1/4 into the season. What are out biggest areas of need still?

[Goingforburgundy]

For me I feel these positions of need based on the first quarter of the season are:

QB: Rex Grossman so far is everything we have known about him. A great first game of the season and sub par 3 games following. Still his having his horrible turnovers at the worst possible time in a game.

C: After watching the Jets game last night with Nick Mangold out, their line just looked awful. I never once thought the center was THAT important to the oline. Monty has done an alright job but we are so used to having the inept "captain turnstyle" the past few years we would take anyone over him. A top 3 Center would do wonders for the offense.

WR: We need a playmaker. It is that simple. We dont have a single WR that makes Defenses scared. Hopefully one of the Rookies can make that move in the near future.

DLine: I put the entire D line here because as a whole the Dline doesnt have a Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata type player that controls 2 people and still gets constant pressure. The Dline has played well but not one gets constant double teams. Im wishful that JJ can become that next year.

ILB: Rocky has really stepped up and London is, well, London. Yesterday they showed our blitz by area and both outside areas were in the teens while up the middle had 2. Pressure up the middle is what gets the most turnovers and are the most worrysome to QBs. We really need some one that can blitz up the middle. Rockey and London are simply too small to get by most of the G's and C's in the league. Remember when teams would pressure us up the middle with Rabach? Terrible results.


Hopefully as the season progresses a few of these problems will fade and no new ones show themselves

[Shawn12]

No doubt the top spots go to QB and WR (unless a rookie WR can step up). I'd potentially talk about a DB as well. We really lack a shut down corner. Although Wilson is playing well. I just know we get very vulnerable in 3 and 4 WR sets.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I'd add guard and tackle (to replace Brown, not Trent) if you consistently want to get to the next level. The D-Line I'm more than happy with. Nield and Jenkins are a real bright future there, and Bowen, Carriker and Cofield are are a nice age and decent enough quality to see us through whilst they do progress. And maybe a shut down corner. Not that I'm unhappy at corner. But a real top echelon, game changing one would be nice.

Hail.

[kevinklein]

RT-- Jamaal has been something of a dissapointment.

WR-- Just fantasize about a guy like Justin Blackmon in the B&G. It won't happen I know, but we can dream.

QB-- No explanation needed. Rex is serviceable, and he'll win us some games. But he'll also lose us some games, and that's when the chicken littles come a-firin'.

[Riggo-toni]

I don't really find any fault with our front 7.
The need for a franchise QB is as glaring as ever.
What we need is a Wr or TE that is more of a redzone threat.

[Hitman#21]

I don't really find any fault with our front 7.
The need for a franchise QB is as glaring as ever.
What we need is a Wr or TE that is more of a redzone threat.

Im really hoping Hankerson turns out to be that threat.

[santana_4_prez]

Man, pretty obvious first round we go QB, no matter what. There is some really good options this year.

We somehow need a stud WR playmaker. Not sure how we can get both...

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

we need:

QB
RT
CB
WR

QB is the most important. im not too impressive with jamaal brown, regardless of how healthy or not healthy he is, dude just isnt playing very well. CB we could use some more depth but buchnannon is back this week so we'll see. and WR, we still need a big possession type guy at some point to really help whoever is the QB. but QB is like 90% of the issue.

[ddub52]

QB and WR
The best combo weve had over the last 10 years was Brunnell-Moss. I really hope Hankerson emerges as our #1 threat and we can find someone to get him the ball. A Stafford-Johnson type combo is a dream

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Man, pretty obvious first round we go QB, no matter what. There is some really good options this year.

We somehow need a stud WR playmaker. Not sure how we can get both...


vincent jackson is a FA this year. id bet all my marbles hes our #1 priority. hes 29 which im not a big fan of in terms of age, but if we gave him a decent deal we could get 3 good years out of him. and niles paul could come around as well as hankerson.

but Vjax id assume is our #1 priority. theres some other FAs that are younger (stevie johnson and dwayne bowe) but i have to believe theyll be locked up this year. devin thomas and brandon lloyd are free agents too, so ya never know!

[authentic]

We definitely need a Franchise QB and a Big Stud WR. I'm praying that we can address both in next year's draft.

[skins island connection]

I'm in favor of kidnapping Megatron and having Shanny hypnotize him into believing he's a Redskin. That guy is a beast of beasts...

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Qb, wr, rt, nt

[DM72]

QB. If we had had a QB, we'd be major contenders. Even though we don't have a stud WR, we can win with what we have. Rex is holding this team back from being a legitimate SB contender.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

I'm in favor of kidnapping Megatron and having Shanny hypnotize him into believing he's a Redskin. That guy is a beast of beasts...

Mmmmmm, how great would it be to have a guy like that on our team?

[DM72]

Mmmmmm, how great would it be to have a guy like that on our team?

Still need a QB to get him the ball.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

We somehow need a stud WR playmaker. Not sure how we can get both...

Going forward over the next few years we'll need a couple. Hopefully Hankerson, Paul and Robinson will be around here for a long time contributing, along with Austin. But Moss hasn't got many more top class season's left, and Armstrong and Gafney will be 29 and 31 respectively going into next season.

Hail.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Still need a QB to get him the ball.

Oh yea, but he would make our average QB look better. Look what CJ did for the other QB's when Stafford was hurt. No doubt we need QB more than anything but just sayin it would be nice. haha

[authentic]

Still need a QB to get him the ball.

Yeah i hear you, but with guys like that. How many times have you seen the QB just toss it up in the air and he just catches it when triple covered? THAT is what we need.

[TheGreek1973]

right now I say top flight QB and the rest of the issues I think Allen is good enough to pickup great talent in the later rounds to bring along (look at JJ and Helu for example)

[GWinSkins83]

Franchise QB and a physical cover corner everything else is icing on the cake.

[SwampEm]

90%+ Redskins fans at FedEx Field for the Eagles game would be nice.

[GWinSkins83]

Yeah i hear you, but with guys like that. How many times have you seen the QB just toss it up in the air and he just catches it when triple covered? THAT is what we need.

How many are WRs that can do that in the World? That is something the Cards, Texans, and Lions are just blessed with. Just give me a WR that can out up and come down with passes vs one db

[Taylor4Life]

Still need a QB to get him the ball.

You could take a homeless man off the street, and as long as he's got at least one arm and can chuck it in Megatron's general direction, we'd be good to go. Did you see him beat three Puke defenders yesterday for the ball?

[bigdoublebass]

QB

Big Time WR

NT

[Phat Hog]

we need:

QB
RT
CB
WR

QB is the most important. im not too impressive with jamaal brown, regardless of how healthy or not healthy he is, dude just isnt playing very well. CB we could use some more depth but buchnannon is back this week so we'll see. and WR, we still need a big possession type guy at some point to really help whoever is the QB. but QB is like 90% of the issue.

ditto that..QB and RT at the top for me with WR/CB a close second.

[Goingforburgundy]

You could take a homeless man off the street, and as long as he's got at least one arm and can chuck it in Megatron's general direction, we'd be good to go. Did you see him beat three Puke defenders yesterday for the ball?

Exactly. Haha. You only need it to be thrown on the correct half of the field 30 yards in the air

[1972FAN]

Ther biggest needs:

QB, which we can't do anything about and than a Tall, Great Hands WR. to mask our lacking in a off and on QB. Those are the Stand out needs.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I'm in favor of kidnapping Megatron and having Shanny hypnotize him into believing he's a Redskin. That guy is a beast of beasts...

hes the best WR ive ever seen. ever.

i know thats a huge statement, but its tough to argue against. he literally catches any ball thrown his way, hes unstoppable in the red zone, hes fast, enormous, his hands are like two mattresses covered in stickum, and he can outjump anybody in the NFL.

[Goingforburgundy]

hes the best WR ive ever seen. ever.

i know thats a huge statement, but its tough to argue against. he literally catches any ball thrown his way, hes unstoppable in the red zone, hes fast, enormous, his hands are like two mattresses covered in stickum, and he can outjump anybody in the NFL.

I honestly think he has the best chance to beat Jerry for greatest WR in history.

[DM72]

hes the best WR ive ever seen. ever.

Oh come on. Don't be a prisoner of the moment.

[USS Redskins]

QB QB QB QB QB QB QB QB

WR - a big one

Corner

2 O-lineman - likely the Left Tackle and a guard

The ILB corps is playing great IMO and if the play keeps up the OLB's will be Hawaii bound

[Goingforburgundy]

likely the left tackle


lt?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Oh come on. Don't be a prisoner of the moment.

honestly im not. before him i thought TO and moss were the best id ever seen, im not sure ive ever seen either of them do some of the stuff he does. hes been stuck on a terrible team with no stability at QB, and has still managed to post double digit TDs and 1000 yard seasons. hes got 8 TDs through 4 games, even if he doesnt keep that pace up, 18 TDs is an easy mark for him to hit.

rice is considered the greatest ever, and rightly so. he also had one of the best QBs ever throwing him the ball (actually 2 of the best QBs ever). but ive never seen rice outjump 3 defenders in the endzone and come up with a TD. time will tell, but hes a freakish talent that is panning out big time, and he just turned 26.

[Darth Tater]

Most obvious big one is QB and the next is ILB. Young depth who could start or bring at least replacement value is also a need. Others like WR are questionable. We have not had a franchise QB in years and that seems to be more an important factor in finding, developing and using good WR talent.

---------- Post added October-3rd-2011 at 11:41 AM ----------


I don't really find any fault with our front 7.
The need for a franchise QB is as glaring as ever.
What we need is a Wr or TE that is more of a redzone threat.
Why? We have usually been among the best redzone teams in the NFL over the last 10 years.

[DM72]

honestly im not. before him i thought TO and moss were the best id ever seen, im not sure ive ever seen either of them do some of the stuff he does. hes been stuck on a terrible team with no stability at QB, and has still managed to post double digit TDs and 1000 yard seasons. hes got 8 TDs through 4 games, even if he doesnt keep that pace up, 18 TDs is an easy mark for him to hit.

rice is considered the greatest ever, and rightly so. he also had one of the best QBs ever throwing him the ball (actually 2 of the best QBs ever). but ive never seen rice outjump 3 defenders in the endzone and come up with a TD. time will tell, but hes a freakish talent that is panning out big time, and he just turned 26.

He very good, but Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Dez Bryant can do everything Megatron can do. He's definitely in the discussion on who's the best "current" WR.

[Darth Tater]

I honestly think he has the best chance to beat Jerry for greatest WR in history.
I saw an analysis of Jerry Rice's career, breaking his records seems more about the ability to get many huge years after 30. His post-30 career was phenomenal. Moss was on pace and so were a couple of others but they just fell of the cliff in their 30s.

[smackdown 46]

QB-future
Right guard-depth
Right Tackle-depth and immediate
Shut down corner-immediate
WR- burner with some lateral-immediately if not sooner!
C-depth

[Skinz4Life12]

Future QB, Upgrades and depth at O-Line, Playmaking WR that can take it to the house (Hankerson maybe?)

[JohnLockesGhost]

I prefer to think of them as "opportunities for improvement." It's just more positive.

Clearly, QB could be improved quite a bit with minimal investment. Personally I think Kyle Orton is quite undervalued. :)

Both Offensive Line and Defensive front seven need to be consistently injected with new talent.

[DM72]

Clearly, QB could be improved quite a bit with minimal investment. Personally I think Kyle Orton is quite undervalued. :)


I'm dead serious, we'd be so much more a threat if we had Kyle Orton.

[skins island connection]

He very good, but Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Dez Bryant can do everything Megatron can do. He's definitely in the discussion on who's the best "current" WR.
I would not be greedy, but I'd still prefer Megatron; besides, the way Grossman overthrows it woyuldn't be anything for him...

[Skins Wingman]

i dont think WR is a big need, our guys are fine. just need a better QB. and an OL to give him time = money

[Rabsuz]

QB, obviously.

WR I think is incredibly underrated in our needs department, we don't have a player that will strike fear in DBs, we don't have a guy who can battle for a jumpball, and none that are really playmakers, we are deep with a bunch of average to above average WRs, I say Moss and Armstrong are probably the one 2 good WRs on this roster. A Justin Blackmon or Alshon Jeffery would be really nice, but I think we all know where our first rounder is going this year.

ILB: I'm not as worried as everyone else here, Fletcher is of course, pretty old. We are kinda thin here and I do believe in Rocky right now, I think our LB corp is elite (Orakpo, Kerrigan, Fletcher), but the weak point is the ILB position I grant you.

We are thin in the area of cornerbacks, we have pretty good starting corners in my mind, but I don't think we are truly deep enough.

Imagine if we had Calvin Johnson, the man has 8TDs in 4 games and if you look at those catches, they are jaw dropping, I would kill for someone like that on our team. The man is on pace for 32 TDs on the year and has a pair of TDs in every game this season. We NEED a gamebreaker like that, when's the last time we had a true terror like that?

2012 draft:
1. QB
2. WR
3. ILB
4. CB
5. RT
6. CB
7. D line

I know people are going to disagree and say that WR should be round 3 and ILB be round 2, and I would be also okay with that if it lands us Hightower or Kuechly, if they fell that far that is. I think this team is a lot better than what people think, if you noticed our needs before FA and the draft, and look at our needs now, it's night and day.

[Goingforburgundy]

2012 draft:
1. QB
2. WR
3. ILB
4. CB
5. RT
6. CB
7. D line

I know people are going to disagree and say that WR should be round 3 and ILB be round 2, and I would be also okay with that if it lands us Hightower or Kuechly, if they fell that far that is. I think this team is a lot better than what people think, if you noticed our needs before FA and the draft, and look at our needs now, it's night and day.

I have us doing

1:QB
2:ILB
3:Interior Oline
4: D Line
5:CB
6:SS
7:RT

[hunterx]

Defense:

CB. I think if Hall has a few more episodes like he had after the Cowboys game, he is in danger of being cut if we can get a top CB from the draft. Maybe we draft one and let Hall/Wilson be our starters and nurse the rookie. Dante Barnes seems to be developing into a consistent backup, but nothing starter material.

SS. We need depth behind Landry. I like DeJon Gomes, but we need someone more athletic than Doughty.

ILB. I still believe we need a future ILB to replace Fletcher. Perry might be that guy, but we need to see it first.

Offense:

QB. I don't think we should burn our 1st rounder on a QB. I think these days we are seeing better QB scouting and talent evaluating for 2-3 round picks. Beck takes the reins next year for 2 years with a rookie behind him?

WR. If Hankerson isn't going to turn into the real deal, and a top CB doesn't fall to us in Round 1, there is a LOT of good WR's coming out. Blackmon, Floyd, etc.

OT. Maybe Willie Smith can be a serviceable backup, but we need to get someone good and young to replace Jamaal Brown down the road. If not next year, he needs groomed for 2013.

[Sticksboi05]

honestly im not. before him i thought TO and moss were the best id ever seen, im not sure ive ever seen either of them do some of the stuff he does. hes been stuck on a terrible team with no stability at QB, and has still managed to post double digit TDs and 1000 yard seasons. hes got 8 TDs through 4 games, even if he doesnt keep that pace up, 18 TDs is an easy mark for him to hit.

rice is considered the greatest ever, and rightly so. he also had one of the best QBs ever throwing him the ball (actually 2 of the best QBs ever). but ive never seen rice outjump 3 defenders in the endzone and come up with a TD. time will tell, but hes a freakish talent that is panning out big time, and he just turned 26.

If Jerry Rice played in today's NFL, his numbers would be more comical than they already are. I mean really, corners can't touch receivers anymore. Rice put up 22 TD's in 12 games in the 80s when defenses could actually play defense. Put him in 2011, HAVOC.

[Skins3000]

Anybody thinks Wr is a major need is putting the cart before the horse. Bottom line the Skins need a signal caller that can get the job done. Areas of concern has to be depth at cb and a noise tackle outside of that everything else is on track.

[Goingforburgundy]

If Jerry Rice played in today's NFL, his numbers would be more comical than they already are. I mean really, corners can't touch receivers anymore.

Corners are also 100x more athletic than they were during his prime. Defenses were also man v man for the most part of his career

[Timmy Smith]

I posted this elsewhere but I think the info is good here as well. Nice to know that the Redskins, typically known for trading away future draft picks, actually have 9 picks in the 2012 draft:

1 Redskins
2 Redskins
3 Redskins
4 Redskins
4 Raiders Jason Campbell trade
5 Redskins
6 Redskins
6 Vikings The Redskins traded Donovan McNabb for a 2012 6th round pick and a conditional 6th round pick in 2013
7 Redskins

[Goingforburgundy]

Timmy, We dont have a 5 or 6th in there depending on the THT trade.

[DM72]

Corners are also 100x more athletic than they were during his prime. Defenses were also man v man for the most part of his career

I don't agree with that. Rice played against some of the best corners in the history of the game. If you consider guys like Carlos Rogers a 100x better athlete than Deion or Darrell Green, I just don't know what to say.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Corners are also 100x more athletic than they were during his prime. Defenses were also man v man for the most part of his career



Corners like Darrell Green and Deion Sanders?

[Goingforburgundy]

Darrell Green would still have the speed but there is no way I think he could cover AJ, Megatron, RMoss, or TO. Just too big and physical for 28. Hahaha about deion trying to be physical with anyone of those guys.

[Taylorfan2179]

Still need a QB to get him the ball.
No you don't. I could be the qb and he would still have 1000 recieving yards.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Darrell Green would still have the speed but there is no way I think he could cover AJ, Megatron, RMoss, or TO. Just too big and physical for 28. Hahaha about deion trying to be physical with anyone of those guys.

So, Darrell could cover guys like Cris Carter and Jerry Rice but not Megatron or Randy Moss? Even though he covered Randy Moss when Randy was young and he was old?

[Taylorfan2179]

Corners are also 100x more athletic than they were during his prime. Defenses were also man v man for the most part of his career
It's the training. Jerry went against some phenomenal corners. There are far more upgrades in conditioning in this era. One would only assume that he too would have the benefit of modern training programs, and he would still have his unstoppable work ethic. jerry would still be jerry.

[Sticksboi05]

Corners are also 100x more athletic than they were during his prime. Defenses were also man v man for the most part of his career

Okay, give Rice today's training/nutrition and he's a better athlete than he was 25 years ago. And as for the man to man stuff...Rice was a precision route-runner. Absolute precision. He was always one step ahead of corners. The stuff you see on NFL Network about him in his prime, It's incredible how cerebral he was. He'd gash zone defenses through the seams. Wish I'd gotten to see more him instead of the last couple seasons with Young and the final gasp with Oakland.

How you can compare athletes between generations without giving them the same benefits that today's athletes get is...well, unfair.

[Bobbyst21]

Simple, the entire offense is offensive.. Not calling for Rex's head but he needs to play better or he will play himself out of the starter spot.
We need Armstrong back badly.

[JohnLockesGhost]

Darrell Green would still have the speed but there is no way I think he could cover AJ, Megatron, RMoss, or TO. Just too big and physical for 28. Hahaha about deion trying to be physical with anyone of those guys.

What the hell does this even mean?

I really hate this everything-about-the-game-today-is-bigger-stronger-better bias.

The rules have changed slighty since the 80s, but great athletes are still great athletes.

[Timmy Smith]

Timmy, We dont have a 5 or 6th in there depending on the THT trade.

Ah, thanks. Rats. lol

[Sticksboi05]

What the hell does this even mean?

I really hate this everything-about-the-game-today-is-bigger-stronger-better bias.

The rules have changed slighty since the 80s, but great athletes are still great athletes.

They have changed significantly since the 80s.

[windsofcreation]

What the hell does this even mean?

I really hate this everything-about-the-game-today-is-bigger-stronger-better bias.

The rules have changed slighty since the 80s, but great athletes are still great athletes.

I'd say it's more of a fact-based assessment than a bias.

[rocskins]

Calvin Johnson!! LOL. A playmaker that strikes fear into every teams heart.

[grhqofb5]

More O-line depth, and the team still could use two new starters. Better corner depth.

[Darth Tater]

They have changed significantly since the 80s.

No rule changes in the NFL have ever been as big as the 1978 rule changes, especially the 5 yard rule (also allowing offensive linemen to hold was also huge). The only two other changes had greater impact:

193?: allowed the forward pass anywhere behind the LOS not 5 yards+ behind (led to the creation of the modern way the QB is used).
194?: unlimited substitutions, led to the way ALL the passing game is now implemented and a good part of the way the run game is no set up.

---------- Post added October-3rd-2011 at 01:59 PM ----------


I'd say it's more of a fact-based assessment than a bias.
Actually, a bias and a fact-based assessment are the same.

[Duckus]

Priority #1 - Desperately need a young QB to lead this team and a playmaker WR.

Priority #2 - Depth. We are getting there but we need more depth. We have been amazing fortunate with injuries this year. But an injury to our O-line, defensive backfield, LBs and D-line would be devastating.

Priority #3 - We could use a new RT. Brown has been getting abused IMO.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

More O-line depth, and the team still could use two new starters. Better corner depth.

You half stole my thunder.

The team has pretty good O-line depth. Just 4 of them are currently starting.

Hail.

[Rpredskins]

QB and WR... thats really it in terms of starters. We aren't really deep but its great to see that RB, TE, OL, DL, and LB all turned out better than expected.

[skins island connection]

hes the best WR ive ever seen. ever.

i know thats a huge statement, but its tough to argue against. he literally catches any ball thrown his way, hes unstoppable in the red zone, hes fast, enormous, his hands are like two mattresses covered in stickum, and he can outjump anybody in the NFL.

IMO, the Lions would be dumb enough to fall for a trade to get him! Without being cricified on ES, throw Hightower and possibly Cooley or a draft pick and see if the little fishie wants to nibble...
* for those unknowing of my brain farts, don't take it too seriously, at least all the time, or maybe some of the time...

[Warhead36]

QB, CB, and RT are our biggest needs. None can really be addressed until the offseason though.

[thesubmittedone]

Explosive playmaker. Explosive playmaker. Explosive playmaker. Oh, and an explosive playmaker.

Rex is fine. I'm not down on him at all like so many are. He's missing Armstrong right now, and it's obvious he really likes him and his speed. Everytime he mentions the WR corps he starts with Anthony.

We need to find explosion on offense and it's got to come from either Armstrong, Helu, Banks or Austin. That's our biggest need right now. Otherwise, we're a better team with more depth than most teams in the NFL and I honestly believe we could hang with anyone.

This thread was about "biggest area of need", so I answered accordingly. I don't think we really "need" anything else. Could we improve our Oline a bit? Sure, like every other team in the league with a solid Oline. Could we improve our QB situation? Absolutely. Our CBs? Yup. But are they the "biggest area of need" type? Absolutely not.

It's clear we need an explosive playmaker on offense that opposing defense's fear. We need an Adrian Peterson. We need a Calvin Johnson. We need that one guy. Maybe he's on our team and Helu will develop into that... or maybe it's getting Armstrong back. Maybe it's inserting Banks more often on the offense. I don't know... but that's our biggest need right now and if we have that guy, we'll be very difficult to beat by any team in the NFL.

[bird_1972]

I'm not a buyer of this OL yet and still think we need interior OL added through the draft.

I think QB is obvious, although I worry that our strong performance will price us out of the market unless we are willing to sacrifice several other draft picks to move up.

WR - I'm willing to wait and see what our youngsters have. We can't keep drafting WR year in and year out - gotta spend top picks on other positions as well (that said, if a total stud falls to us, you have to think about it).

NT/ILB - both obvious needs and hopefully can be picked up in the mid-rounds

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Rex is fine. I'm not down on him at all like so many are.

Not that I'm advocating a change at QB (Beck is FAR from ready for the regular season); but how can you be 'fine' with someone that's turned the ball over 15 times in 8 games here?

Hail.

[Swift]

hes the best WR ive ever seen. ever.

i know thats a huge statement, but its tough to argue against. he literally catches any ball thrown his way, hes unstoppable in the red zone, hes fast, enormous, his hands are like two mattresses covered in stickum, and he can outjump anybody in the NFL.

I'm not sure about best ever, but he definitely reminds me of a young Randy Moss in how tall and fast he is. Absolutely lethal in the endzone.

[bedlamVR]

What this team needs more than anything is time ... sure we could use upgrades, no team can look at their roster and think - meh we are fine - we need players to feed in and buy into the system rather than stars to sprinkle on top - been there done that bought the t-shirt -

Rex on Sunday was bad - he looked out of shape I am not to bothered about the int that skipped through the hands of Moss or really the second int but the dumb throws he got away with . So yes I would like to see him either improve or I want to see him upgraded and I don't think if he gets replaced anyone will be surprised .

The lack of WR production is linked directly to the QB and vise versa . I think chasing the big star - the big threat - especially some one like Vincent Jackson will be a waste and more probably destructive . I personally would like to see a 3 WR group all of which bring something different than one guy to hitch the wagon too .

RB - again i am a fan of the three headed monster approach - each RB in hightower/helu/torrain run slightly differently but not totally different if one has a bad day the others might not ... each knows they are replaceable and each run angry .... I simply do not think we can or should try and nurture a feature back like AP

OL - The OP says seeing the Jets without Mangold tells him the importance of the C - weeeeelll I am not sure it is Mangold is that much of a super stud but the line is without its middle . Sticking a new guy in there is the problem, regardless of who the guy is - the OL works best as a unit and interchanging parts of the line during the season usually has negative effects ... I can see us needing to look at Browns replacement - he is the oldest link on the line but I think the line is okay going into 2012

DL /LB- I am not sure we need a big fat NT like the Ravens use ....our 3-4 is not the same scheme we see in purple . I like our front 7 ....London will need to be replaced at some point - it is inevitable but Fox/Riley might be the answer .. OLB competition behind Kerrigan and Orakpo is going to happen too . that said not a major issue ....

SS/FS - SS I saw someone say - you want to get rid of Landry ? Really ? - If not Landry then Doughty - but Reed is a back up and as such makes back up mistakes - but also makes the occasional - wow play too and the rest of the time he is workmanlike ... silent but effective .

CB - Everyone is looking for that pot of gold the shut down corner - Hall gets bad press - he is generally okay in coverage - when he gambles and wins he is a hero - when he loses the play is often a biggy ... that said ge doesnt gamble as much as people think ... Wilson has been a present surprise -

[thesubmittedone]

Not that I'm advocating a change at QB (Beck is FAR from ready for the regular season); but how can you be 'fine' with someone that's turned the ball over 15 times in 8 games here?

Hail.

Easy, because he's moving the ball well and helping us generate a ton of yards through the passing game, all this without an elite playmaker at WR. The last two games he's really missed Armstrong and he's got like 3 INTs this season that weren't on him. Good enough for ya? :)

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Easy, because he's moving the ball well and helping us generate a ton of yards through the passing game, all this without an elite playmaker at WR. The last two games he's really missed Armstrong and he's got like 3 INTs this season that weren't on him. Good enough for ya? :)

Personally, even giving you those 3 INT's, I'm WAY more concerned with a guy who's turned the ball over 12 times in 8 games here, often at key times and in key positions; against the number of yards he's put up; but each to their own.

Hail.

[SkinFaninOKC]

Hankerson is 6' 2" and a bit short to scare any corner in the league, Davis is 6' 4" and having someone taller to line up with him would be difficult to cover in the red zone. A taller WR would be a luxury for Rex. If Hankerson turns into a freak like Larry Fitzgerald then he would scare people. That is our current need IMO.

[thesubmittedone]

Personally, even giving you those 3 INT's, I'm WAY more concerned with a guy who's turned the ball over 12 times in 8 games here, often at key times and in key positions; against the number of yards he's put up; but each to their own.

Hail.

A guy who's turned the ball over 12 times in 8 games here. A guy who's turned the ball over 12 times in 8 games here. A guy who's turned the ball over 12 times in 8 games here. Such an easy, negative, statement to make over and over to prove a point that isn't whole. And to count the Lions game is annoying, to be blunt.

Let me try:
A guy who's thrown for over 250 yards in 5 starts out of 7, over 300 in 3 out of 7, and 2 or more TDs in 4 out of 7 starts. A guy who's thrown for over 250 yards in 5 starts out of 7, over 300 in 3 out of 7, and 2 or more TDs in 4 out of 7 starts. A guy who's thrown for over 250 yards in 5 starts out of 7, over 300 in 3 out of 7, and 2 or more TDs in 4 out of 7 starts.

Maybe I just need to repeat that over and over and over again to make a positive statement that misses the whole point. ;)

So, yeah, I'm fine with Grossman. Could we do better? Of course! So can about 27 other teams without Brees, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers or Brady. But I like Grossman overall, and I think he can improve and grow with this team.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Oh I love when we play games tso.

I'm game for this one, so let's see: 2 or more TD's in 4 out of 7 starts.

You negated to counter balance those 10 TD's there with 8 turnovers in those games, resulting in 4 scores, a blocked FG, and a game ending INT to seal an opposition win. (2010: Cowboys 4TD/ 3 TO (12 PTS) ; Giants 2TD/ 2 TO (3 PTS); 2011: Giants: 2TD/ 1 TO (0 PTS); Cardinals: 2 TD/ 2 TO (6 PTS.). 60 points put on the board. Over a third at 21 taking off through your 4 game multiple TD or more span. 2 wins, 2 loses.

The very definition of mediocre.

See bro. You can miss the point you don't want to make too. I see how this works. ;)

The ironic thing is I said before you started playing I wouldn't change him for the inexperienced Beck. But regardless, your serve .....

Hail.

*Edit* The Lions game may be annoying, but it's a game he took part in, and fumbled away the last chance we had of getting back into it with the game clinching TD for them. So it counts. :D

Oh, and it's 15 TO's in 8 games. But I'ma being kind and giving you your three. See how nice I can be? :pfft:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Check out this weird stat

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg741/scaled.php?tn=0&server=741&filename=ferbb.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640


By the way, I think they mean ten play.

[Blue Collar Skins]

CB - I honestly think we need CB depth. I love what Hall and Wilson have been doing but if they go down I think there is a big drop-off.

ILB - I think we need some depth here to start grooming behind our main man London Fletcher. The man is simply awesome and I don't know how much longer he can play, but I am hoping he will retire here and we get him a SB Ring for his date with Canton.

QB - Of course. Can Mike win with Average to Above-Average Quarterbacks? Absolutely, but imagine this team with a genuine franchise QB.

WR - Yes, I said it. WR. I know people are all excited about Hankerson and Paul, but it takes Wide Receivers at least a couple years to be NFL ready. Yes, I know, I know there are exceptions, but that is what they are, exceptions. Let them learn behind our nice veteran Wide Receivers. Dang, I love me some Santana Moss. Okay, sorry, I got it out of my system.

O-Line - Yes, we need depth. Is the Line doing great this year? I think they are, but we need depth.

[Skins4Life6388]

we desperately need a consistent playmaker on the offensive side of the ball. The running backs seems hit or miss, Davis seems to have been forgotten the last two weeks and we don't seem to be able to stretch the field with any deep passes anymore.

[Larry]

IMO, once you check QB, and maybe WR, off the list, then your question becomes "Which positions do we need depth at?"

To me, if our starters are healthy, and maybe a different QB, and we're a very good team, right now.

OTOH, for example, I think we've seen that if we lose pretty much anybody in the secondary, then we've got a problem. The impression I get is that the same thing's true of the entire interior OL.

In fact, pretty much the only positions where I'm confident where we have good depth, is RB and TE. (Maybe NT, too. But the few snaps Neild has had are too small a sample size to me committing to that opinion.)

[B&GVol24]

CB - I honestly think we need CB depth. I love what Hall and Wilson have been doing but if they go down I think there is a big drop-off.

ILB - I think we need some depth here to start grooming behind our main man London Fletcher. The man is simply awesome and I don't know how much longer he can play, but I am hoping he will retire here and we get him a SB Ring for his date with Canton.

QB - Of course. Can Mike win with Average to Above-Average Quarterbacks? Absolutely, but imagine this team with a genuine franchise QB.

WR - Yes, I said it. WR. I know people are all excited about Hankerson and Paul, but it takes Wide Receivers at least a couple years to be NFL ready. Yes, I know, I know there are exceptions, but that is what they are, exceptions. Let them learn behind our nice veteran Wide Receivers. Dang, I love me some Santana Moss. Okay, sorry, I got it out of my system.

O-Line - Yes, we need depth. Is the Line doing great this year? I think they are, but we need depth.

Took the words out of my mouth, BCS. I'm willing to give Hank and Paul a little time to see if they develop, however, because like you said, historically WR's start to enter their prime around their 3rd year. Here's to hoping Hankerson turns into our playmaker WR (although if a stud WR fell to us in the draft, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a look).

OL depth will need to be addressed in the draft, specifically RT. And if ever there was a year to find your franchise QB, I believe this is it.

[Nicealot]

Can't do everything at once so I think we accept Rex in the short term and try to put some of the other pieces in place first...Stud WR (right now we don't have a true #1), CB (who can challenge to start) and RT (to challenge J. Brown).

[GWinSkins83]

Can't do everything at once so I think we accept Rex in the short term and try to put some of the other pieces in place first...Stud WR (right now we don't have a true #1), CB (who can challenge to start) and RT (to challenge J. Brown).

Exactly so get the QB now so we can start the process of being Superbowl contenders. Keep pushing back selecting a QB is pushing back contending for the Championship. The other pieces can get plucked out of free agency. WR well we could get Dwayne Bowe to be our #1 and he is still young in free agency.