The Pack & Aaron Rodgers

[JdoubleU]

Don't get me wrong, I bleed B&G, but watching the Pack today (1st half), I think Rodgers is the best QB in football right now. I never would have said such a thing 3 yrs ago, but they seem to move the ball at will. It's like watching Madden when he gets rolling.

[bigjumbo1971]

Tony Dungy said it at the beginning of the year that he was the best in the game and people couldnt believe he didnt pick Manning...The man is playing on another level

[CPortJGibbs89]

I believe him and Brady are the best Qbs in the game right now. Not sure who I would give the edge to since Brady has been playing insane but after the Bills game I would give the nod to Rodgers. He had 6 total tds today. The Packers offense looks unstoppable. I could see them repeating this year.

[JerseyGator]

Rodgers is one of the best, but he has far and away the best receiving corps in the NFL. The Pack's offense frankly reminds me a lot of the Gator offense in Spurrier's glory days with rex, wuerrfel, Matthews etc. The Pack has FIVE receivers that they drafted on their offense, including rookie Cobb. The Skins only had one in Moss at the end of last year I believe. As Phil Simms said, the system takes away the thinking on many plays for the QB. Just be accurate and throw hard down the field. Just like Rex did it at UF with three great receivers. The system works if you're committed to it and have a solid OL.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

I love watching the Packers....if only we could have drafted Rodgers that year...just one pick away...I had my fingers crossed :(

[Oldskool]

I love watching the Packers....if only we could have drafted Rodgers that year...just one pick away...I had my fingers crossed :(

We COULD have had Rodgers. We took Carlos Rogers much earlier in the 1st round..

[HailGreen28]

We COULD have had Rodgers. We took Carlos Rogers much earlier in the 1st round..old joke: It was a typo! We demand our QB now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Botched]

I hate the Packers right now.

I mean, you have a HOFer who never misses a game for like 15 years, and then after he leaves you get an even better quarterback? Seriously? Meanwhile the Redskins cycle through countless bottom-feeding scrub QBs in the same time period. **** you Green Bay.

[dockeryfan]

I will go to my grave thinking that Gibbs moved up in that draft to take Rodgers, then got scooped by GB after the trade.

[Warhead36]

Instead of Demarcus Ware and Aaron Rodgers, we ended up with Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell.

That basically summarizes life as a Redskins fan during the Vinny Cerrato era.

[terrifNick21]

I'd take Rodgers over Brady because of his ability to run with the ball. I think that sets him ahead ever so slightly. However, I'd gladly take either. :)

[Riggo-toni]

I will go to my grave thinking that Gibbs moved up in that draft to take Rodgers, then got scooped by GB after the trade.

Not a chance. Rodgers was never expected to last that long in the draft, and Gibbs traded all those picks way in advance of the draft. He wanted Campbell from the get-go. If he'd truly wanted Rodgers he would've snatched him @10.

[dockeryfan]

Not a chance. Rodgers was never expected to last that long in the draft, and Gibbs traded all those picks way in advance of the draft. He wanted Campbell from the get-go. If he'd truly wanted Rodgers he would've snatched him @10.

That trade happened on draft day Riggo

[Mr. Sinister]

Rodgers is the man right now. He is a great quarterback, playing in a great system, with great WR's. When you factor all of that together, along with their insane depth on both sides of the ball, that's just impossible to deal with. I'd have to look at their schedule, but right now, with the inconsistencies/shaky defenses of a lot of teams in the NFL, I don't think that it would be a stretch at all to imagine them getting to 10/12-0 this season.

[Riggo-toni]

That trade happened on draft day Riggo

No it didn't. The trade happened well before the draft, and Pastabelly broke the story that we were targeting Souphead.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041257

[dockeryfan]

No it didn't. The trade happened well before the draft, and Pastabelly broke the story that we were targeting Souphead.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041257

I was completely wrong on that . I remembered it happening on the day. Yikes.

[PokerPacker]

yeah, we've got a couple good players on the roster.

[terrifNick21]

yeah, we've got a couple good players on the roster.

Yeah, we remember from when we beat y'all last season. :pfft:

[PokerPacker]

Yeah, we remember from when we beat y'all last season. :pfft:

it was a charity loss. You guys just looked so sad over there, so we figured we'd give you something to hang your hat on. We figured since we were gonna win the Super Bowl, we could afford to drop our regular-season record by a game to help out the less fortunate.

:)

[SirClintonPortis]

Aaron Rodgers is yet another example of the RIGHT attitude a QB should have. He worked in the offseason a couple years ago to add certain throws to his repertoire, such as the skinny post, and WORKING ON HIS FOOTWORK, even though he already had 4000 yard seasons. A far cry from that loser on the Vikings, who thinks he's the black Manning and doesn't need to tweak his game. **** McNabb and **** you who STILL support him.

[terrifNick21]

it was a charity loss. You guys just looked so sad over there, so we figured we'd give you something to hang your hat on. We figured since we were gonna win the Super Bowl, we could afford to drop our regular-season record by a game to help out the less fortunate.

:)

And we thank you for that. However, you could've just given us Aaron Rodgers and taken the W. :)

[ACW]

Rodgers (and the Ravens D/ST) basically won my fantasy league :)

[pjfootballer]

I hate the Packers right now.

I mean, you have a HOFer who never misses a game for like 15 years, and then after he leaves you get an even better quarterback? Seriously? Meanwhile the Redskins cycle through countless bottom-feeding scrub QBs in the same time period. **** you Green Bay.

You could say that about the Cowboys (Staubach, Aikman, Romo) the Giants (Simms, Eli) the Bengals (Esiason, Palmer) the Niners (Montana, Young) or alot of other teams. It just shows how inept our FO has been when we draft Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell in the first rounds and get nothing. It literally makes you want to cry.

[Buford]

Its fun to watch the Packers because they aren't any real rivals to Washington. You can appreciate how good they are....and how Rogers actually seems to be improving still.

[Riggo-toni]

What I like about the Packers is that they are a big F U to Snyder - a former beloved Redskin (Mark Murphy) schooling him on how championship teams are really put together.

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I was completely wrong on that . I remembered it happening on the day. Yikes.

No worries - believe me....we'd all like to forget how it really happened.

[Warhead36]

What I like about the Packers is that they are a big F U to Snyder - a former beloved Redskin (Mark Murphy) schooling him on how championship teams are really put together.


Yep. They have a terrific GM that drafts the right players for their system, a coach who runs the system to perfection, and players who buy into it.

The Packers are going to be the dynasty of the 2010s(although the Lions will be a pain in their ass now).

[ACW]

If Rodgers was a Skin, who knows if he'd be as good (let's be honest...being Favre's backup doesn't hurt).

[PokerPacker]

If Rodgers was a Skin, who knows if he'd be as good (let's be honest...being Favre's backup doesn't hurt).

I'm not sure Favre had much to do with it. I remember Favre talking about how he didn't want to "baby-sit" any QBs being groomed. I think Mike McCarthy deserves the credit for fixing Rodgers' mechanics.

[Stophovr6]

I hate the Packers right now.

I mean, you have a HOFer who never misses a game for like 15 years, and then after he leaves you get an even better quarterback? Seriously? Meanwhile the Redskins cycle through countless bottom-feeding scrub QBs in the same time period. **** you Green Bay.

Don't hate the player hate the game. Actually in our case hate OUR player, the Front Office is what got us into this mess, hopefully the new one will get us out.

[terpskins10]

I'm not sure Favre had much to do with it. I remember Favre talking about how he didn't want to "baby-sit" any QBs being groomed. I think Mike McCarthy deserves the credit for fixing Rodgers' mechanics.

Do me a favor and look up Favre backups who have gone on to be successful later in their careers. There's a lot of guys.

Just being able to play behind Favre and watch how he approaches the game, regardless of whether he is actively teaching, is going to be good for a young QB.

[ACW]

Do me a favor and look up Favre backups who have gone on to be successful later in their careers. There's a lot of guys.

Just being able to play behind Favre and watch how he approaches the game, regardless of whether he is actively teaching, is going to be good for a young QB.:yes: Definitely didn't hurt,

[Vilandil Tasardur]

Yeah I remember Favre saying it wasn't his job to tutor Rogers, but he wasn't being a dick about it. His point was more that he felt like he still had a lot of game left and his goal was to win championships, not to prepare the franchise for his departure. That 08 season especially showed that he could still go places with that team.

[Oldskool]

What benefited Rodgers, besides being the best QB in that draft, was the fact that he had time to sit behind Favre for a few years and got to learn the offense backwards and forwards.

This is something that the rookie 1st round QB that we will draft next year will not have a chance to do. Rex/Beck will probably have 6-8 games next year before they lose their job to the rookie.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

What benefited Rodgers, besides being the best QB in that draft, was the fact that he had time to sit behind Favre for a few years and got to learn the offense backwards and forwards.

This is something that the rookie 1st round QB that we will draft next year will not have a chance to do. Rex/Beck will probably have 6-8 games next year before they lose their job to the rookie.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the rookie is starting from day one.

[Oldskool]

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the rookie is starting from day one.

Shanny didn't start Cutler right off the bat. But then again Plummer was actually playing much better than Rex is playing right now.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Shanny didn't start Cutler right off the bat. But then again Plummer was actually playing much better than Rex is playing right now.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. :(

[PokerPacker]

Yeah I remember Favre saying it wasn't his job to tutor Rogers, but he wasn't being a dick about it. His point was more that he felt like he still had a lot of game left and his goal was to win championships, not to prepare the franchise for his departure. That 08 season especially showed that he could still go places with that team.

I actually did a little reading up on the history of that since I was a little fuzzy on the whole thing. Apparently near the end of Favre's tenure in GB he started to embrace the role of mentor a little bit more and started to give Rodgers some attention.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Aaron Rodgers is the best complete QB I've ever seen by a wide margin and he certainly gives Tom Brady and Peyton Manning a run for their money as pure passers. Hell, even if you put him against Peyton in his prime it's tough.


it was a charity loss. You guys just looked so sad over there, so we figured we'd give you something to hang your hat on. We figured since we were gonna win the Super Bowl, we could afford to drop our regular-season record by a game to help out the less fortunate.

:)

Wouldn't you say that giving Jeremy Jarmon the opportunity to hang his hat on Aaron Rodgers was excessively generous?


Shanny didn't start Cutler right off the bat. But then again Plummer was actually playing much better than Rex is playing right now.

Actually, he wasn't. Plummer was coming off of a great season the year before but the man skipped town for offseason activities and had thrown 11 TDs to 13 INTs with a 55% completion rate when he got benched. Cutler never saw anything worth learning from out of Plummer.

[Warhead36]

Do me a favor and look up Favre backups who have gone on to be successful later in their careers. There's a lot of guys.

Just being able to play behind Favre and watch how he approaches the game, regardless of whether he is actively teaching, is going to be good for a young QB.

I think that had more to do with their coaches than Favre.

Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, and now Mike McCarthy are all terrific QB coaches.

Hell I remember Matt Flynn coming in last year and playing real well against the Patriots in New England, almost winning.

[SkinsFTW]

Exactly. It's like Jeff Garcia winning every game he started in Philly.

Rodgers is awesome but I think it's the system too and I don't think their receivers are all that special either. Rodgers is just that good. It's like Brees in New Orleans, it doesn't matter how many of his receivers are out, he still puts up ridiculous stats.

[Warhead36]

Rodgers definitely benefits from the system. You may even call him a...system QB. ;)

Doesn't mean he isn't great though. Easily a top 3 QB in this league minimum if not the best.

[Hunter_R]

We COULD have had Rodgers. We took Carlos Rogers much earlier in the 1st round..

What also hurts is who was taken right after Rodgers...

[DCSaints_fan]

You could say that about the Cowboys (Staubach, Aikman, Romo) the Giants (Simms, Eli) the Bengals (Esiason, Palmer) the Niners (Montana, Young) or alot of other teams. It just shows how inept our FO has been when we draft Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell in the first rounds and get nothing. It literally makes you want to cry.

The Cowboys suffered through alot of mediocre-to plain horrible QBs for years after Staubach and Aikman left.... remember Danny White, Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, Ryan Leaf, Bledsoe? Same goes for the Giants (Dave Brown, Kerry Collins, etc.)

[21cents]

Do me a favor and look up Favre backups who have gone on to be successful later in their careers. There's a lot of guys.

Just being able to play behind Favre and watch how he approaches the game, regardless of whether he is actively teaching, is going to be good for a young QB.

ummm its called mike holmgren he was the reason those qbs turned out who they are.

[sportjunkie07]

did anyone see rogers pass to jordie nelson? 55 yards in the air, perfect accuracy for a td. wow. that is something you dont see from redskins qbs.

[pjfootballer]

The Cowboys suffered through alot of mediocre-to plain horrible QBs for years after Staubach and Aikman left.... remember Danny White, Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, Ryan Leaf, Bledsoe? Same goes for the Giants (Dave Brown, Kerry Collins, etc.)

Point is, they've been able to find Aikman after Staubach and Romo after Aikman. Washington hasn't had a true franchis QB since Theismann. Williams and Rypein won SBs, but they weren't here long enough to be considered franchise QBs. Rypien spent his first 2 years on IR. Williams was gone a year after winning the SB and Rypien was gone less than 3 years after winning it.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Point is, they've been able to find Aikman after Staubach and Romo after Aikman. Washington hasn't had a true franchis QB since Theismann. Williams and Rypein won SBs, but they weren't here long enough to be considered franchise QBs. Rypien spent his first 2 years on IR. Williams was gone a year after winning the SB and Rypien was gone less than 3 years after winning it.

Coaching instability/lunacy doesn't help, otherwise one of the genuinely good QBs we've had who played their best games after leaving DC might have turned into franchise guys for us (e.g., Trent Green, Brad Johnson).

[TD_washingtonredskins]

You could say that about the Cowboys (Staubach, Aikman, Romo) the Giants (Simms, Eli) the Bengals (Esiason, Palmer) the Niners (Montana, Young) or alot of other teams. It just shows how inept our FO has been when we draft Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell in the first rounds and get nothing. It literally makes you want to cry.

I think it's the exception more than the rule...plus you are using some examples that contain almost 20 years of no QB to speak of (Simms was done in the early 1990s and Eli wasn't there until 2004, same for the Bengals example, and the Cowboys example has two large gaps, etc.).

More often than not, a franchise doesn't have two generational QBs one right after the other. Really, the only example that is similar to what the Packers are experiencing is the 49ers. If the Colts get the first pick and get Luck, they might be in this rare situation too.

[pjfootballer]

I think it's the exception more than the rule...plus you are using some examples that contain almost 20 years of no QB to speak of (Simms was done in the early 1990s and Eli wasn't there until 2004, same for the Bengals example, and the Cowboys example has two large gaps, etc.).

More often than not, a franchise doesn't have two generational QBs one right after the other. Really, the only example that is similar to what the Packers are experiencing is the 49ers. If the Colts get the first pick and get Luck, they might be in this rare situation too.

I agree with you, but the reason I went back that far is because our last "true" franchis" QB was Theismann and he was drafted by the Dolphins. The next one back is Sonny and he was drafted by the Eagles. So if you want to be technical, maybe our last true franchise QB is Baugh.