Poll: As a Redskins fan, which is more important to you? A winning season, or beating Dallas twice?

[Painkiller]

Pretty clear question. I think far too many of our fans would vote for beating Dallas twice. Let's see what happens.

[Bobbyst21]

Ummmm,am i missing the poll?Is it in ninja text?lol
I'd rather we have a winning season.But i definitely do not wanna get swept by those pukes.

[Skinz4Life12]

a winning season that includes beating dallas twice :)

[thecardiacrll]

Winning season no question about it.

[tiger187126]

this isn't college ball.

maybe if you were a fan of a team like the ravens you would say **** the playoffs we're there every year, i just want to stomp the steelers out twice this year.

i bet buffalo fans last year would have said they would rather beat the pats twice instead of having a winning record, but they might get both this year.

[Phixius]

Neither, I choose life.

[MONTEY]

As much as I despise a Cowturd and all their inbred fans I want it all. As in a winning season, in the playoffs at least to the second round. I'm fine with that. All my years as a Skins fan I could never accept a losing season but enjoy beating the turds twice. No. Again I want it all man.

[Skins4Life6388]

I hope this isn't a serious question. If we lost to Dallas twice and still made the playoffs I'd be ecstatic.

[Califan007]

Depends on what type of "winning season" you're talking about.

I'd rather go 7-9 and sweep Dallas...than go 9-7 and lose to Dallas twice.

But I'd rather go 11-5 and lose to Dallas twice because at east then our record should get us into the playoffs. A 9-7 record might end up being the equivalent of the "Most Improved" trophy they hand out at the end of the little league season :ols:

[authentic]

I would prefer to be in the playoffs. I HATE Dallas like the next person, but i would much prefer to leave them watching us while we're in the hunt.

[Kurenai]

So you'd really prefer a 2-14 season that involves beating Dallas twice, over, say, an 11-5 season and a playoff berth?


That would be 50 weeks of misery every year and 2 weeks of delight for a Skins fan. Doesn't sound like a good ratio.

[Santana_89]

I would rather have the winning season and if we beat the cowturds at FedEx so much the better.

[Califan007]

It's funny, but the poll does NOT say "make the playoffs"...it merely says "a winning season".

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

I'm not sure how any Redskins fan could justify saying that it's more important to sweep Dallas in comparison to the team obtaining a winning record/season. For example: If we were to win the Super Bowl and during that season got swept by the Cowboys would that really bother any of you? Personally that wouldn't even bother me for the most obvious reasons. How about we sweep Dallas and obtain a winning record/season at the same time <--That's what i'm always down for.

[Califan007]

I want everyone to think about this:

Which would make you more irritated...going 7-9 but sweeping the Cowboys?

Or going 9-7 and missing out on the playoffs BECAUSE we couldn't beat the Cowboys? :ols:...Going 9-7 and missing out on the division title--and thus a home-field playoff game-- BECAUSE we were unable to beat the Cowboys even once?

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

I want everyone to think about this:

Which would make you more irritated...going 7-9 but sweeping the Cowboys?

Or going 9-7 and missing out on the playoffs BECAUSE we couldn't beat the Cowboys? :ols:...Going 9-7 and missing out on the division title--and thus a home-field playoff game-- BECAUSE we were unable to beat the Cowboys even once?
:ols: Damn these brain twisters. I think we could come up with endless scenarios that would push fans to contradict themselves a bit depending on the actual question.

[Painkiller]

If we finished 9-7 this year (playoffs or not) and lost to Dallas twice I would be ecstatic.

Redskins fans put far to much into this rivalry. I don't think Dallas fans even come close to seeing the Redskins in the same manner. They are our division rival, easily our most hated rival, but they are still just a team we play twice a year. We all need to start looking at the bigger picture.

[Houston2Taylor2Landry]

If we went 0-6 in the East but made the playoffs at 9-7 I wouldn't care one bit.

[Painkiller]

I want everyone to think about this:

Which would make you more irritated...going 7-9 but sweeping the Cowboys?

Or going 9-7 and missing out on the playoffs BECAUSE we couldn't beat the Cowboys? :ols:...Going 9-7 and missing out on the division title--and thus a home-field playoff game-- BECAUSE we were unable to beat the Cowboys even once?

:ols:

For me going 7-9 but sweeping the Cowboys would be a worse scenario....it would suck the other way around make no mistake, but I'd feel much more optimistic about the future if we narrowly miss the playoffs due to losing both games (and the other 5) to the Cowboys.

[MrJL]

a winning season. But even that would be disappointing if we didn't beat Dallas once

[ciresolstice]

a winning season easily... how about a split? hahah.

[Painkiller]

a winning season that includes beating dallas twice :)

2005 was your year. :)

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If we went 0-6 in the East but made the playoffs at 9-7 I wouldn't care one bit.

pretty much impossible, but I appreciate the sentiment. :ols:

[Seabee1973]

2005 was your year. :)

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pretty much impossible, but I appreciate the sentiment. :ols:

I think its a once in a lifetime event LOL

Dont know where the extra text come from

[Califan007]

:ols: Damn these brain twisters. I think we could come up with endless scenarios that would push fans to contradict themselves a bit depending on the actual question.
It's the 15th week of the season...the Redskins are 7-6, and still in playoff contention...if they win, they are two more wins away from not only from a postseason birth but also from winning the division title. If they lose, they are eliminated from the playoff race.

Their opponent? The Dallas Cowboys lol...who they've already lost to earlier in the season.

The Skins end up losing the game--and are eliminated from playoff contention--in some infuriating manner like the 7-6 crapfest in 2009 or the Crayton TD catch with less than 30 seconds to go in 2004 lol :mad:...

Even if the Skins go on to win those last two games and finish 9-7, 99% of this board is gonna be fuming about how the Skins are the "same ol' Skins" and can't seize the opportunity, and that the two wins at the end of the season were "meaningless" and that we would have been better off losing them for a higher draft pick :ols:...




:ols:

For me going 7-9 but sweeping the Cowboys would be a worse scenario....it would suck the other way around make no mistake, but I'd feel much more optimistic about the future if we narrowly miss the playoffs due to losing both games (and the other 5) to the Cowboys.
See above lol :D...

[tiger187126]

If we went 0-6 in the East but made the playoffs at 9-7 I wouldn't care one bit.

what, you don't want to be the raiders and go 6-0 and not make the playoffs?

[Houston2Taylor2Landry]

what, you don't want to be the raiders and go 6-0 and not make the playoffs?

Precisely! :ols:

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

It's the 15th week of the season...the Redskins are 7-6, and still in playoff contention...if they win, they are two more wins away from not only from a postseason birth but also from winning the division title. If they lose, they are eliminated from the playoff race.

Their opponent? The Dallas Cowboys lol...who they've already lost to earlier in the season.

The Skins end up losing the game--and are eliminated from playoff contention--in some infuriating manner like the 7-6 crapfest in 2009 or the Crayton TD catch with less than 30 seconds to go in 2004 lol :mad:...

Even if the Skins go on to win those last two games and finish 9-7, 99% of this board is gonna be fuming about how the Skins are the "same ol' Skins" and can't seize the opportunity, and that the two wins at the end of the season were "meaningless" and that we would have been better off losing them for a higher draft pick :ols:...

Basically sums up the fact that Redskins fans will never be satisfied unless a Super Bowl victory occurs but we also know that a major debate/fight would transpire after that involving whether Snyder deserves any credit or not :ols:. The craziness will never end.

[SWFLSkins]

It's funny, but the poll does NOT say "make the playoffs"...it merely says "a winning season".

And Cal that winning season would include being better than .500, so basically 9-7 or better, and 9-7 may even make the playoffs these days. If the team fails to make the playoffs and they lose twice to Dallas I would not be happy, but I would be happy if they lost twice and the Redskins did make the playoffs. Is that even a question?

[MLSKINS]

.......Redskins fans will never be satisfied unless a Super Bowl victory occurs but we also know that a major debate/fight would transpire after that involving whether Snyder deserves any credit or not :ols:. The craziness will never end.
:ols: You just confirmed my theory that nothing will satisfy everybody on ES. Not even a Super Bowl victory.

[-JB-]

I'd rather go 14-2 and lose to Dallas once & win the SB.... Oh, wait.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I can't fathom how this isn't unanimous.

[Painkiller]

I can't fathom how this isn't unanimous.

I can. Some of our fans are challenged upstairs.

[DeaconTheVillain]

7 people need to see a Pdoc ASAP!

[Califan007]

And Cal that winning season would include being better than .500, so basically 9-7 or better, and 9-7 may even make the playoffs these days. If the team fails to make the playoffs and they lose twice to Dallas I would not be happy, but I would be happy if they lost twice and the Redskins did make the playoffs. Is that even a question?

That's why just simply having a winning season shouldn't be enough. The Giants went 10-6 last season and didn't make the playoffs.

And, what if the Cowboys end up winning the division precisely because they swept the Redskins? lol :doh:...

Honesty--this question isn't as cut and dried as we want to think it is.

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I can't fathom how this isn't unanimous.


I can. Some of our fans are challenged upstairs.


7 people need to see a Pdoc ASAP!
Without the guarantee of at least a playoff birth it just comes across as Skins fans desperate for any resemblance of success.

[SirClintonPortis]

If we're not winning the Super Bowl, then hell yeah I'll take a sweep of Dallas.

[Painkiller]

If we're not winning the Super Bowl, then hell yeah I'll take a sweep of Dallas.

so anything short of winning the Super Bowl, and you would rather sweep Dallas regardless of how many other games we win?

:)

[SirClintonPortis]

so anything short of winning the Super Bowl, and you would rather sweep Dallas regardless of how many other games we win?

:)Yes.

3-0 sweeps count. ;)

[BleedBNG]

If it were just a winning season, but not the playoffs... beating Dallas twice. If it includes the playoffs... a winning season.

[Painkiller]

If it were just a winning season, but not the playoffs... beating Dallas twice. If it includes the playoffs... a winning season.

Interesting :)

So if we finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs, but lost to Dallas twice.

You would trade 8 wins, just to sweep Dallas?

[BleedBNG]

Interesting :)

So if we finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs, but lost to Dallas twice.

You would trade 8 wins, just to sweep Dallas?

If we don't make the playoffs, a 9-7 or 10-6 means nothing... so I'll take beating Dallas twice for SOME kind of bragging rights.

[SirClintonPortis]

Interesting :)

So if we finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs, but lost to Dallas twice.

You would trade 8 wins, just to sweep Dallas?

If a 2-14 Redskins team swept Dallas, it would mark a COMPLETE embarassment on the part of the Cowboys no matter how far they go.

You only need to go 8-8 to not have a winning season, though. ;)

[Mr. Nostril]

The playoffs are an important part of the equation.

Would I rather go 9-7, miss the playoffs, and lose to the Cowboys or go 7-9, miss the playoffs and sweep the Cowboys(I'd rather sweep the Cowboys)

But, I will always take a 17th game over a win vs. the Cowboys

[SkinsFTW]

Did anyone prefer Norv Turner's 1995 season (we swept Dallas and finished 6-10) over the 1991 season (We beat everybody and won the SB but lost to Dallas once in a meaningless game)?

Really?

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I can't fathom how this isn't unanimous.

Ghost votes. Even our members, are crazy and obsessed with Dallas as most are, aren't that retarded.

Hail.

*Edit* Scrap that, I'm now reading through the thread.

[Dirt]

oh man, great question. I was thinking this yesterday.

I guess it's not as simple as putting it into 2 choices like that though. If you're telling me we only win 4 games and 2 of them are dallas then hell no, I would rather be over .500 obviously

But I was having thoughts after the loss like 'I would rather **** up the rams or cardinals game than the dallas game'

rly it's about the division so let's not **** up the iggles game ;)

[scruffylookin]

1999 was alot more fun than 1995

[Tweedr01]

This is an unfair poll, is there no option for both?

[HogNose]

There is only one answer. I know this poll is a joke, but who the hell are the 17 that voted "beating Dallas twice?":ols:

[ldysknzfn1]

I would rather have a winning season of course. I have, however, heard myself say this numerous times during the height of one of our many losing seasons, "as long as we beat Dallas 2 times, I'm ok".

Life in a perfect Skins world = winning season & beating Dallas 2 times and that should be a choice in your poll :pfft: If I had to make a choice tho, winning season is my preference hands down!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Without the guarantee of at least a playoff birth it just comes across as Skins fans desperate for any resemblance of success.

I don't care...I'd rather have a winning season and show that we're moving in the right direction rather than sweep the Cowboys and have a crappy season. I like the Redskins more than I hate the Cowboys.

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1999 was alot more fun than 1995

Exactly.

[AsburySkinsFan]

This is a trick question.

Playing .500 ball is meaningless so if it's a choice between going 9-7 or beating Dallas twice, I choose beating Dallas, because 9-7 gets doesn't get us into the playoffs.
Now, if the question was which would you rather have .750 ball 12-4 or beating Dallas twice, I choose to go 12-4....but I'd really like to at least split with Dallas.

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So you'd really prefer a 2-14 season that involves beating Dallas twice, over, say, an 11-5 season and a playoff berth?
That would be 50 weeks of misery every year and 2 weeks of delight for a Skins fan. Doesn't sound like a good ratio.

Ohhhhhh, now the avatar makes sense. :ols:

[KDawg]

I want both. And yes, my cake too.

[AsburySkinsFan]

If we finished 9-7 this year (playoffs or not) and lost to Dallas twice I would be ecstatic.

Redskins fans put far to much into this rivalry. I don't think Dallas fans even come close to seeing the Redskins in the same manner. They are our division rival, easily our most hated rival, but they are still just a team we play twice a year. We all need to start looking at the bigger picture.
It's like I don't even understand what language you're speaking.

[KingGibbs]

Man, **** Dallas. The "rivalry" is nowhere the level it once was because of both teams being pretty much irrelevant the last 15 years. Those fans that say "I don't care what we do as long as we beat Dallas twice!" need their head examined. I also don't understand why those same people would give Puke fans the satisfaction of knowing that the 'skins season revolves around the Puke games.

For me it's (sorry Al) "Just win baby." No matter the opponent.

BTW. I've grown to loathe the Eagles moreso than the Pukes becaue of their jackass fans and that POS behind center.

[TotalRecall]

How about being a perennial contender? Everybody knows the Pats and the Colts will be in the Super Bowl hunt with a healthy Brady and Manning, respectively. And now, the Packers with Rodgers look to be a perennial contender. That's what I want. All else is worthless to me.

[Henry]

Both.

Duh.

[TK]

Beating them three times.

Double duh. :)

[Jumbo]

Simple.

For the world to be right, it requires:
1. A winning season
2. Beating Dallas twice
3. Dallas having a really ****ty season
4. Dallas totally blowing it on any high round draft picks they get for that really ****ty season
5. Rinse, repeat.

Any other questions?

[pjfootballer]

No contest. I'd rather go 14-2 and lose to Dallass twice and win the SB, then to be 2-14 and beat Dallass twice. I know the original question is about winning record and not SB, but a winning season with a chance to go to the playoffs trumps beating Dallass.

[Henry]

I just don't understand why people have to figure out ways to not hate Dallas. Our week in the NFL isn't that complicated.

You root for the Redskins to win. You root for Dallas to lose. Done.

This isn't quantum physics. You don't need to go to a blackboard and work out any complex equations involving letters, backwards Es and pi symbols. Just follow the above guideline and all will be well.

If there ever does come a day when I am forced to choose between a Dallas win and something good for the Redskins, well, I'll worry about it then. Until then, who really gives a crap? I don't want to have to think about not having a winning season or not beating Dallas any more than I have to. That happens enough already without debating fantastical scenarios we've created in our minds in order to question each others fandom.

[pjfootballer]

If we don't make the playoffs, a 9-7 or 10-6 means nothing... so I'll take beating Dallas twice for SOME kind of bragging rights.

That's kind of how I feel about the 7-9 record. We still don't make the playoffs, but at least we beat them twice. I'd be more mad beating them twice, finishing at 9-7 or 10-6 and missing the playoffs. But the ultimate goal is beat them twice, have a winning record and win the SB.

[Darth Tater]

If you asked would I rather have a wining season and get swept by Dallas during the regular season, I'd still respond for the wining season. 1999 when Dallas swept us but won the division was better than 1996 when we split but missed the playoffs at 9-7 which was better than 1995 were we swept Dallas but finished 6-10. Remember, in 1991 we split with the 'Boys and that was definitely one of, if not the best, season over the last 30 years. In 1982, we lost badly in the only regular season match with Dallas. IIRC, 2005 and 1987 are the only two decent or better years where we actually swept the 'Boys and, I know we've had at least 1 stinky year were we swept the 'Boys. I'll agree that sweeping Dallas is great but at the expense of a +500 season, its pretty much a consolation prize that I don't want.

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This is a trick question.

Playing .500 ball is meaningless so if it's a choice between going 9-7 or beating Dallas twice, I choose beating Dallas, because 9-7 gets doesn't get us into the playoffs.
Now, if the question was which would you rather have .750 ball 12-4 or beating Dallas twice, I choose to go 12-4....but I'd really like to at least split with Dallas.

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Ohhhhhh, now the avatar makes sense. :ols:
With the 8 team playoff format, we've only been 9-7 once and NOT gone to the playoffs. At 9-7 chances are we are going to the playoffs. In any case, if its a choice between 9 good Mondays or 7 good Mondays a year, I'm taking the 9.

[Painkiller]

Both.

Duh.


Beating them three times.

Double duh. :)


Simple.

For the world to be right, it requires:
1. A winning season
2. Beating Dallas twice
3. Dallas having a really ****ty season
4. Dallas totally blowing it on any high round draft picks they get for that really ****ty season
5. Rinse, repeat.

Any other questions?


Duh. :)

Of course, in the best of all possible worlds.

I would rather us win as many games as we can, even if we lose to Dallas the second time and miss the playoffs.

Beating Dallas is like "Ketchup on the burger." Gravy on the potatoes, but not a prerequisite for me to feel like we had a good year. :)

[Henry]

Duh. :)

Of course, in the best of all possible worlds.

I would rather us win as many games as we can, even if we lose to Dallas the second time and miss the playoffs.

Beating Dallas is like "Ketchup on the burger." Gravy on the potatoes, but not a prerequisite for me to feel like we had a good year. :)

Tell you what, though. That 1999 season, our one division title over the past twenty years, it still sticks in my craw that we let Dallas sweep us that year. Yeah I'm glad we won the division and I'm glad we won a playoff game, and no I wouldn't trade it for a losing season and a win over Dallas, but we should have won a game against them that year. Not for gravy, but because we were a good team and they weren't and that's when you should be beating your rivals.

So the answer to your question is still 'both.'

[SwampEm]

This is the NFL. We aren't Auburn where you can go 1-11 and if the one win is against 'Bama the coach gets a raise.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

But the ultimate goal is beat them twice, have a winning record and win the SB.

As long as that's in inverse order, I'm on board.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I think this is stupid. If you're having a winning season you more than likely are beating Dalass twice. Who cares anyway as long as you have a winning season

[PatFischer37]

in our super bowl years
72 - lost 1x to dallas
82 - lost 1x to dallas
83 - lost 1x to dallas
87 - lost 1x to dallas
91 - lost 1x to dallas

its clear we dont have to sweep the cowboys to reach our goal., let it go we lost we can now move on

[Henry]

in our super bowl years
72 - lost 1x to dallas
82 - lost 1x to dallas
83 - lost 1x to dallas
87 - lost 1x to dallas
91 - lost 1x to dallas

its clear we dont have to sweep the cowboys to reach our goal., let it go we lost we can now move on

Of course you are correct, but I'm pretty sure we swept the Cowboys in '87. :)

[Painkiller]

Tell you what, though. That 1999 season, our one division title over the past twenty years, it still sticks in my craw that we let Dallas sweep us that year. Yeah I'm glad we won the division and I'm glad we won a playoff game, and no I wouldn't trade it for a losing season and a win over Dallas, but we should have won a game against them that year. Not for gravy, but because we were a good team and they weren't and that's when you should be beating your rivals.

So the answer to your question is still 'both.'

but you know what? I didn't even remember we lost to Dallas twice that year until you just brought it up. All I remember about that year is winning the Division, and being a field goal away from making it to the NFC Championship game.

Eye of the beholder I guess. :)

Edit: and for me, of course in a perfect world the answer would be both, but I didn't give both as an option on purpose. I deliberately wanted to put everyone on the spot.

[Califan007]

I don't care...I'd rather have a winning season and show that we're moving in the right direction rather than sweep the Cowboys and have a crappy season. I like the Redskins more than I hate the Cowboys.


That only holds for this year. What if the Skins were 10-6 last season? Would a 9-7 record and losing to the Cowboys twice show that the Skins are "moving in the right direction"?

And actually, the poll question doesn't present it as an either/or scenario. So in reality, the question could logically be "If the Skins went 9-7 and swept the Cowboys, which would be more important to you--the fact that the Skins did have a winning record or the fact that the Skins swept the Cowboys?"...

Or how about this question: "If the Skins go 9-7 and go 5-1 in the division, what would be more important to you: the 9-7 record or the 5-1 divisional record?"...Because BOTH would be signs of improvement, no?

[Painkiller]

Califan you are killing me. :ols:

Now we just need somebody to come in and start doing mathematical probabilities.

:silly:

[Califan007]

but you know what? I didn't even remember we lost to Dallas twice that year until you just brought it up. All I remember about that year is winning the Division, and being a field goal away from making it to the NFC Championship game.

Eye of the beholder I guess. :)
Most definitely :ols:...

Because what I remember from that season was winning the division, losing to the Cowboys in the opening game when we were up 21 stinkin' points in the 4th quarter (!!!)...and the botched FG. Those three things stick out equally. What a sad state of affairs when we as Skins fans no longer really care if we get swept by our division rivals, as long as we get to say we had a winning record lol...I bet the Raiders see their going 6-0 in the division with an 8-8 record last year as a damn sturdy foundation for THIS year. An 8-8 record and going 0-6 in the division would most definitely be a lesser achievement and a far less sturdy foundation.

When gauging progress for the Skins, division wins mean more than wins over teams like the Broncos. Shanahan almost preaches that to the players...win your division games. win your home games. You do that, and you make the playoffs.

[GoDeep81]

The funniest part of this poll is that there are actually 28 people (at last count) that would rather beat Dallas twice, than have a winning season.. :ols:

[Painkiller]

The funniest part of this poll is that there are actually 28 people (at last count) that would rather beat Dallas twice, than have a winning season.. :ols:

there is method to my madness. Exposing the irrationality of some of our peers.

:ols:

:

[Califan007]

Califan you are killing me. :ols:

Now we just need somebody to come in and start doing mathematical probabilities.

:silly:
Well, it's true lol :yes:..."which is more important, a winning season or beating the Cowboys" can be interpreted too many ways. Some (like you) feel that a winning season shows "progress". I'd rather go 8-8 and sweep the division than go 9-7 and lose every game in the division. A winning season in and of itself doesn't really mean anything. We had a winning season in 2005...and went 5-11 in 2006. We had a winning season in 2007....and haven't had another one since.

So, yeah, I'm sticking with the viewpoint that it depends on what kind of winning season we have...because merely having a winning season doesn't automatically tell me anything.

[Painkiller]

Well, it's true lol :yes:..."which is more important, a winning season or beating the Cowboys" can be interpreted too many ways. Some (like you) feel that a winning season shows "progress". I'd rather go 8-8 and sweep the division than go 9-7 and lose every game in the division.

See now this is where one of our mathematician whiz kid members should come in here. :silly: I don't think you could realistically expect to do that poorly in your division, and still go 9-7. For me, it's more than likely you at least split your division games to get that record. What happened with Oakland last year was an anomaly.

[Renegade7]

I've only seen the redskins in the playoffs 3 times in my entire life. I was 2 years old the last time we won the super bowl.

Games like Darrell Green's last game come to mind of games where we had a losing season but Thank God we at least beat Dallas once. Or the 2006 home game were Sean Taylor ran the blocked kick back for the 0:00 game winning FG. I'm at the point where I'm going to love the redskins no matter what they do. All I ask is act like you give a damn and don't get swept by Dallas.

If that makes me a loser, so what? I'm going to be here when some of ya'll leave and come back anyway.

Hail. :helmet:

:wewantd:

PS: What's the saying, there's always next year???

[Painkiller]

Games like Darrell Green's last game come to mind of games where we had a losing season but Thank God we at least beat Dallas once. Or the 2006 home game were Sean Taylor ran the blocked kick back for the 0:00 game winning FG. I'm at the point where I'm going to love the redskins no matter what they do. All I ask is act like you give a damn and don't get swept by Dallas.

You are from Norfolk I see, and I wonder if we are conditioned to hate Dallas more in the DMV because of all the rejects that grew up here that became Dallas fans for some reason. They only did it to go against the grain, and unfortunately Dallas beats us most of the time. I think we play right into their hands most of the time. We get all revved up for the game, we build it up and build it up and build it up...the Skins end up losing, and then because we talked so much **** and built the game up so much it's even more painful to put up with their ribbing us all week afterwards. Hence, we hate them even more.

edit: I guess my point, is that it doesn't have to be that way. We can let go of the sweep Dallas thing, or JUST beat Dallas thing, and worry more about the games before and after that one.

[Califan007]

See now this is where one of our mathematician whiz kid members should come in here. :silly: I don't think you could realistically expect to do that poorly in your division, and still go 9-7. For me, it's more than likely you at least split your division games to get that record. What happened with Oakland last year was an anomaly.

Us sweeping the Cowboys and only going 2-14 would be an anomaly as well, though lol...unless the Cowboys were even crappier than we would be and went 0-16 :ols:...but that 2-14 scenario has already been mentioned in this thread at least once. :yes:

[Painkiller]

I think if Dallas went 0-16 and we went 2-14 sweeping them, some of our fans would be thrilled with that. :ols: Who the hell needs a Super Bowl championship or playoff berth, we suck ass, but we still beat Dallas. :D

[Enter Apotheosis]

See now this is where one of our mathematician whiz kid members should come in here. :silly:

This seems like the kind of problem ASF should be tackling.

[MassSkinsFan]

Anyone voting that 2 wins v. Dallas is more important than a winning season would fit right in with "Red Sox Nation" where the failure of the Yankees is always much more important than the success of the Sox.

I'm glad most of us root for the Redskins first and against the Cowpukes second.

[Califan007]

Games like Darrell Green's last game come to mind of games where we had a losing season but Thank God we at least beat Dallas once. Or the 2006 home game were Sean Taylor ran the blocked kick back for the 0:00 game winning FG. I'm at the point where I'm going to love the redskins no matter what they do. All I ask is act like you give a damn and don't get swept by Dallas. .


Here, here :applause: :cheers:....Doing well in the division is SO important to me that I can't easily dismiss being swept by ANY of the teams unless the Skins go 14-2 and those two losses are to an NFC East rival or something lol.

When it comes to showing progress, going 6-0 in the division is paramount. That's why constantly being swept by the Giants and failing to beat an injured Cowboys team means more than simply being "a loss". We did well against the Giants...we need to make sure we do equally well against the NFC East from here on out, regardless of what our final record ends up being.

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I think if Dallas went 0-16 and we went 2-14 sweeping them, some of our fans would be thrilled with that. :ols: Who the hell needs a Super Bowl championship or playoff berth, we suck ass, but we still beat Dallas. :D

There's a difference between being thrilled that we at least beat Dallas and being satisfied with a 2-win season that involved sweeping Dallas, though.

Every single crappy experience from my life (barring the extremely serious ones) has had at least one gleeful moment in them that I can recall even to this day. That doesn't mean I was happy with the ****ty experience.

The crappy experience of a 2-14 season where we swept the even-crappier Cowboys would be one such moment lol...

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Anyone voting that 2 wins v. Dallas is more important than a winning season would fit right in with "Red Sox Nation" where the failure of the Yankees is always much more important than the success of the Sox.

I'm glad most of us root for the Redskins first and against the Cowpukes second.
??...How is wanting the Skins to beat the Cowboys "rooting against" Dallas? lol...Wouldn't that be rooting FOR the Redskins?

[Renegade7]

You are from Norfolk I see, and I wonder if we are conditioned to hate Dallas more in the DMV because of all the rejects that grew up here that became Dallas fans for some reason. They only did it to go against the grain, and unfortunately Dallas beats us most of the time. I think we play right into their hands most of the time. We get all revved up for the game, we build it up and build it up and build it up...the Skins end up losing, and then because we talked so much **** and built the game up so much it's even more painful to put up with their ribbing us all week afterwards. Hence, we hate them even more.

edit: I guess my point, is that it doesn't have to be that way. We can let go of the sweep Dallas thing, or JUST beat Dallas thing, and worry more about the games before and after that one.

Ironically, I'm originally from NOVA, so I know EXACTLY what you're talking about with the cross-overs. But honestly, it's more what the Cowboys have done to me more then their fake-ass fanbase. I wasn't brainwashed into hating Dallas like some. The cowboys earned my hatred, fair and square, over a multitude of many years. And you can't just take the rivalry out of the equation like it doesn't exist, because that's like turning your back on over 40 years of history between the two franchises/fan bases. There really is no need for a build up because anyone that's been through enough games like the above mentioned or even the other day's MNF, the hatred is already there.

Now if the poll question was "2-14 w/ Dallas sweep" vs "Super Bowl Victory", it's almost impossible to not pick superbowl. Almost...

[Painkiller]

of course, if we beat Dallas Monday night, this thread doesn't exist. I'd be the first to admit that, but it's my self-appointed JOB to try to spin anything into a positive light this year. I can't deal with this place when the chips are down. (most of the time) It's definitely a love/hate relationship. :)

[Califan007]

Division wins are almost like getting two wins for the price of one. It knocks a division rival down one game while placing your team up one game. It's a 2-game swing in the winning team's direction. It's a tiebreaker. It pushes you that much closer to a divisional title. Even without the rivalry, beating the Cowboys. If we can go 5-1 in the division (wish I could have said 6-0 lol :mad: ), I'll see that as definite progress.

[Hunter_R]

If it's a winning season with no playoffs, I'd rather the two wins vs the Cowboys.

[MassSkinsFan]

??...How is wanting the Skins to beat the Cowboys "rooting against" Dallas? lol...Wouldn't that be rooting FOR the Redskins?

It isn't and yes.

That's not the point though. If you would prefer 2 wins v. Dallas over a winning season, then you're not keeping the Skins' best interests in mind are you? So, in my book, you're actually more invested in rooting against the Cowboys in that instance.

[Renegade7]

of course, if we beat Dallas Monday night, this thread doesn't exist. I'd be the first to admit that, but it's my self-appointed JOB to try to spin anything into a positive light this year. I can't deal with this place when the chips are down. (most of the time) It's definitely a love/hate relationship. :)

Absolutly, agree.

It's hilarious to me that I have yet to see a single thread on the fact we didn't have Stallworth, Hankerson, or Armstrong for this game, yet Grossman and Kyle both suck. This cannot possibly have an effect on our ineffective playaction, thus clogged up running game, leading to more possesions for Dallas to score FG after FG after FG. There's more anger over the 3rd and 21 play then there is respect for the fact we held a division opponent to nothing but FGs in their home stadium on primetime television. Love can cloud logic, or any other intangibles that can be pulled from this game because of the way we lost that game.

It's so painfully familiar...

[Painkiller]

If we can go 5-1 in the division (wish I could have said 6-0 lol :mad: ), I'll see that as definite progress.

I think a more realistic expectation this season is splitting, or at best 4-2. At my most optimistic, I think we will likely split with the Eagles and win against Dallas at home. 4-2 has to include a sweep of the Giants. I don't see us sweeping Philly. They have too many weapons, even though their lines especially on defense is highly suspect.

[Hitman#21]

Winning season and its not even close.

[Darth Tater]

I think a more realistic expectation this season is splitting, or at best 4-2. At my most optimistic, I think we will likely split with the Eagles and win against Dallas at home. 4-2 has to include a sweep of the Giants. I don't see us sweeping Philly. They have too many weapons, even though their lines especially on defense is highly suspect.
Historically a sweep of the g-men is more important than anything. IIRC, except for once under Gibbs (1986) , we have never gone deep in the playoffs without sweeping the g-men and have only won the division once (1984) without sweeping them. We also have never gone to the playoffs without having at least once beaten the g-men during the regular season. We've gone all the way to the SB with no regular season victories over Dallas (and vice versa). We've had division winning seasons splitting with Philly.

[RANSKINS98]

It depends I wouldn't want to go 9-7 and be swept by them. I would rather have a winning season and split. A split is way more tolerable with any outcome of the season.

[OnlySkins4ever]

You should have made "Both" and option.

[HailGreen28]

At his point in time, I'd take the higher draft picks and beating Dallass twice. Better for the team long term and more satisfying assuming we don't make the playoffs this year.

[skinsarel33t]

beating he cowboys isnt even important all that matters is that you have more Ws then Ls

[Rocky52Mc]

The Patriots went 11-5 and didn't make the playoffs.

I would rather go 2-14 and acquire the picks that go with that along with talking **** on Dallas all off-season if it meant missing the playoffs regardless.

That being said, you go out there every week to win.

[worstSeat]

You can beat Dallas two ways. With wins, and by doing better than they do in the standings. If you can only have one, the second way of kicking their rear is better, but doing both is best.

[Painkiller]

You should have made "Both" and option.

The whole point was forcing everyone to choose.

or everyone would have just selected both.

[SirClintonPortis]

The whole point was forcing everyone to choose.

or everyone would have just selected both.

But we won't know now, would we? :D