The MERGED anti Rex thread

[Shadowfire]

Every game interceptions, fumbles , or overthrown passes I am all for giving a player a chance but this is getting out of hand. If the coaches can't get him under control when does he finally get benched and we give Beck a chance to see what he can do?

[Stophovr6]

John Beck isn't going to light anything up either. This team needs a real QB but it's not going to happen this season.

[#98QBKiller]

Grossman is just a stopgap. I think we all got a little overexcited when we started 2-0...Jones or Barkley will be our QB next year because the Colts will probably land Luck.

[rdskn4eva]

You can say what you like about Campbell - he doesnt make dumb ass throws that Rex does. Defense won this game. Period.

[afkidd]

beck is horrible.

[2006Skins]

When you have a turd replace a turd, it's not worth getting riled up about. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Beck get the nod this week with the bye coming up to get two weeks to take snaps with the first team.

[Dannyc]

Grossman is just a stopgap. I think we all got a little overexcited when we started 2-0...Jones or Barkley will be our QB next year because the Colts will probably land Luck.

I hope it's not Landry Jones. I'd love Barkely or Lindley though.

[afkidd]

You can say what you like about Campbell - he doesnt make dumb ass throws that Rex does. Defense won this game. Period.

because he never took any risks.

[ColdnGrey]

When we're not 3-1 going into the bye.

Every QB throws interceptions. Brees threw 2 today.

[War Paint]

John Beck isn't going to light anything up either. This team needs a real QB but it's not going to happen this season.

Well, we don't know if he will or he won't. We have to see.

[rdskn4eva]

because he never took any risks.

True, but I'd rather have a QB take no risks than a QB that takes dumb risks. Rex makes dumb throws.

[War Paint]

When we're not 3-1 going into the bye.

Every QB throws interceptions. Brees threw 2 today.

The problem is that Grossman always throws them.

[skinsrbeast]

im just very disappointed with two things. Obviously one his poor decisions and sporadic throws. And two our lack of deep throws. We are not having any big pass plays offensively.

[Stophovr6]

When you have a turd replace a turd, it's not worth getting riled up about. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Beck get the nod this week with the bye coming up to get two weeks to take snaps with the first team.

I gotta think there's no chance this happens. You're 3-1, just keep it going and try to build his confidence.

[Destino]

It's politically impossible for Shanahan to bench a QB on a 3-1 team. That's the only reason he starts against the eagles. The trend is CLEAR. He has been worse every game he's played.

[Pedro]

I think we're about there now. Rex was lucky their DBs couldn't catch today or there would have been at least a couple more Ints. He was also lucky their WRs struggled holding on to the ball too or we would have lost this one.

Rex didn't contribute in a positive way at all today, seems to have been getting worse week by week.

[ColdnGrey]

Define always. He threw one today and Santana gave away the other one. Romo threw 2 pick 6s. To have a QB not throw ints, espessially with our situation, is unrealistic.

[JdoubleU]

This guy sucks. If he was Campbell...

[carolinaskinsfreak]

ok, i am loving a WIN! But grossburger has to go! he can't play dead in a cowboy movie. we have a great defense and a son of a coach who can't run some points up. doc walker said we should have won by 30 points. but shanny jr. is not a great coach. rex can't run a 2 minute drill....oh i hate rexy! lol:logo::logo::logo:

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Grossman is just a stopgap. I think we all got a little overexcited when we started 2-0...Jones or Barkley will be our QB next year because the Colts will probably land Luck.

Don't rule out RG3 or Russell Wilson (<------ a sports name if ever there was one)

[Shadowfire]

John Beck isn't going to light anything up either. This team needs a real QB but it's not going to happen this season.

I agree but what do we have to loose to see what he has got? If he is worse, which I can't see how he can be much worse, pull him and put Grossman back in. I am just getting tired of his cocky attitude and throwing horrible throws, interceptions, fumbles, and just plain not seeing the field like he should be. For someone who knows this system so well I am not very impressed at all and I dont want to get started with these blitz plays getting called costing us the game once and almost again today. GET A CLUE IT IS NOT WORKING!!!

[JerseyGator]

Romo has 3 picks today - two returned for touchdowns. Lions looking good to steal one. Give this team some time with all of the new parts.

[The Diesel]

Grossman is not a very smart player.

[#98QBKiller]

I hope it's not Landry Jones. I'd love Barkely or Lindley though.

I trust in whoever the coaching staff chooses but it's clear that we're going QB with our 1st rounder next year.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

This win did not feel like a win. This is like against Cleveland in 2008 where we won 14-11 but it didn't feel like a win.

[2006Skins]

Grossman is just a stopgap. I think we all got a little overexcited when we started 2-0...Jones or Barkley will be our QB next year because the Colts will probably land Luck.

Not a chance unless the skins tank the season. Those are both top 5 picks next year, so unless the skins go 2-10 the rest of the way, or we trade A LOT to move up in the draft, you can kiss those names good bye. Look for the skins to do what they did with Kerrigan in moving back and gathering more picks to go after value toward the end of the 1st round.

[Rdskns2000]

Well, since we are 3-1 Grossman is starting for the forseeable future. Grossy will have to lose 2, probably 3 games for Shanny to even consider a change. Also, the only reason we would lose we be soley because of Rex Grossman. That hasn't happened.

Long term, our franchise QB is still in college somewhere.

[santanathegreat]

The guy sucks....period. We have hit our plateau as a team with him as QB. Three poor games in a row, and nothing has changed. Bad throws, interceptions, game-ending fumbles...this guy is not a starting NFL quarterback. The Shanny's are wrong about Rex Grossman.

[ColdnGrey]

I agree but what do we have to loose to see what he has got? If he is worse, which I can't see how he can be much worse, pull him and put Grossman back in. I am just getting tired of his cocky attitude and throwing horrible throws, interceptions, fumbles, and just plain not seeing the field like he should be. For someone who knows this system so well I am not very impressed at all and I dont want to get started with these blitz plays getting called costing us the game once and almost again today. GET A CLUE IT IS NOT WORKING!!!

You don't know how it could get worse?? This isn't working?? We're 3-1 in amyear that everyone thought we'd be 2-14. Give me a break.

[SkinfanAZ]

Okay fine Grossman is not that great, but who are we gonna play, Beck? Unproven Beck? Either way we're screwed. Great game defense.

[monkeezgob]

Well, Rex is playing exactly as I expected. he's hugely inconsistent. He's not being helped by the moron calling the plays. Kyle may be an offensive genius, but he stinks as a play caller.

[MonkFan8]

I really dislike Grossman and still think Beck gives us a (marginally) better chance to win. But Rex is 3-1, so he'll get the nod for the forseeable future

[#98QBKiller]

Not a chance unless the skins tank the season. Those are both top 5 picks next year, so unless the skins go 2-10 the rest of the way, or we trade A LOT to move up in the draft, you can kiss those names good bye. Look for the skins to do what they did with Kerrigan in moving back and gathering more picks to go after value toward the end of the 1st round.


We're probably not finishing better than .500 with Grossman at QB. And we are in dire need of a franchise signal caller. I think the coaches will do what it takes to get the guy that they want in April.

[TheGreek1973]

Come on guys I am pissed off with Rex today but the first INT was totally on Moss. I have said this before I don't like how he catches the damn ball with hands crossed. that was a perfect pass and he tips it for INT. if not for that we go up probably 20-0 and the Rams never come back.

I thought Kyle did a horrible job today. we were running the ball so well why didn't we play action more?

[MONTEY]

This win did not feel like a win. This is like against Cleveland in 2008 where we won 14-11 but it didn't feel like a win.

Agree with that. I wanted a win no matter how great or ugly. But I dont like Rex at all. He seems a bit inept.

[monkeezgob]

After the last two weeks displays I'd take play calling away from Shanahan jr. What's Sherm Lewis up to these days? Anyone for a game of bingo?

[Chump Bailey]

I'll take Rex over Beck anyday. I'm only for a change if there's an injury. Don't see the point otherwise.

[Shadowfire]

You don't know how it could get worse?? This isn't working?? We're 3-1 in amyear that everyone thought we'd be 2-14. Give me a break.

I didn't say we couldn't get worse I said he couldn't be worse first off and we are 3-1 because of defense not our QB play. So get a coffee and a donut watch some of our QB's plays then feel free to start your break. p.s. Read my post better I said the 0 blitz plays at the end are not working not our defense or our team please read my post before replying with something I didn't say.

[tr1]

All he does is win...3-1.

I suppose you'd prefer Romo?

[Milkbone Jackson]

These threads are going to come up after every game when a QB makes a few mistakes. Beck is not the answer.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Last week there was a thread on this and I went off about how it was stupid to want to bench grossman. Well, that crow sure tastes like ****.

[#98QBKiller]

These threads are going to come up after every game when a QB makes a few mistakes. Beck is not the answer.

Probably not but at least we know that Grossman isn't the answer. May as well find out for sure w/ Beck before the season ends.

[No_Pressure]

I'd blame the play calling as much as Grossman. I'd also like to know what our WR's are doing other than Moss. Why aren't we getting as much separation? Why aren't we getting YAC? Why didn't we really go deep at all the last two weeks?

[skinfan2k]

we are 3-1 on top of the division. We just need him to be caretaker.

[rocazares]

We need better play calling, Rex is a roller coaster but I don't believe Beck will respond better than Rex.

The first issue a lot of the times our O is on the field has name, Kyle.

[HigSkin]

Sorry guys but rather have Grossman today than Romo or Vick.:pfft:

[grego]

I'd blame the play calling as much as Grossman. I'd also like to know what our WR's are doing other than Moss. Why aren't we getting as much separation? Why aren't we getting YAC? Why didn't we really go deep at all the last two weeks?

im with you.

im not happy with kyle, but i really want to know why tim ryan said our WR's werent getting separation last week (guessing we werent getting any this week as well).

maybe grossman is lacking open WR's?

[War Paint]

All he does is win...3-1.

I suppose you'd prefer Romo?


As they said in Chicago, you can thank the defense. If our D wasn't ballin, we could've easily lost that game. Torrain was the engine for today's offense. If it wasn't for him, this could've been much uglier.

[monkeezgob]

We need better play calling, Rex is a roller coaster but I don't believe Beck will respond better than Rex.

Even saying that I will be happy if Beck has a chance.

The first issue a lot of the times our O is on the field has name, Kyle.


Absolutely agree with this. Kyle Shanahan has no business calling plays after the displays in the last two weeks. He stinks as a play caller.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

All he does is win...3-1.

I suppose you'd prefer Romo?

Of course I'd prefer Romo.....and so would you. :)

[ncr2h]

I don't think he played a particularly bad game. He had 2 bad throws as far as I could see. One was picked, the other wasn't. Other than that he had several receivers screwing the pooch with drive-killing drops. The passing game as a whole just wasn't clicking today. Good thing our running game was. Our D looks great when we have our LBs in - when teams spread us out and make us sub in our nickel and dime corners for our LBs we have major problems getting pressure.

[MusicCitySkin]

Stop saying that we should "see what Beck has got". My question to you all is "why"? We're winning. Our playcalling is horrible, and our receivers stink. Rex hasn't looked good, but I seriously doubt Beck could do any better. He hasn't proved anything, and there's no reason to suggest he could.

[Rodriggo]

Grossman is doing NOTHING to keep his job.

Plus, Beck was with him step for step in the preseason.

Time to give him a shot, QB play can only improve, can't get any worse than it is now.

Grossman has played very poorly in all four games.

They're 3-1, if they want a shot at the playoffs they have to see what they have in Beck now!

[redskinss]

I'd blame the play calling as much as Grossman. I'd also like to know what our WR's are doing other than Moss. Why aren't we getting as much separation? Why aren't we getting YAC? Why didn't we really go deep at all the last two weeks?

i thought gafney had a pretty good game

[santanathegreat]

LOL was that Romo question a serious one? Rex Grossman is Romo without the athletic ability and ability to scrammble. If Romo sucks, then Grossman is the super-suck.

[skinfan2k]

blame drops and play calling. game should have been over with the moss drop, hightower drop. that LB played it great on that down too, otherwise that was a great play design

[Destino]

These threads are going to come up after every game when a QB makes a few mistakes. Beck is not the answer.

Grossman
week 1: 110.5 Rating.
week 2: 74.9
week 3: 77.5
week 4: 48.5

Makes a few mistakes? He's had more bad games than good. He has 5 picks and 2 fumbles in four games. He is trending downward and today looked bad against one of the worst defenses in the NFL with a running game that was destroying the Rams. He wasn't sacked today and hardly pressured.

This game was won in spite of a very bad Rex Grossman. He keeps his job because the team is 3-1 and politically Mike can't switch QBs right now. If this team was 1-3 or 2-2 with exactly the same performances from Rex he'd be benched, IMO.

[War Paint]

Stop saying that we should "see what Beck has got". My question to you all is "why"? We're winning. Our playcalling is horrible, and our receivers stink. Rex hasn't looked good, but I seriously doubt Beck could do any better. He hasn't proved anything, and there's no reason to suggest he could.

I do see your point. We are 3-1. We don't want to rock the boat too much by making a drastic change. However, if we did, I don't think our team would be divided. Grossman and Beck were pretty much neck and neck most of preseason. That said, I guess it is just best to ride Grossman out as long as we are winning, just like Chicago did in their SB run.

Also, I totally disagree with your opinion on our WRs. I think they are fine.

[MDTERPS27]

Another notch in the W column for Grossman and you clowns are calling for him to be benched. You guys gotta get real hahah.

[Dirt]

we won the game, we ran super effectively, rex threw one pick that he's to blame (was still a crazy good play by that linebacker) and threw high to moss on a 3rd.

other than that, what do you want. did you want another 300 yd rex game where we also had about 200 running? You just want rex to 'look' better? So he wasn't great. Nobody said he was.

3-1, dallas phillly choke, let's chill. I'm fine with Rex, I'm fine with 3-1.

[No Excuses]

Grossman was good in the first two games and has been bad in the last two.

That's pretty much what you get from him. hot/cold. I'm not in favor of benching the starting QB when the team is 3-1.

[BayouBrave86]

Grossman is doing NOTHING to keep his job.

Plus, Beck was with him step for step in the preseason.



LOL, no he wasn't. And one of those picks was on Moss today. We're 3-1.:logo:

[J3553]

rex grossman is not tom brady or drew brees. there was never a question about that. the question was could we win football games with him under center. we're 3-1.

[SkinsFTW]

True, but I'd rather have a QB take no risks than a QB that takes dumb risks. Rex makes dumb throws.

There is 0 chance that Shanahan would ever let Campbell start for this team.

Their offense REQUIRES the QB to take those risks to make plays, not that I agree with Grossman making dumb decisions either but Campbell would be 2 seconds late on every play even with his stronger arm.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

OK...I just got a quick break from work...

when i left, it was 17-3 and all was well...

WTF did Rex do that was so bad
Fill me in please

[HailGreen28]

Grossman is doing NOTHING to keep his job.

Plus, Beck was with him step for step in the preseason.

Time to give him a shot, QB play can only improve, can't get any worse than it is now.

Grossman has played very poorly in all four games.

They're 3-1, if they want a shot at the playoffs they have to see what they have in Beck now!I'll take historical revisionism for 400, Alex.

Rex clearly won preseason. And played pretty good the first two games.

Since Rex seems to have regressed, sure start Beck next week. Beck will get run down from behind on the bootleg just a couple more yards further than Rex, and won't make as good throws.

Then we can go forward with Rex, shanny having demonstrated once again that everyone's job is under evaluation. Maybe we'll have a good season. And maybe we'll draft a franchise QB one of these years.

[Shadowfire]

Stop saying that we should "see what Beck has got". My question to you all is "why"? We're winning. Our playcalling is horrible, and our receivers stink. Rex hasn't looked good, but I seriously doubt Beck could do any better. He hasn't proved anything, and there's no reason to suggest he could.

With all due respect you doubt he could do better but that is the thing we just don't know and my main concern is if Rex is already starting to collapse it is going to get worse if you factor in his previous years in the NFL. I am not saying Beck will be better but if Rex acts anything like he has with his other teams this could be bad news for us. I really want Rex to do great nothing would make me happier but we might need to put a to tourniquet on this before it gets to far to repair it.

[MONTEY]

Sorry guys but rather have Grossman today than Romo or Vick.:pfft:

As much as I despise a Cowturd and all their inbred fans I would take Romo over Rex in a min. For real.

Looking at him right now talking to Kelly Johnson he seems like a lost little boy looking for his Momma. Im not feeling him guys.

[BackToGlory]

Rex Grossman is the weak link to this offense. I don't pretend to know more than the coaching staff but I am sorry I have common sense and Rex Grossman needs to sit. I wish he would choke on a ham sandwich and drop dead. We are so close to being really good and Rex Grossman will be the detriment of this season. I know wishing death upon someone is wrong, however I hate watching that fat piece of crap try to give the game away. Kyle and Mike face it he is a piece of sewage that couldn't even make it in the UFL. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF JACK KENT COOKE BENCH HIS SORRY *****!!!!

[#98QBKiller]

Grossman
week 1: 110.5 Rating.
week 2: 74.9
week 3: 77.5
week 4: 48.5

Makes a few mistakes? He's had more bad games than good. He has 5 picks and 2 fumbles in four games. He is trending downward and today looked bad against one of the worst defenses in the NFL with a running game that was destroying the Rams. He wasn't sacked today and hardly pressured.

This game was won in spite of a very bad Rex Grossman. He keeps his job because the team is 3-1 and politically Mike can't switch QBs right now. If this team was 1-3 or 2-2 with exactly the same performances from Rex he'd be benched, IMO.



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[MusicCitySkin]

With all due respect you doubt he could do better but that is the thing we just don't know and my main concern is if Rex is already starting to collapse it is going to get worse if you factor in his previous years in the NFL. I am not saying Beck will be better but if Rex acts anything like he has with his other teams this could be bad news for us. I really want Rex to do great nothing would make me happier but we might need to put a to tourniquet on this before it gets to far to repair it.

Until they start losing games, there is no legitimate reason to bench Rex.

[Destino]

we won the game, we ran super effectively, rex threw one pick that he's to blame (was still a crazy good play by that linebacker) and threw high to moss on a 3rd.

other than that, what do you want. did you want another 300 yd rex game where we also had about 200 running? You just want rex to 'look' better? So he wasn't great. Nobody said he was.

3-1, dallas phillly choke, let's chill. I'm fine with Rex, I'm fine with 3-1.
Other than that? You forget his role out to the right where he tried to thread a needle that he couldn't and hit a ram. Or the snap that hit him in the stomach? Want me to go on? He had a **** game all around. The passing game was nonexistent in the second half.

[HigSkin]

As much as I despise a Cowturd and all their inbred fans I would take Romo over Rex in a min. For real.

Looking at him right now talking to Kelly Johnson he seems like a lost little boy looking for his Momma. Im not feeling him guys.

I guess you and others missed the part of my quote that said "today"?

[War Paint]

we won the game, we ran super effectively, rex threw one pick that he's to blame (was still a crazy good play by that linebacker) and threw high to moss on a 3rd.

other than that, what do you want. did you want another 300 yd rex game where we also had about 200 running? You just want rex to 'look' better? So he wasn't great. Nobody said he was.

3-1, dallas phillly choke, let's chill. I'm fine with Rex, I'm fine with 3-1.

We won the game by the skin of our teeth when we were dominating them. We almost blew a big lead to the awful Rams and Grossman was much to blame for that. We did eek out a win, but I've gotten to the point where watching Rex makes me uneasy. It's almost getting as bad as watching us make a FG (although as of late Gano has done well).

[BackToGlory]

Grossman was good in the first two games and has been bad in the last two.

That's pretty much what you get from him. hot/cold. I'm not in favor of benching the starting QB when the team is 3-1. We might be 3-1 but we are closer to 1-3. Rex Grossman sucks. Face reality.

[HailGreen28]

OK...I just got a quick break from work...

when i left, it was 17-3 and all was well...

WTF did Rex do that was so bad
Fill me in pleaseBad Rex showed up with one bad pick, and at least one bad incomplete. But it wasn't just Rex. Nobody else on our team stepped up*, and our playcalling was horrible.

*except ATV

[redskinss]

i dont know if becks the answer in fact i think hes probably not but the thing is i dont know. with rex i know for certain he is not so i figure why not see what we got in beck.

[clskinsfan]

Until they start losing games, there is no legitimate reason to bench Rex.

Exactly. You never bench a QB that is winning.

[Rodriggo]

What would it take for people to want Rex benched?

I'm just curious, b/c people defend him like he's actually accomplished something here.

They LOVE what they're seeing. Too scared to try something different? What is the downside, not like they're gonna cut him.

The picks, the stupid mistakes, the fumbles, the wobbling duck outs, throwing across his body back across the field with the lead in the fourth?!

He sucks, he sucks major ******* ***.

Beck can only be better.

[Wildbunny]

2 ints, one for Moss though. Second one was a bad one.

Besides that, I'm with J3553 here. We're 3-1 with Grossman. Fact is we're able to win when he's not that great. Which is what matters.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Grossman hasn't made a "wow" throw in two weeks. He's made terrible reads, thrown terrible balls, and completed a lot of balls that any NFL starter can make, routinely. He hasn't played well since the Giants game, besides that drive at the end of the Cardinals game.

His best (only) throw is the 10-25 yard strike over the middle of the field. After Week 2, teams have keyed in on that and stopped it. Outside of Armstrong, we don't have a deep threat, any player that can take the top off the defense. And we don't have players who can make any yards after the catch, outside of Davis, who teams are defending against.

Gaffney is a decent receiver but should be a #4 or #5 receiver on most teams. Moss is a good route runner and can run the underneath stuff well but he's no better than a #3 at this point in his career. Cooley has been a complete non-factor this year.

And with Grossman, we don't have a quarterback who can make plays. Our line has protected him phenomenally, probably the unsung performance on the team in the 1st quarter of the season. He's had plenty of time and room to make his reads and make throws, and he hasn't been delivering. I can only imagine there's been tons of plays left on the field, which we could only know via game film. Simply put, he's not making plays, and he's not managing the game particularly well either. If we want/need a game manager, in limited time, Beck looked far better in that respect. And he's far more athletic -- and more accurate -- to boot.

It's not a matter of "Grossman throws interceptions like Brees!!!" -- Brees routinely makes great throws and is a true playmaker; a few picks is to be expected. You can't compare the two.

Simply put, we dominated on run defense, we dominated on pass defense, we dominated on run offense -- and we barely, barely won the game. That comes down to the passing offense, and most prominently, that comes down on Grossman. Excusing Grossman by pointing to our record is frankly blind homerism and/or self-delusion

[Destino]

Until they start losing games, there is no legitimate reason to bench Rex.

No. There is pleanty of reason to bench him RIGHT NOW. 7 turnovers in 4 games is a good place to start. Until they start losing there isn't enough political cover for Shanahan to make the switch. If you switch now and Beck sucks Shanahan is a world of trouble. Rex will keep the job because the teams record, not because of his play. Today was unacceptable against a horrible defense that didn't even bother him very much.

[clskinsfan]

Whats the downside? How bout we start losing games?

[SkinsTillIDie]

Whats the downside? How bout we start losing games?

How about we fix the dam before the levee breaks?

[mi6]

Hats off to the Skins to win despite Rexy the ditzy... It's a shame that after 9 years in the NFL the guy still plays like a rookie. All of his fumbles, interceptions, poor handoffs, and over/under thrown passes are going to cost the Skins games in the long run.

For instance, take the Dallas game. Had Rexy and the offense being able to punch in a couple of TDs the game would be out of reach for the Cowturds. 5 trips to the redzone, and only 1 TD.

Fast forward to today's game against the Rams. In this game, Rexy ditzy plays resulted in 2 interceptions that allowed the Rams back into the game. Rexy's inability to move the ball when the game is on the line, or we need to chew up the clock with a long scoring drive is a tell tale sign of a poor QB. His poor decision making is just pathetic.

Time to give a serious look to John Beck, and the PS QB Crompton, who has a great / accurate arm, is mobile, and makes good decisions.

[tdigle]

Yeah, Grossman sucks. It's a good thing we have a top 3 defense (yeah, this is a total homer claim, deal with it) to make up for his grave mistakes. I just hope it doesn't get to a point where the D can't bail him out.

[Stophovr6]

I agree but what do we have to loose to see what he has got? GET A CLUE IT IS NOT WORKING!!!

We could LOSE games, much more of them. If you haven't noticed we're 3-1 and in first place of our division. What team has ever switched QB's in this same position? I think you need to get a clue. I don't like Grossman being the QB but they would be idiots to replace him at this point. If and when he puts together a streak of losses, then you might see him replaced for Beck, until then, don't hold your breath.

[Joe_328]

Staight up.... Grossman is pretty bad. The good news? The defense is really really good.
Grossman hasn't displayed anything that Beck couldn't in my opinion.

Rex made awful choices this game. Similar to what we have seen already this season. I'd rather see Beck start trashing games, rather than Grossman... then you could at least say we tried.

[Shadowfire]

Whats the downside? How bout we start losing games?

Then we put Rex back in and at least we know. Has everyone forgot his previous seasons in the NFL? Once he starts this crap it gets real bad real fast and that is what scares me the most. Once again I am not saying Beck is better but it would be nice to know FOR SURE if he can manage the game better and see the field better before we are so far gone there is no chance for us at all.

[FuriousD]

After 4 games, there is no evidence that this is a new or improved Rex. Every week we hear talk from the anouncers about how he's "matured" or he's "smarter" but what happens on the field looks for all the world just like the old Rex.

Today's offense was hit and miss for most of the game. He threw 2 pick, (yeah, one was Santana) but there could have easily been 1 or 2 more.

This win was on the Defense (outstanding) and the Ram's O-line and Receivers who were both awful.

[Shadowfire]

Originally Posted by Shadowfire

I agree but what do we have to loose to see what he has got? GET A CLUE IT IS NOT WORKING!!!


We could LOSE games, much more of them. If you haven't noticed we're 3-1 and in first place of our division. What team has ever switched QB's in this same position? I think you need to get a clue. I don't like Grossman being the QB but they would be idiots to replace him at this point. If and when he puts together a streak of losses, then you might see him replaced for Beck, until then, don't hold your breath.

If you are going to quote me use my entire quote and not patch 2 parts together to make a point!!! I said the O blitz at the end of the game was not working and it's people like you who start crap, misquote people, and make moronic statements like you did because you don't have the brains to make a cival point. Here is the post for you before you chopped it......

"I agree but what do we have to loose to see what he has got? If he is worse, which I can't see how he can be much worse, pull him and put Grossman back in. I am just getting tired of his cocky attitude and throwing horrible throws, interceptions, fumbles, and just plain not seeing the field like he should be. For someone who knows this system so well I am not very impressed at all and I dont want to get started with these blitz plays getting called costing us the game once and almost again today. GET A CLUE IT IS NOT WORKING!!!"

Thx for being a hack and trying to misquote me and making a pure ASS of yourself!!!

[Rocky52Mc]

What would it take for people to want Rex benched?

I'm just curious, b/c people defend him like he's actually accomplished something here.

They LOVE what they're seeing. Too scared to try something different? What is the downside, not like they're gonna cut him.

you don't bench a QB when he's led your team to a 3-1 1st place start. Rex gets hot, so stay with him. He's had some bad moments, but overall is a solid QB back there. The players like Grossman, they're not as fond of Beck, which is also why he's not starting. Fred Davis, Cooley, and Moss all had a voice in that in the off-season when they defended Rex from Beck's "Off-season group activity leadership"
The picks, the stupid mistakes, the fumbles, the wobbling duck outs, throwing across his body back across the field with the lead in the fourth?!

He sucks, he sucks major ******* ***.

Beck can only be better.

[SkinsTillIDie]

We could LOSE games, much more of them. If you haven't noticed we're 3-1 and in first place of our division. What team has ever switched QB's in this same position? I think you need to get a clue. I don't like Grossman being the QB but they would be idiots to replace him at this point. If and when he puts together a streak of losses, then you might see him replaced for Beck, until then, don't hold your breath.

Um, our very own Mike Shanahan benched Jake Plummer for Jay Cutler when the Broncos were 7-4. They were 7-2, lost 2 games, and Shanahan benched Plummer for Cutler.

[MontanaSkins]

Grossman is the best option available to the Redskins. Is he a good option? Probably not, but Beck was the favorite heading in and couldn't win the job. Bottom line we are 3-1 despite shaky QB play but that shaky play is the best we could do this year.

[Stophovr6]

hack pure ASS

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5mnousiz4I0/TUjdu7VDYLI/AAAAAAAABt0/hCofTHV-mFg/s400/u-mad___camron.jpg

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Um, our very own Mike Shanahan benched Jake Plummer for Jay Cutler when the Broncos were 7-4. They were 7-2, lost 2 games, and Shanahan benched Plummer for Cutler.

So pretty much you're proving my point? I asked when a team that was 3-1 coming off a win ever replaced a QB. Then I said I could see them replacing Grossman if he puts together a streak of losses, 2 of which would be enough to qualify in a season of 16 games, and you use that as your example. :whoknows:


Look I get it, Rex sucks. That doesn't mean Mike is going to do what you all want him to do. It's just not going to happen.

[Shadowfire]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5mnousiz4I0/TUjdu7VDYLI/AAAAAAAABt0/hCofTHV-mFg/s400/u-mad___camron.jpg

Not mad at all just can't stand someone who posts just to say something stupid....maybe if you learned to read the whole post you might have something halfway smart to say.

[Stophovr6]

Not mad at all just can't stand someone who posts just to say something stupid....maybe if you learned to read the whole post you might have something halfway smart to say.

I read your whole post, I chose to respond to part of it. Deal with it.

[MONTEY]

I guess you and others missed the part of my quote that said "today"?

Actually I didn't miss it. Romo had some bad moments today but he would have have put away the Rams earlier and not given them any hope like this Rex run offense. As well as Kyles play calling. My stomach flipped and flopped every time he released the damn ball. Not feeling him at all.

[ColdnGrey]

Originally Posted by Shadowfire



Thx for being a hack and trying to misquote me and making a pure ASS of yourself!!!

You keep getting mad at people for ignoring the part of your post that had absolutely nothingnto do with the topic of the thread YOU started. Talk about being a hack....

[JerseyGator]

Romo had a horrible game today as much as some would like to spin it (like I'm sure the media is already doing). One of his pick sixes was the same type of play that Rex's second one was. Another Int (his 3rd that led to a Lions TD) was off his back foot I believe. The way he telegraphs Witten sometimes, I'm surprised he didn't throw more. Cowboys receivers weren't challenged very much early by the Lions and the Lions put little pressure on Romo for much of the game.

I bet Rex gets better when Armstrong comes back. It seems as if he's the Skins primary deep threat.

[illone]

Romo and Grossman should both be flipping burgers.

I actually found the uniform for Rex's next "team":

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv213/foreverkins/hot_dog_on_a_stick_girls1.jpg

[SkinsTillIDie]

So pretty much you're proving my point? I asked when a team that was 3-1 coming off a win ever replaced a QB. Then I said I could see them replacing Grossman if he puts together a streak of losses, 2 of which would be enough to qualify in a season of 16 games, and you use that as your example. :whoknows:


Look I get it, Rex sucks. That doesn't mean Mike is going to do what you all want him to do. It's just not going to happen.

I was mostly responding to this: "What team has ever switched QB's in this same position?" Same position, I took to mean, with a winning record and leading the division. We're still so much earlier in the season that I feel like switching to an unproven, rookie QB in Cutler at the 7-4 point is far, far riskier and ballsier than what a switch to Beck would do right now.

Look, we have a hell of a pass defense, a hell of a run defense, and our run offense is looking pretty damn good. It's our pass offense that is not just holding us back, but will end up losing games for us. It comes down to trust factor -- can the Shanahans trust Grossman to execute a call at this point? If we're up by one score in the 4th, is there any more trust that Grossman won't make a boneheaded decision and turn the ball over?

Beck is mostly an unproven, but he's more accurate and more athletic and more risk averse. He's a far more suitable game manager than Grossman, which is probably the best bet for our team at this point. Will it happen? Who knows, certainly not you, certainly not I. But to rule it out is unbelievably dumb, and frankly ignorant when it comes to this coaching staff, who benched McNabb (twice!) in widely shocking moves.

The Shanahans were looking for every reason to play Beck this season, and they may have found enough.

[ciresolstice]

It's not just the int's, there are a lot of other bad decisions and throws that kill drives that are just bad..throwing late, across your body into the teeth of the defense...did I mention throwing late? Throwing high, low, and behind. I think he's the same Rex. He will make some nice tosses sometimes..but otherwise he is below average, unfortunately we just don't currently have a better option. The team has a winning record going into the bye...I think you have to stay with him. ugh. If they change to Beck I wouldn't be disappointed however. QB is just not a strong point with this team...need to draft someone.

[Skinsfanatic_1]

I'm so scared they won't make the change before it's too late. Can't they see that Rex is just not the guy that can get them to the playoffs????!

[-mando-]

To me you aren't losing anything if you put Beck in. Grossman is clearly just average whose prone to boneheaded throws. I'm pretty sure Beck can at least do that, wouldn't take much and what if he does surprise and can do more? Nowhere to go but up with the two guys we have. Rex hasn't done anything to seperate him from the rest.

[Stophovr6]

I was mostly responding to this: "What team has ever switched QB's in this same position?" Same position, I took to mean, with a winning record and leading the division. We're still so much earlier in the season that I feel like switching to an unproven, rookie QB in Cutler at the 7-4 point is far, far riskier and ballsier than what a switch to Beck would do right now.

Look, we have a hell of a pass defense, a hell of a run defense, and our run offense is looking pretty damn good. It's our pass offense that is not just holding us back, but will end up losing games for us. It comes down to trust factor -- can the Shanahans trust Grossman to execute a call at this point? If we're up by one score in the 4th, is there any more trust that Grossman won't make a boneheaded decision and turn the ball over?

Beck is mostly an unproven, but he's more accurate and more athletic and more risk averse. He's a far more suitable game manager than Grossman, which is probably the best bet for our team at this point. Will it happen? Who knows, certainly not you, certainly not I. But to rule it out is unbelievably dumb, and frankly ignorant when it comes to this coaching staff, who benched McNabb (twice!) in widely shocking moves.

The Shanahans were looking for every reason to play Beck this season, and they may have found enough.

I think they needed a loss today to have every reason to start Beck, but the rest of the team bailed Rex out. I've been wrong plenty of times, and I could certainly be wrong on this, but I just don't see Beck getting the start against the Eagles.

[ncr2h]

I think they needed a loss today to have every reason to start Beck, but the rest of the team bailed Rex out. I've been wrong plenty of times, and I could certainly be wrong on this, but I just don't see Beck getting the start against the Eagles.

How did the rest of the team bail Rex out, when he had Hightower drop 2 easy 3rd down conversions and Moss bat another easy 3rd down conversion into the hands of a defender? Rex didn't play great, but he certainly didn't play badly and he had some key failures by teammates (one of whom will be seeing less time in the future due to ineffective play).

[Morneblade]

Stop saying that we should "see what Beck has got". My question to you all is "why"? We're winning. Our playcalling is horrible, and our receivers stink. Rex hasn't looked good, but I seriously doubt Beck could do any better. He hasn't proved anything, and there's no reason to suggest he could.

There are a couple of reasons why. First, Rex has looked bad and the fact that we are 3-1 isnt because of him. He cant make certain throws, has no pocket pressence and is going to give you a couple of bad turnovers a game. Instead of 3-1 we should be 4-0. Beck has a better arm and is more mobile, things that are hurting us right now. Grossman's only advantage was familiarity with the offense, which after being in the system for over a year isnt something he has a big advantage on Beck anymore.

[SkinsFTW]

Eventually the playcalling will either go ultra conservative or they'll replace Grossman. We would blow sure wins by calling those same plays with Grossman screwing them up late in games as he has the last 2 games.

We are just lucky it was the Rams. 25 other teams would have come back and won that one.

[BackToGlory]

The rationale to not bench Rex because we are 3-1 is retarded and stupid, what we have to lose 4 straight to do what needs to be done? Face it as I said Rex is the weak link I don't want another season lost because the coaching staff believes they can turn **** into gold. Kyle sucks as a play caller and Rex is bitchmade to run the offense. Anyone that can't see that is a retard. Period.

[Ynot]

I hope it's not Landry Jones. I'd love Barkely or Lindley though.

Add Wilson from Wisconsin, Saw him when he was with NC State. This Kid Has it all. Better Thrower of the Ball than Cam, yet has touch and Can elude the Rush. Just not as strong as CAM. CAM is just a beast of a QB.

[dfbovey]

Grossman doesn't make plays. Can't move the ball and makes too many turnovers. The running game is there, and the passing game is bringing down the offense. If they are going to continue calling rollouts and bootlegs, they need to put someone back there that can move. Might as well try Beck and see what happens for the rest of the year. If you're going to make the change, now is the time.

And QB is definitely the biggest priority on this team next year regardless. That much is evident. Luckily this is the best draft for QBs in some time. Will be interesting to see how far we go this year without one.

[IHOPSkins]

You can say what you like about Campbell - he doesnt make dumb ass throws that Rex does. Defense won this game. Period.HA. See end of first half Oakland game today

Rex > Captain Checkdown

"Unleash the Dragon" :doh:

[Brucko]

I am not a Grossman fan, with Rex you know what you have a QB who is up and down and very inconsistant. I do not know if Beck can be an effective QB, but I would like to see what he can do. Rex about cost us the game today. In my opinion it is time to give Beck a chance to see if he can play.

[NAZology]

You guys are all nuts. How many big 3rd down conversions did we succeed at today because of Rex. The 4th quarter pic was bad. That's it. It happens. Overall, there's no deep game to spread the field. Armstrong or someone needs to be a deep threat. The playcalling is sub par in my opinion. Rex is the guy. There needs to be some other things happening to support him which ultimately will lead to less mistakes by him. This forum drives me nuts sometimes. Wake up.

[rdskn4eva]

HA. See end of first half Oakland game today

Rex > Captain Checkdown

"Unleash the Dragon" :doh:

HA. The Rams aint the Pats. HA.

[JerseyGator]

I believe the Pats had the worst defense in the league enterring today's games. Skins RBs were not really impressive until today when Torrain surprised. I think they miss Armstrong - keeps defenses honest and he likes Rex a lot. I see a rebound against the Eagles with Torrain forcing defenses to take play action more seriously.

[JustAfan47]

This was not a good game for Sexy Rexy... I want beck to play for us but at the same time I dunno if its smart for us to make that call. I dont want the players to start not believeing can get it done.

[Taylorfan2179]

I do not like grossman, but I can't imagine beck would be any better. unfortunatly we are going to do decent enough this year to not get a stud qb.

[tiger187126]

HA. See end of first half Oakland game today

Rex > Captain Checkdown

"Unleash the Dragon" :doh:

if your saving grace to argue that campbell threw a bad interception, then you don't really have an argument.

grossman is a turnover machine, plain and simple.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I think the poor play plus the bye week is an opportunity to make a change without causing too much of a stir. We are living dangerously now and as teams get more film on Grossman, the advantage that is his familiarity with this offense will be less and less significant.

Do it now and give the team a chance to rally around Beck for two weeks. If Beck falls on his face, go back to Grossman.

[Destino]

This notion that Rex had a bad day entirely because of drops makes me question if people watched the game. Rex had drops by rams and redskins today, was barely pressured, and even had a terrible grounding penalty because his arm couldn't get it to the LoS. Sorry but he was horrible today and he had ideal conditions with that crazy running game after Torain came in.

[tiger187126]

This notion that Rex had a bad day entirely because of drops makes me question if people watched the game. Rex had drops by rams and redskins today, was barely pressured, and even had a terrible grounding penalty because his arm couldn't get it to the LoS. Sorry but he was horrible today and he had ideal conditions with that crazy running game after Torain came in.

0 sacks and 2 or 3 drops for grossman

7 sacks and 6 or 7 drops for bradford

and yet somehow grossman is the one giving the ball away and making people question his OC.

[U C S D SkinsFan]

Grossman is getting worse by the week. He isn't going to get benched b/c we're 3-1, but I think we are in trouble. Problem is, I don't think Beck will do any better. Beck will just be the complete opposite of Grossman...no ints and bad decisions, but no TDs. Pick your poison. We are 3-1 behind our running game and defense today. Let's hope Grossman can settle down a bit and have a better game after the bye.

[tiger187126]

Yes an injured, pathetic Rams team was still able to stick with us despite the pressure and sacks on Bradford. Rexy had experience in Shanny jr's offense before coming to the Skins so this is his 3rd year in the offense, right?

it's not that i don't think he understands the system, i just don't think he has the ability to make it work. as of week 4, he's a more of a liability than an asset. we keep winning in spite of untimely turnovers.

and while i'm pointing out stats, how about this one:

196 rushing yards for grossman

45 rushing yards for bradford

[WesB]

I wasn't going to jump on the get rid of Rex bandwagon earlier, but he made some bad throws that rookies make today. Unacceptable. We need to get a solid QB who won't make mistakes or force throws. Rex will make a brilliant throw one play and then come back and make a boneheaded throw. I feel sorry for our defense. They played awesome today, but had to go back on to the field without much of a rest due to bad INT's. Why is Rex still scrambling with the ball in one hand???? I know he didn't fumble, but that is asking for trouble.

[Destino]

0 sacks and 2 or 3 drops for grossman

7 sacks and 6 or 7 drops for bradford

and yet somehow grossman is the one giving the ball away and making people question his OC.

You argued against your position. Bradford despite more pressure and horrible reviecers somehow had a chance to tie this game. Grossman with no pressure and better support couldn't put the rams away. In fact every skins fan was screaming RUN THE BALL in the 4th. You know why that is? Of course you do. Stop lying to yourself.

[authentic]

QB is the position thats going to hold us back this year. Lets face it, Rex isn't getting any better. We need to hope that we get our guy in the draft next season.

[Woofer]

Of course I'd prefer Romo.....and so would you. :)

I wouldn't. I don't care how many broken ribs he has, he can stay in Dallas.

[authentic]

You argued against your position. Bradford despite more pressure and horrible reviecers somehow had a chance to tie this game. Grossman with no pressure and better support couldn't put the rams away. In fact every skins fan was screaming RUN THE BALL in the 4th. You know why that is? Of course you do. Stop lying to yourself.

I think Kyle needs to come to grips with the limitations of his QB. Rex IS NOT Matt Shaub, and never will be!! Nor do we have a stud like Andre Johnson. Though i do believe if we had an above average QB, our offense would take off. As for now we're 3-1, and we just need to continue to find ways to win. What else can i say.

[Joe_328]

You could replace Grossman with any QB, and you would get same or better results.

Grossman did nothing special. He won't. The running game and the defense won this. Grossman's only contribution was his mere existence.

[IHOPSkins]

HA. The Rams aint the Pats. HA.And Jason aint Rex


if your saving grace to argue that campbell threw a bad interception, then you don't really have an argument........Follow the argument

rdskn4eva said Campbell doesn't throw bad balls....and he is wrong as Campbell threw a dousy just today in the redzone giving away 3 points...and I pointed that out

Plus

I hate what Rex does....but please dont make assumptions about non-existing arguments

Rex > Captain Checkdown......aint saying much, but there you go

[MONTEY]

Would love to read or hear the stories on Rex while in Chicago. Probably the same issues we're discussing now. He just seems odd to me. Confused and lost. Like a little child. I just don't get it.

[tiger187126]

You argued against your position. Bradford despite more pressure and horrible reviecers somehow had a chance to tie this game. Grossman with no pressure and better support couldn't put the rams away. In fact every skins fan was screaming RUN THE BALL in the 4th. You know why that is? Of course you do. Stop lying to yourself.

i'm not arguing against my position. if you have run the ball for 200 yards play action should be automatic, and it would have been if rex could hit people. he had guys open and just could not make the throw.

40 runs to 29 passes.

so they stack against the run on 3rd and short or on any of the final drives and you should be able to pick them apart.

an average qb should be able to that.

guess we don't have an average qb.

[Destino]

You could replace Grossman with any QB, and you would get same or better results.

Grossman did nothing special. He won't. The running game and the defense won this. Grossman's only contribution was his mere existence.
And a damn good touchdown pass. He didn't have a good game but let's not pretend he did nothing good either.

[Stophovr6]

Would love to read or hear the stories on Rex while in Chicago. Probably the same issues we're discussing now. He just seems odd to me. Confused and lost. Like a little child. I just don't get it.

Add to that a defense that got him wins, it's the exact same story.

[tiger187126]

You could replace Grossman with any QB, and you would get same or better results.

Grossman did nothing special. He won't. The running game and the defense won this. Grossman's only contribution was his mere existence.

grossman's contribution is a net loss.

[RansomthePasserby]

Of course I'd prefer Romo.....and so would you. :)

http://theducks.org/pictures/do-not-want-dog.jpg

[Boston Skins]

And a damn good touchdown pass. He didn't have a good game but let's not pretend he did nothing good either.

They have that play down to a science, don't they? It seems like every game Rex is floating passes to Moss in the endzone.

[keecee]

Agreed,but Grossman makes him look good.

[Glenn X]

To paraphrase Denny Green, Rex Grossman is who we thought he was: erratic. When he's good, he's very good; when he's bad, he's terrible. As far as his eventual replacement? I find Matt Barkley intriguing, but I could see him returning for his senior year. In any event, there will be enough good QB prospects available in the upcoming draft that we should be able to find someone. Hopefully. :fortune:

[authentic]

And a damn good touchdown pass. He didn't have a good game but let's not pretend he did nothing good either.

he should have done better with minimum to no pressure in his face. The first pick wasn't his fault, that was on Santana, but the second one was totally on him at a critical point of the game. Too bad he as a history of this sort of nonsense. Which is why we aren't going far his season.

[skinsfan4life7]

We can't be mad at Rex. We knew what we were getting with him coming into the season. The plan was to be as good as we can at all other positions around him and hopefully offset his inability to be a star in this league. With great defensive play and a good running game we should stay competitive. Rex is going to have his bad plays and games here and there, but it is the rest of the teams job to overcome those mistakes as they have already and win the game.

[keecee]

By the grace of God,and a decent defense.He has no field presence.Always tackled from behind and fumbling,or throwing interceptions.With his receivers,it's inexcusable.Guess we're stuck with him this year though.Two words.......HAS BEEN.

---------- Post added October-2nd-2011 at 08:03 PM ----------

:logo:
There is 0 chance that Shanahan would ever let Campbell start for this team.

Their offense REQUIRES the QB to take those risks to make plays, not that I agree with Grossman making dumb decisions either but Campbell would be 2 seconds late on every play even with his stronger arm.

[tiger187126]

he should have done better with minimum to no pressure in his face. The first pick washing his fault, that was on Santana, but the second one was totally on him at a critical point of the game. Too bad he as a history of this sort of nonsense. Which is why we aren't going far his season.

people pretend like rex came in here with as a certified stud and that it must be our idiot coaches that are hamstringing him.

i just do not get how a qb with a history of boneheaded turnovers gets so much slack from fans of a team that looks like they want to push for more than a throwaway "rebuilding" year.

he's always been this way, and even he has admitted to "bad rex," and yet some of our fans blame the coaches for not running exclusively in the game as if the forward pass was no longer allowed.

[keecee]

Tfhat's two of us.Maybe they can find a qb next year.

[TD Riggo]

I think Kyle needs to come to grips with the limitations of his QB. Rex IS NOT Matt Shaub, and never will be!! Nor do we have a stud like Andre Johnson. Though i do believe if we had an above average QB, our offense would take off. As for now we're 3-1, and we just need to continue to find ways to win. What else can i say.


Last I checked, Kyle doesn't have Matt Shaub sitting on the bench. And Beck is a professional clipboard holder in the National Football League. We have Rex Grossman as our best option right now, so handle it!

I can't believe that a thread extolling the virtues of Beck versus the evils of Rex now has 4 pages! LET. IT. GO. PEOPLE!

[keecee]

people pretend like rex came in here with as a certified stud and that it must be our idiot coaches that are hamstringing him.

i just do not get how a qb with a history of boneheaded turnovers gets so much slack from fans of a team that looks like they want to push for more than a throwaway "rebuilding" year.

he's always been this way, and even he has admitted to "bad rex," and yet some of our fans blame the coaches for not running exclusively in the game as if the forward pass was no longer allowed.

[authentic]

Last I checked, Kyle doesn't have Matt Shaub sitting on the bench. And Beck is a professional clipboard holder in the National Football League. We have Rex Grossman as our best option right now, so handle it!

I can't believe that a thread extolling the virtues of Beck versus the evils of Rex now has 4 pages! LET. IT. GO. PEOPLE!

Well there it is... Rex is our best option, we have NOTHING better at this point. We need to deal with it. But its frustrating to see. Especially after witnessing a game where he couldn't make plays with no pressure on him.

[keecee]

Well,when you're right,you're right. He's a half assed back up qb.

[skinfan2k]

Worst qb in the nfc east and best record in the east. ill take that. just win baby.

[keecee]

Need to put Sonny Jurgenson in a time machine.All the reccords he set,he did with virtually NO blocking,and sub par teams in general.Give this guy the packers,and quickly make them non contenders for the title.

[steve09ru]

I honestly don't understand all the hate for Rex. Is it every buying into what Chicago said about him? Yeah he misses a few but the Receivers are not getting any separation at all. Going back to the last play of the Dallas game when Rex was scrambling, not ONE receiver (out of 3) moved to even attempt to bail him out.

I also don't understand why we aren't using the play-action more than we have been. Rex looks great with the play-action and funny how that seems to lead to a completion/big gain - 9 times out of 10.

I think it's a mixture of lack of separation and Rex but certainly not all on Rex. We only have 2 legit options at receiver (Moss/Gaffney) considering Davis/Cooley have been kept back for blocking.

[jivelikenice]

Beck didn't embarass himself in the preseason so I don't get the argument that Rex is the only option we have. He has played one good game, one decent game, and two bad games. Add to that 7 turnovers in 4 games. Add to that an inability to use the entire playbook based on limited arm strength. He should start versus the Eagles, but if he struggles that game that should be it. We're winning inspite of our QB play, not because of it.

[Woofer]

Rex is who he is. He somehow manages to win games, including a Super Bowl. He'll never be a Jurgensen or a Theisman, but maybe he can be a Rypien (without the long ball, anyway).

[JerseyGator]

Just the facts re: turnovers and 5 QBs careers (or relevant parts)

Cutler 35 starts with Bears: 1.94 INTs/Fumbles per game
Vick 74 starts with TWO teams: 1.81 INTs/fumbles per game
Romo 65 starts with one team: 1.66 INts/fumbles per game
Rex 38 career starts with TWO teams: 1.87 Ints/fumbles per game (with 4 different OC's)
Eli 116 starts with ONE team: 1.51 INTs/turnovers per game (115 Ints in 116 games)

Re fumbles and the above stats, each of the 4 starting QBs for the NFC East has a remarkable tendency of fumbling once for roughly every three times he is sacked.

Rex 26 fumbles over 75 sacks
Eli 60 fumbles over 176 sacks (i.e. Eli would have more fumbles if he was sacked more)
Romo 41 fumbles over 113 sacks
Vick 73 fumbles over 227 sacks

BET YOU WON'T EVER SEE THIS FROM ESPN. You're welcome. Gotta love media hype.

[Bat~man]

I keep saying this.. but, we have Beck and Rex. If you start Beck 16 games you will more than likely have the same record, give or take a game, as opposed to starting Rex all year. Neither one of them are good NFL QBs, they are backups, nothing more.

We have to just hope we can scratch and claw our way to a decent run this year... and work some kind of miracle in the draft next year.

[Brotherz]

We have been saying for over a decade that we are only one or two pieces away from being a contender. This off-season we will be right about it when we say it. We obviously need the franchise QB and the stud wide out. When we have those things, we will be officially for real.

[jivelikenice]

I honestly don't understand all the hate for Rex. Is it every buying into what Chicago said about him? Yeah he misses a few but the Receivers are not getting any separation at all. Going back to the last play of the Dallas game when Rex was scrambling, not ONE receiver (out of 3) moved to even attempt to bail him out.

I also don't understand why we aren't using the play-action more than we have been. Rex looks great with the play-action and funny how that seems to lead to a completion/big gain - 9 times out of 10.

I think it's a mixture of lack of separation and Rex but certainly not all on Rex. We only have 2 legit options at receiver (Moss/Gaffney) considering Davis/Cooley have been kept back for blocking.

We used play action a ton today so I'm not sure what you were watching. Maybe our receivers are having a tougher time because defensive coordinators know that don't have to cover the entire field against us. Rex CAN'T throw outside the hashmarks and can't throw deep. Its a lot tougher to get separation when you're working in a limited field.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Refusing to bench your QB because you happen to be winning games is just as illogical as benching your QB just because you happen to be losing games. Coaches should be able to compartmentalize how players and position groups are performing and react accordingly.

[keecee]

No,he won't start.It'll take him getting hurt,to get him out.It's worth trying Beck,for the athletic abilities alone.Most moms move quicker than he does,and that's why he gets caught from behind,and fumbles about every third game.

[jivelikenice]

We have been saying for over a decade that we are only one or two pieces away from being a contender. This off-season we will be right about it when we say it. We obviously need the franchise QB and the stud wide out. When we have those things, we will be officially for real.

Total hypothetical here but I'll just toss it out. If the Rams get the 1st pick, would you offer several picks for Bradford if they chose to go with Luck?

---------- Post added October-3rd-2011 at 01:23 AM ----------


Refusing to bench your QB because you happen to be winning games is just as illogical as benching your QB just because you happen to be losing games. Coaches should be able to compartmentalize how players and position groups are performing and react accordingly.

I agree with not benching him. Maybe getting him back on his home field will help. THAT BEING SAID his leash would be extremely small and Beck should get some 1st team reps.

[ConnSKINS26]

We have been saying for over a decade that we are only one or two pieces away from being a contender. This off-season we will be right about it when we say it. We obviously need the franchise QB and the stud wide out. When we have those things, we will be officially for real.

Hmmm...Blackmon and a 2nd round QB? Tannehill? I like it, and use rounds 3-5 on ILB/OG/RT/

[keecee]

I can only say you are right on all counts.Especially the pocket presence.He has NONE.Almost to the point of looking like he's in a trance.Like I've said before,is he deaf? I can hear the footsteps from my house.Not him.It's about every third game,caught from behind,and lose the ball.Even a dog learns by trial and error.NOT Rex. Sad to watch.Again,maybe next year.

[bigdoublebass]

You guys are all nuts. How many big 3rd down conversions did we succeed at today because of Rex. The 4th quarter pic was bad. That's it. It happens. Overall, there's no deep game to spread the field. Armstrong or someone needs to be a deep threat. The playcalling is sub par in my opinion. Rex is the guy. There needs to be some other things happening to support him which ultimately will lead to less mistakes by him. This forum drives me nuts sometimes. Wake up.

I am thinking the same thing.

Rex is our only option right now and Shanny has no problem benching anyone. I am sure he knows what Beck can do and he would get him out there if it would give us the best chance to win. We all know Rex is not here to stay but the coaches believe he is the best we can do right now so I will just root for my squad and be happy we are going in the right direction as a team.

[milellie111]

This team would be a contender if we had a even just a decent QB. Shanahans knew they had backups to start this year, yet this franchise didn't even make an attempt to bring in someone that would give us a shot. I blame them for not going after Hasselbeck. Even Marc Bulger would suffice. Defense won't win you every game

[SonnyJdayz]

I hate when I hear "a win is a win", as a skins fan since '68 I've been through the Gibbs era, he never took the stand "a win is a win" and just accepted the less than the best out of the team. I was at the Giants game and there was maybe 3 passes where our receivers didn't have to stop, jump or dive to catch the ball. The statment "Rex is Rex" is settling for mediocrity, he's not a rookie, his days of getting progressively better are gone, it's time to move on. His picks to Arizona, Dallas and St. Louis were "without" pressure, i.e. bad decisions. Good decision making cannot be taught and neither can athleticism. We have an elite defense, elite running backs and receivers, but we settle for "Rex" why? Mr Snyder why did we not get a QB in the off season?
As a Redskin Fan for life, I will not settle for mediocre at the most important position on the field. Any comments made about Beck are merely conjecture, good or bad, however we all know what we're getting with Rex, if the play can be saved by the receivers it most of the time will be, however if it's on Rex's back most of the time it will not be good for the skins.:cool:

[rdskn4eva]

And Jason aint Rex

Follow the argument

rdskn4eva said Campbell doesn't throw bad balls....and he is wrong as Campbell threw a dousy just today in the redzone giving away 3 points...and I pointed that out

Plus

I hate what Rex does....but please dont make assumptions about non-existing arguments

Rex > Captain Checkdown......aint saying much, but there you go


The pass that Jason threw today is NOT his norm. The pass that Rex threw today IS his norm. Thats the issue. Hes has turned the ball over in every game he has started for us.

[mzkp54]

I think this sentiment has been said, but while I do think that Rex is a problem, and I have made many comments as to how awful he is, I still believe he is a better option than Beck. Playing Beck because he is unknown and has more upside does not translate into the season that we are having. Our defense is good enough that most games that we win will be because of our defense. We're currently 4th in YPG and 8th in points allowed, but the Jets, Ravens, and Bucs are all above us and haven't played this week yet. If we were playing strictly for upside and to see what we have, Hankerson would be starting for us as well. This is a team that can win. I'm not saying we're going to the Super Bowl, but we could, because I really believe we can hang in with any team. With an offense that could win us games, we'd be a legitimate contender, but starting Beck will not give us that offense. If anything, it will set us back. We have seen that we can hang in games and win with Rex. We have the Eagles after the bye. Why change it up, and set ourselves up for a possible collapse against a divisional opponent? If Rex is losing us games, maybe I'll change my mind, but we do not have a QB that is worth benching Rex for on our roster. Lastly, Shanahan has turned what many thought to be the worst team in the NFL going into the season (they were stupid, but they still thought it) into a team that is 3-1 and considered a threat to win a division that has "America's team", "the Dream team," and the Giants, who are the most recent members of the NFC east to get a SB victory. If Shanahan thinks its time to go with Beck, he will have my support. But Rex is our QB now, and Shanahan has our franchise headed in the right direction, so I will support Rex until I don't think Shanny does.

Hail

[vigilante]

Grossman = Trent Dilfer status

I'm sorry but if this team is going anywhere, our defense and running game have to stay at the top of their games all season long.

Rex is a liability, simply put. He's in a better position to lose us games than win them.

Dear God almighty, I hope our defense continues to play at a high level.

[IHOPSkins]

The pass that Jason threw today is NOT his norm.......Actually he threw two today....right to the defenders :ols:

Jason threw SUCK here.......and He throws Suck in Oakland

I dont like Rex either but You want Jason Back?

[Destino]

Just the facts re: turnovers and 5 QBs careers (or relevant parts)

Cutler 35 starts with Bears: 1.94 INTs/Fumbles per game
Vick 74 starts with TWO teams: 1.81 INTs/fumbles per game
Romo 65 starts with one team: 1.66 INts/fumbles per game
Rex 38 career starts with TWO teams: 1.87 Ints/fumbles per game (with 4 different OC's)
Eli 116 starts with ONE team: 1.51 INTs/turnovers per game (115 Ints in 116 games)

Re fumbles and the above stats, each of the 4 starting QBs for the NFC East has a remarkable tendency of fumbling once for roughly every three times he is sacked.

Rex 26 fumbles over 75 sacks
Eli 60 fumbles over 176 sacks (i.e. Eli would have more fumbles if he was sacked more)
Romo 41 fumbles over 113 sacks
Vick 73 fumbles over 227 sacks

BET YOU WON'T EVER SEE THIS FROM ESPN. You're welcome. Gotta love media hype.

So what's wrong with him on the Redskins? Because he has 7 starts here and has 9int and 5lost fumbles. That would be 2 turnovers a game.

Has he gotten worse?

[JerseyGator]

Two of those INts went off receivers hands. At least knock the ball down if you can't catch it. Spencer made a great play on one of those fumblles with a 3 man rush. Give credit where it's due. The point is the media seems to ignore other QBs turnovers, like Eli's fumble today near his own goal line.

[tiger187126]

Two of those INts went off receivers hands. At least knock the ball down if you can't catch it. Spencer made a great play on one of those fumblles with a 3 man rush. Give credit where it's due. The point is the media seems to ignore other QBs turnovers, like Eli's fumble today near his own goal line.

you can't just take rex's numbers and extrapolate them and excuse them and not do the same for the other guys on your list.

oh wait, this is ES.

i guess i'm wrong, you can absolutely skew stats anyway you want to get your desired results.

[JerseyGator]

Congratulations Tiger, you have revealed the purpose of this useless thread. I could show a lot more re: extrapolating Rex's turnover stats with the Bears if you want. In sum, he played with an awful offensive line that was the oldest in the league in 2007, the year after he went to the SB. With Cutler, the Bears unfortunately for him haven't addressed it either. Cutler is whining left and right about it. Rex never once threw them under the bus

[tiger187126]

Congratulations Tiger, you have revealed the purpose of this useless thread. I could show a lot more re: extrapolating Rex's turnover stats with the Bears if you want. In sum, he played with an awful offensive line that was the oldest in the league in 2007, the year after he went to the SB. With Cutler, the Bears unfortunately for him haven't addressed it either. Cutler is whining left and right about it. Rex never once threw them under the bus

my point is you want to excuse rex's turnovers as mistakes by other players, but did you also excuse the 9 INTS eli threw last year that hit a receiver in the numbers before they were intercepted?

i'm not blaming you for faulty stats or leaving things out, ASF makes a living out of it on a much larger stage and strings people along with phantom numbers.

your stats are just a symptom of the board.

[ColdnGrey]

Would love to read or hear the stories on Rex while in Chicago. Probably the same issues we're discussing now. He just seems odd to me. Confused and lost. Like a little child. I just don't get it.

Glad to see you have Steve Youngs lame ass talking points down.

[rdskn4eva]

So what's wrong with him on the Redskins? Because he has 7 starts here and has 9int and 5lost fumbles. That would be 2 turnovers a game.

Has he gotten worse?

Based on his statts WITH THE REDSKINS, yes he's gotten worst. Its also WHEN he makes these dumb ass mistakes.

[Destino]

Two of those INts went off receivers hands. At least knock the ball down if you can't catch it. Spencer made a great play on one of those fumblles with a 3 man rush. Give credit where it's due. The point is the media seems to ignore other QBs turnovers, like Eli's fumble today near his own goal line.

Excuses aren't convincing arguments. Every QB has tipped balls picked. It evens out. According to your numbers Rex's turnover rate has increased.

[SpringfieldSkins]

You guys won't ever be happy with a QB.

Rex took this team to 3-1 at the bye just to spite you.

[jeffsays]

You should have named this thread the anti-redskins thread. Jesus, I have never seen so many people B*tch about a win. Rex will bounce back. Calm down

[tiger187126]

You guys won't ever be happy with a (bad) QB.

this team took rex to 3-1 at the bye just to spite him.

fixed that for you

[Hitman#21]

Rex is 3-1, He deserves more then 4 games.

[olejoe]

geeez...how come you people are never happy with what you have?

I suppose if Grossman were to QB the Redskins to a Super Bowl win, but its is an ugly season and an ugly SB win, they will hand out ugly SB rings and you all will say, we can't continue to win SBs this way.

"Let's dump Grossman and bring in Beck or anyone regardless of their qualification. Let's get rid Torin. Lets dump Haslett. We won the SB, but Kyle has to go. We need better WRs, our OL stinks, we just lucked out with the SB win. Get rid of everyone and start over - get all new players, get all new coaches, get all new front office, - we need to look pretty when we win."

Why not just relax and enjoy the ride. After all the Redskins have already won 3 games which is the maximum expectation for the entire season according to the experts. They weren't pretty wins but they were better than the Boys and Bird and even the small NY people... who is in the NFC East first place listing?

[JerseyGator]

You can make stats say whatever you want in the short term. My stats are largely over entire careers. All I ask is that you compare Cutlers turnovers with Rex's in Chicago, especially the years when they were working under the same OC.

And where exactly is Rex's best deep threat ever (Bernard Berrian)? On the bench in Minnesota, which is not exactly loaded with receivers.

[tiger187126]

Rex is 3-1, He deserves more then 4 games.

let me be on the record to say that Rex should not benched for Beck after the bye week.

i fully defend my right to ***** and moan about how awful he has played, because he has been terrible, but don't confuse that with me saying we should just switch to Beck.

i want my qb with 3 years in the system and a really good running game to be able to make basic throws and not give the game away to the other team.

[SpringfieldSkins]

fixed that for you

Clever.

Almost as original as hating on the quarterback of the Washington Redskins.

[tiger187126]

You can make stats say whatever you want in the short term. My stats are largely over entire careers. All I ask is that you compare Cutlers turnovers with Rex's in Chicago, especially the years when they were working under the same OC.

And where exactly is Rex's best deep threat ever (Bernard Berrian)? On the bench in Minnesota, which is not exactly loaded with receivers.

i'm not too versed on chicago's OC's but mike martz didn't become the OC until 2010, cutler's second year.

so if everything was equal in 2007 to 2009, you could compare those stats.

and even if you wanted to do that your phrase "my stats are largely over careers" doesn't make sense with what you're trying to do.

just compare head to head if you want to, but instead you're trying to make some greater point that i don't even think you understand.

it's just very hard to follow you.

[SkinsTillIDie]

You guys won't ever be happy with a QB.

Rex took this team to 3-1 at the bye just to spite you.

Do you know who else led this team to 3-1 records to start the season?

Patrick Ramsey.
Mark Brunell.
Jason Campbell.

[tiger187126]

Clever.

Almost as original as hating on the quarterback of the Washington Redskins.

as i stated above, i'm not for throwing in the backup qb which is the absolute time honored tradition as a redskins fan.

i'm just sick of going from extreme to extreme.

we go from a guy that's too protective of the football and doesn't take enough chances (campbell) to a guy who turns the ball over trying to squeeze it into tight windows when we have the lead (grossman).

can't we just get a guy in between?

[Destino]

Rex is 3-1, He deserves more then 4 games.
The Redskins are 3-1. The team. Rex doesn't own that record anymore than Tim Hightower does and I'm pretty sure I watched him lose his starting job today.

[yonisredskins]

Unbelievable I wish some topics were moderated and trashed by those who run this site!

Do you want a QB that gave up a big lead and LOST the game? Go see Romo and the Cowboys or stop by the Eagles!

[SpringfieldSkins]

Do you know who else led this team to 3-1 records to start the season?

Patrick Ramsey.
Mark Brunell.
Jason Campbell.

Great. What do those QB's have to do with the current season?


as i stated above, i'm not for throwing in the backup qb which is the absolute time honored tradition as a redskins fan.

i'm just sick of going from extreme to extreme.

we go from a guy that's too protective of the football and doesn't take enough chances (campbell) to a guy who turns the ball over trying to squeeze it into tight windows when we have the lead (grossman).

can't we just get a guy in between?

So would you rather have Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman or Donovan McNabb under center? I think that McNabb was supposed to be the "in between". That turned out great.

Look, I understand we would really want to have a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees tossing the ball around for us. We aren't that fortunate. Great QB's like that don't get traded away either (unless you're the Chargers and have a glut of talented QB's).

Would I rather have an Eli Manning, Michael Vick, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisburger over Rex Grossman. At this point in time, I don't think so.

---------- Post added October-2nd-2011 at 09:26 PM ----------


The Redskins are 3-1. The team. Rex doesn't own that record anymore than Tim Hightower does and I'm pretty sure I watched him lose his starting job today.

Because the starting RB job is exactly like the starting QB job in today's NFL.

[HighPlainsDrifter]

whoops I thought this thread was for bashing Rex Ryan...my bad

[Spooky]

let me be on the record to say that Rex should not benched for Beck after the bye week.

i fully defend my right to ***** and moan about how awful he has played, because he has been terrible, but don't confuse that with me saying we should just switch to Beck.

i want my qb with 3 years in the system and a really good running game to be able to make basic throws and not give the game away to the other team.

You are looking at it the wrong way. He will never be Brady but he is 3-1, He is ranked 10th in the league for passing yards, He is 16th (middle of the road) for QB rating. He did a good job today moving the chains. He is exceeding my expectations. To say he played "awful" and "terrible" today is hyperbole. Honestly, even with humbe stats I think he has been more productive then any QB we have had in recent years.

[NewEraofSkins08]

No, he was awful today. Missed many opportunities on throws, made dumb decisions that should've accounted for two more INT's. He needs to play well in practice next 2 weeks to show the coaches something. If I'm Beck..I'm licking my chops right now.

[tiger187126]

Great. What do those QB's have to do with the current season?

he's making the point that 3-1 isn't necessarily a sign of good qb play, or an indicator of coming success, not hard to understand.

So would you rather have Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman or Donovan McNabb under center? I think that McNabb was supposed to be the "in between". That turned out great.

Look, I understand we would really want to have a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees tossing the ball around for us. We aren't that fortunate. Great QB's like that don't get traded away either (unless you're the Chargers and have a glut of talented QB's).

Would I rather have an Eli Manning, Michael Vick, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisburger over Rex Grossman. At this point in time, I don't think so.

i understand we can't have an elite quarterback, but asking for a qb who is in between campbell's reserved nature and grossman's gunslinging turnover nature isn't exactly saying i want the next coming of marino. rex is playing bad, like really bad. like 2 turnovers a game bad. if you're ok with that, fine. but i just don't think that's acceptable for a guy with 3 years experience in this system and a pretty good running game. not to mention the defense that has been playing pretty damn well. i would take ben and eli over grossman. vick's too injury prone and i hate turnovers so i wouldn't be banging the drums for romo.



---------- Post added October-2nd-2011 at 09:26 PM ----------



Because the starting RB job is exactly like the starting QB job in today's NFL.

grossman has done more for the other teams than he has for us, imho.

[SpringfieldSkins]

So, if Rex is playing so poorly for us as you suggest... what should we do with our QB position?

[Destino]

Because the starting RB job is exactly like the starting QB job in today's NFL.
Think the Vikings would be more alarmed by McNabb or Peterson being benched? RB is not the same as a QB... but bad is bad.

[tiger187126]

You are looking at it the wrong way. He will never be Brady but he is 3-1, He is ranked 10th in the league for passing yards, He is 16th (middle of the road) for QB rating. He did a good job today moving the chains. He is exceeding my expectations. To say he played "awful" and "terrible" today is hyperbole. Honestly, even with humbe stats I think he has been more productive then any QB we have had in recent years.

7 games, 14 turnovers.

if that's exceeding your expectations i don't know what to tell you.

we're:
6th in rushing yards,
8th in YPC,
4th in ATT/game,
12th in yds/game

with zero rushing turnovers.

with that kind of running game a qb should be able to do better than "humble" against a secondaries like the rams, giants, dallas, and arizona.

[veteranskinsfan]

I have been down on Rex since the day he arrived in D.C. He was not sharp today. I agree that next year we need to groom a starting quarterback. This year most of our games will be close and we will have few blowouts. We have been watching close games for so many seasons now. I like what one Washington Post writer said last week-there are three Rex's--- Good Rex, Bad Rex,
and Train Rex. If we had lost to the Rams today, a lot of fans would have labled him Train Rex. Shanny could argue today that he played better than Romo ( 2 interceptions vs 3 interceptions).

[SpringfieldSkins]

Think the Vikings would be more alarmed by McNabb or Peterson being benched? RB is not the same as a QB... but bad is bad.

There are only a handful of feature backs in the NFL any more. I wouldn't consider Hightower a feature back because he wasn't on the job for long enough. Most NFL teams rotate RB's as needed. Most teams do not rotate QB's as needed.

QB's are normally only replaced if they play so awful that they cost their team the game. Rex hasn't cost this team any games yet. Is it possible he will, sure. Is it possible that other starting QB's in this league cost their team's games and still retain their starting roles, absolutely.

[tiger187126]

There are only a handful of feature backs in the NFL any more. I wouldn't consider Hightower a feature back because he wasn't on the job for long enough. Most NFL teams rotate RB's as needed. Most teams do not rotate QB's as needed.

QB's are normally only replaced if they play so awful that they cost their team the game. Rex hasn't cost this team any games yet. Is it possible he will, sure. Is it possible that other starting QB's in this league cost their team's games and still retain their starting roles, absolutely.

we're not going to be playing the rams every week and 2 turnovers a game isn't going to fly against better competition.

i don't want to bury my head in the sand and pretend everything is ok and that 3-1 means that everything is all peaches and cream.

[Destino]

Would I rather have an Eli Manning, Michael Vick, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisburger over Rex Grossman. At this point in time, I don't think so.
Why would you put Eli Manning on that list?

Completion percentage? 64 to 58.
Yards? 1,066 to 989
Touchdowns? 8 to 6
Interceptions? 2 to 5
Fumbles lost? 1 to 2
Rating? 94.2 to 74.9

How many starts has Eli missed due to injury in his career? How many has Rex?

You can support Rex without being a fanboy completely disconnected from reality.

[SpringfieldSkins]

we're not going to be playing the rams every week and 2 turnovers a game isn't going to fly against better competition.

i don't want to bury my head in the sand and pretend everything is ok and that 3-1 means that everything is all peaches and cream.

I'm not saying that everything is A-OK.

Do you have a better option than playing Rex Grossman at QB right now?

[Spooky]

7 games, 14 turnovers.

if that's exceeding your expectations i don't know what to tell you.

we're:
6th in rushing yards,
8th in YPC,
4th in ATT/game,
12th in yds/game

with zero rushing turnovers.

with that kind of running game a qb should be able to do better than "humble" against a secondaries like the rams, giants, dallas, and arizona.

Jeeze Tiger, it sounds like you are morning a loss. You listed several reason to be happy about the directions of this team. I am going to go celebrate the win.

[tiger187126]

Why would you put Eli Manning on that list?

Completion percentage? 64 to 58.
Yards? 1,066 to 989
Touchdowns? 8 to 6
Interceptions? 2 to 5
Fumbles lost? 1 to 2
Rating? 94.2 to 74.9

How many starts has Eli missed due to injury in his career? How many has Rex?

You can support Rex without being a fanboy completely disconnected from reality.

because they both went to a super bowl and rex won his.....


oh wait.

[Destino]

There are only a handful of feature backs in the NFL any more. I wouldn't consider Hightower a feature back because he wasn't on the job for long enough. Most NFL teams rotate RB's as needed. Most teams do not rotate QB's as needed.

QB's are normally only replaced if they play so awful that they cost their team the game. Rex hasn't cost this team any games yet. Is it possible he will, sure. Is it possible that other starting QB's in this league cost their team's games and still retain their starting roles, absolutely.
QB's are replaced when coaches think there is a better option on the bench. Ramsey got yanked quickly by Gibbs for instance. The second Shanahan thinks Rex isn't the best option he's out or is ONE (not several) bad games from being replaced. The hot seat doesn't allow for many screw ups. I think that Rex's seat is heating up.

[tiger187126]

Jeeze Tiger, it sounds like you are morning a loss. You listed several reason to be happy about the directions of this team. I am going to go celebrate the win.

that's fine, but this thread has nothing to do with celebrating a win.

thanks for your useless input. there's a thread about being positive, i've posted in it and if you don't want to read negative things maybe you should go there.

this is about rex being bad rex.

[SpringfieldSkins]

Why would you put Eli Manning on that list?

Completion percentage? 64 to 58.
Yards? 1,066 to 989
Touchdowns? 8 to 6
Interceptions? 2 to 5
Fumbles lost? 1 to 2
Rating? 94.2 to 74.9

How many starts has Eli missed due to injury in his career? How many has Rex?

You can support Rex without being a fanboy completely disconnected from reality.

If you think that Eli has the "it factor" that this fan base desperately desires in their QB you'd be a fool. Eli would get eaten alive by this fan base. While Eli's numbers are better than Rex's, they aren't world beating numbers. If you are a QB of the Washington Redskins and your numbers aren't world beaters, you'll be ridiculed. It's that simple.

[Bobbyst21]

If you think that Eli has the "it factor" that this fan base desperately desires in their QB you'd be a fool. Eli would get eaten alive by this fan base. While Eli's numbers are better than Rex's, they aren't world beating numbers. If you are a QB of the Washington Redskins and your numbers aren't world beaters, you'll be ridiculed. It's that simple.
The way most members are on here,we'd of been calling for Brady to be replaced after throwing 4 picks last week and losing the game to the bills if Brady was our QB. We want what is unattainable, absolute and utter perfection.

[SpringfieldSkins]

QB's are replaced when coaches think there is a better option on the bench. Ramsey got yanked quickly by Gibbs for instance. The second Shanahan thinks Rex isn't the best option he's out or is ONE (not several) bad games from being replaced. The hot seat doesn't allow for many screw ups. I think that Rex's seat is heating up.

During the preseason, I wanted John Beck. After the season started, I got behind Rex Grossman but I always had a little theory in mind.

Shanahan spoke so highly of Beck and considering the amount of roll outs we are seeing, they seem much more suitable for Beck. Shanny chooses Grossman to start but knows he's got somebody who could possibly be a better QB in Beck. If Grossman sucks it up, he can easily plug in Beck. If Beck comes in as the replacement he has no pressure on him. We'll be in the running for a draft pick this off season so what the hell. Throw Beck out there.


As of right now though, we are 3-1 and Rex hasn't cost us any games. He's our best option.

[skinfan2k]

You want McNabb or JC back? we would be probably 1-3 or 0-4 with them

[tiger187126]

If you think that Eli has the "it factor" that this fan base desperately desires in their QB you'd be a fool. Eli would get eaten alive by this fan base. While Eli's numbers are better than Rex's, they aren't world beating numbers. If you are a QB of the Washington Redskins and your numbers aren't world beaters, you'll be ridiculed. It's that simple.

what he was saying is he would take eli over grossman because eli is the better qb.

there's nothing crazy about that and he's right.

no one ever said eli is elite, and being better than grossman isn't much of an accomplishment.

[SkinSince87]

Shanahan is quick to bench Hightower and rightfully so I'm hoping i see him do the same with Rex never liked him from college to now and even if he passes for 5000 yards I still won't like him he has no upside at all and seems to be a nice back up

[tiger187126]

You want McNabb or JC back? we would be probably 1-3 or 0-4 with them

alright this thread has lost it's intelligence and now people are just throwing out wild accusations that are completely baseless.

i'm out of here gentlemen, have fun making up things.

[clskinsfan]

Shanahan is quick to bench Hightower and rightfully so I'm hoping i see him do the same with Rex never liked him from college to now and even if he passes for 5000 yards I still won't like him he has no upside at all and seems to be a nice back up

You cant just bench someone without a better option to replace him. Grossman is 3-1 there is no way you bench him now. If we lose a couple in a row then maybe. But not now.

[SpringfieldSkins]

what he was saying is he would take eli over grossman because eli is the better qb.

there's nothing crazy about that and he's right.

no one ever said eli is elite, and being better than grossman isn't much of an accomplishment.

And what I'm saying is this fan base would eat Eli alive at 3-1 as well.

His numbers aren't impressive. He has 2 more TD's. Nobody would care about those 2 extra TD's when hating on him.

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alright this thread has lost it's intelligence and now people are just throwing out wild accusations that are completely baseless.

i'm out of here gentlemen, have fun making up things.

I asked you several posts ago, what better option do you see for the team?

That's all I wanted to know.

[JerseyGator]

Tiger,

Pot meet kettle. Wow, just wow. Eli got to choose his own coaches and his own team. I've watched Eli for years and I don't think he's ever outplayed Rex on the same field on the same day. If his name was Grossman he would have been riding the pine years ago given all of his INTs.

[Destino]

You want McNabb or JC back? we would be probably 1-3 or 0-4 with them

Best case scenario is having the exact same QB's we have now without having traded for McNabb. But no I would not want McNabb or JC back.

[skinfan2k]

Best case scenario is having the exact same QB's we have now without having traded for McNabb. But no I would not want McNabb or JC back.

Well the rumor is that Kyle wanted Rex to start last year but i don't think he would have made it thru last season and not Beck either. I think getting Mcnabb might be the best thing that happened because this is the draft where you want to get a QB not last year with Locker, gabbert and Newton. I think this year might be a QB draft that might be the best since 2004.

[Destino]

Tiger,

Pot meet kettle. Wow, just wow. Eli got to choose his own coaches and his own team. I've watched Eli for years and I don't think he's ever outplayed Rex on the same field on the same day. If his name was Grossman he would have been riding the pine years ago given all of his INTs.
I see what you did there. Would you argue that Rex is better than Eli or not? Remove this "on the same field" stuff because neither of them play defense.

[Bigmuss1]

I can't believe this fan base, we are 3-1, that is the only thing that matters. I don't care who our Qb is, Shanahan knows he couldn't completely rebuild this team in one year. They focused in on the interior of this team, and will continue the rebuild with other parts later. Just be happy, 3-1! Who would of thought this would be our record goin into the bye? Certainly not me, and if your honest with yourself you didn't either.

[GoDeep81]

Im not sure what some of you expect? We know what we got in both these guys, and neither one is gonna be our salvage at QB.. Beck got a fair shot imo, and he wasn't even as good as Rex! I can't imagine coach making a change unless Rex looses us a couple games in a row, solely on his mistakes.. So far, he's getting the job done, albeit barely, but he's not the sole reason for the lack of offense.. Kyle's not done a very good job of calling plays, and Rex has had help in half of the int's he's thrown..

[Destino]

Well the rumor is that Kyle wanted Rex to start last year but i don't think he would have made it thru last season and not Beck either. I think getting Mcnabb might be the best thing that happened because this is the draft where you want to get a QB not last year with Locker, gabbert and Newton. I think this year might be a QB draft that might be the best since 2004.

Cam Newton looks damn good. I wouldn't mind having him at all. We were never in position to get him though.

[SpringfieldSkins]

I see what you did there. Would you argue that Rex is better than Eli or not? Remove this "on the same field" stuff because neither of them play defense.

Eli is better than Beck.

Eli is not good enough for this fan base though. Every single season, there is a thread here about how the current QB should be replaced. That's what bugs me.

[CapnRedskins]

People seem to be forgetting that this was against the Rams and it's as easy as it's going to get this season (well we still have Miami). What is the Jets defense gonna do to Grossman? What if he turns it over against the Patriots? I know their defense isn't great but you think if Rex turns it over that Brady and co. won't turn that into points? We gotta play the Bills in 3 weeks and they picked off Brady 4 times! What are they gonna do to Rex?

Honestly folks, this can get real ugly if some adjustments aren't made. I'm not saying put Beck in but I am saying the coaching staff needs to realize Grossman's shortcomings and compensate wherever possible.

[SpringfieldSkins]

People seem to be forgetting that this was against the Rams and it's as easy as it's going to get this season (well we still have Miami). What is the Jets defense gonna do to Grossman? What if he turns it over against the Patriots? I know their defense isn't great but you think if Rex turns it over that Brady and co. won't turn that into points? We gotta play the Bills in 3 weeks and they picked off Brady 4 times! What are they gonna do to Rex?

Honestly folks, this can get real ugly if some adjustments aren't made. I'm not saying put Beck in but I am saying the coaching staff needs to realize Grossman's shortcomings and compensate wherever possible.

We will deal with that when we get there. No, the sky is not falling.

Remember, most of you picked the Reskins to be 7-9 or 8-8. If we lose to the Bills, the Pats or the Jets... or all three. Oh well. We are right on track to be 8-8.

[CapnRedskins]

Eli is better than Beck.

Eli is not good enough for this fan base though. Every single season, there is a thread here about how the current QB should be replaced. That's what bugs me.

Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte (though I kinda liked him), Jeff George, Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel (sp?), Patrick Ramsey, an aging Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, an over-the-hill Donovan McNabb, and now Rex Grossman.

...and that's only going back to 1995.
Maybe the fans aren't the problem. If there's one QB who did get a bad rap in this town in recent memory it was Brad Johnson in 2000 and that was more Snyder and the coaching staff than the fan base.

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We will deal with that when we get there. No, the sky is not falling.

Remember, most of you picked the Reskins to be 7-9 or 8-8. If we lose to the Bills, the Pats or the Jets... or all three. Oh well. We are right on track to be 8-8.

True. It's just those fans who were ready to buy play-off tickets at 2-0 who are now whining that piss me off. Rex is Rex. This isn't the 2006 Bears and he will not take this team to the play-offs. It just sucks because I can see it already, 1 or 2 games away from the play-offs this season with Rex costing us a few.

[Destino]

Eli is better than Beck.

Eli is not good enough for this fan base though. Every single season, there is a thread here about how the current QB should be replaced. That's what bugs me.

Eli has a superbowl ring. QB's with a superbowl ring get a lot of love here.

[SpringfieldSkins]

You would add Eli Manning to that list if he came to town.

Sure, the fans have a reason to be suspect about any QB who starts for the team. We'll hardly give them a chance though. We're 4 games in, with a record of 3-1 and already calling for Rex's job.

[Destino]

You would add Eli Manning to that list if he came to town.

Sure, the fans have a reason to be suspect about any QB who starts for the team. We'll hardly give them a chance though. We're 4 games in, with a record of 3-1 and already calling for Rex's job.

You're arguing the fans are impatient. Fine. Who did the fans run out of town that the team should have stuck with long term? They didn't run Trent Green out of town... sadly the team didn't offer him as much as the Rams did.

[SpringfieldSkins]

Eli has a superbowl ring. QB's with a superbowl ring get a lot of love here.

I'd love to see that. It would be a hoot!


Something like this:


Eli Manning is a terrible QB. The pick he threw was awful, just terrible judgement. He cost us the game and just can't play consistently. He's so damn hesitant with the ball and it's killing our offense. The should have just run the ball dammit.


I know. Eli is just garbage. Bench him please.


Why can't we just draft a damn QB. Our front office sucks!


Eli has a superbowl ring.

[MdMack21]

This is a tough position to be in but im not on the Rex wagon anymore. I hope he proves me wrong and does well but his turnovers are a killer. He HAS to see these MLBs dropping off in to zone over the middle. These predetermined throws are killing us. READ the coverage Rex. Im not too sure if Beck can do much better so in the end we are just stuck with what we have. If Grossman continues to play this way and ends up costing us Ws then its time to look at Beck. Especially if the coaches feel he can play and play well. I mean he couldnt do much worse than Rex who is avging about 2 TOs per game. We havent even really attacked down field either.

[Shawn12]

What did you all expect? Geez. This is a horrible thread. Beck looks no better than Grossman and obviously the coaches feel that way. We are 3-1 in a season where half the people here said we would win a few games or even suggested tanking the season. I don't think anyone believes Rex is the answer and never has. Reading people talk about giving Beck a shot or we'll never make the playoffs is ridiculous. What I take from the games is that our ability to stretch the field is crap. We cannot go deep. We cannot even really go medium. If all you do is throw short, of course it's going to be tough to have good games at QB. Every team we play fills the field fairly close to the line of scrimmage. Its the same reason it's hard to score inside the ten yard line. Maybe it's play calling or maybe it's our receivers. But I really don't think it's just Rex. Nor do I think anything changes if you put Beck in. Answer honestly: have you seen the Skins even somewhat resemble other team's ability to pass the ball? We have no receivers who streak the field. None that go up and grab a ball in the air. If we don't have a soft spot in a zone, we don't throw with any success. And again, that will not change with Beck. And do not say "well he can scramble" cuz we can run the ball just fine.

[CapnRedskins]

You would add Eli Manning to that list if he came to town.

Sure, the fans have a reason to be suspect about any QB who starts for the team. We'll hardly give them a chance though. We're 4 games in, with a record of 3-1 and already calling for Rex's job.

All those I mentioned were given plenty of chance either by Washington or somewhere else prior to coming into town. Hell, some were given a chance else where and had no business even being a starting NFL QB yet were still given another shot in DC (Banks and the Gator QBs). Any on that list I mentioned that you honestly think should've stuck around? Any on that list that you think were treated unfairly by the fan base and run out of town? If so, please explain why.

[Destino]

I'd love to see that. It would be a hoot!


Something like this:You mean you'd love to see a QB debate go EXACTLY like a coaching debate on this site.

[Slacky McSlackAss]

As of right now though, we are 3-1 and Rex hasn't cost us any games. He's our best option.

If not for our defense, he would have costed us this game and the Cards game IMO. He should be taking them all out for dinner to thank them for it.

[8181]

Rex Grossman is gonna need to be improved or replaced, but he's our best option from what we know. Beck didn't look good in the preseason.

[Shawn12]

Rather than be frustrated about Rex, maybe see the silver lining about how the body of this team is getting better and better. Now we can add a QB and really utilize him. Unlike the Rams who have a stud in Bradford and nobody to help him. I for one appreciate the approach this team took. The coming years look very bright.

[Timmy Smith]

Boswell's column is highly critical of Grossman's performance today, and at one point he writes:

"The Redskins’ conundrum is that the Shanahans believed during the past offseason that either Grossman or John Beck or both could be outstanding quarterbacks in the Shanahan offensive system. Against a team that entered the game next-to-last in defense, and had been outscored 96-36, Grossman completed only 15 of 29 passes for 143 yards, one score and a 48.5 rating."

Boswell seems to be suggesting that the Shanahans believed they could pencil in having an "outstanding" QB this year, whether it was Grossman, Beck, or a combination of the two. I disagree - I think the coaches know that it will take a few years and a few drafts before we have all the puzzle pieces in place, and they're waiting to fill the QB slot. Of course, any player can always play himself into a locked-down starting position, but Rex hasn't done it. And that's okay. The rest of the team is growing and we can get a permanent QB later, if it turns out after this year that Grossman isn't the answer.

[jazzy1]

This idea that Beck might not be much better so why change rap needs to stop. Rex must be replaced I say do it in game after a mistake. Rex is just making games too difficult to win. He's gonna undercut the confidence of the team if he's not benched.

[redunion1940]

Going off of Rex's history expect the next 2 to 3 games of Good to Okay performance, and then another bad game followed by 2 or 3 good or okay games.

[DeaconTheVillain]

It's politically impossible for Shanahan to bench a QB on a 3-1 team. That's the only reason he starts against the eagles. The trend is CLEAR. He has been worse every game he's played.

This is exactly how I feel. Yes, he isn't that good of a QB. 2 picks today, 1 of which was not his fault. The other was one of the worst throws I have ever seen.

We are in first place right now. We aren't making any changes. Just have to hope Rex get's better I guess.

[cjbrown]

I was just looking through the team stats on NFL.com. The running game is 6 or 7th in the NFL (from memory). The defense is tops on yards. The offense is high in time of possession.

The passing game is ~23. They are near the top in interceptions and near the bottom in yards per pass attempt. Did not see # of qb fumbles, but certainly we have had key ones.

I watched the games. Looks like Rex has time, and we know Davis, Cooley and Moss are good. Gaffney is probably decent - so where is the problem. We know Rex could have had many more interceptions - from the batted balls and dropped ones, so I would have to say Rex is the problem. He is not mobile so he doesn't really bring that much to the table. Kyle has produced great passing offenses, so he is not the issue.

I would not be surprised if the qb play stays the same we see Beck..

[SkinSince87]

He is regressing each game I understand the 3-1 record and all but who have we really beaten?

[cjbrown]

Agreed - I thing the plan was to build the defense and both lines. Get as many good, disciplined players in place. This will give us a good 8-8 team this year, with luck maybe better. But a above average drafted qb withoutother parts would be a disaster AND the qb may be no better than Grossman even in the long run.

We are not just building one first team but the pipeline that supplies it and the backup players that support the first team. So I am just enjoying the progress. We now have a good defense and a strong running game 2 years into the regime. If we continue and get a reasonable passing game then next year we might contend for a playoff win.

PS - Even Campbell in Oakland appears to be doing better than Grossman who says he knows the system.

[The Fax]

He is regressing each game I understand the 3-1 record and all but who have we really beaten?

It's almost like the more respectable a team is, the better Grossman plays. Hence...

GIANTS 3-1: Best Game
CARDS 1-3 : Decent game
COWBOYS 2-2: Average game
RAMS 0-4: Worst game so far

[SkinsFTW]

Going off of Rex's history expect the next 2 to 3 games of Good to Okay performance, and then another bad game followed by 2 or 3 good or okay games.

I'm not sure that we are going to get many of the good rex games. If it was going to happen it should have this week. He had the running game, he wasn't pressured or sacked, he had time, he still threw the ball up for grabs at least 5 times, maybe more, I haven't watched the game a 2nd time yet but against a very bad defense that every other team has picked to pieces he did very little.

Looks like the league has already figured him out again and as limited as he is as a QB he can't do anything about it.

[windsofcreation]

It's almost like the more respectable a team is, the better Grossman plays. Hence...

GIANTS 3-1: Best Game
CARDS 1-3 : Decent game
COWBOYS 2-2: Average game
RAMS 0-4: Worst game so far

^This.

Directly speaks to the inconsistency and general lack of reliability with Rex.

His lack of pocket presence is frightening. I'm crossing my fingers every time he drops back.

I hate to say it but i foresee a 4 INT game in the future.