Who are your RBs/WRS that make the final Roster?

[Skins199021]

If there is a thread like this sorry, but really want to get everyone's opinion on this because it is kind of tough

Who are your 3 RBS and 5 WRs? and 6th receiver (in case they go with 6)

It is actually kind of tough because its hard to see which young players and veterans will be more beneficial to the team.

Mine

3 RBs:
1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Torain

I could see shanny switching up a lot. Like Helu and Torain switching every series and hightower coming in every 3rd down and some passing plays. That is just my opinion. I kind of rather keep Keiland Williams than Torain and put Royster on the PS but I feel like were in a good situation either way.

WRs:
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallworth
5. Hankerson
6. Austin/Banks*

Kelly is gone, he cannot stay healthy. Personally I rather have austin over banks because banks is way to injury prone and 1 dimensional, and Austin is a good returner and seems to be a nice WR as well that can take a hit without breaking.

Just curious to see what everyone else thinks of this. And if there is another thread like this my apologies and feel free to move it, I just couldn't find one

[Coolio47]

I originally said Kelly in place of Stallworth, but now it's just impossible for him to make the team.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

What you have, but no Stallworth.

Hail.

[gchwood]

I have this gut feeling that Torain may get cut in favor of Royster

[SWFLSkins]

3 RBs:
1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Torain

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Mike may love RB's but he never falls in love with anyone in particular, for that reason Torain better get well soon.

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WRs:
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallworth
5. Hankerson
6. Austin/Banks*

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Stallworth will not be joining the party over Austin or Banks, IMO.

[Santana_89]

RBs:

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Torain

WR's:

1.Moss
2.Gaffney
3.Armstrong
4.Austin
5.Banks
6.Paul/Hankerson

Kelly would've been the 4th receiver imo instead of Austin but his injury solidified a roster spot for TA.

[skinsfan190]

The Wr cut will be brutal but i'm thinking
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Banks

PS. Niles Paul

[STBonecrusher21]

The Wr cut will be brutal but i'm thinking
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Banks

PS. Niles Paul

This is how I see it as well. Maybe flip-flop Hank and Austin though if thats the depth chart. TA has run great routes and caught everything thrown his way, and shown ability in STs. He's not going anywhere.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

RBs:

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Torain

WR's:

1.Moss
2.Gaffney
3.Armstrong
4.Austin
5.Hankerson
6.Paul

[terrifNick21]

The Wr cut will be brutal but i'm thinking
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Banks

PS. Niles Paul

Replace Banks with Paul and I agree with you.


I wouldn't be surprised if we kept 4 RBs and only 2 QBs.

And Banks as the 46th player, if he doesn't head to IR.

[skinsfan190]

This is how I see it as well. Maybe flip-flop Hank and Austin though if thats the depth chart. TA has run great routes and caught everything thrown his way, and shown ability in STs. He's not going anywhere.
Yea ur probaly right about Austin. I was a big Hankerson fan and still am but his hands are garbage. He needs to do something about that quick.

[Enter Apotheosis]

This is how I see it shaking out...

@RB:
Hightower
Helu
Royster (better vision than Torain, not injury prone)

If a 4th RB is kept it will probably be KW because of his ability to swing between RB and FB (a la Peyton Hillis). Draughn might wind up on the practice squad, although he's been fairly unimpressive so far.


@WR:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong (3a)
Austin (3b - really liked him as a rookie, he's only gotten better since)
Hankerson
Banks

I still feel like Paul can make it to the practice squad and Stallworth, while good, doesn't possess enough upside to warrant keeping.

[terrifNick21]

Yea ur probaly right about Austin. I was a big Hankerson fan and still am but his hands are garbage. He needs to do something about that quick.

It's not his hands. It's his concentration.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

And Banks as the 46th player, if he doesn't head to IR.

For those of us that are CBA challenged, what exactly is this 46th player thang?

Hail.

[terrifNick21]

For those of us that are CBA challenged, what exactly is this 46th player thang?

Hail.

The NFL made it to where you can have 46 active players instead of the 45 it has been for years. Normally, it's been the emergency QB, but it can be any position.

[HigSkin]

I have this gut feeling that Torain may get cut in favor of Royster

Or maybe there's some trade value for him. Allen seems to be a master at getting something for nothing, or in this case injury prone Torain.

Then that'd leave Hightower, Helu and Royster as our RB's. Not a bad group.

[STBonecrusher21]

The NFL made it to where you can have 46 active players instead of the 45 it has been for years. Normally, it's been the emergency QB, but it can be any position.

Awesome. Did not know that. That's definitely where Banks needs to be.

[SWFLSkins]

The Wr cut will be brutal but i'm thinking
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Banks

PS. Niles Paul

That's what I am thinking too. When a decision is difficult because of the choices to be made, how good is that?

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

The NFL made it to where you can have 46 active players instead of the 45 it has been for years. Normally, it's been the emergency QB, but it can be any position.

On game day? SWEET! Thank you. Although I've never gotten why all 53 can't be dressed. Hell knows we pay them enough to not be allowed to use them all come Sunday.

Hail.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallworth
5. Paul
6. Austin

Banks and Torain to IR after 4th ps game.
Hankerson to PS

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

This is how I see it shaking out...

@RB:
Hightower
Helu
Royster (better vision than Torain, not injury prone)

If a 4th RB is kept it will probably be KW because of his ability to swing between RB and FB (a la Peyton Hillis). Draughn might wind up on the practice squad, although he's been fairly unimpressive so far.


@WR:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong (3a)
Austin (3b - really liked him as a rookie, he's only gotten better since)
Hankerson
Banks

I still feel like Paul can make it to the practice squad and Stallworth, while good, doesn't possess enough upside to warrant keeping.

This is about where I am with the WR/RB depth chart as well. Royster is a power runner, though not as much power as Torain, but he's also faster, possesses good vision and may even be a better pass blocker. Biggest plus is that he can stay healthy.

At WR I just feel like Stallworth doesn't provide any thing over what Gaffney, Moss and Armstrong have to offer. Plus he's more of an injury risk. I'd rather keep an extra young guy, over Stallworth at the 4-6 spots. I do think that Paul could steal a spot from Banks if Banks can't get healthy, and stay healthy throughout the rest of preseason.

[skinsfan190]

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallworth
5. Paul
6. Austin

Banks and Torain to IR after 4th ps game.
Hankerson to PS

The thing about Hankerson is he wouldn't make it to PS. Another team would def claim him off waivers. He is a very good player he's proved he can get open. Just gotta catch it.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallworth
5. Paul
6. Austin

Banks and Torain to IR after 4th ps game.
Hankerson to PS

There is no way in hell Hankerson clears Waivers for our practice squad. He would immediately be picked up by another team. That's like throwing away a 3rd round draft pick.

[Blue Collar Skins]

I have this gut feeling that Torain may get cut in favor of Royster I think he may be traded and not cut.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

At WR I just feel like Stallworth doesn't provide any thing over what Gaffney, Moss and Armstrong have to offer. Plus he's more of an injury risk. I'd rather keep an extra young guy, over Stallworth at the 4-6 spots. I do think that Paul could steal a spot from Banks if Banks can't get healthy, and stay healthy throughout the rest of preseason.

I agree with you completely.

[tml6157]

Yeah I dont get why you cant dress all 53. Honestly I think they need to increase the roster sizes to say 60. I dont get what the harm is. With the violence of today's NFL and the amount of injuries you would think they would let teams carry a few more players. Anyway back on topic. I reall see us making a non normal move at a position this year. For example 2 QBs or 1 FB or something like that. As far as RBs are concerned. To me Torain and Hightower have too similar of a running style to both be kept. The comments from Allen about trades has me feeling like Torain might be on the move. I think its safe to say that Hightower will be starting. He deserves it and has looked like a total beast in this one cut running system. Royster reminds of a grinder. Wont break many long TD runs but he can consistently give you a 3-5 yard gain when he carries the ball. Helu as a homerun threat and Hightower as the feature/3rd down/blitz pickup RB.

RBs:
Hightower
Helu
Royster

As far as WRs, well Im glad I dont have to make the decision. This is going to be extremely tough. Everyone, myself included, counted Stallworth as a camp fodded but he is determined as ever to make this team. I have a feeling Banks will end up on the IR. Going to see Dr. Andrews is usually not a good thing, just ask Kelly. Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong and Hankerson are locks to me. I could actually see us doing something crazy and keeping 7 WRs if Banks is not IR'ed. So its down do to Stallworth, Austin and Paul for just three spots. Austin is a shoe in to me. He has done everything this coaching staff wanted of him and has improved extremely well. His route running is crisp, his hands are like glue and he plays special teams. I see so much potential in Paul. He is quick, plays special teams, can catch very well and has the potential to be a top 3 WR on this team. Im trying so hard to not like Stallworth because I dont want to lose a young WR but I can not like him from what Ive seen so far. If he is cut I can easily see him going to NY or Dallas. I dont think Paul will make the PS. Someone will grab him. What I really like about our WRs is we would have two waves of players in the group. You have the here and now vets in Moss, Gaffney and Armstrong. Then you have the future top 3 in Hankerson, Paul and Austin. Hank your #1, Austin your slot and Paul your vertical threat. So as of right now I have it as follows:

1 - Moss
2 - Gaffney
3 - Armstrong
4 - Austin
5 - Hankerson
6 - Paul
7 - Stallworth (very close to #6)
IR - Banks

[HogHeaven84]

I keep hearing how the skins are looking to trade someone, and then I hear talk about Torrain not making the final roster....ummm, I don't know about that. I don't think he gets cut...he's young, Shanny's liked him since he drafted him in Denver, and he's got tremendous upside (despite being similar to Hightower.) Having multiple good RB's is a good thing, plus with Torrain's injury issues how much trade value does a running back have in today's NFL? I say that because here's my prediction:

3RB's
1. Hightower
2. Torrain
3. Helu
Practice Squad: Royster- I just don't see royster betting out Torrain...he's not as good of a blocker, and torrain's more knowledgeable about the offense. I just don't see two rookie rb's making the roster.

6 WR's
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4.Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Stallworth
Practice Squad: Paul

I would absolute love to see Niles Paul and Banks make it, but....I just don't see it happening as of yet.

[SWFLSkins]

The thing about Hankerson is he wouldn't make it to PS. Another team would def claim him off waivers. He is a very good player he's proved he can get open. Just gotta catch it.


There is no way in hell Hankerson clears Waivers for our practice squad. He would immediately be picked up by another team. That's like throwing away a 3rd round draft pick.

Yeah, most have been saying this. And it makes sense, there were other teams interested in Hankerson and he has nothing but upside. I am sure some other team would love to take our 2011 third round pick from us. Hankerson is going to be a good wideout in the redzone and the team needs that. He fixed his drops at Miami and is a hard worker, there is no reason he would not develop here.

[CPORTISFAN999]

ughhhhh why are people basically writing off malcolm kelly? he practiced 5 days straight, but then his foot was sore. he had this time to hopefully get healthy again, and im betting he will be on the field against the ravens and bucs and making the most out of his opportunity. 2 more preseason games, he can do it. call me stupid or whatever you want, even argue with me. but thats my honest opinion.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

ughhhhh why are people basically writing off malcolm kelly? he practiced 5 days straight, but then his foot was sore. he had this time to hopefully get healthy again, and im betting he will be on the field against the ravens and bucs and making the most out of his opportunity. 2 more preseason games, he can do it. call me stupid or whatever you want, even argue with me. but thats my honest opinion.

That would be great. But the fact of the matter is that the guy is unavailable for the second preseason in a row. Whereas all of the other guys have game tape, and 2/3 weeks of training camps to fall back on. The injury hurts Kelly's value because he's shown that it's not just a once every now and then thing. It's almost every year.

[burg&gold4life]

Yeah I dont get why you cant dress all 53. Honestly I think they need to increase the roster sizes to say 60. I dont get what the harm is. With the violence of today's NFL and the amount of injuries you would think they would let teams carry a few more players. Anyway back on topic. I reall see us making a non normal move at a position this year. For example 2 QBs or 1 FB or something like that. As far as RBs are concerned. To me Torain and Hightower have too similar of a running style to both be kept. The comments from Allen about trades has me feeling like Torain might be on the move. I think its safe to say that Hightower will be starting. He deserves it and has looked like a total beast in this one cut running system. Royster reminds of a grinder. Wont break many long TD runs but he can consistently give you a 3-5 yard gain when he carries the ball. Helu as a homerun threat and Hightower as the feature/3rd down/blitz pickup RB.

RBs:
Hightower
Helu
Royster

As far as WRs, well Im glad I dont have to make the decision. This is going to be extremely tough. Everyone, myself included, counted Stallworth as a camp fodded but he is determined as ever to make this team. I have a feeling Banks will end up on the IR. Going to see Dr. Andrews is usually not a good thing, just ask Kelly. Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong and Hankerson are locks to me. I could actually see us doing something crazy and keeping 7 WRs if Banks is not IR'ed. So its down do to Stallworth, Austin and Paul for just three spots. Austin is a shoe in to me. He has done everything this coaching staff wanted of him and has improved extremely well. His route running is crisp, his hands are like glue and he plays special teams. I see so much potential in Paul. He is quick, plays special teams, can catch very well and has the potential to be a top 3 WR on this team. Im trying so hard to not like Stallworth because I dont want to lose a young WR but I can not like him from what Ive seen so far. If he is cut I can easily see him going to NY or Dallas. I dont think Paul will make the PS. Someone will grab him. What I really like about our WRs is we would have two waves of players in the group. You have the here and now vets in Moss, Gaffney and Armstrong. Then you have the future top 3 in Hankerson, Paul and Austin. Hank your #1, Austin your slot and Paul your vertical threat. So as of right now I have it as follows:

1 - Moss
2 - Gaffney
3 - Armstrong
4 - Austin
5 - Hankerson
6 - Paul
7 - Stallworth (very close to #6)
IR - Banks

I am right there with your view, and we would not have to draft another RB or WR for the next 2-3 years. Going young this year will free us to draft other positions of greater need next year.

Hail!

[skinsfan190]

ughhhhh why are people basically writing off malcolm kelly?
U do realize he's been hurt since the first time he put on cleats. Great talent, good guy but his body isn't gonna let him play consistency. We can no longer wait for him period. And I've been a huge supporter of his. I actually wanted us to draft him unlike most on here who predicted his knees were shot and he wouldn't be able to stay healthy.

[tibbidoe]

RBs:
Hightower
Helu
Royster

I like ATV, but if he can't stay healthy, then he's only slightly more valuable to the team than I am.

WRs:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Paul
Banks/Austin

Wouldn't mind seeing us keep all of them, whether Banks gets IR'd or not.

[HigSkin]

Match these WR's with their respective preseason catches:

A. Moss
B. Gaffney
C. Armstrong
D. Austin
E. Stallworth
F. Hankerson
G. Paul

1. 4 rec - 96 yds
2. 8 rec - 77 yds
3. 4 rec - 41 yds
4. 1 rec - 16 yds
5. 4 rec - 54 yds
6. 5 rec - 69 yds
7. 6 rec - 57 yds

It's interesting who is getting their opportunities.

[burg&gold4life]

Moss 8 rec 77 yards
Gaffney 6 rec 57 yards
Austin 5 rec 69 yards
Stallworth 4 rec 69 yards
Armstrong 4 rec 41 yards
Hankerson 4 rec 54 yards
Paul 1 rec 16 yards

Gaffney and Austin seem to be getting more looks other than the MAN Santana.

What do I win? hahaha

[KDawg]

Who are your 3 RBS and 5 WRs? and 6th receiver (in case they go with 6)


Right now, based on everything, including injuries?

RBs: (4)
Torain
Hightower
Royster
Helu

WRs: (5)
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin

PS:
Paul
Robinson

IR:
Banks

[Mr. Grundle]

WR is going to be the toughest cut because you can make an argument for keeping every one of these guys. And that's not counting Malcolm Kelly.

Moss, Gaffney, and Armstrong are locks. Considering the lack of big-play guys on the roster, you pretty much have to keep Banks. And if you keep Banks, you pretty much have to keep Austin. Banks can't be counted on to stay healthy for 16 games so you need Austin's return ability as a backup. Not to mention Austin has played well enough to crack roster as a sure-handed WR anyway. You have to keep Hankerson regardless of the drops or else he gets snatched up quickly off the PS. Also he's a good blocker for a WR which is important in this scheme. Gotta roll the dice on this kid and hope that he will eventually learn to look the ball into his hands. I'd like to PS Niles Paul but don't know if he'll last there either. Stallworth has shown the ability that has allowed him to put up big numbers in the past.

I guess for my 4th/5th/6th receiver I'd try to stay young.

1. Moss
2. Armstrong
3. Gaffney
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6. Paul
7. Banks

Find a way to keep all these guys and carry 2 QB's or something.

[HigSkin]

Moss 8 rec 77 yards
Gaffney 6 rec 57 yards
Austin 5 rec 69 yards
Stallworth 4 rec 69 yards
Armstrong 4 rec 41 yards
Hankerson 4 rec 54 yards
Paul 1 rec 16 yards

Gaffney and Austin seem to be getting more looks other than the MAN Santana.

What do I win? hahaha

How about an at-a-boy? :ols: BTW - Stallworth has 96 yds.

The point is as you mentioned but I would add Stallworth to Gaffney and Austin. Also, I think if you include the drops, Hank is getting attention.

[bowhunter]

Now THT deserves a name for his cult followers. "The High Tower of Hightower"

[mi6]

Here's my take...




RBs:

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster

Unfortunately, Torrain is way too injury prone to justify making the 53. He had last year to seal the starting RB job as his, but failed.

WR's:

1.Moss
2.Gaffney
3.Armstrong
4.Paul
5.Hankerson
6.Austin

Unfortunately, despite being talented Bank doesn't make the cut. His knee hasn't healed, and remains a liability, Austin is bigger, stronger, and more talented as a WR. And, we do need fresh WRs in Shanny's scheme.

When compared to most NFL teams, we seriously lack Tall and Strong receivers ... and, hence, I think Gaffney, Paul and Hankerson make the cut. The young guns are talented, and have size as well as speed!

[torch7]

The Wr cut will be brutal but i'm thinking
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Banks

PS. Niles Paul

Agreed. Hopefully Hankerson gets comfortable and comes into his own. I have big expectations for him. I'd hate to see another 50/50.

[acuratl1984]

RBs

Hightower
Helu
Royster

IR: Torain

WR
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

[tex]

1. Hightower
2. Torain
3. Helu

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Stallworth
4. Armstrong
5. Austin
6. Hankerson

[Hitman21ST]

RBs:

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster

- Torain gets traded to Detroit (Best has a concussion, Leshoure out for the season) or Arizona (Ryan Williams out for season)

WRs:

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Paul
6. Banks/Austin

[Newera]

If Royster has a good day against the Ravens (a tough defense), he could force the Skins to cut or trade Torrain.

[tibbidoe]

If Royster has a good day against the Ravens (a tough defense), he could force the Skins to cut or trade Torrain.

Is he expected to start?

[Houston2Taylor2Landry]

I don't understand why people would rather have Royster than Torain. The guy that ran for 750 yards in 10 games last year....Even if Torain is injury prone, it's not like he's getting paid big bucks to be injured. Royster gets paid more I believe. Hightower, Helu, and Torain is a NICE backfield.....I seriously don't understand why we should let him go...Trade him...Maybe.

[Hitman21ST]

Trade him...Maybe.

That's what I think will happen. Detroit is looking like they'll need a RB (Best is concussed, Leshoure is out for a while), so is Arizona (Ryan Williams out for the season, possibly career)

[Die Hard]

B]RBs:[/B]

1. Hightower
2. Torrain
3. Helu


WR's:

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Paul

Rebuild. Austin/Paul can take return duties and be viable receivers. Banks get either cut or goes in IR. Stallworth gets traded..... but most likely released.

It's time to rebuild. You make difficult decisions... but you keep the young guys always. Even if it means cutting a veteran who can help you today... for a young player who is more valuable down the road.

[tibbidoe]

That's what I think will happen. Detroit is looking like they'll need a RB (Best is concussed, Leshoure is out for a while), so is Arizona (Ryan Williams out for the season, possibly career)

Career? Really? Hokie fan, watched him live last year. Was hoping for big things for him...

[Hitman21ST]

Career? Really? Hokie fan, watched him live last year. Was hoping for big things for him...

Torn patellar tendon - VERY serious. Definitely out for the year. Depending on how severe it is, could mean longer.

[Boss_Hogg]

Can they keep 4 RBs?

RB
Torain
Helu
Hightower
*Royster

WR
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Hankerson

[Hitman21ST]

Can they keep 4 RBs?

RB
Torain
Helu
Hightower
*Royster

WR
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Hankerson

With as much as Hightower, Helu, and Royster have shown, it's going to be hard to keep four RBs on the roster. Makes more sense to keep 6 WRs than 4 RBs.

[HailSkins83]

RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain

WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Banks

PS: Royster, Paul

I wouldnt have a problem dropping Banks and adding Paul to the active roster if his knee proves to be a problem.

I like Stallworth but not sure it Shanny wants to keep 3 vets and sacrifice youth to do so...

[El-Rey]

I understand Banks is going to visit Dr. Andrews, but are people sure the injury is that serious? Was his knee condition worsened in the Steelers game? I was originally pretty unsure about keeping him, but damn, I would really miss seeing that little man back there. A homerun threat every single time he touches the ball, that is not something that grows on trees.

[Koolblue13]

I can see us IRing Banks and Torrain, just to stash on the roster. Maybe even Kelly.

[littleskins]

Rbs
Hightower
Helu
Royster/Torrain


Wrs
Moss
Gafney
Armstrong
Austin/Stallworth
Hankerson
Paul/Banks

Very difficult decisions to be made this year. They say it every year, but this year it's actually true. Do you pick the rookie Paul over Banks; tough. How about Austin, who hasn't had any regular season games under his belt, over Stallworth, a proven veteran. All the single names I think are going to make it. Yes even Hankerson, let's be honest he only dropped two balls. Both of which he didn't look the ball in, turning his head before he caught it. He'll be fine.

[darrelgreenie]

Who I would keep? or who I think they will keep?

Me: Hightower, Helu, Williams
Practice squad Royster
WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Stallworth, Hankerson, Austin,
Practice sqaud: Robinson, Paul

[jayneal7]

RB's
1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster

WR's
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Hankerson
5. Austin
6. Banks

Keeping Stallworth over Austin would kind of suck, but I could live with it. Banks is a freak & needs to stay Weapon X for us - rule change or not...

[DavidGQ]

If we put any of our RB on PS, he will be claimed by needy teams.
Stallworth needs to be on the team. For those who said he shouldn't because of his past or his age, you need to see who he performed during TC and the first 2 preseason games. I wouldn't be surprised if we trade Torrain to Detroit or AZ. Heck, the next 2 weeks, if any tearms lose RBs, we are good to go. We can have only either Bank or Austin. Bank needs to be healthy the next 2 weeks or he's gone since I think they like Austin/Paul better. Austin is getting the opportunity for the next 2 weeks to return kicks.

This is funny how it's tough for us this year since we are so deep in RB and WR. Next year draft will be QB, OL, CB.

[SpacePenguin]

RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain

WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Banks

PS: Royster, Paul

I wouldnt have a problem dropping Banks and adding Paul to the active roster if his knee proves to be a problem.

I like Stallworth but not sure it Shanny wants to keep 3 vets and sacrifice youth to do so...

I was going to post mine, but this is it. If they think Paul can pass waivers on PS, then keep Banks....if not keep Paul and cut him.

[terpfan]

Hightower
Train
Helu

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin
Banks if he's healthy, otherwise Stallworth or Paul

PS Paul

If Austin doesn't make the team now I'm gonna be upset

[WyomingRedskin]

RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain

FB: Young, Williams

WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Banks

I think Austin and Stallworth fight over a spot. I'd take the young player who can return kicks and who has upside over an underachiever.

[tex]

1. Hightower
2. Torain
3. Helu

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6. Paul

Slept on it and decided to change my WR group. Stallworth out, Paul in. At this point in their careers, Paul's upside trumps Stallworth's experience. In a year or two Paul could be a beast whereas Stallworth's best years will behind him.

Reviewed the RB group and though I like Royster, ATV still gets the nod. Hightower and Helu will take some of the load off ATV and at 25 yrs. of age ATVs two or three best years should be right in front of him. ATV has shown that when healthy he can get the job done, Royster has yet to prove himself in the NFL. Royster to the PS or perhaps trade him to a RB hungry team.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I don't think Stallworth should be on the team if he's a "fringe" receiver. Stallworth should really be battling for the #3 WR spot. 4th or lower it would be much more valuable to have youth like Austin or Hankerson. Stallworth at the 6th spot is completely laughable, there is no reason whatsover to have him on the team as the #6 WR.

[Brett81]

3 RBs:
1. Hightower
2. Helu
3a. Royster
3b. Torain

Shanny is a runningback guy, and he can never have enough of them available. That being said, I don't doubt there will be 4 rb's carried during certain weeks when running the ball will be absolutely essential. If you don't agree with that, just look at the head coach's history.

WRs:
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4a. Hankerson
4b. Austin
4c. Paul

I think any one of the bottom 3 guys will be interchangeable once the season starts and everyone settles into a groove. I think because of his play as a wideout and returning, that Paul gets the nod over BBanks...love ya kid, but he's been producing and looks like he's taking your spot from last year. BBanks goes to PS and comes in, in a reserve role and to return kicks where we go against teams with poor ST to take advantage of the matchup.

This is just my opinion obviously, but with an unknown year ahead, I really believe Shanny will keep enough skill position players available at ALL TIMES in case this QB rotation goes horribly wrong...he's gonna need playmakers to bail the offense out if things go awry.

HAIL

[Jethrodsp]

Hightower
Torain
Helu

Moss
Gafney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin
Banks

Royster and Paul to the practice squad.

[tex]

Don't forget that Shanny loves him Darrel Young. The team could go with three backs while Young would be available to take snaps at RB as necessary?

[SWFLSkins]

Most are picking Torain to make it, but I am not so sure at this point.

[Monk in the Hall!]

Hightower
Torain
Helu

Moss
Gafney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin
Paul or Kelly

IR- Banks
PS- Royster

I am one of those rare breeds that think Kelly will show up on Thurs and catch 4 balls for 68yds. I dont think Stallworth has a chance because we are building for the long haul. Paul could develop. If Bruce thinks Paul could make it to PS after getting cut- then that might be the way to go. In that case, Stallworth/Kelly would be the issue (I would go with Kelly). Again, my perspective is the long term. In 2-3 years, is Kelly or Stallworth likely to make a difference (I know the BIG if- can Kelly even get into a car without injuring himself). If Kelly can show anything (I can literally feel the egg on my face now, BTW), he is a great long term prospect (I know.. I know). Paul can play special teams and, well-- is not Kelly. So I think the brass may lean towards him.

As for Banks- a rebuilding team does not have much room for gadget guys who are not likely to take the pounding of NFL for long. This guys body is just not NFL material. Fully realize that his knee could turnaround and he could making us pay with another team. Thats why IR is the best step.

As for Royster- he is solid but not "special". I would be fine with him on the roster if Torain gets traded- but I also think he would be ok on PS. I think backs like him can be found out there around cut time.

[tml6157]

I don't understand why people would rather have Royster than Torain. The guy that ran for 750 yards in 10 games last year....Even if Torain is injury prone, it's not like he's getting paid big bucks to be injured. Royster gets paid more I believe. Hightower, Helu, and Torain is a NICE backfield.....I seriously don't understand why we should let him go...Trade him...Maybe.

Because Torain and Hightower have a very similar skill set and Torain is always hurt.

[Morneblade]

3 RBs:
1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Torain

WRs:
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallworth
5. Austin
6. Banks

PS Hankerson

[Wyvern]

I suspect injuries and trades will clear some of the log-jam. So I can't post a list -- more like comments on what I think might happen.

1. Niles Paul may be headed for the PS. But definitely not Hankerson, who's going to be stashed on the active roster, even if he doesn't show much. Too much potential to drop Hankerson early.

2. Banks may be headed for IR. There's too much knee swelling for as few plays as he participates in. Stash him away, let him heal up -- and figure how he can play in other roles than simply punt returns. (Folks, the kickoff return is not going to be much of a factor, after this rule change.)

3. Kelly's time on the IR has run out-- he's got to show significantly better than Stallworth and Hankerson, simply to stay in the league now, much less with the Redskins. I think the only way he sticks with the Skins now, is if several other WRs get injured -- and even then it'll be diffcult to gamble on Kelly staying healthy for a full season. What a disappointing career.

4. I suspect that Stallworth, Torain, Royster, and a 'healthy' Kelly are probably trade bait. I think Royster will be able to remain in the NFL as that 'supporting cast running back who every team needs.' Consequently, I hope we find a way to hang onto that guy over Torain -- who seems to have "Kelly's Syndome".

5. Possible surprise trade. Another big concern is that some teams may be asking for Armstrong, who I think has now blossomed into a bonafide NFL WR. He's in a dog-fight with Gaffney, who's a solid WR, and I'm wondering if the numbers break the wrong way for Armstrong and the Skins FO tries to find a team for him. That would be sad.

6. WRs Barring injury and trade: Moss, Gaffney, Austin, Hankerson .... and Armstrong or Stallworth, .. and some young waiver-wire WR who becomes available. Robinson and Niles go to PS. Kelly released or traded. Banks stashed on IR along with Cooley.

7. RBs: Barring injury or trade: Hightower, Helu, Torain, and maybe Royster if there is room on special teams. Williams and Young as FB/HB -- Sellers is gone. If the Skins try to stash Royster on PS -- he'll never make it there, because some team will put him on their active roster.

[elkabong82]

RB: Hightower, Torain, Helu, K. Williams

Hightower is the leader right now, due to playing well and Torain being injured. As a 2nd back Torain's time is more limited than previously, which could help cut down on injuries. Helu has got himself a spot. I think we carry 4 RBs to start again and keep Keiland. Royster goes to PS, though if we trade Torain or cut Keiland, then I could see Royster staying as the 4th RB.

WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Stallworth, Hankerson, Paul, Austin: This battle is still on-going. Looking at who is starting in which quarters, I'd say Moss, Gaffney, and Armstrong are the first 3. Stallworth is stating his case, Hankerson you'll lose on PS and outside of a couple drops has been solid over the middle, Austin is making his case, and Paul has a lot of potential as a WR and has looked real good on special teams, where a 5th or 6th WR needs to shine.

I agree w/ others saying Banks goes on IR. The new kickoff rule has screwed him. He saw Dr. Andrews about the knee, so he'll probably need a while to heal up.

I'd say Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, and Hankerson are locks. Stallworth, Austin, and Paul are fighting over 2 spots. Austin has shined in the receiving game and return game, so right now I think Paul is headed for PS unless he can outshine Austin as a receiver in practice and in last 2 preseason games.

So if I had to put money on it, right now I'd go:

RB: Hightower, Torain, Helu, Keiland
WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Stallworth, Austin

[Spearfeather]

RB's: Torain, Hightower, Helu.

WR's: Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, Austin, Hankerson.

[abdcskins]

RBs: Hightower, Torian, Helu. I honestly can't see any other scenario. Torian showed last year that he can run the ball with strength. I don't think he is similar to Helu or Hightower at all. Those two are more speedy and elusive while Torain is a bulldozer who always falls forward.

WRs: Moss, Gaffney, Stallworth, Hankerson, Austin, Armstrong. Good mix of young and old. I don't see Paul or Banks as being better than any of those six.

[colkilla]

i saw a tweet for ed sheahin (sp?) who is at practices and such, basically an insider. he said he fully believes the team will keep 7 wr's (moss, gaffney, armstrong, stallworth, hank, austin, paul) and put banks on the IR. for me this is the best scenario. i LOVE austin, i think he is a poor man's desean jackson. he isn't as fast but is definitely as quick and gets that separation from db's to really get open. he just doesn't necessarily have the wheels to go the distance all the time like d-jax. either way he needs to make this team. i would like them shutting down banks and putting him on the ir so he can get fully healthy and not go somewhere else and haunt us like most guys do, for the rest of his career. rb i think torain, hightower and helu with royster on the ps. at least i hope we can stash royster on the ps until the inevitable torain injury. keiland gets cut i hope, no need for him i don't think. i have said it since last year he has no burst, not an nfl caliber player, at least not on a team that is going somewhere, so maybe he will fit in? i would like them to keep 5 rb's total, hightower, torain, royster and helu with young as the fb. young can run the ball if needed and could be that swing rb type the team needs i think. i just don't see them keeping that many of both positions so someone we think should make the 53 will not...

[Sekhmet187]

I wouldn't be surprised however if Stallworth is dangled as trade bait while Banks gets put on IR. Stallworth could definitely have value with his work ethic and how he still has explosiveness, so they might be able to get some young guy or a later round pick or something.

[Darth Tater]

On game day? SWEET! Thank you. Although I've never gotten why all 53 can't be dressed. Hell knows we pay them enough to not be allowed to use them all come Sunday.

Hail.
Mostly because the roster size was increased as a partial compromise for dropping the reserved part of the injured reserve and ending the practice of using the IR to extend the roster.

[Jericho]

Running backs

It's obvious that Hightower and Helu are locks. I still think Torain makes the roster, but it's no sure thing. I think Royster could slide through to the practice squad if wanted. But I also think one of these guys has to do some work on special teams. Williams does a lot of special team, which might be easier to keep a Torain if two FBs are kept.

Wide Receiver.

It's obvious that Moss, Gaffney, Hankerson, and Armstrong are locks. Austin is doing a lot to take a spot. If there's one more, I'm inclined to go Banks right now. Does depend on his health. Also depends on if a guy like Paul steps up in the next few weeks, Don't see how Stallworth makes this team as he's no better than the #4 receiver and doe snot play special teams. Why bother with a guy like that over several younger players (Paul, Robinson, Austin, Banks, hell even Kelly)

[Darth Tater]

I wouldn't be surprised however if Stallworth is dangled as trade bait while Banks gets put on IR. Stallworth could definitely have value with his work ethic and how he still has explosiveness, so they might be able to get some young guy or a later round pick or something.
Cut, traded or kept, so far, it looks like Stallworth will be playing for somebody on Sunday.

[tex]

7. RBs: Barring injury or trade: Hightower, Helu, Torain, and maybe Royster if there is room on special teams. Williams and Young as FB/HB -- Sellers is gone. If the Skins try to stash Royster on PS -- he'll never make it there, because some team will put him on their active roster.

Might work the other way round with Sellers making the team as a backup tight end and backup FB with Young penciled in as the starting FB. Williams could be gone.

[Captain Injury]

Austin looked extremely slow for his size v Indy. Anybody think so?

[TheShredder]

WR is going to be the toughest cut because you can make an argument for keeping every one of these guys. And that's not counting Malcolm Kelly.

Moss, Gaffney, and Armstrong are locks. Considering the lack of big-play guys on the roster, you pretty much have to keep Banks. And if you keep Banks, you pretty much have to keep Austin. Banks can't be counted on to stay healthy for 16 games so you need Austin's return ability as a backup. Not to mention Austin has played well enough to crack roster as a sure-handed WR anyway. You have to keep Hankerson regardless of the drops or else he gets snatched up quickly off the PS. Also he's a good blocker for a WR which is important in this scheme. Gotta roll the dice on this kid and hope that he will eventually learn to look the ball into his hands. I'd like to PS Niles Paul but don't know if he'll last there either. Stallworth has shown the ability that has allowed him to put up big numbers in the past.

I guess for my 4th/5th/6th receiver I'd try to stay young.

1. Moss
2. Armstrong
3. Gaffney
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6. Paul
7. Banks

Find a way to keep all these guys and carry 2 QB's or something.

No need for 3 QB's this year. Beck/Rex and the kid on the PS.

[kubstix]

I can't believe the no love for Torain. I love what I see in Hightower. He reminds me of Steven Jackson and Benjarvis Green-Ellis in running style. We can't give up on Torain though. He is cheap and provides a different running style when needed. Since he is the complete opposite of Helu and Hightower, we need the bruiser RB who just trucks through a crowd. It's a nice complement to a speester.

[abdcskins]

I love what I see in Hightower. He reminds me of Steven Jackson and Benjarvis Green-Ellis in running style.

Just because they all have dreadlocks huh? :pfft:

[whatmeworry]

Torain has a broken hand. It's not a knee or something chronic. I believe we keep 4 backs. Toraiin/Hightower/Royster/Helu.
i don't think Paul or Royster would clear waivers so it might be a mistake to try and put them on the PS.

[justice98]

ughhhhh why are people basically writing off malcolm kelly? he practiced 5 days straight, but then his foot was sore. he had this time to hopefully get healthy again, and im betting he will be on the field against the ravens and bucs and making the most out of his opportunity. 2 more preseason games, he can do it. call me stupid or whatever you want, even argue with me. but thats my honest opinion.

He hasn't exactly earned the benefit of the doubt.

---------- Post added August-21st-2011 at 06:59 PM ----------

I think Banks is headed for IR. I'm starting to think that trying to keep him healthy for 16 games is going to be an exercise in futility. For a guy in his second year, the injuries have piled up already.

[Skinsfanatic_1]

Hightower
Helu
Torain (possibly)

Moss
Gaffney
Stallworth
Armstrong

[Hitman21ST]

Moss
Gaffney
Stallworth
Armstrong

Only 4?

[texasthunder]

I agree with the OP on his choices, but there are still some games to be played prior to those cuts.

As much as I would like to have Banks, I fear his durability and current injuries may be an issue.

Damn, I was really hoping Kelly would step it up this year, but it looks like his body is failing him.

[Stoox]

I would extend this to RBs, FBs, WRs and TEs, since we have some guys who are versatile and can do more than one job. We're basically talking about 15 spots among the 4 positions open in the final 53.

3 RB:
-Hightower
-Helu
-Torain

1 FB:
-DYoung

3 TE:
-Cooley
-Davis
-Paulsen

Swing guys:
-Sellers (TE + FB + ST)
-KWilliams (RB + FB + ST)

6 WR/KR:
-Moss
-Gaffney
-Armstrong
-Hankerson
-Austin (KR)
-Paul (KR + ST)


The Others:
-Banks: will probably get IR'd. A stabbing and a knee injury. Great returner, but needs to be healthy. Let him sit out this year and come back strong next year.

-Stallworth: might have value as trade bait. Do the Cardinals need a WR opposite Fitzgerald? We could get our draft pick back that we gave up for Hightower.

-Kelly: wanted him to succeed, but doesn't look like it with all the time he's missed. Unless he plays vs. Ravens and has a monster night, he'll probably be cut and get another chance somewhere else. Wouldn't surprise me if he does well with another team.

-Royster: Practice squad. He'll pass through the league if they cut him - other teams have their own guys to worry about stashing, without committing to another team's 6th rounder on the active roster. He's also a specific fit in our ZBS, and wouldn't necessarily be a fit for a lot of other teams

-Robinson: Ditto Royster. Practice squad to develop like Austin did this year

[JoeKnowsBest]

RBs
1.Hightower
2.Helu
3.Royster

FB Mike Sellers PLEASE

As for Henkerson, I had high hopes for him and cheered when he was drafted, but after as many terrible drops that he's had in his opportunities, my hope in him is diminishing. I look at guys like Niles Paul and Terrence Austin and they've done much better with their opportunities. If you're going to play WR, you've gotta catch the ball. It's that simple. I would suggest to the coaching staff that they bring Mark Duper in to coach Henkerson to get his concentration back. It worked for him at Miami.


I really would like to know what they see in Gaffney and why they brought him here because I'm not seeing it. I have no idea what he brings to the table more than the other guys we have on the team at this moment in time. You want a veteran prescence? Stallworth and Moss provide that. The rest of the squad is more talented. I'm not sure what to make of Armstrong this year. It seems like he's disapeared. I've been impressed with Niles Paul so far. He looks to be the same size and WR type as Gaffney, just a lot younger with more potential. Terrence Austin seems like he can play WR, but he needs some work to be the return man. I don't think any one can top what Brandon Banks brings to the table. Brandon Banks is amazingly smart AND fast. He makes lightning quick decisions on what to do with the kick and he doesn't hesitate. When he goes for it he can be a game breaker. His speed is uncanny as is his ability to read the feid. To me he looks like an equivilent of Dante Hall. What Dante Hall was for the Cheifs, I'm convinced that Brandon Banks can and will be for us.

As far as Stallworth, he's never reached his potential. I'm at a loss of what to really think about it. But the guy listens to '80s music which I really like, so I am pulling for him!

---------- Post added August-22nd-2011 at 01:02 AM ----------

I'm an Oklahoma fan and I chatted with Malcom his first week as a pro in training camp so I was pulling for him. However at this point he's let me down and I've pretty much put him out of sight and out of mind. There is no way you can go 3-4 seasons in the NFL and be hurt every single one of them and never show up to play. If you're not productive, you get cut. That's the way it is. He's not been productive. Whether on the field or not, the simple fact is that he's not been productive and has done nothing to help the team. :( I think he'll be cut. Time has run out for him. Sad to say that Devin Thomas did more to help the team than Malcom. As a life long die hard cowboy fan (that he is), I kind of wonder if he even cares to be on the Redskins. I have to wonder that if it was the Cowboys roster he was trying to make if he'd be a little more passionate and demonstrate some more heart to play. He didn't strike as someone who really cared about his standing on the Redskins when I met him at training camp... just "ho hum, what am I doing here?" is the impression I got. In other words I didn't sense much heart in him as a Pro. Ryan Broyals has way more heart than Malcom Kelly.

[Redskins4ever]

I think these will be the players for final wide receiver spots.

1. Santana Moss
2. Anthony Armstong
3. Jabar Gaffney
4. Terrance Austin
5. Dontae Stallworth
6. Brandon Banks.

I was really rooting for Malcolm Kelly to make it, but unless he has two spectacular games in the remaining preseason games, he's going to be released.

[Saqs]

There's no way they don't keep Hankerson.

[Probos]

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallworth
5. Paul
6. Austin

Banks and Torain to IR after 4th ps game.
Hankerson to PS

This is my thinking, but Hank won't clear waivers so he'll end up on the squad with Paul probably going to the PS. As much as I like him, Torain's not reliable health-wise so I'd go with the young guy over him.

I'm a huge fan of Austin, so I'm really rooting for him to make the team.

[DC9]

WR

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Paul
Austin

RB

Hightower
Helu
Torain


EDIT: I think Stallworth is trade bait, especially with his contract. No, I am not an insider, but call it a hunch.

[Hitman21ST]

As for Henkerson, I had high hopes for him and cheered when he was drafted, but after as many terrible drops that he's had in his opportunities, my hope in him is diminishing. I look at guys like Niles Paul and Terrence Austin and they've done much better with their opportunities. If you're going to play WR, you've gotta catch the ball. It's that simple. I would suggest to the coaching staff that they bring Mark Duper in to coach Henkerson to get his concentration back. It worked for him at Miami.


Two drops? As a rookie?

:whoknows:

[Bang]

RBs
Helu
I swear Helu reminds me of the Vikings Robert Smith. Right down to the number. Not as much speed, but his style, his size, his ability to make guys miss and break through tackles.. very much like Smith. This guy looks like the real deal, and not just because of his preseason,, but how he has made the yards is impressive, even short runs he's shown remarkable instincts. He has much more power than we were led to believe when he was drafted.. he breaks tackles, shakes tackles, and has an excellent quick cut.. i love how he squares up his shoulders and hits the hole

Hightower
Torain
Royster

Shanny goes thru backs like a fish thru water. Chances are we'll use all four of these and likely one or two more.


FB- Young. He's a banger. I watched him when I watched the replay yesterday,, very good lead blocker, good hands, too.


WRs
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hank
Austin (lovin' this guy!)
Banks / Paul / Stallworth.. show me who wants it. (as of now I'd have Banks highest on that bubble. He has become expendable rather quickly.)

~bang

[mistahsmif]

What is the standard number of WR's a team usually keeps on the roster?

[justice98]

There's no way they don't keep Hankerson.

I agree, but he's really not done a whole lot to justify his keeping a roster spot. Maybe much of it is just the trials and tribulations of being a rookie receiver. But he drops the ball in practice, he has drops when the lights are on in games, he seems to be a little sloppy in his route running. His performance this training camp and preseason makes Marko Mitchell look like Jerry Rice. lol

But his potential and I think his 3rd round draft pick status will probably keep him on the team. But I don't see how you can trust him enough to actually put him in a game.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

RB's:

1. Lieutenant Hightower
2. Hello
3. Roosta

** Torrain tears hamstring in final pre-season game and is put on I.R.**

WR's:

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Austin
4. Inferno
5. Armstrong
6. Hankerson

[mistahsmif]

As of now, I'd take Stallworth over Mr. Hanky....

[FuriousOne2K]

i think we have to keep banks...unless this injury turns out to be really bad. he's our only PR threat...dude can take it to the house at any given moment. i'd give up one of those younger guys for that...you cant coach that aspect of the game.

1. Moss
2. Armstrong
3. Hankerson
4. Stallworth
5. Austin
6. Banks

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

i think we have to keep banks...unless this injury turns out to be really bad. he's our only PR threat...dude can take it to the house at any given moment. i'd give up one of those younger guys for that...you cant coach that aspect of the game.

1. Moss
2. Armstrong
3. Hankerson
4. Stallworth
5. Austin
6. Banks


So you have them releasing Gaffney. LOL.

[FuriousOne2K]

just posting what i would like....lol.

i like stallworth more than gaffney.

[cgray88]

RBs:
Hightower
Helu
Royster

Torain, to me, has always been just a guy. Solid, fine, nothing special... He is always hurt, tho and the others aren't. The only way I see him making it now is if the Shanny's are worried about the 2 rookies in pass protection.

WRs:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Hankerson
Paul
Banks

I think Stallworth helps us a lot more now, but in building for the future, I'd have to go with the young guys. And I know its kinda crazy to go with 7 WRs, but I personally think we'll lose Paul if we try to get him to the practice squad... We could go light at a position like OL or LB early in the season where the last guys on our depth chart aren't much better than street free agents.

This is tough, tho... no matter how it shakes out, we are going to cut some decent players.

[justice98]

I think Stallworth is done. The year before he went to jail, he had 17 catches, last year after jail he had 2, on a team with weak WRs. I don't expect much from him if he makes the team.

[Bang]

As of now, I'd take Stallworth over Mr. Hanky....

Vinny? Is that you?

You'd keep a 9 year vet who can't stay healthy, on his 6th team in 8 years (he missed a year due to killing someone).. over a rookie with the raw physical attributes you see because he dropped a couple of passes in his first two preseason games, in a year in which he's had no chance to work with his coaches until late last month?

Really?

This would be like Michelangelo choosing to sculpt David in poop, because the big chunk of marble he got was just a slightly off shade of white.

~Bang

[Southtown]

RB:
Hightower
Torain
Helu
Royster to the Practice Squad. Call him up if there is an injury to the above three. No injury, no problem. Injury but Royster was claimed? Sign another team's Royster off their squad.

WR:
Moss
Armstrong
Gaffney
Hankerson
Austin
Stallworth

Assuming Banks to IR and Paul to Practice Squad. Kelly cut. Robinson either cut or Practice Squad.

Two more games to go though and things will change. 2 weeks ago Robinson had some hype then he muffed two punts and now he's not in the conversation. Next week Royster will either score a TD or fumble and Stallworth/Paul will catch a TD or drop a pass and opinions will change again.

[TheRookie]

Somebody's probably already posted the same, but here goes...

WR:
1. Moss
2. Armstrong
3. Gaffney
4. Stallworth
5. Hankerson
6. Austin

RB:
1. Hightower
2. Torain
3. Helu

The whole Banks to the IR theory seems like a plausible idea. Paul to the PS (hopefully he clears waivers there). Keiland gets cut. Royster to PS (again, hopefully clears waivers). Trading Torain is also something I wouldn't be against since some injuries have cropped up (Leshoure, Williams) and I don't think there would be a huge drop off if we lost him and went, say, Hightower - Helu - Royster.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

just posting what i would like....lol.

i like stallworth more than gaffney.

Wow...I could not disagree more. Gafney is going to be the go to possesion WR on this team.

[Tuff]

I'm shocked how many are throwing Ryan Torain under the bus. The guy was running OVER people last year. He got hurt - lots of people in the NFL "get hurt" and as result people are looking to......Tim Hightower as the primary RB? Seriously? I don't have a lot of faith in Hightower carrying the workload, and while Torain has been hurt a few times, I would not cut him. I would actually start him this season and let him go into the season "Your job, don't f#ck it up" and see what he does. When he played last year, he was great. Are people forming opinions here or absorbing them from others? Few of his runs very Payton like the way he blows through defenders.

I feel like people here were watching someone else on the field when he was busy steamrolling people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEqXrE2PV0g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9oxUdLjY4&feature=related

Actually yeah, lets start Hightower. That will aid the whole "Tank the season, draft Luck" effort.

---------- Post added August-22nd-2011 at 12:02 PM ----------


I think Stallworth is done. The year before he went to jail, he had 17 catches, last year after jail he had 2, on a team with weak WRs. I don't expect much from him if he makes the team.

I think Stallworth has more actual talent than some of the receivers on the roster, but his history bothers some people. He drops less passes than Santana Moss

http://www.extremeskins.com/archive/index.php/t-277082.html

But people here seem to have written Stallworth off as well. He had success when he was used in New Orleans.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

I have this feeling that Armstrong not only loses that 3rd wideout spot, but that he may end up being a surprise cut. Here is why I think this:

1. The top two spots appear to be largely concrete (Moss, Gaffney).
2. Terrence Austin, imo (stress the "imo" here) is, and will continue to prove that he is a better route runner, has the best hands on the team, and has the speed to be a legitimate deep threat. So I have him at #3.
3. The much-maligned Stallworth has a lot to prove, and people forget just how talented he is. Shanahan went out and got this guy for a reason. Stallworth is known as a deep threat guy, which is the role Armstrong is pegged for.
4. Hankerson, two drops and all, is physcially gifted and drafted high enough to the point where he will (imo) make this team.
5. There's a reason Kelly is being kept on this team (at the moment).

I'm not guaranteeing Armstrong will be cut, but I guess my opinion is that the #3 spot everyone appears to be handing him at this point may not be a total given. I say all of this being the huge A.A. fan that I am.

[Bang]

I have this feeling that Armstrong not only loses that 3rd wideout spot, but that he may end up being a surprise cut. Here is why I think this:

1. The top two spots appear to be largely concrete (Moss, Gaffney).
2. Terrence Austin, imo (stress the "imo" here) is, and will continue to prove that he is a better route runner, has the best hands on the team, and has the speed to be a legitimate deep threat. So I have him at #3.
3. The much-maligned Stallworth has a lot to prove, and people forget just how talented he is. Shanahan went out and got this guy for a reason. Stallworth is known as a deep threat guy, which is the role Armstrong is pegged for.
4. Hankerson, two drops and all, is physcially gifted and drafted high enough to the point where he will (imo) make this team.
5. There's a reason Kelly is being kept on this team (at the moment).

I'm not guaranteeing Armstrong will be cut, but I guess my opinion is that the #3 spot everyone appears to be handing him at this point may not be a total given. I say all of this being the huge A.A. fan that I am.

Possible.. hope you're wrong,, he showed real deep speed last year. If McNabb could have gotten the ball deep enough to him, he likely could have scored four or five more TDs.

I do like Austin. Hope it's not Skittles' spot he takes.

~Bang

[GaryGreenMonk]

Stallworth may get bumped by the Austin, Hankerson, Paul treo.

If the coaches think the same... we should see a lot of Stallworth on Thursday. They might want to pump him up for a trade if they think he may not make it or be worth keeping over the rookies.

---------- Post added August-22nd-2011 at 12:22 PM ----------


I have this feeling that Armstrong not only loses that 3rd wideout spot, but that he may end up being a surprise cut. Here is why I think this:

1. The top two spots appear to be largely concrete (Moss, Gaffney).
2. Terrence Austin, imo (stress the "imo" here) is, and will continue to prove that he is a better route runner, has the best hands on the team, and has the speed to be a legitimate deep threat. So I have him at #3.
3. The much-maligned Stallworth has a lot to prove, and people forget just how talented he is. Shanahan went out and got this guy for a reason. Stallworth is known as a deep threat guy, which is the role Armstrong is pegged for.
4. Hankerson, two drops and all, is physcially gifted and drafted high enough to the point where he will (imo) make this team.
5. There's a reason Kelly is being kept on this team (at the moment).

I'm not guaranteeing Armstrong will be cut, but I guess my opinion is that the #3 spot everyone appears to be handing him at this point may not be a total given. I say all of this being the huge A.A. fan that I am.

From what i saw at practice, no way this happens.

Gaffney is a sure handed guy for that 5-10 yard first down sideline pass.. but Armstrong is definitely the guy for the deep posts or crossing routes.

I think we may see combinations of Gaffney/Armstrong with Moss in the slot and Armstrong/Moss with Gaffney in the slot.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

Stallworth may get bumped by the Austin, Hankerson, Paul treo.

If the coaches think the same... we should see a lot of Stallworth on Thursday. They might want to pump him up for a trade if they think he may not make it or be worth keeping over the rookies.

Yeah my opinion being what it is (see above post), it's hard to argue with the total ambiguity of Stallworth's status on this team. Does he get bumped by the young trio you mention above? Or does Shanny value the veteran experience higher than the draft pick investments?

I feel that Paul would be the one casualty of the three you mention. That said, is there room for Stallworth, Austin, AND Hankerson?

Interesting point of view though on the pumping him for a trade. Definitely plausible.

[sportjunkie07]

rbs:
1. hightower
2. helu
3. torrain (proven in the system, injury history, but rb by committee should limit his touches)
ps royster (though he will get called up when one of the above 3 get injured)

wrs:
1. moss
2. gaffney
3. armstrong
4. hankerson (would not clear waivers, has lots of talent, he'll be fine)
5. austin (this years armstrong. working hard, doing everything right, doubles as a returner)
6. banks/stallworth/paul

the 6th spot is debateable. if banks is healthy, its his spot. stallworth is released and paul goes to the practice squad. if not healthy, he gets ir'd, and the battle is between stallworth and paul. i really like paul as a prospect, but i dont think he will get enough touches this preseason to unseat one of the above. this may be good though, because other teams wont be trying to nab him off waivers.

---------- Post added August-22nd-2011 at 11:30 AM ----------


I have this feeling that Armstrong not only loses that 3rd wideout spot, but that he may end up being a surprise cut. Here is why I think this:

1. The top two spots appear to be largely concrete (Moss, Gaffney).
2. Terrence Austin, imo (stress the "imo" here) is, and will continue to prove that he is a better route runner, has the best hands on the team, and has the speed to be a legitimate deep threat. So I have him at #3.
3. The much-maligned Stallworth has a lot to prove, and people forget just how talented he is. Shanahan went out and got this guy for a reason. Stallworth is known as a deep threat guy, which is the role Armstrong is pegged for.
4. Hankerson, two drops and all, is physcially gifted and drafted high enough to the point where he will (imo) make this team.
5. There's a reason Kelly is being kept on this team (at the moment).

I'm not guaranteeing Armstrong will be cut, but I guess my opinion is that the #3 spot everyone appears to be handing him at this point may not be a total given. I say all of this being the huge A.A. fan that I am.

im going to have to disagree. armstrong played very well last season. he's not really thought of as an nfl caliber receiver, but he proved last year that he is. even in preseason this year, he has shown that he can be dependable, and his receptions have been on shorter routes, i think this bodes well for him.

[wilburmarshall]

I have this gut feeling that Torain may get cut in favor of Royster

I am thinking the same thing. I like Torain, but w/ Hightower and Helu, I think they can be just as productive as Torain, and hopefully are not as injury prone.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

I have to say, I've had three posters disagree with me in the past five minutes, and all have been respectful, conversation-worthy debates. Got no problem with it at all. Wish it was like this more often.

Cheers!

HTTR.

[sportjunkie07]

I am thinking the same thing. I like Torain, but w/ Hightower and Helu, I think they can be just as productive as Torain, and hopefully are not as injury prone.

yeah, but why would you cut a guy who has shown he can be effective in the system (despite a weak oline and new ZBS last year), when you could put royster on the PS?

---------- Post added August-22nd-2011 at 11:41 AM ----------


Yeah my opinion being what it is (see above post), it's hard to argue with the total ambiguity of Stallworth's status on this team. Does he get bumped by the young trio you mention above? Or does Shanny value the veteran experience higher than the draft pick investments?

I feel that Paul would be the one casualty of the three you mention. That said, is there room for Stallworth, Austin, AND Hankerson?

Interesting point of view though on the pumping him for a trade. Definitely plausible.

its is hard to judge how shanny values vets.. i did not think that last years vet wide recievers would be around so long, but they were. so imo, stallworth is kind of a wild card. he has shown that he can run good routes and from what i heard in training camp, he was the best route runner outside of tana'. how does shanny value that presence? i honestly cant tell you. if stallworth does remain on the 53, i think it will be at paul's expense. which is fine for now, as paul will head to the practice squad.

[Hdf561]

Hightower and make him the number 1 Starter
Helu
Royster

Moss
Gaffney
Stallworth
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin

Banks is not a great WR and is mostly a return guy, well now with the new kick off rules he is really only get return chances on punts, something that Santana, has done and can do again, or use one of the other wide outs no reason to keep Brandon, I like him but he the leauge regulated him out.

[MariusVT]

Based on the preseason up to this point, I'd probably go something like this:

Hightower
Helu
Torain or Royster, its kind of a toss up

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Hankerson, had a good shoestring grab last night.
Paul, strong & fast and between him & Austin I don't think we'd miss Banks

Banks to IR.

[Ernie5]

Tailbacks:

• Hightower
• Helu
• Torain

Fullbacks:

• Young
• K. Williams

WR:

• Moss
• Gaffney
• Austin
• Armstrong
• Stallworth
• Hankerson

Practice Squad:

• Royster
• Paul

The Big Question is what happens to Banks. The problem, of course, is durability. Also, he doesn't appear to figure into the WR rotation at all and his kickoff return effectiveness/impact, as someone pointed out above, has been legislatively diminished. You hate to let a guy with his skill go, but if 6 WRs are the limit, I think they keep a relatively young, skilled vet like Dante Stallworth.

[SWFLSkins]

just posting what i would like....lol.

i like stallworth more than gaffney.

After last night even?


I agree with this list, though not sure we keep Banks as the seventh.


RBs:
Hightower
Helu
Royster

Torain, to me, has always been just a guy. Solid, fine, nothing special... He is always hurt, tho and the others aren't. The only way I see him making it now is if the Shanny's are worried about the 2 rookies in pass protection.

WRs:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Hankerson
Paul
Banks

---------- Post added August-26th-2011 at 10:01 AM ----------


Based on the preseason up to this point, I'd probably go something like this:

Hightower
Helu
Torain or Royster, its kind of a toss up

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Hankerson, had a good shoestring grab last night.
Paul, strong & fast and between him & Austin I don't think we'd miss Banks

Banks to IR.

I agree wholeheartedly with this list^

[Voice_of_Reason]

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Royster
4. (FB) Darrel Young
5. (FB/emergency Back) Keiland Williams

Royster will be deactivated on gamedays unless Helu or Hightower is hurt.

In a shocking move, Torain is either cut or traded. (There is always a shocking move or two for every team, I'm predicting this to be the 'Skins move.)

WR:
1. Moss
2. Gafney
3. Armstrong
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6. Niles Paul

Stallworth is cut just because he is crowded out of space, and the team wants to keep Paul and Hankerson. Hankerson might be deactivated on gamedays for the beginning part of the season.

Where is Brandon Banks you ask? IR. I just don't think he's going to be healthy enough to carry on the roster.

Kelley obviously is out.

[Darth Tater]

Not going to assume any trades or injury status.

Based on how we've run so far in the preseason, WR is likely:

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Stallworth (could be trying to trade but I'm not going to make any assumptions)
Hankerson
---------------
Paul (try to put him on PS)

You hope that by the middle to end of the season that Hankerson overtakes Stallworth so you can either trade Stallworth or cut him in favor of activating Paul.

Now, Kelly is a mystery but I don't expect we'll keep him.
Banks is about his knee and does the staff have faith that he could be a 3 or 4 in a pinch. He may get an IR treatment.

Running back is harder because we will keep at least 3 and we can only make guesses as to Torrain. Probably:

Hightower
Helu
Torrain
-----------
Royster

[ILikeBilly]

Earlier someone mentioned trading Torain. That just gave me the idea of trading Banks (assuming he is healthy enough.) He has some real value if a team needs a PR/KR and a 5th WR. If we could trade him, we could possible stockpile one more pick for next years draft. We need all the picks we can get to trade up for a top QB. Could we get a 3rd rounder for him?

[sportjunkie07]

staying with my original prediction:

hightower
helu
torrain
royster on p.s.

moss
gaffney
armstrong
hankerson
austin
banks (if healthy)/paul/armstrong

[DC9]

WR

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Paul
Austin

RB

Hightower
Helu
Torain


EDIT: I think Stallworth is trade bait, especially with his contract. No, I am not an insider, but call it a hunch.

ahem....this dude is smart. I like what he said earlier this week. Maybe the Redskins can shop Stallworth for a young 3-4 end prospect.

[Hdf561]

At this point I do not see how we can justify keeping Torrain or Banks.

Torrain hasnt seen the field, and has been a injury risk his entire career. We now have two young guys that we will get similar production from (Helu, Royster). Torrain should be shopped for a trade, or just cut.

Same for Banks....he is not a starting wide out, and now his KR skills are useless....

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

RB:
1. Hightower
2. Torain
3. Helu
(Depth Chart means nothing to me, each RB should be used in certain situations with Hightower handling most of the work)
PS: Royster

WR:
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6/PS: Paul
IR: Banks

[SWFLSkins]

At this point I do not see how we can justify keeping Torrain or Banks.

Torrain hasnt seen the field, and has been a injury risk his entire career. We now have two young guys that we will get similar production from (Helu, Royster). Torrain should be shopped for a trade, or just cut.

Same for Banks....he is not a starting wide out, and now his KR skills are useless....

Bank might be a fine receiver except for the fact that we have two other guys that could be both WR and Returner. I agree about Torain, it is a shame but again we have guys who can do the job and have not been hurt.

[Hdf561]

Bank might be a fine receiver except for the fact that we have two other guys that could be both WR and Returner. I agree about Torain, it is a shame but again we have guys who can do the job and have not been hurt.

I just think Banks is to small to be a WR....and your right we have guys who can do both so we really do not need him, even an IR spot in my eyes is wasteful. I think we should try and trade him or cut him.

[mossomo]

Banks to IR.

Banks has no value sitting on IR, moving him to IR just to stow a player is not happening. If he can play this season, he makes the active roster. He is a playmaker and you find room for your playmakers.


I don't think we'd miss Banks

Banks is electric and threatens to take it to the house everytime he gets a touch. Austin and Paul - you expect some speed and yards but you are not holding your breath expecting a touchdown return. So no, you are wrong - we would miss Banks - we have not had a legit return man since B.Mitch. No one has stood out since him until the Banks. We will find a spot for him.


Same for Banks.... and now his KR skills are useless....

Be honest. A 59yd KR and 19yd PR helps with field position and is in fact useful.

The 35yr KO rule was in effect when B.Mitch was a homerun threat, so I don't see how the rule change is really applicable. The arguement would be that B.Mitch was ineffective because the KO was from the 35... doesn't make sense as he was effective and changed the tide of the game many times.

RBs: Hightower/Helu/Torain. Royster to PS.
WRs: Moss/Gaffney/Armstrong/Austin/Hankerson. Banks finds a spot. I'm on the cusp with Donte. Mike likes his vets - Roydell and Galloway unbelievably made it last year. Donte makes it and Paul goes to the PS, or Paul makes it and Donte is cut. Poor Kelly. But you have to be on the field to play the game. However, they have held on to Kelly this long... just maybe he cracks the roster. Damn - it's nice we have choices and depth for once.

And whoever ****ing thinks Armstrong is being cut is smoking Woodbridge Crack. Get off the pipe. I swear people just like to be contrarian. Oh fan fav, let me stir the pot and troll this thread.

[texasthunder]

I will stay with my same list:

Hightower
Helu
Torrain
Royster to PS

Moss
Gaffney
Austin
Armstrong
Hankerson
Stallworth
Paul to PS

Banks and Kelly are the odd man out, unless they can keep Banks as a special teamer.

[Hailskins94]

RB's:

Hightower
Helu
Royster
D. Young

I don't see how they can count on Torain as brittle as he is and the young backs have shown big promise.

WR's:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin
Banks
Paul

I think Kellen Clemens gets let go to make room for Banks instead of having to IR him like Kelly last year. Niles Paul has too much upside to put on the practice squad and he plays teams.

[SkinsFanRicky]

RB - Hightower, Torain, Helu; PS - Royster

WR - Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Stallworth, Austin; PS- Paul; IR-Banks

[MariusVT]

The 35yr KO rule was in effect when B.Mitch was a homerun threat, so I don't see how the rule change is really applicable. The arguement would be that B.Mitch was ineffective because the KO was from the 35... doesn't make sense as he was effective and changed the tide of the game many times..

The difference is kickers are better, stronger, sending more balls out of the end zone than they were when B Mitch was in town. I do think we'd miss Banks, the reason I suggested IR'ing him is if his knee is really as bad as it sounds, and we have a serious WR problem with too many talented guys and not enough roster space. It gives Banks time to get healthy and keeps a guy like Paul around who wouldn't clear waivers because he has size, speed, skills to make it at the pro level.

[windsofcreation]

It upsets me that we potentially wasted a draft pick on Aldrick Robinson

[SWFLSkins]

It upsets me that we potentially wasted a draft pick on Aldrick Robinson

Out of all the picks that have or will pan out? And Robinson very may see the PS anyway.

[RandyHolt]

So it seems many think that extra roster spot will go to a WR. I cant remember the last time we carried 6 wide. I kind of figured the extra spot this year was almost perfect for Banks. Otherwise, factoring how much we rotate players on D, I think that extra spot we get this year would be for a D guy. But Paul has fans excited, I havent seen it yet. He seems a logical guy to stash on the PS since Shanny seems to prefer vet receivers, and even us fans know young receivers usually run around lost for a year. Paul to PS. There are going to be a ton of guys all cut at once, he may make it.

If Royster plays teams (not sure), I have a feeling we keep him over Torrain. Otherwise, Shanny and the fans love to see Torrain breaking tackles. For now, if he makes the 53, I see Torrain as inactive unless the injury bug bites.

Maybe both Banks and Torrain end up on IR.

[sportjunkie07]

It upsets me that we potentially wasted a draft pick on Aldrick Robinson

dude. our draft picks look pretty good. the coaching staff did well. you cant expect all your late round picks to pan out.

[jobaga]

I see no reason to keep Stallworth...If he is not a starter (and he is clearly not starter quality) get some of the kids some experience. I would keep Austin, Hankerson, and Paul on the roster to go with Moss, Gaffney and AAA

[BigMike21]

Hightower
Torain
Helu


Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin
Stallworth
Hankerson

[ConnSKINS26]

HB:

Hightower
Torain
Helu

FB:

Young

WR:

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin
Paul

PS:
Aldrick Robinson
Evan Royster (to be called up after inevitable Torain injury)

IR:

Banks
Kelly? (would they really do this, again? Or would they finally just cut him?)

[gamecokskins703]

WRS:
1)Moss
2)Gaffney
3)Armstrong
4)Hankerson
5)Austin
6)Paul/Banks

No stallworth because i think the play where Beck through the int, stallworth slowed down a little bit. not sure it was entirely on beck.

RB
1)Hightower
2)Torain
3)Helu

[Wildbunny]

RB:
- Hightower
- Helu
- Royster

FB:
- Young.

Hightower and Helu seems to be locks.
Torain is a good back when healthy, but the trouble is, that you know at some point in the season he'll get hurt. And considering what Hightower has done so far, he's locked to be first in the rotation. Using Torain as a third RB is a waste imo. So my take here is he'll get traded. If we nail a 5th for him it'll be good enough.

WR:
- Moss
- Gaffney
- Armstrong
- Austin
- Hankerson
- Paul

That group is really tricky to guess.
Stallworth, Banks have legitimate shots at it. Robinson might just get cut because of his muffs in the first game. He'll be lucky to end on the PS.
Stallworth, as Torain is too valuable to be kept as a 5th or 6th on the roster. But I don't see him being in the first three, even if I like him. My guess here is, like Torain, he'll get traded if possible.
Banks? Sure he's a natural threat on KR. But he's also often broke. What's the point in keeping someone that'll end up on finishing the season on IR? To me, it's zero. So I'll keep Paul as KR over Banks.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Whats the latest thoughts on Keiland Williams ?

Haven't seen much of him, or read much about him thus far, but I'd say based on last season I'd thought he'd have a good shout of making the 53.

Any chance we go with only 2 QB's to carry the extra WR/RB/FB ?

[PerryMason]

I don't know how ANY of you can put Hankerson on the practice squad. Also, Banks is making the team and won't count towards the WR total. He'll be here regardless of if we carry 5 or 6 WR. That being said its gunna be:

1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. Armstrong
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6. Stallworth

BANKS KEPT AS KR/PR
PS - Paul, Robinson,
YOU ARE ON PCP OR SOME OTHER CONTROLLED DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE IF YOU THINK PAUL IS MAKING THIS ROSTER.
For the running backs....same thing. Coach knows what he has in Banks just like he knows what he has in Torain. He saw it all last season what these guys could do.

1. Hightower
2. Helu
3. Torain
FB. Young

PS. Royster, Williams

[s0crates]

This is a tough one. Any way you slice it, we are going to have to let good players go. Some of the guys we let go will be signed by other teams in no time, but I would take that as a good sign.

1) Moss
2) Armstrong
3) Gaffney
4) Austin
5) Hankerson
6) Banks

There is also the possibility that we stash Banks on IR for the year.

Paul and Robinson will probably go on the practice squad. Stallworth will be signed to another team in no time.

RBs

1) Hightower
2) Helu
3) Torrain

Royster on the practice squad, although I am afraid some team (perhaps AZ) will snatch him up.

Those are my predictions. Take them for what they are worth :2cents:

[Hailskins94]

Donte Stallworth will not make this team

[JoeKnowsBest]

RB
Hightower
Helu
Royster.

Torrain gets traded for what we can get.

FB what about Sellers?!

WR
Moss
Armstrong
Austin
Gaffney
Henkerson
Banks

Paul to practice squad just like Austin did last year. We gotta keep Banks to be our lightning in a bottle for special teams.

[SkinsFanCTT]

RB
Hightower
Helu
Royster.

Torrain gets traded for what we can get.

FB what about Sellers?!

WR
Moss
Armstrong
Austin
Gaffney
Henkerson
Banks

Paul to practice squad just like Austin did last year. We gotta keep Banks to be our lightning in a bottle for special teams.

Yeah, that will get us far.....2 rookies who I am still not impressed with either and a retread.

I will keep Torain's experience around even if he has to be in a wheelchair.

[Cooley47Skins]

(In order of position on depth chart)
RB:
1. Hightower
2. Torain
3. Helu
WR:
1. Moss
2. Gafney
3. Armstrong
4. Stallowrth
5. Hankerson
6. Banks
Banks beats Austin for the final WR and Kick Returner spot.

[Burgold]

Yeah, that will get us far.....2 rookies who I am still not impressed with either and a retread.

I will keep Torain's experience around even if he has to be in a wheelchair.

Interesting POV. Doesn't Hightower have more experience and production. Torrain had one great half season that had a missing middle because of an injury. I like Torrain, but don't understand your impression of the other three.

[kevincollateral]

you people are dumb if you think stallworth makes this team over austin.

have you watched any of the games?

[justice98]

Whats the latest thoughts on Keiland Williams ?

Haven't seen much of him, or read much about him thus far, but I'd say based on last season I'd thought he'd have a good shout of making the 53.

Any chance we go with only 2 QB's to carry the extra WR/RB/FB ?

I'd rather have Sellers than Williams, but I might be in the minority as people seem done with Sellers. You have your 3 tailbacks, so Williams would presumably be a backup FB/special teamer. But if that's the role, give me Sellers instead, and he brings the emergency TE ability to the table as well. I like Williams, if he made the team I wouldn't feel bad about it, but I think Sellers versatility trumps Williams. I think guys like Williams are a dime a dozen. His age vs Sellers works in his favor, but I'll take my chances that Williams won't be in too high a demand if you cut him.

[Califan007]

Yeah, that will get us far.....2 rookies who I am still not impressed with either and a retread.

I will keep Torain's experience around even if he has to be in a wheelchair.

In what alternate reality is Hightower considered a "retread" while Torain is considered to have valued "experience"? :ols:...Can you even BE a "retread" at the age of 25? lol...

[MariusVT]

In what alternate reality is Hightower considered a "retread" while Torain is considered to have valued "experience"? :ols:...Can you even BE a "retread" at the age of 25? lol...

Also Torain has less carries and total yards in the same amount of time. They are both 25. If anything, Torain is the less experienced back between him and Hightower.

[ouvan59]

I'd rather have Sellers than Williams, but I might be in the minority as people seem done with Sellers. You have your 3 tailbacks, so Williams would presumably be a backup FB/special teamer. But if that's the role, give me Sellers instead, and he brings the emergency TE ability to the table as well. I like Williams, if he made the team I wouldn't feel bad about it, but I think Sellers versatility trumps Williams. I think guys like Williams are a dime a dozen. His age vs Sellers works in his favor, but I'll take my chances that Williams won't be in too high a demand if you cut him.

I 100% agree with this. Williams is an effort guy but unfortunately he's just not talented enough. Sellers offers a lot more.

[Campbell's_da_man]

RB's
Hightower
Helu
Royster - he has natural instincts and already protects QB better than Torrain.

Release - Williams and torrain
Practice Squad:
Braun

WR's
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austin - he's earned it and he's ready to shine
Banks
Hankerson

Release - Kelly and Stallworth
Practice Squad:
Paul
Robinson

[Rudy165]

What is this "kick return" everyone keeps talking about.

[Schizlor]

What you have, but no Stallworth.

Hail.

This is what I have too. I just watched another BB highlight compilation on youtube last night, and when healthy, he is un-cuttable IMO.

1.Moss
2.Gaffney
3.Armstrong
4.Hankerson
5.Austin
6.Banks

---------- Post added August-30th-2011 at 02:49 PM ----------


What is this "kick return" everyone keeps talking about.

Banks could field it from behind the guys who run up the net for the extra point and FG attempts....and he'd still take 2-3 to the house every season.

[JaxJoe]

Donte Stallworth will not make this team

He might. But I hope he doesn't. I think he's (arguably) the 4th best receiver this preseason. But if we keep him, look at the ages of our receivers going into next year: Moss (33), Gafney (31), Armstrong (29) and Stallworth (31). This doesn't bode well for the near or long term. Hopefully, this time next year, we're looking at Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson (23), with Austin (24) and Paul (23) as depth. This is why I'd play Donte a lot against Tampa and see if we can't trade him.

[SWFLSkins]

He might. But I hope he doesn't. I think he's (arguably) the 4th best receiver this preseason. But if we keep him, look at the ages of our receivers going into next year: Moss (33), Gafney (31), Armstrong (29) and Stallworth (31). This doesn't bode well for the near or long term. Hopefully, this time next year, we're looking at Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson (23), with Austin (24) and Paul (23) as depth. This is why I'd play Donte a lot against Tampa and see if we can't trade him.

I'd like to hear how Donte is arguably the 4th WR on this team. Stats are Terrance Austin, Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, Jabar Gaffney, then Stallworth with 4 catches and 69 yards with a 13.6 avg, then Hankerson with 5 catches and 65 yards a 13 yard avg. I don't see the upside for keeping him. And Banks or Paul also offer more upside, sorry dude I think the second vet slot was filled with Gaffney.

[hoosandskinsMUSTwin]

Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Austin, Hankerson, Banks - WR
Hightower, Torain, Helu - RB
Royster -PS

[JaxJoe]

I'd like to hear how Donte is arguably the 4th WR on this team. Stats are Terrance Austin, Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, Jabar Gaffney, then Stallworth with 4 catches and 69 yards with a 13.6 avg, then Hankerson with 5 catches and 65 yards a 13 yard avg. I don't see the upside for keeping him. And Banks or Paul also offer more upside, sorry dude I think the second vet slot was filled with Gaffney.

I agree. But that's why I said it's "arguable." My thoughts were that Donte has played more time with the 1's compared to both Austin or Hank. So, my fear is that he has the favor of the coaches (not mine) and is likely 4th on the depth chart. Maybe 3rd? Maybe 5th? But it's clear he's getting more snaps with the 1's. But I agree with the upside that we need to keep and develop our youth. And I don't put Armstrong in the 'youth' department.

[B&GVol24]

RB:
1. Hightower
2(a). Torain
2(b). Helu

I think we'll see Torain and Helu get around the same amount of carries this season, with Royster eventually being called up when Torain gets hurt (again). After listening to TK and Chuck's interview, I'm excited for what the future (potentially) holds for Royster. I was impressed with his blitz pick-up this preseason and hope we can see more of him against the Bucs. IMO the emergence of Hightower has deemed Torain somewhat expendable.

WR:
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. AA
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6. Paul/Banks

My opinion of who makes the 53 at WR seems to change almost daily. We'll keep 6, with the first 5 as locks. Austin has earned it, and there's no way Hank would clear waivers. I've always liked Donte (I'm a die-hard UT Vol fan), but with the depth we now have, he doesn't give us anything that the other 5 can't. I, like many, am intrigued by Paul, especially his ability to play multiple positions on special teams. But after last year, I don't see how we could not make room for someone as electric as Banks.

[Ernie5]

I'd lean toward cutting Stallworth, but the reason for keeping is the same reason he keeps getting jobs: he's extremely talented and every team believes this is the time he'll live up to his great potential. The other point, I guess, is that he brings a veteran presence, but, as pointed out, Moss, Gaffney, and to a less extent Armstrong bring that, too.

I agree with everyone that we really can't cut Banks -- he's such a difference maker -- but I'm a Niles Paul fan, too. He brings a combination of skills and size that I really want to see this coaching staff develop.

[Spear]

Banks is a weapon and has too much value to outright cut. Perhaps he gets traded, but I don't see that happening.

[Champskins]

I need to see a lot of Hankerson in this final preseason game... make sure he's working on his problem, which he seems to be doing... otherwise im putting in his nickname in the other thread as, "Braylon Edwards"

[ouvan59]

RB:
1. Hightower
2(a). Torain
2(b). Helu

I think we'll see Torain and Helu get around the same amount of carries this season, with Royster eventually being called up when Torain gets hurt (again). After listening to TK and Chuck's interview, I'm excited for what the future (potentially) holds for Royster. I was impressed with his blitz pick-up this preseason and hope we can see more of him against the Bucs. IMO the emergence of Hightower has deemed Torain somewhat expendable.

WR:
1. Moss
2. Gaffney
3. AA
4. Austin
5. Hankerson
6. Paul/Banks

My opinion of who makes the 53 at WR seems to change almost daily. We'll keep 6, with the first 5 as locks. Austin has earned it, and there's no way Hank would clear waivers. I've always liked Donte (I'm a die-hard UT Vol fan), but with the depth we now have, he doesn't give us anything that the other 5 can't. I, like many, am intrigued by Paul, especially his ability to play multiple positions on special teams. But after last year, I don't see how we could not make room for someone as electric as Banks.

This^

I think both Royster and Paul will make it through to the practice sqaud. I also think they'll sign Robinson to the PS. Paul makes the 53 if Banks knee flairs up again.

[Champskins]

I want to give Torain a good showing, then trade him to the Dolphins/Patriots/Bengals, any of these teams that have tried out Portis/L. Johnson would kill for a young guy like Torain and then we could keep HT/Helu/Royster on the roster.

Dolphins being our best bet since they are already fed up with L. Johnson and they lost R. Brown. Reggie Bush can be their 3rd down guy

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

I have this feeling that Armstrong not only loses that 3rd wideout spot, but that he may end up being a surprise cut. Here is why I think this:

1. The top two spots appear to be largely concrete (Moss, Gaffney).
2. Terrence Austin, imo (stress the "imo" here) is, and will continue to prove that he is a better route runner, has the best hands on the team, and has the speed to be a legitimate deep threat. So I have him at #3.
3. The much-maligned Stallworth has a lot to prove, and people forget just how talented he is. Shanahan went out and got this guy for a reason. Stallworth is known as a deep threat guy, which is the role Armstrong is pegged for.
4. Hankerson, two drops and all, is physcially gifted and drafted high enough to the point where he will (imo) make this team.
5. There's a reason Kelly is being kept on this team (at the moment).

I'm not guaranteeing Armstrong will be cut, but I guess my opinion is that the #3 spot everyone appears to be handing him at this point may not be a total given. I say all of this being the huge A.A. fan that I am.


While some of my assumptions/predictions have proven to be incorrect, I think the evidence against Armstrong is overwhelming at this point. While he proved me wrong and made the roster this season, I think he's off the team before opening day next year. He just can't catch ANYTHING thrown his way. Yeah, lots of the throws would have made for difficult catches, but this guy hasn't gone above and beyond to make any type of catch. Shame, b/c I like AAA, but his initials indicate the level of pro he is. Top-tier minor leaguer.