Fan Nation: Tebow May Get Cut (Or Traded). If the former, is it worth giving him a look?

[Skadden]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/303110-broncos-ready-to-cut-tebow?utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral

He'd be at least somewhat of a fit in Shanahan's offense given his arm strength and his mobility. And he'd certainly be a better option than Pryor right now. Of course, he doesn't seem like an option as a franchise QB, but as 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart (so long, Kellen), why not?

[Gurgeh]

Seeing as he's got worse instead of better in his second season, no. Assuming we draft someone who can actually play QB next year, there's no need.

[MartinC]

I have seen a few quotes from unnamed GMs saying Tebow could be a Pro Bowl level full back or H-Back, if he would switch positions and was a free agent sure. As a potential starting QB though? Don't see it personally and by all accounts neither do the Broncos.

[sideshow24]

No way. We have enough tight ends on the roster.

[Boss_Hogg]

Hello No!

Good lord you must be joking right?

[ATLredskin]

Yes...trade Cooley

[TheRealBigRich]

I would have to pass just from all of the bad things I heard about him being a qb

[Oldfan]

Not as a full-time QB. But, I'd have to consider the pros and cons of going to a two-QB scheme with Tebow as the Red Zone specialist running and throwing from the stretch-rollout or in the wildcat.

[Reic]

Not as a full-time QB. But, I'd have to consider the pros and cons of going to a two-QB scheme with Tebow as the Red Zone specialist running and throwing from the stretch-rollout or in the wildcat.

Yeah, but two QB schemes are a horrible idea.

[arkowi]

This is no way a personal endorsement of him by me. I don't know enough to have an opinion.

But if I remember correctly, Shanahan was pretty high on him last year before the draft.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/mike-shanahan-on-tim-tebow-hes.html

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14728510

[bowhunter]

He's a good athlete of high character who could contribute in multiple roles. What's not to like?? Could you imagine his threat as a holder on FGs? H-back receiving threat? Flea flickers? Wildcat etc??

[Taylor 36]

Shananhan did have high praise for him last year. Hell, that's why we currently have Beck, right?

[StillUnknown]

I'd take him as a back up FB to Darrell Young.............maybe.

[santanathegreat]

Not as a full-time QB. But, I'd have to consider the pros and cons of going to a two-QB scheme with Tebow as the Red Zone specialist running and throwing from the stretch-rollout or in the wildcat.

I would think Beck is close to being as good in those type of situations as Tebow is. Beck can rollout and run a bootleg about as well as Tebow could, I would think.

[Oldfan]

I would think Beck is close to being as good in those type of situations as Tebow is. Beck can rollout and run a bootleg about as well as Tebow could, I would think.Not big enough to do the running and survive.

[Gurgeh]

He's a good athlete of high character who could contribute in multiple roles. What's not to like??

He can't play QB, and there are much better QBs in next year's draft. Unless one of those "multiple roles" is kicking field goals he doesn't have a place here. We aren't that desperate.

[Skadden]

I'm not sure that Tebow as third on the depth chart would be that bad. And he does have a stronger arm that Beck, supposedly. Hmmmm . . .

[RVAbrendan]

Yes...trade Cooley

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Denver would want way more than what Cooley is worth, anyway.

Not interested.

[MartinC]

He's a good athlete of high character who could contribute in multiple roles. What's not to like?? Could you imagine his threat as a holder on FGs? H-back receiving threat? Flea flickers? Wildcat etc??

Swinging Gate specialist maybe?

[Tuff]

No. We're gonna tank this season and draft Luck next year. Team should just worry about beating Dallas twice, and 2-14 should be enough to land Luck unless Cincinnati is thinking the same thing.

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Denver would want way more than what Cooley is worth, anyway.

Not interested.

That's funny considering Cooley is worth more than Tebow anyhow.

Denver a month ago was looking for a 3rd rounder for Kyle Orton. That was, IMO, a QB actually WORTH some draft picks, as opposed to the crap the Skins have been acquiring as of late.

[Gurgeh]

No. We're gonna tank this season and draft Luck next year. Team should just worry about beating Dallas twice, and 2-14 should be enough to land Luck unless Cincinnati is thinking the same thing.

The flaw in that plan is Dallas has to win 2 games ;)

[RVAbrendan]

That's funny considering Cooley is worth more than Tebow anyhow.


Yes, he is worth more as he is a veteran contributor and one of the most solid TEs in the league. But, Denver will still shop him with a hefty price tag, inflated or not.

[Laxpunk2006]

He's a good athlete of high character who could contribute in multiple roles. What's not to like?? Could you imagine his threat as a holder on FGs? H-back receiving threat? Flea flickers? Wildcat etc??

What would make him a bigger threat on flea flickers that someone else? Catching the defense off guard that we'd actually let him throw it? He could be a great role player but his fanfare won't allow that. Wherever he goes the Tebow circus follows. It's not his fault but at this point that is just how it goes.

['Skins_&_'Stons]

The Broncos dealt their second, third and fourth round picks to the Ratbirds for Tebow. What is the statute of limitations for Pat Bowlen to file rape charges against Baltimore?

[elkabong82]

Can anyone cite something specific w/ Tebow which makes them think he can play in a WCO? If not, then this discussion goes nowhere.

[RonArtest15]

Hell no!

And yall thought the Cult of Colt was bad? Can you imagine what would happen if Tebow came here?

Save me the charade about his character and intangibles....at some point you NEED football skill. I could care less about what he accomplished at Florida, his rah-rah mentality, and being able to circumcise babies in 3rd world countries w. a swiss army knife. Honestly, I don't know who would take a flyer on him at QB. I honestly could see a position switch from him in the future if he wants to stay in the NFL.

He's more of a project than Terrelle Pryor and just go over to that thread to see how he's been picked apart by the armchair GMs here on ES. Dude is NOT a good QB. Josh McDaniels made one of the biggest gaffes (and set the Broncos back a bit) and reaches by taking him in round 1. I felt bad for Kyle Orton this summer (who is 100000000x the QB Tebow is) because of the ridiculous nature of folks actually believing that there should be a QB competition between him and Tebow for the #1 gig.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

Teebow is not going anywhere...he is the Dale Earnhardt Jr of football. wins nothing but sells the hell out of merhandise..l

[Hail-to-da-skins-21]

Well the way I look at it.....hell if Shanny can get production out of Beck and Grossman (which I think he will) ....Then I can only imagine what he can get out of someone like Tebow.....I would do it but nothing higher than a 5th rd

[tibbidoe]

I don't see any chance that he'd be cut with him being a recent first rounder. So, if he isn't, I wouldn't even think about trading for him.

[oldskoolskins]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! He will never be a NFL QB "thats worth a damn", and we don't need fullbacks or tightends.

[HRNY4ZRNY]

SIMPLE ANSWER:



If Kyle and Mike want him than yes!

If they dont then no!




Me personally. Id rather have him than Kellen Clemens.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I have seen a few quotes from unnamed GMs saying Tebow could be a Pro Bowl level full back or H-Back, if he would switch positions and was a free agent sure. As a potential starting QB though? Don't see it personally and by all accounts neither do the Broncos.

Sweet. He can back up Young. Another position filled.

Hail.

[Tuff]

The flaw in that plan is Dallas has to win 2 games ;)

Ah yes, good point. Maybe we better split with them just in case, because I have NO faith in Dallas this year either in all seriousness. They might play hard for Garrett, but they're already 0-1 IMO with the Jets Sun night in the opener. And if they do win, good, cause the Jets losing would actually be awesome drama to watch Rex flip out post game.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Oh god.....:doh:

This place would get worse than when we had Colt on our team..

[Tuff]

Well the way I look at it.....hell if Shanny can get production out of Beck and Grossman (which I think he will) ....Then I can only imagine what he can get out of someone like Tebow.....I would do it but nothing higher than a 5th rd

lol @ the bold

[Pick6]

Sorry, but no thank you. We are too far into the preseason to even have it be worth a look and I say this, because I think it is possible we only keep Beck and Grossman. We have other places on the roster that could use that 3rd QB spot (WR,RB,TE).

[GibbsFactor]

Would love him but don't have the roster spot.

I think a team like the Bengals should pick him up. They could use his attitude.

[Skadden]

If Tebow is more suited to playing H-back, is he the next Matt Jones?

[gkekoa]

Of course you bring Tebow in. He's in the Steve Young mold and has the work ethic to improve his mechanics.
For those who don't know anything about Tebow, compare his team's performance last season with him and the team's performance with Orton. While Tebow is not a traditional QB, he brings things to the table that cannot be ignored.

[TheRookie]

I'm not sure that Tebow as third on the depth chart would be that bad. And he does have a stronger arm that Beck, supposedly. Hmmmm . . .

And whatever time he gains delivering the ball by way of velocity, is mitigated by his slow throwing motion...

Can't say I don't like the guy, though. If nothing else, he seems like a gamer.

[Stadium-Armory]

He can't beat out Brady Quinn for a roster spot. No thanks.

[andy614]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/303110-broncos-ready-to-cut-tebow?utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral

He'd be at least somewhat of a fit in Shanahan's offense given his arm strength and his mobility. And he'd certainly be a better option than Pryor right now. Of course, he doesn't seem like an option as a franchise QB, but as 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart (so long, Kellen), why not?

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?

[SkinsFanMania]

This is no way a personal endorsement of him by me. I don't know enough to have an opinion.

But if I remember correctly, Shanahan was pretty high on him last year before the draft.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/mike-shanahan-on-tim-tebow-hes.html

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14728510

He also said this was a deep draft for qb's. I'm sure he was trying to throw other teams off.

[Stadium-Armory]

Also, that's the dumbest article ever. "They may keep him, or they make trade him, or they may cut him, or they may play him, or they may not play him". Wow, very insightful.

[Audible_Red40]

1 Florida QB is enough. Thanks but bo thanks.

[iMeast]

I would rather draft Pryor ... and I don't want that to happen. Eww.

HTTR

[Boss_Hogg]

The Broncos dealt their second, third and fourth round picks to the Ratbirds for Tebow. What is the statute of limitations for Pat Bowlen to file rape charges against Baltimore?

Or at least sue Josh McDaniels.

[justice98]

People are gonna ride to the bitter end on this Tebow thing. This kid will be a career backup, if his career is even that long.

It's amusing to watch, and sad at the same time. In a sense, Josh McDaniel did this kid a disservice using a first round pick on him. He should've been a 3rd string QB for the first 3 years without question, instead of him starting games his first year, rumblings he might be the starting QB going into his 2nd year, etc. Now he looks like a failure, which isn't fair to him because somebody wasted a first rounder on him. Fortunately, somebody had a moment of clarity and didn't trade Kyle Orton. That would've been a disaster.

[Truant]

He's not going anywhere. This is nonsense.

Tebow, if nothing else, brings so much interest and jersey sales that he's worth a roster spot for his name alone. No team is cutting or trading that away from scraps. This "article" is nonsense.

[FLRedskins]

As a FSU fan I say no

[nimblehippo]

mike must be thinking that the ultimate revenge on denver would be to take tebow for nothing, and then turn their former 1st round pick into a pro bowl QB - whether he thinks he could do it is another matter, but that would be the ultimate way of sticking it to denver! Personally for anything less than a 4th I'm keen, Grossman is on the roster with experience, we'd have time to play around with him and give him a shot - the kids passing accuracy can only get better ( in theory) and he's a high character guy. And anyway, he'd probably be an upgrade to start next to london at LB!

[illone]

Will he play Fullback or Safety?

[mzkp54]

God I hope not. I can't stand Tebow

[HigSkin]

They should sit on him until Gruden gets back in to coaching. He'd take him.

[styx491]

I remember how upset I got at the Tebow lovers when that draft was in full swing two seasons ago. Tebow won't bring much to the Redskins outside of a strong personality.

[Dirt]

People like Tebow for no good reason other than people talk about him a lot.

To those paying attention, he's not a good NFL QB. At all.

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What would make him a bigger threat on flea flickers that someone else? Catching the defense off guard that we'd actually let him throw it? He could be a great role player but his fanfare won't allow that. Wherever he goes the Tebow circus follows. It's not his fault but at this point that is just how it goes.

It is his fault. People say he's such a 'high character' guy. What I saw in Florida was a selfish arrogant holier-than-thou (literally) person. His little post-loss speech that was etched into the freaking building was full of "I" won't let this team lose, "I" will do this, "I" will do that. Oh how sweet, he's taking all the responsibility? No, he's taking the spotlight is what he's doing and he loves it. Now, a couple years later, even after being taken in the first round, everyone realizes he can't play QB in the NFL. Period.

Can't stand Tebow.

[darrelgreenie]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/303110-broncos-ready-to-cut-tebow?utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral

He'd be at least somewhat of a fit in Shanahan's offense given his arm strength and his mobility. And he'd certainly be a better option than Pryor right now. Of course, he doesn't seem like an option as a franchise QB, but as 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart (so long, Kellen), why not?I read the article and the gist I gleaned was that Denver doesn't seem like a team ready to cut nor trade the player in question.

Here's what I got:
the Bronco's are either gonna cut him or keep him:


but it's becoming increasingly likely the Broncos will keep or cut Tebow because the trade interest is dwindling rapidly.

team have expressed interest in Tebow even though he's not even on the trade market


They believe that while the Broncos are not openly trying to trade Tebow, they say that when teams have recently inquired about him, the

Because they aren't shopping Tebow the price for him isn't gonna be cheap:


just to be clear, the Broncos aren't openly shopping Tebow but teams that have asked were told: Make us an offer we can't refuse.

Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/303110-broncos-ready-to-cut-tebow?utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral#ixzz1VnjvYHTq


But if Tebow were available as a FA or for a low cost trade i.e 4th rounder or less yes I would be interested but I doubt Kyle Shanahan would be
:"If you draft him thinking you're going to correct (the flaws), then you're wrong," said Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, a former Bucs assistant. "I think it's going to be just as much up to him as the team that takes him. … If he's better at one thing than another, then you better figure out how to work that into your offense.

"If you draft him and think you're going to do what you've been doing all along, you're probably going to be getting him ready for the next coach who's going to replace you."

"You have to make sure you know they can physically do it, but also how quickly can they do it at a level where they can help," Shanahan said of prospects with technical flaws. "Some of the guys who haven't done it in college for four years, it takes them a year or two years, and in the NFL, you don't have that time."

But IIRC Mike Shanahan seemed to like Tebow.

A QB that stands a better chance of being released/traded for cheap is Jimmy Clausen and yes I would be interested in him. (Our staff had interest in Clausen last year)

[JesseNeckred]

if he was cut, then yes it would be worth giving him a look

[skinsfansince1988]

no way, he is not accurate at all and is more trouble than he is worth

[SpacePenguin]

Not as a QB. As a FB, it'd create a circus, so no thanks on that as well.

Josh McDaniels is the most insane coach I've seen in my lifetime. People want to complain about Zorn, but at least he didn't trade off what little talent we had.

As for Shanahan liking Tebow, Mike says a lot of things. Didn't see him taking Tebow at 4, though. Because he's not insane.

As a fan of the SEC, we have a much better Florida QB on the roster, and his name is Rex Grossman.

This statement is not endorsed by ESPN.

[darrelgreenie]

In order to like a prospect you have to use your highest draft pick on them?

[SpacePenguin]

In order to like a prospect you have to use your highest draft pick on them?

As a franchise QB? I'd think so, yes. Otherwise it's lip service.

As a late round project, of course not. A few teams were looking at him for that. It was just a crazy pick, not Tebow's fault.

[Madison Redskin]

Yes. Can anyone honestly say he has less potential than the 53rd man on our roster (whomever that is)?

[darrelgreenie]

As a franchise QB? I'd think so, yes. Otherwise it's lip service.Who said anything about as a "franchise" QB that's an empty term in my book.
Every team that drafts a QB hopes they become a "franchise" QB.
But I digress.

We fundamentally disagree because unlike you I don't think you have to draft a prospect with your highest draft because you like them.

Holmgren liked Colt McCoy and waited til the 3rd round to pull the trigger.


As a late round project, of course not. A few teams were looking at him for that. It was just a crazy pick, not Tebow's fault.
Mike Shanahan liked Tebow as a prospect, that's all I know and can know; the rest is open for conjecture.



As a fan of the SEC, we have a much better Florida QB on the roster, and his name is Rex Grossman.
I forgot to reply to the above and all I can say is: wow um okay couldn't disagree more.

[ArmchairRedskin]

They were saying that Tebow was 50% outside of the hashes during warmups with no defenders before the first preseason game and that Fox gave up on him being the starter a while back. Dude is never gonna be a good NFL QB. He really wasn't that good of a college QB if you really look at what he's done. Limited throws, superior talent, bigger faster than a lot of defenders. He was a great college football player. Not QB.

Him changing his throwing motion was a total farce as you can see he's made zero progress in that area. Most people say you can't change a throwing motion anyway. It's not motion on it's own that's bad, it's the inaccuracy coupled with the motion that make it bad. Look at Rivers. Tebow needs a clean pocket to operate. He can't have bodies too close to him or it's game over.

Anyway, I don't like Tebow at all so I'd be pretty pissed if he ever were to come here. Cannot stand his golly shucks put on.

[HailfrmDEN]

NO no, please no.

[Mercuryrising]

Yes. Can anyone honestly say he has less potential than the 53rd man on our roster (whomever that is)?


Yes, absolutely... Almost everyone who actually gets paid for their football knowledge (not me/us) universally agreed that Tebow would not transition from college to NFL as QB. I bet you cannot say that about our 53rd man at his position.
No one can possibly think that Tebow would be a good FB, or that his body could take the pounding that job requires. Can you honestly see him running full speed into Ray Lewis or A Ware play after play? Every HB on our roster right now is better than Tebow would be as a slow HB, same with WR.

[bulldog]

Tebow should never have been selected in Round 1. Josh McDaniels did the kid no favors. If he had been a #4 pick and had the chance to come in and learn without all the pressure and attention he might be showing more now than he is in this year's camp. But he was put under a microscope that a guy like Peyton Manning was under when he came into the league and it's not fair because Tebow doesn't have close to that kind of ability.

What we are talking about here is a player that could be a solid backup and perhaps a spot starter in the NFL. I don't think anyone realistically projects Tebow to be a pro bowl talent in the NFL.

Josh McDaniels had a lot of unusual takes on personnel, which players to keep and which ones to get rid of, but ultimately those choices were so erratic they cost him his job in Denver.

[darrelgreenie]

Tim Tebow (1) Broncos
3 games +RZ appearances- 50.0comp% 5tds-3ints/8.0 YPA/ 82.1 QBR/ 227 rsh-6 TD 27.9% rsh for 1st down

Tebow was better then people recall.
He needs to improve his efficiency/completion %.
But, comp% can be improved through scheme, coaching (decision making, anticipation etc) and reps.

[Fresh8686]

we have enough tight ends

[gkekoa]

Tim Tebow (1) Broncos
3 games +RZ appearances- 50.0comp% 5tds-3ints/8.0 YPA/ 82.1 QBR/ 227 rsh-6 TD 27.9% rsh for 1st down

Tebow was better then people recall.
He needs to improve his efficiency/completion %.
But, comp% can be improved through scheme, coaching (decision making, anticipation etc) and reps.

Tebow was much better than people remember. He was a rookie that everybody claimed was a third round prospect but he had three starts last season against middle of the pack team while playing on one of the worst teams. He was 1-2 as a starter and averaged 25 PPG. His team played better with him starting then they did with their declared starter and that is the bottom line.

[2006Skins]

Tebow was much better than people remember. He was a rookie that everybody claimed was a third round prospect but he had three starts last season against middle of the pack team while playing on one of the worst teams. He was 1-2 as a starter and averaged 25 PPG. His team played better with him starting then they did with their declared starter and that is the bottom line.

You have to remember though that was based on three games. Now, those players who we played with, want Orton to be the starter. They made it clear after the preseason got underway, when Orton was making the throws Tebow can't, that Orton was the guy. The coaches agreed. They see more than we do, and there's a reason he's now fighting for the #2 qb spot with the competition of Brady Quinn who's on his 3rd team in 5 years.

[darrelgreenie]

Tebow showed well last year.
Orton is the better QB right now, I don't dispute that.
But that doesn't mean that Tebow can't play.

Also I don't buy into circumstantial or transitive based evaluations:

and there's a reason he's now fighting for the #2 qb spot with the competition of Brady Quinn who's on his 3rd team in 5 years
Yeah there are a lot of reasons and they don't neccesarily mean that Tebow can't play.

[vicrodjr]

Oh please, just say no!!!

[VaBeachRedskin]

Depending if Chris Cooley's knee is more of a concern then the team is letting on than I wouldn't mind us giving him a look if he is released.

[Chicken Fried]

Hell yes. I would do whatever possible to get him.

[Redskins4ever]

Tebow's problems have always been his mechanics. When he drops back to pass, he holds the football too low making it easy for a defender to poke it out and create a turnover. A lot of his passes are short overthrown, or simply inaccurate. These are things that Tebow is going to have to put in a lot of practice in order to overcome, if he ever does. John Fox was right to name Orton the starter and I doubt if Tebow is a good fit for Redskins west coast offense,.

[SemperFISkins]

If Shanny thinks he could work with him and decides to trade for him, Hell yes, lets make the deal. Our offense has a few roll outs and I am sure Lil' Shanny could draw up some plays to maximize Tebow's abilities. However, the Broncos are in sort of the same position that the Skins' were in with McNabb and AH. The have to get something halfway decent for Tewbow and will not just let him go. I bet they will trade him for a 3rd or 4th rounder and another player (Sellers maybe?).

[Gurgeh]

If Shanny thinks he could work with him and decides to trade for him, Hell yes, lets make the deal. Our offense has a few roll outs and I am sure Lil' Shanny could draw up some plays to maximize Tebow's abilities. However, the Broncos are in sort of the same position that the Skins' were in with McNabb and AH. The have to get something halfway decent for Tewbow and will not just let him go. I bet they will trade him for a 3rd or 4th rounder and another player (Sellers maybe?).

No-one is going to give anything like that for him. He's currently a 3rd string QB. The question mark before he was drafted was whether he could make the grade as an NFL quarterback; in his second year as a professional he's made no progress in that regard and arguably regressed. The Broncos gambled by drafting him so high and it hasn't paid off for them, or him. If you had a desperate need to sell some jerseys or get bums on seats in your stadium he might be worth a low round pick, like a 6th or 7th. He still might make it after all but I think the Broncos will give up on him unless Orton or Quinn get injured.

[Thiebear]

He was picked by a coach that then left.
The replacement and HOF QB of operations both are not into his 'style' of play so he's a goner.

If you can get him cheap why wouldn't you.

[justice98]

He was picked by a coach that then left.
The replacement and HOF QB of operations both are not into his 'style' of play so he's a goner.

If you can get him cheap why wouldn't you.

Cuz you don't think he can play.

[carverkid]

Hell yes. I would do whatever possible to get him.

:ols: Hey there! I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

[ixcuincle]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lefsxcQzPx1qf8yek.gif

No point.

[Rodriggo]

Is it the "christian warrior" thing that get people excited about this guy?

Yeah, the guy did a lot in college but he also lost too.

Anyone remember the 2009 SEC championship? where Florida and Alabama both came in undefeated and Tebow got his senior *** kicked up and down the field? I do. No pseudo gladiator speech could get him out of that one.

How about the Senior Bowl when he was THE worst QB on the field?

The guy isn't a pro QB.

He can't throw pro routes, can't read pro defenses and isn't athletic enough to play as a "slash."

"So.......what would ya say...ya do here?"

Change positions or just let this guy disappear and go do some humanitarian work.

[Chicken Fried]

:ols: Hey there! I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Tell me more...

[greenspandan]

hell no. enough clowning around. build a solid team. last thing we need is this gimmick/distraction.

i'm sure he's a very nice fellow, but we are trying to build a legit football team here (for once!).

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Is cutting Tebow considered a mortal sin or a venial sin?

[Reaper 21]

Tim Tebow - QB - Broncos
Some members of the Broncos organization tell Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports that Tim Tebow is the fourth-best QB in training camp.
"If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy," one source said. "Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow's way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I'm telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now." Added another Broncos exec, "Forget about how [Tebow] delivers the ball, or how accurate it is. First he has to know where to go with it." Team officials are now relieved that the Dolphins opted against meeting Denver's third-round asking price on Orton. Tebow was always expected to be a developmental project, but this year's camp has been a blow to his long-term outlook.
Related: Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn, Adam Weber
Source: Yahoo! Sports Aug 23 - 3:43 PM

Via rotoworld
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[thebluefood]

MAYBE as a fullback. *Maybe*

And let me emphasize MAY-BE.

[1972FAN]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/303110-broncos-ready-to-cut-tebow?utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral

He'd be at least somewhat of a fit in Shanahan's offense given his arm strength and his mobility. And he'd certainly be a better option than Pryor right now. Of course, he doesn't seem like an option as a franchise QB, but as 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart (so long, Kellen), why not?

Absolutely no way he gets cut. Maybe traded. With that contract its a pipe dream it ain't happening.

[gkekoa]

You have to remember though that was based on three games. Now, those players who we played with, want Orton to be the starter. They made it clear after the preseason got underway, when Orton was making the throws Tebow can't, that Orton was the guy. The coaches agreed. They see more than we do, and there's a reason he's now fighting for the #2 qb spot with the competition of Brady Quinn who's on his 3rd team in 5 years.

It was only three games but that's what we have to go by. His offense played better than Orton's offense...that was also with an extreme outlier for Orton to get him up to nearly 21PPG (one game of 49 points).

As for the players claiming they want Tebow, it's led by one year wonder Brandon Lloyd who is a total "me" kind of player. He wants Orton b/c he makes his numbers look better.

Orton made throws that Tebow couldn't yet; however, the position is more than throwing the ball. You have to give a player more than a single season to learn to play the position. The bottom line for any QB is scoring...Tebow as a rookie averaged more points.

[Mercuryrising]

It was only three games but that's what we have to go by. His offense played better than Orton's offense...that was also with an extreme outlier for Orton to get him up to nearly 21PPG (one game of 49 points).

As for the players claiming they want Tebow, it's led by one year wonder Brandon Lloyd who is a total "me" kind of player. He wants Orton b/c he makes his numbers look better.

Orton made throws that Tebow couldn't yet; however, the position is more than throwing the ball. You have to give a player more than a single season to learn to play the position. The bottom line for any QB is scoring...Tebow as a rookie averaged more points.

Some posters here probably have more access to Tebow and his abilities than Elway and the coaching staff do in Denver, or maybe they don't just use a PPG spread sheet to pick their QB?

[Jericho]

Tebow was significantly over-drafted in 2010. That's not a shock, as no one placed a first round grade on him. As a QB, he was seen as a significant developmental project. So the fact he does not look great after a little more than 1 season (an no real offseason) can't be shocking. It's still worth rolling the dice on someone like that. Not just because he's athletic and willing to work, but also because he could probably be a decent FB/TE type. It just has to be at the right price, which is pretty low these days.

[GibbsFactor]

I would love to have him if the roster levels allowed it. Pick him up and put him on the PS. He'd be perfect, our own little Rudy!!


ETA: What the hell is wrong with Denver since Shannahan left? The fiasco that was McDaniels and now Elway coming in screwing the pooch worse. They tried to trade Orton until the demand wasn't what they'd hope. Tebow was the future, now he is the forth best option on the roster?

Sounds like they have one of two agendas.

1. They really want him to switch positions.
2. They are trying to push him to get maximum effort.

Or...

They just don't know what the **** they're doing.

[SkinsFTW]

Colt 2.0

No thanks

Well, maybe he can vend. He'd serve beer and dogs faster than most I believe.

[Fred Jones]

Was not hard to predict this guy had bust written all over him coming out of college. The "he just wins" argument presented in the threads at the time should never again be presented as an argument for a quarterback coming out of college to play in the NFL. You must have talent first.

[MikeK]

Simply put...No.

[SpacePenguin]

Who said anything about as a "franchise" QB that's an empty term in my book.
Every team that drafts a QB hopes they become a "franchise" QB.
But I digress.

We fundamentally disagree because unlike you I don't think you have to draft a prospect with your highest draft because you like them.

Holmgren liked Colt McCoy and waited til the 3rd round to pull the trigger.


Mike Shanahan liked Tebow as a prospect, that's all I know and can know; the rest is open for conjecture.



I forgot to reply to the above and all I can say is: wow um okay couldn't disagree more.

If you're drafting a QB in the first round from a place of sanity, then he should be a QB that can start and be at least average among other starting QBs in the league by his second year. Since Tebow isn't one, I suppose this is a moot point. I'd say Colt McCoy fits into more of a system QB mold myself, but arguing semantics isn't constructive.

Fine, Mike told the media he liked Tebow. My point is, a lot of teams liked him as a project QB/FB/TE. A certain organization decided to jump the shark here. It is what it is.

And Tim Tebow > Rex Grossman?

In the NFL? Hahaha, I agree with you, that we couldn't disagree more. I know how it is to unreasonably root for a player(James Davis), but this time I'm on the opposite side. This guy isn't even on the team though, so I'm done with the topic. Not that I mind disagreeing.

[tiger187126]

why? i was sick of the cult of colt and that guy isn't even going to come close to the followers that tebow will drag here.

he's not an nfl quarterback and if you're not going to crown him one anyway as soon as he gets off the plane then you're just asking for a bunch of fan outcry from people who just became fans of your team.

he can't beat kyle orton and now he can't even beat brady quinn.

[darrelgreenie]

then he should be a QB that can start and be at least average among other starting QBs in the league by his second year. Since Tebow isn't one, I suppose this is a moot point.Looking at how Tebow played last year there is nothing to suggest that Tebow wouldn't play well if given the chance.
But, yeah its a moot point because it appearsTebow won't be playing, until the Broncos suck again and put him in for a few games at the end of the year.


Fine, Mike told the media he liked Tebow.Right.


And Tim Tebow > Rex Grossman?Yeah, size (frame and hand), arm strength, mobility then the intangibles.
The only area Grossman would have Tebow beat is a cleaner motion and scheme knowledge.


Not that I mind disagreeing.Me neither, we're all fans of the Burgundy and Gold here.

But its a moot point altogether.
The Bronco's aren't gonna cut him and the cost to trade for him would be higher then we should pay.
And like I said earlier I doubt Kyle would want him.

I would wait for the Panthers to dump Clausen or offer them a low ball trade 5th rounder.

[Hooper]

Tim Tebow is not better than Rex or Beck.

He was a great COLLEGE player with glaring fundamental flaws that are going to be very hard to overcome.

He is Eric Crouch with a better story.

Unfortunately that story may be his downfall. He is reportedly not well-liked by his teammates, who have a problem with a backup getting so much attention and so many endorsements. Guess that's human nature. Still, I have to admit I was floored to see a billboard at Nike Headquarters in Portland that featured Adrian Peterson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Tebow!

[jthor99]

Tim Tebow is terrible. When will the rest of America realize this? People want this cat to do well because he is a nice guy, and if you have a daughter hes the type of dude you want your daughter to marry. But, the fact that people believe you can build your football organization around him is laughable.

[darrelgreenie]

Tim Tebow is not better than Rex or Beck.Well that clears it up then huh?
Just make a declarative statement, no need to qualify it as your opinion, no need to even give a reason.
Let me try that.

Tim Tebow is better then Rex Grossman.

I like it.

Trying to discuss QBs on this forum is so pointless that I might stop.

Lets say there was a list of desired QB attributes Tebow imo would have more then Grossman.
The only area I can think Grossman would have an advantage is a cleaner throwing motion.

[SpacePenguin]

I would wait for the Panthers to dump Clausen or offer them a low ball trade 5th rounder.


Now this, I agree with. Low risk, high reward. No expectations or media circus. Let him compete, and see where things go.

[McD5]

He wouldn't sign here. He wants a chance to start quickly.

[Santana_89]

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/2237900_o.gif

any more questions??

[darrelgreenie]

A look back at the QBs drafted in 2010:

Sam Bradfrod (1) Rams
16 games- 60.0comp% 18tds-15ints/ 6.0 YPA/ 76.5 QBR/ 63 rsh-1 TD 22.2% rsh for 1st down
Rookie of the year

Colt McCoy (3) Browns
8 games- 60.6comp% 6tds-9ints/ 7.1 YPA/ 74.5 QBR/ 136 rsh-1 TD 35.7% rsh for 1st down

Tim Tebow (1) Broncos
3 games +RZ appearances- 50.0comp% 5tds-3ints/8.0 YPA/ 82.1 QBR/ 227 rsh-6 TD 27.9% rsh for 1st down


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1zHpeBeZM

---------- Post added August-24th-2011 at 12:40 AM ----------

^^That guy? Terrible.

[Mercuryrising]

^^^^ Wow! So over the top... the music.... the incredible feat of winning a regular season game..... no other QB ever did that....^^^ Talk about a man crush. You got half the posts in this thread bro, we know your opinion on this matter by now.
Good Rudy reel though...I got goose bumps all over...

I guess Elway and Den coaches slept through all those highlights, or maybe it was all of the plays not on this reel that bothered them? 50% comp rate is terrible in the NFL.

[s0crates]

I would take Tebow . . .



. . . but only to be the #3 behind Beckgruber and the Rex cannon. ;)

[RonArtest15]

The Abrupt Fall of Tim Tebow

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_denver_broncos_quarterbacks_082311

He may have fallen to 4th on the depth chart behind Adam Weber....yup, Adam Weber.

Read the article....dude honestly thinks his work-ethic and character of all things is going to help him overcome this.

[darrelgreenie]

I guess if Silver says it, it must be true right?

Does it make sense to you that Denver's opinion could change that drastically in 1-2 weeks?

Do you think any credible person within the Bronco's organization would devalue their own player to the media the way *ahem* an unnamed source would?

You go ahead and trust unnamed sources.

---------- Post added August-24th-2011 at 08:46 AM ----------


other QB ever did that 50% comp rate is terrible in the NFL.Why can't people dispense with all the interent forum BS and talk brass tacks football.

Edit: Had to run real quick didn't finish my thought:
You bring up a good point w/ the comp % but the rest of the post was internet forum noise.
The 50% comp percentage needs to go up.
But dude scored 11 TDs in limited playing time.
I don't see how his play warrants him being written off.
There is certainly talent there.

[Alaskins]

Tim Tebow (1) Broncos
3 games +RZ appearances- 50.0comp% 5tds-3ints/8.0 YPA/ 82.1 QBR/ 227 rsh-6 TD 27.9% rsh for 1st down


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1zHpeBeZM

---------- Post added August-24th-2011 at 12:40 AM ----------

^^That guy? Terrible.

Yeah he's terrible alright. Ehhh.. In Coach Shanny I trust. If he thought he could do something with the kid, AND it didn't cost us much, I'd say go for it.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

He wouldn't sign here. He wants a chance to start quickly.

Which, I guess, means the CFL.

[Gurgeh]

Does it make sense to you that Denver's opinion could change that drastically in 1-2 weeks?



Tebow went into training camp as the potential number 1 with the intention that Orton would be traded. When they couldn't trade Orton the number 1 position was up for grabs. Tebow lost that in training camp, and then he lost the number 2 to Quinn, who has outperformed Tebow in camp and in the preseason games. Considering that the Broncos would look considerably less stupid if Tebow was still in competition with Orton, rather than on the fringes of the squad, I'd say there were grounds to doubt he is making the grade as an NFL QB.

[Darrell Green Fan]

"Why not"?

Because we all knew before that draft that he isn't close to an NFL QB. I really don't understand why fans continue to want to pick up ex college stars that were cut in the NFL. How many of them actually turned into great players later? For every one there are 100 Heath Shuler, Maybins etc.

[wilco_holland]

Tebow is amazing (Gators fan opinion)...60 off plays, 40 run, 20 pass and he will be fine. Don´t think he is a great thrower but I love his love for the game.

[the monk]

i look at it this way.... if the Shannahans think they can develop him, then great..... he needs work throwing the ball, but there is no denying his athletic ability, leadership, passion for the game, and drive to be a good QB..... those are intangibles that can't be taught.... throwing more accurately can be..... bring him in, let him learn behind Beck/Grossman (just like they did with Beck last year) and see what he has.... if he picks up the system, and shows improvement, maybe we won't have to give up our entire draft next year to draft Andrew Luck and we can continue to build depth and a solid young up and coming team.

[kiingspadee]

Tebow is one of the most overrated players. Get him out of the NFL.


Ryan Leaf is even laughing at this kid

[Bliz]

Absolutely no way he gets cut. Maybe traded. With that contract its a pipe dream it ain't happening.

He's not getting traded either. They invested too much money (and the draft pick) to just cut him outright now, before they really get a chance to see whatever it is he has. That will take at least a full year with a real offseason program. He has zero trade value right now. They're not just gonna drop him for a 5th round pick (and I don't know that they can get that much for him)

Tebow will not get cut or traded. Bet the house, bet the wife, bet the kids.

Zero chance it happens. ZERO.

[kiingspadee]

He's not getting traded either. They invested too much money (and the draft pick) to just cut him outright now, before they really get a chance to see whatever it is he has. That will take at least a full year with a real offseason program. He has zero trade value right now. They're not just gonna drop him for a 5th round pick (and I don't know that they can get that much for him)

Tebow will not get cut or traded. Bet the house, bet the wife, bet the kids.

Zero chance it happens. ZERO.

WAIT WAIT I thought we were supposed to hide the kids, hide the wife, and hide the husband too cause they raping errybody out here

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1002901_o.gif

[DC9]

If he was supposed to be a late second/early 3rd round draft pick (the Broncos jumped the gun) and Shanny thought he could've gotten him there....then why would he have traded for McNabb if he though Tebow had any kind of potential?

I've always liked Tim, but I just don't think he's a quarterback and I believe based on this Shanny feels the same.

[Tarantula]

He's never going to be an NFL QB, so he'd have to be willing to play HB or TE

[Santana_89]

I'd rather see if we can develop Ben Chappell quite honestly stash him on the pratice squad. I don't dislike Tebow but he's not impressed me.

[Spartacus87]

Was not hard to predict this guy had bust written all over him coming out of college. The "he just wins" argument presented in the threads at the time should never again be presented as an argument for a quarterback coming out of college to play in the NFL. You must have talent first.
This.

Tebow was an amazing college QB in Dan Mullen's spread option. But he also had ridiculous weapons like Percy Harvin and Aaron Hernandez and was able to get away with things, physically, at the college level that he can't in the pros.

I'd say about 90% of the people who argued for Tebow used either the "he's just a winner" argument, or were blind UF fans (or worse, blind Tebow fans who just liked him a lot as a person).

Once McDaniels got the boot from Denver, the writing was on the wall for Tebow out there.

[Hooper]

Lets say there was a list of desired QB attributes Tebow imo would have more then Grossman.
The only area I can think Grossman would have an advantage is a cleaner throwing motion.

Love how you always bash Grossman but tie yourself in knots defending/praising Beck, who has never had one good NFL game.

Hey, I like Beck too. And I would love it if he proved to be a good QB and won lots of games for us. If he is our starter, awesome. I will support him 100 percent and trust the Shanahans.

Will you do the same if they go with Rex? I highly doubt it. It's clear to everyone on this board how biased you are. You have scouted Beck and think he's better. Case closed.

As for Tebow... I will be very surprised if he has a 5 year NFL career, much less a ten year one like Rex is enjoying.

[justice98]

The Abrupt Fall of Tim Tebow

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_denver_broncos_quarterbacks_082311

He may have fallen to 4th on the depth chart behind Adam Weber....yup, Adam Weber.



I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm gonna defend Tim Tebow on this one. I think that's kinda ridiculous. In actual regular season game action, he didn't embarrass himself (faint praise, I know), and actually won a game. They scored 23, 24, and 28 pts with him at QB. He's got to be better than this Adam Weber person.

[Hooper]

I'm not a believer in Tebow, but you just never know.

So much about becoming a success in this league comes down to getting a shot at the right time with the right team. That's why I'm optimistic about Rex and Beck.

[jivelikenice]

This is a perfect example to me of people over-examining what someone looks like throwing passes w/o pads and shorts on. Tebow started 3 games and in those games accounted for 650 yards passing, 200 yards rushing, 8 TDs (5 passing), and 3 Ints. In those games they averaged 25 ppg and wait, he was still a rookie! How can anyone look at that production and actually say this kid can't be a QB? I don't know if he can develop into a franchise guy, but it is ridiculous that people are discounting him as a quarterback, when his REGULAR SEASON productivity dwarfs that of our potential starting QB.

Orton will look better throwing in OTA's in passing camp 10 times out of 10, but Tebow is a gamer.

How many of you folks who are criticizing him actually watched his starts last year?

[darrelgreenie]

Love how you always bash Grossman but tie yourself in knots defending/praising Beck, who has never had one good NFL game.Show me one post where I've 'bashed' Rex?
Your posts about Beck are closer to bashing then anything I've written about Rex.

Heck, I've even stated that whomever plays QB next will do better then expected be it Beck or Rex.
And what does Beck vs Rex have to do with this discussion?

And if you call being unbiased and not writing a player off because of there circumstances and judging them based on talent "defending" then so be it.


Will you do the same if they go with Rex? I highly doubt it. It's clear to everyone on this board how biased you are. You have scouted Beck and think he's better. Case closed.
See above about Rex or Beck having a better season then most expect.
If being biased means thinking Beck is more physically talented QB then Rex, then sure I'm biased.


As for Tebow... I will be very surprised if he has a 5 year NFL career, much less a ten year one like Rex is enjoying.That might be the case.
But, it doesn't take away from my opinion that Tebow is more talented then Rex.

BTW-I don't see how this post bashes Rex, unless suggesting a comparison of skillset is bashing.


Lets say there was a list of desired QB attributes Tebow imo would have more then Grossman.
The only area I can think Grossman would have an advantage is a cleaner throwing motion.

[KDawg]

Well, Tebow's drop could be due to a change in offensive philosophy. I'm not sure how much Denver's offense changed, but Tebow fits a particular style offense. If they changed it enough, it makes sense that he's dropped to fourth.

[dent19]

No! Never! No way! Get lost!

[Morneblade]

Lets say there was a list of desired QB attributes Tebow imo would have more then Grossman.
The only area I can think Grossman would have an advantage is a cleaner throwing motion.


Being someone that has bashed Grossman on more than one occation (and I still trust him as far as I can kick him) I would say that Tebow is more talented physically, but Grossman is a better QB. He makes quicker reads, has better pocket pressence and is more accurate. Which coming from what I think at Rex isnt saying all that much, but I would rather have Rex than Tebow. I just threw up saying that.:puke:

[BruinSkin]

This is a perfect example to me of people over-examining what someone looks like throwing passes w/o pads and shorts on. Tebow started 3 games and in those games accounted for 650 yards passing, 200 yards rushing, 8 TDs (5 passing), and 3 Ints. In those games they averaged 25 ppg and wait, he was still a rookie! How can anyone look at that production and actually say this kid can't be a QB? I don't know if he can develop into a franchise guy, but it is ridiculous that people are discounting him as a quarterback, when his REGULAR SEASON productivity dwarfs that of our potential starting QB.

Orton will look better throwing in OTA's in passing camp 10 times out of 10, but Tebow is a gamer.

How many of you folks who are criticizing him actually watched his starts last year?

Man, I totally agree. And this coming from someone who was super critical of Tebow's chances pre-NFL draft. He did nothing last season or this preseason to warrant his demotion nor all the harsh words coming his direction from fans. I'll take a guy like Tim Tebow (physically gifted and ridiculous worth ethic/will power) over a guy with raw potential who couldn't give a crap about succeeding. I'm looking at you Jamarcus Russell.