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Buford
May-6th-2011, 07:01 AM
I've only seen clips from last night. So, figured its easier just posting online articles from the 3 main cable news sources.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/06/gop-debate-overshadowed-by-bin-laden-killing-lack-of-top-candidates/



Greenville, South Carolina (CNN) – The handful of Republican presidential candidates who showed up in South Carolina on Thursday for the first presidential debate of the 2012 election praised President Obama for hunting down Osama bin Laden, but they quickly took sharp aim at the rest of foreign policy record.
“I do congratulate President Obama for the fine job that he did in making the tough call and being decisive as it related to finding and killing Osama bin Laden,” said former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, considered by many GOP insiders the only top tier candidate among the five who appeared in the debate, which was sponsored by Fox News and the South Carolina Republican Party.
“I tip my cap to him in that moment,” Pawlenty said of Obama’s decision to send a team of Navy SEALs into Pakistan to target bin Laden. “But that moment is not the sum total of America's foreign policy. He's made a number of other decisions relating to our security here and around the world that I don't agree with.”
With leading Republican figures like former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich passing on the debate, Pawlenty shared the stage with a quartet of candidates who face long odds at capturing the GOP nomination.More from the link.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/05/gop-contenders-look-seize-moment-presidential-debate/





Republican presidential hopefuls on Thursday night (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/05/gop-contenders-look-seize-moment-presidential-debate/#) didn't allow President Obama's widely-praised operation that killed Usama bin Laden this week to deter them from attacking his foreign policy or blaming his domestic policies for high gas prices and the fragile economy recovery.
During the first debate of the 2012 election season, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/tim-pawlenty.htm#r_src=ramp) congratulated Obama for capturing the world's most wanted terrorist nearly 10 years after the Sept. 11 attacks.
"I tip my cap to him in that moment," he said. "But that moment is not the sum total of America's foreign policy. He's made a number of other decisions relating to our security here and around the world that I don't agree with."
Pawlenty cited Libya as one example, saying he didn't agree with Obama's decision to defer to the United Nations on how to deal with Muammar Qaddafi's violent crackdown on rebels.
Former Pennsylvania (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/05/gop-contenders-look-seize-moment-presidential-debate/#) Sen. Rick Santorum (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/rick-santorum.htm#r_src=ramp) said the only thing Obama has done right in his foreign policy is continue President George W. Bush's policies.
http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Politics/156/88/Five%20GOP%20Candidates%20Before%20Debate.jpg


"The decision he made with Usama bin Laden was a tactical decision," he said. "It wasn't a strategic decision. The strategic decision was made by President Bush to go after him. What President Obama has done on his watch, the issues that have come up while he's been president, he's gotten it wrong strategically every single time."More from the link


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42925272/ns/politics-decision_2012/



GREENVILLE, S.C. (http://ezurl.co/1424471)— A handful of lesser-
known Republican presidential candidates
touted their conservative credentials and vied
for a brief shot at the political spotlight
Thursday at a sparsely attended first debate of
the 2012 White House campaign.

With the party's most high-profile contenders
skipping the proceedings, the five participants
used the nationally televised forum to slam
President Barack Obama's leadership and
attack what they called his misguided policies
on the economy, healthcare and foreign
affairs.

"The issues that have come up while he's been
president, he's gotten them wrong strategically
every single time," former Minnesota Gov. Tim
Pawlenty, the lone top-tier candidate at the
debate, said of Obama's foreign policy.

Along with Pawlenty, the debate featured four
long-shot contenders -- U.S. Rep. Ron Paul,
former Sen. Rick Santorum, former New
Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson and former pizza
executive Herman Cain.
More after the link

mardi gras skin
May-6th-2011, 07:18 AM
ugh. C'mon Mitch, get in there.

Lombardi's_kid_brother
May-6th-2011, 07:22 AM
First question to Cain: Who the hell are you?
FIrst question to Santorum: Does anyone in America like you?

SnyderShrugged
May-6th-2011, 07:45 AM
2 shining beacons of liberty and fiscal common sense. The rest a pack of warfare/corporate welfare state hacks.

The Luntz thing afterwards was such a joke. My favorite was the South Carolinian with a heavy bronx accent. Yep, definitely a representative sample!

AsburySkinsFan
May-6th-2011, 08:15 AM
Question #3: Now, will you condemn the birthers?
Answer: There are more important things to talk about right now in this time of crisis. (translation, "Heck no I need the votes even if it is from people who are dumber than a bag of hammers.")

Rdskns2000
May-6th-2011, 11:12 PM
Already, SC Republicans are mad that the other candidates didn't show up and vow they will remember come primary day next year.

I do find it odd that the real heavy hitters haven't announced. Now is the time to do it. This time in 2007- both sides had plenty of candidates running and they were plenty of early debates.

AsburySkinsFan
May-6th-2011, 11:24 PM
Already, SC Republicans are mad that the other candidates didn't show up and vow they will remember come primary day next year.
What are they gonna do? Vote Democrat? :rotflmao:

Teller
May-6th-2011, 11:25 PM
Already, SC Republicans are mad that the other candidates didn't show up and vow they will remember come primary day next year.

I do find it odd that the real heavy hitters haven't announced. Now is the time to do it. This time in 2007- both sides had plenty of candidates running and they were plenty of early debates.

Now is the WORST possible time to do it. Last weekend would have been even worse. :ols:

Toe Jam
May-6th-2011, 11:26 PM
A black Republican?

What is this nonsense?

:ols:

(I'm kidding btw)

AsburySkinsFan
May-6th-2011, 11:28 PM
Now is the WORST possible time to do it. Last weekend would have been even worse. :ols:
Yep, Obama is running around with OBL's head on a pike, the GOP budget proposal has been beaten back by their own voters because everyone is against Medicaid and Medicare cuts, and they want to stand up and challenge him? On what? Foreign policy? Domestic Policy? Debt? The GOP are gasping for any sign of a victory and this is what they get.....:ols:
http://i.imgur.com/5Rrqu.jpg

Prosperity
May-7th-2011, 10:16 AM
just give them all coloring books and go with the one that doesn't color the sun to be blue

Predicto
May-7th-2011, 11:28 AM
Three of them belonged there. Pawlenty is a serious candidate, and even though I have my problems with Ron Paul, the libertarian voice deserves to be heard (although that faction would be better served by letting Gary Johnson take the reins).

The other two?

Herman Cain is a token. He has risen out of nowhere to polical prominence the same way that Alan Keyes did. Conservatives are so desperate to show that they are not racist that any black conservative with a pulse is thrown forward as a possible candidate. You can just see clueless FreeRepublic types saying to each other: "You know all those blacks just voted for Obama because he's black. If we get our own black candidate (you know, one of the "good ones"), we can't lose!" If Cain messes up, look for them to start focusing on Allen West instead.

Cain reminds me of Lloyd Marcus, that one black guy who sings at all the Tea Party events. Lloyd Marcus has no talent. No one has ever heard of him. His songs are horrible. There are conservative singers who acually have talent, but Lloyd Marcus headlines at all Tea Party events because of his skin color alone.

And no, I'm not saying that all Tea Partiers are racist or anything like that blah blah blah. I'm not saying that. I'm also not saying that Herman Cain or Lloyd Marcus are a sellout or race traitors or anything like that. I'm sure they are genuine and sincere conservatives.

What I'm saying that Tea Party and GOP ORGANIZERS have a very cynical view of how to use their few black members. If a black guy shows up at a Tea Party event, he is likely to get called up to the stage to speak. Heck, it's kind of like how an exclusive private school that is 99 percent white will still manage to have seven pictures of their one black student scatted thoughout their brochure. :ols: And that is why Herman Cain is suddenly a presidential candidate, just like Alan Keyes was last time.

And as for Rick Santorum? One of the funniest things that I can imagine is the self-delusion that allows Rick Santorum to think that he is a viable Presidential Candidate.

SkinsHokieFan
May-7th-2011, 11:36 AM
This really reminds me of where the Democrats were at this time in 2003. A very beatable incumbent (although Bush didn't show real weakness till early 2004, he was still riding high from the midterms of 2002) but nobody with the ability to beat him.

Hillary wasn't running. You had fringe candidates like that congresswoman from Georgia whose name escapes me getting air time. And Howard Dean stickers and signs were everywhere in liberal enclaves in northwest DC

Prosperity
May-7th-2011, 07:09 PM
This really reminds me of where the Democrats were at this time in 2003. A very beatable incumbent (although Bush didn't show real weakness till early 2004, he was still riding high from the midterms of 2002) but nobody with the ability to beat him.

Hillary wasn't running. You had fringe candidates like that congresswoman from Georgia whose name escapes me getting air time. And Howard Dean stickers and signs were everywhere in liberal enclaves in northwest DC

2004 Kerry = 2012 Pawlenty?

ACW
May-7th-2011, 07:16 PM
2 shining beacons of liberty and fiscal common sense. The rest a pack of warfare/corporate welfare state hacks.:yes: Johnson's my pick, Paul 2nd.

Rdskns2000
May-7th-2011, 09:37 PM
:yes: Johnson's my pick, Paul 2nd.

None of them will win in a Republican only primary or caucus.

Chicken Fried
May-7th-2011, 10:00 PM
Question #3: Now, will you condemn the birthers?
Answer: There are more important things to talk about right now in this time of crisis. (translation, "Heck no I need the votes even if it is from people who are dumber than a bag of hammers.")

Kind of like how Obama wouldn't talk about his birth because there were more important things at the time?

Hubbs
May-7th-2011, 10:04 PM
:yes: Johnson's my pick, Paul 2nd.

Really? That surprises me. Why?


None of them will win in a Republican only primary or caucus.

Probably not. But there are things you can achieve with a presidential campaign other than actually becoming president.

AsburySkinsFan
May-7th-2011, 10:36 PM
Kind of like how Obama wouldn't talk about his birth because there were more important things at the time?
Nope because it wasn't up to Obama to shut up the other team's crazies, the GOP tolerates their ignorance for votes in the primaries, they know enough to not alienate voters no matter how stupid they may be. Obama not showing the long form for so long was like a diagnostic test that was run on the American populace to sort out the crazies from the normal voters.

BTW, anyone seen Trump lately? :ols:

Toe Jam
May-7th-2011, 11:02 PM
BTW, anyone seen Trump lately? :ols:

I have.

I saw him in Home Alone 2 yesterday. :ols:

SnyderShrugged
May-8th-2011, 08:08 AM
None of them will win in a Republican only primary or caucus.

Paul has won quite a few caucus votes and won cpac 2 years in a row so this is false. That said I don't believe he can win enough to secure the nomination but certainly to make enough noise that the already rapid growth of the liberty movement to be sustained. You can't deny the impact of his 2008 run. You wouldnt have had a tea party without him

Bang
May-8th-2011, 08:18 AM
Pawlenty seems about as electable as Michael Dukakis was.. which is a shame because I do like some of his ideas and he seems to be sensible in that his ears aren't closed and his eyes aren't afflicted with tunnel vision.
Frankly, that is going to be one of the fist things i am looing for in a GOP candidate. The willingness to do more than toe the line, and the ability to listen and compromise to get the best ideas for the country rather than the best ideas for the party.

~Bang