jones indirectly) to pay for this utter eff up

It makes me smile

of course they care about the money nobody wants to walk away from a case with no compensation for what they lost..

---------- Post added February-11th-2011 at 10:02 AM ----------


I thought it was about greed... you should get your story straight.

Of course 'dragging this through the mud' is doing something. It's keeping this story in the news. It's giving the NFL a bigger black eye than it wants.

Someone, somewhere, might have noted this a few pages ago ...

They want the suit nobody else

[adam@section118]

I have all ways stood by the comment made of small claims never have I turned away from that and yes the most a small claims case is
allowed in a awarded judgment is 5 thousand, so when and if they win the case the litigants will come away with nothing and then you will
find a new reason to whine and cry

Were you not the one who wrote the following reply?




What about this post? Is that all a lie some lie being spread by the courts?

The types of claims that cannot be filed in the small claims division are those for:

•libel or slander
•prejudgment remedies
•imjunctive relief
•specific performance
•class actions
•traffic violations
•criminal matters
•claims greater than $2500•forcible entry or detainer
•actions against this state; it's political subdivisions;
OR
•an officer or employee in an official capacity (i.e. State, County City, Salt River Project, etc.)

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...s/smallclaims/


That was the link I was referring to but since you are to busy spinning and ignoring I guess you failed to read where I acknowledged that

So to break it down:

A. The case is NOT a issue that will be heard in small claims court (because class action suits can not be heard in small claims court)

THEREFORE

B. They do not have a $5K limit

THEREFORE

C. There is nothing to complain about on my end, because as I stated yesterdaty (and you agreed to) I was correct that

THERFORE

D. The case is NOT a issue that will be heard in small claims court (because class action suits can not be heard in small claims court)

THEREFORE

E. There is no need for me to whine or complain about anything

BECAUSE

F. The case is NOT a issue that will be heard in small claims court (because class action suits can not be heard in small claims court)

[Texasaurus]

Yep that was the post I replied to and the link when clicked took you to the New Jersey courts which you failed to provide so here is the link

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/civil/civ-02.htm


Please remember that if you believe you are entitled to damages greater than the money limits, but still wish to sue in Small Claims, you give up your right to recover damages over the money limits. The additional money cannot be claimed later in a separate lawsuit.

*Not to exceed $5,000.

[adam@section118]

of course they care about the money nobody wants to walk away from a case with no compensation for what they lost..[COLOR="Gold"]


There are all kinds of reasons to sue, and I have seen (studied) plenty of cases where the suit was for $1, and the case was about something other then money

---------- Post added February-11th-2011 at 10:09 AM ----------


Yep that was the post I replied to and the link when clicked took you to the New Jersey courts which you failed to provide so here is the link

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/civil/civ-02.htm

Weird, my link is coming up dead. Thank you

So, you are agreeing it is not a small claims issue but you are arguing it is a smaill claims issue at the same time?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p0iepi291UE/TO0yknuznjI/AAAAAAAAAv0/DzAz0lLKdW4/s1600/drunk-college.jpg

[Texasaurus]

There are all kinds of reasons to sue, and I have seen (studied) plenty of cases where the suit was for $1, and the case was about something other then money

The litigant is a fool if he/she doesn't want the compensation..because merely winning the case is not what makes a statement..however if they want to suit
just to win the case. Jerruh and the NFL won't care if they have to pay out no money in compensation to those who were effected, both will resume normal
working parameters and eventually this will all blow over and that will be the end of it

[adam@section118]

Please remember that if you believe you are entitled to damages greater than the money limits, but still wish to sue in Small Claims, you give up your right to recover damages over the money limits. The additional money cannot be claimed later in a separate lawsuit.

*Not to exceed $5,000.

Right, which is exactly why they would NOT stay in small claims court.

Didn't we have someone post a link yesterday to like 5 articles that ALL said this would be a federal case

[Texasaurus]

Small Claims is one of three sections of the Superior Court's Special Civil Part. The other two sections are Landlord/Tenant and regular Special Civil Part. Small Claims handles cases in which the demand is not more than $3,000 or $5,000 if the demand is for the return of a tenant's security deposit. These are the money limits of Small Claims. If the amount of money you are trying to recover is more than the money limits, but less than $15,000, your case should be filed in the regular Special Civil Part. Cases in which damages are more than $15,000 must be filed in the Law Division of the Superior Court.

If you believe you are entitled to damages greater than the money limits but still wish to sue in Small Claims, you give up your right to recover damages over the money limits. The additional money cannot be claimed later in a separate lawsuit.

[adam@section118]

The litigant is a fool if he/she doesn't want the compensation..because merely winning the case is not what makes a statement..however if they want to suit
just to win the case. Jerruh and the NFL won't care if they have to pay out no money in compensation to those who were effected, both will resume normal
working parameters and eventually this will all blow over and that will be the end of it

That is your OPINION.

Some people do not care about money, they only want the status (or to have the case bring up so much bad PR it hurts the person or entity they are suing.)

Oh, and I bet you money Dallas does not get a SB for quite some time, and this issue will come up anytime peopl talk about Dallas getting a SB. So now, it will not be "normal" for Jerry Jones for quite some time (and this negative PR and the fact this is still in the news is not helping him)

For all of our sakes, I hope everything goes back to normal, but if there is no new CBA nothing will change, and this story will stay in the headlines are the union argues the NFL only cares about $ and that they do not respect the fans, only their $

ANd by default, that keeps Jerry Jones and this disaster in the news.

That makes me smile

---------- Post added February-11th-2011 at 10:25 AM ----------


If the amount of money you are trying to recover is more than the money limits, but less than $15,000, your case should be filed in the regular Special Civil Part. Cases in which damages are more than $15,000 must be filed in the Law Division of the Superior Court.

If you believe you are entitled to damages greater than the money limits but still wish to sue in Small Claims, you give up your right to recover damages over the money limits. The additional money cannot be claimed later in a separate lawsuit


(where is the link?)

So are you going to say they would give up any additional money they would get and not take it to to special civil part?

You better bet the lawyers will not have this heard in small claims court, and instead will take it to where ever they get the most money (the special civil or law division of the Superior Court)

Not that is matter. I still say this settles, just not any time soon

[Texasaurus]

Like I said that is fine if they want no money they are the fools nobody else Jerruh won't be losing sleep and his 91.3 million
that he made will certainly benefit him

[adam@section118]

Like I said that is fine if they want no money they are the fools nobody else Jerruh won't be losing sleep and his 91.3 million
that he made will certainly benefit him



So you are finally admitting you were wrong about small claims court. Again.

Well, like others have said numerous times, this is not about $$$, this is about a lot more then $$$, though I am sure all involved will get some $$$ when all things are said and done

Oh, and Jerry may have 91.3M, but you better bet he is pissed about this bad PR.

That makes me smile

[Texasaurus]

Nope I am saying that if they just want to win the case and do not care about the money as you suggest..then go ahead and just want to win the case,
in the end it will prove nothing, the NFL will go back to Cowboys stadium to host another super bowl. Jerruh will enjoy his 91.3 million, The NFL will not
have to give away all expenses payed trips to future super bowls..or triple the money back, all these things make me smile

[adam@section118]

Nope I am saying that if they just want to win the case and do not care about the money as you suggest..then go ahead and just want to win the case,
in the end it will prove nothing, the NFL will go back to Cowboys stadium to host another super bowl. Jerruh will enjoy his 91.3 million, The NFL will not
have to give away all expenses payed trips to future super bowls..or triple the money back, all these things make me smile


The NFL WILL give them the all expense trip + tickets

The NFL WILL have to pay them a settlement amount

The NFL WILL NOT have a SB in Dallas anytime soon. Your city screwed that up with this fiasco, plus with the weather being handled so poorly.

All these things make me smile

[onedrop]

Nope I am saying that if they just want to win the case and do not care about the money as you suggest..then go ahead and just want to win the case,
in the end it will prove nothing, the NFL will go back to Cowboys stadium to host another super bowl. Jerruh will enjoy his 91.3 million, The NFL will not
have to give away all expenses payed trips to future super bowls..or triple the money back, all these things make me smile

so you are admitting to going about your daily "life" grinning like an idiot while pondering "ifs"?

[Texasaurus]

The NFL WILL give them the all expense trip + tickets

The NFL WILL have to pay them a settlement amount

The NFL WILL NOT have a SB in Dallas anytime soon. Your city screwed that up with this fiasco, plus with the weather being handled so poorly.

All these things make me smile

This fiasco as you call it will not deter the NFL from calling on Jerruh to host another super bowl game..and wasn't it you who said that this was
not about the money??? so clearly the NFL doesn't need to pay out nothing which again makes me smile

[Tweedr01]

Why provide a link to either of those questions?? I've been through the small claims matter I don't need to provide pointless links to back up
what I have all ready been through. second lawyers do not approach clients this isn't the movies.
Lol, because no one will take you seriously. You saying that you have done this before so you don't need to provide any evidence is like me saying I was on the Redskins SB winning team so I know what's best for the Redskins right now, lol.

You haven't provided proof that you have done this before, so we can't take that as factual evidence, and even if you have done something like this before, it is not the same as this case. Can you please provide the last time the NFL and the Dallass Failboys have been sued in a class action lawsuit in regards to selling tickets to seats at a SB that they didn't have? Didn't think so....

regardless of who made the big deal out of it, the point is there is a offer on the table which is more than generous dragging this
through the mud isn't doing anything but making bigger mountains out of mole hills..
hahahahahahaha, the point is you are flip-floppin guy, first it was 'well the greedy fans are making a big deal', now that someone pointed out the NFL made this a big deal it's 'regardless of who made the big deal out of it', you should be a politician....

Yep that was the post I replied to and the link when clicked took you to the New Jersey courts which you failed to provide so here is the link

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/civil/civ-02.htm
links dead, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth now

Right, which is exactly why they would NOT stay in small claims court.

Didn't we have someone post a link yesterday to like 5 articles that ALL said this would be a federal case
yes

so you are admitting to going about your daily "life" grinning like an idiot while pondering "ifs"?
yes

[onedrop]

This fiasco as you call it will not deter the NFL from calling on Jerruh to host another super bowl game..and wasn't it you who said that this was
not about the money??? so clearly the NFL doesn't need to pay out nothing which again makes me smile

so your stance is that the nfl needs to payout something, and that makes you smile?

[Tweedr01]

This fiasco as you call it will not deter the NFL from calling on Jerruh to host another super bowl game..and wasn't it you who said that this was
not about the money??? so clearly the NFL doesn't need to pay out nothing which again makes me smile
yes, yes it will, the only thing that benefits the NFL = $, the only thing that hurts the NFL = Bad PR

your cryptkeeper owner is taking an already bad time in the NFL (CBA) and just creating more drama. in fact, I'd say this is worse than the CBA. the CBA at least isn't taking money directly out of fans hands, Jerruh's situation is definitely taking money right outta their hands.

[adam@section118]

You can think what you want, but the NFL will think twice before having it in Dallas again.

I beleive I said it is not ONLY about money, nowhere did I say "They are going to walk away with $1"

So the only thing clear here is the bad publicity the NFL and Jerry Jones are going to face.

Which again makes me smile

[Tweedr01]

This fiasco as you call it will not deter the NFL from calling on Jerruh to host another super bowl game..and wasn't it you who said that this was
not about the money??? so clearly the NFL doesn't need to pay out nothing which again makes me smile
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O9Wo_04hYVw/TJBRSD39e2I/AAAAAAAAATI/bQTrRKpEfJc/s1600/blogging-demotivational-poster.jpg

[Texasaurus]

according to Johnny Cochran Jr this is not about money so go ahead and win the case and neither party has to shell out any money
which makes me smile, not to mention the NFL will be using the stadium again for future super bowls

[onedrop]

according to Johnny Cochran Jr this is not about money so go ahead and win the case and neither party has to shell out any money
which makes me smile, not to mention the NFL will be using the stadium again for future super bowls

just because a point of principle is being made doesnt mean no money will be awarded. are you really this stupid?

[Texasaurus]

They don't want the money so fine don't take it Jerruh ain't losing sleep

[adam@section118]

according to Johnny Cochran Jr this is not about money so go ahead and win the case and neither party has to shell out any money
which makes me smile, not to mention the NFL will be using the stadium again for future super bowls

Johnny Cochran Jr said that NO MONEY WILL BE AWARDED?

If not, then your logic fails and once again you are wrong.

Cowboys stadium may be used in the future, but it will not be any time soon

[Tweedr01]

just because a point of principle is being made doesnt mean no money will be awarded. are you really this stupid?
no he's just getting upset, sounds like he's throwing in the towel, this should have been done, what? 4 pages ago?

[Texasaurus]

Your words not mine this is not about money so fine with me no compensation awarded and no throwing in
the towel

[adam@section118]

It is possible to have a case that is

A. Not about the money

AND

B. Still be awarded money

[onedrop]

Your words not mine this is not about money so fine with me no compensation awarded and no throwing in
the towel

yo einstein......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages

[Texasaurus]

It is possible to have a case that is

A. Not about the money

AND

B. Still be awarded money

not according you

[adam@section118]

Really?

I could have sworn all along I have said this case is not about the money, though they will still get paid a decent amount of $$$

I will send you a check for $100 if you can find me where I said otherwise in this very thread.

[Park City Skins]

Wow. Texasaurus. You really suck at this.

[Hitman21ST]

Wow. Texasaurus. You really suck at this.


not according you

Welcome to the winner of the "Thread with the most facepalms award" thread, brought to you by Texasaurus

[onedrop]

Welcome to the winner of the "Thread with the most facepalms award" thread, brought to you by Texasaurus

seriously. we would have better luck conversing with a random text generator. have of tex's "replies" have nothing to do with the subject matter or simply make no sense whatsoever.

[Hitman21ST]

seriously. we would have better luck conversing with a random text generator. have of tex's "replies" have nothing to do with the subject matter or simply make no sense whatsoever.

What, you're saying the "everyone is a fan of the Cowboys, whether they like them or not" post, or his "I'm the only person in the free world who doesn't care about the 31 other teams" post, that he put on a Redskins message board, didn't make sense?

[onedrop]

What, you're saying the "everyone is a fan of the Cowboys, whether they like them or not" post, or his "I'm the only person in the free world who doesn't care about the 31 other teams" post, that he put on a Redskins message board, didn't make sense?

oh, i understand the words singularly. its when tex attempts to string more than one or two together that its all reduced to incomprehensible blather.

[Texasaurus]

Just because I put it on here doesn't mean I care about the 31 other teams..In the end my defense is for Jerruh in this matter..

[onedrop]

Just because I put it on here doesn't mean I care about the 31 other teams..In the end my defense is for Jerruh in this matter..

so you took the time to join the board of a team that you dont care about to defend the guy that you think is a detriment to your chosen ball club? you love the Redskins, admit it.

[Texasaurus]

Nope I'll die a cowboys fan no matter what I think of Jerruh

[onedrop]

tex, you took the time to join and now post on a Redskins message board, therefore by your definition you are a Redskins fan. why dont you go ahead and change your sig to a Gibbs clip or maybe the 70 chip run?

[Hitman21ST]

Nope I'll die a cowboys fan no matter what I think of Jerruh

And you care enough about the Redskins and their fans to come post it on a message board incoherently

---------- Post added February-13th-2011 at 09:36 PM ----------

Mods, can Tex's avatar be "closet Redskins fan"

Please?

[Texasaurus]

still doesn't mean I care

[Hitman21ST]

still doesn't mean I care

"Look how much I don't care about other teams by posting in other teams' message boards"

If you REALLY didn't care, you would just go away

[Texasaurus]

You are talking about my team on your supposed message board, so if you didn't like fans coming here to talk about their
teams..you'd simply take this section away and fans would as you put it go away, As long as you want to bring up the
Cowboys I guess you are just going to have to deal with the fans who are their fans talking about them

[Hitman21ST]

You are talking about my team on your supposed message board, so if you didn't like fans coming here to talk about their teams..you'd simply take this section away and fans would as you put it go away, As long as you want to bring up the Cowboys I guess you are just going to have to deal with the fans who are their fans talking about them

I don't mind fans coming to talk, but at least try to be intelligible when you talk. Besides, you had to be interested enough in ExtremeSkins to come here in the first place, then register with ExtremeSkins, then start posting.

Let me say that again.

You cared enough to:
1. Come here

2. Register

3. Post

I could care less who you are a fan of. Just don't try to convince us that you don't care about the Redskins by doing the above three steps because there are some threads about the Cowboys.

If all you cared about was the Cowboys, you would go to CowboysZone, register there, and leave this corner of the internet alone. Hell, you could come here, lurk, and just read the threads for all we care without registering. Therefore, your mere presence here posting shows that you care enough about the Skins to come here. By your definition, that means that you are a Redskins fan, too.

[Texasaurus]

The obvious point here is I cared enough to want to talk about my team..which you are doing, so why shouldn't I join in on those
conversations??

[Hitman21ST]

The obvious point here is...

...you joined a REDSKINS message board to make those posts. Why? Because you care enough about the Redskins and their fans to come here and post.

If you really just cared about talking Cowboys, you would have gone over to CowboysZone and posted there. It's as simple as that. No matter what you try to sell us, the fact of the matter is that you chose to register and post on a Redskins message board and enter into discussions with us, when you could have done the same thing on CowboysZone, and people might have actually believed you when you say "I only care about the Cowboys"

Oh, and if all you cared about was the Cowboys, you wouldn't have talked about Al Davis ripping Calvin Johnson, Jeff Fisher leaving the Titans, Michael Vick, Chad Johnson, the Jets vs Joe Theismann, Kevin Kolb, the Patriots, or Philly (again and again). Just sayin

[onedrop]

tex, you keep saying "supposed" message board. so only one of two things can be true.

1) you dont feel that this site is worthy of the title "message board"

or

2) you dont really know what the word "supposed" means

which is it? this is the second direct question ive asked you. we all will see if you have the marbles to answer it.

[adam@section118]

You are talking about my team on your supposed message board, so if you didn't like fans coming here to talk about their
teams..you'd simply take this section away and fans would as you put it go away, As long as you want to bring up the
Cowboys I guess you are just going to have to deal with the fans who are their fans talking about them

What the hell does that even mean?

If this message board a figment of our imination?

We do know, however, that I have yet to hear back about my other issue which should be able to make you a easy $100.

---------- Post added February-14th-2011 at 08:45 AM ----------


tex, you keep saying "supposed" message board. so only one of two things can be true.
1) you dont feel that this site is worthy of the title "message board"
or
2) you dont really know what the word "supposed" means
which is it? this is the second direct question ive asked you. we all will see if you have the marbles to answer it.

@#$%$ You beat me to it.

[onedrop]

What the hell does that even mean?

If this message board a figment of our imination?

We do know, however, that I have yet to hear back about my other issue which should be able to make you a easy $100.

---------- Post added February-14th-2011 at 08:45 AM ----------



@#$%$ You beat me to it.

dont worry, youll get plenty of chances....most likely starting around 1:45pm today.

[Texasaurus]

...you joined a REDSKINS message board to make those posts. Why? Because you care enough about the Redskins and their fans to come here and post.

If you really just cared about talking Cowboys, you would have gone over to CowboysZone and posted there. It's as simple as that. No matter what you try to sell us, the fact of the matter is that you chose to register and post on a Redskins message board and enter into discussions with us, when you could have done the same thing on CowboysZone, and people might have actually believed you when you say "I only care about the Cowboys"

Oh, and if all you cared about was the Cowboys, you wouldn't have talked about Al Davis ripping Calvin Johnson, Jeff Fisher leaving the Titans, Michael Vick, Chad Johnson, the Jets vs Joe Theismann, Kevin Kolb, the Patriots, or Philly (again and again). Just sayin

No I joined because it was your fans who took the time to talk about my team..if this were a strictly Redskins board, Only talking about the Skins
do you think I would be here??? No way, so obviously I am here because you love to obsess over what the Cowboys are doing, and no it isn't b/c
you "hate" them many of you weren't even a second thought when the real rivalry days were going on. Those were days of hate, this is nothing in
comparison. all we have now are a bunch of 2nd generation wannabe's pretending they know what the hate was like.

[onedrop]

No I joined because it was your fans who took the time to talk about my team.

and how did you know about the discussions contained on this message board?

[adam@section118]

and how did you know about the discussions contained on this message board?

This makes me smile

---------- Post added February-14th-2011 at 02:46 PM ----------


many of you weren't even a second thought

Can someone please explain what the #$%^ this means?


all we have now are a bunch of 2nd generation wannabe's pretending they know what the hate was like.

Did he (or she) just insult themselves while trying to insult another person or party? :ols:

[Texasaurus]

Can someone please explain what the #$%^ this means?

It means you were not even a twinkle in daddies eye when the real hate between Dallas and Washington was
going on..many of you joined when Gibbs tried to take the mantle of hate, from then head coach George Allen
making you wannabe haters to the real days of hate between the two franchises


Did he (or she) just insult themselves while trying to insult another person or party? :ols:

No insult the truth


and how did you know about the discussions contained on this message board?

if you think you are the only Redskins board who talks about the Cowboys you are sadly mistaking

[onedrop]

It means you were not even a twinkle in daddies eye when the real hate between Dallas and Washington was
going on..many of you joined when Gibbs tried to take the mantle of hate, from then head coach George Allen
making you wannabe haters to the real days of hate between the two franchises



No insult the truth



if you think you are the only Redskins board who talks about the Cowboys you are sadly mistaking



dont avoid the question. i asked how you heard people were talking about "your" team on THIS message board. and while were at it, answer my other question...ill ask it again so you dont hurt yourself looking around.

you keep saying "supposed message board"

so, do you think that ExtremeSkins isnt good enough to be considered a real message board OR do you not know the meaning of the word "supposed"?

[Texasaurus]

I said supposed team eluding to the fact, that you are Redskins fans talking about the Dallas Cowboys..the second part of your
"?" it is clear on what you are trying to do and sadly it ain't gonna work, see I have been around the block more than a few times
to see how this line of baiting and hooking works, If I say I peeked in to the board, then it makes me a troll, or bandwagon or a
fair weather fan..

well neither of that is my case, the truth is as a writer I like to see if my blogs are ever talked about and one board
this board in particular seems to enjoy what I write in my blogs..that should answer your 2nd "?"

[onedrop]

I said supposed team eluding to the fact, that you are Redskins fans talking about the Dallas Cowboys..the second part of your
"?" it is clear on what you are trying to do and sadly it ain't gonna work, see I have been around the block more than a few times
to see how this line of baiting and hooking works, If I say I peeked in to the board, then it makes me a troll, or bandwagon or a
fair weather fan..

well neither of that is my case, the truth is as a writer I like to see if my blogs are ever talked about and one board
this board in particular seems to enjoy what I write in my blogs..that should answer your 2nd "?"

no you didnt say supposed team. you said, more than once, "supposed message board". so answer the question.

you claimed you were only here because us talking about your team somehow cause you to be here, here specifically. i want to know how you ended up here, that is all. you a writer? just because you own a keyboard and bang on it incoherently doesn make you a writer.

please, if anyone that frequents ES follows this fools blogs please let us know. tex, i wouldnt hold my breath if i were you.

now you have resorted to outright lying. you sink lower with every attempt.

[Hitman21ST]

I said supposed team

Really?


You are talking about my team on your supposed message board, so if you didn't like fans coming here to talk about their teams..you'd simply take this section away and fans would as you put it go away, As long as you want to bring up the Cowboys I guess you are just going to have to deal with the fans who are their fans talking about them



eluding to the fact,

Who or what are we "eluding" (as in avoiding) to get to the fact? I think you mean "alluding"


that you are Redskins fans talking about the Dallas Cowboys..the second part of your "?" it is clear on what you are trying to do and sadly it ain't gonna work, see I have been around the block more than a few times to see how this line of baiting and hooking works, If I say I peeked in to the board, then it makes me a troll, or bandwagon or a fair weather fan.

Actually, we would prefer you just peek in and read. That's not what a troll, bandwagon, or fair weather fan does. You're still avoiding how you figured out about ExtremeSkins...then you took the time and cared enough to register and start posting.


well neither of that is my case, the truth is as a writer I like to see if my blogs are ever talked about and one board this board in particular seems to enjoy what I write in my blogs..that should answer your 2nd "?"

Just because you write doesn't make you a writer. A writer wouldn't make nearly as many egregious spelling, grammatical, and syntax errors that you do. Posting on Bleacher Report also doesn't make you a writer. They take everyone's submissions.

We "enjoy" what you write because it barely makes sense and is so full of Puke homerism that we can't help but smile. Stop trying to stroke your ego. Jerruh does enough of that for your entire fanbase.

[Texasaurus]

The truth all ways makes perfect sense maybe this is why you are having such a hard time understanding it

[onedrop]

The truth all ways makes perfect sense maybe this is why you are having such a hard time understanding it

"always"

nice writing skills.

now stop avoiding the question. why is ES a "supposed message board"?

[Hitman21ST]

The truth all ways makes perfect sense maybe this is why you are having such a hard time understanding it

You mean the truth that you wrote "supposed message board?"

Or that you're not really a writer?

Or all of our questions that you are eluding. See? That's how the word is used properly.

[GhostofSparta]

Actually, we would prefer you just peek in and read. That's not what a troll, bandwagon, or fair weather fan does. You're still avoiding how you figured out about ExtremeSkins...then you took the time and cared enough to register and start posting.
As of his last post, he has 387 posts. He joined in November of last year. So being generous and assuming he joined November 1, that's 387 posts in 106 days, which translates into just over 3.65 posts per day. On the "supposed" message board of a team he "supposedly" doesn't care about.

Just because you write doesn't make you a writer. A writer wouldn't make nearly as many egregious spelling, grammatical, and syntax errors that you do. Posting on Bleacher Report also doesn't make you a writer. They take everyone's submissions.

I know the internet is full of horrific grammar and spelling mistakes (and we're all prone to it from time to time) but either Tex is a bored 13 year old who is failing English, or his editor has the most demanding job in the literary world. Maybe Tex could afford to take a college English course or 2 if he wasn't so greedy.

[Hitman21ST]

Maybe Tex could afford to take a college English course or 2 if he wasn't so greedy.

http://captionsearch.com/pix/2rub7eoeem.jpg

[Bubble Screen]

No way this guy is a writer! lol.

[ConnSKINS26]

I know! He's Matt Mosley! :ols:

[Texasaurus]

First I had to use this quote on a Cowboys fan now I am having to use it on all of you, this is not about the Redskins so attempt to stay on topic,
what this is about are a bunch of people (all of you) who have sought to talk about the Cowboys, then attempt to claim this is a Redskins MB
well, I can tell you, the way you obsess over the Cowboys, you might as well just come out of the closet and change the colors and banner to
more appropriate colors

Let's just say a nice silver and blue color..with a name that is more fitting like extremcowboys

[ConnSKINS26]

First I had to use this quote on a Cowboys fan now I am having to use it on all of you, this is not about the Redskins so attempt to stay on topic,
what this is about are a bunch of people (all of you) who have sought to talk about the Cowboys, then attempt to claim this is a Redskins MB
well, I can tell you, the way you obsess over the Cowboys, you might as well just come out of the closet and change the colors and banner to
more appropriate colors

Let's just say a nice silver and blue color..with a name that is more fitting like extremcowboys

Your continued lack of spelling/grammar know-how is amusing, I'll give you that.

But this is weak. Maybe you should venture on over to "The Stadium" forum, where every ****ing thing discussed is about the Redskins.

This forum, which you are currently stinking up with your smelly Cowboy bull****, is called "Around the NFL". You know, to discuss teams other than the Skins...like the Cowboys.

So we obviously talk about the teams that have the most non-Skins fans on the board...the Cowboys and the Eagles. Occasionally the Giants. You know, our rivals, who come here to talk football.

It blows my mind that you don't understand these basic facts, which make it obvious why the Cowboys are discussed so often in the APPROPRIATE forum of the Official Washington Redskins Message Board.

[Mooka]

First I had to use this quote on a Cowboys fan now I am having to use it on all of you, this is not about the Redskins so attempt to stay on topic,
what this is about are a bunch of people (all of you) who have sought to talk about the Cowboys, then attempt to claim this is a Redskins MB
well, I can tell you, the way you obsess over the Cowboys, you might as well just come out of the closet and change the colors and banner to
more appropriate colors

Let's just say a nice silver and blue color..with a name that is more fitting like extremcowboys You've spun yourself backwards into severe mental retardation. :ols:

This topic is specifically about the Dallas Cowboys, not some random discussion. Its the biggest story in football right now besides the CBA until the combine starts. (or doesn't)


Sorry Cowboys homer. You are not special. All your homer friends on the Cowboy message boards have the exact same arguments as you do on this seating fiasco. So why don't you go back to your little friends and stop trying to pretend you're being original by posting on other boards.

[Hitman21ST]

Your continued lack of spelling/grammar know-how is amusing, I'll give you that.

But this is weak. Maybe you should venture on over to "The Stadium" forum, where every ****ing thing discussed is about the Redskins.

This forum, which you are currently stinking up with your smelly Cowboy bull****, is called "Around the NFL". You know, to discuss teams other than the Skins...like the Cowboys.

So we obviously talk about the teams that have the most non-Skins fans on the board...the Cowboys and the Eagles. Occasionally the Giants. You know, our rivals, who come here to talk football.

It blows my mind that you don't understand these basic facts, which make it obvious why the Cowboys are discussed so often in the APPROPRIATE forum of the Official Washington Redskins Message Board.

To top it all off Tex, what the hell is up with your random line endings? With as "experienced" a writer you claim to be, you should know that the lines of text automatically move to the next line, without you having to hit enter every time. This makes for a much more readable post.

Take a jaunt over into The Stadium and tell me what you see, then try to argue that this is a Cowboys Message Board. Of course, knowing you and your M.O., you're just going to ignore everything I say, continue to claim that this should be a Cowboys Message Board, and try to pass off your inane babbling as writing.

Then again, that takes common sense, something that you appear to not know about.

[onedrop]

no you didnt say supposed team. you said, more than once, "supposed message board". so answer the question.

you claimed you were only here because us talking about your team somehow cause you to be here, here specifically. i want to know how you ended up here, that is all. you a writer? just because you own a keyboard and bang on it incoherently doesn make you a writer.

please, if anyone that frequents ES follows this fools blogs please let us know. tex, i wouldnt hold my breath if i were you.

now you have resorted to outright lying. you sink lower with every attempt.

lets try this another way, one that maybe our friend tex can comprehend.....

tecks, our yew evur gonna antser the quest-shun as too why eck-stream skins is ah "supposed message bored"?

[adam@section118]

It means you were not even a twinkle in daddies eye when the real hate between Dallas and Washington was
going on..many of you joined when Gibbs tried to take the mantle of hate, from then head coach George Allen
making you wannabe haters to the real days of hate between the two franchises


Wow, you really are an idiot.

You are right, I was not a twinkly in daddys eyes. I was a young man....




No insult the truth

So you are admitting you are a 2nd generation wannabee.

Kid, just stop while you are behind. Jeeze, what are you, 12?

Were you even alive in the 90's?



if you think you are the only Redskins board who talks about the Cowboys you are sadly mistaking[/QUOTE]

---------- Post added February-14th-2011 at 08:24 PM ----------

1. My $100 offer still stands...if you have the balls to back it up.

2. If you are a writer, I am Bruce effing Willis and banging Beyonce

Hint, your full of **** and your gig is played out. Go home and go play with the other Cowboys fans, where you can laugh about how greedy your owner is and how you cannot wait for him to die.

[Roger.Staubach]

Sorry Cowboys homer. You are not special. All your homer friends on the Cowboy message boards have the exact same arguments as you do on this seating fiasco.

Actually, I would like to disagree...

1. Tex is special. VERY special.
2. I would disagree with the 'friends on the Cowboys message boards' comment but I doubt that he has any friends over there either.

[Hitman21ST]

Actually, I would like to disagree...

1. Tex is special. VERY special.
2. I would disagree with the 'friends on the Cowboys message boards' comment but I doubt that he has any friends over there either.

Cue Tex thinking the "Tex is special" comment is a compliment.

[onedrop]

Cue Tex thinking the "Tex is special" comment is a compliment.

tex? "thinking"? bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Hitman21ST]

tex? "thinking"? bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yeah, I guess I'm giving him too much credit...

[Forehead]

They look to take advantage of grabbing all the cash they can get out of it, They seriously sound like Maude Flanders
whining about the children

You know, I can put up with Tex being a dip**** Cowboys fan, or a complete blithering idiot when it comes to the law. It's fine, everyone has their flaws, some more prominent than others.

But when you **** up Simpsons stuff, you are crossing the line. Pay some god damned attention for once in this thread. This is Maude Flanders.

http://www.happyworker.com/files/image/maud.jpg

Wife of Ned Flanders, mother of Rod and Todd Flanders, deceased due to T-Shirt cannon accident.

This is Helen Lovejoy.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_P8n0J5nF3I0/S5Wb9RC_8lI/AAAAAAAAB0U/N5SgQgB1-eo/s400/HelenLovejoy.jpg

Wife of Reverend Timothy Lovejoy. Pictured here with her famous catchphrase that you have managed to **** up. Will you please go choke on something and go away, you pile of garbage wrapped in human skin?

[Hitman21ST]

Let's see now...

Stuff Tex has ****ed up:

Grammar
Spelling
Syntax
Common Sense
The Simpsons
The Blogging Industry
The Law
Answering Direct Questions
Proving Himself Right

...more to be added later

[adam@section118]

Let's see now...

Stuff Tex has ****ed up:

Grammar
Spelling
Syntax
Common Sense
The Simpsons
The Blogging Industry

...more to be added later

Don't forget the law (though he did admit he was wrong, though I think he may have later retracted that)

(Who wants to place a bet that he has to look up what "retracted" means before he calls us "lozers")

[onedrop]

Let's see now...

Stuff Tex has ****ed up:

Grammar
Spelling
Syntax
Common Sense
The Simpsons
The Blogging Industry
The Law

...more to be added later

dont forget the failure to even acknowledge much less answer direct questions.

[adam@section118]

dont forget the failure to even acknowledge much less answer direct questions.

Nonsense.

Not like I posted this and NEVER heard a reply back

Really?



I could have sworn all along I have said this case is not about the money, though they will still get paid a decent amount of $$$



I will send you a check for $100 if you can find me where I said otherwise in this very thread.

[onedrop]

Nonsense.

Not like I posted this and NEVER heard a reply back

no no no, you have it all wrong. that is another failure entirely. specifically to rise to the challenge to validate ones idiotic statement. please adam get tex's shortcomings straight.

[doncherry]

It means you were not even a twinkle in daddies eye when the real hate between Dallas and Washington was
going on..many of you joined when Gibbs tried to take the mantle of hate, from then head coach George Allen
making you wannabe haters to the real days of hate between the two franchises

this makes it sound as if you think that Gibbs succeeded George Allen. He did not. Jack Pardee came after George Allen. Gibbs was hired after Jack Pardee. Just to know....

[Tweedr01]

this makes it sound as if you think that Gibbs succeeded George Allen. He did not. Jack Pardee came after George Allen. Gibbs was hired after Jack Pardee. Just to know....
dang even his fellow fans are calling him out, btw good catch for a dallass fan :)

[Texasaurus]

By the way how nice of you to now hijack the thread since you really have no answer against what I say, your tactics obviously do not
work and now it has come down to this, so do me a favor since this topic can no longer continue..just close it and be done with it and
move on..believe me there will be plenty more for you to cry about in other threads that talk about the Cowboys

[adam@section118]

http://helvetin16.com/666/images/admitnothing.jpg

http://www.thechinaexpat.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/broken-record.jpg

P.S. That is a record. It came before the IPOD, or even the CD player, though you probably have no clue what they is either

[onedrop]

By the way how nice of you to now hijack the thread since you really have no answer against what I say, your tactics obviously do not
work and now it has come down to this, so do me a favor since this topic can no longer continue..just close it and be done with it and
move on..believe me there will be plenty more for you to cry about in other threads that talk about the Cowboys

look junior. answer the direct questions asked of YOU based on the tripe you spew forth.

why do you refer to ES as a "supposed message board"?

why did you lie about stating such?

for the record, no one has answers to what you say because no one understands what the hell youre talking about.

[adam@section118]

look junior. answer the direct questions asked of YOU based on the tripe you spew forth.

why do you refer to ES as a "supposed message board"?

why did you lie about stating such?

for the record, no one has answers to what you say because no one understands what the hell youre talking about.


http://www.hotdogprofits.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/winner-winner-chicken-dinner.png

[Mooka]

Actually, I would like to disagree...

1. Tex is special. VERY special.
2. I would disagree with the 'friends on the Cowboys message boards' comment but I doubt that he has any friends over there either. Eh, maybe your right.

Batman: Tell me where the joker is!
Maroni: I don't know he came to us.
Batman: He must have friends!
Maroni: Friends? You met this guy?

[ConnSKINS26]

:ols: :ols: :rotflmao:

Is this ****ing guy serious? There's an ENTIRE PAGE dedicated to ridiculing his bull****, and he comes back a day later with this weak ass ****.

Tex, you are the lamest excuse for a troll I've seen in a while. Probably since smiley was banned.

And if you're a writer, I'm Scarlett Johansson's favorite ****buddy. Its just as likely.

[Forehead]

Can we add a list of things Tex has managed to get right?

1. Remembering to breathe, to the detriment of this board and society at large.

[ConnSKINS26]

2. Supports every Cowboy-fan stereotype in existence: he can't spell, make an argument, comprehend what he's reading or address it head-on, tell his ass from his elbow on a daily basis (judging from his posts), and fails to even make a passable attempt at NOT being an ignorant jackass.

[Zazzaro703]

Because bottom line it is being greedy..Look the NFL has done enough apologizing over this and is willing to send folks to any
super bowl they want in the future and even willing to pay for it, plus tripling the compensation..but that is not good enough, so
clearly they are being greedy and risk coming away with nothing with the suit

Triple the refund or a trip to a future super-bowl is a freaking rip-off if you were a Packers fan and missed seeing your team win the big one. Might not get a chance to see it again. I would be freaking pissed as well.

[Texasaurus]

I refer to your fans as supposed Redskins fans..second it's crystal clear when the truth is revealed it's time to spin it away
just as you are doing now, last triple refund or future trip to a toilet bowl game..all expenses payed is no slap in the face
in fact, it's a dam generous offer for those displaced..

[ConnSKINS26]

I refer to your fans as supposed Redskins fans..second it's crystal clear when the truth is revealed it's time to spin it away
just as you are doing now, last triple refund or future trip to a toilet bowl game..all expenses payed is no slap in the face
in fact, it's a dam generous offer for those displaced..

And not directly addressing anything written towards him continues.

Also, is English your second language? If it is, I need to know, so that I can stop making fun of your terrible communication skills, spelling, and grammar.

[jflow78]

Let's see now...

Stuff Tex has ****ed up:

Grammar
Spelling
Syntax
Common Sense
The Simpsons
The Blogging Industry
The Law
Answering Direct Questions
Proving Himself Right

...more to be added later

I agree with Conn. Tex is definitely Mosley. :ols:

[onedrop]

I refer to your fans as supposed Redskins fans..second it's crystal clear when the truth is revealed it's time to spin it away
just as you are doing now, last triple refund or future trip to a toilet bowl game..all expenses payed is no slap in the face
in fact, it's a dam generous offer for those displaced..

your words on multiple occasions were "supposed message board" you were directly asked numerous times about it and the closest you came to addressing the issue was to be dishonest, which is completely idiotic on your part considering the truth is there for all to see. therefore you are a liar. now here you are calling Redskins nation "supposed" fans while avoiding every direct question posed to you. therefore you are also a sniveling coward.

congratulations dumbass you have simultaneously humiliated yourself in front of your rivals fanbase, alienated the other cowboy fan members and brought general shame upon the entire dallass franchise with your overwhelming and epic stupidity.

will anyone, no matter team affiliation claim Tex? does anyone admit to following his blog? will anyone thats followed his bumbling, deflecting and outright lying now stand up and be counted with him?

[Hitman21ST]

will anyone, no matter team affiliation claim Tex? does anyone admit to following his blog? will anyone thats followed his bumbling, deflecting and outright lying now stand up and be counted with him?

No, because that means that, on some level, you actually had to agree with him on something.

[Texasaurus]

My words were supposed Redskins fans referring to you, who claim to be fans of the Skins but find your selves constantly whining about
Dallas..so why not change the board to ExtremeCowboys?? it's obvious you really don't care about the Skins, in any way, You are way
more interested in what Dallas is doing to the point of extreme obsession..Lmao you sound even worse than the frauds over on any one
of the Dallas Cowboys message board ROTFLMAO

[onedrop]

My words were supposed Redskins fans referring to you, who claim to be fans of the Skins but find your selves constantly whining about
Dallas..so why not change the board to ExtremeCowboys?? it's obvious you really don't care about the Skins, in any way, You are way
more interested in what Dallas is doing to the point of extreme obsession..Lmao you sound even worse than the frauds over on any one
of the Dallas Cowboys message board ROTFLMAO

the Redskins organization was kind enough to provide a place for people to discuss all things NFL, hence the name around the nfl. YOU should be respectful enough to read and follow the rules as well as not insult the ones that provide this "supposed" board on which you post your inane drivel. in case you havent noticed a request was made of ANYONE willing to stand beside you, your childish tactics and outright lies. no one has offered support for you yet, NO ONE. know why? because your poor conduct and infantile behavior is so asinine it unites your should be allies with your known enemies. your foolishness is disliked by EVERYONE.

after all that has been said all you can muster is the standard troll fare. youre a lightweight little boy, youre dismissed.

if for some reason you stick around show some respect for the team that makes it possible for you to even be here or you can go back to your supposed moms basement and pretend to be a writer.







douchebag.

[Flipsyde]

My words were supposed Redskins fans referring to you, who claim to be fans of the Skins but find your selves constantly whining about
Dallas..so why not change the board to ExtremeCowboys?? it's obvious you really don't care about the Skins, in any way, You are way
more interested in what Dallas is doing to the point of extreme obsession..Lmao you sound even worse than the frauds over on any one
of the Dallas Cowboys message board ROTFLMAO

Actually, your words were:


You are talking about my team on your supposed message board, so if you didn't like fans coming here to talk about their
teams..you'd simply take this section away and fans would as you put it go away, As long as you want to bring up the
Cowboys I guess you are just going to have to deal with the fans who are their fans talking about them

Back on topic: The nfl's offer is a generous one if you consider the dollar amount. But there is something very special about being at the Super Bowl. Even more special when your team is playing in the Super Bowl. And it is pretty close to euphoria when your team wins the Super Bowl and you are in attendance. Dollars cannot replace that feeling.

They have every right to sue. Whether they will win or not, is different. But I highly doubt the issue is money (or they would take the nfl's deal). Instead they want to make a point that screwing over the fans, your customers, in the name of higher revenues is going to have some consequences.

[renaissance]

This story is starting to get annoying. I understand these people missed the Superbowl. I can't imagine how pissed I would be if that happened to me. But when the NFL is offering you thousands of dollars, tickets + transportation + hotel to any future Superbowl of your choosing, etc, there has to be a point where you realize that it is just a football game. People get screwed all the time and life goes on. There is honestly nothing the NFL can do to "replace" what you missed out on, and to expect that millions of dollars is really going to fill that void - that makes you no different than the dumbass who sues McDonald's bc the coffee was too hot.

[Hitman21ST]

This story is starting to get annoying. I understand these people missed the Superbowl. I can't imagine how pissed I would be if that happened to me. But when the NFL is offering you thousands of dollars, tickets + transportation + hotel to any future Superbowl of your choosing, etc, there has to be a point where you realize that it is just a football game. People get screwed all the time and life goes on. There is honestly nothing the NFL can do to "replace" what you missed out on, and to expect that millions of dollars is really going to fill that void - that makes you no different than the dumbass who sues McDonald's bc the coffee was too hot.

The lawsuit story? Definitely getting annoying. Making fun of Tex for being a stereotypical troll Puke fan? Never gets old. He still has yet to answer direct questions or tell the truth, and he will continue his stance of admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations until he's blue in the face.


My words were supposed Redskins fans referring to you, who claim to be fans of the Skins but find your selves constantly whining about Dallas..so why not change the board to ExtremeCowboys?? it's obvious you really don't care about the Skins, in any way, You are way more interested in what Dallas is doing to the point of extreme obsession..Lmao you sound even worse than the frauds over on any one of the Dallas Cowboys message board ROTFLMAO

Again Tex, this is AROUND THE NFL, where we talk about things other than the Redskins. If you want to see the Redskins threads, shrivel on over to THE STADIUM. I guess that's too complicated for you though, so you'll just keep on keeping on with you inane arguments and sophomoric attitude.

So you don't have to look the underlined words up:

Inane: (adj) empty, vacant; lacking sense or meaning, foolish, silly

Sophomoric: (adj) immature, inexperienced

[adam@section118]

My words were supposed Redskins fans referring to you

Now we can add out right liar to the list


You are talking about my team on your supposed message board, so if you didn't like fans coming here to talk about their
teams..you'd simply take this section away and fans would as you put it go away, As long as you want to bring up the
Cowboys I guess you are just going to have to deal with the fans who are their fans talking about them

[Hitman21ST]

Now we can add out right liar to the list

He just can't keep his story straight...

[Texasaurus]

The lawsuit story? Definitely getting annoying. Making fun of Tex for being a stereotypical troll Puke fan? Never gets old. He still has yet to answer direct questions or tell the truth, and he will continue his stance of admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations until he's blue in the face.



Again Tex, this is AROUND THE NFL, where we talk about things other than the Redskins. If you want to see the Redskins threads, shrivel on over to THE STADIUM. I guess that's too complicated for you though, so you'll just keep on keeping on with you inane arguments and sophomoric attitude.

So you don't have to look the underlined words up:

Inane: (adj) empty, vacant; lacking sense or meaning, foolish, silly

Sophomoric: (adj) immature, inexperienced

Doesn't matter if this is a around the NFL forum..according to your fans this is a Redskins message board, so then keep it that way
and you never have to worry bout fans coming in and ruining your warped train of thought

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the Redskins organization was kind enough to provide a place for people to discuss all things NFL, hence the name around the nfl. YOU should be respectful enough to read and follow the rules as well as not insult the ones that provide this "supposed" board on which you post your inane drivel. in case you havent noticed a request was made of ANYONE willing to stand beside you, your childish tactics and outright lies. no one has offered support for you yet, NO ONE. know why? because your poor conduct and infantile behavior is so asinine it unites your should be allies with your known enemies. your foolishness is disliked by EVERYONE.

after all that has been said all you can muster is the standard troll fare. youre a lightweight little boy, youre dismissed.

if for some reason you stick around show some respect for the team that makes it possible for you to even be here or you can go back to your supposed moms basement and pretend to be a writer.







douchebag.

Your little rant reminds me of a child throwing a temper tantrum grow up junior and quit being such a putz

[Hitman21ST]

Doesn't matter if this is a around the NFL forum..according to your fans this is a Redskins message board, so then keep it that way and you never have to worry bout fans coming in and ruining your warped train of thought

I love it...someone who's been here a whole 4 months, trying to say how the boards should be run...

That's where you're wrong...Around the NFL is specifically FOR other than Redskin talk...you might want to at least read the rules before you post, then you might actually learn something. But then again, that would ruin your whole view on everything.

[onedrop]

Doesn't matter if this is a around the NFL forum..according to your fans this is a Redskins message board, so then keep it that way
and you never have to worry bout fans coming in and ruining your warped train of thought

---------- Post added February-16th-2011 at 12:44 PM ----------



Your little rant reminds me of a child throwing a temper tantrum grow up junior and quit being such a putz

ill make you a deal, ill consider your request if youll answer the question finally and agree to stop blatantly lying about what youve already stated.

[Texasaurus]

Monte Hall wants to make me a deal?? hmm take what is behind the curtain or in the box?? well then I'll take the deal

[onedrop]

Monte Hall wants to make me a deal?? hmm take what is behind the curtain or in the box?? well then I'll take the deal

great, so answer the question.

[Texasaurus]

I love it...someone who's been here a whole 4 months, trying to say how the boards should be run...

That's where you're wrong...Around the NFL is specifically FOR other than Redskin talk...you might want to at least read the rules before you post, then you might actually learn something. But then again, that would ruin your whole view on everything.

I wasn't the one crying over Cowboys fans being here..obviously if you had it your way, this board would never have a single Cowboys fan on it
so if that is how you feel, then in fact change it and make it that way..There is no crime in doing that at all..then you can lie to each other and
share warped thoughts. with out anyone ever having disturbed you

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great, so answer the question.

Ask it again???

[Hitman21ST]

I wasn't the one crying over Cowboys fans being here..obviously if you had it your way, this board would never have a single Cowboys fan on it so if that is how you feel, then in fact change it and make it that way..There is no crime in doing that at all..then you can lie to each other and share warped thoughts. with out anyone ever having disturbed you

No one's complaining about Cowboys fans being here...we're complaining about YOU being here, because your posts are idiotic.


Ask it again???

Why are you calling this a "supposed message board?"

[Park City Skins]

Ahem. :)

1) Texasaurus. About that whole Around the NFL Forum thing. You clearly want to consult the board's rules and guidelines. To make things really easy,you'll want to spend some time reading,(and very possibly rereading),the section that is addressed in the Read Me thread at the top of this forum. Then take a look at the section dealing with Trolling.
2) I wouldn't mind an answer to the question myself. I'd recommend being quick about it too.

[Texasaurus]

No one's complaining about Cowboys fans being here...we're complaining about YOU being here, because you posts are idiotic.

Lmao and lies keep right on coming..of course you complain about the Cowboys fans on here, or does Puke homer's not ring a bell???



Why are you calling this a "supposed message board?"

Because of the "supposed" fans that are on it..why do you even care about the Cowboys in the first place??
if they are as irrelevant as you claim. then there really is no need to talk about them, which leaves you all
the free time in the world..to discuss how the Skins will do at the start of the season. Or maybe the Boys
really aren't as irrelevant as you claim. so you have to obsess and take time away from your team to try
and make them irrelevant.

[onedrop]

Lmao and lies keep right on coming..of course you complain about the Cowboys fans on here, or does Puke homer's not ring a bell???




Because of the "supposed" fans that are on it..why do you even care about the Cowboys in the first place??
if they are as irrelevant as you claim. then there really is no need to talk about them, which leaves you all
the free time in the world..to discuss how the Skins will do at the start of the season. Or maybe the Boys
really aren't as irrelevant as you claim. so you have to obsess and take time away from your team to try
and make them irrelevant.

using your opinion about the quality of Redskins fans doesnt answer why you questioned the quality of this site by calling it a "supposed board", multiple times. nice try backing your way out of it but im calling BS. if you arent going to answer the question honestly simply spare us more of your lies. oh and you may want to look a couple of posts up.

[Park City Skins]

Interesting.

The first two have similar forums with several topics discussing,you guessed it,the Redskins.

http://www.cowboys-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?97-The-Rivals-Forum

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3


http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=112 (Please note the forum dedicated to "Smacking the Skins)."


You were saying something about "supposed?"

[Texasaurus]

What I have been getting at all this time, is that for a supposed Redskins board, you would think the fans on here would be spending their time
talking more about the Redskins and not worrying about a franchise who they claim is irrelevant

[adam@section118]

what i have been getting at all this time, is that for a supposed redskins board, you would think the fans on here would be spending their time
talking more about the redskins and not worrying about a franchise who they claim is irrelevant

ahem (post above you)


interesting.



The first two have similar forums with several topics discussing,you guessed it,the redskins.



http://www.cowboys-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?97-the-rivals-forum



http://cowboyszone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3





http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=112 (please note the forum dedicated to "smacking the skins)."





you were saying something about "supposed?"

[Texasaurus]

Interesting.

The first two have similar forums with several topics discussing,you guessed it,the Redskins.

http://www.cowboys-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?97-The-Rivals-Forum

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3


http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=112 (Please note the forum dedicated to "Smacking the Skins)."


You were saying something about "supposed?"

yep they do and I never claimed they were a real message board now did I??? which means they are a supposed board as well

[onedrop]

yep they do and I never claimed they were a real message board now did I??? which means they are a supposed board as well

quoted for posterity if not intelligence.




edit - tex, for future reference you may not want to tell a moderator of the board you are currently frequenting that said board isnt a "real message board"

[adam@section118]

You should open and run your own site.

[Park City Skins]

yep they do and I never claimed they were a real message board now did I??? which means they are a supposed board as well

:ols: Read: "**** I wasn't ready for that."

Look forward to seeing you join those message boards and discuss their "supposed" status with the membership.

[Hitman21ST]

yep they do and I never claimed they were a real message board now did I??? which means they are a supposed board as well

So what makes a "real" message board? And who made you lord over what content belongs on a message board?

We like to talk about Pukes, because every year, they get more and more inept, and it's nice to have a laugh once in a while. Thankfully, that's what you're here for.

[Texasaurus]

So what makes a "real" message board? And who made you lord over what content belongs on a message board?

Obviously I believe in just talking about my team and not wasting my time on what others are doing


We like to talk about Pukes, because every year, they get more and more inept, and it's nice to have a laugh once in a while. Thankfully, that's what you're here for.

Lie you talk about them because you so desperately want to be like them or better but can't