Arizona Minuteman Guilty of Murdering 9 year old girl and her father

[Prosperity]

(CNN) -- An Arizona jury on Monday convicted anti-illegal immigration activist Shawna Forde of murder in the killing of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter during a 2009 vigilante raid she led on their home.

The Pima County jury convicted Forde on eight counts, including two counts of murder for the shooting deaths of Raul Flores and his daughter, Brisenia, and the attempted murder of the child's mother, Gina Gonzales, at the family's rural Arivaca home on May 30, 2009.
The child and her father were American-born U.S. citizens.

The jury also convicted Forde on two counts of aggravated assault, and one count each of burglary, armed robbery and aggravated robbery.

The jury is scheduled to return Tuesday for the penalty phase of the trial.
Forde's alleged accomplices, Albert Robert Gaxiola and Jason Eugene Bush, are scheduled to go on trial later this year.

During the trial, prosecutors portrayed Forde as the ringleader of the hit squad, and said she had planned the raid and the murders to steal weapons, money and drugs to finance a new anti-illegal immigration outfit.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/14/arizona.double.killing.verdict/index.html?iref=NS1

[Burgold]

Sheesh... it's getting to be every time I hear "Arizona" I expect something bad to follow.

[Teller]

I'm as anti-illegal immigration as they come, but this guy deserves some seriously uncomfortable treatment in the bighouse.

[Henry]

I'm as anti-illegal immigration as they come, but this guy deserves some seriously uncomfortable treatment in the bighouse.

You mean girl. :)

And to be fair, this should be noted.


Forde once belonged to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps before she was removed for what former fellow members described as unstable behavior, according to news reports.

Forde then formed a splinter group, Minutemen American Defense. She led protests against illegal immigration and patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border armed with weapons.

[Popeman38]

I'm as anti-illegal immigration as they come, but this guy deserves some seriously uncomfortable treatment in the bighouse.SHE deserves some serious uncomfortable treatment. You kill a child, I will show you no pity....

[Riggo-toni]

Inbreeding...and people think country music is harmless.

[Teller]

Shawna, not Shawn. Sorry. Need that second cup of coffee.

[thebluefood]

Inexcusable. That all there is to say about this. She'll have plenty of time to think back on what she's done and I hope she repents.

[Dan T.]

Shawna Forde
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/shawnaforde.jpg

[twa]

Interesting tie in to illegal immigration....looks more like a drug heist/robbery
And illustrates the value of home defense

Murdering scum either way
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-na-border-activist-20110215,0,5862655.story

Authorities said Forde and two men dressed as law enforcement officers forced their way into Flores' home and then shot him, his daughter and his wife, Gina Gonzalez, who survived her injuries after getting into a gun battle with the attackers.

Flores was thought to be involved with drug trafficking, police said, but officers don't believe the assailants found much cash or drugs in the home.

A 911 recording released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department captured Gonzalez pleading for help after her husband and daughter were shot. She was heard crying out in pain from a gunshot wound and then becoming frantic as the attackers returned.

[Forehead]

Shawna Forde

Closest human representation of Gollum I've seen so far.

[Bang]

Hang her.

~Bang

[Teller]

Hang her.

~Bang

Missed opportunity there ~Hang. :)

[Bang]

Oops. Lets try...



Firing squad.

~Bang!

[JimboDaMan]

Interesting tie in to illegal immigration....looks more like a drug heist/robbery
And illustrates the value of home defense

Murdering scum either way
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-na-border-activist-20110215,0,5862655.story

Authorities said Forde and two men dressed as law enforcement officers forced their way into Flores' home and then shot him, his daughter and his wife, Gina Gonzalez, who survived her injuries after getting into a gun battle with the attackers.

Flores was thought to be involved with drug trafficking, police said, but officers don't believe the assailants found much cash or drugs in the home.

A 911 recording released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department captured Gonzalez pleading for help after her husband and daughter were shot. She was heard crying out in pain from a gunshot wound and then becoming frantic as the attackers returned.Well, the crazy homeland defenders thought there were drugs and cash there but the article states there was precious little to be found. Does not appear that these people were drug dealers.

[Teller]

Oops. Lets try...

Firing squad.

~Bang!

:ols:

:cheers:

[AsburySkinsFan]

Well, the crazy homeland defenders thought there were drugs and cash there but the article states there was precious little to be found. Does not appear that these people were drug dealers.

Yes, but we'll never pass up an opportunity to paint all undocumented immigrants as drug dealers.
Especially the 9 year old kid.
BTW, twa I'm certain that the "murdering scum either way" was not directed at the 9 year old.

[twa]

Well, the crazy homeland defenders thought there were drugs and cash there but the article states there was precious little to be found. Does not appear that these people were drug dealers.

Would it matter if there was?

What they were doing was robbery and murder ,not homeland defense or vigilantism.

ASF...the murdering scum is clearly those intent on armed robbery....but don't let me get in the way of your fantasies

[Burgold]

Are you trying to exonerate this woman's actions, ND?

Is this more blaming the victim?

[Burgold]

No burg as I said I don't show pity to those who kill or harm innocent children but lets not act as those this nut job who formed her own splinter group represent those who voluntarily patrol the borders the correct way or paint all minutemen and minutewomen as evil.

And yeah it does not hurt to show what happens in those Sanctuary cities and states when they do either catch and release or ignore when it comes to illegal aliens.

Okay, I'm cool with that. I certainly understand the need and want to protect the home. I just am wary of broad brush painting in both directions. Not every militia man is a racist xenophobe and not every illegal alien is a drug toting gun smuggling leach. (though to be fair, I was painting with a rather broad brush with my opening quip about Arizona. It just seems that for about two years all I hear is nuttiness and tragedy coming from that state)

[JimboDaMan]

Would it matter if there was?

What they were doing was robbery and murder ,not homeland defense or vigilantism.

ASF...the murdering scum is clearly those intent on armed robbery....but don't let me get in the way of your fantasiesOf course it wouldn't matter. Perhaps I misunderstood, I thought you were attempting to taint the victims by intimating that they were drug dealers, which they were not.

But your statement is not entirely true. The armed robbery was undertaken to finance freelance homeland "defense". This was absolutely connected to an anti-illegal-alien cause. Not trying to tie this to the "mainstream" (lol) minuteman groups, just noting this was armed robbery with a purpose.

[ACW]

What does it say that she was KICKED OUT of the Minutemen for being unstable?

[Destino]

No burg as I said I don't show pity to those who kill or harm innocent children but lets not act as those this nut job who formed her own splinter group represent those who voluntarily patrol the borders the correct way or paint all minutemen and minutewomen as evil.

And yeah it does not hurt to show what happens in those Sanctuary cities and states when they do either catch and release or ignore when it comes to illegal aliens.
I agree with you that you can't paint all the minute men with he actions of one splinter group. Does alarm me that this was a group though and not a person. The obvious question is "how many radical groups of this type exist" which the article doesn't answer.

As for the minutemen haven't they been bogged down in fraud allegations?

[nonniey]

Sheesh... it's getting to be every time I hear "Arizona" I expect something bad to follow.

What is bad about convicting this Scum? Really surprised that you (or anyone) would take her side in this.

[Destino]

What is bad about convicting his Scum? Really surprised that you (or anyone) would take her side in this.
This is hilarious.

[Bliz]

Yes, but we'll never pass up an opportunity to paint all undocumented immigrants as drug dealers.
Especially the 9 year old kid.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/14/arizona.double.killing.verdict/index.html?iref=NS1:
The child and her father were American-born U.S. citizens.

[AsburySkinsFan]

ASF...the murdering scum is clearly those intent on armed robbery....but don't let me get in the way of your fantasies
Funny I think the Bible has something to say about that either way. Interesting take you have though, because now murdering those who may have had the "intent" of robbery is now justifiable, not even murder but now we've managed to justify the murder of robbers. What's next?

*edit
It just occurred to me that you were calling the woman a "murdering scum", using murdering as an adjective more than a verb in reference to who she murdered.

If so I retract my statements.

[MassSkinsFan]

Closest human representation of Gollum I've seen so far.

I dunno - Jerry Jones is closer to Gollum IMO.

http://www.faithandgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/gollum.jpghttp://smartasssports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/jerry-jones.jpg

But, she is scary - she reminds me of that woman in Trenton, MI who was taunting the dying girl:

http://turbo.indyposted.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/backpain-1286649731.jpg

[nonniey]

This is hilarious.

Yep, Burg did set himself up a bit for that one.

[Predicto]

This is horrible, and not typical of anything.

With that said, she is hardly the only Minuteman with issues. Several of the leaders and most active members of various Minutemen groups have turned out to be criminals, racists, and so forth.

I suspect that when you are a group basically advocating going outside the law, packing heat and hunting down invading foreigners, you are going to attract more than your share of unsavory characters with issues -- even if the majority of your members are perfectly sincere. :whoknows:

[Jeeb]

Well, the crazy homeland defenders thought there were drugs and cash there but the article states there was precious little to be found. Does not appear that these people were drug dealers.

Returning fire is totally is evidence that she was a drug dealer. Only drug dealers know how to return fire.

---------- Post added February-15th-2011 at 12:57 PM ----------


Okay, I'm cool with that. I certainly understand the need and want to protect the home. I just am wary of broad brush painting in both directions. Not every militia man is a racist xenophobe and not every illegal alien is a drug toting gun smuggling leach. (though to be fair, I was painting with a rather broad brush with my opening quip about Arizona. It just seems that for about two years all I hear is nuttiness and tragedy coming from that state)

you do realize you just did the EXACT same thing you are railing against two posts above?

[twa]

Of course it wouldn't matter. Perhaps I misunderstood, I thought you were attempting to taint the victims by intimating that they were drug dealers, which they were not.

But your statement is not entirely true. The armed robbery was undertaken to finance freelance homeland "defense". This was absolutely connected to an anti-illegal-alien cause. Not trying to tie this to the "mainstream" (lol) minuteman groups, just noting this was armed robbery with a purpose.

You mean like those trying to taint the Minutemen?...No,I'm not that desperate.:ols:

The 'purpose' is speculation other than robbery in hopes of cash,drugs and weapons
The scum may be trying to use that for justification,or the prosecution simply playing games though

[Dan T.]

Nobody should use this crime to taint the Minutemen.


But as an aside, I do think that calling themselves "Minutemen" taints them. It irks me a bit that they co-opt that proud name for themselves.

[Destino]

You mean like those trying to taint the Minutemen?...No,I'm not that desperate.:ols:
The minutemen have been off the radar lately because of widespread fraud. I agree that THIS crime by a radical group (that before this story people would have denied existed) doesn't taint the minutemen. Fraud however does.

[Larry]

The minutemen have been off the radar lately because of widespread fraud. I agree that THIS crime by a radical group (that before this story people would have denied existed) doesn't taint the minutemen. Fraud however does.

Could you provide more information on that? (This story doesn't seem to have much to do with the Minutemen, to me. Maybe we can "hijack" it into being on-topic.)

[Burgold]

What is bad about convicting this Scum? Really surprised that you (or anyone) would take her side in this.

You really misread me. I was just noting how much insanity seems to be coming from citizens of that state recently.

[Dan T.]

Could you provide more information on that? (This story doesn't seem to have much to do with the Minutemen, to me. Maybe we can "hijack" it into being on-topic.)


Besides, if the accused was indeed a member, she would be a... what? Minutewoman? Minutelady? Minutemaid?

[Burgold]

you do realize you just did the EXACT same thing you are railing against two posts above?


Well yeah, that's why I admited that in the parenthetical part of the quote. Calling me out on something I already called myself out on is kinda weird.

[Destino]

Could you provide more information on that? (This story doesn't seem to have much to do with the Minutemen, to me. Maybe we can "hijack" it into being on-topic.)

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_fence_to_nowhere_08

[Bliz]

Recent research into the Revolutionary War indicates that the defenders of this area were not called Minutemen after all.

No, they were actually called Minutemen [my-noot men], because a lot of them were under three feet tall.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu109/dmgersh/cliff_claven.jpg

[Prosperity]

Recent research into the Revolutionary War indicates that the defenders of this area were not called Minutemen after all.

No, they were actually called Minutemen [my-noot men], because a lot of them were under three feet tall.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu109/dmgersh/cliff_claven.jpg

I read this post and thought I bet Mickalino posted it

slightly disappointed in myself