Los signs with 49er's

[TheREALJBird]

Per LL56 on twitter

LL56xtremeskins LL
Wow Los signed a 1 year deal .. #ouch


LL56xtremeskins LL
RT"@MaioccoCSN: 49ers sign CB Carlos Rogers to a one-year deal."

Didn't see it posted, it very well could be by the time I click submit lol. One year deal is intriguing...lot of those going around this FA

[Bibby]

'Los really cashed in I see with that monster one year deal...

[s0crates]

One year deal worth how much?

My guess, it is not the top-tier FA money he hoped for.

[skinzWILL]

Wants to stay close to Jason Campbells couch Im guessing... LOL. I think 'Los will be a little more humble during the next FA period!

[RenegadeTK]

Personally, i would've liked for him to stay in DC, but not with the attitude he had.

[mmzznnxx]

I'm going to the 49'ers/Redskins game, with a friend who is a Niners fan, who insisted the team would get Asomugha while I joked he would get Rogers.

The only way this could get more exquisite is if Rogers gets beat for a long TD pass while there.

[Boss_Hogg]

Good bye Los. Thanks for your service!

Some FREE advice...learn to CATCH. Catch the football and the locative deals will follow.

Oh yeah, bring a windbreaker, it gets chilly out there!

[CM916]

See ya, Stonehands. It was fun.

He is still a damn good cover corner but you gotta get the turnovers if you expect to get paid. I'm actually a little surprised if this was really the best he could do. He was never going to get the deal he wanted but this really has to hurt his ego.

[CounterTrey75]

I'm going to the 49'ers/Redskins game, with a friend who is a Niners fan, who insisted the team would get Asomugha while I joked he would get Rogers.

The only way this could get more exquisite is if Rogers gets beat for a long TD pass while there.

Good one, however I think the most likely thing he could do is drop a couple interceptions. Now that would be ex. qui. site! Lol

[thesubmittedone]

I can't believe he would let his ego affect him to the point where he'd accept a one-year deal with a losing team like that instead of accepting what we'd give him here. Were we also offering a one year deal?

[RM52]

have fun in san fran stonehands...see ya nov 6th when the sex cannon unleashes the dragon on you!!!!

[B55Green]

Wish he would have stayed, but it is what it is. Now, unless injured, we'll see how good he really was versus complaining about the lack of INT's.

[CM916]

I can't believe he would let his ego affect him to the point where he'd accept a one-year deal with a losing team like that instead of accepting what we'd give him here. Were we also offering a one year deal?

I don't think we offered him anything to be honest. We immediately went out and signed a replacement for him off the bat.

[DeadExField]

is there a highlight reel of all of his drops?

I still like Rogers as a player and I'll be rooting for him out west. I think his brick hands fit well with the brick 49ers

[SkinsGuy]

I can't believe he would let his ego affect him to the point where he'd accept a one-year deal with a losing team like that instead of accepting what we'd give him here. Were we also offering a one year deal?

I personally don't think the Redskins offered him anything.

I believe that Shanahan's main focus since last season is to change the culture around the team. You can't do that if you keep around the more troublesome, opinionated, "old guard" players.

Players that think they are bigger than the team, bigger than the new coaches brought in, players who used to have direct contact to Snyder, and were used to doing things the way they want.

Shanahan has gotten rid of a lot of the "long timers" on this team the last couple of seasons. He's trying to get a young team together that will follow him and his coaches and bring back a real NFL atmoshpere to D.C.

I hope it works. It seems to be.

Good luck to you Rogers. You were a pretty good CB, but your mouth, attitude, and stone hands were your undoing.

[iMeast]

Meh ... I can't wait to see the numbers on that contract.

HTTR

[VetMinimum+Incentives]

Meh ... I can't wait to see the numbers on that contract.

HTTR

LL56xtremeskinsLL





RT"@MaioccoCSN:> Not exact, but expect Carlos Rogers' deal with 49ers in the $4M to $4.25M range."

[SkinnedAussie]

is there a highlight reel of all of his drops?

I don't think there is enough film in the world to cover all of them!

Maybe this is the wake-up call he needed.

[SittingBull]

I can't believe he would let his ego affect him to the point where he'd accept a one-year deal with a losing team like that instead of accepting what we'd give him here. Were we also offering a one year deal?

I guess the appeals of Castro Street were too much to refuse.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Good bye, good riddance.

Aside from your attitude being one of a gigantic ass, you were one of the most overrated players by a large section of this fanbase in a LONG time. Not only do you have the hands of a pre-schooler, your cover skills left a LOT to be desired. A first round talent you most certainly are NOT!

Well done San Francisco. You just bagged yourself the very definiton of a mediocre CB.

Hail.

[BadKarma]

This sucks, tons of potential, feel like had we had a decent FO/ownership in place since his arrival he would have developed into a much better player for us.

[Sanders 83]

I won't miss him or his ego...I hope this humbles him... but I won't hold my breath...

[kubstix]

Rogers wanted Nnamdi/Revis money so I'm assuming he signed a 1 year $50 million? Way to cash in Rogers. What a piece of garbage this guy is. I use to like Rogers, but to accept a one year deal with the 49ers? Get out of here and never come back. We could have offered a 3 year/$9 million and it would have been a better offer than that. Ego got bruised in Washington.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

I won't miss him or his ego...I hope this humbles him... but I won't hold my breath...

Agree, wont miss his game changing drops at all. Seeee ya!

[NattyBo]

Did he drop the pen while signing?

[Wyvern]

Maybe his less-than-positive attitude about being in Washington outweighed his talent. He apparently wanted out of Washington, unless offered an enticement he couldn't refuse, but I sensed the Skins FO had given up on him during the off-season.

It's sad that the Skins lost a 'homegrown talent' through free agency -- but then again, could they pay starter money for Hall, Wilson, AND Rogers? (Also, I'm not sure what salary Buchanon received as well.) ... And lest we forget, the Skins also wants to see what Barnes has, and the other rookie CBs drafted. The Skins seem to be committed to their 'youth' movement.

Sorry it didn't work out with Rogers -- but I suspect the change of scenery will work out better for Carlos, --- and also for a large number of the fans he seems to have alienated.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

It's sad that the Skins lost a 'homegrown talent' through free agency --

He was never a 'talent' to start with.

I love Joe Gibbs to bits, but man did he screw the pouch spectacularly in that '05 draft. One of the single worst, costliest drafts in Redskins history.

Hail.

[redskindan07]

I thought the grass was supposed to be greener on the other side... Not much green there for ya Los

[MartinC]

I can't believe he would let his ego affect him to the point where he'd accept a one-year deal with a losing team like that instead of accepting what we'd give him here. Were we also offering a one year deal?

I'm pretty sure we did not make him an offer - both sides felt it was time to move on. Wilson was signed to replace him and is younger, faster and can catch. The only thing Rogers had over Wilson was size - he matched up well against bigger receivers and we will miss that.

[Dheavy]

This sucks, tons of potential, feel like had we had a decent FO/ownership in place since his arrival he would have developed into a much better player for us.

How can you honestly blame the front office Carlos' undoing? The dude was a malcontent when he was on this team, and he was only concerned about getting paid. You know what, you better believe the Niner fans wouldn't be as forgiven and patient with Him as we were.

[MartinC]

This sucks, tons of potential, feel like had we had a decent FO/ownership in place since his arrival he would have developed into a much better player for us.

What have the FO or ownership got to do with his inability to catch and make plays? Good cover guy but you need to create turnovers to get paid top corner money.

[wrecker]

Remember there is no "D" in Rogers. :pfft:

[benskins26]

Does this mean the last of the 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 2?

[#98QBKiller]

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[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Remember there is no "D" in Rogers. :pfft:

That is brilliant in it's simplicity. And 9 times out of 10 oh so true.

Love it.

Hail.

[Backpack3r]

We play them at home this year. If a ball is thrown his way and he drops it, there will be a huge uproar by the crowd

[stevemcqueen1]

See ya, Stonehands. It was fun.

He is still a damn good cover corner

I disagree. He was a good corner for 7 or 8 games in 2008. After that he got beat like a drum just like everybody else in our secondary. Rarely will you see a player try and milk 8 good games as hard as Carlos did.

[celticsalmon]

The age of entitlement and attitude has ended in Washington. Gone are the malcontents! Hail

[red dot in a sea of blue]

Is Walt Harris still out there? He prolly told Los that you can make a pro bowl in SF even if you're a TERRIBLE cb... It worked for him!

[authentic]

Happy Trails 'Los... :)

[Last Fan Standing]

Los is/was a better "cover" corner than D. Hall (which in my opinion is not saying much). He simply lacked the ability to make plays on the ball. I guess he viewed his cover skills as enough to demand top CB money (or at least as much as D. Hall's contract). The reality is that Los was dealing with a different FO who likely would not have given D. Hall such a big contract and certainly weren't giving that money to Los when there were opportunities to get a younger and more athletic corner in FA. I can see how spending several years with the Skins during the Snyder era -- and watching so many marginal players come in and get huge contracts -- could lead to Los overvaluing his worth. He didn't want to be here unless we overpaid him and his age / skill set / and attitude didn't justify bringing him back for a large contract. It was best for both sides to move on.

[RFKFedEx]

Now he'll get a pick 6 when SF plays here in Nov.

[RFK Lives]

Now he'll get a pick 6 when SF plays here in Nov.:puke:

[onedrop]

This sucks, tons of potential, feel like had we had a decent FO/ownership in place since his arrival he would have developed into a much better player for us.

you expected Dan Snyder/Joe Gibbs/Allen/Shanahan to teach carlos how to catch? if you cant do it in little league, high school you arent going to learn how to do it. on the radio the other day lavar and fat ass were talking about this with someone that said in high school fast guys that couldnt catch became cornerbacks. that is complete BS in my experience. when i played what separated WRs and CBs was the ability to back pedal and anticipate/run routes. I was fast but lanky so I played CB/FS and we specifically worked on catching and ran laps if we sucked at it.

some people simply cant come to terms with the shape of the only non spherical ball.

[SWFLSkins]

This sucks, tons of potential, feel like had we had a decent FO/ownership in place since his arrival he would have developed into a much better player for us.

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[HigSkin]

Darn, and I was hoping he'd sign in Philly so our WR's would at least have an opportunity to catch a few passes when we play them....:pfft:

[Bobbyst21]

The 49ers huh?Albert to the Pats,Donovan to the Vikes,Do we play all the players we released this year?Almost seems funny.

[JaxJoe]

In general, good cover-cornerback with stone hands is more of a liability on the field than an asset. For instance, the O-line collapses and the QB has to either throw the ball out-of-bounds, or throw to whoever Carlos is covering. The impact is 1) The receiver catches it, or 2) a pass-interference penalty is called, or 3) the ball is batted, thus the same effect as throwing the ball out-of-bounds. So, with stone-hands Rogers, a scenario where two out of three results ends in a positive gain for the offense, sucks. I never hated the guy, but you have to believe opposing offensive coordinators and QBs knew of Rodgers inability to make interceptions and planned accordingly. Those days are now over.

[Arsenic]

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[FunBunch7]

The deal is not done yet...he dropped the pen when they asked for his signature...

[pray4surf]

Good riddance Edward Scissorhands.

Go butcher the english language somewhere else.

[tone_dubbz]

He'll end up getting 8 interceptions this season, a la Walt Harris :(

[Soup]

Actually its an upgrade for the 49ers. Compared to what the 49ers had after losing Clemens.

Carlos probably signed with them because they'll play him as a stater. He may even be their #1 corner, which is funny.

Here carlos would be fighting with Buch and Barnes for playing time.


Edit:

Actually after reading some posts on the 49ers message board. It looks like Los will be their #1.

[ucfSKINS]

I read this when I woke up today. Was great to hear. Let him make his "huge money" elsewhere.

In a few years, he'll be begging to come back.

[HRNY4ZRNY]

Carlos Carlos Carlos. Thats all I have to say.

[Sticksboi05]

The moment he loses a step he becomes useless. Can't catch a cold.

---------- Post added August-3rd-2011 at 10:41 AM ----------


The deal is not done yet...he dropped the pen when they asked for his signature...

:ols::ols:

[rockfan7224]

Actually its an upgrade for the 49ers. Compared to what the 49ers had after losing Clemens.

Carlos probably signed with them because they'll play him as a stater. He may even be their #1 corner, which is funny.

Here carlos would be fighting with Buch and Barnes for playing time.


Edit:

Actually after reading some posts on the 49ers message board. It looks like Los will be their #1.

They'll like him until he drops a few INT's. At least we don't have to worry about Sexy Rexy in that game.

[Yeen80]

Something tells me he'll never make it to the Bay Area after dropping his boarding pass at Dulles

[Gracelander]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/Gracelander/Bobs%20Records/new%20album%20bob%20easter2011/carlos.jpg

[Teller]

Best of luck, 'Los. Thanks for the memories....good and bad.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

2005 Draft is looking better each day! I love Gibbs, but damn man. :doh:

[laurent]

Rogers is a better corner than Wilson and Buchannon, not sure what the Redskins were thinking not bringing him back.

[SuperDaveVA1975]

I wish we would have kept los back and given him a 1 year deal but whats done is done... good luck los im glad your'e not in the nfc east.

[Santana_89]

The deal is not done yet...he dropped the pen when they asked for his signature...

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[skinsfan190]

Ha see I told u he wasn't getting any "Big Money". I glad he's gone. His attitude just always rubbed me the wrong way. Solid player but not a difference maker at all. So long Carlos Hands of Stone Rogers!

[SWFLSkins]

He ought to enjoy the nightlife.....http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c390/kaori64/clown.gif

[skins island connection]

Stone Hands gone to the niners?
Damn, now who will I be able to yell "catch the damn ball" to...

[PleaseGoForTheWin]

Watch this turn out to be the whole Walt Harris thing all over again! I remember how we couldn't wait to be rid of him, then he went to SF and nabbed like 10 INTS his first year there.

[Last Fan Standing]

Watch this turn out to be the whole Walt Harris thing all over again! I remember how we couldn't wait to be rid of him, then he went to SF and nabbed like 10 INTS his first year there.

Well I never understood if he was incapable of holding onto the ball and making interceptions or if he simply wasn't working hard enough (be it on concentration, technique, etc) to overcome the dropsies. If he's incapable then a change of scenery in San Fran isn't going to change that. If it’s the latter and he somehow has a new found motivation to work harder at catching the ball -- and indeed starts to pick off a number of passes -- then there is nothing we can do about that. Los made it clear that he had little to no interest in staying in Washington. And after several years and multiple contracts there is NO reason to believe that his ability to make plays on the ball would change with a new contract – assuming that’s something even in his control. If he goes off to SF and racks up 10 INTs this year then so be it. But there is no reason to believe that any amount of money we could pay him would ever make him that player for the Skins.

[Tweedr01]

Rogers is a better corner than Wilson and Buchannon, not sure what the Redskins were thinking not bringing him back.

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lol tell me another

[OuterBanksTarHeel]

Walt Harris wasn't an underachieving CB w/ us, like Carlos. He just happened to have a freaky year w/ the 49'ers. I don't think the two situations compare.

I think Carlos is overrated as a "cover CB," whatever that actually means. Someone not too long ago showed a stat that proved that Josh Wilson was the better "cover CB" on top of being able to catch a football.

It seems like people have used this, "he's a good cover CB" for so long that they've believed it without looking at any sort of stats or measures to back it up. Can anyone show me something that supports this theory that Los was a great "cover CB" w/ us?

[NeckBone]

I bet he dropped the pen trying to sign the contract

[Skins4SB]

Not only did he have stone hands, but he constantly gave 10 yd cushions to his WRs -- no matter who the D coordinator was.

[IONTOP]

Hey has anyone made a joke about Rogers dropping the pen while trying to sign his contract yet?

[skins island connection]

Not only did he have stone hands, but he constantly gave 10 yd cushions to his WRs -- no matter who the D coordinator was.

My other nickname for him was "Pillowtop", since he gave such a soft cushion.
Oh, well; next stop for LOS, Oakland...

[stevemcqueen1]

Not only did he have stone hands, but he constantly gave 10 yd cushions to his WRs -- no matter who the D coordinator was.

I think a lot of fans get confused by off coverage because I see a lot of objection to these "cushions" when it's a standard coverage that nearly every corner at every level of football plays.

[Hitman21ST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMC4FgNxmI8

[The Hangman- C_Hamberger]

He could have had 8Mil a year but when they said they'd CHANGE DIRECTION and DOUBLE the offer....he turned his back and walked away

[DButz65]

Isn't there salt water out in San Fran? Stone doesn't like salt water does it? lol

[bigtymeskin2126]

If our QB hits him in the hands with one this year and he drops it, I will have the biggest smile on my face.

[RandyHolt]

Carlos No Bad Tape Nor Hands Rogers.

I am thrilled we play them. I hope we target him with an audible on every classic cushion. When he moves up, pump and go deep. Great cover corner my ass. Average maybe a little above average, at best.

[MONTEY]

If our QB hits him in the hands with one this year and he drops it, I will have the biggest smile on my face.

If our QB hits him in the hands and he runs it back for a TD I will not be at all shocked. At all. Knowing the snakebitten culture of this organization.

Perhaps that will end this season. Hopefully.

[Bibby]

Carlos Rogers is going to jump on so many of our routes when we play the 49ers. You just know he's going to be looking for an INT all game against us. Stop-and-Go's could be big money for us against him.

[SpacePenguin]

The game vs San Fran isn't until week 9.

You guys must be crazy, because by that time, Los will be sitting out with a minor injury, so he doesn't look bad on film for the upcoming FA period.

1 year deal, after all.

[bigtymeskin2126]

If our QB hits him in the hands and he runs it back for a TD I will not be at all shocked. At all. Knowing the snakebitten culture of this organization.

Perhaps that will end this season. Hopefully.

lol, I would not be surprised WHATSOEVER either

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

last time we let a corner go to SF was walt harris, and he made the probowl that season.

so knowing our history, carlos might intercept 2 WHOLE PASSES THIS SEASON! GOOD WORK WALRUS MITTS!

[ciresolstice]

a leftover from the old attitude regime, way of doing things... glad to move on, his attitude sucked. He's decent cover corner and a good tackler, but he has terrible hands.

[Skins4SB]

I think a lot of fans get confused by off coverage because I see a lot of objection to these "cushions" when it's a standard coverage that nearly every corner at every level of football plays.

Not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying standard coverage dictates that the CB has to play 10 yards off his man? Carlos' best games were when he lined up in bump-n-run across on a WR. I remember him having a good day on TO playing this coverage.

[kubstix]

Not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying standard coverage dictates that the CB has to play 10 yards off his man? Carlos' best games were when he lined up in bump-n-run across on a WR. I remember him having a good day on TO playing this coverage.

Agree, I hate his attitude and it turned me real sour the way we talked to the media. He would actually have a decent price tag if they lined him up bump and run like he should have been. It was sickening seeing him line up 10 yards on a cushion with 3rd and 2. We seem to forget CR was able to shut down some big name receivers in his tenure here. However, good riddance. We need younger players who are cheap and are salivating for a next contract to make themselves serious coin.

[Fetus]

SAD FACE! This is depressing, always was on Carlos' big supporters. Sad to see him go but at least it's only a one year deal, maybe he'll play his ass off out there and go into FA next year with a better attitude and we can sign him back
Good Luck 22

[GO HAMSKINS]

First let me say this IMO Los Coverage has always been suspect he just plays with too much cushion.

Reality is this though- Today people will bash Los,or take shots at him because Shanny didn't sign him.One thing that upset me about Skins fans is that many of you are just Coach MS "Sheeple"! Scenario- If Shanny first priority in the Off season was to sign Los many of you would have had a different opinion on Carlos's game today. All Shanny had to say is something like Cover corners are hard to find now in days,or something like that and all these comments in this thread would be very different. You would read comments such as "another good signing by MS/Allen" or "Los was only targeted 10 times this season he's clearly our best cover guy".The only reason why I'm bothered by stuff like this is because of the hypocrisy! I mean when will the fans start to have a mind of their own? Stop running around with your head up MS ass! Coaches do make mistakes! Stop running around like herds of SHEEPLE

[txkid]

"Wants to stay close to Jason Campbells couch Im guessing... LOL."

Would not surprise me. I believe that neither one is married. Now both are in the bay area.

[veteranskinsfan]

He signed for a little more than $4 million. The 49ers are in major rebuild mode. I do not think free agency worked out that well for Rogers. He needs to keep quiet and intercept some balls or he could be out of
the league next year. Jerry Glanville used to say all the time that the initials -NFL- stands for Not For Long.

[h8dacowgirls]

Goodbye stonehands now both of Vinny's 1st round draft busts are out of here

[Yeen80]

hey has anyone made a joke about rogers dropping the pen while trying to sign his contract yet?

lmfao!!!!!!

[SirClintonPortis]

"Wants to stay close to Jason Campbells couch Im guessing... LOL."

Would not surprise me. I believe that neither one is married. Now both are in the bay area.

Actually, Campbell's love interest is Mercedes Lindsay. Lindsay is a former Miss DC.

[whatmeworry]

The Redskins are trying to restructure the roster with team players with good character. Rogers has neither.

[RedBeast]

GTFO punk! CYA! Don't let the door hit you in the ***

[styx491]

Definitely the passing of the old guard. Hopefully our secondary doesn't miss him as much.

[Yeen80]

How many people do we have left from the 2005 team? Just Sellers and Moss now?

[Skinzfever2010]

How many people do we have left from the 2005 team? Just Sellers and Moss now?

We traded Cooley?

[chipwhich]

Maybe now we can alleviate the "Los" from our vocabulary as well. :)

Tana anyone?

[sportjunkie07]

First let me say this IMO Los Coverage has always been suspect he just plays with too much cushion.

Reality is this though- Today people will bash Los,or take shots at him because Shanny didn't sign him.One thing that upset me about Skins fans is that many of you are just Coach MS "Sheeple"! Scenario- If Shanny first priority in the Off season was to sign Los many of you would have had a different opinion on Carlos's game today. All Shanny had to say is something like Cover corners are hard to find now in days,or something like that and all these comments in this thread would be very different. You would read comments such as "another good signing by MS/Allen" or "Los was only targeted 10 times this season he's clearly our best cover guy".The only reason why I'm bothered by stuff like this is because of the hypocrisy! I mean when will the fans start to have a mind of their own? Stop running around with your head up MS ass! Coaches do make mistakes! Stop running around like herds of SHEEPLE

maybe people give shanny a long leash because he is a superbowl winning coach. he turned the franchise around in my opinion. he turned a draft where we had few picks into a highly graded draft. he seems to be able to find diamonds in the rough (torrain, banks, armstrong to name a few).

and if shanny determined that we needed carlos, then i would have been on board. this isnt jim zorn or cerrato running the team. its shanny and allen, and theyve done a miraculous job at turning the roster around.

[RedBeast]

No big los' to the team! :ols:

[Yeen80]

We traded Cooley?

My bad. Forgot about Cooley. So just three? Thats a pretty big roster overhaul

[Goingforburgundy]

No big los' to the team! :ols:

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[SKOALSKIN]

If los wasn't such an ******* he might have been able to score a long term deal here. Good Riddence. The guy will be broke and outta the league in under 3 years.

[Zarg]

Rumor has it he dropped the pen 5 times before he signed his contract!

[OnlySkins4ever]

He will probably be a football catching master now that he has left our team. Just our rotten luck.

[HitStickTaylor21]

We always had a weird love/hate relationship with Rogers. Every season everyone wanted him off the team. Every offseason everyone wanted to see him back.

His attitude sounded like it was in the wrong place. We don't need that here. We've had too many "I want to get paid" players before. I'm glad he had to take that ego hit with the one-yea deal in SF.

[Spunkush]

He's gonna pull a walt Harris and nab 8 ints

[TheCool47]

Huh, I just saw this bit of news. Don't really care too much about losing Los. Wouldn't have minded singing him for a short deal, but at the same time his attitude and not being able to catch won't make me miss him.

[redskins55]

2 words...

Walt Harris :ols:

[Tom10Y]

Good riddance!

[stevemcqueen1]

Not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying standard coverage dictates that the CB has to play 10 yards off his man? Carlos' best games were when he lined up in bump-n-run across on a WR. I remember him having a good day on TO playing this coverage.

Off coverages are more common than press and on the line coverages in most NFL schemes because of the primacy of the zone. Usually a veteran player has pretty wide discretion in the way he lines up. In off single coverages, when you see the corner give a receiver a wide cushion it's a measure of respect for a receivers deep play ability and it's done to prevent big plays over the top of the defense, especially if you're facing an elite deep play flanker or slot man like DeSean Jackson where you're not going to be able to reroute him at the line.

I've noticed from watching the college game that confident, athletic zone corners favor off coverages where they give as much cushion as they can get away with. It gives them more time to read the play before the receiver is on them and if they're very fast out of their breaks, they can be deadly on the ball. You'd be surprised how easy it is for a QB to lose them when they're deep in the backfield.

At the college level, good press corners are pretty rare. I think it's because it takes a level of strength to execute and few college corners are strong enough to be effective in press. Conversely, that's why you see so many college receivers come into the league and get swallowed whole by the press since they've hardly seen it before.

But NFL defenses are multiple and utilize a wide variety of coverages with each of their players and NFL DBs are very strong. Elite NFL corners have got to be able to press because they will get matched up with physical number ones who play on the line.

Even still, with so many of the benchmark NFL defensive schemes favoring zone coverages, you tend to see less press than you see off on the whole. It depends on the situation, where the receiver lines up, whether you're playing single or zone, route running tendencies of the receiver you've gleaned from film study and previous snaps, disguise of your own assignment (trying to avoid showing blitz), etc. I don't know, here's one example: sometimes you need to take away a certain route and force the receiver to take a deeper option to disrupt the timing of the offense so you line up one or two steps from the line and shade without ever pressing. You read the receiver's route from the way he lines up and sometimes you want a big cushion so you can make that play on the ball.

I bet there are literally hundreds of different situations that call for different alignments from your CB. The position is so instinctive, it takes forever to learn and athleticism only carries you so far. Just look at our defense and how heady our CBs have to be given the fact we are almost always in zone. Deangelo has a very high football IQ and has always been very instinctive and he's gained mastery of the scheme quickly. But he's rare, most corners take longer to get that comfort level, especially if they come from college having been singled up on opposing 1s the whole time because they were the best athlete on the field.

Carlos gets a rep for his ability to press based off one good half season in 2008, but in general I don't think he was suited to be an elite press man corner at all. For one thing, he's always been a far better zone corner. Think of all of those interception opportunities he dropped. He made those plays by making good reads and using his blazing quickness to break on balls from his zone. Carlos had elite short area quickness and, IIRC, registered one of the five or ten fastest cone drill and short shuttle times at the combine for a CB this decade.

But Carlos had awful ball skills which is kind of a big deal for a gambling zone corner like him. Carlos was certainly strong enough to press and reroute lots of receivers at the line and if he'd been able to put it all together each week, I think he'd have been a complete CB. But Carlos's biggest problem was that he was so inconsistent. Not just from game to game, sometimes it would be from series to series. I don't know what his problem was. I think his awful attitude was a factor. I think his play was often milquetoast and lacked the kind of fire and burn we've seen from Deangelo, who throws his body around despite the fact that he's not as big or strong as basically any of the ball carriers he faces.

[DC9]

He will probably be a football catching master now that he has left our team. Just our rotten luck.

I just don't think he has that kind of work ethic.

[Skins4SB]

Off coverages are more common than press and on the line coverages in most NFL schemes because of the primacy of the zone. Usually a veteran player has pretty wide discretion in the way he lines up. In off single coverages, when you see the corner give a receiver a wide cushion it's a measure of respect for a receivers deep play ability and it's done to prevent big plays over the top of the defense, especially if you're facing an elite deep play flanker or slot man like DeSean Jackson where you're not going to be able to reroute him at the line.

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Yes, off coverage is more common than press coverage, but one thing is to play off and another thing is to play 10 yards off your man. Carlos clearly didn't understand the situations in the game. I can't how many times he played 10 yard cushions in a 3rd and short situation and his man runs a short slant to pick up the first. Where are his reactive instincts? Not good enough to play 10 yards off. The only logic behind giving a large cushion is if you are scared of getting beat deep. If he was such a good cover corner like many in here say, he wouldn't need to give such a large cushion.

Good riddance, Carlos. I really hope he is on the field when we play the Niners.

[JoeSkins]

I just don't think he has that kind of work ethic.

Or concentration, dexterity, coordination, anticipation...

[glongest]

I personally don't think the Redskins offered him anything.

I believe that Shanahan's main focus since last season is to change the culture around the team. You can't do that if you keep around the more troublesome, opinionated, "old guard" players.

Players that think they are bigger than the team, bigger than the new coaches brought in, players who used to have direct contact to Snyder, and were used to doing things the way they want.

Shanahan has gotten rid of a lot of the "long timers" on this team the last couple of seasons. He's trying to get a young team together that will follow him and his coaches and bring back a real NFL atmoshpere to D.C.

I hope it works. It seems to be.

Good luck to you Rogers. You were a pretty good CB, but your mouth, attitude, and stone hands were your undoing.

I think you are exactly right. This was a statement that we are changing the culture of this team.

[skinsmania123]

I just need to say it again in this thread...buh bye average CB at best. You can't catch. Even if the ball was placed in your hands Carlos you would find a way to drop it. You are an average cover back and I am just ecstatic that you are gone.

Have fun with your one year deal!