ESPN - Miles Austin not among the best WRs

[HapHaszard]

(this has to be true its from ESPN the Dallas everything station/website)

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/25626/miles-austin-not-among-the-best-wrs

When the 2010 season ended, Miles Austin was 25th in catches (69), 14th in yards (1,041) and 21st in touchdowns (seven). He was also tied for 10th with 17 catches of 20 or more yards.

Austin was not the dominant receiver numbers-wise in 2010 that he was in 2009.

Yet, Austin is still an excellent receiver who threatens defenses with his run-after-catch ability. If there was one negative to Austin's game last year it was the career-high 10 drops.

Well in rankings among ESPN.com's NFL bloggers, they don't think much of Austin's game.

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[ConnSKINS26]

How things change. Remember a year ago when he was THE best WR in the league, better even than Andre Johnson? :ols: :ols: :ols:

[onedrop]

too bad they dont keep stats on things like the ability to bite a truck tire in half because miles would be the MAN.

[visionary]

Don't tell Cris Collinsworth.

[Hitman21ST]

How things change. Remember a year ago when he was THE best WR in the league, better even than Andre Johnson? :ols: :ols: :ols:

:rotflmao:

All too well. I think it was TRPB and Mr. Jones who were actually arguing that. Don't worry though, I predict that next year Dez will start to be hyped as the best receiver in the league, too.

[acuratl1984]

To be fair Romo was out almost the whole season... Kitna's target was errr whoever the Rookie was...from OSU

[HapHaszard]

To be fair Romo was out almost the whole season... Kitna's target was errr whoever the Rookie was...from OSU

Kitna was an upgrade from Romo.

[Hitman21ST]

To be fair Romo was out almost the whole season... Kitna's target was errr whoever the Rookie was...from OSU

It shouldn't matter who the QB is...

[Mr. Jones]

:rotflmao:

All too well. I think it was TRPB and Mr. Jones who were actually arguing that. Don't worry though, I predict that next year Dez will start to be hyped as the best receiver in the league, too.

I'm fairly certain all I argued was that Austin played better in 2009 but that he'd have to do it for a few years before he was a better WR than Andre Johnson. No one outperformed Austin on a per start basis in 2009.


Kitna was an upgrade from Romo.

Actually Romo had a higher completion rate, higher YPA, more TDs per attempt, fewer INTs per attempt (with 5 of Romo's 7 coming off tipped passes) so no, I wouldn't say Kitna was an upgrade though he did play pretty well once Garrett took over.

[darklight1216]

It shouldn't matter who the QB is...

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[Big Blue Joe]

I don't know how Desean Jackson makes it on to these lists. First he robs Hakeem Nicks of a Pro Bowl bid, and now he's supposedly elite. Jackson has never even had double digit TD receptions. Talk about overrated.

[skinsfan07]

To be fair Romo was out almost the whole season... Kitna's target was errr whoever the Rookie was...from OSU

Tell that to Calvin Johnson....No excuses!

[Hitman21ST]

I don't know how Desean Jackson makes it on to these lists. First he robs Hakeem Nicks of a Pro Bowl bid, and now he's supposedly elite. Jackson has never even had double digit TD receptions. Talk about overrated.

He has yet to top 65 receptions in a season, no double digit TDs, and has shown that if you don't give him the deep stuff, he's not nearly as productive. All the other receivers on the list can do it all, DeSean is a one-trick pony. Granted, he's one of the most dangerous deep threats, but that's all he is. He makes the highlight reels, and that's all people think of.

Nevermind that his quarterbacks don't throw him the ball in the critical situations, such as the last drive of the Packers-Eagles playoff game. Vick would rather throw it to Riley Cooper than Jackson. That's pretty telling.

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[ConnSKINS26]

Yeah, Jackson is a great weapon to have, I'll admit. But he doesn't belong on a list of elite WR's (unless you're just talking about the NFC East, and even then he's 5th on the list)

Mike Wallace does everything Jackson can do, and more. I'd much rather have him.

[Bibby]

Don't tell Cris Collinsworth.

Collinsworth loves himself some Miles Austin legs.

[Boss_Hogg]

Collinsworth loves himself some Miles Austin legs.

http://one4theotherthumb.com/images/stories/09regularseason/week_3/BengalsChrisCollinsworth.jpg

[TonyRomoProBowl]

funny how selective ES is when reading/comprehending ESPN articles.....hahaha This one fits the ES mold, so by all means it must be true.

And for the one that says Kitna was an upgrade....bwahahaha Instant credibility drop on your part.

Miles Austin IS NOT Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson.....Fitz...ect. HOWEVER he is a damn good top LEVEL #1 WR in the NFL. To say otherwise and to base it on that 1-year sample (disaster of a season) that the Cowboys lost their Starting QB in week 6..is just being unfair.

Face it, The skins would kill to have a WR as god as Miles Austin, unless your willing to say AA is better then Miles Austin As well as Dez Bryant????

[Popeman38]

funny how selective ES is when reading/comprehending ESPN articles.....hahaha This one fits the ES mold, so by all means it must be true.

And for the one that says Kitna was an upgrade....bwahahaha Instant credibility drop on your part.

Miles Austin IS NOT Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson.....Fitz...ect. HOWEVER he is a damn good top LEVEL #1 WR in the NFL. To say otherwise and to base it on that 1-year sample (disaster of a season) that the Cowboys lost their Starting QB in week 6..is just being unfair.

Face it, The skins would kill to have a WR as god as Miles Austin, unless your willing to say AA is better then Miles Austin As well as Dez Bryant????Miles only has 1 season to base it on. He didn't play all that much before 2009. He had a solid year in 2009, 81 rec for 1320 yds and 11 TD. Good season. NOT all world, which is how he was hyped prior to last year. And then he had a "down" year in 2010: 69 rec for 1041 yds and 7 TD. His "beast" season was 12 more rec for 190 more yds and 4 more TD? He had a killer 2nd half in 2009. Then the league had tape on him. He is a good WR, but not great. He will never be the #1 #1 WR in the NFL. He might not even be Dallas' #1 WR. He gets hyped because he has a star on his helmet. Some would argue Dwayne Bowe is a better WR, but he plays in KC therefore ESPN doesn't know who he is....

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Miles only has 1 season to base it on. He didn't play all that much before 2009. He had a solid year in 2009, 81 rec for 1320 yds and 11 TD. Good season. NOT all world, which is how he was hyped prior to last year. And then he had a "down" year in 2010: 69 rec for 1041 yds and 7 TD. His "beast" season was 12 more rec for 190 more yds and 4 more TD? He had a killer 2nd half in 2009. Then the league had tape on him. He is a good WR, but not great. He will never be the #1 #1 WR in the NFL. He might not even be Dallas' #1 WR. He gets hyped because he has a star on his helmet. Some would argue Dwayne Bowe is a better WR, but he plays in KC therefore ESPN doesn't know who he is....

well that settles it...He will NEVER be the #1 WR in the NFL????? Gee, thats not setting the bar high is it? The WR talent right now is outrageous, and would say that Miles Austin isn't and WONT be in the top 10...Does that take away from the fact that he is VERY GOOD???

If Miles Austin ends up the #2 WR on Dallas like you have said and many do agree with you, that shows more of how GOOD Dez is and not how bad Miles Austin is.......and if that does become the case in Dallas and Romo is healthy for 16.....then that will be a very GOOD thing for us Cowboy fans.....because on top of that, they have the best TE in the League if not the best...top 3 in the Entire NFL.

[Hitman21ST]

well that settles it...He will NEVER be the #1 WR in the NFL????? Gee, thats not setting the bar high is it? The WR talent right now is outrageous, and would say that Miles Austin isn't and WONT be in the top 10...Does that take away from the fact that he is VERY GOOD???

If Miles Austin ends up the #2 WR on Dallas like you have said and many do agree with you, that shows more of how GOOD Dez is and not how bad Miles Austin is.......and if that does become the case in Dallas and Romo is healthy for 16.....then that will be a very GOOD thing for us Cowboy fans.....because on top of that, they have the best TE in the League if not the best...top 3 in the Entire NFL.

So what happened to this time last year when Miles was being hyped as THE best WR in the NFL?

[TonyRomoProBowl]

So what happened to this time last year when Miles was being hyped as THE best WR in the NFL?

by who???

Link please???

No way he was being hyped as the BEST in the WR...."one of the best" yes indeed, and i bet i was part of it...."the best" HELLZ NO!!! Present to me the links to that debate/discussion please....

[Hitman21ST]

by who???

Link please???

No way he was being hyped as the BEST in the WR...."one of the best" yes indeed, and i bet i was part of it...."the best" HELLZ NO!!! Present to me the links to that debate/discussion please....

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=5398251


Miles Austin has seized the WR crown

[TonyRomoProBowl]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=5398251


Many might not consider Miles Austin to be an elite wideout yet, but he actually had a better set of metrics than any of the three other aforementioned contenders this past season.


seriously, every year KC comes up with metrics and different little bells and whistles to sell his book. BUT where does this say Miles is #1 in the NFL.......OR where is ANYONE else in this thread stating that Miles Austin IS the #1 WR in the NFL???

please........

[Hitman21ST]

seriously, every year KC comes up with metrics and different little bells and whistles to sell his book. BUT where does this say Miles is #1 in the NFL.......OR where is ANYONE else in this thread stating that Miles Austin IS the #1 WR in the NFL???

please........

Look at the last sentence in the article:


Simply put, as great as Johnson is, in 2009 he not only wasn't the best wide receiver in the NFL, but wasn't even the best wide receiver in Texas. That honor belonged to Austin.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Look at the last sentence in the article:

Stated by KC Joyner, based on 1 season and filled with the metrics, HE COMES up with and sells to people in his book.

Same metrics that used to show how good RW31 was when he played his first 5 years in the league for Dallas as a "pro-bowl" SS. I am asking you, outside of KC selling his book, and cherry picking some metrics to make his point, where are all the supports claiming that Miles Austin is The BEST in the NFL?

[Hitman21ST]

How about this:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?327087-ESPN-Miles-Austin-has-surpassed-Andre-Johnson-as-best-WR-in-NFL

Pretty sure Mr. Jones and DOTS were in there hyping this up...

[TonyRomoProBowl]

How about this:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?327087-ESPN-Miles-Austin-has-surpassed-Andre-Johnson-as-best-WR-in-NFL

Pretty sure Mr. Jones and DOTS were in there hyping this up...



quick scan and this is all i could find........you really are sinking with this one....and you are about to run out of air.

I cant find a Cowboys an that said that Austin was the best in the NFL...and i am guessing if this is your best attempt, neither can you!



I don't think Austin is the best WR in the NFL but over the last 12 games of the season (those Austin actually started) no one can touch his production. It wasn't just one or two routes that he burned people on either, he was good in every aspect of the game and no matter who was covering him.

Another metric I've seen to quantify how well a receiver played is to run the numbers (attempts, completions, completion %, YPA, TDs, INTS) of the passes thrown at them through the QB rating system, Austin also led the NFL giving Romo a rating of 127.8 on passes thrown Austin's way, following him were Rice in MN with 125.1, Colston with 124.4, Vincent Jackson with 123.0 before dropping to Wes Welker at 109.4.

I don't expect anyone on this board certainly to acknowledge it, but Austin played at a truly elite level last year.



Lets not jump the freaking gun here, I know teh status quo, take something that uses the Cowboys and mock it.

Bottom line this is either a system Joyner came up with or likes to use, either way its crap. This points out, how to use numbers, manipulate them and than get them to say something else.

Had this been a Skin, im sure the parade would be long lasting to a few, not the majority.

This is not saying Austin is better than Johnson, this is not saying Austin had a better season, this is saying, here some numbers, this is what they mean.

I never liked his system, i dont subscribe to the train of thought. Its basically trying to redifine the "wheel" we dont need it, other people think they have something better.

What the article is trying to say however worded, nonsense, but something in the numbers are there. OKay, so maybe per catch Austin did something better, and had more TD"s. FINE, but the reason Austin is getting so much air time is (try to keep up wtih me here) a movement trying to show non drafted players can contribute as well.

You are going to get that from time to time, but Austin came from a small school, i know i Went there there, and he kept the Cowboys season going with the KC game. Its an underdog story, America loves the underdog, over all no one cares til next year.

Austin caught some footballs, broke a tackle or three and scored with the cheerleader when giving the chance. Yes he was behind most of the receivers at the time, yes he was slippery to take down and yes he took advantage of it and shoved JJ's Roy Williams trade down his throat.

Blah blah blah, lets see if he can do it next season. Romo likes the guy, he trusted in him and Austin delivered for one season. Drew Pearson he is not, YET, is it there? who knows, does this article and system support it? No, can an injury kill his career, yes, will he be remembered after it? no.

There are your answers, for some of you who love ESPN or any other media crud, there is your new opinion, and for the rest of you thinkers who didnt poo poo the article, keep up the good work and for the rest of you, good nite.


I don't see Austin as that dominant type of receiver that can dictate the flow of a game. Andre Johnson is clearly the better and more complete package. Austin had a nice season, but I like what the Cowboys are doing at WR and not throwing all of their eggs into one basket.


Miles Austin had a very good year last year. I hope he has another one this year. But if Jerry Jones was offered Andre Johnson for Miles Austin straight up, I would hope that he would pull the trigger quickly....


For those who missed it or didn't read the article, or missed it earlier in the commentary, the point was Austin outplayed Johnson last year.

I don't think Austin is better either but the fact is for the last 12 games of 2009 he was the best WR in the NFL, and it didn't matter who he was covered by.


I'm amazed this thread is still going.

Austin is not in the same league as Johnson. Period.

He has a lot to prove that he is a #1 wr too.

Happy Skinny fans?

[Tweedr01]

My impression of TRPB:

TRPB: "Show me where anyone says he is the best"
(shown that someone said he is the best)
TRPB: "Uh, errr, well you see, so and so wrote it, so it doesn't count"

Bravo TRPB, it's the puke two step

[TonyRomoProBowl]

My impression of TRPB:

TRPB: "Show me where anyone says he is the best"
(shown that someone said he is the best)
TRPB: "Uh, errr, well you see, so and so wrote it, so it doesn't count"

Bravo TRPB, it's the puke two step

whatever.................you know thats BS. Bust my balls all you want, but the truth is.....KC Joyner based his article on his "metrics" that he pawns off to people for cash money.

So whats the point, KC Joyner called Miles Austin the Best WR in the NFL??

okay, then lets just all agree that he is an idiot and move on.

The point i was ma,king and made, was not one single Dallas Fan here said "Miles Austin is better then Andre Johnson" ......

[Dan T.]

Face it, The skins would kill to have a WR as god as Miles Austin,


Freudian slip?

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Freudian slip?

hahahahaha

Imma Miles Austin fan, but not that big of one.........

I may be one of those that over rate him...yet i have him at about #8 in the NFL moving forward from this point on.

and not in the same mention as the top 5 in the NFL as:

Fitz
A.Johnson
C.Johnson
Roddy White
Reggie Wayne

[Tweedr01]

whatever.................you know thats BS. Bust my balls all you want, but the truth is.....KC Joyner based his article on his "metrics" that he pawns off to people for cash money.

So whats the point, KC Joyner called Miles Austin the Best WR in the NFL??

okay, then lets just all agree that he is an idiot and move on.

The point i was ma,king and made, was not one single Dallas Fan here said "Miles Austin is better then Andre Johnson" ......
relax big guy, it's not the end of the world, you do realize we are messing with you right?

[TonyRomoProBowl]

relax big guy, it's not the end of the world, you do realize we are messing with you right?

Really?

crap, I thought ya'll was seriously out to get me.......well thats god to know...or good to know, whichever

I love this place......

And i mean that...even if ya;'ll cant stand me and my Cowboy loving attitude.

But face it, Skins fans (about 2 of ya'll) are calling AA better then Dez...yet you cant find a Cowboy fan insane enough to call Austin better then A. Johnson.......even if the "great" king of all metrics KC Joyner says so.

There used to be a day here that KC Joyner's metrics were right there next to God's own notes.......

and I cant help but to think back to those days and the great ES member Bubba....he loved that book by KC.....

And i miss Bubba somnethh8nig terrible.

Yea i know i have never met him, dont know him from a hole, and he would be pounding EVERY Dallas fan here into the ground with his post about Miles, Dez....etc.......but even still i miss him a lot!

okay, back to my regular scheduled day...i just had to get that in, because the KC Joyner references brought his memory to the front of my Dome piece!

[Botched]

If Brandon Lloyd is being put in the top 10, Austin certainly belongs there.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

If Brandon Lloyd is being put in the top 10, Austin certainly belongs there.

Brandon Lloyd is NOT in the top 10 of NFL WR's....not even 20........even with this past season where he blew up.

[Botched]

Brandon Lloyd is NOT in the top 10 of NFL WR's....not even 20........even with this past season where he blew up.

The article has him at #9 :ols:

I'd definitely put him in the top 60.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

The article has him at #9 :ols:

I'd definitely put him in the top 60.

hahahahahaha EVEN more reason this entire thread is garbage from the Get-go!

Unreal!

[pjfootballer]

Actually Romo had a higher completion rate, higher YPA, more TDs per attempt, fewer INTs per attempt (with 5 of Romo's 7 coming off tipped passes) so no, I wouldn't say Kitna was an upgrade though he did play pretty well once Garrett took over.

It seemed like the Cowboys scored more with Kitna under center. I think they finished drives better with him.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

It seemed like the Cowboys scored more with Kitna under center. I think they finished drives better with him.

funny....When Romo was scoring points and finishing drives it was always about his "turnovers"....now its not??? Kitna did a great job in relief, but come on people, do you really think he is better or performed better then Romo? I realize any time to take a shot at Dallas and/or Tony Romo is a good time, but be realistic about it. Kitna was good ...he did well. Dallas actually did something most teams cant or "didn't" do, and that was be prepared with a good back up QB...But be for real about it!!!!

[Tweedr01]

funny....When Romo was scoring points and finishing drives it was always about his "turnovers"....now its not??? Kitna did a great job in relief, but come on people, do you really think he is better or performed better then Romo? I realize any time to take a shot at Dallas and/or Tony Romo is a good time, but be realistic about it. Kitna was good ...he did well. Dallas actually did something most teams cant or "didn't" do, and that was be prepared with a good back up QB...But be for real about it!!!!
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[TonyRomoProBowl]

http://nobodyputsbabyinahorner.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/my-hair-is-a-bird-argument-invalid.jpg

what the heck is that.....i tel ya what, im getting too old for you guys and for this forum stuff.

Sucks trying to have real discussions in a fake world.

[Tweedr01]

what the heck is that.....i tel ya what, im getting too old for you guys and for this forum stuff.

Sucks trying to have real discussions in a fake world.
fine fine fine, you want a real discussion?

austin is not as bad as we make him out to be, but he's not as good as you make him out to be. i would compare him to brandon lloyd. the two of them have really only had a couple of good seasons.

dez bryant will be michael irvin....the con not the player...and no rookie will carry his shoulder pads next year if we have a season

roy williams is worthless

EDIT: have you not seen a recent nicholas cage movie? his hair looks like its a bid thats about to fly off of his head.

[Kindred]

funny....When Romo was scoring points and finishing drives it was always about his "turnovers"....now its not??? Kitna did a great job in relief, but come on people, do you really think he is better or performed better then Romo? I realize any time to take a shot at Dallas and/or Tony Romo is a good time, but be realistic about it. Kitna was good ...he did well. Dallas actually did something most teams cant or "didn't" do, and that was be prepared with a good back up QB...But be for real about it!!!!

I think kitna forced the cows to be a more well rounded team, not relying on its superstar QB so much. Turning more to its running game. Sometimes its not about whos the better QB, sometimes its about who's the better qb for the team.

on the original topic. I'd say its hard to tell. Perhaps Miles just had better chemistry with romo, or perhaps he just had one good season, who knows. Still too early to tell.

[ouvan59]

funny....When Romo was scoring points and finishing drives it was always about his "turnovers"....now its not??? Kitna did a great job in relief, but come on people, do you really think he is better or performed better then Romo? I realize any time to take a shot at Dallas and/or Tony Romo is a good time, but be realistic about it. Kitna was good ...he did well. Dallas actually did something most teams cant or "didn't" do, and that was be prepared with a good back up QB...But be for real about it!!!!

No, Kitna is not as good as Romo but he was good enough that the excuse about Romo being hurt doesn't wash when talking about Austin's drop in production. You talk about one season of diminished production isn't enough evidence that he isn't a great receiver but the evidence that he is great is even shorter. He isn't quite the poster boy for Cowboy hype, that honor belongs to Marion Barber, but he's not far behind. He might end up being a great player but he's not there yet. And as for the Skins killing for Miles Austin, we've had someone that good for quite some time. Or do you mean going forward?

[harvey57]

Miles Austin is better then anything we have

[HapHaszard]

I



Actually Romo had a higher completion rate, higher YPA, more TDs per attempt, fewer INTs per attempt (with 5 of Romo's 7 coming off tipped passes) so no, I wouldn't say Kitna was an upgrade though he did play pretty well once Garrett took over.

I must have been mistaken, I thought he had a much better December than Tony Romo ever had. Guess i was wrong.

[ConnSKINS26]

Miles Austin is better then anything we have

True, but also not what the thread's about.

[Beans]

The circle is complete.

[ConnSKINS26]

The circle is complete.

Why? I've always said Austin is better than any WR on our team. Its not like I'm backtracking.

[pjfootballer]

funny....When Romo was scoring points and finishing drives it was always about his "turnovers"....now its not??? Kitna did a great job in relief, but come on people, do you really think he is better or performed better then Romo? I realize any time to take a shot at Dallas and/or Tony Romo is a good time, but be realistic about it. Kitna was good ...he did well. Dallas actually did something most teams cant or "didn't" do, and that was be prepared with a good back up QB...But be for real about it!!!!

FIrst 6 games including the game he got hurt (Romo started)- PPG 22.8

Last 10 games (Kitna started)- PPG 25.7

I was just comparing how the offense seemed to score more and was more fluid with Kitna. I was not stating which QB was better, or which QB had less turnovers or anything like that. Just an observation.

Also Dallass had (1) 30 point game in 6 Romo starts (the one he was hurt in) and had (4) 30 point games in the last 10 that Kitna started. Maybe it was due to Fat Boy getting canned also as I think Garrett opened up the offense more after he took over.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

FIrst 6 games including the game he got hurt (Romo started)- PPG 22.8

Last 10 games (Kitna started)- PPG 25.7

I was just comparing how the offense seemed to score more and was more fluid with Kitna. I was not stating which QB was better, or which QB had less turnovers or anything like that. Just an observation.

Also Dallass had (1) 30 point game in 6 Romo starts (the one he was hurt in) and had (4) 30 point games in the last 10 that Kitna started. Maybe it was due to Fat Boy getting canned also as I think Garrett opened up the offense more after he took over.


a LOT of things factor in to that BUT.....the easy thing to say is that "its on Romo."..........Romo-Haters feed on it really. But its all good.

[doncherry]

I think kitna forced the cows to be a more well rounded team, not relying on its superstar QB so much. Turning more to its running game. Sometimes its not about whos the better QB, sometimes its about who's the better qb for the team.

on the original topic. I'd say its hard to tell. Perhaps Miles just had better chemistry with romo, or perhaps he just had one good season, who knows. Still too early to tell.

+1

[tr1]

Isn't it weird how puke fans celebrate one hit wonders?

You know, MB III, Julius, Felix, Ball, etc...

Though, it is a stretch to even say some of those guys were a hit...:rotflmao:

6-10...where was Miles?

Where was where?

Where's the SB trophy?

:ols:

[Mr. Jones]

Isn't it weird how puke fans celebrate one hit wonders?


Where was where?

:ols:

Ware was leading the NFL in sacks as well as being top 5 in both QB pressures and tackles for a loss. He was having a great season that went mostly unnoticed because it's expected of him at this point.

[tr1]

Ware was leading the NFL in sacks as well as being top 5 in both QB pressures and tackles for a loss. He was having a great season that went mostly unnoticed because it's expected of him at this point.

Unnoticed because of the weakness of the NFCE...

Remember, the pukes' defense got Wade fired.

6-10.

Do I need to say anything else?

Oh, and I left out that other one-hit-less-than-wonder Martellus Bennett.

:rotflmao:

If only the puke hype matched the on field performance!

:ols:

[Mr. Jones]

Cowboys had a lot of trouble on defense this year, mostly in the secondary with Ball being terrible, Jenkins getting lazy, and Newman playing hurt the entire season. There was also quite a bit of letdown at other positions with the Cowboys losing their best run stuffing DE for most of the season, Brookings being old, and Spencer not performing up to the standards he set at the end of 2009.

Ware however wasn't the problem and continues to be a top 5 defensive player in the NFL regardless of scheme, matchup or anything else. Your continued calling of him "where" is just laughable at this point as he continues to turn in what looks to be a hall of fame career.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Ware was leading the NFL in sacks as well as being top 5 in both QB pressures and tackles for a loss. He was having a great season that went mostly unnoticed because it's expected of him at this point.

But dont forget, it was the "scheme" that allowed for Ware to get all his TFL's....remember????

Because he is rushing the passer EVERY play, that allows for him to be there for the run plays and make those tackles....

and before anyone blast me on this......IT WASN'T ME WHO SAID IT..........

That quote was the final NAIL in the TR1 coffin....anyone that was in that thread and saw him respond with that, will forever take EVERYTHING he says with a grain of salt....

I wont even do that much....the man is incapable of understanding football, if that truly is a belief of his. I am not sure if it is, or if he just said it.....He never really came back to say which it was....My guess is, he was just saying it to be funny and shocking.......BUT after getting blasted for it, he never came back to the thread to make it known if it was really his thoughts or not...so one could still assume that he does feel that way.

If so..........then this deserves a TR1 Smiley barrage!!!! :ols: :ols: :ols: :ols: :ols:

[Califan007]

My impression of TRPB:

TRPB: "Show me where anyone says he is the best"
(shown that someone said he is the best)
TRPB: "Uh, errr, well you see, so and so wrote it, so it doesn't count"

Bravo TRPB, it's the puke two step

I went through the same thing with another Dallas fan last year lol :yes:...Made mention of how the Cowboys were picked to go to the SB in 2009 by some media members, some Cowboys fan said "Show me ONE person who picked the Cowboys to make the SB after their 9-7 season in 2008!!!"...

I showed them one, linked to the quote. They blew it off with some asinine comment about "Who still reads this guy anyway?"...

I showed them another, linked to the prediction. They blew it off with "I don't even know who that is" or something along those lines...

I said "Ok, you said "show me one person who picked the Cowboys to go to the SB"...I've shown you two so far. How many people do I need to show you to have it qualify as "one"?..." :ols:...

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I went through the same thing with another Dallas fan last year lol :yes:...Made mention of how the Cowboys were picked to go to the SB in 2009 by some media members, some Cowboys fan said "Show me ONE person who picked the Cowboys to make the SB after their 9-7 season in 2008!!!"...

I showed them one, linked to the quote. They blew it off with some asinine comment about "Who still reads this guy anyway?"...

I showed them another, linked to the prediction. They blew it off with "I don't even know who that is" or something along those lines...

I said "Ok, you said "show me one person who picked the Cowboys to go to the SB"...I've shown you two so far. How many people do I need to show you to have it qualify as "one"?..." :ols:...

okay fine.....we get that.

You said that many people here in this thread...COWBOY fans were talking about Miles Austin being better then A.Johnson. I asked who?

I don't care about KC Joyner and his dumb ass metrics.

He makes a great deal of $$$$ on his books that have all these crazy metrics...one year he had Anthony Henry as a top rated CB based on his metrics.

I understand that KC said it.......and he put one-year metrics in his article to back it up. I get that and don't dispute.

What Cowboy fan here in ES said Miles Austin is as good or better then Andre Johnson?

[Tweedr01]

by who???

Link please???

No way he was being hyped as the BEST in the WR...."one of the best" yes indeed, and i bet i was part of it...."the best" HELLZ NO!!! Present to me the links to that debate/discussion please....
ok

seriously, every year KC comes up with metrics and different little bells and whistles to sell his book. BUT where does this say Miles is #1 in the NFL.......OR where is ANYONE else in this thread stating that Miles Austin IS the #1 WR in the NFL???

please........
ok

Stated by KC Joyner, based on 1 season and filled with the metrics, HE COMES up with and sells to people in his book.

Same metrics that used to show how good RW31 was when he played his first 5 years in the league for Dallas as a "pro-bowl" SS. I am asking you, outside of KC selling his book, and cherry picking some metrics to make his point, where are all the supports claiming that Miles Austin is The BEST in the NFL?
ok

quick scan and this is all i could find........you really are sinking with this one....and you are about to run out of air.

I cant find a Cowboys an that said that Austin was the best in the NFL...and i am guessing if this is your best attempt, neither can you!
huh?

whatever.................you know thats BS. Bust my balls all you want, but the truth is.....KC Joyner based his article on his "metrics" that he pawns off to people for cash money.

So whats the point, KC Joyner called Miles Austin the Best WR in the NFL??

okay, then lets just all agree that he is an idiot and move on.

The point i was ma,king and made, was not one single Dallas Fan here said "Miles Austin is better then Andre Johnson" ......
wait, what? change of argument....

okay fine.....we get that.

You said that many people here in this thread...COWBOY fans were talking about Miles Austin being better then A.Johnson. I asked who?

I don't care about KC Joyner and his dumb ass metrics.

He makes a great deal of $$$$ on his books that have all these crazy metrics...one year he had Anthony Henry as a top rated CB based on his metrics.

I understand that KC said it.......and he put one-year metrics in his article to back it up. I get that and don't dispute.

What Cowboy fan here in ES said Miles Austin is as good or better then Andre Johnson?
lol, spin spin spin :dance:

[TonyRomoProBowl]

ok

ok

ok

huh?

wait, what? change of argument....

lol, spin spin spin :dance:

whatever...... i conceded that KC Joyner wrote an article based on his "metrics" that HE STATED Miles Austin was better then or "over took" Andre Johnson as the top WR. You guys win..........you get the "i won an argument ion the interwebz" award.

But take a look at the thread where that was brought up originally and not one Cowboy fan defended KC or agreed with him on that notion. Matter of fact, all the Dallas fans in that thread were laughing at the mere thought of it!

Silly ES.............

---------- Post added March-11th-2011 at 12:39 PM ----------


How things change. Remember a year ago when he was THE best WR in the league, better even than Andre Johnson? :ols: :ols: :ols:




:rotflmao:

All too well. I think it was TRPB and Mr. Jones who were actually arguing that. Don't worry though, I predict that next year Dez will start to be hyped as the best receiver in the league, too.

[Tweedr01]

whatever...... i conceded that KC Joyner wrote an article based on his "metrics" that HE STATED Miles Austin was better then or "over took" Andre Johnson as the top WR. You guys win..........you get the "i won an argument ion the interwebz" award.

But take a look at the thread where that was brought up originally and not one Cowboy fan defended KC or agreed with him on that notion. Matter of fact, all the Dallas fans in that thread were laughing at the mere thought of it!

Silly ES.............

---------- Post added March-11th-2011 at 12:39 PM ----------


:beavisnbutthead::beavisnbutthead::beavisnbutthead ::beavisnbutthead:
:bow:
:1stplace:
Thank you thank you, I'm gonna put it right next to my "I won an argument with my wife" award

[TonyRomoProBowl]

:beavisnbutthead::beavisnbutthead::beavisnbutthead ::beavisnbutthead:
:bow:
:1stplace:
Thank you thank you, I'm gonna put it right next to my "I won an argument with my wife" award


damn...im still waiting on one of those......will be 16 years March 31st and i still haven't got one of those!

[Tweedr01]

damn...im still waiting on one of those......will be 16 years March 31st and i still haven't got one of those!
ok ok....i'll be honest...even if you 'win' an argument with the wife, you never really 'win' the argument....you just get to watch tv all night...on the couch.....oooooo that uncomfortable couch :shakingfist:http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/al-hakim-shaking-fist.jpg

[tr1]

Ware however wasn't the problem and continues to be a top 5 defensive player in the NFL regardless of scheme, matchup or anything else. Your continued calling of him "where" is just laughable at this point as he continues to turn in what looks to be a hall of fame career.

Where's sacks are a product of scheme.

I'm not laughing.

;)

[HapHaszard]

damn...im still waiting on one of those......will be 16 years March 31st and i still haven't got one of those!

43 years and I am still waiting on mine. :)

[Oversized Toddler]

ok ok....i'll be honest...even if you 'win' an argument with the wife, you never really 'win' the argument....you just get to watch tv all night...on the couch.....oooooo that uncomfortable couch :shakingfist:http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/al-hakim-shaking-fist.jpg

A great man once said, you can be right or you can be happy. You can't be both. Ask your wife if she'll be wrong and give you head at the same time :ols:

[Califan007]

okay fine.....we get that.

You said that many people here in this thread...COWBOY fans were talking about Miles Austin being better then A.Johnson. I asked who?
No I dint lol :ols:...I think I only posted in this thread once. And that post didn't even mention Miles Austin or what Cowboys fans thought of him.

---------- Post added March-13th-2011 at 09:28 AM ----------


A great man once said, you can be right or you can be happy. You can't be both. Ask your wife if she'll be wrong and give you head at the same time :ols:

:ols: :yes:

Another great man said "Fellas, don't argue!...You can NOT win! You can not beat a woman in an argument. It's impossible...cuz, men, we are handicapped when it comes to arguing...cuz we have a need to make sense."

[Oversized Toddler]

Another great man said "Fellas, don't argue!...You can NOT win! You can not beat a woman in an argument. It's impossible...cuz, men, we are handicapped when it comes to arguing...cuz we have a need to make sense."

:ols: That comes up a lot when I argue with my wife. She'll say something completely irrelevant or ridiculous, and I counteract it with something that makes sense. Then she either gives me the dreaded look, or stutters her way to an irrational statement. To which I reply, "I apologize, I forgot there's no need to bring logic and reason into an argument with a woman." In the end, she ultimately wins, because she spends the night on a comfortable queen bed while I lay on our second hand couch watching 37 consecutive episodes of Sportscenter with some late night infomercials peppered in for a little flavor.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Where's sacks are a product of scheme.

I'm not laughing.

;)

no....but we all are!!!!

[Tweedr01]

No I dint lol :ols:...I think I only posted in this thread once. And that post didn't even mention Miles Austin or what Cowboys fans thought of him.

---------- Post added March-13th-2011 at 09:28 AM ----------



:ols: :yes:

Another great man said "Fellas, don't argue!...You can NOT win! You can not beat a woman in an argument. It's impossible...cuz, men, we are handicapped when it comes to arguing...cuz we have a need to make sense."
That sir, is from Chris Rock, and is entirely, 100%....true.

---------- Post added March-14th-2011 at 08:49 AM ----------


:ols: That comes up a lot when I argue with my wife. She'll say something completely irrelevant or ridiculous, and I counteract it with something that makes sense. Then she either gives me the dreaded look, or stutters her way to an irrational statement. To which I reply, "I apologize, I forgot there's no need to bring logic and reason into an argument with a woman." In the end, she ultimately wins, because she spends the night on a comfortable queen bed while I lay on our second hand couch watching 37 consecutive episodes of Sportscenter with some late night infomercials peppered in for a little flavor.
lol, this just happened, although my wife never stutters, she just makes something up...and it is gospel....even if it never happened, haha

[pjfootballer]

I don't care how much my wife and I argue. I'm not giving up my bed. She can put a divider in between us if she wants, but screw that. Not sleeping on a couch.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I don't care how much my wife and I argue. I'm not giving up my bed. She can put a divider in between us if she wants, but screw that. Not sleeping on a couch.

i only sleep on the couch when i fall asleep there watching football film, which is quite often actually.

[Tweedr01]

I don't care how much my wife and I argue. I'm not giving up my bed. She can put a divider in between us if she wants, but screw that. Not sleeping on a couch.
apparently you have never met my wife when she is angry, meet mrs. tweedr01:
http://media.weirdworm.com/img/misc/good-bad-and-morally-ambigous/beauty.jpg

[Kapolani]

Where's sacks are a product of scheme.

I'm not laughing.

;)

I'm curious...

How does that number 98 fella get all those sacks for y'all?

Scheme, correct?

If that is true, then he is rubbish to, correct?

So, taking that even further there are no great defensive players because it's all scheme!

[Oversized Toddler]

I don't care how much my wife and I argue. I'm not giving up my bed. She can put a divider in between us if she wants, but screw that. Not sleeping on a couch.

So, is she handicapped, or do you have so much testosterone that her estrogen can't bust through the barrier? Either way, you need to teach me your secret. If my wife told me to sleep on the couch and I said no, I wouldn't be married anymore. I did make my wife sleep on the couch one time. It was epic, and a rare accomplishment among married men from what I've heard. I gloated about it all day the next day. Then it was my turn on the couch :ols:

[ouvan59]

. If my wife told me to sleep on the couch and I said no, I wouldn't be married anymore.

Maybe you don't need to be married anymore. This whole sleep on the couch thing is pretty stupid. If my wife ever suggested that I sleep on the couch I would laugh as I crawled under the covers. If she felt that it was absolutely imperative that we not share sleeping accomodations that night then the onus is on her to find the alternate site. It's our bed, not hers.

[Califan007]

Maybe you don't need to be married anymore. This whole sleep on the couch thing is pretty stupid. If my wife ever suggested that I sleep on the couch I would laugh as I crawled under the covers. If she felt that it was absolutely imperative that we not share sleeping accomodations that night then the onus is on her to find the alternate site. It's our bed, not hers.

I think if most wives "tell" their husbands to sleep on the couch, they do so by getting mad, going silent, storming into the bedroom and locking the door behind them lol...at that point might as well pull out the extra blanket and watch Sportscenter for awhile on the couch.

[Hitman21ST]

at that point might as well pull out the extra blanket and watch Sportscenter for awhile on the couch.

That's what I do...Sportscenter, NFLN, or some good old Xbox.

[Oversized Toddler]

Maybe you don't need to be married anymore. This whole sleep on the couch thing is pretty stupid. If my wife ever suggested that I sleep on the couch I would laugh as I crawled under the covers. If she felt that it was absolutely imperative that we not share sleeping accomodations that night then the onus is on her to find the alternate site. It's our bed, not hers.

It's not really a control issue, as I guess it might seem to be from the outside. It's like Califan said, it's more of a point or a look, not her verbally or physically forcing me, although she has said the words before. She, like my kids, know they are my only soft spots.

Honestly, sucking it up and sleeping on the couch, especially when you're wrong or messed up big time, is part of what keeps things running smooth. Why go to bed making her even more upset, raising the tension/stress levels even more? That just leads to a bigger fight, because as we all know, women let NOTHING go. I do it out of respect, as I'm sure other husbands do.

[ConnSKINS26]

I mean, the "not messing up big time" strategy would probably work pretty well, but I'm only 21, what do I know ;)

[Oversized Toddler]

I mean, the "not messing up big time" strategy would probably work pretty well, but I'm only 21, what do I know ;)

It's ok, just do like I do. make it up as you go along. I've been married 12 years, and this is still my strategy in most cases :ols: When in doubt, let her think you're the dumbest SOB on Earth. It will get you out of more trouble than any advice ever could.

[Califan007]

I mean, the "not messing up big time" strategy would probably work pretty well, but I'm only 21, what do I know ;)

It's funny that you think it's actually possible for a man to never "mess up big time" in a woman's eyes :ols:...

[ConnSKINS26]

It's funny that you think it's actually possible for a man to never "mess up big time" in a woman's eyes :ols:...

I must be lucky. I've had many girlfriends, a few very serious ones, and then my current long-term relationship...and the girl I'm with now isn't like this at all. Never argue, never have a fight that isn't a stupid spat born from being around each other too much...We just mesh well. I must just be very lucky so far...oh, and she loves football and can even play Madden with me, in addition to all the other stuff we have in common...yeah, I'm guessing I've just hit a lucky streak so far :ols:

[Oversized Toddler]

I must be lucky. I've had many girlfriends, a few very serious ones, and then my current long-term relationship...and the girl I'm with now isn't like this at all. Never argue, never have a fight that isn't a stupid spat born from being around each other too much...We just mesh well. I must just be very lucky so far...oh, and she loves football and can even play Madden with me, in addition to all the other stuff we have in common...yeah, I'm guessing I've just hit a lucky streak so far :ols:

Wait until you get married. Unfortunately, they all change eventually.

[ConnSKINS26]

Wait until you get married. Unfortunately, they all change eventually.

That's why I don't plan on getting married for a VERY long time, even if this one sticks. Just in case.

[Koolblue13]

I'm glad I've never been married, but my last ex did get mad because I would routinely fall asleep on the couch and not come to bed.

[Califan007]

I must be lucky. I've had many girlfriends, a few very serious ones, and then my current long-term relationship...and the girl I'm with now isn't like this at all. Never argue, never have a fight that isn't a stupid spat born from being around each other too much...We just mesh well. I must just be very lucky so far...oh, and she loves football and can even play Madden with me, in addition to all the other stuff we have in common...yeah, I'm guessing I've just hit a lucky streak so far :ols:

1) You're only 21
2) They're girlfriends lol :)

#1 means you've not been in a relationship longer than a few years probably at this point in your life...#2 means even if you have, she did not commit to spending the rest of her life with you lol :D...Once that happens, the game changes in certain ways for both of you.

"Whenever you think about this person in terms of maybe spending your future with them, you have to magnify every little thing about them.

The guy will be like, “I don’t think her eyebrows are even. I can’t believe it. Her eyebrows are uneven. Could I look at uneven eyebrows for the rest of my life?” And of course, the woman’s thinking, “What is he looking at? Do I want someone looking at me like this for the rest of my life?” ~Seinfeld


"No matter what you do, your women is mad at you...and the number one reason your woman is always mad, fellas...the number one reason your woman is always pissed the **** off .... cause you ain`t her first choice.

Fellas, you ever catch your woman lookin at you but not saying nothing? In her mind she`s thinkin, "How did I end up with this ugly mother****er. Good Lord this man is ugly & stupid. I had a good man & I blew it. Lord, kill this man now." ~Chris Rock

[ConnSKINS26]

:ols: :ols:

Now those are some great quotes. And some valuable insight!

---------- Post added March-15th-2011 at 06:37 AM ----------

Man this thread took a strange turn :ols:

[Tweedr01]

I mean, the "not messing up big time" strategy would probably work pretty well, but I'm only 21, what do I know ;)
“Don't argue! You cannot win, you cannot beat a woman in a arguement. It's impossble you will not win. Cause men, we are handicapped when it comes to arguing cause we have a need to make sense”
- Chris Rock

Learn young grasshopper haha

---------- Post added March-15th-2011 at 09:27 AM ----------


wait until you get married. Unfortunately, they all change eventually.
qft

---------- Post added March-15th-2011 at 09:28 AM ----------


I'm glad I've never been married, but my last ex did get mad because I would routinely fall asleep on the couch and not come to bed.
yeah it's a bad habit. when i was younger i would always watch adult swim on cartoon network, now when i try to stay up for it i fall asleep within 5 minutes of family guy starting, lol. i mean seriously, i have to wade through the king of the hill to get 5 minutes of family guy, then boom, asleep on the couch.

---------- Post added March-15th-2011 at 09:29 AM ----------


1) You're only 21
2) They're girlfriends lol :)

#1 means you've not been in a relationship longer than a few years probably at this point in your life...#2 means even if you have, she did not commit to spending the rest of her life with you lol :D...Once that happens, the game changes in certain ways for both of you.

"Whenever you think about this person in terms of maybe spending your future with them, you have to magnify every little thing about them.

The guy will be like, “I don’t think her eyebrows are even. I can’t believe it. Her eyebrows are uneven. Could I look at uneven eyebrows for the rest of my life?” And of course, the woman’s thinking, “What is he looking at? Do I want someone looking at me like this for the rest of my life?” ~Seinfeld


"No matter what you do, your women is mad at you...and the number one reason your woman is always mad, fellas...the number one reason your woman is always pissed the **** off .... cause you ain`t her first choice.

Fellas, you ever catch your woman lookin at you but not saying nothing? In her mind she`s thinkin, "How did I end up with this ugly mother****er. Good Lord this man is ugly & stupid. I had a good man & I blew it. Lord, kill this man now." ~Chris Rock
Dangit, is that what she's thinking, I knew it, and she told me she was admiring me, LIES i tell you lies

[pjfootballer]

So, is she handicapped, or do you have so much testosterone that her estrogen can't bust through the barrier? Either way, you need to teach me your secret. If my wife told me to sleep on the couch and I said no, I wouldn't be married anymore. I did make my wife sleep on the couch one time. It was epic, and a rare accomplishment among married men from what I've heard. I gloated about it all day the next day. Then it was my turn on the couch :ols:

Well, I view the marriage as equal and no matter the argument and who is right or who is wrong, I'm still putting my 2 cents in on the argument. I'm a very good husband to her and if she thinks the grass is greener, go for it. That said, I don't think my wife would "literally" divorce me because I refused to sleep on the couch. I have no secret, I will apoligize if I am wrong, but I don't back down if I'm right.

---------- Post added March-15th-2011 at 02:15 PM ----------


Honestly, sucking it up and sleeping on the couch, especially when you're wrong or messed up big time, is part of what keeps things running smooth. Why go to bed making her even more upset, raising the tension/stress levels even more? That just leads to a bigger fight, because as we all know, women let NOTHING go. I do it out of respect, as I'm sure other husbands do.

I did sleep in the recliner one night, not because she made me, but we had a big blowout (they are rare) and I fell asleep watching TV. I just thought it was better for both of us to cool off. I've gone for a drive and a walk before.

[Koolblue13]

My Dad told me when I was younger, the secret to a good marriage is find something to apologize for every day.

[MR2Drift]

Came to talk about Austin, left as soon I realized the topic has derailed into husband wife relations.

[ConnSKINS26]

Came to talk about Austin, left as soon I realized the topic has derailed into husband wife relations.

It would be quite easy to steer the conversation back to Austin...by actually making a comment about him.

[Hitman21ST]

It would be quite easy to steer the conversation back to Austin...by actually making a comment about him.

Nothing to comment on, though, as he's the only Dallas WR who hasn't made an ass of himself so far this offseason.

[ConnSKINS26]

Nothing to comment on, though, as he's the only Dallas WR who hasn't made an ass of himself so far this offseason.

There's still time! :)

[Hitman21ST]

There's still time! :)

All you need to do is get him to flash that clown smile.

[Bibby]

All you need to do is get him to flash that clown smile.

Alien smile.. looks like an alien.

[Tweedr01]

All you need to do is get him to flash that clown smile.

Alien smile.. looks like an alien.

just awful, awful, terrible things you are saying....oh well picture to confirm

http://i48.tinypic.com/20a51qt.jpg

[Hitman21ST]

just awful, awful, terrible things you are saying....oh well picture to confirm

http://i48.tinypic.com/20a51qt.jpg

The guy has more gum than a Trident factory.

[MR2Drift]

Ewwww thats nasty , I take back what I said earlier go ahead and talk about relationship issues.