Cam Newton=BUST?

[SkinsFTW]

I'll be the first to admit that I thought he'd be just about guaranteed to be a bust, or at least suck for a few years. He had almost no experience coming into the league.

So what happens now that we've seen his first game and he broke league records?

[Ellis]

See if he can do it again. Against the Skins.
If not... bust.





:ols: :cheers:

[SonOfWashington]

Maybe a win eventually.

[terrifNick21]

It's one game. Against a weaker defense. He played well apparently, but one game, even had it been terrible, isn't enough to declare someone a bust.


We'll see how well he plays next week against a much better defense.

[Mr. Sinister]

It's one game dude. It's way too early to get an accurate assessment of his game. We also don't know how good or bad AZ's coaching scheme/philosophy/players are. Give it a season, at least...

[Bubble Screen]

I'll be the first to admit that I thought he'd be just about guaranteed to be a bust, or at least suck for a few years. He had almost no experience coming into the league.

So what happens now that we've seen his first game and he broke league records?

It was one game. And against a very bad defense at that. He still could very well end up a bust.

[SkinsFTW]

Added the poll. Too bad the thread starts before the poll is added, lol.

[Mr. Sinister]

I'm pretty sure that the Packers are going to give him his overdue official Welcome To The NFL.

---------- Post added September-12th-2011 at 11:40 PM ----------

Before the end of last season, I figured he'd be a 2 year project, and would in time be serviceable. However, I didn't think he'd be a fit for our system, and wanted us to stay as far away from him as possible. Same with Locker.

I will say that Cam has already exceeded my expectations, though they were very low to begin with, asa far as immediate expectations are concerned.

[Destino]

I have no idea what he'll be but he had a damn good first game. He won't have another 400 yard passing day this year IMO but he might be pretty good. Who knows? If I had to bet I'd say thing will get ugly for him this year. His team is horrible and he's not as accurate as his numbers suggested week 1

[BuddyLeeGhostHunter]

I see him as a Vince Young but a better passer and less baggage.

If he acquires a half-decent team around him he could do some damage.

[SirClintonPortis]

They are installing the San Diego O down there in Carolina, so Newton will be going deep, often...and boy, it's pretty good and he likes throwing them, unlike that other Auburn QB. ;)

[Hooper]

It's only one game.

But he is an unbelievable physical specimen. I've never seen anything like it.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

He'll be good with great moments

I always thought he was devoid of accuracy but damn, he made some good ones yesterday

I think you can win with him

[Area51]

He looked pretty damn good yesterday. Very surprising, especially considering how he looked in preseason.

[SkinsFTW]

It's only one game.

But he is an unbelievable physical specimen. I've never seen anything like it.

Didn't they say the same thing about Vince Young?

He was rookie of the year, cover of madden, while he had a mid 60 qb rating. Won a ton of games, then it all came crashing down after the league figured him out.

[Bubble Screen]

I see him as a Vince Young but a better passer and less baggage.

If he acquires a half-decent team around him he could do some damage.

He's not a better passer than Young. Cam completed just a little over 40% of his throws in preseason. The 65% on Sunday was an abberation.

And it doesn't help that their leader on defense (Beason) is now out for the season. Plus they have a tough schedule. They're still gonna be pretty terrible.

[sportjunkie07]

good first game...i do think he belongs in the nfl, but i dont think he'll be elite. his mobility will keep him viable as an nfl stater for a few years at least, and, out of the qb's in that draft, i dont think the panthers could have done much better.

i just dont see the accuracy and touch coming from him anytime soon. he took advantage of a rough defense and an injured team... good for him. i do expect some "elite" games, but more bad than good.

[MusicCitySkin]

At best he's a scrambling Roethlisberger.

I refuse to make an assessment until after two full seasons of play. Teams need to have enough film on a player to really see what he's got, and if he can make the proper adjustments a quarterback needs to make.

Cam certainly has the physical ability, but Tebow also ripped it up at the end of last season. Now he's third on the depth chart, Don't count your chickens.

[paloosa]

It is only one game and too quick to judge if he is going to be great, average or just down right terrible. I am leaning more to the average side because he does have a lot of talent but one game against Arizona doesn't make him a great QB. I will say this though. He is better than Vince Young, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, and several others that were drafted in recent memory.

[IrepDC]

If he had thrown four INTs, everyone would be saying I told you so. Now everyone is back peddling faster than Champ Bailey in his prime. I was really happy to see him perform so well, because SO MANY people were SO SURE he was a guaranteed bust. At least for one week he can get some of the respect he should have already been getting.

I still think he ends up an above average to elite level QB.

[Destino]

At best he's a scrambling Roethlisberger.
You say that as if that wouldn't be a good QB.

[Rodriggo]

I knew he was a "winner" in college, said as much on here.

He stunk at the combine and didn't impress in the preseason but damn what a start!

400 yards, three touchdowns in his first game on the road?! Great ******* start.

Hope this guy nothing but the best. Go Cam, keep proving the "experts" wrong.

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You say that as if that wouldn't be a good QB.

Haha! I know, who would want that?

At best he's a two-time champ, double threat mind **** to gameplan against, meh.

[MusicCitySkin]

You say that as if that wouldn't be a good QB.

Well, that wasn't what I meant. Saying 'at best' would mean that's what I think he's most capable of. That would be a very good thing.

[darrelgreenie]

The thread title is interesting considering the circumstances.
You wouldn't even think Cam set 2 NFL records on Sunday.

[ConcordNCSkinsFan]

Looks like Cam and his "Fake Smile" can play on this level, how good he will get is up to him. I will admit that other Defenses won't be as dumb as Arizona and keep sending blitzes that Cam could see a mile away. That left one on one matchups for Steve Smith, Jeremy Shockey and the rest of those receivers. Cam just had to put the ball up and give them chances to make plays.

[Chachie]

I don't know.

[PokerPacker]

I can't wait to see him play next week :)

[darrelgreenie]

Looks like Cam and his "Fake Smile" can play on this level, how good he will get is up I will admit that other Defenses won't be as dumb as Arizona and keep sending blitzes that Cam could see a mile away. That left one on one matchups for Steve Smith, Jeremy Shockey and the rest of those receivers. Cam just had to put the ball up and give them chances to make plays.I think the Zona was trying to test his poise and accuracy by blitzing and playing man to man.
Afterall that's a good strategy against QBs that get rattled by pass rush/blitz and lack accuracy against the tight windows man to man creates.

I think Cam and Chudz/Shula had all the answers to the test pretty well.

---------- Post added September-13th-2011 at 12:32 PM ----------


I can't wait to see him play next week :)
I think Capers zone-blitz looks are tough for any QB.
It will be interesting to watch how Chudz/Shula game plan that 3-4 front.
I'm gonna DVR the short cuts for that game.

[pjfootballer]

Cam, I want to introduce you to Mr. Matthews. He'll be your escort for the next 60 minutes!

[SkinsFTW]

Coming out of Auburn, Cam Newton looks like the Anti-Jason Candle so far. They might have to tone it down some but he's nothing like Captain Checkdown at all.

[tdigle]

I went with the first choice although I don't fully agree with it. I think Newton will end up being a just-below elite QB a la Matt Schaub, Donovan McNabb in his prime, or Ben Roethlisberger.

[SkinsFTW]

By the way. I'm watching that game right now on NFL network. Cam Newton did throw an INT but it was called back because of a bogus roughing the passer penalty, he also wouldn't have thrown that 1 TD either.

He seems to have all kinds of time to pass also. Grossman is going to pick this defense apart this week unless our OL really is as bad as it looked against the Giants.

[Bubble Screen]

Coming out of Auburn, Cam Newton looks like the Anti-Jason Candle so far. They might have to tone it down some but he's nothing like Captain Checkdown at all.Yeah, because one game tells the story.:doh:

[SkinsFTW]

Yeah, because one game tells the story.:doh:

If you can't tell already that he's not like Captain Checkdown at all then I don't know what to tell you. He was slinging it all over the field. He's already made more big plays in 1 game than Campbell has in 60+ games starting.

[Bubble Screen]

If you can't tell already that he's not like Captain Checkdown at all then I don't know what to tell you. He was slinging it all over the field. He's already made more big plays in 1 game than Campbell has in 60+ games starting.Who said anything about Jason Campbell? I sure as hell didn't.

Arizona's defense is horrible. They lost Rodgers-Cromartie. They decided to stack the line, and come after Cam. Not a bad gameplan IF you have corners that can actually cover someone. Grossman should have a field day, if they employ this same strategy on Sunday.

Cam played great. Even I have to admit that. But its just one week. And against a terrible team. Week 2 against the Packers, you'll get to see more of what the guy's made of. Capers will throw everything at him. I suspect he will complete less than 50% of his throws on Sunday, just as he did in nearly every preseason game.

[SkinsFTW]

Who said anything about Jason Campbell? I sure as hell didn't.



Did you actually read what you quoted then? Your post makes no sense at all then.

[SauzzBozz]

he showed good poise and granted it could have been just a lucky game, he does possess the traits to become a good QB in the future. I think only time will tell.

[JdoubleU]

Didn't they say the same thing about Vince Young?

He was rookie of the year, cover of madden, while he had a mid 60 qb rating. Won a ton of games, then it all came crashing down after the league figured him out.

Vince Young throws like a girl. That may have something to do with his flame out. If it means anything, he did have a winning record despite the immature behavior.

[DCranon21]

Cam's pace is throwing close to 6,000 yards if he keeps this up. Another 400+ yard day. Brady is on pace to throw for 7,000 yards. I think Carolina has their starter for years to come.

[SirClintonPortis]

Newtonium >>> Campbellium.

[SkinsFTW]

Newtonium >>> Campbellium.

Hell, I go as far as to say that Newton is already better than Vick. I mean as a QB, not as a playmaker overall yet.

He's going to make dumb rookie mistakes and probably have 20+ ints this year but he stays with the play and doesn't just run for it after 2-3 seconds if he can't find a receiver open. That is why I thought he'd be a bust. I thought that since he ran more than passed at Auburn that he'd just get jacked up after a few games and never play full seasons. So far the team has him doing it right. He's passed 5 times more than he's ran.

If he keeps doing that then he'll have a long career rather than play 6-8 games a year before being injured.

I had a Vick bet going that he'd last no more than 4 games before he was injured and missed time. He didn't even make it 2 games. I win 100 bucks from an Eagles fan. :wavetowel

[Bubble Screen]

Cam's pace is throwing close to 6,000 yards if he keeps this up. Another 400+ yard day. Brady is on pace to throw for 7,000 yards. I think Carolina has their starter for years to come.Cam's also on pace to throw 32 INT.

[Destino]

Cam's also on pace to throw 32 INT.
4 more than Peyton Manning threw in his rookie year. Point is interceptions are going to happen if you put a rookie out there and ask him to throw a lot. Carolina fans have much cause for hope.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

Spam Crouton is experiencing what our 'genius' head coach Jim Zorn was going through when he went 6-2. Teams aren't exactly sure how to defend against someone/something that doesn't belong in the NFL... Eventually, each pair of panties gets sniffed out-- the rotten ones are thrown away (or sold on craigslist for double) while the freshies sit at the very top of your sock drawer and become the topic of conversation amongst the masses.

Cam's overly-discharged panties will eventually see the light when smart coaches figure out how simple his skillset really is.

As much as I hated Spam coming out of college-- I'm actually really glad he has shut up so many critics and done his thing. I hope he becomes the most exciting player in football, but my gut and larger-than-average brain is telling me that he has a few years before he starts putting up numbers WHILE winning games

[Bubble Screen]

4 more than Peyton Manning threw in his rookie year. Point is interceptions are going to happen if you put a rookie out there and ask him to throw a lot. Carolina fans have much cause for hope.

Never said they didn't have reason for hope. But it's kind of foolish to post what Cam is on pace to have, as far as passing yardage. Yet don't mention that he's on pace for 32 picks.

Carolina still isn't going anywhere anytime soon. With the injuries to Beason, and now Davis, they are gonna be horrible on defense the rest of the season. Their secondary is already woeful. They should win more than the two games they won last year. But not much more than that.

[Rodriggo]

IMHO, Cam Newton is the most electrifying rookie since Bo Jackson.

[One Shot]

still can't believe a guy age 22 can sling the ball like that all over a field filled with gnashing bears defense vets. His throwing style has college ball written all over it though

[thebluefood]

Wow. Looks like I was wrong about Newton. He's playing like a grown ass man out of the gate.

[DCSaints_fan]

Not looking forward to facing this guy ... they are overdue for a W.

[SirClintonPortis]

His pace has settled a bit, but he's still on pace to break Marino's record. lol.

[Destino]

If you had asked prior to the season how many 350 yards passing games Cam would have his rookie year would people have said 3 or more? Has has that in the first four games. He has an 80+ rating as a rookie on an absolutely horrible team. He's 3rd in the league in passing yards.

I don't care that he has as many picks as TD. He's a rookie and interceptions are expected. The future looks insanely bright for him at this point. .

[Bubble Screen]

Not looking forward to facing this guy ... they are overdue for a W.They won last week.

[DCranon21]

The man has resurrected Steve Smith career. He's the real deal.

[SkinsFTW]

I don't care that he has as many picks as TD. He's a rookie and interceptions are expected. The future looks insanely bright for him at this point. .

Thats what I was saying after the 2nd week and he's still lighting teams up and it's not like he's 2-1 Ints to Td's either like most rookie QB's. I expected to get a good laugh out of this guy this year but apparently he's going to be be the real deal, he looks like Steve Young/Warren Moon good on a horrible team. They haven't lost by more than a TD.

I'd say that the closest comparison would be Warren Moon on that craptacular mid 80's Oilers team but Moon had played for 6 seasons as a Pro in Canada. Newton has almost no experience and should only get better.

Considering I expected him to be a Russell/Leaf that's unbelievable.

[DCranon21]

I'd say that the closest comparison would be Warren Moon on that craptacular mid 80's Oilers team but Moon had played for 6 seasons as a Pro in Canada. Newton has almost no experience and should only get better.



I think he's being mentored by Warren Moon, if I'm not mistaken. He came in and took over that team.

[Hooper]

I can't believe how good he looks. His accuracy is way better than even his biggest fans predicted and he looks like a vet every time he drops back.

Biggest fail of the year goes to Nolan Nawrocki, who trashed him mercilessly before the draft on a real personal level.

[Botched]

Jimmy Clausen cries himself to sleep every Sunday night.

[Skinzfever2010]

Cam played a great game against us today. We had a week to figure things out against him after letting a poor Eagles team squeak by us last week and we didn't. He is clearly better than any QB we have had here the last 20 years. The Panthers offense is putting up 30 points a game easy and are a few solid pieces away from being a contender again.

Talk about a quick rebuilding phase. Hopefully Mike starts figuring our offense out here soon.

[Redskinzfan30]

Not looking forward to facing this guy ... they are overdue for a W.

Wow you called it. Yeah so much for everyone saying he was gonna bust hard.

[benskins26]

I'm pretty sure I called him out in this thread. I'll eat my crow. I really hate it though. Guy is a scumbag

[Mr. Sinister]

Cam Newton is legit. I was wrong about him as far as pre-draft expectations are concerned. Way wrong. Carolina has their QB of the present and future. smh

[Enter Apotheosis]

Definitely legit. He made some throws to Steve Smith today that were perfect.


The Panthers offense is putting up 30 points a game easy

They have a good offense but you're overstating their play so far. Prior to today the Panthers were 18th in scoring and had not cracked the 30 point mark once.

[SkinsFTW]

Guy is a scumbag

What did he do to make him a scumbag? I hope you aren't talking about some stupid crap from college.

[Mr. Sinister]

What did he do to make him a scumbag? I hope you aren't talking about some stupid crap from college.

He took money under the table to play for Auburn. Thats about it, as far as I know. But of course, it doesn't take much for an athlete to be considered a scumbag in some peoples eyes.

[Bubble Screen]

Man, a lot of you guys were out to lunch on Newton.:paranoid: