yahoo: Ohio health care question cleared for fall ballot

[Thiebear]

Ohio health care question cleared for fall ballot




http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ohio-health-care-question-apf-2905833599.html?x=0&.v=2
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Ohio voters will get the chance to decide whether the state will opt out of the national health care overhaul.
The state's top election official said Tuesday that opponents of the federal Affordable Care Act have enough signatures to put a constitutional amendment on the Nov. 8 ballot that would prohibit Ohio from participating in the program.
Secretary of State John Husted determined that supporters of the amendment had gathered 427,000 valid signatures. They had submitted more than 546,000 and needed roughly 358,000 signatures of them validated to make it on to the ballot.



My opinion:
1. Thats a LOT of valid signatures and should be taken seriously.
2. Ohio is a "real" state that politicians take seriously.
3. If it passes, their roads are going to be crap.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ohio health care question cleared for fall ballot


My opinion:
1. Thats a LOT of valid signatures and should be taken seriously.
2. Ohio is a "real" state that politicians take seriously.
3. If it passes, their roads are going to be crap.

And it's been a blue leaning state of late. If this thing passes, that's going to send far reaching ripples.

[Larry]

Uh, last I checked, the voters of a state don't have the option of voting to exempt themselves from federal law.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Uh, last I checked, the voters of a state don't have the option of voting to exempt themselves from federal law.

Really? How is it that California is selling weed on every corner?

[Madison Redskin]

Really? How is it that California is selling weed on every corner?

Because the federal government has effectively decided not to enforce federal law regarding marijuana. Do you think states can vote to exempt themselves from federal law?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because the federal government has effectively decided not to enforce federal law regarding marijuana. Do you think states can vote to exempt themselves from federal law?

I think that if it is unpopular enough, it will not be enforced. Just like the issue of selling weed or the deportation of illegal aliens. The law is pretty clear n both of those issues yet nobody is prosecuted. Do you think that if the law is unpopular enough, it will be enforced? Do you think the Federal Government should be able to pick and chose which laws should be enforced and which should not?

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The Supreme court has never been high on states rights because it usurps their purpose. I doubt it matters if they have 10 million signatures.

If they have enough signatures, it will matter. At the end of the day, politicians side on the side that gets them re-elected. If it is that unpopular, they will side with those who are against it.

[Madison Redskin]

Do you think that if the law is unpopular enough, it will be enforced?

It depends on who is in the White House.


Do you think the Federal Government should be able to pick and chose which laws should be enforced and which should not?

Yes, assuming a lack of resources forces them to pick and choose. The same is true of police departments that refuse to investigate all complaints because they lack the resources to do so and are forced to triage.

[Larry]

I think that if it is unpopular enough, it will not be enforced.

Just how do you visualize Ohio exempting itself from Obamacare?

Does everybody in the state decide not to pay their taxes? Do you really see the federal government deciding not to enforce those laws?

What happens when some Grandma in Ohio decides that she's going to buy one of Obamacare's subsidized health insurance policies? Does the state of Ohio step in and tell her that the state is going to forbid her from using a federal law?

[ABQCOWBOY]

You may need to bone up on the branches of government. The legislative branch rarely concerns itself (and it's debatable whether it should) with the judicial branch.


I don't think so. The legislative branch passes laws that are found to be unconstitutional all the time. I have no miss conception with what each arm is responsible for. I'm pretty sure I have a good understanding of it but I appreciate the advice.

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It depends on who is in the White House.

If the person in the White House does not follow the will of the people, that person won't be in the White House long and so the problem will eventually get solved either way.




Yes, assuming a lack of resources forces them to pick and choose. The same is true of police departments that refuse to investigate all complaints because they lack the resources to do so and are forced to triage.

This is interesting. As it stands now, we certainly do not have the resources in place to support Obama Care. We also do not have the funds available to put the needed resources in place. Your position is interesting.[COLOR="Gold"]

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 08:37 AM ----------


Just how do you visualize Ohio exempting itself from Obamacare?

Does everybody in the state decide not to pay their taxes? Do you really see the federal government deciding not to enforce those laws?

What happens when some Grandma in Ohio decides that she's going to buy one of Obamacare's subsidized health insurance policies? Does the state of Ohio step in and tell her that the state is going to forbid her from using a federal law?

They pass this law and force it to the Supreme Court. If the law is found to be unconstitutional, it gets deemed as such.

I have one for you. Lets say that the Republicans win the Senate and maintain the House. If they defund this law, what happens then? We can play this game all day and night but at the end of the story, if the American people decide that they don't want this, it will not stand.

[Thiebear]

Item3: Their roads will be crap = The Federal Gov't will cut off ALL funding and Ohio will buckle within the year.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Item3: Their roads will be crap = The Federal Gov't will cut off ALL funding and Ohio will buckle within the year.

If this happens, the election for President and for Congress is in November of 2012. Ohio is a major swing state and the President absolutely needs this state if he intends to get re-elected. I don't see him doing this. He has way too much to lose and very little to gain. Ohio is not the only state that is doing this or considering this. What you say is true but the time frame between the election and how long Ohio would have to go without is minimal. I don't think it's a winning strategy.