BREAKING NEWS- CNN: Obama shows original birth certificate; Trump: "I'm very proud of myself"

[Toe Jam]

Just announced on CNN.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/

The White House released President Obama's original birth certificate Wednesday.

The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.

[Homercles82]

First thing birthers will say is that it is a fake.

[aREDSKIN]

Just announced on CNN.

Waiting for link.
Well that clears it up.



Here's what CNN says

President Obama's long-form birth certificate is being released, the White House announced today.

www.cnn.com

[Toe Jam]

First thing birthers will say is that it is a fake.

No doubt.

[Skinz4Life12]

i can't believe people are still talking about this

[Homercles82]

No doubt.

"It's fake. He is the president, and can have one faked for him."

[skinsfan_1215]

Why the hell would he do that?

[Larry]

Can't imagine why he would do that.

[PennVic]

From the Twitter:

whitehouse The White House
Obama's long form birth certificate released so that America can move on to real issues that matter to our future http://goo.gl/fNmdR

[Clutch03]

Why the hell would he do that?

I was hoping he would never show it. It makes it easier to recognize the loonies. And it's entertaining to watch them. Kind of like those crazy people who talk to themselves on the corner.

[No Excuses]

This is a shame. He had nothing to prove to the morons of this country.

[authentic]

Interesting. Waiting for the fallout from this.

[skinsfan_1215]

I was hoping he would never show it. It makes it easier to recognize the loonies. And it's entertaining to watch them. Kind of like those crazy people who talk to themselves on the corner.

Exactly...

[PleaseBlitz]

Seriously, what is the point. The only people that think he doesnt have a birth certificate are exactly the same people that won't be convinced by ANY evidence. Obama could produce an 8mm film of his mother giving birth to him on Waikoloa Beach with hula dancers in the background and the birthers would say that it's a fake just like the moon landing. Mr. Obama, A) keep this crap out of the news and B) spend your time on things that arent pointless and retarded.

[greenspandan]

Can't imagine why he would do that.

seriously. boo!!!

well there goes my favorite messageboard topic :(

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

Donald Trump also plans to hold a news conference today, undoubtedly to fill us in on his investigative team on the ground in Hawaii. :ols:

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Now bring on the Vatellites.

It's a good thing the Birthers had a back up plan for just such an emergency.

[Gracelander]

Probably was in response to Trump, who should just keep his nose out of politics. I know others have wanted to see it but i'm sure it's just to shut up the rich bully.

[Spec138]

I think he was right to show it. They tried just ignoring it but when a man as influential as Trump starts using it to mount a campaign then yeah, I'd probably say **** it and show it too.

Also, I hate hearing the "He should be spending his time on more important things" argument when used for or against almost anything. I don't think 10 minutes, or even 10 hours of the President's time is really going to affect anything. Our government is designed to move slow.

[Thiebear]

Thank you Mr. President.
Running on transparency and following through even when not 100% needed goes above and beyond and should be recognized as such!

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Looks like Trump was on to something...that's why he had to beat him to the punch and release a fake birth certificate to try and derail his investigation.

I'm on to you Obama

[Special K]

OMG. Can we PLEASE, for the love of all that's HOLY stop talking about this crap!?!?! (not you Toe Jam, this is a plea to the plethora of dumbasses in America who think this is a legit issue). Seriously, I'm embarrassed that as a country, we are still focused on this. It's unbelievable. I just want to scream out "I'm surrounded by *******s!!!!"

[Bang]

Shrewd move.
Odds are loudmouth Trump will claim credit and his poll numbers will soar as a result.. (forcing other more qualfied candidates to either hop on the Loony Express or be left in the dust).
Manipulating the opposition like that is pretty sharp.

~Bang

[Boss_Hogg]

First thing birthers will say is that it is a fake.

It's already happening (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate/#comment)


On his long form again the same error race is listed for his father as African a term never used in the 60's for a person of color .... It denotes where he is from not his race


ummm Still don't believe this is legit. What took sooo long Obama???????????


Took them this long to fake a long form birth certificate!! I can get a fake ID quicker!!



he is not bIack by any stretch of the imagination.

Your kind however are the real racists seeing how you voted for him because of the color of his skin It couldn't have been for his record in the senate as he didn't have one worth mentioning.



If he was born in this country, then we have bigger problems than we thought. How could America put an American who was so anti-American in such a powerful role?

I still want a Carbon-14 test to date the certificate. Looks like it just came off of the printing press.


RIDDLE ME THIS OBAMMY SUPPORTERS , WHAT STATE IN THE USA WAS OBAMMY'S DADDYS BORN ? AND WHY WOULD OBAMMY'S DADDY BE VISITING THE UNITED STATES ON A STUDENT VISA ? WHICH BY THE WAY ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION WOULD MAKE OBAMMY INELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT !!!


:doh:

[AsburySkinsFan]

The terrorists have won!

[zoony]

First thing birthers will say is that it is a fake.


I predict the current percentage of birthers in the republican party to drop by at least a quarter of a percent.

[Madison Redskin]

I was listening to right-wing talk radio this morning, and the host asked why the Hawaii DoH officials didn't release the original to Obama. LOL. It's those types of intellectual juggernauts that are keeping this story alive.

[Toe Jam]

Donald Trump is speaking now.

"I'm very proud of myself. I accomplished something nobody else was able to accomplish. Our President has finally released a birth certificate"

[zoony]

OMG. Can we PLEASE, for the love of all that's HOLY stop talking about this crap!?!?! (not you Toe Jam, this is a plea to the plethora of dumbasses in America who think this is a legit issue). Seriously, I'm embarrassed that as a country, we are still focused on this. It's unbelievable. I just want to scream out "I'm surrounded by *******s!!!!"

Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

All my usual suspects are quiet on this right now.

WND is quiet. The PostEmail is quiet. FR has some posts but the strongest birthers have not posted yet. Dr. Kate has said nothing.

[Toe Jam]

Trump:

"I need to look at it, see that it's real."

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

this thread is like that bigfoot finding thread a couple years ago :ols:

[greenspandan]

personally, i find it disgusting that Obama felt he had to release these private, personal documents (something NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS EVER HAD TO DO) just because he is a black man with a weird name. of course, in the end, all the howling accusations of other-ness were based on nothing but prejudice. i hope that is obvious now.

[Boss_Hogg]

donald trump is speaking now.

"i'm very proud of myself. I accomplished something nobody else was able to accomplish. Our president has finally released a birth certificate"

lmao

[Toe Jam]

All my usual suspects are quiet on this right now.

WND is quiet. The PostEmail is quiet. FR has some posts but the strongest birthers have not posted yet. Dr. Kate has said nothing.

They're trying to develop new theories.

[Kosher Ham]

OMG. Can we PLEASE, for the love of all that's HOLY stop talking about this crap!?!?! (not you Toe Jam, this is a plea to the plethora of dumbasses in America who think this is a legit issue). Seriously, I'm embarrassed that as a country, we are still focused on this. It's unbelievable. I just want to scream out "I'm surrounded by *******s!!!!"


You and me...same page.

At this point it is too late to care or bother.

[Special K]

OMG, Donald Toupee is on the news claiming victory. And how proud he is of this accomplishment of his. Dear God, this country's ****ed.


Shrewd move.
Odds are loudmouth Trump will claim credit and his poll numbers will soar as a result.. (forcing other more qualfied candidates to either hop on the Loony Express or be left in the dust).
Manipulating the opposition like that is pretty sharp.

~Bang
You called it. And I agree with you, Trump is a very shrewd dude. Now if he could hire a freaking toupee consultant with the gazillion dollars he has, I might just vote for him.

[AsburySkinsFan]

From the White House

The so-called "birther" debate is "good politics" but "bad for the country," said Pfeiffer.
Taking the high road.

BTW, Mr. Trump :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:

[Boss_Hogg]

just goes to show that this county has a long ways to go in race relations.

very sad

[MattFancy]

So what is Trump going to talk about now?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Seriously, I have never seen Birferstan this quiet. I will not go to Orly Taitz's site as it is nothing but a malware warehouse. She may have something up.

[Kosher Ham]

K, only women care about his hair.

[Boss_Hogg]

So what is Trump going to talk about now?

how he WON the birther conspiracy by forcing Obama to release the certificate.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'm no Obama fan but I hate this stuff. Birthers are doing absolutely nothing to help get Obama out of office in 2012 by **** like this. He was born here, he's a citizen...If birthers and other wingnuts from both sides could have an out of body experience and see how ridiculous they look/act/sound this world might be a better place.

But then again, those people probably would be too stupid to amend their behavior.

[Toe Jam]

Trump:

"How did Obama get into Harvard? He wasn't a good student. Why doesn't he release his education records?"

[AsburySkinsFan]

how he WON the birther conspiracy by forcing Obama to release the certificate.

Even though it was his contention that Obama was born in Kenya, so the only thing he did was proved that he and Birtherland is full of idiots that are right to be ignored.

Donald Trump ran for the office of Court Jester in Birtherland and won by a landslide!!

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I'm disappointed with this for two reasons.

1. I don't think Obama should have ever given in on this issue.

2. I feel like my hobby is going to get a lot less interesting. Arguing with the Vattelites is pointless.

[skinsfan_1215]

how he WON the birther conspiracy by forcing Obama to release the certificate.

Just a thought, but this could really make Trump's poll number sky rocket, maybe even enough for him to actually run. Having him crapping up the debate during the GOP primaries has got to be a good thing for Obama. Maybe this is a smart move on his part.

[zoony]

This birther stuff is boring.

Look what I got a picture of yesterday. Who knows what this is?

[Special K]

Now Trump wants Obama's school transcripts :ols: :ols: :ols:

[Larry]

Since when has being wrong caused political loons to change their stance in any way?

Heck, look here in Tailgate, how many sound bites and slogans there are that have been shown to be untrue every single time they're posted, and yet the same people keep making them, every few weeks, years later.

[Toe Jam]

Now Trump wants Obama's school transcripts :ols: :ols: :ols:

He'll want Obama's marriage license next.

[Bliz]

There's about a 1 in 2,500 chance this will end the madness.

But from the other birther threads, I am very interested to hear where aRedskin now stands.

[Special K]

I'm disappointed with this for two reasons.

1. I don't think Obama should have ever given in on this issue.

I agree. I would have given the finger to everyone over this issue. In fact, I probably would have applied for a legal name change to mohamed or something just to really piss people off.

[Bliz]

This birther stuff is boring.

Look what I got a picture of yesterday. Who knows what this is?

The house where Elvis was born?

[zoony]

The house where Elvis was born?

dam, you guys are good.

[Toe Jam]

dam, you guys are good.

Elvis was born in Kenya?

[visionary]

Jesus, would someone shut Trump up.

[grhqofb5]

Hold on... its on green paper. That means its from Ireland. Proves nothing.

Edit: Also, if you look at the upper right hand corner of the document, you can see the word "white house" spelled out vertically. Clearly a fake produced by the White House.

[visionary]

CNN finally went away from Trump to go to Obama commenting on him. ha ha ha ha ha

[Dan T.]

Just a thought, but this could really make Trump's poll number sky rocket, maybe even enough for him to actually run. Having him crapping up the debate during the GOP primaries has got to be a good thing for Obama. Maybe this is a smart move on his part.

Good point. I hope it happens for the entertainment value.

Too bad though, that Trump will claim victory and drop all his birther bull**** like a bad habit instead of owning up to his hubris and stupidity.

[Special K]

This could make a great SNL skit.

[Bliz]

dam, you guys are good.

Stopped by about 10-12 years ago while I was headed to Oxford, Miss. Thought that pic looked familiar :)

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

The Post Email was woken up. Her headline:

Has the White House Has Released Obama’s Long-From Birth Certificate?

Well said, Sharon. Well said.

[Boss_Hogg]

This birther stuff is boring.

Look what I got a picture of yesterday. Who knows what this is?

fake picture, I want proof you there dammit.

[Larry]

Well, I did think of an optomistic way of looking at this, though.

I suppose that there's a chance that a lot of birthers have simply been stuck being birthers because they opened their mouths on the subject two years ago, and they'd rather continue being birthers than admit they were wrong.

(OK, maybe one or two birthers.)

Maybe this will give them an excuse to abandon the position that they've been wanting to abandon for years.

[Destino]

This is the stamp that should have appeared on the bottom.

http://2media.nowpublic.net/images//83/46/83466419c9a74399cdd9108b77a351b9.jpg

[War Paint]

Well, it looks like Trump finally forced Obama to do what he wanted.

[MattFancy]

How about Trump shows us his fiancial info?

[USS Redskins]

Even though I had no doubt he was born here, I have no problem with having to produce a birth certificate to qualify to run for president.

Hell, you have to produce one to get a drivers license and many other services in this society - whats wrong with a person potentially being the most important man in the world producing one to prove he is legally able to run.

[Teller]

Finally, the "Transparency President" becomes slightly so. Good for him. And I'm glad this is finally put to rest. :)

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Even though I had no doubt he was born here, I have no problem with having to produce a birth certificate to qualify to run for president.

Hell, you have to produce one to get a drivers license and many other services in this society - whats wrong with a person potentially being the most important man in the world producing one to prove he is legally able to run.

Then, I dunno, pass a goddamn law.

[Dan T.]

Even though I had no doubt he was born here, I have no problem with having to produce a birth certificate to qualify to run for president.

Hell, you have to produce one to get a drivers license and many other services in this society - whats wrong with a person potentially being the most important man in the world producing one to prove he is legally able to run.

:doh:

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Why is this even news when there is more pressing things to worry about? Yeah some of the Black Nationalists types on Blackplanet and facebook chat are disappointed that he is a citizen due to their warped POV of the nation and how heritage to them begins and ends with the father.

This should end the BS, but we still have idiots that still think 911 was an inside job by Dubba Ya and the boys, so maybe not.

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 09:15 AM ----------


Yes BHO is an US Citizen, his agenda, policy and ideology however comma causes a lot of people to wonder why is he so un-American when it comes to the nation.

That last sentence was coherent, making that post 1 for 3.

That's an incredible improvement over recent posts. Good to see you making an effort.

[USS Redskins]

OK, Dan T - you put a cutesy little icon in there.... Why am I wrong? I am not a "birther" I have always believed Obama was born here. I am not a fan of his presidency but I think he is a decent man .
I am not talking about this situation... I am talking about a candidate running for president.. which I thought I made clear...

Why shouldnt he have to prove he is constitutionally able to run and serve as president - whether his name is Pete Smith or Fred Hussein?

Maybe just so we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

[Boss_Hogg]

How about Trump shows us his fiancial info?

or what's under his comb-over.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Maybe just so we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

This situation has always been avoided - except for the one time we elected a black man with a funny name.

Maybe we need to pass a law that says that no black men with funny names can run for president. That way we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

[LadySkinsFan]

I wish they had waited until late October 2012 to release it. Talk about a deflation!

Addressing the issue of Obama's father's race written as "African." Aren't all Africans black? Isn't that what anybody immediately thinks when one hears African? I'm being snarky of course. Which is why I don't like the term African American because not all Africans are black. If I hear the term "South African" I think white. But not all black Africans live in the northern part of Africa. And not all white Africans live in South Africa. Sorry the ramblings, but sometimes these race issues just have me shaking my head when we are all human beings.

[Dan T.]

OK, Dan T - you put a cutesy little icon in there.... Why am I wrong? I am not a "birther" I have always believed Obama was born here. I am not a fan of his presidency but I think he is a decent man .
I am not talking about this situation... I am talking about a candidate running for president.. which I thought I made clear...

Why shouldnt he have to prove he is constitutionally able to run and serve as president - whether his name is Pete Smith or Fred Hussein?

Maybe just so we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

He DID prove it a long time ago with a document officially supplied by the State of Hawaii and recognized as sufficient proof of birth by everybody. Everybody except the birthers.

[Teller]

He DID prove it a long time ago with a document officially supplied by the State of Hawaii and recognized as sufficient proof of birth by everybody. Everybody except the birthers.

And your local MVA.

I recently moved back to Maryland, and couldn't get my driver's license because I had the copy that Obama had presented earlier. I had to get the copy displayed here to get a DL.

If it's not sufficient for driving a car, it's not sufficient for being the most powerful human being on earth, IMO.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I wish they had waited until late October 2012 to release it. Talk about a deflation!

Addressing the issue of Obama's father's race written as "African." Aren't all Africans black? Isn't that what anybody immediately thinks when one hears African? I'm being snarky of course. Which is why I don't like the term African American because not all Africans are black. If I hear the term "South African" I think white. But not all black Africans live in the northern part of Africa. And not all white Africans live in South Africa. Sorry the ramblings, but sometimes these race issues just have me shaking my head when we are all human beings.

My thought is that in 1961, there was a very big difference between a black African and a black American. It's entirely possible that Obama's father himself pushed this difference - out of some sense of superiority or some desire to distinguish himself as "different." Or others may have seen him as different. Who knows really?

I've read a lot of literature and seen a lot of film and this moment of Black Americans sizing up Africans is always fascinating. Malcolm X always talked about how Africans "know who they are" whereas blacks in America were "diluted" by white blood and lost in a wilderness - having lost their physical, historical, and genetic connections to Africa. There are great scenese in "When We Were Kings" where Muhammad Ali is talking about how free he feels in Zaire and how it amazes him that the pilots are black and the politicians are black and the business leaders are black. At the end, he says that the most important issue for blacks in America is "discovering their sense of self." Richard Pryor does a great bit in one of his concert films about he was standing in a city in Africa and voice inside his head asked him if he saw any "******s" and he said, "No."

I just think that it's possible that an educated man from Africa would not necessarily consider himself the same as a black man in America. Or some government employee may not have considered him the same. It's not like there was a computer program which only gave you five choices.

[MattFancy]

or what's under his comb-over.

YES! The American people deserve to know!

We'll start a group called the hairers! We want to see what's under the Donald's hair! Can't have a bald guy running this country!

[Boss_Hogg]

Maybe just so we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

If his name was Barry Harold Olsen then maybe this wouldn't have been an issue.

[Dan T.]

And your local MVA.

I recently moved back to Maryland, and couldn't get my driver's license because I had the copy that Obama had presented earlier. I had to get the copy displayed here to get a DL.

If it's not sufficient for driving a car, it's not sufficient for being the most powerful human being on earth, IMO.

Well to be fair, not many states would accept a birth certificate handwritten on the back of a Waffle House receipt. :silly:

[Madison Redskin]

Maybe just so we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

To do that, you will need a bunch of dudes to round up the loons and a big ass boat. Today's development isn't going to shut those morons up.

[thebluefood]

You know, the fact that this went three years into his presidency really doesn't speak very fell for the American People as a whole (or, at least the 25 percent or so that didn't think he was a naturally born United States citizen). We have a sagging economy and a foreign policy nightmare in the middle east, and yet all we can concentrate on is the President's birth certificate and the royal friggin' wedding.

There, birthers. It's over. He's a naturally born U.S. citizen. If you're not convinced now, nothing will ever convince you and you're just grasping at straws. If you actually knew anything about policy, you would have been debating (and I say debate, not shout "SOCIALIST") policy the whole time.

[Destino]

http://www.uncoverage.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Jerome-Corsi-book-cover.jpg

I wonder how this will effect sales?

[#98QBKiller]

Saw this on another forum:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/bhw1574/16f83017.gif

[Teller]

You know, the fact that this went three years into his presidency really doesn't speak very fell for the American People as a whole (or, at least the 25 percent or so that didn't think he was a naturally born United States citizen).

I'll grant you that. I've never been a birther, and I too see those people as comic relief for the masses.

But I also don't think it speaks well for a guy who campaigned on transparency, then gave us "we have to pass it to tell you what's in it." When you say that (paraphrasing) "I'm going to put everything out there. Nothing will be hidden." You have to expect questions when your track record becomes doing the exact opposite.

Nor does it speak well for those who constantly derided those of us who said, "this isn't an official birth certificate" when he released the COB. It wasn't.

[LadySkinsFan]

My thought is that in 1961, there was a very big difference between a black African and a black American. It's entirely possible that Obama's father himself pushed this difference - out of some sense of superiority or some desire to distinguish himself as "different." Or others may have seen him as different. Who knows really?

I've read a lot of literature and seen a lot of film and this moment of Black Americans sizing up Africans is always fascinating. Malcolm X always talked about how Africans "know who they are" whereas blacks in America were "diluted" by white blood and lost in a wilderness - having lost their physical, historical, and genetic connections to Africa. There are great scenese in "When We Were Kings" where Muhammad Ali is talking about how free he feels in Zaire and how it amazes him that the pilots are black and the politicians are black and the business leaders are black. At the end, he says that the most important issue for blacks in America is "discovering their sense of self." Richard Pryor does a great bit in one of his concert films about he was standing in a city in Africa and voice inside his head asked him if he saw any "******s" and he said, "No."

I just think that it's possible that an educated man from Africa would not necessarily consider himself the same as a black man in America. Or some government employee may not have considered him the same. It's not like there was a computer program which only gave you five choices.

I agree we will never know the motivation for putting "African" in the race section. Both parents are dead, and the certificate was submitted by Obama's mother, it's her signature on the bottom as the submitter. Maybe she herself drew that distinction, rather than marrying a Black or Negro man she married an African. Remember, Loving v. Virginia wasn't even decided until 1967 and Obama was born in 1961. Hawai'i wasn't one of the 16 states that disallowed mixed race marriage (and it was a black/white issue in those laws), so they were legally married in Hawai'i.

Thanks for posting those quotes. It's rather telling how American blacks felt when they traveled to a place where the predominate race was black and the experience was the direct opposite of what their experience was in America. It must have been so positive for them to not experience racism on a daily basis when interacting with whites.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'll grant you that. I've never been a birther, and I too see those people as comic relief for the masses.

But I also don't think it speaks well for a guy who campaigned on transparency, then gave us "we have to pass it to tell you what's in it." When you say that (paraphrasing) "I'm going to put everything out there. Nothing will be hidden." You have to expect questions when your track record becomes doing the exact opposite.

Nor does it speak well for those who constantly derided those of us who said, "this isn't an official birth certificate" when he released the COB. It wasn't.

Agreed with all points.

It's just sad to see what straws people will grasp at these days. Obama wins fair and square and people cling to this to hope that he's not a born citizen. They get worked up into a frenzy over it...it's funny but very sad at the same time.

My mom and I got into an argument about it the other day, with her getting all uppity saying "WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO HIDE?! WHATS THE BIG SECRET?" and later wondering what "religion" would be marked on the certificate as she thinks he's a Muslim :doh:

I replied by telling her that I hadn't studied a lot of birth certificates in my day but I was pretty sure there's no box for a religion to be put on them. I also reminded her of her love for the founding fathers and how one of their founding beliefs was freedom of religion.

As I said before, I'm no Obama fan but it's just really sad to see people jumping through their own *******s to find some dirt on the guy.

[Skins_Fan82]

This is a shame. He had nothing to prove to the morons of this country.

Exactly. Why even acknowledge them? Let the weirdos continue to buy into the nonsense...

[visionary]

Thanks for posting those quotes. It's rather telling how American blacks felt when they traveled to a place where the predominate race was black and the experience was the direct opposite of what their experience was in America. It must have been so positive for them to not experience racism on a daily basis when interacting with whites.

Well...African countries haven't exactly been a paradise of non-racism and ethnic unity either in the past few decades or so...probably far worse than in the US in a lot of places, I'd say. Not to mention the constant violence and civil wars in most of them.

[AsburySkinsFan]

And your local MVA.

I recently moved back to Maryland, and couldn't get my driver's license because I had the copy that Obama had presented earlier. I had to get the copy displayed here to get a DL.

If it's not sufficient for driving a car, it's not sufficient for being the most powerful human being on earth, IMO.

You had to get a copy of your long form to get a driver's license? I want to see the law that states that is necessary. Heck I didn't need the long form to get a passport, and you needed one for a driver's license? Sorry, but that smells sour to me.

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 10:53 AM ----------



I wonder how this will effect sales?
I thought about that as well the timing of the release of that book and the long form couldn't be more perfect.

[MLSKINS]

He gets killed for not showing the Birth Certificate.

He gets killed when he does show it.

The man can't win........

Except in 2012

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/cmcbride1/RUNNING.gif

[Buford]

epic mistake by the WH IMO.

Releasing it gives too easy of an out to doubters. Now only the super crazy can run with this.

[Teller]

You had to get a copy of your long form to get a driver's license? I want to see the law that states that is necessary. Heck I didn't need the long form to get a passport, and you needed one for a driver's license? Sorry, but that smells sour to me.

"Original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate filed with a State Office of Vital Statistics (OVS) or equivalent agency in the applicant's state of birth (U.S. or territorial)* NOTE: Birth documents issued by a hospital, notifications of birth registration, birth registration cards, and foreign birth certificates are not accepted."

http://www.mva.maryland.gov/Driver-Services/Apply/proof.htm (http://http://www.mva.maryland.gov/Driver-Services/Apply/proof.htm)

[Rdskns2000]

http://www.uncoverage.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Jerome-Corsi-book-cover.jpg

I wonder how this will effect sales?

Well, maybe they can sell a copy of Obama's Birth Certificate with the book.

[Buford]

A better question is, if you are going to do it, why take so long? This has everything to do with Trump and strengthens his position. But that could be exactly what Obama wants.

good point. Maybe Obama sees this as something to embolden Trump to keep going, which in the end helps Obama.

[LadySkinsFan]

Well...African countries haven't exactly been a paradise of non-racism and ethnic unity either in the past few decades or so...probably far worse than in the US in a lot of places, I'd say. Not to mention the constant violence and civil wars in most of them.

I have to agree with you. But we're getting a little off topic in this particular thread. Maybe a new thread?

[USS Redskins]

He DID prove it a long time ago with a document officially supplied by the State of Hawaii and recognized as sufficient proof of birth by everybody. Everybody except the birthers.

Right... I know he released it.... I was just talking about making it a rule in the future to avoid this silliness.

so I just hope now this ends it all.

[Boss_Hogg]

Corsi on White Supremecist Radio Show (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/14/jerome-corsi-obama-nation_n_119034.html)

[Unforgiven]

He's not far left, he's more of a centrist. He just appears far to your left when you're so far to the right.

[LadySkinsFan]

He's not far left, he's more of a centrist. He just appears far to your left when you're so far to the right.

Really! Obama is way far right of my liberal views. He's where Nixon was.

[sjinhan]

And your local MVA.

I recently moved back to Maryland, and couldn't get my driver's license because I had the copy that Obama had presented earlier. I had to get the copy displayed here to get a DL.

If it's not sufficient for driving a car, it's not sufficient for being the most powerful human being on earth, IMO.

you know the ironic thing about this long form is that... the state of Hawaii no longer certifies the long form. So you actually can't use the long form as a form of ID.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html

[bcl05]

And your local MVA.

I recently moved back to Maryland, and couldn't get my driver's license because I had the copy that Obama had presented earlier. I had to get the copy displayed here to get a DL.

If it's not sufficient for driving a car, it's not sufficient for being the most powerful human being on earth, IMO.

Really? I just moved back to MD too. I only have a short-form BC (original lost in a fire). Got my driver's license just fine.

[Destino]

Really? I just moved back to MD too. I only have a short-form BC (original lost in a fire). Got my driver's license just fine.

Maybe they thought HH looked like an illegal immigrant.

[Bang]

OMG, Donald Toupee is on the news claiming victory. And how proud he is of this accomplishment of his. Dear God, this country's ****ed.


You called it. And I agree with you, Trump is a very shrewd dude. Now if he could hire a freaking toupee consultant with the gazillion dollars he has, I might just vote for him.

:ols:
i think you've got me backwards,, I mean it's a shrewd move on the president's part.

And Trump appears to be taking the bait.

What better way than to score your least competent opponent big points?
This isn't a win for the right. ... unless you DO want Trump capturing the hearts of the GOP, and moving closer to a nomination.

~Bang

[MattFancy]

Why is Trump claiming victroy though? Doesn't this make him look like a fool since Obama really does have a BC showing he was born here?

[bcl05]

The more I think about it, the more I think this timing is brilliant by Obama. It gives Trump a victory, and some weird kind of legitimacy. It allows Trump to move on to some other ridiculous agenda and keeps him in the GOP forefront. Obama thrives if Trump becomes a real player in the GOP, because Trump can never really be taken seriously by most Americans...

[Bang]

Why is Trump claiming victroy though? Doesn't this make him look like a fool since Obama really does have a BC showing he was born here?

No, he can claim he forced the President to do it,, something no one else could do.

Which is exactly why I think O showed it.

~Bang

[Henry]

I'm not sure Obama is that shrewd.

[Koolblue13]

I'm not sure Obama is that shrewd.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obamas-deficitreduction-plan-includes-spending-cut,20195/

According to a fact sheet issued by the White House, the proposed measures include slashing farm subsidies, cutting federal pension insurance, tricking Fort Knox security personnel into thinking that the president and five others are ordinary elevator repairmen, capping Medicaid's outlays on equipment, shaping C4 charges to blast 21-inch-thick vault doors off their hinges, and curbing discretionary spending.

[Spaceman Spiff]

As political strategies go, is this why Obama waited so long to do this? He could have done it during the election and put it to rest (sort of...the wingnuts would still probably be doubtful).

But now the timing is pretty interesting. He'll be ramping up the re-election campaign soon and he just made Trump and all the birthers look like idiots. Seems like now there won't be any dirt for his opponents to cling to... no more Rev. Wright, no more birth certificate stuff, no more talk about Ayers. Unless some huge revelation comes to light, the GOP will have nothing on these lines to talk about unless they feel like re-hashing stuff from 4 years ago which will make them seem petty and desperate. Which they are.

[HogNose]

It's ridiculous that this was ever an issue. If President Obama wasn't born in the United States then he never would have made it past his initial announcement (February 10, 2007) that he was running or into the first primary. He had nothing to prove after being vetted the first time.

[greenspandan]

until now he probably figured the absurdity would go away on its own, and releasing the stupid thing would only validate the demands of a crazy minority. however, since Trump joined the fray and since the number of people who doubted his citizenship was actually (ludicrously) on the RISE, he probably figured this was the best way to put it to rest. bleah.

[MattFancy]

No, he can claim he forced the President to do it,, something no one else could do.

Which is exactly why I think O showed it.

~Bang

But how does that do anything for Trump? That would be like me saying your real name isn't Bang, then you show me your BC and it shows your real name is Bang. Even though I got you to show it to me, wouldn't it make me look like an idiot for calling you out on it?

[Bang]

But how does that do anything for Trump? That would be like me saying your real name isn't Bang, then you show me your BC and it shows your real name is Bang. Even though I got you to show it to me, wouldn't it make me look like an idiot for calling you out on it?

He's already rolling in the polls on just his blustering about this stupid stuff. The people he is appealing to don't care if he looks like an idiot, to them he looks like a hero for making the president cave in and finally show it. He will now stand up and trumpet (pardon the pun) this "success" of his as loud as he can. And his followers will lap it up, carry him around on their proverbial shoulders, which will force more air-time for him and more soundbytes and more headlines, and very likely more support.
To them he just slapped Obama. And that is all they really want anyway.

~Bang

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Yea, Trump is the only "Republican" who can claim that he got Obama to do what he wanted. That's all Trump needs.

"Just like I made President Obama to release his birth certificate, I will make OPEC cut the cost of gasoline."

"Just like I got President Obama to show his birth certificate, I will get the Chines to stop stealing American jobs."

Trump has a "record" now.

[Bang]

Yea, Trump is the only "Republican" who can claim that he got Obama to do what he wanted. That's all Trump needs.

"Just like I made President Obama to release his birth certificate, I will make OPEC cut the cost of gasoline."

"Just like I got President Obama to show his birth certificate, I will get the Chines to stop stealing American jobs."

Trump has a "record" now.

Ding!
Exactly.
And there's no way O's camp doesn't know and encourage that.

~Bang

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Ding!
Exactly.
And there's no way O's camp doesn't know and encourage that.

~Bang

This is classic "pick your opponent" type stuff.

PS

Donald Trump: I'll release my tax returns if President Obama shows his birth certificate

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-19/news/29470064_1_tax-returns-obama-releases-birther-issue

[sacase]

This situation has always been avoided - except for the one time we elected a black man with a funny name.

Maybe we need to pass a law that says that no black men with funny names can run for president. That way we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

I find comment like this really demeaning, the race card crutch is really getting old fast. I prefer to forgo it and stand on my own merits, but hey, that's just me. Then again I am a black conservative so go figure.

[ZoEd]

Honestly, Trump was a BO supporter. I think he is doing this to submarine the Republicans and get BO elected for a second term. I mean, he really can't be that ignorant, can he? There has to be a hidden agenda and being a sabatorer wouldn't be far fetched for a man whose made billions being a shady business man.

[Box76]

You know, the fact that this went three years into his presidency really doesn't speak very fell for the American People as a whole (or, at least the 25 percent or so that didn't think he was a naturally born United States citizen). We have a sagging economy and a foreign policy nightmare in the middle east, and yet all we can concentrate on is the President's birth certificate and the royal friggin' wedding.

There, birthers. It's over. He's a naturally born U.S. citizen. If you're not convinced now, nothing will ever convince you and you're just grasping at straws. If you actually knew anything about policy, you would have been debating (and I say debate, not shout "SOCIALIST") policy the whole time.

You mean it doesnt speak well for Obama, since he could have done this a couple of years ago. The American People have a right to be dilligent in their search for any and all answers.

Ironically, the new 'document' has seemed to raise even more questions. Obama was adopted yet this copy doesnt reflect this change. If it really came from Hawaii it has to be by law updated. This updated form is the ONLY ONE Obama could have received. Some things never die. :ols:

[Predicto]

Even though I had no doubt he was born here, I have no problem with having to produce a birth certificate to qualify to run for president.

Hell, you have to produce one to get a drivers license and many other services in this society - whats wrong with a person potentially being the most important man in the world producing one to prove he is legally able to run.


And your local MVA.

I recently moved back to Maryland, and couldn't get my driver's license because I had the copy that Obama had presented earlier. I had to get the copy displayed here to get a DL.

If it's not sufficient for driving a car, it's not sufficient for being the most powerful human being on earth, IMO.


I'll grant you that. I've never been a birther, and I too see those people as comic relief for the masses.

But I also don't think it speaks well for a guy who campaigned on transparency, then gave us "we have to pass it to tell you what's in it." When you say that (paraphrasing) "I'm going to put everything out there. Nothing will be hidden." You have to expect questions when your track record becomes doing the exact opposite.

Nor does it speak well for those who constantly derided those of us who said, "this isn't an official birth certificate" when he released the COB. It wasn't.

This is not true, H_H. I'm amazed that you think it is.

What Obama released 2 and a half years ago IS the OFFICIAL Hawaiian document for proving your birth. The ONLY one. The fact that Obama has provided a different document doesn't change the fact that what he gave us all along was the real deal, absolute legal proof of his birth, the same as anyone else born in Hawaii would get from the State of Hawaii Government when they ask for their birth certificate.

There is so much goddamn fog thrown out there on this issue, I'm not surprised that the general public gets confused, but I thought that everyone on this board understood this (except the ones that done's want to understand it... see below.....)




You mean it doesnt speak well for Obama, since he could have done this a couple of years ago. The American People have a right to be dilligent in their search for any and all answers.

Ironically, the new 'document' has seemed to raise even more questions. Obama was adopted yet this copy doesnt reflect this change. If it really came from Hawaii it has to be by law updated. This updated form is the ONLY ONE Obama could have received. Some things never die. :ols:

And here we have the wingnut spin. Expect a lot more "this raises more questions than it answers" as their fevered minds start spinning. :ols:

[Koolblue13]

You mean it doesnt speak well for Obama, since he could have done this a couple of years ago. The American People have a right to be dilligent in their search for any and all answers.

Ironically, the new 'document' has seemed to raise even more questions. Obama was adopted yet this copy doesnt reflect this change. If it really came from Hawaii it has to be by law updated. This updated form is the ONLY ONE Obama could have received. Some things never die. :ols:

Holy crap. :facepalm:

[JimboDaMan]

Any birther who accepts this is even dumber than I originally thought. The previous document had all the info necessary to prove natural born citizenship, and the state of Hawaii vouched for it, and the state of Hawaii produced this current document, so they should believ it because.....

I'm joking, but I'm serious too. All the buffoons who've been saying "but we just want to see it" when it made no sense at all, now have a choice of looking like a bigger buffoon by accepting this, or looking like a bigger buffoon by not accepting what they cried for all along.

[Predicto]

Any birther who accepts this is even dumber than I originally thought. The previous document had all the info necessary to prove natural born citizenship, and the state of Hawaii vouched for it, and the state of Hawaii produced this current document, so they should believ it because.....

I'm joking, but I'm serious too. All the buffoons who've been saying "but we just want to see it" when it made no sense at all, now have a choice of looking like a bigger buffoon by accepting this, or looking like a bigger buffoon by not accepting what they cried for all along.

You are attributing logic to something that is purely emotional.

This is a "victory" for the birthers. They forced Obama to acknowledge them and their nonsense, thus proving to them that their "concerns" and demands were legitimate all along. Just look at this thread, where people are saying "Finally, Obama is being transparent."

The birthers (and birther enablers) love Donald Trump for a reason. He is standing up to the evil Obama and making him account for himself just like they themselves would do! :ols:

[LadySkinsFan]

I find comment like this really demeaning, the race card crutch is really getting old fast. I prefer to forgo it and stand on my own merits, but hey, that's just me. Then again I am a black conservative so go figure.

Okay, tell me 1 other president that had to go through showing his actual birth certificate.

[scruffylookin]

Memo to President Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party.

STOP PANDERING TO THE NUTS!!!!!

I'm sick and tired of treating these nutjob teabaggers like they are sane, let alone relevent.

This release does nothing but imbolden them.

[LadySkinsFan]

Who said Obama was adopted? He wasn't. Jeez, where do people get this stuff?

[Monte51Coleman]

Mr. Trump, you're fired.

[Predicto]

Who said Obama was adopted? He wasn't. Jeez, where do people get this stuff?

From the conservative alternative media echo chamber. Places like FreeRepublic, WorldNetDaily, the Post and Email, FoxNation message boards, etc. People speculate, or just make crap up, and it gradually becomes truth to those who distrust the mainstream media and get all their information from such sources.

[Teller]

Really? I just moved back to MD too. I only have a short-form BC (original lost in a fire). Got my driver's license just fine.

I'm glad they're convenient somewhere. But as I posted, the person who did that was wrong.

[War Paint]

He's already rolling in the polls on just his blustering about this stupid stuff. The people he is appealing to don't care if he looks like an idiot, to them he looks like a hero for making the president cave in and finally show it. He will now stand up and trumpet (pardon the pun) this "success" of his as loud as he can. And his followers will lap it up, carry him around on their proverbial shoulders, which will force more air-time for him and more soundbytes and more headlines, and very likely more support.
To them he just slapped Obama. And that is all they really want anyway.

~Bang

I agree with this. I sometimes read forums from the far-left and the far-right. On the far-right forums, most of them believe Obama was born in the country. They simply loved the fact that Trump is relentless when attacking Obama.

I am surprised that Obama caved to Trump this soon. If I was Obama, it seems like I would have waited until mid-2012 too release my birth certificate. I just heard Trump on the radio and he's still in attack mode. I think Obama was hoping Trump would get in defense mode and he's not. Trump has been pressing Obama to release his BC and now he has. The president caved in to Trump.

[greenspandan]

Ironically, the new 'document' has seemed to raise even more questions.

if anyone ever needs proof that it is literally impossible to change the mind of a conspiracy theorists no matter how much logic and proof is provided, please refer to Box76's posting history.

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 04:57 PM ----------


I am surprised that Obama caved to Trump this soon. If I was Obama, it seems like I would have waited until mid-2012 too release my birth certificate. I just heard Trump on the radio and he's still in attack mode. I think Obama was hoping Trump would get in defense mode and he's not. Trump has been pressing Obama to release his BC and now he has. The president caved in to Trump.

i think obama's timing was perfect, considering the May 17th release date of this book:
http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Wheres-the-Birth-Certificate-Jerome-Corsi-300x300.jpg

[Larry]

Eff it. It's not worth putting up with the crazy.

[bcl05]

I'm glad they're convenient somewhere. But as I posted, the person who did that was wrong.

I didn't say that they were convenient, or that they weren't rude and petty. But I got my license with my short-form "Certificate of Live Birth". Given how detail-oriented and petty they were with my previous registration (they didn't like my Tennessee documentation at all), I strongly suspect that they would have discounted the birth certificate if they had any grounds to do so.

[DjTj]

I'm glad they're convenient somewhere. But as I posted, the person who did that was wrong.Can you point to some kind of rule or regulation that backs up this rule? The MVA says:

• Original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate filed with a State Office of Vital Statistics (OVS) or equivalent agency in the applicant's state of birth (U.S. or territorial)* NOTE: Birth documents issued by a hospital, notifications of birth registration, birth registration cards, and foreign birth certificates are not accepted.

http://www.mva.maryland.gov/Driver-Services/Apply/proof.htm

It seems like the certified copy that Obama obtained from Hawaii would have satisfied that.

There may only be one way to settle this, and I think we're going to need to see h_h's long-form and short-form birth certificates.

[No Excuses]

if anyone ever needs proof that it is literally impossible to change the mind of a conspiracy theorists no matter how much logic and proof is provided, please refer to Box76's posting history.

I wasn't even aware of the "Obama is adopted" conspiracy.

You learn something new everyday.

[thebluefood]

From the conservative alternative media echo chamber. Places like FreeRepublic, WorldNetDaily, the Post and Email, FoxNation message boards, etc. People speculate, or just make crap up, and it gradually becomes truth to those who distrust the mainstream media and get all their information from such sources.

You think the Washington Post is conservative? Good lord, you must think Karl Marx was a member of the John Birch Society, too. :ols:

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 01:11 PM ----------


I wasn't even aware of the "Obama is adopted" conspiracy.

You learn something new everyday.

People never fail to amaze you...especially the stupid.

[Teller]

There may only be one way to settle this, and I think we're going to need to see h_h's long-form and short-form birth certificates.

No problem.

Give me about 3 years. :)

[DjTj]

No problem.

Give me about 3 years. :)Touche.

Actually, I'm really only interested in seeing the "birth certificate" that was rejected by the MVA. I am imagining something written in crayon on the back of a restaurant placemat.

[ThinSkin]

Great. Now can we see his grades from Columbia and Harvard, or is that asking too much?

[Teller]

Touche.

Actually, I'm really only interested in seeing the "birth certificate" that was rejected by the MVA. I am imagining something written in crayon on the back of a restaurant placemat.

You give my dad too much credit. The placemat part was right, but it's actually finger paint. ;)

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Great. Now can we see his grades from Columbia and Harvard, or is that asking too much?
Magna Cum Laude should tell you all you need to know. :)

[Bliz]

Great. Now can we see his grades from Columbia and Harvard, or is that asking too much?

A joke? One can only hope.

But it's what we should expect from the birthers and hyper-partisans. Immediately start moving the goalposts. Gotta love these guys... Eric Cantor is now criticizing Obama for addressing the birther issues. All his party's presidential candidates and half of the base are treating this like its the most important issue of the election - "why wont he just address the issue" they say, and after he does, we see the 2nd leading GOP congressman bashing him for addressing it. Criticizing him for doing something they've been asking (or daring?) him to do...? ugh. Unbelievable. (By which I mean, totally expected and believable from our worthless politicians.)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/27/cantor_surprised_by_obama_birth_certificate_releas e.html

[Predicto]

Great. Now can we see his grades from Columbia and Harvard, or is that asking too much?

And that relates to his constitutional eligibility how, exactly?

Oh wait, I forgot. You're just asking questions. :)

Well, I can answer half of your question. Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School. That means his grades at the most prestigious law school in the country placed him in the top ten percent of the graduating class.

[thebluefood]

Great. Now can we see his grades from Columbia and Harvard, or is that asking too much?

Please tell me this is a joke.

[Hubbs]

You think the Washington Post is conservative? Good lord, you must think Karl Marx was a member of the John Birch Society, too. :ols:

I'm guessing he meant the NY Post.

[Predicto]

From the conservative alternative media echo chamber. Places like FreeRepublic, WorldNetDaily, the Post and Email, FoxNation message boards, etc. People speculate, or just make crap up, and it gradually becomes truth to those who distrust the mainstream media and get all their information from such sources.


You think the Washington Post is conservative? Good lord, you must think Karl Marx was a member of the John Birch Society, too. :ols:



I'm guessing he meant the NY Post.


You dorks.

I mean what I said - a far-right conservative birther website called "The Post and Email."

Google it and check it out if you want to see sedition in action. People there regularly call for military coups and the hanging of Obama. :)

[JimboDaMan]

I'm glad they're convenient somewhere. But as I posted, the person who did that was wrong.I doubt that very much. Not that it happened to you, but I doubt that the people accepting the short form were wrong. Nobody in my family has a long form birth certificate except my oldest who got one three months ago from DC. Hasn't ever stopped any of us from driver's licenses, passports, even returning to cruise ships in the Caribbean in lieu of a passport. I'd say the person who made you get a long form was either wrong or suspected that you were up to something.

[Larry]

Please tell me this is a joke.

Oh, come on. Of course it's a joke.

(The question is: Was it an intentional joke?)

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.frumforum.com/the-birther-disgrace/comment-page-1#comment-282491



The Birther Disgrace

Even for the small band that sustained the phony controversy until now, the birth certificate so-called issue ends today.

Any last lingering doubts that maybe, perhaps, a pregnant Stanley Anne Dunham in the summer of 1961 boarded a propeller plane from Honolulu to Los Angeles, then from Los Angeles to New York City, then from New York City to Gander, then from Gander to London, then from London to Nairobi – and then repeated the trip backward a few weeks later – all so that her baby could acquire Kenyan nationality – those doubts are definitively squelched, as they should have been three years ago.

Now the more haunting question: How did this poisonous and not very subtly racist allegation get such a grip on our conservative movement and our Republican party?

I know there will be Republican writers and conservative publicists who will now deny that birtherism ever did get a grip. Sorry, that’s just wrong. Not only did Trump surge ahead in Republican polls by flaming racial fires – not only did conservative media outlets from Fox to Drudge to the Breitbart sites indulge the birthers – but so also did every Republican candidate who said, “I take the president at his word.” Birthers did not doubt the president’s “word.” They were doubting the official records of the state of Hawaii. It’s like answering a 9/11 conspiracist by saying, “I take the 9/11 families at their word that they lost their loved ones.”

Yet even now, the racialist aspect of the anti-Obama movement has not subsided. Trump has moved from the birth certificate to questioning the president’s academic qualifications for the Harvard Law School. Trump himself was a troubled student (at one point he attended a military school) who nonetheless gained admission to Wharton. His father’s wealth and business success cannot have hurt with that application. Yet he feels himself qualified to pronounce on who is and who is not smart enough to attend Harvard Law. Barack Obama graduated magna cum laude. (And to anticipate a new line of attack – yes, Harvard Law School exams were blind-graded.) He was elected editor of the law review. And his classmates, left and right, universally admired his abilities.

I wish it were otherwise, but it does seem that these racialized attacks on Obama have exacted a toll on him. But they also have exacted a toll on the opposition to Obama. The too-faint repudiation of birtherism by regular Republicans has shaped not only the Obama brand, but also the Republican brand. It was not only white people who heard the implied message about who counts and who does not count as a “real American.”

I write as an opponent of virtually every major and minor action of this administration. Republicans should be fighting this president on policy, not winking at those who use race as a weapon. It’s worth recalling the generous words of John McCain on election night 2008:


[T]hough we have come a long way from the old injustices that once stained our nation’s reputation and denied some Americans the full blessings of American citizenship, the memory of them still had the power to wound. A century ago, President Theodore Roosevelt’s invitation of Booker T. Washington to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage in many quarters. America today is a world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. There is no better evidence of this than the election of an African-American to the presidency of the United States. Let there be no reason now for any American to fail to cherish their citizenship in this, the greatest nation on Earth.

And those who imagine that they somehow enhance the value of that citizenship by belittling the American-ness of their president – they not only disgrace the politics they uphold, but they do damage that will not soon be forgotten by the voters a revived Republicanism must win.

[JimboDaMan]

Great. Now can we see his grades from Columbia and Harvard, or is that asking too much?Donald? Is that you?

[USS Redskins]

It is a fake:

from smoking gun:

This morning’s White House release of President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the “birther” movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene.

So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”

[abdcskins]

This is the dumbest news story of the year.

People really believe he wasn't born in the USA? Grasping for straws.

[Predicto]

It is a fake:

from smoking gun:

This morning’s White House release of President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the “birther” movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene.

So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”


See LKB, you don't have to worry. Your favorite subject (and mine) aren't going away just yet. :ols:

[DjTj]

First thing birthers will say is that it is a fake.This thread delivers.


It is a fake:

from smoking gun:

This morning’s White House release of President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the “birther” movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene.

So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”:ols:

[The Evil Genius]

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

Because the parents didn't sign it until April 7th, 1961. Probably at or near time of discharge from hospital.

Wait, was that all a joke?

:doh:

[No Excuses]

I think it's a joke.

Hard to tell though.

[Predicto]

Because the parents didn't sign it until April 7th, 1961. Probably at or near time of discharge from hospital.

Wait, was that all a joke?

:doh:

Or because the administrator let a bunch of them pile up on his desk before processing a batch every week or so - like every other bureaucrat that ever lived.

Oh this is going to get funner, I think. Whee!

[The Evil Genius]

Although - if they wanted to lock onto something. They could ask how a local government agency dated it for a Saturday (which April 8, 1961 is).

[Drew_Fl]

Trump's press conference was awesome. He said things that made me shake my head, then he said things that made me smile. No matter your opinion of him, at least he's entertaining and says stuff that real politicians can't say.

If any republican (trump included) was going to mount a campaign soldiering the birther cause, they would truly be idiots in the first place. It's such a weak platform to run on. The chances of you looking like an idiot: 99.9%. The chance of you being right: .1%.

I think if Trump would've come out originally with the stuff he was talking about today (OPEC, Gas prices, China, US economy, US jobs) people would be MUCH more receptive than they will be in the future. It really shouldn't be that hard for a republican to mount a successful campaign in the next presidential election, but i'm sure they will find some way to muck it up.

[ACW]

Corsi's still at it: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292213
:nutkick:

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 02:56 PM ----------

jcorsi@worldnetdaily.com
Have fun :evilg:

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Coris:


Moreover, said the author, today's White House action raises more questions than it answers: "Obama spent a fortune on attorneys to block release of this document. Why? The same attorneys are still blocking release of many other vital documents – his school, medical, passport and other documents routinely released by all presidents, but steadfastly hidden by Obama. Will he now release those as well?"

Read more: 'Obama blinked. Now game begins' http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292213#ixzz1KkfYVw2D

I want to know what these attorneys are doing to hide all these documents? Using incantations learned at Hogwarts?

Here is how one would attempt to obtain Obama's school records.

Step 1: Write a letter to the school asking for Obama's school records.

Step 2: Be told that the school cannot release the records under state and federal privacy laws.

Step 3: There is no step three.

[Tweedr01]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now what will we talk about at our meetings?

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I find comment like this really demeaning, the race card crutch is really getting old fast. I prefer to forgo it and stand on my own merits, but hey, that's just me. Then again I am a black conservative so go figure.
lies lies i tell you, those don't exist!

[Corcaigh]

He should have sold signed copies for $50,000 each and donated the money to charity.

Anyway, the fuss will continue. A black man is not eligible to be President in the birther's view of reality. They just need a new reason why he's not eligible.

[greenspandan]

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

yes, an 81 year old man dying is certainly a suspicious turn of events!!

[thebluefood]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now what will we talk about at our meetings?

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lies lies i tell you, those don't exist!

*raises my hand*

[Bang]

yes, an 81 year old man dying is certainly a suspicious turn of events!!

Very convenient, I say. Almost... almost too convenient.

Who else to choose for the execution of the critical component of the deception but a man who would be dead when the answers were needed?
Obviously they got his signature, and then suddenly murdered him to shut him up with a vicious attack that lasted over 40 years.

It is OBVIOUS that this man is ruthless in his intent to destroy the United States!

~Bang

[DCranon21]

Great. Now can we see his grades from Columbia and Harvard, or is that asking too much?

This has to be a joke, right?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Very convenient, I say. Almost... almost too convenient.

Who else to choose for the execution of the critical component of the deception but a man who would be dead when the answers were needed?
Obviously they got his signature, and then suddenly murdered him to shut him up with a vicious attack that lasted over 40 years.

It is OBVIOUS that this man is ruthless in his intent to destroy the United States!

~Bang

Look, everything in the birther worldview furthers the conspiracy.

The newspaper announcements of Obama's birth? Grandma put them there to throw people off. Because in 1961, when a white 17 year old married a Kenyan and gave birth to a mixed-race child, the first thing that a grandparent thought was "We need to make sure he is eligible to be president some day....."

[JimboDaMan]

Very convenient, I say. Almost... almost too convenient.

Who else to choose for the execution of the critical component of the deception but a man who would be dead when the answers were needed?
Obviously they got his signature, and then suddenly murdered him to shut him up with a vicious attack that lasted over 40 years.

It is OBVIOUS that this man is ruthless in his intent to destroy the United States!

~BangI have it from an impeccable source - some rightwing blog somewhere, or maybe I just made it up - that the paralells between this man's convenient death and Vince Foster proves the existence of a Democrat serial killer.

[Dan T.]

Shocking photograph evidence that as a younger man, Barack Hussein Obama was a Somali pirate:
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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/04/24/magazine/24Cover/24Cover-popup.jpg

[tdigle]

Glad that I couldn't give two ***** about Obama's place of birth (still don't like him).

[Heisenberg]

Trump is so full of hot air . . .

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/04/27/trump_made_in_china/

[Teller]

Shocking photograph evidence that as a younger man, Barack Hussein Obama was a Somali pirate

Unlike Clinton, the president's "sword" is not "normal in size, shape and direction." :ols:

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

You know what the saddest thing is about this Birther nonsense and the personal hate Obama gets? He has probably the most amazing story of any president in our history. A bi-racial baby born in the middle of the Civil Rights era when interracial marriage was still illegal in many states, an immigrant Muslim/Athiest/Marxist/revolutionary absentee father who died young and never knew his son, a eccentric mother who moved Obama around the world who also died young, white grandparents who ignored the norms of the time and raised him with absolute love, working his way through the most prestigious school in the country and graduating with honors, beginning his career helping poor people in Chicago, and then becoming the first Black president in a country who still battles the legacies of slavery.

Regardless of political and policy differences, that's a story that should be celebrated. Instead we get bull**** about his origins, his religion and his eligibility. History won't be kind to many.

[skinsfan_1215]

You know what the saddest thing is about this Birther nonsense and the personal hate Obama gets? He has probably the most amazing story of any president in our history. A bi-racial baby born in the middle of the Civil Rights era when interracial marriage was still illegal in many states, an immigrant Muslim/Athiest/Marxist/revolutionary absentee father who died young and never knew his son, a eccentric mother who moved Obama around the world who also died young, white grandparents who ignored the norms of the time and raised him with absolute love, working his way through the most prestigious school in the country and graduating with honors, beginning his career helping poor people in Chicago, and then becoming the first Black president in a country who still battles the legacies of slavery.

Regardless of political and policy differences, that's a story that should be celebrated. Instead we get bull**** about his origins, his religion and his eligibility. History won't be kind to many.

Good post. I have a feel the history books will be much kinder to Pres Obama in this regard. His story really is amazing.

[Koolblue13]

You know what the saddest thing is about this Birther nonsense and the personal hate Obama gets? He has probably the most amazing story of any president in our history. A bi-racial baby born in the middle of the Civil Rights era when interracial marriage was still illegal in many states, an immigrant Muslim/Athiest/Marxist/revolutionary absentee father who died young and never knew his son, a eccentric mother who moved Obama around the world who also died young, white grandparents who ignored the norms of the time and raised him with absolute love, working his way through the most prestigious school in the country and graduating with honors, beginning his career helping poor people in Chicago, and then becoming the first Black president in a country who still battles the legacies of slavery.

Regardless of political and policy differences, that's a story that should be celebrated. Instead we get bull**** about his origins, his religion and his eligibility. History won't be kind to many.

I seriously hope you are not suggesting we actually discuss real issues.

j/k, Great post and I agree. I am no fan, but agree with everything you said.

[Ellis]

ok, I'm not a birther or a Conspiracy Theorist... but some random customer was just here who apparently is. He was ranting about all this stuff. He mentioned something about a Social Security card issued from CT for Obama and Obama refuses to talk about it.

...ok so what the hell is he talking about? :ols:

[visionary]

You know what the saddest thing is about this Birther nonsense and the personal hate Obama gets? He has probably the most amazing story of any president in our history. A bi-racial baby born in the middle of the Civil Rights era when interracial marriage was still illegal in many states, an immigrant Muslim/Athiest/Marxist/revolutionary absentee father who died young and never knew his son, a eccentric mother who moved Obama around the world who also died young, white grandparents who ignored the norms of the time and raised him with absolute love, working his way through the most prestigious school in the country and graduating with honors, beginning his career helping poor people in Chicago, and then becoming the first Black president in a country who still battles the legacies of slavery.

Exactly! It all seems a just little too good to be true, doesn't it.

Almost as if this were a Hollywood movie and not someone's life.


Hmmm, Hollywood...liberals...Obama....conspiracy.


I may be on to something here.

:evilg:

[Tweedr01]

Very convenient, I say. Almost... almost too convenient.
Who else to choose for the execution of the critical component of the deception but a man who would be dead when the answers were needed?
Obviously they got his signature, and then suddenly murdered him to shut him up with a vicious attack that lasted over 40 years.

It is OBVIOUS that this man is ruthless in his intent to destroy the United States!

~Bang
the highlighted i read in a foghorn leghorn accent....

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 05:02 PM ----------

I will say this, I do agree somewhat with GACOLB, while I represent the conservative side I do believe he has an amazing story of getting to where he is.....it'll be on A&E soon, lol

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

ok, I'm not a birther or a Conspiracy Theorist... but some random customer was just here who apparently is. He was ranting about all this stuff. He mentioned something about a Social Security card issued from CT for Obama and Obama refuses to talk about it.

...ok so what the hell is he talking about? :ols:

Oh, God. Where to begin?

Orly Taitz - attorney/dentist/real estate agent/immigrant/bat **** crazy birther - hired an "investigator" with "Scotland Yard" credentials. That "investigator" typed in "Barack Obama' in a search engine and come up with 39 matches. One of the matches was for a gentleman born in, I believe, 1890 in and - to be completely honest, I don't completely understand this conspiracy theory - somehow Taitz made the leap that Obama was using this dead man's Social Security number.

As I said, I'm generally lost by this theory as I have a very difficult time following what the hell Orly is talking about, but there is also a claim that the Social Security number that Obama claims as his real one has a prefix that is attached to the state of Connecticut.

The takeaway is that a lot of companies have access to these kinds of search programs and they are notoriously unreliable. They are the sort of thing used in collections work. Basically, they come up with anything remotely close to your name and regurgitate it back to you. If you search me in one of these, it will say that I currently live in six different states for example and it will also say that I died in 2002 because that's when the grandfather I was named after died. It's a tool, but according to Orly, it's proof that Obama committed identity theft and fraud on multiple occasions.

[redskins59]

No matter what Obama does, the birthers will always believe he was born in Kenya.
As for Trump, he isn't running because he would have to disclose his wealth.

[Predicto]

Oh lol.

Fox just can't help itself. It really can't.

http://i.imgur.com/BkpI5.gif (http://imgur.com/BkpI5)

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/27/barack-obama-birth-doctor-delivery-birth-certificate-ivalee-sinclair-dr-david-a-sinclair-attendant/

[Madison Redskin]

NSFW

http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-unable-to-produce-certificate-proving-hes-no,20250/

[DieselPwr44]

Chris Matthews is devastated by the release of Obama's birth certificate. He was convinced Obama was born in a manger in Bethlehem....

[ConnSKINS26]

Poor aRedskin :(

[Predicto]

Poor aRedskin :(

Oh no, he was "just asking questions." Why is Obama so afraid of simple questions?

[boofMcboof]

I've been apathetic to this whole topic but I did download the PDF of the birth certificate long-form and opened it up in Illustrator, on the news that an econ-blogger did the same.

In fact, there are some questionable aspects to the file. If this was supposed to be a scanned document why is the inked text on a separate layer from the background and why is the date stamped on the lower left hand corner also on another layer separate from the other inked text AND the background.

This is not what I would expect from a scanned document.

[Predicto]

I've been apathetic to this whole topic but I did download the PDF of the birth certificate long-form and opened it up in Illustrator, on the news that an econ-blogger did the same.

In fact, there are some questionable aspects to the file. If this was supposed to be a scanned document why is the inked text on a separate layer from the background and why is the date stamped on the lower left hand corner also on another layer separate from the other inked text AND the background.

This is not what I would expect from a scanned document.

That is how PDFs work, in fact, it is the whole point of using the PDF format rather than a simple jpeg. The text is scanned seperately and overlaid so that you can perform text search functions on long documents. It's the reason that Adobe makes money selling Acrobat to people.

I suspect that birthers will not figure that out for a while.

[ThinSkin]

You all seem like reasonable people. I'm sure nobody here would object to having this document examined by an independant expert.

[Madison Redskin]

You all seem like reasonable people. I'm sure nobody here would object to having this document examined by an independant expert.

And after it's examined by an independent expert, people who doubt the authenticity of the certificate will make yet another demand. Do you know why? Because nothing will satisfy them as they are ****ing loons.

[polywog999]

You all seem like reasonable people. I'm sure nobody here would object to having this document examined by an independant expert.

:ols: There is not a god damned thing anyone can do to make this go away, is there?

[Predicto]

You all seem like reasonable people. I'm sure nobody here would object to having this document examined by an independant expert.

Not at all. Do you think that anyone will bother? The last time, Obama had the birth certificate in his campaign office for over a year. No one came to look at it except the Chicago Sun-Times and FactCheck (an arm of the St Petersberg, Fla newspaper).

Or are you suggesting birther "experts" like Dr. Ron Polarik and Techdude? :ols:

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:ols: There is not a god damned thing anyone can do to make this go away, is there?

Nope. Not a thing. Facts don't matter. This is about emotion, and about taking sides. It will never be resolved to the satisfaction of the birthers and birther apologists, because it isn't about the document. It's about whether you accept Obama as your legitimate President.

[Larry]

Are we certain he wasn't born in Western Australia? (said the Perther)

[Madison Redskin]

It's about whether you accept Obama as your legitimate President.

Of course, he's not a legitimate President. He's an A-rab Mooslem.

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[polywog999]

It's starting to get embarrassing, now! Fools, repent! Own this fail and apologize to Obama! Man up!

[Predicto]

Of course, he's not a legitimate President. He's an A-rab Mooslem.



No he's not. He's a black separatist thug.

No he's not. He's a communist fellow traveller.

No he's not. He's an elitist snob.

No he's not. He's a Chicago Machine Gangster.

No he's not. He's a closeted gay and Michelle is his beard.

No he's not. He's a stupid, affirmative action, teleprompter-dependent Urkel.

Or all of those things. What he isn't is a REAL president.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I liked what McCain was trying to do there, and I know that McCain is probably a good guy deep down.

However, I didn't like the fact that "He's an Arab" was answered with "No, he's a decent man..."

Arabs =/= decent people apparently.

[visionary]

"Obama's an Arab" video

Ha ha ha! "He's not?" She sounded so confused when McCain corrected her.

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 07:53 PM ----------


I liked what McCain was trying to do there, and I know that McCain is probably a good guy deep down.

However, I didn't like the fact that "He's an Arab" was answered with "No, he's a decent man..."

Arabs =/= decent people apparently.

Yeah, obviously that's what he meant...:rolleyes:

McCain just hates them Arabs. :ols:


Clearly he was giving a comprehensive defense of Obama, by saying what he was.
Obama being a decent person was unrelated to him not being an Arab.

[Predicto]

I liked what McCain was trying to do there, and I know that McCain is probably a good guy deep down.

However, I didn't like the fact that "He's an Arab" was answered with "No, he's a decent man..."

Arabs =/= decent people apparently.


Ha ha ha! "He's not?" She sounded so confused when McCain corrected her.

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 07:53 PM ----------



Yeah, obviously that's what he meant...:rolleyes:

McCain just hates them Arabs. :ols:


Clearly he was giving a comprehensive defense of Obama, by saying what he was.
Obama being a decent person was unrelated to him not being an Arab.


Yeah, I agree. That was one of McCain's finer moments, and was well done given that it was an off the cuff answer.

[Heisenberg]

I'm sorry but this is just absurd.

If you seriously believe that Obama might have been born anywhere other than United States then you're not just a loon, you're a ****ing moron. Period.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Ha ha ha! "He's not?" She sounded so confused when McCain corrected her.

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 07:53 PM ----------



Yeah, obviously that's what he meant...:rolleyes:

McCain just hates them Arabs. :ols:


Clearly he was giving a comprehensive defense of Obama, by saying what he was.
Obama being a decent person was unrelated to him not being an Arab.


Yeah, I agree. That was one of McCain's finer moments, and was well done given that it was an off the cuff answer.

No no, I guess I wrote that wrong.

I was proud of McCain for doing that. It just came out weird I think. It came off like Arabs aren't decent people even though that's obviously not what he meant.

[boofMcboof]

That is how PDFs work, in fact, it is the whole point of using the PDF format rather than a simple jpeg. The text is scanned seperately and overlaid so that you can perform text search functions on long documents. It's the reason that Adobe makes money selling Acrobat to people.

I suspect that birthers will not figure that out for a while.


I'm sorry, I still don't understand why, if they're trying to prove the document exists, they would do an OCR scan instead of a simple image scan. It's not like every letter and number was lifted either. Without a doubt the PDF shows digital manipulation, even if it's mostly just sharpening. Why even go down that road?

[Predicto]

I'm sorry but this is just absurd.

If you seriously believe that Obama might have been born anywhere other than United States then you're not just a loon, you're a ****ing moron. Period.

Just asking questions man. Don't the American people deserve the truth? Why does this subject make you Obamamites so nervous?

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 05:02 PM ----------


I'm sorry, I still don't understand why, if they're trying to prove the document exists, they would do an OCR scan instead of a simple image scan. It's not like every letter and number was lifted either. Without a doubt the PDF shows digital manipulation, even if it's mostly just sharpening. Why even go down that road?

:evil:


Actually, there would be the same sort of objections no matter what format they used. Birthers were convinced that the last one was a forgery because they didn't understand how jpeg compression works, and one ignorant fool claimed he found "photoshop artifacts" in the jpeg.

There literally is no way to do this to their satisfaction other than to have Glenn Beck hand deliver a certified copy to each of them personally.

[GhostofSparta]

You all seem like reasonable people. I'm sure nobody here would object to having this document examined by an independant expert.

Depends. Is "independent expert" a codeword for "partisan hack who will ignore the evidence and agree with what I say"? Or is it just that anybody who disagrees with you is not an "independent expert" but rather somebody who's paid off/in on the conspiracy?

[DRSmith]

Depends. Is "independent expert" a codeword for "partisan hack who will ignore the evidence and agree with what I say"? Or is it just that anybody who disagrees with you is not an "independent expert" but rather somebody who's paid off/in on the conspiracy?

Jerome Corsi

[JimboDaMan]

You all seem like reasonable people. I'm sure nobody here would object to having this document examined by an independant expert.This is precisely the kind of stupidity we all expected. The document, like the previous one, has been certified by the State of Hawaii. Anyone not liking that is welcome to jump in a boat and sail off whereever else you wish as long as you cease fouling our country.

[DRSmith]

Watching Trump on The Arena right now and what a joke, the sheer stupidity of some people is sad

I wonder how much Trump paid these people who whispered into his ear they had evidence.

[mardi gras skin]

Oh my. I just saw a clip of Donald's "I'm very proud of myself" speech. He's just too stupid to be embarrassed for himself, isn't he?

I'm not a fan of President Obama at all. But if my choices are President Obama or the Donald, I'll find someway to vote for Obama twice.

[AzSkinsFan63]

Looks legit to me...

So this definitely means he's a "natural born" citizen in my book. Born in the USA and a mother who is a natural born citizen. I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad...:)

[JimboDaMan]

Looks legit to me...

So this definitely means he's a "natural born" citizen in my book. Born in the USA and a mother who is a natural born citizen. I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad...:)Pray tell, what new piece of data on this document convinced you? I mean, what was on this one that wasn't on the short one that made a difference?

[mistertim]

Part of me wonders if the Obama administration actually expected this whole thing to get even more loony once he produced the new evidence. Or maybe they even counted on it. You have the lunatic fringe going on and on about how he isn't a citizen and can't be President, etc...no matter how many times they are proven wrong. And then he produces what they had been asking for and the birthers turn around and start questioning the validity of THAT as well, making them look even more insane.

[DRSmith]

Part of me wonders if the Obama administration actually expected this whole thing to get even more loony once he produced the new evidence. Or maybe they even counted on it. You have the lunatic fringe going on and on about how he isn't a citizen and can't be President, etc...no matter how many times they are proven wrong. And then he produces what they had been asking for and the birthers turn around and start questioning the validity of THAT as well, making them look even more insane.

Well now we see race becoming more of an issue again

[ThinSkin]

Depends. Is "independent expert" a codeword for "partisan hack who will ignore the evidence and agree with what I say"? Or is it just that anybody who disagrees with you is not an "independent expert" but rather somebody who's paid off/in on the conspiracy?

One or two experts that people on both sides of the issue could say are fair and impartial. Like Boof said earlier. the Obama Administration left this unsettled by releasing it in the form they did.

[Predicto]

Looks legit to me...

So this definitely means he's a "natural born" citizen in my book. Born in the USA and a mother who is a natural born citizen. I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad...:)


Pray tell, what new piece of data on this document convinced you? I mean, what was on this one that wasn't on the short one that made a difference?


:secret: he thinks he's being clever. He's falling back to the De Vattel theory - Obama can't be natural-born because both of his parents weren't American Citizens.

Sure didn't see THAT one coming. :ols:

[Heisenberg]

One or two experts that people on both sides of the issue could say are fair and impartial. Like Boof said earlier. the Obama Administration left this unsettled by releasing it in the form they did.

:rotflmao:

[Prosperity]

I would have let the birthers linger around a little bit longer and released it right before 2012... but I guess he figured they already had plenty of rope

[Predicto]

One or two experts that people on both sides of the issue could say are fair and impartial. Like Boof said earlier. the Obama Administration left this unsettled by releasing it in the form they did.

He has the paper copy. How do you suggest he should have shown it to you other than by a computer image?

And there aren't two sides of this issue. On one side is everyone with a brain, and on the other side is birthers, none of whom is an expert. The birthers think that Rush freaking Limbaugh and Glenn freaking Beck and Ann freaking Coulter are in on the cover-up. What possible "expert" would satisfy them other than another Birther?

[mistertim]

:rotflmao:

:ols: You really just can't even make this stuff up.

[DCranon21]

One or two experts that people on both sides of the issue could say are fair and impartial. Like Boof said earlier. the Obama Administration left this unsettled by releasing it in the form they did.

Wow, just wow. How much proof do you all need? Like tim said, you can't make this stuff up :ols:

[AzSkinsFan63]

Pray tell, what new piece of data on this document convinced you? I mean, what was on this one that wasn't on the short one that made a difference?

The fact the long form exists...

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 05:47 PM ----------


:secret: he thinks he's being clever. He's falling back to the De Vattel theory - Obama can't be natural-born because both of his parents weren't American Citizens.

Sure didn't see THAT one coming. :ols:

What the heck are you talking about now...

[Predicto]

What the heck are you talking about now...


You said: "So this definitely means he's a "natural born" citizen in my book. Born in the USA and a mother who is a natural born citizen. I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad... :) "

What did you mean by the 2 out of 3 part (if not the De Vattel nonsense)?

[JimboDaMan]

The fact the long form exists...But there's nothing on it that provides additional citizenship information. And it was issued by the same people who issued the short form that you apparently didn't have confidence in.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Orly Taitz is on MSNBC right now.....


This is hilarious...must see tv.

[DCranon21]

Orly Taitz is on MSNBC right now.....


This is funny..:ols:

---------- Post added April-27th-2011 at 08:52 PM ----------

That lady is a loon, why would they even let her on the show.

[DRSmith]

This is funny..:ols:

Typical of the Republicans and their supporters now it seems

[Larry]

That lady is a loon, why would they even let her on the show.

Ah, answered your own question, I see. :halo:

[mistertim]

Orly Taitz is on MSNBC right now.....


This is hilarious...must see tv.

Not near the TV right now. Someone fill me in! What crap is she spouting now?

[Predicto]

Orly Taitz is on MSNBC right now.....


This is hilarious...must see tv.


This is funny..:ols:

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That lady is a loon, why would they even let her on the show.

Who wouldn't want to watch that?

[DRSmith]

Not near the TV right now. Someone fill me in! What crap is she spouting now?

Trying going on about his social security number

She just got the boot

[AzSkinsFan63]

You said: "So this definitely means he's a "natural born" citizen in my book. Born in the USA and a mother who is a natural born citizen. I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad... :) "

What did you mean by the 2 out of 3 part (if not the De Vattel nonsense)?

Being born in the USA would automatically qualify him. But I could definitely see litigation if both parents were non-citizens. Now how that ended up in court I have no clue. I'm not trying to defend either way.
His mother begin born in the USA and him also I believe, would never see the light of day in court. That's all.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I wonder what's going through Lou Dobbs' mind right now.

He was pushing this birther nonsense pretty hard.

[Predicto]

Being born in the USA would automatically qualify him. But I could definitely see litigation if both parents were non-citizens. Now how that ended up in court I have no clue. I'm not trying to defend either way.
His mother begin born in the USA and him also I believe, would never see the light of day in court. That's all.

Aw, you disappoint me. I was all amped-up for a de Vattel debate. I know that subject like the back of my hand.

:kickcan:

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I wonder what's going through Lou Dobbs' mind right now.

He was pushing this birther nonsense pretty hard.

He's probably wondering where his career went. :ols:

[mistertim]

He's probably wondering where his career went. :ols:

Or wondering where the illegal workers he hired went.

[DCranon21]

The youtube video should be posted up real soon with the interview.

[JimboDaMan]

Being born in the USA would automatically qualify him. But I could definitely see litigation if both parents were non-citizens. Now how that ended up in court I have no clue. I'm not trying to defend either way.
His mother begin born in the USA and him also I believe, would never see the light of day in court. That's all.The way you said "2 out of 3" it sounded like you were prepping the argument that both parents had to be citizens. If that's not your intent then cheers.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Sean Hannity and Juan Williams are discussing this issue right now.

I don't have to tell you what Hannity is saying. :ols:

[hkHog]

Who cares. When is Obama going to produce his college transcripts? I've been asking this for three years. This is the only presidential candidate in my lifetime that has not done so.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

There is no hope for our future.

I swear. There are just too many people in this country that are SO ****ING DUMB.

:doh:

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Who cares. When is Obama going to produce his college transcripts? I've been asking this for three years. This is the only presidential candidate in my lifetime that has not done so.

WHO THE **** CARES!?

Its none of your goddamn business what my grades are. Its none of your business what his grades were. IT DOES NOT MATTER!

[Yusuf06]

http://www.frumforum.com/the-birther-disgrace/comment-page-1#comment-282491
:applause::applause:

Corsi's still at it: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292213
Well, no matter what Obama does I think we all know...

http://www.joewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/haters-gonna-hate.gif

[ConnSKINS26]

Who cares. When is Obama going to produce his college transcripts? I've been asking this for three years. This is the only presidential candidate in my lifetime that has not done so.

He was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Are you serious?

[DCranon21]

Sean Hannity and Juan Williams are discussing this issue right now.

I don't have to tell you what Hannity is saying. :ols:


Why did Juan Williams decide to go on Fox for. I watched what Hannity had to say..:ols:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtFgweEQOgE

[DCranon21]

He was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Are you serious?


Don't ask, trust me. Some people are gonna hate no matter what.

[hkHog]

There is no hope for our future.

I swear. There are just too many people in this country that are SO ****ING DUMB.

:doh:

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WHO THE **** CARES!?

Its none of your goddamn business what my grades are. Its none of your business what his grades were. IT DOES NOT MATTER!

It does matter and was a big deal in previous presidential races. I don't even care about his grades, I want to know what he studied. Every other presidential candidate does it.

EDIT: Heck when I was applying for a new job last year I had to provide my college transcripts and I graduated and have been working for almost a decade