Facebook friend just posted this video of Gov Christie

[Larry]

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I just watched this video. I don't know a single thing about this guy. Literally just googled his name, to find out he Gov of NJ. I have no idea which Party he's with.

But at least for the part of this video I've watched, I like this guy.

I don't know from the video, did Christie appoint this guy?

[Henry]

He's a Republican.

[Mickalino]

I don't know a single thing about this guy. Literally just googled his name, to find out he Gov of NJ. I have no idea which Party he's with.


He was actually heavily pressured and favored to run as a GOP 2012 Candidate, but he reiterated he had no interest.
He's gotten a lot of grief for flying to his son's baseball game in a helicoptor, by people wanting to attack for his budget policies.
Also, got a lot of flack for his response to a lady, asking why he sends his kids to a private school, and he replied, "None of your business - I don't ask anything about your kids"
Typical Jersey, "tell it like it is" guy

[Henry]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/Christie_Blasts_Muslim_Judge_Critics_072711_NewsCo re_ncx

I think this is what he was talking about.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I'm kinda surprised you've never heard of him Larry.

There was a time when the GOP was pushing him to run for the presidency.




Of course that was before his popularity plummeted in NJ.

[Mickalino]

I don't know a single thing about this guy.


He's a Republican.

Was that to convince Larry not to like him, or a way of saying, "Can you believe a Republican is actually saying **** like this ?" :)

[Henry]

Was that to convince Larry not to like him, or a way of saying, "Can you believe a Republican is actually saying **** like this ?" :)

Both actually. :)


No. I just happen to know that and Larry said he didn't know.

Other than that, I didn't know a thing about him.

[Larry]

He's a Republican.

OK, I hate him.

[Henry]

OK, I hate him.

My work is done here. :)

[twa]

If ya'll don't,ya'll don't follow politics

not that theres anything wrong with that

[Riggo-toni]

As someone who had to suffer thru the successive disasters of McGreevey and Corzine, I love the guy. My wife, who is a public school teacher, is less enthused...

[Henry]

If ya'll don't,ya'll don't follow politics

not that theres anything wrong with that

Then feel free to stay out of threads I post in if they aren't worthy of you.

[Teller]

OK, I hate him.


Ladies and gentlemen, the tailgate in a nutshell. :ols:

:cheers:

[Riggo-toni]

OK, I hate him.
While I'm disgusted at what the national GOP has become, if you lived in NJ and have a lick of common sense, you'd detest the local Democratic party, regardless of your allegiances at the national level.

[Henry]

While I'm disgusted at what the national GOP has become, if you lived in NJ and have a lick of common sense, you'd detest the local Democratic party, regardless of your allegiances at the national level.

I'm pretty sure Larry was joking.



Maybe not. :)

[twa]

Then feel free to stay out of threads I post in if they aren't worthy of you.

?...I follow politics,obviously I have very lax standards

[dockeryfan]

Vhristie has made a name for himself by just being outspoken.

People don't really even know what his positions are, just that he is gruff and reminds people of tough New Jersey attitude. He really just a cartoon of himself, because he tries to be outrageous. To me it just seems over the top and stupid.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Saw this video the other day. I doubt I would ever vote for him (if I could) but I definitely have a lot of respect for him. This is all I'd like to see out of Republicans. Stop pandering to bull****. Stop throwing common sense and logic out the window (how sad is it, that that's what it takes to appeal to some of these people?) Just be real, stand up for what's right, explain why your vision of the economy, of this country, etc are the correct ones. Like a freaking adult.

[NoCalMike]

Aren't Christie's numbers in the gutter right now?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

From another Republican--Pete Wehner. Worked in Regan's and both Bush's administrations:


Standing up to Anti-Muslim American Bias
Peter Wehner
08.04.2011 - 1:00 PM

One of the troubling tendencies that has recently arisen among conservatism is an unfair animus toward Muslim Americans. This has found its most disturbing expression in GOP presidential candidate (and Tea Party favorite) Herman Cain, whose anti-Muslim bias runs so deep that it overrides his regard for our Constitution (see here: ) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/herman-cains-modern-day-religious-test/2011/06/20/AG6PsVdH_story.html).) Cain, for example, has declared (http://www.mediaite.com/online/herman-cain-if-im-president-i-wont-appoint-muslim-judges-or-cabinet-members/) he would not appoint a Muslim either to his cabinet or as a federal judge and also insisted (http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-herman-cain-id-demand-a-loyalty-proof-from-muslims/) on a “loyalty proof” for Muslim Americans.

Thankfully, this anti-Muslim strain isn’t dominant within conservatism. But what is discouraging is how few GOP lawmakers and conservative voices have been willing to confront it. Which is why I’m grateful New Jersey Governor Chris Christie spoke out (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gov-chris-christie-defends-appointing-muslim-judge-this-sharia-law-business-is-crap/) in defense of his appointment of Sohail Mohammed to a state bench.


“Ignorance is behind the criticism of Sohail Mohammed,” Governor Christie told reporters asking him about the complaints that Mohammed defended Muslim Americans who were wrongly arrested in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. “He is an extraordinary American who is an outstanding lawyer and played an integral role in the post-September 11 period in building bridges between the Muslim American community in this state and law enforcement,” Christie said, adding he was “disgusted, candidly, by some of the qustions he was asked by both parties at the Senate Judiciary Committee. I thought it was awful.”

Governor Christie, being Governor Christie, didn’t stop there. When asked about concerns about sharia law in the context of the Mohammed appointment, Christie added, “Sharia law has nothing to do with this at all. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. The guy’s an American citizen who has been an admitted lawyer to practice in the state of New Jersey swearing an oath to uphold the laws of New Jersey, the Constitution of the state of New Jersey, and the Constitution of the United States of America.”

Sharia law has “nothing to do with Sohail Mohammed,” Christie added emphatically. “It’s just unnecessary to be accusing this guy of things just because of his religious background, and that’s what it’s because of.”

If any individual of any faith is engaging in activities that threaten the well-being of Americans, that is, of course, a serious concern. But remember this, too: one of the remarkable achievements of America is our tolerance and respect for people of different faiths. To put the burden of proof on Muslims to prove their loyalty to America, simply because they are Muslim, is the antithesis of the spirit of the American founding. And to target people simply because of their religious faith – to assume that (in Michael Gerson’s words) every Muslim is a recruit for sedition – is a direct assault on the very Constitution conservatives say we revere.

It’s one thing, and a laudable thing, not to participate in this ugliness. But it’s another thing, and a far more admirable thing, to stand against it. My former boss, President Bush, did this in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. And now, thankfully, Governor Chris Christie has as well.

Though I do question his assertion that anti-Muslim "isn't dominant within conservatism."

[PeterMP]

Aren't Christie's numbers in the gutter right now?
He's below 50%, but he is a Republican in a very Democratic state. In addition, he inhereted on the state level many of the same issues that Obama did on the national level. The state government has been running a lot of debt before he took over, and the bond rating was given a negative grade before he was govenor and subsequentially actually reduced.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-09/new-jersey-bond-rating-cut-by-s-p-on-growing-pension-health-obligations.html
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2009/08/nj_credit_rating_outlook_in_th.html


He's done a lot in terms of taking on the public unions (w/o taking a Wisconsin like approach) and increasing the state workers healthcare and pension obligations.

[THEREALTOR1]

Aren't Christie's numbers in the gutter right now?

Isn't just about everything in NJ in the gutter now? I know the mass exodus from NJ to Delaware has slowed somewhat but there's still a ton of retires trying to get the hell out and get away from the outrageous property taxes so they can retire here in DE.

Christie seems like an alright guy, but he's trying to fix a state that may just prove to be unfixable.

[Stugein]

My only real gripe with Christie here in NJ is that his cuts tend to weigh too heavily on the schools for my taste. There are a lot of places to trim the fat in this state, but Christie always seems to cut most deeply into the education budget. Aside from that I don't really have any major issues with the man.

[Madison Redskin]

The guy is definitely intelligent, and that alone makes him appealing. He's also very direct. Did anyone else catch him on 60 minutes about 3 months ago when he talked about the debt crisis? It was a great segment. In any case, I like the guy a lot. I'm not sure I'd vote for him for POTUS, but he's got my respect and I'd at least consider it if he decided to run.

[AsburySkinsFan]

From my understanding he's fiscal conservative social moderate liberal. I can't imagine you get elected in NJ as a GOP by being anything different.

[DRSmith]

As someone who had to suffer thru the successive disasters of McGreevey and Corzine, I love the guy. My wife, who is a public school teacher, is less enthused...

That was something I found bad about him, he talked about shared sacrifice to get through bad times and the rich were spared everyone else was ask to take cuts but no tax increases

[PeterMP]

My only real gripe with Christie here in NJ is that his cuts tend to weigh too heavily on the schools for my taste. There are a lot of places to trim the fat in this state, but Christie always seems to cut most deeply into the education budget. Aside from that I don't really have any major issues with the man.
Christie isn't actually awful in terms of funding education.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/123710164_Christie_s_education_spending_may_be_sur prising.html

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/phillipsburg/index.ssf/2011/07/gov_chris_christie_increases_s.html

http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2011/jul/11/jim-whelan/state-sen-jim-whelan-says-gov-chris-christie-slash/

He's run into issues with the teachers union because he's gone after their benefits.

[SkinsHokieFan]

That was something I found bad about him, he talked about shared sacrifice to get through bad times and the rich were spared everyone else was ask to take cuts but no tax increases

NJ has been devestated with high taxes. That is why half the state is leaving. Keeping taxes, or hopefully lowering them, will help rebuild that base

Good for Chris Christie. I may actually have an R I can vote for again

[Koolblue13]

While I'm disgusted at what the national GOP has become, if you lived in NJ and have a lick of common sense, you'd detest the local Democratic party, regardless of your allegiances at the national level.

Despite NJ politics being an absurd mess for years and years, pretty much everybody I know (almost all Dems) would rather Dick Chenney run the state of NJ, instead of the Chins. I think he is doing a lot of necessary things the state needs and he doesn't worry about making enemies. I hope it works out for them.

[DRSmith]

NJ has been devestated with high taxes. That is why half the state is leaving. Keeping taxes, or hopefully lowering them, will help rebuild that base

Good for Chris Christie. I may actually have an R I can vote for again

I would not raise taxes on all, since you are making cuts on everyone else just on those not affected by the cuts.

Then when things are good cut the taxes.

[PeterMP]

That was something I found bad about him, he talked about shared sacrifice to get through bad times and the rich were spared everyone else was ask to take cuts but no tax increases
I don't think that Christie ever talked about raising taxes on the wealthy. I think he's always been pretty clear that he wouldn't do that. NJ has pretty high property taxes, which than hits people that are pretty well off (i.e. people that can afford houses in NJ).

In addition, NJ is in a tricky situation in that it is neighbored by states that actually had lower income tax rates than it does (PA and NY (though NY has raised its tax rates essentially to match NJ, but they were careful to match and not exceed NJ)).

[Larry]

I don't think that Christie ever talked about raising taxes on the wealthy. I think he's always been pretty clear that he wouldn't do that. NJ has pretty high property taxes, which than hits people that are pretty well off (i.e. people that can afford houses in NJ).

Just pointing out that I'm pretty certain that renters pay property taxes, too.

(I don't know if they pay a higher percentage of their income, than homeowners do. I don't know if their burden is higher or lower. Just pointing out that it isn't zero.)

[PeterMP]

Just pointing out that I'm pretty certain that renters pay property taxes, too.

(I don't know if they pay a higher percentage of their income, than homeowners do. I don't know if their burden is higher or lower. Just pointing out that it isn't zero.)
I'm assming you mean as part of the rent? Because I've rented place in NY, NJ, and DE, and never paid a property tax.

[Larry]

I'm assming you mean as part of the rent? Because I've rented place in NY, NJ, and DE, and never paid a property tax.

But I guarantee you that the landlord isn't paying it out of his generosity.

When people say corporations should pay taxes, we're told that "Oh, no, we can't tax corporations, because they pass their taxes on to consumers". But when the subject is property taxes, then suddenly poor people don't pay them.

Yeah, it's at least kind of a semantic point.

[PeterMP]

But I guarantee you that the landlord isn't paying it out of his generosity.

When people say corporations should pay taxes, we're told that "Oh, no, we can't tax corporations, because they pass their taxes on to consumers". But when the subject is property taxes, then suddenly poor people don't pay them.

Yeah, it's at least kind of a semantic point.
1. You've never heard me say that.
2. Rentors have more flexibility and negotiating power, especially in a state like NJ where the majority of the populace lives not to far from another state.

You essentially have no negotiating power as an individual with respect to your property taxes. I know a bunch of people that bought new homes near the top of the bubble, were assessed at the value they bought, and now would happily sell for their assessed value (where I live was growing quickly. New homes were assessed at their selling price. I bought an older home. Its assessment wasn't changed when I bought it. As near as I can tell, my assessment value was established sometime in the early 1980s and is less than what the value of the house is now, which is less than what I paid. The people in the neighborhood down the street from me where it was all new homes are getting killed. New home values were hit harder than older home values (partly because of their property taxes) and their home values have plummetted, but their assessment hasn't changed one iota.)

[THEREALTOR1]

I'm assming you mean as part of the rent? Because I've rented place in NY, NJ, and DE, and never paid a property tax.

Correct. Only property owners pay real estate taxes. Its obviously their job to incorporate that into their overhead when determining how much they need to rent a property for (same as hazard insurance on the property), but in no way is it a renters obligation to pay property tax.

[ACW]

Christy just lost the Repub base :(

[mjah]

He's run into issues with the teachers union because he's gone after their benefits.
Well, that and then the part where he comes off as gloating about it.

The other day I heard a Christie "look at what I've done for NJ lately" radio ad in which he obliquely referred to teachers' benefits as "wasteful government spending." The reference was not hard to put together; radio ads are targeted to the average radio listener, after all. That sort of boneheaded pandering does him no favors in NJ. I had to shake my head.

PA is a crappy state in many respects and has problems aplenty, but NJ is one of the (few) area states I can look at and say "At least I don't live there."

[PeterMP]

PA is a crappy state in many respects and has problems aplenty, but NJ is one of the (few) area states I can look at and say "At least I don't live there."
And I'm sure that pre-dates the current govenor.

Though I'd much rather have Christie as govenor than Corbett from what I've heard. It sounds like he couldn't be in more in the pocket of big business if he tried.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I think whats important to take from this is we finally have a politician so clearly denounce the "anti Sharia/Muslim" hysteria that has gripped parts of the country over the last 12 months

[twa]

Christy just lost the Repub base :(

How does what he said differ from W ?

[Jumbo]

Given the dismal level of appeal of major political figures these days, Christie comes off better than many to me, allowing I know only a modest amount of the man and only over the last couple years.

[Predicto]

Good for Christie.

And as an aside, even this liberal acknowledges that New Jersey property taxes are insane.

[mjah]

And I'm sure that pre-dates the current govenor..
True, though in those days the governor's office seemed to engage in far less apparent gloating about cutting teachers' benefits.

NJ property taxes are out of control. But as a visitor what really bothers me is the mandatory full-serve gas, because the resulting pump queues even screw over non-residents. I know more than one NJ resident who is terrified to operate a gas pump, because they're used to just sticking a card out the window and watching their boxy white sedan's gauge needle magically swing to the right.

Mandating that kind of crap in the private sector is shallow, transparent politics. ...Just like gagging Florida pediatricians.

Recently I've seen a lot of people just gassing up their own cars and to hell with the slow-ass attendants.

[Larry]

True, though in those days the governor's office seemed to engage in far less apparent gloating about cutting teachers' benefits.

NJ property taxes are out of control. But as a visitor what really bothers me is the mandatory full-serve gas, because the resulting pump queues even screw over non-residents. I know more than one NJ resident who is terrified to operate a gas pump, because they're used to just sticking a card out the window and watching their boxy white sedan's gauge needle magically swing to the right.

Mandating that kind of crap in the private sector is shallow, transparent politics. ...Just like gagging Florida pediatricians.

Recently I've seen a lot of people just gassing up their own cars and to hell with the slow-ass attendants.

My brother lives in Oregon, the other state that does that. (And he tells me that, in Oregon, it's illegal for you to pump your own gas. If you pump your own gas, both you and the station (if they take your money) can be punished.)

He explained that the reasoning behind the law was that people who pump gas for a living don't have a whole lot of other career alternatives. That if self-serve caught on, (and it absolutely would), then all of the people pumping gas would simply be permanent welfare recipients.

As such, they figured that they had a choice.
Have motorists pay 2 cents/gallon estra, to pay somebody to pump the gas.
Have the taxpayers pay people to not pump gas.

It changed the law from one where I'm certain that the law is stupid, to one where I'm no longer sure which way is best. IMO, there's at least a plausible excuse for it.

[PeterMP]

True, though in those days the governor's office seemed to engage in far less apparent gloating about cutting teachers' benefits.

NJ property taxes are out of control. But as a visitor what really bothers me is the mandatory full-serve gas, because the resulting pump queues even screw over non-residents. I know more than one NJ resident who is terrified to operate a gas pump, because they're used to just sticking a card out the window and watching their boxy white sedan's gauge needle magically swing to the right.

Mandating that kind of crap in the private sector is shallow, transparent politics. ...Just like gagging Florida pediatricians.

Recently I've seen a lot of people just gassing up their own cars and to hell with the slow-ass attendants.
I don't understand the mandatory full-serve gas (Though it is actually really nice in the winter. I hate being on the way back from the in-laws and on the PA turnpike on a winter night and looking at my gas guage and thinking, 'I'm not going to make it back to NJ.').

I think I've told this story before. My wife worked with a young guy in his early 20's. He didn't know how to use a gas pump and was moving to the DC area. They drove into NY from NJ and went to a couple of different gas stations putting like $2.00 in at each station show he could see the variety of gas pumps out there, and she could teach him how to use them.

---------- Post added August-5th-2011 at 01:51 PM ----------


My brother lives in Oregon, the other state that does that. (And he tells me that, in Oregon, it's illegal for you to pump your own gas.)

He explained that the reasoning behind the law was that people who pump gas for a living don't have a whole lot of other career alternatives. That if self-serve caught on, (and it absolutely would), then all of the people pumping gas would simply be permanent welfare recipients.

As such, they figured that they had a choice.
Have motorists pay 2 cents/gallon estra, to pay somebody to pump the gas.
Have the taxpayers pay people to not pump gas.

It changed the law from one where I'm certain that the law is stupid, to one where I'm no longer sure which way is best. IMO, there's at least a plausible excuse for it.
The other excuse they give in NJ is environmental. The people that pump the gas are suppossed to be more careful in terms of not spilling it, though that doesn't seem to be the case from what I've observed.

It seems to me, they must fell like they are going to go home smelling like gas any way, so what are a few more drops vs. I'm normally trying to go somewhere where I don't want to smell like gas so am extra careful not to spill it.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

How does what he said differ from W ?

And how does the base feel about W these days?

[mjah]

As such, they figured that they had a choice.
Have motorists pay 2 cents/gallon estra, to pay somebody to pump the gas.
Have the taxpayers pay people to not pump gas.
I'm fine with the idea of paying people to do a frankly menial task in a situation where it incurs no additional major costs etc., vs. paying them to do nothing. At least you get something for your money.

But in the case of NJ's mandatory full-serve law, there actually is a cost. Look at all of the people waiting in line at busy NJ pumps during peak travel times (which is when the largest number of people need gas). Rush hour, holidays, weekend travel... all of those people are being inconvenienced. It's costing them their time. Some of those rest-stop lines can be 15-20 minutes long during peak travel, or longer. I've occasionally waited longer than that, when I was really low on gas and hit a 25-minute line.

I wonder how many collective worker hours are lost each week in NJ, due to waiting for slow attendants with zero incentive to work quickly. Self-serve customers, by contrast, have an incentive to be done quickly and get moving -- and they actually can stand there and watch their own individual pump until it stops. There's no waiting for the attendant to shuffle around and finally notice that it's done.

So I'm not sold on the idea that the trade-off is worth it. Arguably the gasoline might be pumped more efficiently if the workers are paid to stay home!


I don't understand the mandatory full-serve gas (Though it is actually really nice in the winter. I hate being on the way back from the in-laws and on the PA turnpike on a winter night and looking at my gas guage and thinking, 'I'm not going to make it back to NJ.').
Not to suggest that you're framing it as black-and-white, but it's better to be cold for a few minutes at a self-serve pump than to run out of gas and be cold for many many minutes. And there are plenty of voluntary full-serve stations all over the nation. Surely you'll find a few along any long driving route, with a few trips' worth of investigation. It's the mandatory aspect in NJ that bothers me.


The other excuse they give in NJ is environmental. The people that pump the gas are suppossed to be more careful in terms of not spilling it, though that doesn't seem to be the case from what I've observed.
Agreed. About 6-7 years ago I ran into some interesting study results on safety at full- vs. self-serve pumps. I haven't looked for them again but basically there was no substantial difference found between the two. I imagine that the environmental differences would be pretty marginal too.

[Larry]

But in the case of NJ's mandatory full-serve law, there actually is a cost. Look at all of the people waiting in line at busy NJ pumps during peak travel times (which is when the largest number of people need gas). Rush hour, holidays, weekend travel... all of those people are being inconvenienced. It's costing them their time. Some of those rest-stop lines can be 15-20 minutes long during peak travel, or longer. I've occasionally waited longer than that, when I was really low on gas and hit a 25-minute line.

You're saying that there aren't enough gas stations to fill the demand?

Sounds like a job for . . . the market.

:)

[twa]

And how does the base feel about W these days?

Obama is making him more popular every day.:ols:

My point being simply refuting prejudice is not gonna hurt Christie any more than it did W.

it is nothing but a talking point among the fringe.

[mjah]

You're saying that there aren't enough gas stations to fill the demand?

Sounds like a job for . . . the market.

:)
Well, there's the issue of peak demand (which IMO the full-serve setup addresses HORRIBLY) vs. off-peak demand (which full-serve addresses adequately most of the time). Serving customers much better at times when customer density is highest very well might not justify opening stations or even expanding the existing stations, in the eyes of station owners. People absolutely have to put gas in their cars either way and are unlikely to completely abandon trips due to highly inconvenient fueling stops. Stations make their money either way.

Then there's the issue of this problem on the Turnpike, and working with the NJ Turnpike Authority to theoretically add/expand stations. No idea what that's like...

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Obama is making him more popular every day.:ols:

My point being simply refuting prejudice is not gonna hurt Christie any more than it did W.

it is nothing but a talking point among the fringe.

Honestly, I'm not so sure the "fringe" is actually the "fringe".


Just look at how many GOP voters believed that the president wasn't a citizen.


Disturbing to say the least. :(

[PeterMP]

INot to suggest that you're framing it as black-and-white, but it's better to be cold for a few minutes at a self-serve pump than to run out of gas and be cold for many many minutes. And there are plenty of voluntary full-serve stations all over the nation. Surely you'll find a few along any long driving route, with a few trips' worth of investigation. It's the mandatory aspect in NJ that bothers me.
Well, they only time I've run out of gas was in DE waiting to get out of the mall parking lot shortly before Christmas when a 5 minute trip from the mall to the gas station ended up taking an hour and a half.

But I also pay less for the full serve in NJ than the self serve in PA. I have no idea what PA full serve prices are, but there is no way I want to pay them.

[Larry]

You folks have full serv stations?

I can't remember the last time I saw one.

[Rdskns2000]

You folks have full serv stations?

I can't remember the last time I saw one.

Isn't that a law there. NJ is stupid to think the world still needs full service gas station attendants.


Christie is loved by that demoness Ann Coulter. She wants him to run.

[Predicto]

Christie is loved by that demoness Ann Coulter. She wants him to run.

His wife wants him to run too. With that weight problem, he needs to run off a few pounds or he is gonna have a coronary.


(Cheap shot fired at one of the few conservatives I currently admire - booyah!!!)

[twa]

Honestly, I'm not so sure the "fringe" is actually the "fringe".

:(

If so you better buckle up

[Larry]

Honestly, I'm not so sure the "fringe" is actually the "fringe".


Just look at how many GOP voters believed that the president wasn't a citizen.


Disturbing to say the least. :(

I quoted an article, in the debt ceiling thread, that concluded by mentioning that a majority of Republicans favored not raising the debt ceiling at all.

(Although I haven't seen such a poll referenced, anywhere else. Which makes me a bit suspicious.)

[twa]

I quoted an article, in the debt ceiling thread, that concluded by mentioning that a majority of Republicans favored not raising the debt ceiling at all.

(Although I haven't seen such a poll referenced, anywhere else. Which makes me a bit suspicious.)

Not hard to find,however it is the majority of Americans opposed..not just Reps(though they are the highest % opposed)

naturally the Dems are the outliers,having never seen a spending increase intolerable themselves
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148454/Debt-Ceiling-Increase-Remains-Unpopular-Americans.aspx


Bottom Line

Despite intense lobbying of Congress by President Obama, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, and others in the administration about the economic urgency for raising the nation's debt limit, fewer than one in four Americans favor the general idea of raising it. Also, Americans are significantly more concerned about the budgetary risk of giving the government a new license to spend than they are about the potential economic consequences that would result from not raising the debt limit.

[Larry]

Not hard to find,however it is the majority of Americans opposed..not just Reps(though they are the highest % opposed)

Interesting poll, but it's sure different from the one I quoted. That one said something like "a slim majority of Republicans" favored not raising it. Hardly describes these numbers.

I'm wondering what the difference was. Were these people expressing their opinions on one or more debt ceiling deals?

I dunno.

[twa]

Interesting poll, but it's sure different from the one I quoted. That one said something like "a slim majority of Republicans" favored not raising it. Hardly describes these numbers.

I'm wondering what the difference was. Were these people expressing their opinions on one or more debt ceiling deals?

I dunno.

Probably a Think Progress headline stuck in your head;)

that poll was early based on what they know of proposed deals on raising it

ya want a later one?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147524/americans-oppose-raising-debt-ceiling.aspx

hundreds of them out there

[mjah]

But I also pay less for the full serve in NJ than the self serve in PA. I have no idea what PA full serve prices are, but there is no way I want to pay them.
NJ prices would be ever lower if they had such a thing as self serve. :-)

Every state gets you somehow, though. There's no way I would want to pay NJ property taxes.

[Larry]

NJ prices would be ever lower if they had such a thing as self serve. :-)

Dunno if it's still true. But when self serve first came out, gas stations gave people the choice of self- or full-.

And the price difference between the two was 2 cents a gallon.

Now yeah, 2 cents a gallon cheaper is cheaper. But it's hardly a revolutionary windfall for the consumer.

[Seabee1973]

As someone who had to suffer thru the successive disasters of McGreevey and Corzine, I love the guy. My wife, who is a public school teacher, is less enthused...

Your wife must belong to a teachers union

[mjah]

Dunno if it's still true. But when self serve first came out, gas stations gave people the choice of self- or full-.

And the price difference between the two was 2 cents a gallon.

Now yeah, 2 cents a gallon cheaper is cheaper. But it's hardly a revolutionary windfall for the consumer.
These days I think the typical difference is about 5-10 cents per gallon.

As of right now, GasBuddy lists the average price difference between PA and NJ (the two states discussed previously) as 8 cents per gallon.

So to the degree that one difference is significant, the other is too. Presumably, if self-serve was legal in NJ and they had the same self- vs. full-serve price structure as an average state, NJ's self-serve prices would be 5-10 cents lower too. That would move it from 20th cheapest gas state in the nation to about, uhh... 17th. Hmm.

[The Evil Genius]

These days I think the typical difference is about 5-10 cents per gallon.

As of right now, GasBuddy lists the average price difference between PA and NJ (the two states discussed previously) as 8 cents per gallon.

So to the degree that one difference is significant, the other is too. Presumably, if self-serve was legal in NJ and they had the same self- vs. full-serve price structure as an average state, NJ's self-serve prices would be 5-10 cents lower too. That would move it from 20th cheapest gas state in the nation to about, uhh... 17th. Hmm.

State taxation on gasoline makes up the biggest difference.

Pennsylvania charges 45.2 cents per gallon in state taxes.

NJ charges 23.5 cents per gallon.

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