Per Schefter Twitter: Skins Sign DE Stephen Bowen 5 Yrs 27.5 Mill 12.5 Guaranteed

[SkinsNoles21]

AdamSchefter:
Redskins reached agreement with former Cowboys DE Stephen Bowen on a 5-year, $27.5 million deal that includes $12.5 million in guarantees. [via Twitter]

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

well no cullen jenkins i guess

[Rocky52Mc]

Whaaaaaaaa

[ragjobe]

Redskins reached agreement with former Cowboys DE Stephen Bowen on a 5-year, $27.5 million deal that includes $12.5 million in guarantees.

[rookieskin]

Nmandi, Here We Come!!

[DeMarco Murray 29]

It's a good signing. Dude has a non stop motor.

[karmacop]

Well, he's only 27 years old, instead of Jenkins' 30. So at least we got (another) player that has the chance to improve, rather than the inevitable post-30 decline.

[mjpanzer]

seriously? Bye bye Jenkins

[authentic]

So long Jenkins...It was nice while it lasted.

[rookieskin]

Make sure he gets a good shower before walking into FedEx.....

[NoCalMike]

Can't tell if ESPN 980 is just trying to look at this through burgundy & gold glasses, but supposedly Bowen subbed for Marcus Spears when he was hurt and played extremely well....so take that for what it's worth....

[DeMarco Murray 29]

Can't tell if ESPN 980 is just trying to look at this through burgundy & gold glasses, but supposedly Bowen subbed for Marcus Spears when he was hurt and played extremely well....so take that for what it's worth....

He actually out played Spears.

[rookieskin]

Oh, did we just run up the asking price for Jenkins, just prior to signing Bowen?

(I kinda like this thought)

[skinsaddict]

i'll take it over a guy that just wants to milk the money cow.

been there, done that

[Art]

Hmm. Ok, that's interesting. Younger than Jenkins, but, NO WHERE NEAR as good or active. A completely serviceable 3-4 end, but nothing more than that. Unless he's replacing Carriker and we're still in the Jenkins market, this means we're either going to load up for one big splash, OR we have a series of mid-level offensive line moves to come.

This is not an exciting move by any stretch. It does continue to strengthen the defense and make it fit the 3-4 and maintains a generally young deploy. If we also get Jenkins, I'll say this move seems overkill.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Seems like a nice chunk of change for Bowen. He outplayed Spears but Spears was playing like crap when that happened. Bowen is a decent player though.

[Califan007]

We've picked up two D-Linemen from division rivals lol...

[DeMarco Murray 29]

Hmm. Ok, that's interesting. Younger than Jenkins, but, NO WHERE NEAR as good or active. A completely serviceable 3-4 end, but nothing more than that. Unless he's replacing Carriker and we're still in the Jenkins market, this means we're either going to load up for one big splash, OR we have a series of mid-level offensive line moves to come.

This is not an exciting move by any stretch. It does continue to strengthen the defense and make it fit the 3-4 and maintains a generally young deploy. If we also get Jenkins, I'll say this move seems overkill.

Bowen is best as a situational guy. He played well on 3rd downs and was always in the backfield. If he plays a similar/increased role that he did in Dallas you guys will love this signing.

[SkinFaninOKC]

http://www.nfl.com/player/stephenbowen/2506738/careerstats

Did we just throw money at him like he's Albert? This guy is average at best.

[bird_1972]

I don't know much about Bowen, but I actually like this signing.

1) He's younger
2) He isn't coming off of a Super Bowl and looking to cash in

Did we pay too much, though? Seems like a lot.

[DeMarco Murray 29]

http://www.nfl.com/player/stephenbowen/2506738/careerstats

Did we just throw money at him like he's Albert? This guy is average at best.

He was used as a 3rd down pass rusher / sub. He will shine in D.C.

[authentic]

I read an article that the cowboys were "Scared to death" of losing Bowen in FA. Looks like we got a quality signing. Plus he's YOUNG.... This D, will look very interesting.

[Boss_Hogg]

Cowboys "Scared to Death" About Losing Bowen To Free Agency

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/7/26/2295842/dallas-cowboys-free-agent-signings-doug-free-stephen-bowen-status

[skinsdomination09]

5.5 sacks in 5 years with cowboys 11 starts. 27 years old. Not fabulous but 4.5 in last 2 seasons.

quality I suppose + hes from cowpukes

[justice98]

Hmm. Ok, that's interesting. Younger than Jenkins, but, NO WHERE NEAR as good or active. A completely serviceable 3-4 end, but nothing more than that. Unless he's replacing Carriker and we're still in the Jenkins market, this means we're either going to load up for one big splash, OR we have a series of mid-level offensive line moves to come.

This is not an exciting move by any stretch. It does continue to strengthen the defense and make it fit the 3-4 and maintains a generally young deploy. If we also get Jenkins, I'll say this move seems overkill.

Certainly nothing wrong with depth. The more the merrier. I'm just not convinced Colfield's the primary NT, so there's gotta be something else up their sleeve, in my estimation.

[Rutliff381]

Well they've seen a lot of film on him and must of liked what they saw...ALOT

[Hitman#21]

Has 3-4 experience, young, and from a rival..so i like the move!

[SkinFaninOKC]

Cowboys "Scared to Death" About Losing Bowen To Free Agency

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/7/26/2295842/dallas-cowboys-free-agent-signings-doug-free-stephen-bowen-status

Were they scared of losing depth or Bowen's talent? TN 41 knows more about the guy than I do so I'll accept it as a positive move but not for the money he's allegedly being given.

[Rutliff381]

Seems like starter money to me!

[karmacop]

You guys might be underestimating Bowen. This article says that multiple scouts were saying that "Bowen could 'surprise' the general public with his eventual contract. That's because Bowen is a young player who is versatile and could just be reaching his prime."

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/7/28/2300608/dallas-cowboys-free-agents-stephen-bowen-chicago-bears-interested

This Cowboys blogger said that the Dallas front office was "scared to death" of losing Bowen (and Free) to free agency:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/7/26/2295842/dallas-cowboys-free-agent-signings-doug-free-stephen-bowen-status

An ESPN blog listed Bowen as the #2 free agent Dallas "must keep" behind Free, saying that Bowen "proved in the second half of last season that he can be a solid starter":

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4680586/ranking-the-free-agents-cowboys-need-to-keep

Being able to scout guys and sign them BEFORE they break out and become studs is what differentiates the teams that have good players in their late 20s that can improve, versus teams that have players in their early 30s (i.e., Cullen Jenkins) that will inevitably decline.

Count me in.

[thebluefood]

Have a link?

Anyway, if this is true, welcome to the right side of the rivalry.

[Califan007]

Were they scared of losing depth or Bowen's talent? TN 41 knows more about the guy than I do so I'll accept it as a positive move but not for the money he's allegedly being given.

Never known a team to be "scared to death" of losing a depth player.

[Audible_Red40]

Wow the money seems high for his production, or lack there of.

[The Tris]

Younger, heathier, and cheaper than Cullen Jenkins. Good bridge to Jarvis Jenkins.

It's called building for the long term. Not sure why so many people are scared of it.

[RiggosMohawk]

12.5 guaranteed seems a bit much. This means Cofield has to start at NT, or else we're paying some big guaranteed money for platooning DL guys.

[thebluefood]

From what I understand he's not exactly a game changer, but he does seem like an improvement.

Welcome aboard, Bowen.

[santanathegreat]

I'm still not convinced Cofield is a full-time NT. But the rotation looks decent on paper. All the old guys are gone, and hopefully Cofield and Bowen are coming into their prime.

[Califan007]

Being able to scout guys and sign them BEFORE they break out and become studs is what differentiates the teams that have good players in their late 20s that can improve, versus teams that have players in their early 30s (i.e., Cullen Jenkins) that will inevitably decline.

Count me in.

In other words, should Bowen go on to be a quality starter, the contract he just signed will turn out to look like a rather good one :yes:...

[kleese]

An Antonio Pierce situation perhaps?

[Xero21]

I don't agree with this move for the money spent. It's one thing to look good in relief duty, it's another thing to perform an entire season as a starter. They're rolling the dice.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

You guys might be underestimating Bowen. This article says that multiple scouts were saying that "Bowen could 'surprise' the general public with his eventual contract. That's because Bowen is a young player who is versatile and could just be reaching his prime."

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/7/28/2300608/dallas-cowboys-free-agents-stephen-bowen-chicago-bears-interested

This Cowboys blogger said that the Dallas front office was "scared to death" of losing Bowen (and Free) to free agency:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/7/26/2295842/dallas-cowboys-free-agent-signings-doug-free-stephen-bowen-status

An ESPN blog listed Bowen as the #2 free agent Dallas "must keep" behind Free, saying that Bowen "proved in the second half of last season that he can be a solid starter":

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4680586/ranking-the-free-agents-cowboys-need-to-keep

Being able to scout guys and sign them BEFORE they break out and become studs is what differentiates the teams that have good players in their late 20s that can improve, versus teams that have players in their early 30s (i.e., Cullen Jenkins) that will inevitably decline.

Count me in.

Very good post. Excellent points. I love it.

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I also think we'll be doing a lot of rotations along the d-line. Cofield will be shifting between DE and NT. Bryant and Nields will be getting a lot of time at NT. I think Cofield will most likely be our NT on passing downs with Bowen at DE beside him. On rushing downs, I fully expect Cofield to shift over to DE.

God, we will have A LOT of pass rushing talent attacking the backfield on passing downs. This could get very very exciting.

[texasthunder]

Jenkins screwing around about dollars.
Lets just hope Jenkins does not end up in Dallas

[The Tris]

In other words, should Bowen go on to be a quality starter, the contract he just signed will turn out to look like a rather good one :yes:...

Paying for the future instead of the past...

[Rutliff381]

So if they were "scared to lose him" and couldnt even match offer then we significantly overpaid for him, no?

[2STaylor1]

im happy about the move, only 27, now lets focus on o line

[laxpck]

Seems as if this move MIGHT be to replace what we wanted Jarmon to do. Nickel/3rd Down rusher with motor to chase the ball all over the field.

I like it. Whats not to like about it? Trenches.

[Destino]

We seem to have a lot of guys that can play DE and no one that has proven he can play nose tackle.

[Bobbyst21]

Not bad at all,but when are we going to address the offensive O-line that we have?

[laxpck]

So if they were "scared to lose him" and couldnt even match offer then we significantly overpaid for him, no?

THe cowboys are screwed by the cap. Dont read into overpaying too much more than that.

[Califan007]

Paying for the future instead of the past...

That's a foreign concept around Redskins Park :ols:...

[skins_4_life]

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/18/secret-superstar-stephen-bowen-dallas-cowboys/

CHECK THIS OUT

[karmacop]

In other words, should Bowen go on to be a quality starter, the contract he just signed will turn out to look like a rather good one :yes:...

Very true. And your statement highlights the risk in this plan -- that's the team's scouting report overestimated Bowen's ceiling and he's a marginal starter, at best. If you're going to get younger free agents while they still have room to grown and improve, that's the risk you have to take, I guess.

Frankly, I'd rather the Skins take this risk and build with younger guys, than take the risk of decline and injuries with older but more proven players. This team has taken the latter route for Danny's entire reign, so it's kinda refreshing that they're taking these kind of risks now instead.

We'll see how it turns out.

[Griff]

Big Boy:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/091122/GAL-09Nov22-3159/media/PHO-09Nov22-189327.jpg

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Dallas+Cowboys+v+Washington+Redskins+PxbYySOSqL1l. jpg

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Stephen+Bowen+Miami+Heat+v+Dallas+Mavericks+Kf5Otr CWj9xl.jpg

[pjfootballer]

Was is it about everyone and Cofield not being a NT? You DON'T have to be 350+ pounds to play NT. You don't have to be a big fat slob. Most of it is technique and strength. Damn, would you guys just friggin relax already. This FO has made some "wonderful" I mean "WONDERFUL" moves this week. Relax and enjoy this. For once, we're getting younger players, not paying a wheelbarrow full for over aged vets, actually "Obtaining" draft picks, getting rid of waste and bring in guys who fit the system. Geez, no pleasing you jackholes.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

12.5 guaranteed seems a bit much. This means Cofield has to start at NT, or else we're paying some big guaranteed money for platooning DL guys.

All of the good and aggressive defenses platoon DL guys. Huge bodies like that can't go full out every snap, you need good depth.

[Rocky21]

Wide receivers and defensive linemen out the ass but no offensive linemen at all?

This continues to baffle me.

[Maximus71]

Jenkins screwing around about dollars.
Lets just hope Jenkins does not end up in Dallas

The cowboys couldnt pay for Bowen.. they definitly cant pay for Jenkins.

[Ken]

Bowen's best asset is his nickle pass rush from the DT position. He is a nice player that I believe fits where your team is better now than Jenkins. Jenkins doesn't make much sense when you are trotting out the offense that you are. Jenkins is a guy who can put a team over the top. Bowen has some upside and will be around for when theoreitically get better. JMO....

[ouvan59]

Were they scared of losing depth or Bowen's talent? TN 41 knows more about the guy than I do so I'll accept it as a positive move but not for the money he's allegedly being given.

I think most of that "scared to death" was Free. I'm sure they wanted to keep Bowen. I'm just not sure they were scared to death to lose him.

[SkinFaninOKC]

Never known a team to be "scared to death" of losing a depth player.

Scared because they couldn't pay to keep him and have no one besides him to follow Spears? If Dallas fans liked this guy enough that replacing Spears was a good thing is Dallas in a position to lose Spears too?

[Truant]

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/18/secret-superstar-stephen-bowen-dallas-cowboys/

CHECK THIS OUT

"It was such a good season for Stephen Bowen that he finished third in our 3-4 defensive end rankings. High praise indeed, but it wasn’t all sunshine and smiles. For a start, while he held up in the run game, he wasn’t making a ton of plays, nor was he asked to. Such was the Cowboys (and his) season that he found his ratio of run to pass snaps at 1:2.4, so we are yet to see him truly tested in this regard.

Then there’s the question of how he handles a defense that may ask more of him as a two-gap defensive end. Could it be that what made him such a good fit for Wade Phillips’ defense, makes him a situational player in what Rob Ryan does? We saw Rob Ryan run different schemes when in Oakland and Cleveland, maximizing the strengths of his rosters. What he does with Stephen Bowen, and whether he relegates him back to sub package duty will be something to watch.

So it’s a risk to label Stephen Bowen a Secret Superstar heading into the 2011 season, but if he can keep playing the way he’s played these past few years, how can you not like his chances of making a bigger impression?"

[2STaylor1]

So if they were "scared to lose him" and couldnt even match offer then we significantly overpaid for him, no?

never know, they could have put some big money on Cullen and when we heard that we snagged Bowen

[Dub70s]

We just need to steal someone from the Eagles and then we will have the trifecta....McNabb doesn't count...we got robbed on that deal.

[Xero21]

So after reading a little more, it seems like we gave a 5 year 27 million dollar contract to a situational pass rusher/unproven starter. Definitely a gamble. Maybe Haslett thinks he can coach him up really well.

[Califan007]

Very true. And your statement highlights the risk in this plan -- that's the team's scouting report overestimated Bowen's ceiling and he's a marginal starter, at best. If you're going to get younger free agents while they still have room to grown and improve, that's the risk you have to take, I guess.
The analysis provided and linked to by others on this thread seems to point to a rather good player who fans will downplay due to him not being a household name. One ended their analysis by saying "He’s been good for a long time, even if people don’t know it."

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So after reading a little more, it seems like we gave a 5 year 27 million dollar contract to a situational pass rusher/unproven starter. Definitely a gamble. Maybe Haslett thinks he can coach him up really well.

It didn't sound to me like he needs "coaching up" to become a starter, he just needed to be given the opportunity. Dallas kept Spears ahead of him but found ways to get Bowen on the field. Pretty sure Bowen will be given every possible opportunity to entrench himself as starter while here.

[Destino]

Was is it about everyone and Cofield not being a NT? You DON'T have to be 350+ pounds to play NT. You don't have to be a big fat slob. Most of it is technique and strength. Damn, would you guys just friggin relax already. This FO has made some "wonderful" I mean "WONDERFUL" moves this week. Relax and enjoy this. For once, we're getting younger players, not paying a wheelbarrow full for over aged vets, actually "Obtaining" draft picks, getting rid of waste and bring in guys who fit the system. Geez, no pleasing you jackholes.

What is it about you and assuming people will play a position well before they've ever played it? Stop counting your chickens early.

[Xero21]

Former NFL scout/owner of newerascouting.com Matt MilleR (that's Miller with an R, NOT Millen. :pfft: ) just tweeted about the signing:

nfldraftscout Matt Miller
Really like the underrated signing of Stephen Bowen by the Redskins. A very promising 3-4 DE.

This makes me feel better about it. Matt's a very insightful guy and I trust his analysis.

[JaxJoe]

So if they were "scared to lose him" and couldnt even match offer then we significantly overpaid for him, no?

Not necessarily. Cowboys are in cap hell and can't offer what the market will bear to retain their players.

[Saqs]

ShanAllaHan are looking good IMO. This and Cofield are both low risk/high reward moves on young, in the trench talent coming into their prime.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Like the look of this one. $12.5m gtd money (same as Cofield ?) is the key number. By time he's 30, we'll know if he's worth the money in years 4 & 5 of his contract and then deal with that at the time.

Very good move.

[Diesel Hog]

So with the new D-Line signees, do y'all think this means we'll see Jarvis Jenkins manning the NT position?

[derskinsfan]

I've never understood fans getting overly worked up by how much money a guy is signed for. It's not exactly like it's YOUR money and the player either works out of the field or he doesn't. Let the cap guys worry about the books. Focus on analyzing the player.

[Diabolo]

I've never understood fans getting overly worked up by how much money a guy is signed for. It's not exactly like it's YOUR money and the player either works out of the field or he doesn't. Let the cap guys worry about the books. Focus on analyzing the player.

Exactly ! Anyway we have to spend close 99% of the cap... We still have ways to go.... Why not create a good depth. You never know when your starting player is out for the season.

[Xero21]

I've never understood fans getting overly worked up by how much money a guy is signed for. It's not exactly like it's YOUR money and the player either works out of the field or he doesn't. Let the cap guys worry about the books. Focus on analyzing the player.

Because if the player doesn't work out, you're stuck with a bunch of players on your team that are hard to cut due to the money owed them.

for example: Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd, Albert Haynesworth, etc.

[pjfootballer]

What is it about you and assuming people will play a position well before they've ever played it? Stop counting your chickens early.

Never said nor assumed he will play it well, but it's obvious that the FO is not bringing in what everyone deems a true NT. And just as you say I'm assuming he will play it well, you guys are assuming he won't play it well.

[royallypwned]

This is bull****!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[CurseReversed]

I've never understood fans getting overly worked up by how much money a guy is signed for. It's not exactly like it's YOUR money and the player either works out of the field or he doesn't. Let the cap guys worry about the books. Focus on analyzing the player.

I tend to agree with this. For all the horrible moves and bad contracts the redskins have made over the past 10 years, they never seemed to "run out" of cap room. It is not my money and as long as they can work the cap so that they can still get who they want in the future., I will not stress specific numbers too much. I don't have these contracts in front of me, and I do not know how they are structured. After three years we could drop these guys if they dont work out and probably not take too much of a hit, outside of danny's wallet, which I could not care less about. :)

[DCchillin89]

Bowen's wiki picture makes the signing worth it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Bowen_(American_football)

[SwampEm]

another thread has been started on this topic

[wilbur58z]

Really hope they now stay away from Cullen Jenkins.....was never crazy about that. He's 30 years old.

[pimpumd]

Never said nor assumed he will play it well, but it's obvious that the FO is not bringing in what everyone deems a true NT. And just as you say I'm assuming he will play it well, you guys are assuming he won't play it well.

+1. Let's see how all of our new players are utilized by the coaching staff before making any judgments or assumptions about how they'll perform. I'm pretty excited to see our new defensive line (and defense as a whole) in action.

[Veretax]

So if they were "scared to lose him" and couldnt even match offer then we significantly overpaid for him, no?

Or we caught the cowboy's blind sided, who thought they'd be able to come back to him later, and Bowen seeing the jenkins thing jumped at the chance.

[royallypwned]

This is so much BS. boooooooooooooooooooooo

[skins4ever17]

OKAY, well no one can really assume what our starting 3-4 will look like, BUT as of now, what will our 3-4 loook like?

Orakpo, Ryan, Bowen, Cofield...? What about ilb?

[Sawyer5500]

According to Pro Football Focus, Stephen Bowen was the 3rd best 3-4 Defensive End in the league last year. Hes not as good of a pass rusher as Jenkins but he is way better against the run. Jenkins is a pure pass rusher, Bowen is younger, cheaper, and a more well rounded player. He can still get after the QB too.

[Tweedr01]

This is bull****!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

:ols::ols::ols::ols::ols::ols::ols::ols::ols::ols: :ols::ols::ols:

[Xero21]

OKAY, well no one can really assume what our starting 3-4 will look like, BUT as of now, what will our 3-4 loook like?

Orakpo, Ryan, Bowen, Cofield...? What about ilb?

Right now, it seems to be this:

DE: Bowens, Carriker
NT: Cofield
LB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley.

Riley and Henson are just going to compete for the ILB spot.

[Veretax]

those worried about a NT, I think that Bryant or Nield will be real gems for us. Just give them a chance.

[SkinsNoles21]

Right now, it seems to be this:

DE: Bowens, Carriker
NT: Cofield
LB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley.

Riley and Henson are just going to compete for the ILB spot.


Plus the rookie Jenkins.

[authentic]

This is so much BS. boooooooooooooooooooooo

have you read the reviews on Bowen? Haven't seen anything negative yet.....

[Alcoholic Zebra]

Former NFL scout/owner of newerascouting.com Matt Miller just tweeted about the signing:

nfldraftscout Matt Miller
Really like the underrated signing of Stephen Bowen by the Redskins. A very promising 3-4 DE.

This makes me feel better about it. Matt's a very insightful guy and I trust his analysis.

Wow, I completely just read that as Matt Millen and was about to go crazy and completely reverse my opinion of Bowen to him being a bust. But, after calming down, I realized it was Miller not Millen.

[skins4ever17]

Right now, it seems to be this:

DE: Bowens, Carriker
NT: Cofield
LB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley.

Riley and Henson are just going to compete for the ILB spot.

I feel safe about our D now. With atogwe and wilson in the back field, this D might actually be top 10. I can see this D as a underrated, hard working, high character unit. No flashy names, just good physical players that are YOUNG. Riley? Young. Kerrigan? Rook. Orakpo? Young. etc. A lot of our 3-4 is under 30 now [:

[authentic]

I've never understood fans getting overly worked up by how much money a guy is signed for. It's not exactly like it's YOUR money and the player either works out of the field or he doesn't. Let the cap guys worry about the books. Focus on analyzing the player.

Agree!! For me, it was never how much they got paid. It was always that they got paid all of this $$, but couldn't play. When they hit the field on Sunday, I want guys who can do when they where brought in for so we can win.

[royallypwned]

have you read the reviews on Bowen? Haven't seen anything negative yet.....

Exactly, I wanted him to stay with the Cowboys. ;) :mad:

[Dan T.]

have you read the reviews on Bowen? Haven't seen anything negative yet.....

:secret: royallypwned is a Cowboys fan.

[authentic]

Former NFL scout/owner of newerascouting.com Matt Miller just tweeted about the signing:

nfldraftscout Matt Miller
Really like the underrated signing of Stephen Bowen by the Redskins. A very promising 3-4 DE.

This makes me feel better about it. Matt's a very insightful guy and I trust his analysis.

:ols:, i'm glad i read this twice. I thought this was "Matt Millen"...and that you were being sarcastic.. :ols:

---------- Post added July-28th-2011 at 01:10 PM ----------


:secret: royallypwned is a Cowboys fan.

ahhhhhhh, I see. :)

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Well that come out of left field.

I honestly know little about him, but on the face of it it's a well structured contract, he's a decent age, and he's a local boy which is always a plus. Good size and fit for a 34 end. And both Dallas fans in this thread are pissed, so that's a good sign. I'd of prefered to of still had Jarmon to compliment him, but that's past. All in all hard to find fault here.

Am I missing anything? ..... Oh yeah :idea:

Hopefully this ends the fricking Cullen Jenkins pursuit. :jump:

Welcome to DC Stephen.

Hail.

[authentic]

Exactly, I wanted him to stay with the Cowboys. ;) :mad:

I guess this was a good thing then. :)

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

Hmm. Ok, that's interesting. Younger than Jenkins, but, NO WHERE NEAR as good or active. A completely serviceable 3-4 end, but nothing more than that. Unless he's replacing Carriker and we're still in the Jenkins market, this means we're either going to load up for one big splash, OR we have a series of mid-level offensive line moves to come.

This is not an exciting move by any stretch. It does continue to strengthen the defense and make it fit the 3-4 and maintains a generally young deploy. If we also get Jenkins, I'll say this move seems overkill.


I'd be perfectly happy if this were the case. Instead of 1 top dog free agent and a whole bunch of Stephon Heyer's, why not a bunch of solid mid-level guys?

[Chump Bailey]

DL is shaping up quite nicely I think.

[Stophovr6]

This is so much BS. boooooooooooooooooooooo

Skeptical until this post. This makes me happy. ;)

Also, Jim Hasslets D better perform very well next season, he's being given everything he wants it seems.

[RedskinsCaps02]

Good pick up... today has been very productive and I am glad and proud of the moves we made. I knew somewhere we were going to make some smart moves.... Now we move onto O-Line and lets grow together and become a team! Good Job Shanny and Bruce!!

[THUNDERDOME]

RickMaese Rick Maese
Redskins appear to be more than $30 million below salary cap http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html

[thebluefood]

This is so much BS. boooooooooooooooooooooo

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSlMXkPbJcIufnY_Y2WmC6ngtjyqd7wa J8i8PGt06dlslbAd2vOYw

[Tweedr01]

have you read the reviews on Bowen? Haven't seen anything negative yet.....

he's a dallas fan

[Santana_Fan]

RickMaese Rick Maese
Redskins appear to be more than $30 million below salary cap http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html

Even after all of the agreements, wow.

[ST21]

While Cofield might get the start, I think Bryant will be huge and rotate quite a bit!!



Right now, it seems to be this:

DE: Bowens, Carriker
NT: Cofield
LB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley.

Riley and Henson are just going to compete for the ILB spot.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

IMO we paid way way too much for this guy. Not sure what that see in him but damn! 12 guaranteed? I'll wait and see but don't feel great about this.

[SWFLSkins]

Google the guy and this...... Big loss for Cowboys: DE Stephen Bowen bolts for Redskins



http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20110728-big-loss-for-cowboys-de-stephen-bowen-bolts-for-redskins.ece

[Chachie]

I have said it so many times on this board- No more ex-Cowboys ever. Ever.

This guy better be awesome.

[Mickalino]

I have said it so many times on this board- No more ex-Cowboys ever. Ever.

This guy better be awesome.

Haynesworth wasn't an ex-Cowboy.

McNabb wasn't an ex-Cowboy.

Can it get any worse than those ? :ols:

[sideshow24]

He just wanted to play in a better stadium.

[Warhead36]

Our DL was absolutely awful last season. Bowen, along with Cofield, are huge upgrades that also weaken our division rivals.

We did overpay a tad but we got plenty of $ to spend and we have to spend it anyway, might as well spend it on positions of need.

[OlufemiBiz]

I don't agree with this move for the money spent. It's one thing to look good in relief duty, it's another thing to perform an entire season as a starter. They're rolling the dice.



Secret Superstar: Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboys
March 18th, 2011 | Author: Khaled Elsayed
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/18/secret-superstar-stephen-bowen-dallas-cowboys/


We’re taking a risk on our next secret superstar. There’s every chance he could be playing his football somewhere new next season, and even if he stays in Dallas, he’ll be working under a new defensive coordinator.

What issues that would present, we’re yet to know. Rob Ryan had defensive ends in Cleveland that were run stuffers. Our guy has a bit more burst and penetration to his game, and initially made a name for himself in defensive sub packages.

So, it could be a case that his skill set isn’t a good fit. Though, to be honest, if he can perform the way he did in his nine starts in 2010, there aren’t many defenses he couldn’t fit into.

Cowboys, you’re going to want to hold onto your Secret Superstar, Stephen Bowen.

Becoming Relevant

When you think of Hofstra and football, you’re more likely to think of Marques Colston. He was one pick away from being the Mr. Irrelevant of the 2006 NFL draft and has gone onto become one of the league’s better receivers. But, if you want a really ‘irrelevant’ player, how about a guy who left Hofstra at the same time as Colston and went undrafted … a guy like Stephen Bowen.

While Colston was getting all manner of praise (rightfully,) Bowen was biding his time on Dallas’ practice squad. He eventually got his call up and even saw some game time as a rookie, picking up a sack in a week 17 encounter with Detroit. That, coupled with an impressive off season, earned Bowen a spot as a back-up in 2007; a role that he kept heading into our first year of existence and when we started thinking the Cowboys could be on to something.

Though he hadn’t had a sack since his 2006 debut, Bowen did get a decent amount of pressure for the action he saw in 2008. 10 QB disruptions in 103 pass rushes represented a good return, and he’d managed to grade positively in run defense as well. He was still way down on the depth chart, but his performance was such that he was going to get more snaps in 2009.

Climbing the ladder

Two hundred and one more snaps to be precise. Though Bowen wasn’t getting a great deal of action in base defenses, his role had grown to see him alongside Jay Ratliff in the nickel. The Cowboys had obviously picked up on his ability to put pressure on the QB, and he wasn’t letting them down. Getting 346 opportunities to rush the passer, the Cowboys’ #72 produced 25 total quarterback disruptions (one less than Jay Ratliff who rushed the passer 137 more times.)

It was such an impressive performance that we were a little disappointed when 2010 rolled around and Marcus Spears was still in the starting lineup. Granted, Spears would go on to have one of his better years, but it had long been established that Spears had a limited upside. Why not get a possible diamond in the rough into the lineup when he had shown he warranted an opportunity?

As fate would have it, injury forced the Cowboys to bring Bowen into the starting defense in Week 9. Before this, he had continued in his ‘09 role of package duty and infrequent appearances in the base. The outcome was similar – he had picked up 13 quarterback pressures prior to his first start – but there was a sense of excitement (over in the PFF offices at least) when he started against Green Bay. He couldn’t have chosen a worse game to start.

Life as a starter

A terrible night for Dallas, and a bad night for the former Hofstra player too. Not only were the Cowboys dominated, but for the first time all year Bowen struggled to produce. On the field for 50 snaps (29 rushing the passer) he didn’t produce a single pressure. He kept his starting spot for the Giants game a week later, but only mustered two pressures in 37 pass rushing situations. There was a concerning trend developing, even if he had more then held his own in run defense. Could it be that the former undrafted free agent just wasn’t cut out for an every down role? Was he better off sticking to his spot as a situational player?

The Cowboys weren’t about to give up on him yet, and so, with the Lions coming to Texas, he had another chance to show he could handle what was being asked of him. While his snap total fell, he was able to get back to his pass rushing best as he went to work on Rob Sims. The end result was a one sack and four pressure day, and suddenly all was good again. A week later, in the Thanksgiving Day defeat to New Orleans, he kept the momentum going with a one hit and four pressure day, giving Carl Nicks (our top rated guard on the year) his worst game of the year.

He wasn’t showing up big on conventional stat sheets, but his performances were creating problems for the opposition. Over the remainder of the season, he had some big games (like when Washington visited) and some not so big games (in Arizona, for example), but he held up. Tasked with an increased role, he stayed firm in run defense and it didn’t come at the expense of his ability to get to the passer; he ended up with 33 total QB disruptions on the year.

Uncertainty on the horizon

It was such a good season for Stephen Bowen that he finished third in our 3-4 defensive end rankings. High praise indeed, but it wasn’t all sunshine and smiles. For a start, while he held up in the run game, he wasn’t making a ton of plays, nor was he asked to. Such was the Cowboys (and his) season that he found his ratio of run to pass snaps at 1:2.4, so we are yet to see him truly tested in this regard.

Then there’s the question of how he handles a defense that may ask more of him as a two-gap defensive end. Could it be that what made him such a good fit for Wade Phillips’ defense, makes him a situational player in what Rob Ryan does? We saw Rob Ryan run different schemes when in Oakland and Cleveland, maximizing the strengths of his rosters. What he does with Stephen Bowen, and whether he relegates him back to sub package duty will be something to watch.

So it’s a risk to label Stephen Bowen a Secret Superstar heading into the 2011 season, but if he can keep playing the way he’s played these past few years, how can you not like his chances of making a bigger impression?

He’s been good for a long time, even if people don’t know it.

[GreenRiggins]

Thanks to the Directv Fan package I watch all East games and this pickup is nothing special

[bentskin]

The Eagles signed Babin who is 31 for 5yrs / 28mil.
I live in Dallas and the sports talk around here is that they did NOT want to lose this guy. Right now it seams ok to me. I am very curious to see what C. Jenkins signs for though. If it turns out to be 5yrs / 35mil / 15mil guaranteed then I prefer Bowen.
HTTR

[bird_1972]

Right now, it seems to be this:

DE: Bowens, Carriker
NT: Cofield
LB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley.

Riley and Henson are just going to compete for the ILB spot. You are missing Jarvis Jenkins and Anthony Bryant at the nose. Remember that Bryant looked pretty good towards the end of the year.

[War Paint]

Skeptical until this post. This makes me happy. ;)

Also, Jim Hasslets D better perform very well next season, he's being given everything he wants it seems.

Yeah, we better see a significant improvement. That said, we are adding a bunch of new bodies to the roster so they are going to need a learning curve. Hopefully things will go smoothly.

[Agent23]

This team is seriously going in the wrong direction. Only good signing they made was bringing Moss back...and maybe the Josh Wilson signing. I am glad they got rid of Haynesworth at least. Gonna be a long year with mediocre talent. Face it, the only playmakers we have are: Cooley, Moss, T. Williams, Orakpo, and Landry. Hopefully Kerrigan is decent...Good Lord....

[War Paint]

those worried about a NT, I think that Bryant or Nield will be real gems for us. Just give them a chance.


I was impressed with Bryant at NT. He played well towards the end of last season.

[The Tris]

Pretty much universal agreement from many sources that hold no favor towards the Skins (mosely, williamson, PFF, etc.) that this was a great signing.

And pretty much universal anger on the part of the team that lost him.

Two excellent signs.

[SWFLSkins]

This team is seriously going in the wrong direction. Only good signing they made was bringing Moss back...and maybe the Josh Wilson signing. I am glad they got rid of Haynesworth at least. Gonna be a long year with mediocre talent. Face it, the only playmakers we have are: Cooley, Moss, T. Williams, Orakpo, and Landry. Hopefully Kerrigan is decent...Good Lord....

So please let us know what you would have done differently?

[kevincollateral]

@mattmosley
The Cowboys want you to think Skins vastly overpaid Bowen. I'm not so sure they did.

[skins2victory]

He dosent even have any highlights on you tube..... Thats not a good sign

[dballer]

I just don't understand the way some of you fans think...Half of the negative thinkers are mad when we sign quality guys like Wilson and Bowen because they think we are overpaying, the other half are mad that we are not signing "playmakers" and breaking the bank. No matter what move the Skins make half of yall are going to hate it. They could sign Peyton Manning for $1 and there would be haters. Bowen is going to be a SOLID end for us and 12.5 guaranteed over 5 years is not a bad deal.

---------- Post added July-28th-2011 at 03:28 PM ----------


This team is seriously going in the wrong direction. Only good signing they made was bringing Moss back...and maybe the Josh Wilson signing. I am glad they got rid of Haynesworth at least. Gonna be a long year with mediocre talent. Face it, the only playmakers we have are: Cooley, Moss, T. Williams, Orakpo, and Landry. Hopefully Kerrigan is decent...Good Lord....


Yeh bro...Trent Williams is a playmaker, as most left tackles are...? We have seen what happens when the Skins try to sign "playmakers" in free agency. I watch Hankerson at the U and he is playmaker. Fred Davis is probably more of a playmaker than Cooley. Josh Wilson has legit CB speed and can take it to the house. Maybe you should just be a Ravens fan and watch all of their "playmakers".

[PokerPacker]

That's a lot of money to a guy when Jenkins is still out there, I think.

[Jeeb]

He dosent even have any highlights on you tube..... Thats not a good sign

If you google him, the first couple of links is for a 47 year old astronaut.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

That's a lot of money to a guy when Jenkins is still out there, I think.

Apparently, Jenkins' asking price was too high.

[JohnnyUtah]

Pretty much universal agreement from many sources that hold no favor towards the Skins (mosely, williamson, PFF, etc.) that this was a great signing.

And pretty much universal anger on the part of the team that lost him.

Two excellent signs.

I couldn't agree more. The 'Boys are pissed that they lost him.

[dieselfan44]

Make sure he gets a good shower before walking into FedEx.....

damn right,...wash that grime off!...good one!

[PokerPacker]

Apparently, Jenkins' asking price was too high.

I wouldn't be surprised. a player of his level coming off a super bowl victory isn't gonna be cheap on the open market. As I understand it, even Daryn Colledge, who I think is a decent-but-not-great guard, is getting a pretty big pay-day from the Cards (details have not been released as far as I am aware, but his agent was very happy about the deal saying it was everything they wanted, so I'm sure the Cards overpaid a good deal).

Now if only we can get that kind of interest in Barnett...

edit: looks like $27.5 mil over 5 years, $10 mil guaranteed

[SWFLSkins]

If you google him, the first couple of links is for a 47 year old astronaut.

BS.

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[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

That's a lot of money to a guy when Jenkins is still out there, I think.

Meh, $12.5 mill. guaranteed on a 5 year $27.5 mill, deal isn't too bad at all. We're not too much out of pocket if he doesn't pan out the first 2 or 3 years.

Hail.

[dballer]

Not to mention the fact we are way under the cap and HAVE to get to the 90% mark....

[Jeeb]

BS.

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[SWFLSkins]

post withdrai think i spelled it Steven wn

spelling it right would help.

[grego]

IMO we paid way way too much for this guy.

based on what?

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

based on what?

Based on the fact his numbers are underwhelming in every sense. I personally would give money to a proven commodity and this sounds like a signing based on potential. It's a lot of dough for someone who hasn't done squat.

[Califan007]

Based on the fact his numbers are underwhelming in every sense. I personally would give money to a proven commodity and this sounds like a signing based on potential. It's a lot of dough for someone who hasn't done squat.

You sure you want to stick with those parts in red? lol...

[00Dirty30]

Phillip Daniels is quite pissed that they threw that much money at him

[Truant]

Based on the fact his numbers are underwhelming in every sense. I personally would give money to a proven commodity and this sounds like a signing based on potential. It's a lot of dough for someone who hasn't done squat.

Word is that he did his job well, which was to eat up blockers and allow those around him to make plays. He's a stout player designed to play end in the 3-4. DTs and 3-4 ends will never look good in the stat sheet, but they often make a big difference with defensive rankings.

[SkinsGuy]

Phillip Daniels is quite pissed that they threw that much money at him

Phillip Daniels is on his own time now, so he can be pissed at his own lesiure. :)

[grego]

Based on the fact his numbers are underwhelming in every sense. I personally would give money to a proven commodity and this sounds like a signing based on potential. It's a lot of dough for someone who hasn't done squat.

check what sites like profootballfocus have to say about the guy, rather than looking at some #'s. also, see what those who follow the cowboys have to say about him.

sounds like we got a very good player entering his prime.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

You sure you want to stick with those parts in red? lol...

Career Defensive Stats
Year Team Tk Ast Sck Stf FF FR PD Int Yds TD
2006 Dallas*Cowboys 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 Dallas*Cowboys 9 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2008 Dallas*Cowboys 6 11 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
2009 Dallas*Cowboys 12 6 3 1 1 0 2 0 0 0
2010 Dallas*Cowboys 16 6 2 4 0 0 1 0 0 0
Totals: 44 27 6 7 1 0 3 0 0 0


Uh yeah I'll stick to what I said. Where's the beef I'm missing? 44tackles and 6 sacks in 5 years????
I know a guy is often more than his stats, but it's a reach to say he deserved 12 mil guaranteed. Just b/c I don't like what we paid him doesn't mean I hope he fails on the contrary. Now please go ahead and show me quotes about peoples opinions of him, it won't change the FACT he hasn't done much in terms of production.

[wilbur58z]

since when are 3-4 d-lineman about stats?

They're there to clog gaps

[LightningBuggs]

My good buddy is a huge (and knowledgable) Cowboy fan. When I told him that Cowboys may have jumped into fray with Skins for Jenkins, he said, "I'd much rather re-sign Bowen, rather than chase Jenkins. Bowen is gonna be a good one."

He's very unhappy right now.

So, there you have it.

[styx491]

Career Defensive Stats
Year Team Tk Ast Sck Stf FF FR PD Int Yds TD
2006 Dallas*Cowboys 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 Dallas*Cowboys 9 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2008 Dallas*Cowboys 6 11 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
2009 Dallas*Cowboys 12 6 3 1 1 0 2 0 0 0
2010 Dallas*Cowboys 16 6 2 4 0 0 1 0 0 0
Totals: 44 27 6 7 1 0 3 0 0 0


Uh yeah I'll stick to what I said. Where's the beef I'm missing? 44tackles and 6 sacks in 5 years????
I know a guy is often more than his stats, but it's a reach to say he deserved 12 mil guaranteed. Just b/c I don't like what we paid him doesn't mean I hope he fails on the contrary. Now please go ahead and show me quotes about peoples opinions of him, it won't change the FACT he hasn't done much in terms of production.

You're arguing about black in a sea of color. It's not about stats for linemen like this, his personal numbers and stats don't matter because the others around him are getting most of the stats and numbers. Why don't you go do the research yourself about quotes and opinions about people who have been watching the Cowboys and watching him specifically?

[Art]

Bowen's role is not about his numbers.

A better view of how he played is how the fans of the team feel about him and feel about his loss. Has anyone seen anything out of Dallas to suggest they didn't really like this guy? Was Ware more or less productive when rushing on the same side as Bowen? There are a lot of things a 3-4 end has to do that do not include generating huge tackle/sack numbers. He did have 4 stuffs last year, which shows some ability to penetrate. Honestly, I'm not saying Bowen is a great signing. But, by all accounts, he's a singing that appears to have room to GROW as a player who has not yet reached his full productivity and ability. If this is so, it's probably a good thing.

[grego]

You're arguing about black in a sea of color. It's not about stats for linemen like this, his personal numbers and stats don't matter because the others around him are getting most of the stats and numbers. Why don't you go do the research yourself about quotes and opinions about people who have been watching the Cowboys and watching him specifically?

this is correct. like O linemen, you really cant look at a set of #'s to determine how they play. the best way to know is by listening to those who've watched him.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Guys I'm not some hater and am fully aware if the role of 3/4 ends. I'm encouraged that people feel we got a solid contributor. IMO you don't pay solid contributors 12 guaranteed. Let's hope for the best but I'm just amazed at the homers that come out in defense of a pick that can easily be argued against. If that's the market for serviceable solid ends who haven't done much yet than fine. But we overpaid on this! I think it's clear. I love the Chester,Wilson,cofield,gaffney,rocca, delas this one just has me hoping it wasn't a mistake.

[ciresolstice]

You guys might be underestimating Bowen.

Being able to scout guys and sign them BEFORE they break out and become studs is what differentiates the teams that have good players in their late 20s that can improve, versus teams that have players in their early 30s (i.e., Cullen Jenkins) that will inevitably decline.

Count me in.

I Agree with this line of thinking and "hope" that's the case with this move.

[grego]

Guys I'm not some hater and am fully aware if the role of 3/4 ends. I'm encouraged that people feel we got a solid contributor. IMO you don't pay solid contributors 12 guaranteed. Let's hope for the best but I'm just amazed at the homers that come out in defense of a pick that can easily be argued against. If that's the market for serviceable solid ends who haven't done much yet than fine. But we overpaid on this! I think it's clear. I love the Chester,Wilson,cofield,gaffney,rocca, delas this one just has me hoping it wasn't a mistake.

but you say we are overpaying based on his #'s. people who have actually evaluated him dont think we overpaid. people who follow the cowboys dont think we overpaid. they think we got something more than a 'solid' starter.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Michelle Beisner on NFL network is smoking hot. Jebus!