(Epic Fail Department) DMN: Cowboys Stadium Super Bowl may have missed attendance record by thousands more than thought

[tr1]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/super-bowl/local/20110217-cowboys-stadium-super-bowl-may-have-missed-attendance-record-by-thousands-more-than-thought.ece

By JEFF MOSIER


It was widely reported that the Super Bowl played at Cowboys Stadium fell just 766 people short of the Super Bowl attendance record of 103,985.

But it’s unclear whether the attendance was a near-miss or fell nearly 13,000 fans short of Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones’ hope of breaking the record.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said league officials aren’t sure whether the attendance figure from 1980’s record-setting Super Bowl in Pasadena , Calif., included media and staff. If employees and other workers weren’t counted in the Super Bowl XLV tally, Cowboys Stadium never would have been in the running for a record. :ols:

The NFL reported that the total crowd at this month’s game was 103,219, but paid attendance was 91,060.

“Traditionally, paid attendance is what we’ve announced,” Aiello said. “In doing some research before the Super Bowl, we couldn’t find anyone — including at the Rose Bowl — who knew exactly what that number entailed. …We knew it was paid attendance, but there is some belief that it may have included media credentials.”

Aiello said a veteran league staffer told him he thought the Rose Bowl numbers included people with credentials. But in the league’s official Record & Fact Book, it lists the 1977 Super Bowl at the Rose Bowl as having a “paid attendance” of 103,438, which was then a record. That was broken three years later at Super Bowl XIV with what’s only listed in various sources as a “crowd” or “attendance” that was 547 more.

Aiello said the similar attendance numbers for those games suggests that both include only paid attendance, although he wrote in an e-mail that “no one knows for sure.”

That leaves questions about which Super Bowl XLV attendance figure should be compared to past records.

Brett Daniels, a Cowboys spokesman, declined to comment. He and other team officials said previously that they were not focused on setting records. League officials have also said they weren’t attempting to set any records and often add temporary seating for the Super Bowl.

About 1,250 temporary seats weren’t completed in time for kickoff, which left about 400 ticket holders standing and has resulted in at least two lawsuits. Some are blaming the pursuit of a record for the seating troubles.

The continued confusion about crowd sizes at the big game could be traced to the fact that the Super Bowl attendance record is not actually part of the NFL record books. The league keeps extensive records about its most important game, from most Super Bowls played (Mike Lodish) to highest pass completion percentage (Troy Aikman). But attendance isn’t one of them, and NFL officials don’t necessarily consider themselves arbiters of that record.

“It’s just a matter of looking at all the attendances and saying that’s a record,” Aiello said.

The 2010 NFL Record & Fact Book mentions that the 1977 Super Bowl’s “paid attendance was a pro record.” But no other Super Bowl attendance records were noted, not even the new record-setting game three years later at the Rose Bowl.

Darryl Dunn, general manager for the Rose Bowl, said he has no information about that 31-year-old game or how the attendance was calculated. He said attendance is usually figured by the event organizers.

Dunn said that while he’s happy the Rose Bowl still holds the record, he wouldn’t lose sleep over a challenge to it.

“Super Bowls were some of the greatest events that we’ve ever hosted,” he said. “We’re glad to have the record, but we’re not like the Miami Dolphins [the only franchise with a perfect season], who pop champagne when the last undefeated team loses.”

It’s not clear, though, whether any other stadium could challenge the Rose Bowl unless new information emerges about how attendance was calculated. Although those calculations remain murky, there are clear plans for how this will look on paper.

“The record will enter paid attendance of 91,060,” Aiello said of the game at Cowboys Stadium. “That’s what will go on our book.”

[Califan007]

This has just been one disastrous year for Jerruh and his Cowboys lol :D...

[ouvan59]

“The record will enter paid attendance of 91,060,” Aiello said of the game at Cowboys Stadium. “That’s what will go on our book.”

That puts it in 6th place. Love that they tried counting workers. That's classic.

[Mahons21]

Why join a Redskins fan website just to talk about the Dallas Cowboys? You guys would probably be better suited in a cowboys forum.
:ols::ols::ols:

[doncherry]

This has just been one disastrous year for Jerruh and his Cowboys lol :D...

as far as I'm concerned, this is worse than the 1-15 year that they suffered through. At least then, there was new blood and you had a feeling that the crappy season would lead to something better because of Jimmy. This year, there is none of that hope. Jerruh isn't going anywhere, which means it will be more of the same.....

[onedrop]

Why join a Redskins fan website just to talk about the Dallas Cowboys? You guys would probably be better suited in a cowboys forum.
:ols::ols::ols:

are you being serious?

ATN is the section of ES dedicated to discussing all the other teams in the league and especially designed for Skins fans to make fun of all things cowboy related. on a side note its a bit funny that you question why some joined the board when all those that posted prior to you (in this thread) have been here at least 4 years longer than you have.

IF you were joking please disregard.

[KingGibbs]

Why join a Redskins fan website just to talk about the Dallas Cowboys? You guys would probably be better suited in a cowboys forum.
:ols::ols::ols:

Ha ha. I've thought the same thing. It cracks me up that even when there is no "football" related news that tr salivates at the opportubity to post ANYTHING Cowboys. Even something that in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing. I mean how many of us really care about attendance records? What's next tr? You going to post an article about the Cowboys switching toilet paper brands?:ols:


Now go ahead and tell me I care enough to have read and respond to this thread. Or maybe give me the old :rolleyes: :ols:

[pjfootballer]

I've never really cared about attendance records, but I would love for the NFL to be able to have another SB in the Pasedena Rose Bowl. But I know they'd need extensive upgrades to it. Screw it, it's football, let's go back to the old way. Screw luxury boxes/club seats for one year.

[Califan007]

Why join a Redskins fan website just to talk about the Dallas Cowboys? You guys would probably be better suited in a cowboys forum.
:ols::ols::ols:
Why join a Redskins fan website if you're not a fan of the Redskins? ;)

Besides, in a Cowboys forum they'd ban us for being "jealous" Redskins fans who obviously are envious of all the attention the Cowboys get from the media lol :cool:...


as far as I'm concerned, this is worse than the 1-15 year that they suffered through. At least then, there was new blood and you had a feeling that the crappy season would lead to something better because of Jimmy. This year, there is none of that hope. Jerruh isn't going anywhere, which means it will be more of the same.....

One can only hope lol :D...

[jflow78]

Personally, I think it's great that Jerry built his stadium just large enough for fans AND his ego. The only problem is, he forgot that his ego doesn't fill seats.

[Califan007]

Personally, I think it's great that Jerry built his stadium just large enough for fans AND his ego. The only problem is, he forgot that his ego doesn't fill seats.
And even if it did, the stadium would have been 400 seats short (booyah!)...


Is this thing on?...

[tr1]

Even something that in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing.

:rolleyes:

This was an article in the pukeville daily paper.

Much as you'd like to ignore it, the attendance is another example of the fiasco the NFL perpetrated on fans of the SB.

But, then again, casual football fans would probably think that 'it means absolutely nothing.'

;)

[HapHaszard]

I've been to 5 super bowls, and I can't remember anyone ever announcing the attendance or even caring. I also don't ever remember seeing an empty seat. I'm totally amazed about all the problems they had at this SB. I know how much work is involved in set up and I suspect that since the NFL took over direct control of the SB instead of using expert planners, that this may be a contributing factor in the problems. The NFL basically fired everyone that was involved in setting up the super bowl for the last 15 or so years and decided to do it themselves.

[Califan007]

I've been to 5 super bowls, and I can't remember anyone ever announcing the attendance or even caring.

Jerruh was caring about the attendance record weeks before the game even took place lol...I imagine his dream scenario had the Cowboys playing in the Super Bowl in Cowboys Stadium, and winning the big game in front of the "largest Super Bowl crowd in NFL history"...all while having the cameras of 60 Minutes follow him and document this incredible season lol :D...

It's one reason I take delight in reading these articles and reports about all the complaints and screw ups that took place in Jerruh's SB...it's like reliving the 1-7 Cowboys start all over again. ;)

[ACW]

ha ha. I've thought the same thing. It cracks me up that even when there is no "football" related news that tr salivates at the opportubity to post anything cowboys. Even something that in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing. I mean how many of us really care about attendance records? What's next tr? You going to post an article about the cowboys switching toilet paper brands?:ols:


Now go ahead and tell me i care enough to have read and respond to this thread. Or maybe give me the old :rolleyes: :ols:thank you.

[Califan007]

Annnnd even mo' fail: :thumbsup:


NFL executives fumbled ball at Super Bowl festivities

...Super Bowl XLV was supposed to be Jones' shining moment. Instead, it turned into his Ishtar.

"I saw him Thursday night [at a dinner Jones and his wife Gene hosted for fellow NFL owners in a private club at Cowboys Stadium] and he looked ashen white,'' one league executive said. "Then I saw him again at the [pregame] tailgate party and he looked even whiter."

The fiasco over those 1,200 temporary seats clearly was the biggest and most highly publicized screw up of Super Bowl week, if you don't count the Dallas-Fort Worth area's low-sodium approach to melting ice. But it hardly was the only one.

While the league was scurrying to deal with relocating its displaced customers inside the building on Super Bowl Sunday, including taking 800 tickets away from NFL employees and their families, things were going even worse outside the stadium at the tailgate party...

The NFL Tailgate Party is one of the premier events of Super Bowl week. It's a tougher ticket to get than the game ticket. The invited guests include A-list celebrities like Harrison Ford and Jennifer Aniston, as well as league owners and Super Bowl sponsors. But with the league focused on straightening out the seating snafu, the tailgate party turned into chaos.

According to league sources, many sponsors were forced to wait in line for as long as 2 1/2 hours to get into the tailgate party and were not pleased with the shabby way they were treated.

"It was a disaster from the start, with no signs or people directing people to the [VIP] parking lot or the drop-off area," a source close to the situation said...

"In the past, you couldn't miss where you were supposed to go," [said a source close to the situation.] "You'd get off a bus or out of your limo and there would be someone there to tell you, 'Tailgate party right this way.' This one, no one had any idea where to go. VIPs and sponsors were being funneled in [to the stadium] with regular fans."

The problems at the tailgate party could turn out to be even more costly to the league than Seatgate. According to a league source, some of the companies whose executives had to wait in those long lines, including FedEx and Castrol Motor Oil, have threatened to pull out as Super Bowl sponsors next year. The league has spent much of the last 2 weeks running damage control with those companies.

Sponsors weren't the only ones ticked off at the way they were treated in Dallas. So were league owners and executives.

Part of Jerry Jones' bid to bring the Super Bowl to Dallas was a package of perks for the league's owners, including gift certificates to Dallas-area stores, along with several hours of free use of a limousine.

Well, when New Orleans Saints owner/executive vice president Rita Benson LeBlanc, who is the granddaughter of majority owner Tom Benson, and the heir to the team, called from the airport for her free limo, she was informed that the perks were only for each team's principal owner. In other words, only grandpa. According to a source, Tom Benson was furious with Jones.

Many league executives also were upset when they and their families were told at the last minute that they had to give up their Super Bowl seats and watch the game on television in a tent outside the stadium as the league gave their seats to many of the displaced 1,200. According to a league source, the family of NFL assistant director of operations Merton Hanks already was in their seats when Hanks, a Dallas native who won a Super Bowl while playing with the San Francisco 49ers, was told they would have to move.

Then there was the awful sound quality during the Black Eyed Peas' halftime performance. Once upon a time, the league spared no expense when it came to staging its biggest game. Since the departure of the league's longtime special events coordinator, Jim Steeg, 7 years ago, though, it has dramatically cut costs.
http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-18/sports/28553801_1_tailgate-party-super-bowl-xlv-fellow-nfl-owners


But, yeah, I forgot...everything that happens at the Super Bowl, other than the game, is irrelevant, especially if those other things are related to Jerruh Jones or the Cowboys in any way, shape or form.

Now excuse me while I go over to the Stadium and chime in on the lengthy thread dealing with stuff that happened at Snyder Communications 12 years ago :thumbsup:...

[Mahons21]

Annnnd even mo' fail: :thumbsup:


http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-18/sports/28553801_1_tailgate-party-super-bowl-xlv-fellow-nfl-owners


But, yeah, I forgot...everything that happens at the Super Bowl, other than the game, is irrelevant, especially if those other things are related to Jerruh Jones or the Cowboys in any way, shape or form.
No one said they're irrelevant...

You and TR1's fascination with the Cowboys borders on obsession and in my opinion it's odd you do it on a Redskins site.:ols::ols::ols::ols:

When I look through a Redskins fans post on a Redskins website, I don't expect 95% of the posts to be about the Dallas Cowboys... but thats just me LOL :ols::ols::ols::ols:


Now excuse me while I go over to the Stadium and chime in on the lengthy thread dealing with stuff that happened at Snyder Communications 12 years ago :thumbsup:...

Good one... I forgot the stadium only has one thread. :laugh:

[Califan007]

No one said they're irrelevant...
Well, someone said this in response to you:

"It cracks me up that even when there is no "football" related news that tr salivates at the opportubity to post ANYTHING Cowboys. Even something that in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing."

Clearly they think that all of this is irrelevant and means "absolutely nothing" in the grand scheme of things and only holds importance to anyone apparently obsessed with the Cowboys ;)...




You and TR1's fascination with the Cowboys borders on obsession and in my opinion it's odd you do it on a Redskins site.:ols::ols::ols::ols:
You should ask for a thesaurus for your next birthday because you need to come up with better and more accurate adjectives to describe why Skins fans like myself and tr1 enjoy posting articles that shine a realistic light on that severely over-hyped franchise. Because "Fascination" doesn't even begin to qualify as being accurate.

However, I find it hilarious that you and a few others here obsess over what tr1 posts far more than you claim he obsesses over the Cowboys lol :ols:...or should I say you're "fascinated" with him instead? ;)



When I look through a Redskins fans post on a Redskins website, I don't expect 95% of the posts to be about the Dallas Cowboys... but thats just me LOL :ols::ols::ols::ols:
Ah, so you're saying that 95% of my 20,000+ posts are about the Dallas Cowboys, then?...Because you just said that my "fascination" with the Cowboys is equal to tr1's...or was that merely hyperbole on your part and nothing even close to realistic?




Good one... I forgot the stadium only has one thread. :laugh:
Yes, much like I forgot the ATN forum only has threads about the Cowboys...and they are only started by tr1 or myself. Thanks for the reminder :thumbsup:

[Hitman21ST]

Why join a Redskins fan website just to talk about the Dallas Cowboys? You guys would probably be better suited in a cowboys forum.
:ols::ols::ols:

They're just greedy

[GhostofSparta]

They're just greedy

You know, I was just about to ask if anybody else was getting that type of vibe.

Edit: Did Jerry Jones honestly try to have stadium workers count toward the attendance numbers? Really?

[Mahons21]

You should ask for a thesaurus for your next birthday
Sept 7, can I expect one in the mail? Possibly you could highlight adjectives you might feel are more appropriate.



Yes, much like I forgot the ATN forum only has threads about the Cowboys...and they are only started by tr1 or myself. Thanks for the reminder :thumbsup:
I never said the ATN only has those threads... those are just the threads you two seem to love to post in. It's weird.:laugh::laugh::laugh::ols::ols:

[Califan007]

I never said the ATN only has those threads...
And I never said the thread about Snyder Communications was the only thread in the Stadium, but that didn't stop you from responding with "I forgot the stadium only has one thread. :laugh:"



those are just the threads you two seem to love to post in. It's weird.:laugh::laugh::laugh::ols::ols:

Hmm...so then these threads:

Gus Frerotte takes HS head coaching job
Raiders promote Hue Jackson to coach
Raiders Hire OC Al Saunders
It's Todd Collins time in Chicago
Mendenhall Humps Big Ben After The Game
GameDay Thread: AFC / NFC Championship Games
Eagles Fire Sean McDermott
Peyton Hillis: Every Team has made fun of him for being white
The "NFC West" Rule
YAHOO: Cutler's NFL Contemporaries Go After Him on Twitter
SN.COM: Al Davis rips Lions WR Calvin Johnson
Pro Bowl Discussion Thread
NFL.com: Eagles will keep Vick for 2011 by placing franchise tag on him
Your ideas to make the Pro-Bowl more competitive.
Yeah, having the Super Bowl in a cold weather city is a bad idea......
Hof
Ren's Preseason Playoff Prediction Challenge!!!!!!!!!!!

...were all actually about the Cowboys? Damn, how did I miss that?

Just from the last three pages, I posted in 17 threads that were not about the Cowboys, and 12 that were about the Cowboys. Apparently you need a new calculator to go with your new thesaurus.

[zoony]

how about we let the moderators moderate. If you want to discuss the Original article, discuss it. If you want to fill up the thred with a discussion about whether the thread is valid, don't.

And I'll go one better. Don't even quote this post and so much as say "thank you" or "sorry" or "go to hell". Stay on topic or don't post. Thanks everyone.

[tr1]

Edit: Did Jerry Jones honestly try to have stadium workers count toward the attendance numbers? Really?

Yes...yes, he did.

The entire puke franchise is about hype...lying is what Jerruh excels at best. He lied about Jimmy Johnson's role during the SB years, Parcel vs TO, etc.

I don't know why anyone would take anything Jerruh says seriously.

The NFL should be ashamed it gave him the keys to the car.

[Kindred]

No one said they're irrelevant...

You and TR1's fascination with the Cowboys borders on obsession and in my opinion it's odd you do it on a Redskins site.:ols::ols::ols::ols:

When I look through a Redskins fans post on a Redskins website, I don't expect 95% of the posts to be about the Dallas Cowboys... but thats just me LOL :ols::ols::ols::ols:



Good one... I forgot the stadium only has one thread. :laugh:

I would be ecstatic with a sub forum dedicated to bashing the cowbabies. Who gives a **** about most of the other teams, I care about 2 things: news favoring the redskins and news not favoring our rivals. So to answer your question, yes we are whole heartedly obsessed with Cowboy bashing, and we do it here because we would get banned from a cowboy forum in a heartbeat. The pansies over there flip out if their uterus gets even slightly bruised.

[FanboyOf91]

The Cowboys 2010 season fail is now complete.

[ACW]

I would be ecstatic with a sub forum dedicated to bashing the cowbabies.That's not a bad idea. Have a subforum in ATN.

[Kindred]

That's not a bad idea. Have a subforum in ATN.

One of the benefits would be we wouldnt have to listen to all the whiny cowbabies complaining about us obsessing over cowboy bashing, if that's the whole purpose of the goddamn subforum. I wouldnt mind including our other rivals as well, call it "Around the NFCE"

[Hitman21ST]

I don't know why anyone would take anything Jerruh says seriously.

You mean to say that Jason Garrett isn't going to bring the Cowboys back to prominence?

[ACW]

One of the benefits would be we wouldnt have to listen to all the whiny cowbabies complaining about us obsessing over cowboy bashing, if that's the whole purpose of the goddamn subforum. I wouldnt mind including our other rivals as well, call it "Around the NFCE"Either way.

[RFKFedEx]

Brett Daniels, a Cowboys spokesman, declined to comment. He and other team officials said previously that they were not focused on setting records. League officials have also said they weren’t attempting to set any records"


Lie of the year!


Sounds like something Snyder would say.

[Hitman21ST]

Lie of the year!


Sounds like something Snyder would say.

Puke fan mantra: Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations.

[Beans]

as far as I'm concerned, this is worse than the 1-15 year that they suffered through. At least then, there was new blood and you had a feeling that the crappy season would lead to something better because of Jimmy. This year, there is none of that hope. Jerruh isn't going anywhere, which means it will be more of the same.....

There are no more Herschel Walkers...

[tr1]

There are no more Herschel Walkers...

:rotflmao:

[doncherry]

There are no more Herschel Walkers...
true dat....