Thoughts on Philly and the Skins.

[fuse]

so..i'm feeling like the eagles are making moves(and trades) like the successful pats and recent steelers teams. it seems like every move the eagles make is a very smart and productive one(trade advantages). Am I wrong in thinking the Eagles FO is just dominating or are we also keeping with what we need to do for now?

[SnyderShrugged]

I'm thinking our games against them will be as tough as they always were and that anything can happen in a division rivalry

[Califan007]

I'm not even sure what you're asking here lol :ols:...

But I will say this: The Broncos under Shanahan were supposed to be yearly SB contenders after they traded for Champ Bailey...didn't quite work out that way, huh lol...and the Eagles' D-Coordinator has never been a D-Coordinator in the NFL before.

[USS Redskins]

I am thinking the games are going to be like the November slaughter from last year. Even worse, since the Skins have a high school grade offense, at best.

The D may be better and hold them to only 45 pts instead of 59, though. Thats a start.

[Kdiggy]

so..i'm feeling like the eagles are making moves(and trades) like the successful pats and recent steelers teams. it seems like every move the eagles make is a very smart and productive one(trade advantages). Am I wrong in thinking the Eagles FO is just dominating or are we also keeping with what we need to do for now?



In the past we were the offseason champs. And what did that get us?
So this year Philly will be. Lets see if they play like a team though.

[B55Green]

If by smart you mean setting them up for a bad cap, then sure thing.

[Burgold]

The Eagles are going for bust it seems. Reid seems to need to get it done this year or next. The Redskins on the other hand, for the first time since the '80's are beginning to build a team from the ground up. Both teams are probably doing what's right for the development at this stage of the game.

We'll see how it plays out.

[Sandman69]

I am thinking the games are going to be like the November slaughter from last year. Even worse, since the Skins have a high school grade offense, at best.

The D may be better and hold them to only 45 pts instead of 59, though. Thats a start.

Please! Our offense should be better than last year and our defense definitely is better. What got worse in the off season with our Offense? Only thing might be the QB play, but if Beck works (not sure there), or if Rexxy signs and ends up starting I don't see it as a problem.

We have a better OL. We have a better Running Squad. Receivers should be better.

I don't get the negativity.

The Iggles had a successful off season like the Pats or Steelers? When was the last time they picked up a big name for big bucks?

I think they may have just had a off season like the skins of old. How long were we champs of the off season?

I think we had a very good off season from the draft to the FA pickups. The Chicken Little attitude should wait until we actually see them play. Don't anoint the Iggles champs already.

[LetThePointsSoar]

...and the Eagles' D-Coordinator has never been a D-Coordinator in the NFL before.

I (and I think many of us) forgot about that one....that's a good call...hopefully by the time he figures it out, these 30 year old pieces they're adding are past the point of contributing...

[Blue Collar Skins]

The Eagles are the new Redskins. They are trying to buy a championship, and I will laugh if they fail.

[Goskinz0721]

The Eagles are going for bust it seems. Reid seems to need to get it done this year or next. The Redskins on the other hand, for the first time since the '80's are beginning to build a team from the ground up. Both teams are probably doing what's right for the development at this stage of the game.

We'll see how it plays out.

Is this the last year of Reid's contract?

[addicted]

"dominating"
Like I told my Eagles boss yesterday, load the boat and go all in
It won't work out for them, just like it didn't work out for us
They do make suckers out of the rest of the league with the trades they pull off

But this leagues becoming like other sports
Individual players want to play for a winning team and the more attractive to winning that a team can show the easier it will be to sign players
To the winners go the spoils
Players take paycuts to go to the PATS, Steelers, Eagles
And demand more money to go here

Not sure what to make of the Eagles but they did some nice things here and had some nice breaks on contracts
I still don't think they are good enough to win it all though and in the end when the dust settles they aren't holding the trophy this year

[Burgold]

Not sure, but he's been in Philly a looooong time. They might be getting that Schottenheimer feeling about him. There comes a point where a very good head coach who is always the bridesmaid loses the fanbase. They start grumbling and hating the guy who keeps making them the runner up. In many respects, it's why McNabb was hated and eventually run out of town and why quite a few very good football coaches come to be known as losers even though they've consistantly brought forward the 2nd-4th best team every year.

I suspect his leash is getting short and they'll miss him a lot after he's gone. What Gruden did for the Bucs is rare. He took someone else's team and finished the job. Almost never happens.

Philly's an interesting situation. The coach and players seem all right to me for the most part. The rivalry and the dislike for that team really stems from the fans being total creeps and jerks and worse.

[skins island connection]

The games still have to be played, bottom line. Any playwer can be injured and it can change the entire outcome; one never knows who or when.
When you play with kids, you play to their level; when you play with potential all-pros, you tend to try and play to their level. It could be the best thing that happens to the Skins, and being they didn't throw Chase Bank at any free agents, maybe they're starting to grasp that you cannot buy a championship.
I doubt we will be the surprise team this year, even though it would be nice, but the days of players laying on the field and swinging gate are over with, and its time to be a respectable team, and play like one...

[Santana_89]

I have no concern at all about what philly is doing everything looks nice on paper but very rarely do super teams/ dream teams work out as expected. What I am certain of is that we are FINALLY on the right track and in a year or two we should be playoff contenders.

[heliKCx17]

More thoughts on Philly and the Skins: WTFP.com: Free Agency winners & Losers! Best & worst moves & a list of top remaining FAs. http://bit.ly/ncZvWR

[gbear]

It would seem a season destined for a lot of FA movement with the new salary cap structure in place and a lot of players who were given one year deals last year because teams could prevent FA for more players under the rules regarding the last year of the ol CBA. I can't help but wonder if it's not a trap to set up false hopes for the fans of teams who go out and sign a lot of good to great players expecting a championship now.

First there is the problem of no off season workouts and a shortened training camp. Then there are the reduced number of practices in training camp, and finally there are only 14 practices in pads allowed once the regular season starts.

When I look at units who have been superb year after year, I think of units like Mannings lines and even the Giants lines. These are units who have played together for years. There is something about just knowing how the person next to you handles assignments allowing you to move in synch without the momentary adjustments. So much in the NFL is about time and space. Knowing the assignments because you've played in the system for years and playing in synch with the person next you creates the time and space which seem the difference at the NFL level.

As I see so much movement with reduced practice times, I wonder how effective most of these guys, even the ones with fantastic skills, can be expected to play this season.

[Aireskoi]

The high expectations are going to be the problem in Philly this year. You don't make moves like that and then not go deep in the playoffs.

The pressure of the high expectations played a large part in the great season Dallas had last year, and I think it will do the same here. The Eagles will have a target on their backs because of all this talent and the big money players.

[SWFLSkins]

You can't buy a Super Bowl?

[Chump Bailey]

I hate the Eagles as much as anyone, but do respect the moves they've made. They also IMO draft smart. They have a solid foundation in place. The question marks IMO are WR to an extent because of Macklin's illness. They did sign Johnny Lee Higgins though. They're question marks at the OT position. I think they have good depth in the interior. Maybe some concerns as far as LB and to a much lesser extent S goes, but their draft added some good looking prospects at those positions. I just think now is their time. I personally would have gone after DeAngelo Williams and not Asomugha. I would have rolled with Rodgers-Cromartie and Samuel. They lost Brandon Graham for most of the season, which stings, but their DL depth is about as good as it gets IMO.

I don't get some of the analysts comments about us though. Mike and Mike pretty much said we did nothing and I don't understand that at all. I think we've made some good strides. We'll sort out the QB position in the near future I think. I'm optimistic about our future, but the Eagles will likely make the most noise this season.

[D-Day]

Philly is definitely going for it this year. This is the no excuse time for Andy Reid. If he doesn't win a SB then I would move to Arizona if I was him.

They have a strong core, but I am interested to see if the new secondary gells in this shortened offseason.

As to the skins,

A roster with at least 50% (about 70% amoung D starters) turnover, no clear cut QB, in a shortened offseason with no OTA's and a shortened training camp = My expectations are low.

[Veretax]

It's going to be fun to pound philly twice this year. Nothing would make me happier, except maybe running up 60 on Dallas at Dallas ;)

[authentic]

and the Eagles' D-Coordinator has never been a D-Coordinator in the NFL before.

Not only he never called Defense in the NFL, he NEVER called Defense before. This will be an interestin thing to look at this year. Otherwise, I'm not sure we should be remorseful of anything this offseason. We finally had a successful draft, addressed the Dline in FA, addressed the intereior Oline by adding Chester, and cutting Rabach, we bolstered the WR corp which was a weakness, we also got a playmaking FS with OJ Atogwe. The only problem we may have at this point is @ QB. But if we can protect them Beck or Grossman, then plays will be made.

[Crazy Levi]

so..i'm feeling like the eagles are making moves(and trades) like the successful pats and recent steelers teams. it seems like every move the eagles make is a very smart and productive one(trade advantages). Am I wrong in thinking the Eagles FO is just dominating or are we also keeping with what we need to do for now?

The Eagles are in a position to "make a move" due to YEARS of quality front office management. They have tons of draft picks and a great core team.

The Eagles are doing what is right for them. The Redskins - for the first time in maybe 20 years - are also doing what is right for them. At this point, we are NOT competing with the Eagles, we are competing with ourselves and our history of refusing to accept that the team needs a solid, ground up rebuild.

It boggles the mind that I am 36 years old and I cannot remember the last time the Skins had a true "rebuilding year."

[RSimports]

Had we made the moves the eagles made we would be criticized for being the same old redskins as past years. However, since someone else made they moves they are awesome and will be unstoppable. I love the moves we made, it seems for once we are thinking about the future and not just the present. I do see us having a bad year record wise but the games still have to be played!

[sportjunkie07]

i agree to a point OP. the eagles have been very patriotesque when it comes to aquiring draft picks over the last couple years. they are buying the top free agents though, which the steelers and patriots dont do cuz they really dont need to.

the big difference between the eagles and those teams is in player developement, where the pats and steelers have them beat by quite a bit.

will their moves payoff? maybe, they are all pretty good signings, but the team does have some standout weaknesses that can be exploited.

i think we might lose by a bit the first game, but suprise them on the second one.

[lookoutblock]

It's going to be great when Philadelphia doesn't win the Super Bowl. And those are the kind of expectations they're building right now: Super Bowl or major disappointment. Let them have the spotlight. I'll be happy if we continuing flying under the radar and make the playoffs.

[Crazy Levi]

Had we made the moves the eagles made we would be criticized for being the same old redskins as past years. However, since someone else made they moves they are awesome and will be unstoppable.

This is completely unfair.

These moves makes sense for the Eagles. They wouldn't have made sense for us.

It's not some media conspiracy. The Eagles are in a position to go "all-in," and we aren't.

[In The Barrel]

In the past we were the offseason champs. And what did that get us?
So this year Philly will be. Lets see if they play like a team though.

This keeps coming up and I think it is really a completely different situation. The Skins teams that went for broke in FA were not just a player or 2 away from getting over the hump, the Eagles were or are. Again - these moves do not in any way secure anything but the likelyhood that they will have a talented front 3 or 4 when playing in Washburns 9 front pass rush happy sets and a very good secondary which is why they lost some important games. GB is still teh best team in the NFC, but without thee moves Philly would have a less of a chance of getting deep in the playoffs or with HFA.

The Skins tried to BUY a good team. Philly already had a good team and wanted to get better where they felt they needed experience and depth. Could it work out - who knows? Injuries, team chemistry and luck come into play everry year. What these moves do are place the in the drivers seat in the NFCE and sets them up for a good 2 year window with Vick and the O and an up and coming D. Will they be favorites against the Skins - YES ( mainly because you have an inexperienced QB and no-name RBs and WRs ( other than Tana) Could the Skins beat them - YES - just like last year when Vick got hurt.

I am optimistic but have been an Eagles fan since 1978 - so I don't get cocky about anything other than my Fantasy Football team...

[HailfrmDEN]

Vick hurt in the first week would destroy them. I know they have Vince but he is no Vick right now. Their defense was horrible last year. Ours was worse, but eagles D needed work.

[onedrop]

sounds to me like you made a post that had nothing to do with the Redskins and really belongs in ATN, added "and the Skins" to the title so you could post in the stadium. F the eagles, reid, vick, and especially their fans.

[Gurgeh]

I think the problem for the Eagles will be the health of Vick. He's going to have to run less and throw more, or he is unlikely to make it through the season. As a result I'm not sold that he'll be as good this year as last, especially as teams are forewarned, but we'll have to wait and see. They've definitely improved a strong squad, but for my money the Packers are a lot more scary - just look at the players they have returning who didn't play for most or all of last year due to injury, never mind the set that have returned *edit* from winning the SB.

[SkinsTribeVA]

I'm not even sure what you're asking here lol :ols:...

But I will say this: The Broncos under Shanahan were supposed to be yearly SB contenders after they traded for Champ Bailey...didn't quite work out that way, huh lol...and the Eagles' D-Coordinator has never been a D-Coordinator in the NFL before.

But I don't think those Broncos were ALREADY considered SB contenders the way these Eagles were after last season.

[Redskindon2]

If Redskins are building from the ground up then why for the 3rd year in a row is there no real difference in our bad offensive line....it's starting to really suck that no one is investing anything in the O-Line...come now...what are you waiting for??....build it up already!!!!!....new receivers are not going to catch anything until O-Line can protect the QB....

[gbear]

Redskindon2, I hope this was sarcasm.

From our OL 3 years ago, who is still here? We have completely remade the OL.

[Jonathan]

I think it's great that Philadelphia is getting a lot stronger. What helped the Redskins win three Super Bowls, five NFC Championships and many division titles was the strength of the Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, and once upon a time, the Cardinals.

Playing strong teams in your own division twice a year raises your game and then suddenly playing a team like the 1986 Bears on the road in the playoffs with six days rest seems more like just another game.

[AllBusiness]

Orakpo is going to 'happen' to Philly. DEN WHUT?!?!?

HAIL!

[pjfootballer]

Please! Our offense should be better than last year and our defense definitely is better. What got worse in the off season with our Offense? Only thing might be the QB play, but if Beck works (not sure there), or if Rexxy signs and ends up starting I don't see it as a problem.

We have a better OL. We have a better Running Squad. Receivers should be better.

I don't get the negativity.

The Iggles had a successful off season like the Pats or Steelers? When was the last time they picked up a big name for big bucks?

I think they may have just had a off season like the skins of old. How long were we champs of the off season?

I think we had a very good off season from the draft to the FA pickups. The Chicken Little attitude should wait until we actually see them play. Don't anoint the Iggles champs already.

Seriously I agree. I'm so tired of seeing thread after thread about how great the godamn Beagles are. No one has been able to tell me player by player on their roster why they think they are the NFC favorites. They pick up a DE (30 and always injured) DE (31 and has 1 good sack year), CB (arguably their best signing) CB (DRC- soft) and a couple of backup players at TE (Lee couldn't start in GB), QB (Bi-Polar) and a rookie to take over at Punter and Kicker (Atlanta's Keonen tried it and failed and he wasn't rookie) all of a sudden they are world beaters.

I'm not buying it and I'm really getting tired of the defeatest attitude towars Philly by our own Redskin fans. One fluky 59 point game doesn't mean we'll get demolished every time we play them. Grow a pair.

[paloosa]

Don't really think that they are doing everything right but they picked up some pretty good guys. Nmadi is 30 and so is Jenkins so the question is are they going to stay healthy enough to make a difference? Is Vince Young going to be a difference maker this year? So really think about what they added and is it enough to make that big of a difference? We changed our philosolophy like the Steelers and other successful teams. So why change back to what didn't work and what Philly is doing now?

[pjfootballer]

I hate the Eagles as much as anyone, but do respect the moves they've made. They also IMO draft smart. They have a solid foundation in place. The question marks IMO are WR to an extent because of Macklin's illness. They did sign Johnny Lee Higgins though. They're question marks at the OT position. I think they have good depth in the interior. Maybe some concerns as far as LB and to a much lesser extent S goes, but their draft added some good looking prospects at those positions. I just think now is their time. I personally would have gone after DeAngelo Williams and not Asomugha. I would have rolled with Rodgers-Cromartie and Samuel. They lost Brandon Graham for most of the season, which stings, but their DL depth is about as good as it gets IMO.

I don't get some of the analysts comments about us though. Mike and Mike pretty much said we did nothing and I don't understand that at all. I think we've made some good strides. We'll sort out the QB position in the near future I think. I'm optimistic about our future, but the Eagles will likely make the most noise this season.

Higgins has been a glorified punt returner. I'm still not sure they have a "big" WR to go get the ball when their smaller WRs are pressed like we did to them in the 1st game.

All the media has been basing our offseason on is our failure to get a bonafide starting QB. They aren't seeing the big picture for the long haul. In other words, they're asshats.

---------- Post added August-2nd-2011 at 12:04 PM ----------


The Eagles are in a position to "make a move" due to YEARS of quality front office management. They have tons of draft picks and a great core team.

The Eagles are doing what is right for them. The Redskins - for the first time in maybe 20 years - are also doing what is right for them. At this point, we are NOT competing with the Eagles, we are competing with ourselves and our history of refusing to accept that the team needs a solid, ground up rebuild.

It boggles the mind that I am 36 years old and I cannot remember the last time the Skins had a true "rebuilding year."

1980 or 1994

---------- Post added August-2nd-2011 at 12:06 PM ----------


This keeps coming up and I think it is really a completely different situation. The Skins teams that went for broke in FA were not just a player or 2 away from getting over the hump, the Eagles were or are.

Actually our 1999 team had just come off a division title and playoff win in the first round. We went all in with George, Bruce, Carrier and Deion.

[Skins4life88]

I don't think our defense will allow that to happen. That was a one time thing for Philly.

[Sandman69]

But I don't think those Broncos were ALREADY considered SB contenders the way these Eagles were after last season.

They were in the playoffs the year prior to signing Bailey, and made it back the year he joined and to the Championship game the second season he was there. They may not have been SB bound prior, but they were definitely up and coming until that championship appearance. heh.

[sportjunkie07]

If Redskins are building from the ground up then why for the 3rd year in a row is there no real difference in our bad offensive line....it's starting to really suck that no one is investing anything in the O-Line...come now...what are you waiting for??....build it up already!!!!!....new receivers are not going to catch anything until O-Line can protect the QB....

a highly touted left tackle was the first draft pick shanny ever made with the skins. last years draft class was kinda weak on olineman, and we started with very few picks. the change in defense meant we needed to spend picks there last year.

shanny has done what he could so far with olineman.. almost every position needed an upgrade when he took over, and you cant do that with the small amount of picks we had in the past two drafts. the d is shaping up, we should be alright at wide receiver, next year free agency/draft will have an emphasis on qb and lineman.

[Gurgeh]

a highly touted left tackle was the first draft pick shanny ever made with the skins. last years draft class was kinda weak on olineman, and we started with very few picks. the change in defense meant we needed to spend picks there last year.

shanny has done what he could so far with olineman.. almost every position needed an upgrade when he took over, and you cant do that with the small amount of picks we had in the past two drafts. the d is shaping up, we should be alright at wide receiver, next year free agency/draft will have an emphasis on qb and lineman.

I didn't see much worth getting other than Yanda who didn't want to come although I would have liked more OL drafted this year. There is value in not changing things too much on the OL where familiarity can make up for individual shortcomings. There's no getting away from our persistent lack of depth, however; one injury to Williams or Brown and we're going to struggle.

[armada58]

As I said to my brother-in-law yesterday.......

"Looks like they're really going to for it and throwing caution to the wind for the first time in Andy Reid's career. Congrats on winning the Offseason Championship!! NOW, as a die-hard Redskins Fan, let me tell you a little secret about winning the Offseason Championship....... IT NEVER WORKS!!"

[sportjunkie07]

I didn't see much worth getting other than Yanda who didn't want to come although I would have liked more OL drafted this year. There is value in not changing things too much on the OL where familiarity can make up for individual shortcomings. There's no getting away from our persistent lack of depth, however; one injury to Williams or Brown and we're going to struggle.

i do think the line improved. losing rabach is an improvement by itself. with everyone healthy, i think our oline will be average, but there is some potential for it to be pretty good. one or two injuries though, and we are toast. we'll be relying on capers and heyer (has he resigned with us?).

[RSimports]

This is completely unfair.

These moves makes sense for the Eagles. They wouldn't have made sense for us.

It's not some media conspiracy. The Eagles are in a position to go "all-in," and we aren't.

So we didn't need a CB to replace Rogers, defensive end help, and some sort of QB competition? Correct me if I'm wrong but we actually picked up at least 1 of each of these in free agency.

[Santana_89]

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[bedlamVR]

Seriously I agree. I'm so tired of seeing thread after thread about how great the godamn Beagles are. No one has been able to tell me player by player on their roster why they think they are the NFC favorites. They pick up a DE (30 and always injured) DE (31 and has 1 good sack year), CB (arguably their best signing) CB (DRC- soft) and a couple of backup players at TE (Lee couldn't start in GB), QB (Bi-Polar) and a rookie to take over at Punter and Kicker (Atlanta's Keonen tried it and failed and he wasn't rookie) all of a sudden they are world beaters.

I'm not buying it and I'm really getting tired of the defeatest attitude towars Philly by our own Redskin fans. One fluky 59 point game doesn't mean we'll get demolished every time we play them. Grow a pair.

I totally agree with you - I see a couple of their moves make them better - but this is not the 2004 Eagles I think they have gone FA crazy - They picked up Babin for $28 million - Babin has been knocking around the league for a long while and has been a disappointment untill last year . Hell he has been through the Eagles once already...

They have Nmandi and DRC and Samuel and that is a lot of money just sitting there - It looks like a CB dream team but Samuel is more of a zone guy and the two starters are press man guys - seems a little of a missmatch - and I am really of the mindset that CBs are not game changers -

Cullen Jenkins - I would have liked him here - but he is really a 3-4 situational pass rusher - can he work as a gap shooting DT ? Can he stay healthy to be a full time starter ? Howard is coming off an injury and was something of a disappointment when you compare him with JPP the giants took 2 picks later .

Lee and Brown and Harris and Young I am kind of ho hum about - they don't really seem to fit the rest of the roster, but add quality depth and I am sure one or more of them will be useful but signing a bunch of depth players kind of goes away from the idea they draft and manage their team well .

I know there is a lot of people wanting to crown them champs - and it could work out for them - but I really think they have spent a lot of money to spin their wheels - Even with all these moves I would still put the Packers as a better team, and I would still say the AFC is stronger at the top the Pats for example still look stronger .... but interestingly I see that with all these moves the Eagles have painted a massive target on themselves and taken the pressure down a notch for the Packers ...

[Chump Bailey]

but interestingly I see that with all these moves the Eagles have painted a massive target on themselves and taken the pressure down a notch for the Packers ...

I still like the Pack to take the conference and repeat. Atlanta will have something to say and so will New Orleans. The Eagles are not going to walk away with anything. The Pack should have gone after DeAngelo Williams.

Ty Warren signs with the Broncos. Their front seven is looking good.

[pointyfootball]

I totally agree with you - I see a couple of their moves make them better - but this is not the 2004 Eagles I think they have gone FA crazy - They picked up Babin for $28 million - Babin has been knocking around the league for a long while and has been a disappointment untill last year . Hell he has been through the Eagles once already...

They have Nmandi and DRC and Samuel and that is a lot of money just sitting there - It looks like a CB dream team but Samuel is more of a zone guy and the two starters are press man guys - seems a little of a missmatch - and I am really of the mindset that CBs are not game changers -

Cullen Jenkins - I would have liked him here - but he is really a 3-4 situational pass rusher - can he work as a gap shooting DT ? Can he stay healthy to be a full time starter ? Howard is coming off an injury and was something of a disappointment when you compare him with JPP the giants took 2 picks later .

Lee and Brown and Harris and Young I am kind of ho hum about - they don't really seem to fit the rest of the roster, but add quality depth and I am sure one or more of them will be useful but signing a bunch of depth players kind of goes away from the idea they draft and manage their team well .

I know there is a lot of people wanting to crown them champs - and it could work out for them - but I really think they have spent a lot of money to spin their wheels - Even with all these moves I would still put the Packers as a better team, and I would still say the AFC is stronger at the top the Pats for example still look stronger .... but interestingly I see that with all these moves the Eagles have painted a massive target on themselves and taken the pressure down a notch for the Packers ...

Eagle fan here, and I'm not one that thinks they're going to dominate. MV's playing style, right side of OL, brand new DC, kicking game and LBs/S position are all areas of concern STILL. And there is the AR struggles in playoff games. However, I've had to laugh at people now criticizing the Eagles that used to give them grief for dumping players and being cheap. They traded a player that wanted out, received a high pick and a starter at CB. After doing so they picked up a "proven" replacement to fill in at backup QB. I'm not a fan of VY (as a person or a player), but with what was available talent-wise, he was incredible value.

Beside the trade for 2nd pick & DRC, I think there are only 4 other players (Babin, Jenkins, NA, and maybe Harris) that are going to significantly contribute to the team. Babin/Jenkins were brought in due to Graham's injury; NA/DRC were the most required due to their abysmal pass defense last year; and Harris is in Philly due to Justice's injury as well.

VY, Ronnie Brown and others are backups/role players and no big deal IMO.

PF

[benskins26]

Mike and mike just said that players are now taking less money to sign with Eagles, I.e. Ronnie brown. I don't remember that ever happening for the skins? Lol

[onedrop]

Eagle fan here, and I'm not one that thinks they're going to dominate. MV's playing style, right side of OL, brand new DC, kicking game and LBs/S position are all areas of concern STILL. And there is the AR struggles in playoff games. However, I've had to laugh at people now criticizing the Eagles that used to give them grief for dumping players and being cheap. They traded a player that wanted out, received a high pick and a starter at CB. After doing so they picked up a "proven" replacement to fill in at backup QB. I'm not a fan of VY (as a person or a player), but with what was available talent-wise, he was incredible value.

Beside the trade for 2nd pick & DRC, I think there are only 4 other players (Babin, Jenkins, NA, and maybe Harris) that are going to significantly contribute to the team. Babin/Jenkins were brought in due to Graham's injury; NA/DRC were the most required due to their abysmal pass defense last year; and Harris is in Philly due to Justice's injury as well.

VY, Ronnie Brown and others are backups/role players and no big deal IMO.

PF

thats a fair assessment in my book. i really believe that your squad is giving a final push for the lombardi with reid and the core they had. does it feel like an "all in", "all or nothing" situation to you as an eagles fan?

[DMVSkins]

What happened the last time we played the eagles, O that's right Vick went off for 6 TD's and the Eagles had like 600 Yards of offense, while I hope our D is better I don't see our offense which as the Washington Post put it "has no proven stars on it" matching the Eagles D. Its like the Eagles front office took a page from Dan Snyder on free agency except they have a good coach that will make it work unlike here where our front office (use to) think you can motivate players by giving them huge contracts. When do you think you will hear a player or free agent say they will take less money just so they can be apart of the Redskins.

[pointyfootball]

thats a fair assessment in my book. i really believe that your squad is giving a final push for the lombardi with reid and the core they had. does it feel like an "all in", "all or nothing" situation to you as an eagles fan?

It does feel like they are "all in". Not sure if it's because they think that Vick will only be able to play 1-2 years at the level he played last year and they recognized that they were really close to being able to beat the Pack in the playoffs, or maybe it's just that they have a ton of cap room and are getting lucky with being able land players that fill holes with that cap room. Should be noted that they are having to make these pick-ups due to some high-level picks not working out as they thought they would (Bunkley, Andrews, Abiamiri, Graham).

I think they are going to trade Samuel, although no idea if they're going to try and land a LB or just draft pick(s).

[Butz65]

Living in Philly I've grown to hate the Birds but respect the moves they've made this offseason. They will be difficult to pass against although they'll continue to struggle against the run. The Eagles don't value linebackers which makes them somewhat soft in the middle. I think they will be the team to beat in the division and believe the Skins will end up in last place. Kind of depressing but hopefully the Skins are headed in the right direction. I've told my Eagles fans friends not to open the bubbly too soon. Even with the moves they've made I don't see them beating the Packers or Saints. They're definitely not as good as the Patriots, Jets or Chargers. I'm reduced for rooting against them winning a Superbowl instead of hope for the Skins. Perhaps that will begin to change again.

[pjfootballer]

Mike and mike just said that players are now taking less money to sign with Eagles, I.e. Ronnie brown. I don't remember that ever happening for the skins? Lol

Brown has to take what he could get. There wasn't another team exactly kicking his door down to sign him.

---------- Post added August-3rd-2011 at 01:55 PM ----------


What happened the last time we played the eagles, O that's right Vick went off for 6 TD's and the Eagles had like 600 Yards of offense, while I hope our D is better I don't see our offense which as the Washington Post put it "has no proven stars on it" matching the Eagles D. Its like the Eagles front office took a page from Dan Snyder on free agency except they have a good coach that will make it work unlike here where our front office (use to) think you can motivate players by giving them huge contracts. When do you think you will hear a player or free agent say they will take less money just so they can be apart of the Redskins.

We scored 28 points in that debacle. Do you really think the Eagles are that good or we're that bad that they can hang a 50 spot on us every time? This is the NFL man. There's alot of parity. I wish you guys would stop bringing up that "one" damn flukey game. 59-28 doesn't happen every week. We beat them 17-12 the first time around.

[pointyfootball]

We scored 28 points in that debacle. Do you really think the Eagles are that good or we're that bad that they can hang a 50 spot on us every time? This is the NFL man. There's alot of parity. I wish you guys would stop bringing up that "one" damn flukey game. 59-28 doesn't happen every week. We beat them 17-12 the first time around.

I agree, that 17-12 game was flukey. :)

[Skinsfan4life83]

I am thinking the games are going to be like the November slaughter from last year. Even worse, since the Skins have a high school grade offense, at best.

The D may be better and hold them to only 45 pts instead of 59, though. Thats a start.

The Offense is much better than it was last year and the defense should follow suit as well. Either you are just very negative or have no idea what you are talking about. I'M gonna be optimistic and go with negativity:)

[PleaseGoForTheWin]

Right now, Philly is a better team than the Skins and is probably the favorite to win the NFC East. I still don't buy them as champs, though, as long as Andy Reid is their coach. He knows how to win in the regular season but can't get it done in the playoffs. I also think that Vick's health will be a concern. We saw it last year, and I think we'll see it again: teams are going to target him to slow him down.

[pjfootballer]

I agree, that 17-12 game was flukey. :)

Yeah it should have been 27-6.:):D

[ciresolstice]

Man you guys just hope the Eagles will be bad or like the Skins of old... last time I checked the players they got while high priced are young and beyond talented..not exactly in the Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier and Deion Sanders, Adam Archuletta mold lol. I'm not sealing our doom but they are already good and improved a lot.

[SkinFaninOKC]

It seems that everyone is coming together to try and win one for Michael Vick. I've heard more than one analyst say people want to play with him, idolized him, wanted to be like him. That's nice and all if all those signing are going all in with pocket aces but even that can be a losing hand. This isn't like the Pats of 2007 once they finished the regular season 16-0 and realized it was Super Bowl win or bust. That's what it is now for the Eagles, win the whole thing or it's a failure.

[Spooky]

The Eagles are a house of cards. Their first problem is Vick needs to stay healthy. They are not winning with Vince Young and mobile QB's are usually beat up by December.

The second problem is "drama" is slowly creeping into their locker room. They have guys not reporting and wanting out of town. Training camp just started and with all of the egos in one locker room and the Philly media being what it is, there will be issues. The expectation level is unreasonbly high an contention will set in. I bet this thing comes apart on them.

Their biggest problem is they have a a new defensive coordinator who spent the last decade and a half as an offensive line coach. Now this guy is going to game plan and call the defense? Are you kidding me? I am not worried. This is not the late Jimmy Johnson's defense. In fact, I am going out on limb and declare the Eagles D will be under achievers this year and they will have a new Defensive coordinator in 2012.

[McD5]

Get ready for another ass-beating. That's okay. We're growing.

[ConnSKINS26]

I mean, they've picked up some great defensive pieces, but their DC is still their old OL position coach. Tough to say how he'll actually utilize all that talent.

[Skinzfever2010]

Ahh The homers lol

I'll make it short and sweet guys. We're getting our asses kicked.

[Hitman21ST]

The second problem is "drama" is slowly creeping into their locker room. They have guys not reporting and wanting out of town. Training camp just started and with all of the egos in one locker room and the Philly media being what it is, there will be issues. The expectation level is unreasonbly high an contention will set in. I bet this thing comes apart on them.


It's only a matter of time before DJax (wasn't he "supposed" to have reported by now? :evil:) and McCoy start wanting their payday. With everyone the Eagles have signed, it's going to be a near impossibility now for all their playmakers to cash in.

[ConnSKINS26]

Ahh The homers lol

I'll make it short and sweet guys. We're getting our asses kicked.

Anything can happen. We split with them last year, and Vick won't get MORE durable as he ages.

Your smug attitude, as if you're the only realist in a room full of delusional homers, isn't endearing, I'll say that.

[kubstix]

Love the bashing of the Eagles. I hate the Eagles the most in our division. The only difference between old us and them......they are actually good before all of this. We thought we were 10 FA's away from a superbowl, they are actually 1-2 FA's away. You guys are crazy if you don't think the Eagles are going to finish somewhere in the realm of 14-2. They're team is hot damn ridiculous. The only domino affect to that season is if Vick goes down. I hope so, but I won't count on it.

[Hitman21ST]

The only domino affect to that season is if Vick goes down. I hope so, but I won't count on it.

Vick's only played all 16 games once in his career. It's just about a sure thing he goes down for at least two or three games this season.

As soon as something starts going wrong, fingers are going to start pointing and that locker room is going to split like a fat kid at an Atkins convention.

[cneil4]

45544

This attachment might be a little harsh but I have never been a huge fan. There house has never been in order and that is why they couldn't bring home the championship. Eagles might have depth now but the egos will keep them from winning in the playoffs!

[pjfootballer]

Ahh The homers lol

I'll make it short and sweet guys. We're getting our asses kicked.

So you must be one of the gloom and doomers? Yeah, like everytime they've played us in the last 6 years they've beaten us 59-28. One fluke game dude, one fluke game.


Love the bashing of the Eagles. I hate the Eagles the most in our division. The only difference between old us and them......they are actually good before all of this. We thought we were 10 FA's away from a superbowl, they are actually 1-2 FA's away. You guys are crazy if you don't think the Eagles are going to finish somewhere in the realm of 14-2. They're team is hot damn ridiculous. The only domino affect to that season is if Vick goes down. I hope so, but I won't count on it.

I'm still waiting for someone to break down their roster for me, player by player as to why they are the clear cut, 14-2, asskicking, world beaters. Because it's not true.

[kubstix]

I'm still waiting for someone to break down their roster for me, player by player as to why they are the clear cut, 14-2, asskicking, world beaters. Because it's not true.

Hahaha, yeah your right. The Eagles are terrible and will probably only win 4 games this year. Put the homer glasses down man. They are a 10-6 team with LOTS of injuries last year. I guess you seem to believe they got worse this year huh?

[Renegade7]

Philly will be a better team then last year, but if they waste Ronnie Brown and McCoy by continuing to throw the ball outrageously more then they run, they won't win it all. Eagles are still a pass first team, plus the weakness of their defense has shift to the interior of their back-7 defense. They'll have a rookie middle linebacker and teams will be forced to attack their safeties then mess with their corners, whom wasn't their strength last year either.

Same as last year and any dream team, punch them in the mouth and don't allow big plays. Green Bay has 8 starters coming back and Atlanta was the #1 seed last year for a reason. And our team has improved considerably on defense and will be going into 2011 having Rex in year 3 with this offense. Don't fall for the Mothership Hype Machine, because Philly still has to deal with a Jason Garrett lead Dallas which was finally playing like a solid football team ending last year.

Another finesse Eagles team could definetly find itself grinded up by the division before they even get to January, forget February.

[Rpredskins]

the eagles are better than us because of what they did the past 5+ years, not what they did in the last week.
Their loading up on big FAs might work because they already had a good team to begin with. It doesnt work when your team is crappy and youre trying to build that way. You cant compare the eagles and redskins offseasons because both teams are at drastically different points.

[Skinsfan4life83]

They still have to prove it on the field.

[pjfootballer]

Hahaha, yeah your right. The Eagles are terrible and will probably only win 4 games this year. Put the homer glasses down man. They are a 10-6 team with LOTS of injuries last year. I guess you seem to believe they got worse this year huh?

I Never said they'd be worse or are terrible. I never said we'd be better. All I said was, show me why everyone is annointing them the SB champs based on their roster. I doubt they go 14-2. I could see 11-5, 12-4. Everyone seems to be shaking in their boots over a team because they added Nnamdi. He's one guy. All their other moves are marginal (Babin, Jenkins, Higgins, R. Brown,VY, Donald Lee).

[kubstix]

I Never said they'd be worse or are terrible. I never said we'd be better. All I said was, show me why everyone is annointing them the SB champs based on their roster. I doubt they go 14-2. I could see 11-5, 12-4. Everyone seems to be shaking in their boots over a team because they added Nnamdi. He's one guy. All their other moves are marginal (Babin, Jenkins, Higgins, R. Brown,VY, Donald Lee).

Marginal moves? Teams make marginal moves (patriots/eagles/falcons/steelers/jets) because they are 1-2 players away from dominance. If the Eagles beat the Packers last year they would have moved on and stomped the Bears most likely. Because of where I live, I follow the Eagles much more closely than you do. They lost games because of a weak secondary. They added Nnamdi and DRC which you forget as well. Now there CB tandem is looking like DRC, Nnamdi, and Samuels. They took there weakest point in the last 5 years and instantly upgraded to an A+ in the secondary category.

[pjfootballer]

Marginal moves? Teams make marginal moves (patriots/eagles/falcons/steelers/jets) because they are 1-2 players away from dominance. If the Eagles beat the Packers last year they would have moved on and stomped the Bears most likely. Because of where I live, I follow the Eagles much more closely than you do. They lost games because of a weak secondary. They added Nnamdi and DRC which you forget as well. Now there CB tandem is looking like DRC, Nnamdi, and Samuels. They took there weakest point in the last 5 years and instantly upgraded to an A+ in the secondary category.

So because you live near Philly, you instantly know more than I do? Gotcha. Philly's weakness hasn't been their CBs. Most of their weaknesses have been right up the middle. They've had bad DTs, bad MLBers and marginal if not terrible safetys. They just made CB even better than it was. If you had read my post properly, you would have noticed I "did" mention Nnamdi. I'll admit I left out DRC, but he's a soft CB. That's why he was expendable by the Cards for Kolb and by drafting Patrick Peterson. Again, how is a 10-6 team 1-2 players away from dominance? Everyone is making assumptions about how their roster will do as it looks on paper. Nobody has explained to me how they are going to be so dominant. I'm stil waiting.

[kubstix]

So because you live near Philly, you instantly know more than I do? Gotcha. Philly's weakness hasn't been their CBs. Most of their weaknesses have been right up the middle. They've had bad DTs, bad MLBers and marginal if not terrible safetys. They just made CB even better than it was. If you had read my post properly, you would have noticed I "did" mention Nnamdi. I'll admit I left out DRC, but he's a soft CB. That's why he was expendable by the Cards for Kolb and by drafting Patrick Peterson. Again, how is a 10-6 team 1-2 players away from dominance? Everyone is making assumptions about how their roster will do as it looks on paper. Nobody has explained to me how they are going to be so dominant. I'm stil waiting.

Your right man, CB play by Philly has been the best in the NFL last year against Green Bay and during the NFCCG against Arizona. Fitzgerald's success, and Green Bay WR's did work against the Eagles DT's and LB's all game. Does that make sense? But your right.....Philly will probably win 4 games this year and finish last in the division. We are much better than Philly.

[pjfootballer]

Your right man, CB play by Philly has been the best in the NFL last year against Green Bay and during the NFCCG against Arizona. Fitzgerald's success, and Green Bay WR's did work against the Eagles DT's and LB's all game. Does that make sense? But your right.....Philly will probably win 4 games this year and finish last in the division. We are much better than Philly.

Ok, you're just twisting words to be right. I never said their CBs were the best in the NFL. They've been pretty solid through the years. Samuel is getting up there in age and I can see why they would go after Nnamdi and DRC.

More twisting of words: Where in the hell in ANY, ANY post did I say they would only win 4 games. You're just being an ass to be an ass. I said in previous posts they are a good team and would win between 10-12 games. But you have to have a juvenile attitude every time I respond to your posts. When you can stop acting like a 7 year old who stomps his foot when he doesn't get his way, let me know and I'll continue this debate. Otherwise, I'm done with the childish back and forth.

[kubstix]

Ok, you're just twisting words to be right. I never said their CBs were the best in the NFL. They've been pretty solid through the years. Samuel is getting up there in age and I can see why they would go after Nnamdi and DRC.

More twisting of words: Where in the hell in ANY, ANY post did I say they would only win 4 games. You're just being an ass to be an ass. I said in previous posts they are a good team and would win between 10-12 games. But you have to have a juvenile attitude every time I respond to your posts. When you can stop acting like a 7 year old who stomps his foot when he doesn't get his way, let me know and I'll continue this debate. Otherwise, I'm done with the childish back and forth.

Yeah i'm done with this convo. I think every single Philly fan you would ask what needed to be upgraded in the offseason, I'm sure would have told you the secondary. Philly has always played with a suspect group of LB's but they didn't need Patrick Willis' for the scheme. And weak DT's? I highly doubt Broderick Bunkley was considered a weak DT for Philly the last few years.

[pjfootballer]

And Bunkley was traded to Denver for a low pick.

Edit: meant Broncos, not Browns.

[SwampEm]

We split with them last year, and I think we are like 4-4 in the last 8 with them. I see another split. People get hurt in this league and sometimes FA signings don't always work out.

[Son of Gadsden]

i think we break vicks legs then Landry and Atogwe grab him by the arms and legs and repeatedly slam him on the ground until dead (or on IR at least)

[SwampEm]

i think we break vicks legs then Landry and Atogwe grab him by the arms and legs and repeatedly slam him on the ground until dead (or on IR at least)

It worked last year with his ribs. Last year was the only time we have won a game in which Vick even started. However we haven;t faced him that often. I am still going with a split this year.

[diehardskinpsoup]

To much talent in one huddle CAN be really good, or a total disaster. There is no doubt that we won't be passing much when we play them. Defensively I think we can match up with their Offense. As long as Hightower is starting, Helu improves fast enough to earn PT and Torrain can stop pretending his body is made of Peanut Brittle...we'll be fine.

[In The Barrel]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just saying

[Dallsux]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

You haven't been here long enough to know how we have been on this board from year to year. There has always been & always will an undying hatred for both the Cowboys & Eagles on this board. In fact, there have actually been poles taken as to who this board hates the most. It came up just about 50/50.


Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just saying

:blahblah: ...just saying.

---------- Post added August-5th-2011 at 02:20 PM ----------


It worked last year with his ribs. Last year was the only time we have won a game in which Vick even started. However we haven;t faced him that often. I am still going with a split this year.

Truth be told, I think we'll be lucky if we even sniff a win against them this year. They have made blockbuster deals to try to win it all this season, I doubt mercy will be left for us, especially knowing the hatred in this Division for one another. I could be wrong, HOPE I'm wrong, but I doubt we even go .500 in the Divison.

[SwampEm]

Let's face it. There hasn't been a better team on built on FA signings since the 2000 Redskins featuring Jeff George, Bruce Smith, and Prime Time. Let's hope they have the same good fortune that we did.

[Schizlor]

Thoughts?

We have 3, they have ZERO

[Old Dominion Monarch 06]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just saying

What gives this guy the impression that the people who post here really give two ****s about what he's got to say about them and the way they act on their *own* messageboard ... there's obviously a complex here

[pjfootballer]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just saying

Ok, here's the thing. We are rivals of the Eagles,Giants and Cowboys. Do you honestly think most of us would come into our own website and praise any of those three teams? It doesn't matter what anyone's record is or has been in the past. We're all 0-0 now and fans of all teams all over the NFL think this is "their" year. I'm not saying that's the case with us, but what's the use in rooting for your team if you go into a season thinking you don't have a chance to win? What's the use of watching the games if you think you're already going to lose?

If you're looking for praise, butt kissing or bowing down, you've come to the wrong place. I can admit like a man that we've been the "crap" team of the NFC East for 7 of the last 10 years. I can admit we're aren't that good right now. But you know what? I like that nobody on our rivals boards are talking about us. I like that they write us off. Because maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but one year, we're going to get it all together, then Redskin fans will have the last laugh.

And by the way, I wasn't going to bring up past SBs, because that's pretty lame, but since you DID, at least we "have" a SB win to remember.

[Brotherz]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just saying

I love how you pathetic eagles fans come out of the wood work every year talking your "gold standard crap" when you have NEVER won anything. Anything dude. You have NEVER rooted for a winner. Not once. A championship. Not one. You have the audacity to come into a Redskins forum and talk smack because you won an offseason? Seriously? How do you walk around with those balls man? When I see an eagles fan I see a guy who is a glutton for punishment. Who has never tasted it. Not once. You don't even know what you are chasing because you've never sat there and watched the confetti fall down as your city erupted while your coach and players hold that Lombardi.

I've seen it with my own eyes THREE times. You may get your day, I have no idea. If history is any indication though, the answer is you root for a team that regardless of the conditions (playing at home, playing in freezing weather against a team who can't win in the cold, playing the last game at your stadium (the one with the jail in it), playing the Cardinals. It doesn't matter. You can't do it. Your moves tihs season absolutely wreak of desparation. Because you guys are desparate. You've mortgaged everything on a 145 pound running QB who caught lightning in a bottle and proved beyond a doubt he can't last a whole season and when he does he chokes at home on the final driv just like the rest of your team and city. I don't care if you reincarnate Johny Unitas, you root for the damn eagles. Have some respect or go hang out in a fecals board where you can all stroke each other about how good you look again this year, on paper, and pretend you haven't been right here and better multiple times and always find a way to end up the world's most loveable losers.

Geez, in a Redskins board? Really? Go into a Bengals board dude. They have as many as you do. Not here. We have three of em! And we always will.

[SocratesDC]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just sayingWhen you're as bad as we are you have to do something to make yourself feel better. For these folks it's making fun of those who are better than us on the field and in the front office.

[NewCliche21]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just saying

Pretty pathetic that you signed up last month to try and talk some ****. You have some major balls doing that after a good season as opposed to when you (perpetually) fail to do anything but disappoint.

Oh, and remember, you lost to our team last year. You're no world-beaters.

As for the last part of your first paragraph: You're dead wrong. Cowboys are always our most-hated, but Eagles, and especially Eagles fans, are right there on their coattails.

[Oldfan]

so..i'm feeling like the eagles are making moves(and trades) like the successful pats and recent steelers teams. it seems like every move the eagles make is a very smart and productive one(trade advantages). Am I wrong in thinking the Eagles FO is just dominating or are we also keeping with what we need to do for now?Patriots, Steelers, Packers... probably the top three rosters at this time... none of the three teams would have signed Nnamdi or Cullen Jenkins.

[Hitman21ST]

When you're as bad as we are you have to do something to make yourself feel better. For these folks it's making fun of those who are better than us on the field and in the front office.

Really? You joined just to say that?

[RansomthePasserby]

It is funny how the ES board always attacks the team that is picked as the favorite in both the NFCE and also as a SB contender every year. Last year, when I first starting checking this board out there was MUCH Cowboy hate - more than usual I suspect, from what the Cowboy posters were saying. Last year Eagles were being laughed at on here - most ES posters were picking them last. 1 year later the Eagles are the team to pick on as overrated and destined to loss to everyone else that are contenders. While all the experts are seeing it a different way. Didnt work out for Cowboys, so maybe it wont happen for the Eagles ( who knows..) But cant wait if the G-Men win the NFCE and get to he SB this year - next year the hate on this board will be switched again.

Weird thing is on the Eagles board and Cowboys board I lurked on - no one really even talks about you guys... your officially the Raiders of the NFC. SB wins a long time ago, always rebuilding, always hoping the FA moves and draft picks will work out - yet usually cellar dwellers and trashing every other teams dreams on here. Haters gonna hate - but this has got to be some streak of changing which team you will pick as mediocre, while most other fans see them as top notch talent and have a shot... just saying

What're you smoking??? We're Skins fans. Of course we hate the Pukes and Iggles.

[TheShredder]

We split with them last year, and I think we are like 4-4 in the last 8 with them. I see another split. People get hurt in this league and sometimes FA signings don't always work out.

Have to agree here. We all know how FA's get paid and fall off a bit or can get hurt. Also seem to choose to sit when an injury that's not so bad happens and if it would have been a contract year they would have kept it to themselves or downplayed it.

Just as always, if it's not a blow out and lopsided too early, any team can beat any other team on Any Given Sunday.

[Mr_ Skinshead]

The only team in the NFL that is happier about the Eagles' moves than the Eagles is the Packers. The Eagles have painted a bullseye on themselves that is way larger than that of last year's SB champion.

[Redskindon2]

a highly touted left tackle was the first draft pick shanny ever made with the skins. last years draft class was kinda weak on olineman, and we started with very few picks. the change in defense meant we needed to spend picks there last year.

shanny has done what he could so far with olineman.. almost every position needed an upgrade when he took over, and you cant do that with the small amount of picks we had in the past two drafts. the d is shaping up, we should be alright at wide receiver, next year free agency/draft will have an emphasis on qb and lineman.

I do have to admit..although preseason don't really mean jack...they do look better....hopefully it carries to the regular season...defense seems to be jelling also...wish we had a QB...I'm not sold on Beck or Grossman...I think he's waiting for next year for a QB...if Beck plays well and gets us a wildcard Shanny will look like a genius...The Haynesworth saga was handled wrong on both sides...but I have to give Shanny his due...he stuck to his guns with Haynesworth even though it cost us a couple games....definitely the Colts game last year... we're see how this year plays out...but I'm scared to have optimism creep this year...I'd rather be pleasantly surprised but doubt I will be....hopefully I'm wrong....

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Pretty pathetic that you signed up last month to try and talk some ****. You have some major balls doing that after a good season as opposed to when you (perpetually) fail to do anything but disappoint.

Oh, and remember, you lost to our team last year. You're no world-beaters.

As for the last part of your first paragraph: You're dead wrong. Cowboys are always our most-hated, but Eagles, and especially Eagles fans, are right there on their coattails.

AMEN Brother...the cowboys are always the most hated...but the eagles get a close second...I remember when they interviewed Troy Aikman on fox one time about the NFCE Rivalries...he said "the NFCE is the only division where all 4 teams absolutely hate each other...no matter how good or bad the teams are they seem to always step it up against each other." usually true...oh and btw eagles fans...go ahead and call us the oakland raiders of the NFC...last time I checked..we had 3 superbowl trophies at our stadium and you have 0......better get one this year or its gonna be a long off season for ya....lol...Shanny gonna get us in the right direction...better hope Vick don't get hurt cause vince young aint much of a backup to depend on...

[SonnySide]

I think Vince Young's comments have helped move the Eagles to #1 on many folks most hated list:
Watch Vince Gump in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y3bEMM6Khk

[DC9]

Patriots, Steelers, Packers... probably the top three rosters at this time... none of the three teams would have signed Nnamdi or Cullen Jenkins.

I think not getting Cullen Jenkins is going to end up being one of the better moves this franchise has made. I would never get an aging big man, who wants a big contract, fresh off of a Super Bowl win....that just spells lazy-payday. No thanks.

And to top it off, Juan Castillo is an idiot, so we don't have to worry about getting outschemed. I think Shanahan has the skill to outscheme him and now he has a weapon or two to help him.