Mcnabb trade talks with Minnesota ARE happening

[Missin Meast]

According to Grant Paulsen and Adam Schefter via twitter...the Redskins are in contact with the Minnesota about trading for QB Donovan McNabb....

I know we all thought this MIGHT happen, but many sources said no one would actually TRADE for him...just thought I would update!

UPDATED INFORMATION:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Vikings "are one of a few teams" that have talked to the Redskins about acquiring quarterback Donovan McNabb, but that Minnesota would have to be able to restructure McNabb's contract before acquiring him.

It would be a coup for Washington if they could get anything of value for McNabb, considering the public nature of his falling-out with that organization before the end of his first and only year there. But quarterbacks are scarce, and it sounds as if the Vikings are interested in bringing in McNabb to tutor and/or back up first-round pick Christian Ponder, or to start until Ponder is ready.

I wonder if McNabb will be interested enough in playing Kurt Warner to Ponder's Eli Manning that he'd re-work his deal in order to get a trade done. I'm sure he wants out of Washington, considering how badly things went for him there. But remember, when the Eagles traded McNabb in the 2010 off-season, they consulted him on where he wanted to go, and Washington was his pick. If he doesn't want to live in Minneapolis in the winter, or if he doesn't want to risk losing a starting job to a rookie by midseason, he could make it tough for the Vikings to acquire him. Especially if he knows other teams (Miami still makes a lot of sense, to me) are interested.

[Backpack3r]

Yeah i heard him say that on NFL Live. We should package Fat albert in the deal and try to get something extra, or a higher pick

[Rutliff381]

Yeah saw this on Rick Maese twitter...with the bonus due to him next month as a reason it might not get done.

[SkinsFanMania]

If McNabb wants to go someplace he will restructure his contract to make it easier for them to acquire him. The Vikings WOULD be a team he would be interested in going to.

[Buford]

maybe we can package Albert with him......buh-bye.

[AKM311]

Yeah saw this on Rick Maese twitter...with the bonus due to him next month as a reason it might not get done.

And this is the reason why everyone said it wouldn't happen.

He would have to want to go to Minny and be willing to re-negotiate as well for us to have any chance to trade him.

[grego]

i hope this happens so lavar and dukes can shut up about how we should just release him already.

[Warpath11]

I asked this in the other tread but since there is a dedicated theard I'll ask here as well...

Not sure if this is possible in football, but can a team pick up a portion of a players salary to make a trade possible (go go new CBA)? This is often done in baseball to facilitate trades for players with high salaries. For example, when the Mets traded K-Rod to the Brewers they agreed to pick up some of his salary for 2012 to make sure the deal happens.

Since the bonus is an issue could the Skins pick up a portion to make the trade work? Or is re-negotiation with the new team the only option to make this work?

[IONTOP]

Mcnabb and Haynesworth for Kluwe and a 4th

[Santana_89]

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1772373_o.gif

[Hubbs]

I asked this in the other tread but since there is a dedicated theard I'll ask here as well...

Not sure if this is possible in football, but can a team pick up a portion of a players salary to make a trade possible (go go new CBA)? This is often done in baseball to facilitate trades for players with high salaries. For example, when the Mets traded K-Rod to the Brewers they agreed to pick up some of his salary for 2012 to make sure the deal happens.

Since the bonus is an issue could the Skins pick up a portion to make the trade work? Or is re-negotiation with the new team the only option to make this work?

I was wondering the same thing.

[Missin Meast]

How about Bernard Berrian and a veteran D-Lineman for Mcnabb???

[Jahbird]

i hope this happens so lavar and dukes can shut up about how we should just release him already.

Those two don't quit. Sheesh, we get it guys, the situation sucks.

[Destructis]

I asked this in the other tread but since there is a dedicated theard I'll ask here as well...

Not sure if this is possible in football, but can a team pick up a portion of a players salary to make a trade possible (go go new CBA)? This is often done in baseball to facilitate trades for players with high salaries. For example, when the Mets traded K-Rod to the Brewers they agreed to pick up some of his salary for 2012 to make sure the deal happens.

Since the bonus is an issue could the Skins pick up a portion to make the trade work? Or is re-negotiation with the new team the only option to make this work?

Re-negoiation is the only way it would work. We can't pick up a portion like baseball.

[Jahbird]

How about Bernard Berrian and a veteran D-Lineman for Mcnabb???

Rumors are that they plan on cutting Bernard, I'd hate for him to be included in a trade when we could potentially snag him off the waiver wire.

[JustAfan47]

Get it done! Hooray

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

I know McNabb will have to restructure his deal before he gets traded anywhere. Any chance that he refuses to restructure just to get a release so that the Skins get nothing?

[mel25]

I say mcnabb for adrian peterson and a 2nd round pick

[Destructis]

I know McNabb will have to restructure his deal before he gets traded anywhere. Any chance that he refuses to restructure just to get a release so that the Skins get nothing?

Of course it's possible. He could also get a sore elbow in training camp and could be put on IR for the year. I don't think either would happen, but it's *possible*

[authentic]

If his contract is the only thing holding this up, I say Hurry up and restructure and get him out. This is nothing but good news! :)

[Goingforburgundy]

Bonus' dont count against the cap correct?

[DJD2]

what motivation does mcnabb have for restructuring his contract?

[IONTOP]

Rumors are that they plan on cutting Bernard, I'd hate for him to be included in a trade when we could potentially snag him off the waiver wire.

The Vikings are saying the same thing about McNabb probably.

[authentic]

I know McNabb will have to restructure his deal before he gets traded anywhere. Any chance that he refuses to restructure just to get a release so that the Skins get nothing?

I would think he would do anything possible to get out of town. I'm sure, he could restructure, with an agreement with Minny to re-sign at some point. We'll see though....

[Warpath11]

what motivation does mcnabb have for restructuring his contract?

Exactly he has all the leverage. If he holds out on restructuring the Skins will release him thus allowing him to go wherever he wants.

[Missin Meast]

JahBird - I heard he was being cut too, but who cares?? This way we don't have to compete with other teams, and McNabb would have been cut anyways...ya know?

[Wrong Direction]

Exactly he has all the leverage. If he holds out on restructuring the Skins will release him thus allowing him to go wherever he wants.

Not really. Any team that wants McNabb wants him for this year. We could easily keep him until right before opening weekend, thus delaying his integration into a new team.

If a team wants him, they want him ready in week one. The only way to get him for week 1, and likely 2 or 3, is to trade for him in the next few days.

[MWCREDSKINS]

Good, he needs to go if we aren't keeping him. To bring him into camp would be wrong and unfair to him. Get a 4 from Minnesota and wish Donovan the best save for December 24th. I have nothing against him.

[ConnSKINS26]

Can't you only restructure a contract once in a single year? Well, look at the date McNabb was signed to a new contract with us.

[The Tris]

I asked this in the other tread but since there is a dedicated theard I'll ask here as well...

Not sure if this is possible in football, but can a team pick up a portion of a players salary to make a trade possible (go go new CBA)? This is often done in baseball to facilitate trades for players with high salaries. For example, when the Mets traded K-Rod to the Brewers they agreed to pick up some of his salary for 2012 to make sure the deal happens.

Since the bonus is an issue could the Skins pick up a portion to make the trade work? Or is re-negotiation with the new team the only option to make this work?

If this is possible we should definately do it.

It'd be like buying a draft pick.

[SWFLSkins]

It would be good for McNabb and for the Redskins to part ways this way. Hope it gets done. I don't wish the guy any ill will, just don't see how he would produce here.

[SMU Redskin]

McNabb will restructure, otherwise Skins can hold him hostage until opening weekend and sabotage his ability to learn a new system somewhere else. He doesn't have as much leverage as you may think

[Goingforburgundy]

McNabb will restructure, otherwise Skins can hold him hostage until opening weekend and sabotage his ability to learn a new system somewhere else. He doesn't have as much leverage as you may think

And sabotage our ability to get anything back from him.

[bird_1972]

McNabb will restructure, otherwise Skins can hold him hostage until opening weekend and sabotage his ability to learn a new system somewhere else. He doesn't have as much leverage as you may think

I think you're right.

I just hope the Vikings aren't the only ones entering the McNabb sweepstakes. We need to create a market for him so we can recoup something of value - draft pick-wise.

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 04:57 PM ----------


And sabotage our ability to get anything back from him.

If he does that - he sits. I don't think he's as idiotic as Haynesworth, in that regard. My gut tells me he still wants to play.

[Stew]

McNabb will restructure, otherwise Skins can hold him hostage until opening weekend and sabotage his ability to learn a new system somewhere else. He doesn't have as much leverage as you may think

This. and on top of that McNabb is super professional. Dude isnt going to create a stink. He wants out of Washington, and he isn't going to delay that train out of town. Im sure he is already on board with his ticket punched.


I will say, I am glad he never threw up on the sideline here, like he did in Philly.

[Wrong Direction]

I think you're right.

I just hope the Vikings aren't the only ones entering the McNabb sweepstakes. We need to create a market for him so we can recoup something of value - draft pick-wise.

Getting anything back for McNabb is a victory at this point. I wouldn't expect anything more than a 5th, if that.

[ACW]

This. and on top of that McNabb is super professional. Dude isnt going to create a stink. He wants out of Washington, and he isn't going to delay that train out of town. Im sure he is already on board with his ticket punched.:yes: McNabb's too classy to do that.

[ConnSKINS26]

Nobody addressed this...I've read before that a player's contract can't be restructured more than once a year. Well, he signed his new contract with us less than a year ago. So is a restructure to assist a trade impossible right now?

[SMU Redskin]

Nobody addressed this...I've read before that a player's contract can't be restructured more than once a year. Well, he signed his new contract with us less than a year ago. So is a restructure to assist a trade impossible right now?
Not sure about that rule- perhaps he could agree in principle with Minnesota to a restructured deal and then the trade could be completely?

[sportjunkie07]

why do people want to cut him outright?.. he does have value, you drop him and he will be starting for a team within a couple weeks. who of the free agents are better than him, kyle orton, matt hassleback, carson palmer, gimme a break. id hold him until someone gives up something for him.

[Backpack3r]

Nobody addressed this...I've read before that a player's contract can't be restructured more than once a year. Well, he signed his new contract with us less than a year ago. So is a restructure to assist a trade impossible right now?

I think that means once per season, or once per calender year.

[DCSaints_fan]

Nobody addressed this...I've read before that a player's contract can't be restructured more than once a year. Well, he signed his new contract with us less than a year ago. So is a restructure to assist a trade impossible right now?

"more than once a year" should not mean you have to wait a year between restructuring .... I would like to see the exact wording .... If they define year to mean calendar year, you could restructure on Dec. 31st and then restructure again on Jan 1st, but I doubt thats the case ... I think the "NFL year" begins on Mar 1st and ends on Feb 28th/29th.

[skinfan2k]

espn980 is saying that redskins and minny have agreed to a deal but not the #s is this true?

[Bliz]

espn980 is saying that redskins and minny have agreed to a deal but not the #s is this true?



5:20

Twitter
JasonLaCanfora:
More from NFL Network: Vikes and Skins have parameters of a deal for McNabb but agreeing on financial terms with him could be tricky... [via Twitter]

[RabidFan]

I hope this is true but it could also be Shanny's boy Shefty trying to drum up interest from other teams...doing Mike a solid. Polin had that idea and he was the first to report and all others like Paulson, Maesse, JLC all followed Shefty so who knows. They are going to cut Berrian and DL Kennedy....do they still have both Williams DL? anything for depth over a random 5th round pick would be nice.

[Koolblue13]

I will always like D Mac and wish him well, because he is just a good guy and a classy person.

That is rare and goes a long way in todays NFL.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Brilliant news if we can get something for him. But why in the heck anyone would give up anything for a guy that would eventually be cut anyways, and one who's all but done as a starter in this league is anyone's guess.

Frazier's a bigger chump than Childress.



---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 04:36 PM ----------


I will always like D Mac and wish him well, because he is just a good guy and a classy person.

That is rare and goes a long way in todays NFL.

Up until the back end of last year I'd of agreed with you.

Then we had the very public spat between player/ player's agent/ OC and HC, which was FAR from classy on ANY concerned.

Hail.

[SkinsFanMania]

Bonus' dont count against the cap correct?

Of course they count against the cap. The difference is a bonus is spread over the life of the contract instead of the full amount in one year.

i.e. 20 million dollar signing bonus over the course of 4 years counts 5 million per season against the cap.

[Boss_Hogg]

i hope this happens so lavar and dukes can shut up about how we should just release him already.

nah, dukes will continue to beat the dead horse about Devin Thomas

[grego]

5:20

Twitter
JasonLaCanfora:
More from NFL Network: Vikes and Skins have parameters of a deal for McNabb but agreeing on financial terms with him could be tricky... [via Twitter]

we play the vikes here christmas eve.

interesting.

[Backpack3r]

Realistically, what could we expect for Mcnabb?

[grego]

Good, he needs to go if we aren't keeping him. To bring him into camp would be wrong and unfair to him. Get a 4 from Minnesota and wish Donovan the best save for December 24th. I have nothing against him.

somebody else checked the schedule too. :)

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

we play the vikes here christmas eve.

interesting.

His legs will of gone by half-way. The only thing he'll be doing Christmas eve if he goes there is clip-board holding.

Hail.

[grego]

nah, dukes will continue to beat the dead horse about Devin Thomas

what a joke that was. it was to the point where there was some kind of conspiracy, rather than it being that thomas wasnt very good. that was about the time i stopped listening.

[MLSKINS]

Bottom line on CSN just said that NFL Network reports they have the "parameters of a deal".

Take that for what it is worth.

[Chump Bailey]

How about Bernard Berrian and a veteran D-Lineman for Mcnabb???

No way I see that happening. Bernard sucks anyway and would not benefit us in the least.

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 05:49 PM ----------


Realistically, what could we expect for Mcnabb?

From what I've been hearing, we'll be lucky to get anything other than a 6th or 7th rounder.

[OuterBanksTarHeel]

If we get anything at this point for a guy we benched for Rex Grossman and said publicly couldn't run a two-minute offense, it's a coup.

[Spade]

Brilliant news if we can get something for him. But why in the heck anyone would give up anything for a guy that would eventually be cut anyways, and one who's all but done as a starter in this league is anyone's guess.

Frazier's a bigger chump than Childress.



---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 04:36 PM ----------



Up until the back end of last year I'd of agreed with you.

Then we had the very public spat between player/ player's agent/ OC and HC, which was FAR from classy on ANY concerned.

Hail.

Whoa done as a starter? The guy was on his way to franchise records in passing in his first year here and he didn't know what he was doing lol

[Redskin Diehard]

Why wouldn't D-Mac be willing to renegotiate at this stage of the game? That's really not all that far fetched considering he could be risking being left out in the cold if he waits to be cut so he can ultimately choose his next destination. By then... most of the league may have resolved their respective QB situations, leaving Donovan with slim pickens to choose from. I think a 4th or 5th rounder is realistic for Donovan at this point if he's willing to restructure. Shanny and Kyle will still be responsible for botching one of the NFL's most compelling trades last season but who really cares about their legacy anyway?

Sidenote: At this point, Shanny has already made a fool out of himself playing the conditioning test game with Haynes-worthless at training camp last year. Why cut him now after letting him ruin an entire season single handedly? If I'm Bruce Allen, taking anything less than a 3rd round pick for a guy capable of making multiple Pro Bowls in the future would be borderline incompetent. I would only trade Albert Buttersworth for a 3rd round pick or a starter in all fairness. The other alternative would be to allow him the opportunity to play here one more year for the 5 million he's due, if he miraculously grows up in the next month but if he insists on being the unprofessional slob he's proven to be since coming to DC, he would be inactive every game this season unless a rash of injuries to the D-line forced my hand. I would show him that if you sign on the dotted line and cash the check... management controls the situation... not him.

~one man's opinion

[JaxJoe]

Sounds like it's a done deal as of 6:04 PM

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Redskins-have-deal-in-place-to-ship-McNabb-to-Vikings-5433.html&team=101

[Chump Bailey]

Sounds like it's a done deal as of 6:04 PM

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Redskins-have-deal-in-place-to-ship-McNabb-to-Vikings-5433.html&team=101

I'll take it. Anything is better than nothing and we're not screwing DM either.

[Big Will]

From what I've been hearing, we'll be lucky to get anything other than a 6th or 7th rounder.

And that would be better than nothing. On top of addressing one of our 400 pound gorillas in the room.

McNabb makes sense for the Vikings because he can mentor Ponder and he has a limited future. Rather than say, Kyle Orton, who I believe has a long and bright future if he lands in a good situation. I doubt Ponder would ever see the field if Orton was there.

[MattFancy]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-vikings-redskins-agree-to-trade-only-if-mcnabb-agrees-to-contract/



The talk of the Redskins trading Donovan McNabb to the Vikings is heating up. Now the only question is whether McNabb will buy into it.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Vikings and Redskins have agreed to the terms of a trade that would send the veteran quarterback to Minnesota.

But the trade will only go through if McNabb agrees to a new contract. There’s no way the Vikings are paying him the $12.5 million he’s due this season.

[Redskin Diehard]

If we get anything at this point for a guy we benched for Rex Grossman and said publicly couldn't run a two-minute offense, it's a coup.

What in the hell has Rex Grossman accomplished in the NFL recently or ever for that matter? People need to stop believing all this hype that Donovan is done and accept the fact the Shanahans mismanaged the Redskin's QB situation last season. Plain and simple... Does any football fan worth their weight in doodoo really believe that if Philly had traded Vick to Carolina last year, which they almost did (Philly wanted a 2nd round pick for Vick and Carolina was only willing to give up a 3rd rounder, allegedly) and kept McNabb instead and made him their starter that he would have failed the same way he did here, playing in a familiar system in philly, throwing and handing off to talent far superior to what the Skins had on offense last season? Anyone who says McNabb would have failed even if he had been the starter in philly last year instead of here is either telling a lie or they don't know anything about football. People kill me acting like Donovan was in Kyle's precious system for years and still failed. Someone of Donovan's stature and physical gifts deserves to play in an offensive system that caters to his strengths. Kyle Shanahan should have been made to somewhat conform his system to what Donovan does best. Its called coaching! Kyle and Mike Shanahan's lack of patience was front and center at the end of last season. Please lets stop placing all of the blame for last year's failures at McNabb's feet. There's more than enough blame to go around. By the way... who were our running backs and wide receivers last year? oh yeah that's right... Somebody please take a deep look at what Donovan was working with last season. Well, if you don't have time to do that i will tell you... Little to Nothing!

I know we're stuck with Shanahan for at least a few more years because of his contract but can we please stop treating this man like he's Vince Lombardi? He was the best coach available when Zorn was shown the door but by no means is the guy a living legend or a lock to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Shanahan is definitely the most competent head coach we've had here in a while...I will grant anyone that but all this... "In Shanahan We Trust" foolishness has got to stop. Enough already!

[DGREENHULK]

Bruce will turn that 6th or 7th into 2 1st Rounders :)

[JustAfan47]

What in the hell has Rex Grossman accomplished in the NFL recently or ever for that matter? People need to stop believing all this hype that Donovan is done and accept the fact the Shanahans mismanaged the Redskin's QB situation last season. Plain and simple... Does any football fan worth their weight in doodoo really believe that if Philly had traded Vick to Carolina last year, which they almost did (Philly wanted a 2nd round pick for Vick and Carolina was only willing to give up a 3rd rounder, allegedly) and kept McNabb instead and made him their starter that he would have failed the same way he did here, playing in a familiar system in philly, throwing and handing off to talent far superior to what the Skins had on offense last season? Anyone who says McNabb would have failed even if he had been the starter in philly last year instead of here is either telling a lie or they don't know anything about football. People kill me acting like Donovan was in Kyle's precious system for years and still failed. Someone of Donovan's stature and physical gifts deserves to play in an offensive system that caters to his strengths. Kyle Shanahan should have been made to somewhat conform his system to what Donovan does best. Its called coaching! Kyle and Mike Shanahan's lack of patience was front and center at the end of last season. Please lets stop placing all of the blame for last year's failures at McNabb's feet. There's more than enough blame to go around. By the way... who were our running backs and wide receivers last year? oh yeah that's right... Somebody please take a deep look at what Donovan was working with last season. Well, if you don't have time to do that i will tell you... Little to Nothing!

I know we're stuck with Shanahan for at least a few more years because of his contract but can we please stop treating this man like he's Vince Lombardi? He was the best coach available when Zorn was shown the door but by no means is the guy a living legend or a lock to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Shanahan is definitely the most competent head coach we've had here in a while...I will grant anyone that but all this... "In Shanahan We Trust" foolishness has got to stop. Enough already!

I back everything you say 100%...... I love this team but it's been really hard to love this team the past couple of years. With that said Mc5 I feel just didn't want to be here. He is our best option in my opinion and still is if on our roster.

[turtle]

Any idea what were asking for?

[TheShredSkinz]

haha @ "Hopefully, Rex Grossman is part of the deal so the Vikings will have someone to run the two minute drill."

[Mickalino]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Redskins-have-deal-in-place-to-ship-McNabb-to-Vikings-5433.html&team=101



Hopefully, Rex Grossman is part of the deal so the Vikings will have someone to run the two minute drill.

:ols:

[blindlywewander]

What in the hell has Rex Grossman accomplished in the NFL recently or ever for that matter? People need to stop believing all this hype that Donovan is done and accept the fact the Shanahans mismanaged the Redskin's QB situation last season. Plain and simple... Does any football fan worth their weight in doodoo really believe that if Philly had traded Vick to Carolina last year, which they almost did (Philly wanted a 2nd round pick for Vick and Carolina was only willing to give up a 3rd rounder, allegedly) and kept McNabb instead and made him their starter that he would have failed the same way he did here, playing in a familiar system in philly, throwing and handing off to talent far superior to what the Skins had on offense last season? Anyone who says McNabb would have failed even if he had been the starter in philly last year instead of here is either telling a lie or they don't know anything about football. People kill me acting like Donovan was in Kyle's precious system for years and still failed. Someone of Donovan's stature and physical gifts deserves to play in an offensive system that caters to his strengths. Kyle Shanahan should have been made to somewhat conform his system to what Donovan does best. Its called coaching! Kyle and Mike Shanahan's lack of patience was front and center at the end of last season. Please lets stop placing all of the blame for last year's failures at McNabb's feet. There's more than enough blame to go around. By the way... who were our running backs and wide receivers last year? oh yeah that's right... Somebody please take a deep look at what Donovan was working with last season. Well, if you don't have time to do that i will tell you... Little to Nothing!

I know we're stuck with Shanahan for at least a few more years because of his contract but can we please stop treating this man like he's Vince Lombardi? He was the best coach available when Zorn was shown the door but by no means is the guy a living legend or a lock to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Shanahan is definitely the most competent head coach we've had here in a while...I will grant anyone that but all this... "In Shanahan We Trust" foolishness has got to stop. Enough already!

I agree that it's not all Donovan's fault, but he sucked last year man. His accuracy has never been good, but it was worse last year than I'd ever seen it. McNabb, to me, is a system quarterback. ESPN has always slobbed his knob, but I think it's more Andy Reid than anything else. Look at the success Vick had last year. Kolb threw for over 300 in his first few starts there. They've won games with A.J. Feeley and Mike McMahon. I've hated Donovan since I can remember, so I may be biased. But the love he gets is not deserved in my opinion.

[grego]

Whoa done as a starter? The guy was on his way to franchise records in passing in his first year here and he didn't know what he was doing lol

ya. he was so good last year, he was not only benched, but people seem shocked that we may get a 6th or 7th from a team desperate enough for a temporary QB.

[Ashburn Dave]

Not really. Any team that wants McNabb wants him for this year. We could easily keep him until right before opening weekend, thus delaying his integration into a new team.

If a team wants him, they want him ready in week one. The only way to get him for week 1, and likely 2 or 3, is to trade for him in the next few days.

Exactly. If Minnesota and McNabb want this to happen then McNabb needs to restructure this week so they can get it done and get him in camp so he can have a productive season.

[vicrodjr]

Take whatever we can get for Mac5.

[Mickalino]

I would take a Big Mac for D-Mac

[pjfootballer]

What in the hell has Rex Grossman accomplished in the NFL recently or ever for that matter? People need to stop believing all this hype that Donovan is done and accept the fact the Shanahans mismanaged the Redskin's QB situation last season. Plain and simple... Does any football fan worth their weight in doodoo really believe that if Philly had traded Vick to Carolina last year, which they almost did (Philly wanted a 2nd round pick for Vick and Carolina was only willing to give up a 3rd rounder, allegedly) and kept McNabb instead and made him their starter that he would have failed the same way he did here, playing in a familiar system in philly, throwing and handing off to talent far superior to what the Skins had on offense last season? Anyone who says McNabb would have failed even if he had been the starter in philly last year instead of here is either telling a lie or they don't know anything about football. People kill me acting like Donovan was in Kyle's precious system for years and still failed. Someone of Donovan's stature and physical gifts deserves to play in an offensive system that caters to his strengths. Kyle Shanahan should have been made to somewhat conform his system to what Donovan does best. Its called coaching! Kyle and Mike Shanahan's lack of patience was front and center at the end of last season. Please lets stop placing all of the blame for last year's failures at McNabb's feet. There's more than enough blame to go around. By the way... who were our running backs and wide receivers last year? oh yeah that's right... Somebody please take a deep look at what Donovan was working with last season. Well, if you don't have time to do that i will tell you... Little to Nothing!

I know we're stuck with Shanahan for at least a few more years because of his contract but can we please stop treating this man like he's Vince Lombardi? He was the best coach available when Zorn was shown the door but by no means is the guy a living legend or a lock to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Shanahan is definitely the most competent head coach we've had here in a while...I will grant anyone that but all this... "In Shanahan We Trust" foolishness has got to stop. Enough already!

Are you his agent or something? Sheesh.

Anyway, Moss had over 1000 yards, AA had 700, Cooley had 700, and Torain had 700 and only started half the season. Now I'm not saying these are all-star numbers, but damn, when you say that other players did nothing, that's just not true. 100% blame for the season falls on BOTH the players and the coaches. You win as a team, you lose as a team. I can't put the blame solely on McNabb nor Shanahan.

If he goes to Minnesota, Chris Kluewe (the Vikings punter) is about to get a vacation, new car or a new barbeque for giving up jersey #5.

[OuterBanksTarHeel]

What in the hell has Rex Grossman accomplished in the NFL recently or ever for that matter? People need to stop believing all this hype that Donovan is done and accept the fact the Shanahans mismanaged the Redskin's QB situation last season. Plain and simple... Does any football fan worth their weight in doodoo really believe that if Philly had traded Vick to Carolina last year, which they almost did (Philly wanted a 2nd round pick for Vick and Carolina was only willing to give up a 3rd rounder, allegedly) and kept McNabb instead and made him their starter that he would have failed the same way he did here, playing in a familiar system in philly, throwing and handing off to talent far superior to what the Skins had on offense last season? Anyone who says McNabb would have failed even if he had been the starter in philly last year instead of here is either telling a lie or they don't know anything about football. People kill me acting like Donovan was in Kyle's precious system for years and still failed. Someone of Donovan's stature and physical gifts deserves to play in an offensive system that caters to his strengths. Kyle Shanahan should have been made to somewhat conform his system to what Donovan does best. Its called coaching! Kyle and Mike Shanahan's lack of patience was front and center at the end of last season. Please lets stop placing all of the blame for last year's failures at McNabb's feet. There's more than enough blame to go around. By the way... who were our running backs and wide receivers last year? oh yeah that's right... Somebody please take a deep look at what Donovan was working with last season. Well, if you don't have time to do that i will tell you... Little to Nothing!

I know we're stuck with Shanahan for at least a few more years because of his contract but can we please stop treating this man like he's Vince Lombardi? He was the best coach available when Zorn was shown the door but by no means is the guy a living legend or a lock to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Shanahan is definitely the most competent head coach we've had here in a while...I will grant anyone that but all this... "In Shanahan We Trust" foolishness has got to stop. Enough already!

Um, okay. I don't see what your post has to do with my post. I basically insulted Grossman. I was talking about DM's trade value at this point--that's it. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't use my post to launch into some completely unrelated rant/vent.

When you're an older QB who is benched for Rex Grossman, your trade value is impacted because the team has told the entire league what it thinks of you. Not a very difficult concept and my statement had nothing to do with my own assessment of DM (frankly, I couldn't care less, because that ship has sailed).

[AboveLegit]

I think the ideal situation for Minnesota is Kyle Orton, but I think the price is too much. Redskins put themselves in a hole by lowering McNabb's trade value, now we'll have to settle for a low round pick.

If Haynesworth and McNabb BOTH restructure their deals and get packaged to Minnesota, I'd make the deal in a split second, because I'm really not sure what more we can get for them.

As for next season, I don't know how much success Donovan see's in Minnesota, Childress isn't there anymore, and the offense could be much different.

[GoodOnPaper]

I think the ideal situation for Minnesota is Kyle Orton, but I think the price is too much. Redskins put themselves in a hole by lowering McNabb's trade value, now we'll have to settle for a low round pick.

If Haynesworth and McNabb BOTH restructure their deals and get packaged to Minnesota, I'd make the deal in a split second, because I'm really not sure what more we can get for them.

As for next season, I don't know how much success Donovan see's in Minnesota, Childress isn't there anymore, and the offense could be much different.

Honestly, and you might all call me crazy, but I'd be happy if we traded both Haynesworth and Mcnabb for a 5th round pick just to get them out of here. Shoot, you could even persuade me into a 6th or 7th rounder for both of them.

[Frostx08]

I agree that it's not all Donovan's fault, but he sucked last year man. His accuracy has never been good, but it was worse last year than I'd ever seen it. McNabb, to me, is a system quarterback. ESPN has always slobbed his knob, but I think it's more Andy Reid than anything else. Look at the success Vick had last year. Kolb threw for over 300 in his first few starts there. They've won games with A.J. Feeley and Mike McMahon. I've hated Donovan since I can remember, so I may be biased. But the love he gets is not deserved in my opinion.

You couldn't be more wrong actually. McNabb gets less credit by some even though he's done more than most Qbs today. McNabb did way more in his 1st few years as a starter than the likes of Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, or many other Qbs who have gotten less hate

If it was not for Vick's athletic abilities...the Eagles would be struggling. That is not opinion....that is fact. It is Vick's unique abilities...the struggle to defend against him that made the Eagles great. Not Andy Reid. Vick's athleticism, much like McNabb's is what makes Reid look so good.

And quite frankly...aside from 2 games against 2 crappy defenses, Kolb hasn't done that well at all, and in one of those 2 games he threw 3 interceptions(could have thrown more). He sucked in several games last year, and AJ Feeley and McMahon may have won a few games but overall they sucked as well and never did anything good. It's one thing if you want to criticize, but please try to be fair and have perspective. I have hardly ever...EVER seen a guy get as little credit for his career as McNabb has compared to others

[AboveLegit]

Honestly, and you might all call me crazy, but I'd be happy if we traded both Haynesworth and Mcnabb for a 5th round pick just to get them out of here. Shoot, you could even persuade me into a 6th or 7th rounder for both of them.

Agreed completely, Orakpo said it best today, he wants all of this drama behind him, he admitted that it did take a toll on players and it did effect their performance. When one of your best players are saying how it's effecting their games, you know it's a huge problem. Just ship them out now so we can officially move on.

[mbws]

...




I will say, I am glad he never threw up on the sideline here, like he did in Philly.

Did he do that more than once? I only remember the Superbowl Upchuck.

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"more than once a year" should not mean you have to wait a year between restructuring .... I would like to see the exact wording .... If they define year to mean calendar year, you could restructure on Dec. 31st and then restructure again on Jan 1st, but I doubt thats the case ... I think the "NFL year" begins on Mar 1st and ends on Feb 28th/29th.

Is it possible that by optioning out of the old CBA, that the rule didn't apply this year? Not saying that it is true. I am just speculating.

[GO HAMSKINS]

You couldn't be more wrong actually. McNabb gets less credit by some even though he's done more than most Qbs today. McNabb did way more in his 1st few years as a starter than the likes of Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, or many other Qbs who have gotten less hate

If it was not for Vick's athletic abilities...the Eagles would be struggling. That is not opinion....that is fact. It is Vick's unique abilities...the struggle to defend against him that made the Eagles great. Not Andy Reid. Vick's athleticism, much like McNabb's is what makes Reid look so good.

And quite frankly...aside from 2 games against 2 crappy defenses, Kolb hasn't done that well at all, and in one of those 2 games he threw 3 interceptions(could have thrown more). He sucked in several games last year, and AJ Feeley and McMahon may have won a few games but overall they sucked as well and never did anything good. It's one thing if you want to criticize, but please try to be fair and have perspective. I have hardly ever...EVER seen a guy get as little credit for his career as McNabb has compared to others

Yup! IMO Philly just got flat out LUCKY!. Kolb was suppose to be the starter and He had the Eagles Stinking! D Jax wasn't doing squat nor was the rest of Philly.Untill Clay Mathews put out Kolb for a few games Philly looked like they were the Dumbest team in America for trading Mcnabb,and keeping Kolb.

[MLSKINS]

Take whatever we can for McNabb.

McNabb is not the QB he used to be. Philly knew that and hustled us for some picks. We found out the hard way and are trying to get anything for him. I couldn't believe what I was seeing from him last year. I swear he had to throw 3-5 balls a game that hit a receivers feet. Now granted the OL was bad and the receivers did drop some passes, but if he was as good as people say he is, he would not make those bad throws at that bad of a rate.

I wish noting but the best for him though. Because even know the coaches humiliated him, he has been nothing but classy. If this trade to the Vikings does go through, Christmas Eve 2011 will be one crazy day at FedEx.

[DC9]

Exactly he has all the leverage. If he holds out on restructuring the Skins will release him thus allowing him to go wherever he wants.

Or....or....

If he has a problem learning a playbook....he may be in a rush to get up there to learn it.

Or...or...

If he is a leader, he wants to get up there and see what's up with his team mates.

He doesn't feel like he's going to Minny as a stop gap, he wants to win. And there is enough of that offense from Philly still intacted there where he can make a run if he puts out and shows up in shape.

[Redskin Diehard]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-vikings-redskins-agree-to-trade-only-if-mcnabb-agrees-to-contract/

Why not pay McNabb $12.5 million this season? The Vikings paid Brett Favre $16 million last year for 11 TD's and 19 INT's (Quiet as its kept). The Vikings thought they could buy a championship last year. Is being frugal all of a sudden going to bring about a better result? Sometimes you have to take chances to be successful. Like Forrest Gump said..."Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."

[Paleriders]

I know someone who had dinner with Coach Shanahan as recently as three weeks ago. The connection goes back to his time in Denver and is a legitimate connection. In short, he relayed that Coach was shocked at McNabb's lack of urgency or work ethic. He basically said that McNabb was happy to live out his legacy rather than build on it. Shanahan also relayed that he was ectastic when we pulled off the trade to get him last year, and was equally dismayed when he realized how little McNabb cared about working hard and trying to win a championship. Coach Shanahan basically said that in his entire career it was a player situation that he guessed wrong on, and that it is up there for him as a major shocker in his coaching career.

As you guys can see, I don't often post, but this is legitimate. Once I heard the longer version indirectly from our Coach I was done with McNabb.

[W1N_SKINS]

I know someone who had dinner with Coach Shanahan as recently as three weeks ago. The connection goes back to his time in Denver and is a legitimate connection. In short, he relayed that Coach was shocked at McNabb's lack of urgency or work ethic. He basically said that McNabb was happy to live out his legacy rather than build on it. Shanahan also relayed that he was ectastic when we pulled off the trade to get him last year, and was equally dismayed when he realized how little McNabb cared about working hard and trying to win a championship. Coach Shanahan basically said that in his entire career it was a player situation that he guessed wrong on, and that it is up there for him as a major shocker in his coaching career.

As you guys can see, I don't often post, but this is legitimate. Once I heard the longer version indirectly from our Coach I was done with McNabb.

Boom I agree 100% if a player does not have the drive and willingness to succeed they are a lost cause, ambition is the key to success IMHO

[Oldskool]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-of-vikings-trade-for-mcnabb-is-premature/\

Report of Vikings trade for McNabb is premature

Posted by Mike Florio on July 26, 2011, 8:36 PM EDT
Earlier today, Adam Schefter of ESPN reported that the Vikings are “one of a few teams” talking to the Redskins about a trade for quarterback Donovan McNabb. Not long thereafter, Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network reported that the Vikings and the Redskins have worked out the terms of a trade, subject to McNabb restructuring his contract.

A source with knowledge of the discussions tells us that, while a trade may indeed happen, the report of a deal being in place between the Vikings and Redskins is premature. Per the source, no agreement has been reached on the compensation the Redskins would receive.

We’re not sure that McNabb would be the right fit in Minnesota. How will he react if the Vikings start 2-5 and the team decides to switch to Christian Ponder?

Also, will McNabb be willing to reduce his pay for 2011 and also to be traded for something that likely would amount to a bargain-basement deal? If he refused to wear a wristband containing the team’s plays last season because of its potential impact on his image, there’s no way he’d be comfortable getting treated like Cleo Lemon

[Dallsux]

I knew this was going to happen last year when Favre started stinking it up in Minnesota. It's where McNabb wanted to go from Philthy, but Favre wasn't done yet & he (McNabb) certainly wasn't going to sit behind anyone as a back-up. This really isn't a surprise. Please Minnesota...take him...& take worthless fat Albert with him. Thanks. :D

[authentic]

I know someone who had dinner with Coach Shanahan as recently as three weeks ago. The connection goes back to his time in Denver and is a legitimate connection. In short, he relayed that Coach was shocked at McNabb's lack of urgency or work ethic. He basically said that McNabb was happy to live out his legacy rather than build on it. Shanahan also relayed that he was ectastic when we pulled off the trade to get him last year, and was equally dismayed when he realized how little McNabb cared about working hard and trying to win a championship. Coach Shanahan basically said that in his entire career it was a player situation that he guessed wrong on, and that it is up there for him as a major shocker in his coaching career.

As you guys can see, I don't often post, but this is legitimate. Once I heard the longer version indirectly from our Coach I was done with McNabb.

And there will still be some who will blindly side with McNabb, just to go against "The Man". I never thought that Shanny had it out for McNabb for some off-the-wall reason. This is even further confirmation that i was right. Thanks for posting bro!

[IONTOP]

From PFT http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-of-vikings-trade-for-mcnabb-is-premature/


A source with knowledge of the discussions tells us that, while a trade may indeed happen, the report of a deal being in place between the Vikings and Redskins is premature. Per the source, no agreement has been reached on the compensation the Redskins would receive.

[blindlywewander]

You couldn't be more wrong actually. McNabb gets less credit by some even though he's done more than most Qbs today. McNabb did way more in his 1st few years as a starter than the likes of Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, or many other Qbs who have gotten less hate

If it was not for Vick's athletic abilities...the Eagles would be struggling. That is not opinion....that is fact. It is Vick's unique abilities...the struggle to defend against him that made the Eagles great. Not Andy Reid. Vick's athleticism, much like McNabb's is what makes Reid look so good.

And quite frankly...aside from 2 games against 2 crappy defenses, Kolb hasn't done that well at all, and in one of those 2 games he threw 3 interceptions(could have thrown more). He sucked in several games last year, and AJ Feeley and McMahon may have won a few games but overall they sucked as well and never did anything good. It's one thing if you want to criticize, but please try to be fair and have perspective. I have hardly ever...EVER seen a guy get as little credit for his career as McNabb has compared to others

Haha, are you an Eagle fan? WTF..

So you're taking credit away from Andy Reid and putting it all on the athletic ability of McNabb and Vick? Really? Ok. That doesn't seem like you're being 'fair' or having perspective. If I remember correctly, wasn't there a QB controversy over Feeley after he put up good numbers and led the Eagles to several wins without McNugget?

And this line "If it was not for Vick's athletic abilities...the Eagles would be struggling. That is not opinion....that is fact." is a joke. You have no idea what the Eagles would be doing without Vick. You saw Kolb throw three picks in one game and all the sudden you think the Eagles would suck without a fast quarterback? Give me a break dude. Vick is really good, sure, but Andy Reid is a big reason for his success. To not acknowledge that is pretty damn hilarious to me. I'm not saying they'd be in the same position with Kolb, but to suggest that the Eagles had success merely because they have mobile quarterbacks is a joke.

:eaglesuck

[Dallsux]

From PFT http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-of-vikings-trade-for-mcnabb-is-premature/

Hopefully the Vikings want him real bad.

[Redskin Diehard]

Um, okay. I don't see what your post has to do with my post. I basically insulted Grossman. I was talking about DM's trade value at this point--that's it. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't use my post to launch into some completely unrelated rant/vent.

When you're an older QB who is benched for Rex Grossman, your trade value is impacted because the team has told the entire league what it thinks of you. Not a very difficult concept and my statement had nothing to do with my own assessment of DM (frankly, I couldn't care less, because that ship has sailed).

I'm sorry. I thought there was this little thing called the 1st amendment to the US Constitution that gives me the right to say whatever I want as long as I'm not posing a danger to anyone. My point is... the Shanahan's ruined his value way more than he ever could have. The fact that you referenced one of Shanahan's many ridiculous excuses for pulling D-Mac in the 4th quarter of the Lions game when we still had a chance to pull that one out, troubled me more than anything else. That made me think you actually buy into Shanahan's BS. If Shanahan was going to pull McNabb because he was (out of shape, didn't know the 2 minute offense or because he ate Mcdonalds before the game) he should have done it after halftime so Rex would have had a few series to warm up. Pulling him before a potential game winning drive troubled me a great deal. I haven't bought into anything Shanahan says since. If you hadn't made that reference, I would be completely cool with your position. My apologies if I came off like I was attacking you. I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. I'm just sick of all the short memories that want to support Shanahan now after all the mistakes he made last year while blaming DM for all of our offensive failures last season. Other than that I appreciate the interesting discussion after all these months of NFL limbo.

That ship may have sailed but if you're more satisfied with Rex and Beck than you are with D-Mac, I guess you trust an NFL coach's opinion, who got fired from his last gig by the way, way more than I do.

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I will always like D Mac and wish him well, because he is just a good guy and a classy person.

That is rare and goes a long way in todays NFL.

Well said...

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 09:11 PM ----------


Brilliant news if we can get something for him. But why in the heck anyone would give up anything for a guy that would eventually be cut anyways, and one who's all but done as a starter in this league is anyone's guess.

Frazier's a bigger chump than Childress.



---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 04:36 PM ----------



Up until the back end of last year I'd of agreed with you.

Then we had the very public spat between player/ player's agent/ OC and HC, which was FAR from classy on ANY concerned.

Hail.

If your boss painted a picture that made you look ineffective and washed up, potentially ruining any value you may have still had on the open market would you just sit quietly and take it or would you make some attempt to defend yourself? I'm just saying...

[Redskins4ever]

I honestly would hate to see McNabb go. I don't think Donovan got a fair shake in Washington under Mike Shanahan. With all of the talk about releasing him, trading him, him not wanting to wear a wrist band, him being a bad fit for the offense, is all garbage to me. Why trade for him, thus giving up two valuable picks if he wasn't going to be a Redskin long term? I hope the trade doesn't happen, because McNabb gives us a better chance to win. Not Grossman or Beck. But McNabb. I wish him well if he's traded to Minnesota or any other NFL team. If he is, hopefully we can get a good trade out of it.

[Redskin Diehard]

His legs will of gone by half-way. The only thing he'll be doing Christmas eve if he goes there is clip-board holding.

Hail.

Its much easier to break up with a girlfriend once you convince yourself that she wasn't all that hot anyway. That's your deal.

Hail to the Redskins!

[McD5]

I honestly would hate to see McNabb go. I don't think Donovan got a fair shake in Washington under Mike Shanahan. With all of the talk about releasing him, trading him, him not wanting to wear a wrist band, him being a bad fit for the offense, is all garbage to me. Why trade for him, thus giving up two valuable picks if he wasn't going to be a Redskin long term? I hope the trade doesn't happen, because McNabb gives us a better chance to win. Not Grossman or Beck. But McNabb. I wish him well if he's traded to Minnesota or any other NFL team. If he is, hopefully we can get a good trade out of it.

This. Well said.

[Redskin Diehard]

I back everything you say 100%...... I love this team but it's been really hard to love this team the past couple of years. With that said Mc5 I feel just didn't want to be here. He is our best option in my opinion and still is if on our roster.

I love em too. That's why its hard to endure all this Tom Foolery. I'm not trying to make Shanny out to be Jim Zorn of course but he's definitely no Joe Gibbs either. I think he's overrated and it disappoints and bothers me that a large percentage of the Skins fanbase is going along with Shanny's BS while kicking D-Mac squarely in his butt on his way out the door. I know Redskins fans have more class than that but I guess because Shanny presents himself as the all knowing.... for the time being he's been annointed the savior of redskins nation.

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 09:43 PM ----------


haha @ "Hopefully, Rex Grossman is part of the deal so the Vikings will have someone to run the two minute drill."

Hilarious!

[Hdf561]

Rumor is we are in the conversation for Matt Leinart....which I think is a definet upgrade over Grossman or Beck.

As for Mcnabb, I never liked him and thought he was overated, but I did think he was an upgrade at the QB position from what we were used to. I could care less about him leaving becuase he did nothing for us, did not want to run the offense Shannys way, and bottom line the guy is and always will be an Eagle...no matter how many teams he goes to after us he will always be an Eagle....when Rex Grossman comes in and is more productive in an offensive system than you then you gotta think maybe your the problem.

I was hoping we would maybe go out and get a Kyle Orton, but Leinart with Grossman backing him up and Beck as the 3rd string would be fine with me...then next year you draft a 1st rnd QB for the future, and have him learn behind Leinart (or whoever) and dump who ever is worse Grossman, or Beck.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I love em too. That's why its hard to endure all this Tom Foolery. I'm not trying to make Shanny out to be Jim Zorn of course but he's definitely no Joe Gibbs either. I think he's overrated and it disappoints and bothers me that a large percentage of the Skins fanbase is going along with Shanny's BS while kicking D-Mac squarely in his butt on his way out the door. I know Redskins fans have more class than that but I guess because Shanny presents himself as the all knowing.... for the time being he's been annointed the savior of redskins nation.[COLOR="Gold"]


Not a fan of Shanahan at all....but with that being said, I was never a big fan of McNabb as a QB either.

[McD5]

Rumor is we are in the conversation for Matt Leinart....which I think is a definet upgrade over Grossman or Beck.

As for Mcnabb, I never liked him and thought he was overated, but I did think he was an upgrade at the QB position from what we were used to. I could care less about him leaving becuase he did nothing for us, did not want to run the offense Shannys way, and bottom line the guy is and always will be an Eagle...no matter how many teams he goes to after us he will always be an Eagle....when Rex Grossman comes in and is more productive in an offensive system than you then you gotta think maybe your the problem.

I was hoping we would maybe go out and get a Kyle Orton, but Leinart with Grossman backing him up and Beck as the 3rd string would be fine with me...then next year you draft a 1st rnd QB for the future, and have him learn behind Leinart (or whoever) and dump who ever is worse Grossman, or Beck.

And here we go, getting raped again.

Leinart over McNabb? Really?

There isn't a NFL coach or coordinator on earth who would take Leinart over McNabb. It isn't even a question. It's pure insanity.

But this is what we do. Pro bowler Jeremiah Trotter dominates before coming here. He sucks here, because our coaching and organization are awful, and he leaves. Immediately, the following season he is a pro bowler again. J Taylor dominates. You know the story, He comes here and we blow. He decides not to financially rape Dan, and wants out of the circus. He leaves, and plays well again.

Now here we are with McNabb. Handing out condoms to the Vikings. Wonderful.

[scruffylookin]

McNabb is garbage. I hated the trade from the start and will be thrilled if we can dump him and his wormkiller throws to the Vikings for anything. It's still hard to fathom how the Vikings could think McNabb could "mentor" Ponder. That isn't exactly in his MO.

[McD5]

McNabb is garbage. I hated the trade from the start and will be thrilled if we can dump him and his wormkiller throws to the Vikings for anything. It's still hard to fathom how the Vikings could think McNabb could "mentor" Ponder. That isn't exactly in his MO.

Yes, McNabb sucks. He's awful. Beck and Grossman are both HOF'ers, but McNabb is possibly the worst QB in the league. He sucked at Philly, and certainly we got the absolute best out of him.

Great analysis there.:ols:

[blindlywewander]

And here we go, getting raped again.

Leinart over McNabb? Really?

There isn't a NFL coach or coordinator on earth who would take Leinart over McNabb. It isn't even a question. It's pure insanity.

But this is what we do. Pro bowler Jeremiah Trotter dominates before coming here. He sucks here, because our coaching and organization are awful, and he leaves. Immediately, the following season he is a pro bowler again. J Taylor dominates. You know the story, He comes here and we blow. He decides not to financially rape Dan, and wants out of the circus. He leaves, and plays well again.

Now here we are with McNabb. Handing out condoms to the Vikings. Wonderful.

What do you suggest? McNabb sucked here. What should we do? Keep him. Have him throw at the dirt in front of our receivers for another year or two?

[Audible_Red40]

Still think he got a raw deal, but hope this happens for our team and the future.

[ddub52]

Rumor is we are in the conversation for Matt Leinart....which I think is a definet upgrade over Grossman or Beck.


I was hoping we would maybe go out and get a Kyle but Leinart with Grossman backing him up and Beck as the 3rd string would be fine with me...then next year you draft a 1st rnd QB for the future, and have him learn behind Leinart (or whoever) and dump who ever is worse Grossman, or Beck.

Leinart went to Seattle along with t. Jax

[McD5]

What do you suggest? McNabb sucked here. What should we do? Keep him. Have him throw at the dirt in front of our receivers for another year or two?

Get a real coaching staff for starters? A competent owner would help too.

Do you believe any team in the league is trying to sign Beck right now? Do you think the phones are ringing off the hook with teams scrambling to sign Beck?

Do you believe there is a coaching staff in the league that could have screwed up both the Haynesworth and McNabb situations any worse than we did last year?

[Hdf561]

And here we go, getting raped again.

Leinart over McNabb? Really?

There isn't a NFL coach or coordinator on earth who would take Leinart over McNabb. It isn't even a question. It's pure insanity.

But this is what we do. Pro bowler Jeremiah Trotter dominates before coming here. He sucks here, because our coaching and organization are awful, and he leaves. Immediately, the following season he is a pro bowler again. J Taylor dominates. You know the story, He comes here and we blow. He decides not to financially rape Dan, and wants out of the circus. He leaves, and plays well again.

Now here we are with McNabb. Handing out condoms to the Vikings. Wonderful.

Well its not my fault he sucked here....Im just looking at the facts brother, Mcnabb was unproductive here...Taylor was injured during most of his stint, and Trotter well he just didnt produce. Maybe its time to stop getting mercenaries and get people who really want to be Redskins. I think we have that with some guys (Cooley, Moss, Mcintosh) But with guys like Mcnabb, Haynesworth, Taylor, etc. they were just in it for the money.

In my opinion that was the key to Gibbs success everyone who played for him wanted to be a Redskin, they bled Burgondy and Gold....most of these other guys bleed green.

[darrelgreenie]

Still think he got a raw deal, but hope this happens for our team and the future.+1
I think it silly when people pretend that last season defines McNabb career.
I wish him all the best but its time to move on.

[Veretax]

Its too bad Favre didn't have any juice left in his contract, we could try to acquire him for a last hurrah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ;) jk

BTW what is the best site to catch up on Skins signing news here? I've not seen a lot on the usual sites I've been hitting

[blindlywewander]

Get a real coaching staff for starters? A competent owner would help too.

Do you believe any team in the league is trying to sign Beck right now? Do you think the phones are ringing off the hook with teams scrambling to sign Beck?

Do you believe there is a coaching staff in the league that could have screwed up both the Haynesworth and McNabb situations any worse than we did last year?

Our head coach has a Super Bowl ring. Our OC turned the Houston Texans into a top offense. I'd say they're at least competent. Our owner no longer has input in player decisions.

Your Beck questions are dumb because he's not a free agent.

And Haynesworth screwed himself. McNabb has a ****ty work ethic and did not fit our team. Shanahan admitted it was a mistake.

[McD5]

Well its not my fault he sucked here....Im just looking at the facts brother, Mcnabb was unproductive here...Taylor was injured during most of his stint, and Trotter well he just didnt produce. Maybe its time to stop getting mercenaries and get people who really want to be Redskins. I think we have that with some guys (Cooley, Moss, Mcintosh) But with guys like Mcnabb, Haynesworth, Taylor, etc. they were just in it for the money.

In my opinion that was the key to Gibbs success everyone who played for him wanted to be a Redskin, they bled Burgondy and Gold....most of these other guys bleed green.

Nice post. It's not your fault he had a bad season here. Nor is is your fault that Trotter, Taylor or Fat Al blew here either. I wonder whose fault that is?

Even with incredible talent--future HOF'ers, we can't get anything out of the players. Yet the teams before us did, and the teams after us do.

That's not all on them. That's on us. That's what these coaches are paid for.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

Our head coach has a Super Bowl ring. Our OC turned the Houston Texans into a top offense. I'd say they're at least competent. Our owner no longer has input in player decisions.

Your Beck questions are dumb because he's not a free agent.

And Haynesworth screwed himself. McNabb has a ****ty work ethic and did not fit our team. Shanahan admitted it was a mistake.

Pretty much agree. As if the Haynesworth thing is anyone's fault but his.

And McNabb is the same guy our fanbase has been laughing about for years and now suddenly people want to defend him. He's a decent starter in the league at this point, but there's very little reason to keep him. And he's a fraud. He puts on a great act and plays the victim card all the time. I don't have any sympathy for him. I didn't want him for one reason - he's a Philadelphia Eagle. And I don't want him now for the same reason. Once an Eagle, always an Eagle. Especially after spending his entire career there. The biggest regret I have is ever having him in a Skins jersey.

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 10:11 PM ----------


Nice post. It's not your fault he had a bad season here. Nor is is your fault that Trotter, Taylor or Fat Al blew here either. I wonder whose fault that is?

Even with incredible talent--future HOF'ers, we can't get anything out of the players. Yet the teams before us did, and the teams after us do.

That's not all on them. That's on us. That's what these coaches are paid for.

The mistake is thinking that ANY of those former players have anything to do with the McNabb situation.

[darrelgreenie]

Here we go.

[McD5]

Our head coach has a Super Bowl ring. Our OC turned the Houston Texans into a top offense. I'd say they're at least competent. Our owner no longer has input in player decisions.

Your Beck questions are dumb because he's not a free agent.

And Haynesworth screwed himself. McNabb has a ****ty work ethic and did not fit our team. Shanahan admitted it was a mistake.

John Elway has a SB ring. What has our HC done since? Our OC? You mean the guy with the questionable play calling, who couldn't tailor an offfense to get any production out of McNabb?

And the Beck questions are "dumb?" We're about to release McNabb, a guy that you say has a "****ty" work ethic? How "****ty" has his work ethic been to have had so much success for so many years, with mainly average receivers? "****ty work ethic?:ols: Or awful coaching?

Let's give up two picks for a proven winner in McNabb, then get raped on the way out the door, and let's start Beck instead! Genius! Go team!

[Redskin Diehard]

I agree that it's not all Donovan's fault, but he sucked last year man. His accuracy has never been good, but it was worse last year than I'd ever seen it. McNabb, to me, is a system quarterback. ESPN has always slobbed his knob, but I think it's more Andy Reid than anything else. Look at the success Vick had last year. Kolb threw for over 300 in his first few starts there. They've won games with A.J. Feeley and Mike McMahon. I've hated Donovan since I can remember, so I may be biased. But the love he gets is not deserved in my opinion.

Dude you can call D-Mac a system QB. I can process that. But arent most QB's system QB's as in... after 2 to 3 years staying in any system a QB will become more comfortable and eventually more successful in that system if they have NFL talent. So he missed a few throws... It was his first year in the system and he wasnt exactly throwing to DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Macklin with LeSean McCoy on the side in all fairness. One thing for sure... he definitely connected on some throws deep that Jason usually missed when he was here. Jason definitely had a better year in Oakland than Donovan had here last year but that probably had a lot to do with Oakland's defense, running game and o-line. By the way... Do you remember who Donovan had blocking for him last year? If it wasnt for his limited mobility, the sack total would have probably been double and we might have been 4 and 12 instead of 6 and 10. His out of shape legs probably got us at least a couple wins we wouldnt have had otherwise and who knows what our record would have been if he hadnt been benched the last 4 games.

Is he the Donovan of old? of course not... but even with his declining skills, he's still better than 60% of the quarterbacks in the NFL right now, when he's working with a fully stocked offense in my opinion. Mark my word... I think you'll see where I'm coming from this season when its all said and done if Minnesota can add a few decent WR's to go with AP and their killer defense.

[blindlywewander]

John Elway has a SB ring. What has our HC done since? Our OC? You mean the guy with the questionable play calling, who couldn't tailor an offfense to get any production out of McNabb?

And the Beck questions are "dumb?" We're about to release McNabb, a guy that you say has a "****ty" work ethic? How "****ty" has his work ethic been to have had so much success for so many years, with mainly average receivers? "****ty work ethic?:ols: Or awful coaching?

Let's give up two picks for a proven winner in McNabb, then get raped on the way out the door, and let's start Beck instead! Genius! Go team!

A proven winner in a different system. It's been reported in multiple places that McNabb has a poor work ethic. You've seen one season of our coaching staff and our offensive play calling. And no one is tailoring their offense to fit McNabb. It was meant to be the other way around. But I'm not getting into it with you because you've never been wrong in your entire life and it's a waste of my time lol.


Dude you can call D-Mac a system QB. I can process that. But arent most QB's system QB's as in... after 2 to 3 years staying in any system a QB will become more comfortable and eventually more successful in that system if they have NFL talent. So he missed a few throws... It was his first year in the system and he wasnt exactly throwing to DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Macklin with an order of LeSean McCoy on the side... in all fairness. One thing for sure... he definitely connected on some throws deep that Jason usually missed on even though Jason definitely had a better year in Oakland than Donovan had here last year. By the way... Do you remember who Donovan had blocking for him last year? If it wasnt for his limited mobility, the sack total would have probably been almost double and we might have been 4 and 12 instead of 6 and 10. His out of shape legs probably got us at least a couple wins we wouldnt have had otherwise and who knows what our record would have been if he hadnt been benched the last 4 games.

Again, I said it's not all McNabb's fault. We lost as a team. But everyone is making all these excuses for McNabb like he's some legendary figure. He's a ****ing Eagle. Shanny realized he made a mistake pretty soon in the season and McNabb was lucky to start the games he did. Once he realized that the McNabb thing was over, Shanny moved on to finding the next QB here.

I don't think Shanahan is some genius. But he's done some positive things since he's been here. Most people here can acknowledge that.

[Rypien1191]

God, is there a bigger malcontent on this board?

[rockfan7224]

Say goodbye!

Bmitchlive Brian Mitchell
Had a conversation with McNabb. Contrary to what's being reported, he's not holding up the trade, skins are. Won't be there tomorrow

[megared]

I can't even force myself to be mad at McNabb, regardless of what transpires with the trade. He's certainly a bigger person than me...there'd be absolutely no way I'd facilitate the Skins getting anything back for me unless I was 99% sure I couldn't at least match the restructured contract in free agency.

[flexxskins]

Sorry if this has been already mentioned.

NFL Network reports teams have "parameters of a deal" for McNabb

[Mickalino]

Sorry if this has been already mentioned.

NFL Network reports teams have "parameters of a deal" for McNabb

Yea, pretty much all the major stuff is hammered out, except whether to add mayonnaise or mustard.

[flexxskins]

Yea, pretty much all the major stuff is hammered out, except whether to add mayonnaise or mustard.Lets hope we are getting both mayonnaise and mustard.

[grego]

And McNabb is the same guy our fanbase has been laughing about for years and now suddenly people want to defend him. He's a decent starter in the league at this point, but there's very little reason to keep him. And he's a fraud. He puts on a great act and plays the victim card all the time. I don't have any sympathy for him. I didn't want him for one reason - he's a Philadelphia Eagle. And I don't want him now for the same reason. Once an Eagle, always an Eagle. Especially after spending his entire career there. The biggest regret I have is ever having him in a Skins jersey.



i agree. the defending of mcnabb is a mystery to me. dont get me wrong- had he played well, i'd have been defending him. but, he didnt. not anyones fault but his. eff him and his fake self.

[darrelgreenie]

Whatever pick we get for McNabb we should turn aruond and offer to the Panthers for Jimmy Clausen.

[Boston Skins]

i agree. the defending of mcnabb is a mystery to me. dont get me wrong- had he played well, i'd have been defending him. but, he didnt. not anyones fault but his. eff him and his fake self.

Shouldn't be.

Redskins QB annointed savior, Redskins QB sucks because of a combination of errors/no talent surroundings, and utlimately QB gets run out of town to the dismay of the fans. The fans are so desperate for a franchise QB that we have even built up John Beck in our minds as this great Quarterback.

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Whatever pick we get for McNabb we should turn aruond and offer to the Panthers for Jimmy Clausen.

To sit on the bench for a year I hope?

[darrelgreenie]

Shouldn't be.

Redskins QB annointed savior, Redskins QB sucks because of a combination of errors/no talent surroundings, and utlimately QB gets run out of town to the dismay of the fans. The fans are so desperate for a franchise QB that we have even built up John Beck in our minds as this great Quarterback.

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 11:09 PM ----------



To sit on the bench for a year I hope?GP.
Most objective fans can at least see the situation with McNabb and the Redskins as a bad fit as opposed to one party "sucking".
Because if that was the case then suckitude would have to extend in both directions both McNabb and Kyle.

Clausen? Hopefully to sit for year and but also to provide insurance against John Beck.

[Skinsinparadise]

Jay_Glazer Jay Glazer
Vikes agree to trade 6th rounder in 12 and possibly 6th in 13 to Wash for Donovan McNabb. Deal contingent on McNabb agreeing to much less $$

[grego]

Shouldn't be.

Redskins QB annointed savior, Redskins QB sucks because of a combination of errors/no talent surroundings, and utlimately QB gets run out of town to the dismay of the fans. The fans are so desperate for a franchise QB that we have even built up John Beck in our minds as this great Quarterback

i hear what youre saying. but, i think very few skins fans are building him up to be great. maybe a vocal minority.

[TaylorPickSix]

Jay_Glazer Jay Glazer
Vikes agree to trade 6th rounder in 12 and possibly 6th in 13 to Wash for Donovan McNabb. Deal contingent on McNabb agreeing to much less $$

Wow. Didn't think we'd even get table scraps for him. Not too bad, Allen.

[TE#80]

A sixth this year and a sixth next year would be awesome for someone that was outplayed by Rexasaurous.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Better than nothing, glad it is almost over with. Hopefully things workout well for Donovan in Minny.

[Boston Skins]

Better than nothing, glad it is almost over with. Hopefully things workout well for Donovan in Minny.

Same here

[Skinsinparadise]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/redskins-vikings-close-to-pullin-off-trade-for-mcnabb/

Redskins, Vikings close to pulling off trade for McNabb
Posted by Mike Florio on July 26, 2011, 11:18 PM EDT

The report from several hours ago that the Vikings and Redskins had agreed to terms on a trade for quarterback Donovan McNabb was indeed premature. But we pointed out that the deal could still happen, and happen it will.

Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports the Redskins have agreed to send McNabb to Minnesota for a sixth-round pick in 2012 and a conditional sixth-round pick in 2013. Omar Kelly of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel also reports that the two teams have reached an agreement, with the compensation being a late-round pick.

The only remaining sticking point is McNabb’s willingness to restructure his contract. Glazer reports that McNabb would receive far less compensation than the $12.5 million he was due to receive in Washington.

If it happens, McNabb’s one-year career with the Redskins will end with a clumsy thud. He started 13 games, and he threw 14 touchdown passes, 15 interceptions. He was benched during the closing minutes of a Halloween loss to the Lions. Later, the Redskins sat him down behind Rex Grossman for the final three games of the season.

The Redskins gave up a second-round pick in 2010 and a fourth-round selection in 2011 for McNabb, the second overall pick in the 1999 draft. He played 11 seasons in Philly, taking the Eagles to five NFC title games and one Super Bowl.

In Minnesota, he’d presumably hold the starting job unless and until Christian Ponder is ready to go — or until the team is struggling to the point where it makes sense for the Vikings to get Ponder some live reps.

[hoskins]

The Redskins should at least offer to pay for his wristbands next year.

And maybe some proper hand warmers.

[Hitman#21]

That goes to show the people who said the Redskins would have to release him, and get nothing for him.

[skinsfan190]

Personally I'm still pissed. We gave up an early 2nd for nothing. It just makes me mad when I think about it. WEe need to be smart. I can't deal with getting robbed the way we are. Makes the Jason Taylor deal look good. :doh:

With that said. I'm glad it's over. 1 distraction down. 1 to go.

[ixcuincle]

Gonna remember that comeback against TB which fell short because of that XP. But it wasn't Donovan's fault. Leading the team like that down the stretch, that was an epic drive. It's just a shame the XP was missed.

[Boston Skins]

Personally I'm still pissed. We gave up an early 2nd for nothing. It just makes me mad when I think about it. WEe need to be smart. I can't deal with getting robbed the way we are. Makes the Jason Taylor deal look good. :doh:

With that said. I'm glad it's over. 1 distraction down. 1 to go.

Two late picks back are better than none, which is exactly what we got after releasing Jason Taylor. Kudos to Allen and co. This front office is continuing to impress.

[respectgibbs]

I just have to wonder - what does McNabb have to gain by agreeing to this deal? Why not wait until we have to release him (since obviously he won't be on our roster at that price) and then let Minny get him for free (a bit late - but still).

[skinsfan190]

Two late picks back are better than none, which is exactly what we got after releasing Jason Taylor. Kudos to Allen and co. This front office is continuing to impress.
I'm not a pestimistic guy at all but the deal shouldn't have happened. I'm on board of the Allen and Shanahan train too but let's be honest. McNabb is worth 2 6th round picks. The Vikings are very smart to do this deal.

[Idaho fan]

Skins get a sixth rounder next year with an additional 6th possible in 2012 per NFL total access....
Not sure we got our monies worth out of him lol....

[Staxnet]

Purplepride.com member Kevoncox says this about McNabb:

"Would like to have him and Hanseworth."


From your mouth to God's ears, Kevoncox.

http://www.purplepride.org/forum/69-vikings-2011-offseasondraftfa-forum/1100897-vikings-and-redskins-close-to-deal-for-mcnabb?limit=15&start=15

[Boston Skins]

I'm not a pestimistic guy at all but the deal shouldn't have happened. I'm on board of the Allen and Shanahan train too but let's be honest. McNabb is worth 2 6th round picks. The Vikings are very smart to do this deal.

Oh absolutely. And, assuming most of their pieces return, they have the talent and system in which McNabb can flourish.

Of course the deal never should have happened. But it did, didn't work out (I was really hoping it would), and now we can move on.

with John Beck...

Oy...

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Two late picks back are better than none, which is exactly what we got after releasing Jason Taylor. Kudos to Allen and co. This front office is continuing to impress.


Allen & Co are the reason we were in this mess in the first place lol.

[Boston Skins]

Allen & Co are the reason we were in this mess in the first place lol.

Yeah. But in sports you make mistakes, and adjust. They're doing just that.

[Sleepy Davis]

anyone else think he will look funny in purplehttp://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/randmid_1303164995_mcnabb.jpg

[skinsfan190]

Oh absolutely. And, assuming most of their pieces return, they have the talent and system in which McNabb can flourish.

Of course the deal never should have happened. But it did, didn't work out (I was really hoping it would), and now we can move on.

with John Beck...

Oy...
Now I'm really terrified. I'm not buying the "I'm gonna talk my way into the starting lineup strategy" :ols: I think Rex or someone else will end up starting

[Boston Skins]

anyone else think he will look funny in purple

Wow.

I..

Wow. :ols:

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Now I'm really terrified. I'm not buying the "I'm gonna talk my way into the starting lineup strategy" :ols: I think Rex or someone else will end up starting

The lockout was John Beck's best friend. Too bad it won't last too much longer. We'll see how high Shanny has Beck rated when he benches him against Dallas in Week 3, if he makes it out of camp as the starter to begin with.

[dfbovey]

Also creates 11 million or more in cap space, doesn't it?

[Special K]

Made the best we could out of the situation. I realize this isn't ideal for what we gave up for him, but I'm okay with this.

[martytheman]

Hmm, things are already looking good for next year's draft. If I am correct, the skins have 1,2,3,4,4,5,6,6 (I think 7 goes to NO for the JB trade?)
add some kind of compensation for Haynesworthless (prob 5 or 6) and that's enough ammo to move up into the 2nd or 3rd round.

Not bad all things considered... at least the 2nd they wasted on Mcnabb was sort of recouped in this year's draft.

[OuterBanksTarHeel]

I'm sorry. I thought there was this little thing called the 1st amendment to the US Constitution that gives me the right to say whatever I want as long as I'm not posing a danger to anyone. My point is... the Shanahan's ruined his value way more than he ever could have. The fact that you referenced one of Shanahan's many ridiculous excuses for pulling D-Mac in the 4th quarter of the Lions game when we still had a chance to pull that one out, troubled me more than anything else. That made me think you actually buy into Shanahan's BS. If Shanahan was going to pull McNabb because he was (out of shape, didn't know the 2 minute offense or because he ate Mcdonalds before the game) he should have done it after halftime so Rex would have had a few series to warm up. Pulling him before a potential game winning drive troubled me a great deal. I haven't bought into anything Shanahan says since. If you hadn't made that reference, I would be completely cool with your position. My apologies if I came off like I was attacking you. I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. I'm just sick of all the short memories that want to support Shanahan now after all the mistakes he made last year while blaming DM for all of our offensive failures last season. Other than that I appreciate the interesting discussion after all these months of NFL limbo.

That ship may have sailed but if you're more satisfied with Rex and Beck than you are with D-Mac, I guess you trust an NFL coach's opinion, who got fired from his last gig by the way, way more than I do.

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 09:04 PM ----------



Well said...

---------- Post added July-26th-2011 at 09:11 PM ----------



If your boss painted a picture that made you look ineffective and washed up, potentially ruining any value you may have still had on the open market would you just sit quietly and take it or would you make some attempt to defend yourself? I'm just saying...

And I'm sorry that you continue to blatantly misread my posts, since I never suggested that you should be barred from saying "whatever you want" (the whole concept of free speech).

Here is what I actually wrote (I'm reposting in case you missed it the first time):

"I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't use my post to launch into some completely unrelated rant/vent."

Nowhere do I suggest that you shouldn't be legally allowed to a) respond to my post with a different opinion or b) respond to my post with a completely irrelevant argument that doesn't come close to engaging what I actually wrote. Asking you to please not do b) is not the same as asking that your right to free speech be impinged upon.

So, if you want to continue to do b), by all means, it's certainly within your constitutional rights to blatantly misread what I wrote and respond to it with an argument that doesn't engage my post at all.

As for the rest of your post, all I have to say is....so what?

Not to be harsh, but you are reading way too much into my org. post and assuming too much. Honest to God, I was making a simple comment about his trade value as it stands now. I really don't care about any of the stuff that went on last season because I don't like any of our QB's.

I also find it very odd that you think I "bought into MS's BS" when I'm basically saying that the coaches ruined DM's trade value.

Sheesh!

[Frostx08]

And there will still be some who will blindly side with McNabb, just to go against "The Man". I never thought that Shanny had it out for McNabb for some off-the-wall reason. This is even further confirmation that i was right. Thanks for posting bro!

Your argument could work both ways. Shanahan has been known for having an ego...and he could be saying things like this to make himself look right. Unless of course you expect him to openly say "I treated McNabb like crap and embarassed him by saying he doesn't have cardiovascular endurance"...which he did

---------- Post added July-27th-2011 at 02:20 AM ----------


Haha, are you an Eagle fan? WTF..

So you're taking credit away from Andy Reid and putting it all on the athletic ability of McNabb and Vick? Really? Ok. That doesn't seem like you're being 'fair' or having perspective. If I remember correctly, wasn't there a QB controversy over Feeley after he put up good numbers and led the Eagles to several wins without McNugget?

And this line "If it was not for Vick's athletic abilities...the Eagles would be struggling. That is not opinion....that is fact." is a joke. You have no idea what the Eagles would be doing without Vick. You saw Kolb throw three picks in one game and all the sudden you think the Eagles would suck without a fast quarterback? Give me a break dude. Vick is really good, sure, but Andy Reid is a big reason for his success. To not acknowledge that is pretty damn hilarious to me. I'm not saying they'd be in the same position with Kolb, but to suggest that the Eagles had success merely because they have mobile quarterbacks is a joke.

:eaglesuck

Nice try....but if you're gonna respond come with a stronger argument

Yes I am taking credit away from Andy Reid. For over 10 years, he's failed to establish a balanced offense. His entire offense has been based on the athleticism of McNabb or in this case Vick...avoiding sacks, scrambling for a few yards here and there. McNabb succeeded even in Reid's pass happy offense and inability to put together a competent offense. He passed over the likes of Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Ochocinco for....wait for it....Freddie Mitchell!!!

Tell me what Reid has done...really?? Go ahead...tell me. A Qb controversy with Feeley? Really? When? In what sane football analyst's mind? Feeley was an OKAY backup at best....they won a few games and if you did your research, you'd see that while Donovan was absent Reid put the pressure on Westbrook and it became a running offense for the most part.

I have plenty of ideas on what the Eagles would be doing without Vick. Running into Vick was pure luck. If it wasn't for Donovan Vick wouldn't be there. If Kolb hadn't been injured(after passing for like 10 yards in the 1st half against the Packers and stinking it up), Vick wouldn't have taken over. Kolb sucked against the Titans...sucked against the Cowboys...sucked against the Packers. His only decent game was against the Chiefs 2 years ago and that's when they really sucked

So...you were saying??

---------- Post added July-27th-2011 at 02:23 AM ----------


McNabb is garbage. I hated the trade from the start and will be thrilled if we can dump him and his wormkiller throws to the Vikings for anything. It's still hard to fathom how the Vikings could think McNabb could "mentor" Ponder. That isn't exactly in his MO.

He did an okay job with Vick and Kolb...just saying

Don't let your bias get in the way of reality. Your McNabb bashing all this time has always lacked any ounce of objectivity

[Dallsux]

Get a real coaching staff for starters? A competent owner would help too.



Anything you say after this doesn't even matter. Is Beck or Grossman better than McNabb? They are for the Redskins. McNabb was with Philthy for 11 years. How many Super Bowls did he win?

...

...waiting...

Get yet another coaching staff...oh, oh...a REAL coaching staff is what you said. What a laugh. Doesn't Shanahan have a Super Bowl? Scratch that, 2 Super Bowls? Versus the coaching staff in Philthy that hasn't sniffed the Super Bowl for what, 5 years now & prior to that, 25 years. REAL coaching staff?

Oh, & we should go out & find ourselves another owner too? Do you have one hand-picked for us already? :doh:

C'mon, Dude. Use your head. Obviously, the Skins are trying to right the wrong of trading for McNabb to begin with. Is a team that makes a personnel mistake not supposed to fix that mistake? Right now, Beck & Grossman fit our system & team better than McNabb. But only right now. I seriously doubt the plan is to have them as our "future" & McNabb wasn't cutting it, as we ALL know. Personally, I don't like McNabb as a player. He's overrated. Has been for years. Trading for him was bad. Trading him away was good. Since we can't get your already hand-picked owner to convince Snyder to sell the team to him, & since Snyder seems to want to stick with the GM/Coach combo he has in place right now, we'll just have to settle for trading players. Even the ones you like.

---------- Post added July-27th-2011 at 02:18 AM ----------


John Elway has a SB ring. What has our HC done since? Our OC? You mean the guy with the questionable play calling, who couldn't tailor an offfense to get any production out of McNabb?

And the Beck questions are "dumb?" We're about to release McNabb, a guy that you say has a "****ty" work ethic? How "****ty" has his work ethic been to have had so much success for so many years, with mainly average receivers? "****ty work ethic?:ols: Or awful coaching?

Let's give up two picks for a proven winner in McNabb, then get raped on the way out the door, and let's start Beck instead! Genius! Go team!

:rotflmao:

Winner? What has McNabb EVER won? What, a regular season title? Do they have those? He's 1-4 in NFCC games, 0-1 in the Super Bowl...oh, but that's all everyone else's fault right? While I respect the man for what he's had to deal with in the media, he hasn't accomplished anything on the field. And if the QB gets credit for all the wins, then he can also take the blame for the losses & let's face it, when the season is on the line & it's time for McNabb to "nut up or shut up", he throws up. Why we ever traded for him to begin with is mystery to me. We, as Skins fans, have joked him for YEARS about having to eat his Chunky Campbell's soup from the can because everytime he gets near a Bowl, he chokes. Then we go & sign him? Good riddance, McNabb.

[dadirtbags]

I'm a bit disapointed...wasnt crazy about the original trade(ex eagle)...than got used to DM as a skin and was hoping for the best..but agree...if both parties want to go different direction...it would be best all around...we need to find the right chemistry now

[ConnSKINS26]

So where are the guys who said we'd have to release McNabb, and that we'd get literally NOTHING? Time to eat some crow. Two 6ths is better than nothing.

[skinsdude]

Eating crow may be going a bit too far. Two sixth round picks are not literally nothing but they are next to nothing. We'll have to wait and see whether those two six round picks even make the team. If not, then they are literally nothing.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I'm sorry. I thought there was this little thing called the 1st amendment to the US Constitution that gives me the right to say whatever I want as long as I'm not posing a danger to anyone.

No.

That's so wrong its painful.

------------

Goodbye and good riddance to Donovan McNabb. Sincerely hoping Shannahan and Allen never make a similar mistake again.

[ConnSKINS26]

Eating crow may be going a bit too far. Two sixth round picks are not literally nothing but they are next to nothing. We'll have to wait and see whether those two six round picks even make the team. If not, then they are literally nothing.

No,. There were people spouting off at the mouth for MONTHS about how it was literally impossibly for us to get anything for him, from anyone. They guaranteed it. Those are the people I'm talking about.

[Larry]

anyone else think he will look funny in purple

Everybody looks funny in purple.

Except maybe Heath Ledger.

[Dub70s]

Kelly Johnson just tweeted that the deal is complete.....guess he finally signed the papers

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

kjohnsoncsn Kelli Johnson
Just told to hold the phone! Premature. Deal for Donovan not finalized. Sorry

[The Tris]

A six rounder and a conditional one in 2013 for McNabb is basically an extra slice of Pepper Jack cheese on a hamsammich. It still doesn't change the fact that a year and two high draft picks were wasted and given to a divisional rival to strengthen them.



IF Skins end up with the 2 6th rd pix from Min, per draft value chart they will have spent about a late 1st-round pick for 1-year DM5 rental

You can't put a price on the stablility and leadership that one year offered our young team.

Well maybe you can, but still, TOTALLY worth the veteran prescence that McNabb and other vets provide to our young, bewidlered rookies.

[THE GREAT I AM]

I hope everyone knows that McNabb is going to light us up in December when we play the Vikings.

[postong]

I hope everyone knows that McNabb is going to light us up in December when we play the Vikings.

Kind of like when he lit the Eagles up last season?

[Maximus71]

I hope everyone knows that McNabb is going to light us up in December when we play the Vikings.

By then the vikings will be starting their young QB...

[Hooper]

Can't believe Donny is holding up the deal because his ego was hurt. He could blow his best chance at a starting job.

[SkinsFanMania]

I hope everyone knows that McNabb is going to light us up in December when we play the Vikings.

Most likely he'll be injured at that point in the season.

[angel2]

Can't believe Donny is holding up the deal because his ego was hurt. He could blow his best chance at a starting job.


He's history!

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=728007-redskins-donovan-mcnabb-agrees-to-restructure-deal

[ConnSKINS26]

Thank god. Get the **** out McNabb.