Beating the Eagles is going to test the Redskins greatest weakness. Scoring.

[Destino]

While the Eagles are a deeply flawed team that struggles to play defense and makes many mistakes there is one things they can do. They can score points. They have scored more points than their opponents allow on average in 4 of their 5 games this season. The only time they didn't do that was against Buffalo today where they equaled it.

The Redskins are a team that's enjoyed great success but they've struggle mightily in one category, scoring. The offenses highest scoring effort came in the 22 points put up against the Cardinals. The redskins have mostly scored LESS than the opponents allow on average. The only game in which they scored more was against the giants... and without Kerrigan's TD then that game would also had resulted in scoring less than the Giants have allowed on average. Defenses do score in the NFL however so the bottom line is this:

Eagles: Have never scored less than their opponents allow on average.
Redskins: Have scored more than their opponents allow once in four tries.

I don't think the Eagles will score LESS than the Redskins allow on average (15.8). I think the skins will need to score more than the Eagles normally allow (26.4) to win. The skins are the team that will have to break a trend to win.

I hope the offense is up to it because if the skins win they could be the only team in the NFC East with a winning record.

[skinzwiz]

I think you are 100% right. Phily is one of the most potent offenses in the league. The skins will have to do what the Bills did today-force turnovers no matter how bazaar and be relatively safe with the ball. Oh and put up points like you said of course.

With Grossman....you never know. Honestly, I'm sweatin this next one.

[stevej3658]

If your scared, say your scared.....................I'm scared, the eagles are gonna be hungrey, real hungrey thery're 1 - 4 and they wanna get that turned around soon, real soon. The Skins are gonna have to be on their toes and do everything, I mean everything right next Sunday. They're rested but maaaaaan they better not go out there to cocky.

[Boss_Hogg]

I just hope Kyle Shanahan tweaks his play calling, way too many passes last week.

We need to run th ball down their throats.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

This is a huge game and could very well set the course for the season. Overall record aside, I believe there is a big difference between 2-1 and 1-2 in the division. We need to win as many games as we can while the other divisional rivals are stumbling.

[Bobbyst21]

Your dead on there. Our offensive needs to get it together if we're gonna have any chance against the Eagles or any other team. The offensive offense will let our defense,whos carrying our team right now, down if we cant step it up and find more ways to score. Our offense has struggled for so long no matter the coach or coordinator. Hopefully the Shannys can work it out finally now that we have more than 1 play maker.

[SWFLSkins]

GOOD points, and I am sure that no matter what if the Redskins score more than Eagles they will win.

[Painkiller]

The key to this game will be gashing them with the run, Rex hitting the 3 and 5's with the pass when he must, and scoring TOUCHDOWNS instead of Field Goals when in the red zone.

The Redskins are going to need to have long clock killing drives to win this game, and the Defense is going to have to stop the Eagles from getting the big play. If the Redskins force them to play a game of attrition...we will win. If we have to play a game of big plays...no way.

[clskinsfan]

Have you watched any of the Eagles games? We are going to run the ball down their throats all day long. They cannot stop the run. The only reason They were even in the Buffalo game is because Buffalo stopped running the ball.

[Bobbyst21]

GOOD points, and I am sure that no matter what if the Redskins score more than Eagles they will win.

You just might be on to something there.:D I like that idea.:cheers:

[skinzwiz]

I am sure that no matter what if the Redskins score more than Eagles they will win.Really?! Lol

[skinsince72]

I hope we don't call one passing play inside the red zone. We need to play smash mouth football and do not get away from the run.

[Boston Skins]

You just might be on to something there.:D I like that idea.:cheers:

Kind of a John Madden moment there, huh? :ols:

[darrelgreenie]

The Eagles scare the crap out of me.

We've been winning despite our flaws.

The Eagles flaws are front an center, they've been playing terrible and yet they've been in every game.

The Eagles have 2 weak areas on defense: run defense and LBs
If Kyle can stick to the ground game its the best thing we can do on offense and it attacks their weakness.
If we attack through the air hopefully Davis and Cooley vs their LBs will be match-up we attack.

On defense we need to hit Mike Vick.
We need to hit Mike Vick.
We need to hit Mike Vick.

Then maybe we have a chance.

But, if Kyle focuses on trying to play pitch and catch w/ Grossman and the WRs.......its the wrong answer.

[MrJL]

Have you watched any of the Eagles games? We are going to run the ball down their throats all day long. They cannot stop the run. The only reason They were even in the Buffalo game is because Buffalo stopped running the ball.

Philly closed down the run somewhat late in the game. I hope we do run the ball down their throats, but that's not the kind of game Kyle likes to call. And the Skins will have to slip tackles better than they do a lot of the time.

[XEL]

Run, run, and run again. If we can control the clock and score like that, the game is ours for the taking. If Kyle goes with his usual pass-happy calling...

[Bobbyst21]

Kind of a John Madden moment there, huh? :ols:

Maybe, but still smarter than half of the stuff that came out of Maddens mouth.lol.

[SWFLSkins]

GOOD points, and I am sure that no matter what if the Redskins score more than Eagles they will win.


You just might be on to something there.:D I like that idea.:cheers:


Really?! Lol


Kind of a John Madden moment there, huh? :ols:

Just some great insight into the game there, you always try and score more than the other guy.

[Larry]

While the Eagles are a deeply flawed team that struggles to play defense and makes many mistakes there is one things they can do. They can score points. They have scored more points than their opponents allow on average in 4 of their 5 games this season. The only time they didn't do that was against Buffalo today where they equaled it.

The Redskins are a team that's enjoyed great success but they've struggle mightily in one category, scoring. The offenses highest scoring effort came in the 22 points put up against the Cardinals. The redskins have mostly scored LESS than the opponents allow on average. The only game in which they scored more was against the giants... and without Kerrigan's TD then that game would also had resulted in scoring less than the Giants have allowed on average. Defenses do score in the NFL however so the bottom line is this:

Eagles: Have never scored less than their opponents allow on average.
Redskins: Have scored more than their opponents allow once in four tries.

I don't think the Eagles will score LESS than the Redskins allow on average (15.8). I think the skins will need to score more than the Eagles normally allow (26.4) to win. The skins are the team that will have to break a trend to win.

I hope the offense is up to it because if the skins win they could be the only team in the NFC East with a winning record.

Your logic seems flawed. If I'm following you, your point is:

1). The Eagles, every game this year, have scored more points than their opponents usually give up.

2). So far this year, the Skins have usually given up 15.8.

3). Therefore, the Skins will have to score more than 26.4.

[skinfan2k]

We won't win any of the next 3 games if we don't score more than 27 pts.

[Bobbyst21]

Just some great insight into the game there, you always try and score more than the other guy.

Well thank you for clearing that up for us. I was confused until tonight. Thought it was more like golf.:obvious:;)

[RedBeast]

Run the ball down their throats...force them to stop us. Three backs like we got? 100+ yards for each RB like the guy said in the other thread.



On defense we need to hit Mike Vick.
We need to hit Mike Vick.
We need to hit Mike Vick.

[Hardcore Zornography]

Ah, scoring. Hardcore Zornography's biggest weakness in high school and early college. It is indeed a tough task.

[skinzwiz]

Well thank you for clearing that up for us. I was confused until tonight. Thought it was more like golf.:obvious:;)
:ols::ols::ols:
I'm weak....I'm weak lmbo!

[kleese]

I was going to start a tread titled "Can the Redskins beat the Eagles if the Eagles don't eat themselves?" but this thread more or less hits on my points so I will post my thoughts here:

Bottom line, the Eagles have been bit unlucky thus far... At least offensively.

Now don't get me wrong, they are not as good as many (myself included) thought they would be. The offensive line and defense in general have problems hat aren't just going to go away. Even if they beat us Sunday I won't necessarily think it means they are back on track and ready to roll. They have legitimate issues, period.

But that offense does move the ball at ease. Ridiculous turnovers, missed field goals, etc have kept them from posting huge point totals, but as the OP points out, they are more or beating each defense they play.

The Eagles greatest strength (playmakers and team speed) is our greatest weakness. I think we match up real well with the more physical teams like the Giants, Steelers, etc and not so much against the smaller, faster teams like Philly.

My early gut feeling on this game is not a good one. Since the opener, our QB has been good for two turnovers per game; and honestly, given his career trends, there is little reason to expect this to change. It was ok to let our defense win the Rams game for us, but if we out their backs against the wall versus Philly, I don't think the outcome will be positive.

One week out, so my final prediction could change, but right now, I see the trends correcting themselves a bit and Philly gets a W.

[JerseyGator]

The other three QBs in the division have been good for two turnovers per game too. Look at Manning's career. And Manning had a TD pass today that should have been intercepted by the Seahawks (68 yards). But he still threw two picks and fumbled twice.

[kleese]

The other three QBs in the division have been good for two turnovers per game too. Look at Manning's career. And Manning had a TD pass today that should have been intercepted by the Seahawks (68 yards). But he still threw two picks and fumbled twice.

C'mon man, let's not get into a debate over which of the four teams in the division has the worst/least talented QB.... Those other guys have been turning it over as well, but their career bodies of work are superior.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Skins have scored nearly the lowest amount of points in the league with very few exceptions. I completely agree with you Kleese. They need to put up big numbers if they are going to win. I'm just hoping the team was embarrassed last year and will actually put up a fight in this game.

[SAli457180]

This is the type of game where the 3-headed RB attack needs to utilized early and often. Grossman can't be forced to make too many plays otherwise the Eagles defense will become opportunistic and turn into the Eagles defense of old. They need to get going fast in this game otherwise the Eagles will do the very same thing and it could be an uphill battle all afternoon.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

F the eagles! We have nothing to lose and we should play like it. House Money! House Money! Put the nail in their coffin!

[Warhead36]

All I'll say is that 17 points won't be nearly enough to win.

[ddub52]

Armstrong needs to play so we can stretch the field more and get Davis open

[mossomo]

F the eagles! We have nothing to lose and we should play like it. House Money! House Money! Put the nail in their coffin!

Revenge baby. We need to kill it and joke these fouls. Zorn went 6-2. We need to dominate this game.

[Voice_of_Reason]

Run, run, and run again. If we can control the clock and score like that, the game is ours for the taking. If Kyle goes with his usual pass-happy calling...
By espn stats, the skins have run it 123 times, and passed 143. That's roughly 53% pass and 47% run. Over the 4 games.

Hardly pass happy.

The skins are much more balanced than they get credit for...

[Warhead36]

By espn stats, the skins have run it 123 times, and passed 143. That's roughly 53% pass and 47% run. Over the 4 games.

Hardly pass happy.

The skins are much more balanced than they get credit for...

Yep. Many Skins fans are delusional and think we're still in the 1980s and you can just run the Riggo Drill and 70 Chip it every play. You gotta be able to throw the ball to win in today's NFL folks.

[kevinklein]

Remember in 2009 when Eagles QBs McNabb, Kolb & Vick all wanted to start? Well, they're all starters in 2011, and they're a combined 3-12.

Random, mildly relevant thought.

[asoccerplayer99]

I hope we don't call one passing play inside the red zone. We need to play smash mouth football and do not get away from the run.

As absurd as that sounds under most circumstances, I'm 100% fine with that. No field goals, just run on all 4 downs. Not only would it likely have better results than we've been seeing, the **** dick Eagles would never expect it, and we have the defense to do it. More often than not, they wont be able to drive 80-90 yards on us, and especially not more often than we would get into the end zone with all runs.

[ciresolstice]

Knocking Vick out of the game is the only way I see the Skins winning. Their offense is potent/talented. If they didn't get in their own way they'd be prolific. The best bet is the running game working early and often..soften them up..time of possession domination, keep their O off the field, force turnovers, be more physical... . win an ugly one.

[Destino]

Your logic seems flawed. If I'm following you, your point is:

1). The Eagles, every game this year, have scored more points than their opponents usually give up.

2). So far this year, the Skins have usually given up 15.8.

3). Therefore, the Skins will have to score more than 26.4.
They scored 23 on a 49er team that averages 0.2 points less per game than we do. I think we'll need 28.

[Dirt]

It's just really fortunate the way the rest of the NFCE is screwing up, especially on our bye. While it is an opportunity to jump on the division, we went another step ahead this week while the team sat at home. What I'm saying is, don't be devastated if the skins lose to philly.

As for the game I agree running properly is the way to go. But that doesn't just mean running 'heavily'. You know, we scream our heads off when they run on 3rd and 5 and fail..and scream our heads off if Rex throws incomplete on that down. Fact is, Rex to Gaffney or Moss or 3rd down has been money. For the most part. This 'run run run no matter what' thing is a little nuts lol, it's not like Rex is going to throw an interception so bad in lands in your lap on your couch at home. Let the man pass the ball. I'd rather beat the Eagles by scaring the **** out of them with the run, then scoring all over them with the pass; going run heavy when necessary. The eagles defense is clearly ****ed up right now, so keeping them reeling, keeping the guessing, keeping them stressed...that's the way to go. Telling them all they have to do is stop an all out running game by the Redskins would be too easy.

I expect Vick to break some runs but they won't be on purpose, they'll be him running for his life. I think a quarter of the season is enough to say really, the Redskins pass rush is nothing to **** about. So far, Arizona gashed us with draw plays for awhile, and otherwise, short dumpoffs over the blitz have gashed us. I don't think Vick makes these quick smart decisions with the football, and instead tries to scramble away like superman. He'll make plays on a couple, and he'll have Kerrigan up his ass on a couple. I think he'll get hit as he throws a bunch, and the result is a disrupted offense.

The offense will figure out how much to run blah blah whatever, I think it's most important to beat the **** out of Vick and get him all mad. I want his post game presser to be the maddest thing ever.

[Redskins4ever]

The Redskins have a very, very good defense. A top 10 defense through five weeks of the season. That said, I'm not really that concerned with the Philadelphia Eagles ability to score. Our defense can keep the game close if it comes down to that. The abilities of Orakpo and Kerrigan will flush Michael Vick out of the pocket. He'll be sacked a lot. He might even be sacked by the likes of Barry Cofield and Adam Carriker. I am a little concerned that DeAngelo Hall has given up huge plays in pass coverage so far this season. But I think he'll probably get his first pick against his ole Hookie teammate next Sunday.

[Timmy Smith]

We will be extremely lucky to win this game. Philadelphia is probably the most dangerous team in the NFL right now: they're going to wake up at some point and when they do, it won't be pretty. We were strutting and jawing before last year's Monday night game against the Eagles, and we all know how that ended.

We need a balanced game plan and have got to be successful running between the tackles. To me, that means heavy doses of Torain. Gash their defense with the run, eat up clock, and keep Vick and DeSean off the field. Burn them with play-action, and exploit their LB weakness with involvement from our TEs.

Defensively, we have to get in Vick's face and keep their WRs scared of crossing the middle.

[DavidGQ]

We don't need our Offense to score all the points. We need some points from our D :)

I also think our Bye helps us greatly. We're healing while the Eagles will be limping to Fedex Field.

[terrifNick21]

The Redskins will have 2 RBs over 100 yards rushing this game, and all top 3 RBs will have at least 40 yards. Just a hunch.

[Enter Apotheosis]

We will be extremely lucky to win this game. Philadelphia is probably the most dangerous team in the NFL right now: they're going to wake up at some point and when they do, it won't be pretty. We were strutting and jawing before last year's Monday night game against the Eagles, and we all know how that ended.

There's no denying that the Eagles are dangerous... but I actually don't think they'll ever completely snap out of the funk they've found themselves in. Their defensive play calling, coaching, and personnel is going to hold them back all season long and Vick is not good enough to carry the load by himself, especially when the offensive line is also in a state of disarray.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Yep. Many Skins fans are delusional and think we're still in the 1980s and you can just run the Riggo Drill and 70 Chip it every play. You gotta be able to throw the ball to win in today's NFL folks.

All well and good if you have a competent pro QB you can trust. We don't. Either starting or on the bench. For this team to keep being competitive, next Sunday and beyond; the ball needs to kept out of Rex's hands as much as possible. And when it is in his hands, it needs to be simple plays. This D can't be expected to carry a team that struggles to put up points like this one.

Sadly, the OC has an aversion to running the ball. He started off the year a lot more balanced, but the last two weeks he's slowly slipping back to the Kyle of old where 'running' is a dirty word. And when you ask Rex to throw the rock and put it on his shoulders, BAD things happen.

Hail.

[skinzplay]

The Eagles have major problems that will take some time to correct. For one, even though they've acquired some extremely talented players, they are not using those players in the ways that would maximize their skill sets. I think that Reid is done after this season, regardless of how everything pans out. That team has gone as far as it will ever go with him at the helm; it's time for them to move on. The decision to turn over all of that defensive talent to Juan Castillo remains a head scratcher.

To beat Philly, sure we need to pound the ball. But balance will be key. I wanna see a heavy dose of Davis and Cooley against those linebackers. Philly can gobble up yardage in a hurry, and one missed tackle or poor angle can really come back to burn you against those guys. We've got to be solid all around because, let's face it, they'll be desperate for a win.

Man, Cullen Jenkins must feel like a real idiot right now for leaving the Packers.

[B&GVol24]

The Redskins will have 2 RBs over 100 yards rushing this game, and all top 3 RBs will have at least 40 yards. Just a hunch.

Hope so, and I'd love to see it. Which 2 if you were guessing?

Better yet, if you had your pick, seeing what we've seen so far from the Eagles D, who would you prefer to receive the majority of the carries and in what order?

A) Hightower
B) Torain
C) Helu

But remember, 33% for each is a boring answer :D

[NoCalMike]

The thing that worries me the most is that although I do find the Eagles to be overrated, I don't find them to be as bad as a 1-4 record would indicate. The melted down against the 49ers, were an injured Vick away from probably beating Atlanta, and almost came back to at least tie Buffalo today.

While they might not meet expectations, I certainly believe one of these weeks they will "get it right" and at least improve enough to start winning some of these close games.

Now, with that said, there are plenty of reasons they are 1-4. I believe it starts with their defense which has been consistently bad every single week so far. That to me is where the plan of attack should begin. Run the ball early and often, keep their offense which has a lot of speed, off the field as much as possible.

I also agree that I don't think the 'Skins can against the Eagles in a 17-13 type game. This could be a week where the 'Skins need to drop a 30 spot to win.

[MdMack21]

The original post is 100% correct in my book. This is something I was telling my friend about today. We will have to score points in order to put this team away. I believe the game plan needs a heavy dose of the Torain Train and Fred Davis should be able to attack their LBs and safeties.

[Pedro]

We've struggled in the RZ all season, but then we've also seen decent, ok, poor and bad Rex. We're due a good Rex....


Ah, scoring. Hardcore Zornography's biggest weakness in high school and early college. It is indeed a tough task.

Well played.


Remember in 2009 when Eagles QBs McNabb, Kolb & Vick all wanted to start? Well, they're all starters in 2011, and they're a combined 3-12.

Random, mildly relevant thought.

Nice catch

[NLC1054]

The problem isn't running the ball. Kyle has been much better about having a more balanced attack than last year.

The problem is running the ball at the right time, and not throwing on every first down. We always throw on first down. Rare is the sight when we actually run the ball on two consecutive plays, and God forbid we throw on three straight.

The Bills did exactly what we need to do. Well, that did it at first. Run on first and second down, get yourself at least into a third and managable, then it's easy to checkdown and swing pass to the running backs or have quick, high percentage throws, with a little of the screen game thrown in to keep them from blitzing.

The problem for the Bills came when the Eagles started getting some momentum, and even an veteran OC like Chan Gailey put it in the air three straight times, they got a three and out, Philly gets points, and the game is closer than it has any business being.

It's not about just running the ball. It's about STICKING to the run when it's working, and then not panicking and trying to throw it if they start to come back. I don't think we have to pretend it's the 1980's and we've got the Hogs and we're blowing guys off the balls. We just have to know what we are, and Kyle has to understand what Rex is. We've got three backs who can all run the ball in different ways. The backs should a huge part of our gameplan.

Unfortunately, I'm thinking our first play from scrimmage is going to be a five step drop and pass.

[william1970]

NLC is smack on!

I watched the Philly @ Buffalo game, here in England last night.... and they found the formula to beat Philly. The only time Philly looked real dangerous, was when Vick escaped that pocket.

1. We must keep Vick in that pocket. Kerrigan and Orakpo have this talent. KEEP HIM IN THAT DAMNED POCKET AND LET BARRY COFIELD SIT ON HIM!!!
2. We must not leave the centre exposed... always keeping a LB or Safety there, for those plays that Vick forces with his talented running. He escaped through an open-exposed middle field, several times against Buffalo.
3. We must (As BOSS HOGG said earlier on this feed) RAM the ball down their throats with the running game. Until they're sick of it. Fred Jackson smashed the hell out of Philly Sunday afternoon. They had no answer for him.
4. We must convert drives. We are driving well... but I've noticed this year in the NFL that teams are having problems in the Red Zone. We must get 14 points, instead of 6 points from 2 or 3 drives in the Red Zone.
5. We should set a target of 7 points a quarter minimum. This would give us a great chance to win. A half-time lead is a must... to make Vick panic. He does have a tendency to force the game, when losing.
6. Our D is one of the best in the league [I reckon!]. We are going to need them, to shut down Philly - and we need forced turnovers. I hardly ever saw Maclin or Jackson in the Philly game. Buffalo covered them (and Celek) well.
7. Philly are weak against that run! Torrain, Helu and Hightower can make ground here... helping out Rex. I think Torrain is a similar player to Buffalo's Fred Jackson and will fit the bill. [No pun intended!].
8. Buffalo managed the game with plenty of real-fast, short 3 to 5 yard passes on first and second down... and Philly couldn't stop it. This gave their Rookie QB all the confidence he needed to win. We should do the same for Rex.
9. We must chew that clock... every drive... chew, chew, chew it away and come away with scores. The less time Vick has, the less time he has to get going. If we get the ball first, eat 7 minutes off the first Qtr, with a 7 point score.
10. This has the additional benefit of tiring out the Philly D. The Philly D were exhausted, end of the Buffalo game, which exposed them to more punishment.
11. THIS IS A MUST WIN GAME. I think this game could be season-defining in the NFC East. I was chuffed to bits Buffalo did Philly and watched with delight (HEE HEE HEE) as Seattle beat the NY Giants. I didn't think Seattle would do that.
12. I AM NOT SCARED! WE CAN BEAT PHILLY! We just need sensible game-clock and play-management. We don't need 20 or 35+ yards per-play to beat Philly. Buffalo proved that. We just need to eat the clock and convert drives. 8 or 9 drives with 'only' a field goal, could be enough to beat them. After all, those (I can hardly say it...) Cowboys <sigh> beat us, without scoring a TD. Philly will score, even with our great D. As Buffalo showed... get a damned good lead and hold on.

Warm Regards to all in America.

William, England.

[wrecker]

I think this game needs a big helping of 2 and 3 tight end sets.
I can see running a reverse to Moss, Austin or Armstrong with a three tight end set brewing here.

[smackdown 46]

This will be a game of ball control and field position. Our strength is our run game and play action.
Special teams will have to have a huge day, we can not win the 80 yard drive competition against the Eagles,they score too quickly.
Average at least 7 points a quarter and capitalize on their mistakes, they make alot of them.
They will be desperate no doubt,but will run out of gas when scrambling all day to make plays.

[Gurgeh]

We shouldn't forget McCoy in all of this, he's possibly the best RB we've faced this season. They have an abundance of dangerous offensive players so you have to expect with Haslett's gambling defense they'll break off some big plays. Like it or not we're going to have to score at least 3 TDs to win this one, we need the Rex from week 1 back.

[LD0506]

People still underestimate the effect our D has on opposing teams. They are playing extremely well, disrupting offenses and pressuring the QBs. 'Rak n Ryan need to keep contain on Vick and whack his azz, early and often. I'd like to see Landry and Atogwe step it up this game, their play could be critical. This may be another game where the D has to win it by throttling the other team. We won't shut 'em out (that's REALLY being greedy!) but getting off the field on 3rd downs and preventing early success for da Birds could get that "Oh hell no, not again!" goin' in their heads.

Would love to see the O get their **** together though too

[my_friend_goo]

7. Philly are weak against that run! Torrain, Helu and Hightower can make ground here... helping out Rex. I think Torrain is a similar player to Buffalo's Fred Jackson and will fit the bill. [No pun intended!].
8. Buffalo managed the game with plenty of real-fast, short 3 to 5 yard passes on first and second down... and Philly couldn't stop it. This gave their Rookie QB all the confidence he needed to win. We should do the same for Rex.


For about 3 quarters, this worked. But then the Eagles committed to snuffing out the short pass, screen and the run and Buffalo achieved nothing. Fitzpatrick barely threw a pass longer than 10 yards (I'm discounting YAC here). It nearly came back to bite them in the backside. I'm all for setting the tone early on with the run and the short pass, but they must use the deep ball to prevent Philly from doing the same as they did to Buffalo. What worries me a bit is that Grossman isn't too accurate on those longer throws and that's when, despite being beat, Samuels sometimes gets his interceptions.

I'm all for the D hitting Vick and hitting him hard. But they have to make sure they do get to him, otherwise big plays are all but guaranteed in those cover 0 blitzes.

[SwampEm]

Forcing turnovers, and running the ball is going to be the key. If our time of possession is over 35 minutes we will win.

[TheGreek1973]

I look at this game as a measuring stick. This is the game that will tell us if we are contenders or pretenders. it will tell us if we have really turned things around or we are the same old Skins. This is the game that you come out after a bye, in your house, run the ball well, play defense like we have been playing, and stomp on the neck of the team that was suppose to win the division this year sending them to the bottom probably for the year.

I also forgot to add this as a comeback to the OP initial remarks.

The eagles have played mediocre Ds at best so far this year. The best is teh 49s sitting 16th over all.
The Bills have the 30th overall, and Atlanda is 27th, the Giants 23rd. The one team they did beat well we all know the Rams are not exactly a power house in D. My point is they have not faced a top 10 D so far this year. And the Redskins, especially with dirty-30 back, are even better than the D that beat the Giants week 1.

[Bliz]

If your scared, say your scared.....................I'm scared, the eagles are gonna be hungrey, real hungrey thery're 1 - 4 and they wanna get that turned around soon, real soon. The Skins are gonna have to be on their toes and do everything, I mean everything right next Sunday.


Definitely scared of the Eagles quick-strike abilities. We need to turn this into a plodding, dink-and-dunk, low scoring game. But...they were (or should have been) hungry, real hungry, at 1-3. That was a huge game for them yesterday and they still managed to make some of the same mistakes they've been making. A formula has been developed to take advantage of their weaknesses at o-line and LB. Reid will be tinkering this week. We need to be two steps ahead of him, anticipating the adjustments he will make.

[skinfan2k]

There is a huge difference between 4-1 and 3-2. Next week we could gain another game in the division on everyone if we win. There aren't going to be many weeks like that again. We have the eagles, giants play the bills and the cowboys play the patriots. We have to do our job

Imagine the standings looking like this

Skins 4-1
Giants 3-3
Cowboys 2-3
Eagles 1-5

or if we lose
the giants and cowboys can be tied with us at 2 losses

[SWFLSkins]

Well thank you for clearing that up for us. I was confused until tonight. Thought it was more like golf.:obvious:;)

No problem there Bobby always glad to provide the public service so everyone is on board. So many people were confusing the issue that I HAD to step in.

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[scruffylookin]

If the Redskins lose this game, they should just mail it in the rest of the season because it would be a disgrace.

If they can't get up for and stay focused on not only beating, but trouncing the Eagles after what was done to them last year on national television then they have no heart and are going nowhere anyway.

The Eagles are trash, finish them off and be done with them. Couple that victory with likely losses by the Giants and Cowboys, the Redskins will be making Rex Grossman look like a prophet for that preseason pseudo prediction he made.

[illone]

Skins strength feeds right into the Eagles weakness.

Run game.

If Torain gets going this game will resemble the game we played against Philly last year (In philly) plus the Skins have some revenge on their mind from last years big home loss. I know the Eagles are hungry for a win, but they can't stop the run, so I like the Skins chances. Plus, our defense is better than what we trotted on the field last year.

[kleese]

If the Redskins lose this game, they should just mail it in the rest of the season because it would be a disgrace.

If they can't get up for and stay focused on not only beating, but trouncing the Eagles after what was done to them last year on national television then they have no heart and are going nowhere anyway.

The Eagles are trash, finish them off and be done with them. Couple that victory with likely losses by the Giants and Cowboys, the Redskins will be making Rex Grossman look like a prophet for that preseason pseudo prediction he made.

If only it were that simple...the Redskins could be focused, poised, hungry, play a great game and still lose.....we just aren't talented enoough to dictate wins and losses at will. Philly is struggling and many of their problems are legit, but at the same time, there have been some very odd/unlucky things going against them that are bound to correct themselves.

Also, I was wrong about the Seattle game of course, but I would be very surprised if Buffalo goes in and wins in New York this Sunday...don't see the Giants dropping two straight...and Buffalo is the opposite of Philly...many crazy things going their way that are bound to correct.

[T-REX1240]

We won't win any of the next 3 games if we don't score more than 27 pts.

Damn silly me thinking our offense was the main problem on this team. I guess the defense is struggling even more than the offense.

[kleese]

I look at this game as a measuring stick. This is the game that will tell us if we are contenders or pretenders. it will tell us if we have really turned things around or we are the same old Skins. This is the game that you come out after a bye, in your house, run the ball well, play defense like we have been playing, and stomp on the neck of the team that was suppose to win the division this year sending them to the bottom probably for the year.

I also forgot to add this as a comeback to the OP initial remarks.

The eagles have played mediocre Ds at best so far this year. The best is teh 49s sitting 16th over all.
The Bills have the 30th overall, and Atlanda is 27th, the Giants 23rd. The one team they did beat well we all know the Rams are not exactly a power house in D. My point is they have not faced a top 10 D so far this year. And the Redskins, especially with dirty-30 back, are even better than the D that beat the Giants week 1.

Time to let the fear of the "same ole skins" go...pretty clear to me that we are doing things much differently thesedays...I am no longer worried that we will become a trainwreck with no direction.

This game is a measuring stick in a way I guess...but right now, I still view us an 8-8 type team making progress organizational and probably overachieving on the field a bit. I'm thinking Philly beats us this week because they are more talented than we are and some of their problems are bound to start evening out a bit...at least a week here or there. A loss to me won't signal any sort of doom and gloom though, assuming of course we play hard, etc

[LD0506]

This game is a measuring stick in a way I guess...but right now, I still view us an 8-8 type team making progress organizational and probably overachieving on the field a bit. I'm thinking Philly beats us this week because they are more talented than we are and some of their problems are bound to start evening out a bit...at least a week here or there. A loss to me won't signal any sort of doom and gloom though, assuming of course we play hard, etc

And I'd say that is a pretty good assessment. Some people are getting all giddy but making fundamental improvements to all the parts of this team in need of repair is far more important than any game, even one against a reeling divisional foe.

We ARE going to lose games, that's just a given, show me you can play 'em like a contender, stay in them, don't let it run away from you and don't give up. If that happens (and that is still an if) then we can start talking about something more.

[jfriedenthal]

Run the ball, run it some more, and screen pass, then run it some more! Keep their offense off the field, and it won't be a scoring fest. PERIOD.

[Redskindon2]

I look at this game as a measuring stick. This is the game that will tell us if we are contenders or pretenders. it will tell us if we have really turned things around or we are the same old Skins. This is the game that you come out after a bye, in your house, run the ball well, play defense like we have been playing, and stomp on the neck of the team that was suppose to win the division this year sending them to the bottom probably for the year.

I also forgot to add this as a comeback to the OP initial remarks.

The eagles have played mediocre Ds at best so far this year. The best is teh 49s sitting 16th over all.
The Bills have the 30th overall, and Atlanda is 27th, the Giants 23rd. The one team they did beat well we all know the Rams are not exactly a power house in D. My point is they have not faced a top 10 D so far this year. And the Redskins, especially with dirty-30 back, are even better than the D that beat the Giants week 1.

Amen brotha....We need heavy D on this game...I'm not worried as much about the Beagles being desperate as I am about playing a division rival...records never matter here. We need a solid game from Rex this week...run the Torain train and keep the ball out of their hands...contain Vick and don't let Jackson or Maclin kill us....this game is ours for the taking....we can't have another blow out like last year...Our D is much better this year...I was not a believer last year...I'm coming around now....Remember when Shottenheimer went 8-3 with Tony Banks at QB?...Shanny is smart enough to win with Rex....if we lose it won't be the end of the world but it will be a let down...A win will have everyone jumping on the Redskins bandwagon...I'm seeing some of them do it now....I want to see how many analysts pick the Beagles to win NFCE if the lose this sunday...HTTR

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Time to let the fear of the "same ole skins" go...pretty clear to me that we are doing things much differently thesedays...I am no longer worried that we will become a trainwreck with no direction.

This game is a measuring stick in a way I guess...but right now, I still view us an 8-8 type team making progress organizational and probably overachieving on the field a bit. I'm thinking Philly beats us this week because they are more talented than we are and some of their problems are bound to start evening out a bit...at least a week here or there. A loss to me won't signal any sort of doom and gloom though, assuming of course we play hard, etc




And I'd say that is a pretty good assessment. Some people are getting all giddy but making fundamental improvements to all the parts of this team in need of repair is far more important than any game, even one against a reeling divisional foe.

We ARE going to lose games, that's just a given, show me you can play 'em like a contender, stay in them, don't let it run away from you and don't give up. If that happens (and that is still an if) then we can start talking about something more.

I picked us 8-8 also...maybe 9-7 this year....but seriously here....if we win a couple of games we shouldn't this year...and win the games we should...we could be 10-6 this year...or even better....we lost 6 games last year by 4pts or less and that was with a 31st ranked D....this year our D is in the TOP 10......so we could win 6 games by 4 pts or less this year....think about it...it's possible...we're better than we thought at the beginning of the year...Imagine if we keep going in this direction how dominant we'll be in 1 or 2 more years....HTTR

[Painkiller]

Run the ball, run it some more, and screen pass, then run it some more! Keep their offense off the field, and it won't be a scoring fest. PERIOD.

pretty much sums it up. If their offense isn't on the field they can't score. Mistake free efficiency on the part of the Redskins offense, and a defense that does not give up too many big plays is how the Skins win this game.

[BIGPHILLY]

Don't be scared of the Eagles. Just run the ball right at us and then throw to your TE's. You will score 31+ points and win. Thank you.

[NLC1054]

For about 3 quarters, this worked. But then the Eagles committed to snuffing out the short pass, screen and the run and Buffalo achieved nothing. Fitzpatrick barely threw a pass longer than 10 yards (I'm discounting YAC here). It nearly came back to bite them in the backside. I'm all for setting the tone early on with the run and the short pass, but they must use the deep ball to prevent Philly from doing the same as they did to Buffalo. What worries me a bit is that Grossman isn't too accurate on those longer throws and that's when, despite being beat, Samuels sometimes gets his interceptions.

I'm all for the D hitting Vick and hitting him hard. But they have to make sure they do get to him, otherwise big plays are all but guaranteed in those cover 0 blitzes.

The thing about that is, the Bills are really a play action football team. The Eagles pretty much stacked the hell out of the box and dared them to throw, and Gailey just called screens on it, and they got snuffed out.

We love play action, so if Philly stacks the box full of guys, it's completely possible AA or even Gaff or Santana, or one of the tight ends can make the defense pay for it. Even if we don't necessarily complete a deep vertical pass, we can kill them over the middle of the field for big chunks if they crowd the box on a play action pass. Passing over the middle is pretty much Rex's specialty. That gets them playing honest again.

They have to account for the play action boot game otherwise there will be hell to pay.

[SlkyCaramel]

Run the ball, run it some more, and screen pass, then run it some more! Keep their offense off the field, and it won't be a scoring fest. PERIOD.

Pretty much. The Skins have been very good at time of possession, they need to continue that and play Redskins football.

The Skins have to avoid giving up the big play. It always plagues us, but our defensive line is able to get a lot more pressure than we could last year and I think our secondary is better.

[RichmondRedskin88]

run it down their throats and then let Rex air it out to stretch the D.

[Redskindon2]

run it down their throats and then let Rex air it out to stretch the D.

Armstrong being back should help with stretching the field...

[SlkyCaramel]

Armstrong being back should help with stretching the field...

Will he definitely be back?

[ds1001]

getting the run going against a pretty weak philly run d should open up some opportunities for grossman to get some easy passes. if the eagles make us one dimensional then i think they will be able to win pretty handily

[darrell1106]

getting the run going against a pretty weak philly run d should open up some opportunities for grossman to get some easy passes. if the eagles make us one dimensional then i think they will be able to win pretty handily
I think there is a stat in the ESPN.com NFC east blog saying Jackson rushed 59 of his 100+ yards after contact. That's huge. We need to ensure Torrain/Hightower/Helu understand that.

We need to strike 1st, early and often. Everytime we have the ball will require efficiency and mistake free efforts. The OP makes a great pont. Scoring isn't our forte so we will actually need to lean a little more on the offense for this one.

Not very optomistic but still have us winning based on our health and impoved prep time. I don't think we'll underestimate a team that bent us over last year on MNF ala Madden style

[Redskindon2]

Will he definitely be back?

According to ESPN.com when you look at our injury report below is what is says...:)

Washington Redskins Injuries
No injuries

[PerryMason]

According to ESPN.com when you look at our injury report below is what is says...:)

Washington Redskins Injuries
No injuries

That is so awesome that it is borderline hilarious. I mean when has this EVER been our injury report.

[Redskindon2]

That is so awesome that it is borderline hilarious. I mean when has this EVER been our injury report.

I know...I was shocked....not even a probable or questionable...just no injuries...YYYEEEESSSSS!!! HTTR!!! watch out beagles...we're hungry...

[TheShredder]

Knocking Vick out of the game is the only way I see the Skins winning. Their offense is potent/talented. If they didn't get in their own way they'd be prolific. The best bet is the running game working early and often..soften them up..time of possession domination, keep their O off the field, force turnovers, be more physical... . win an ugly one.

I don't see the need to knock Vic out of the game if he's turning the ball over as much as he is. Less than knocking him out of the game, the defense just needs to take the script of the previous winners vs Vick and keep him in the pocket and get pressure. He's an elusive QB that is pretty fast. Since he can't slide he gets injured a lot, so knocking him out is always possible. Not necessary to beat him though. Hell, they're 1-4 and are -10 turnover ratio. The Eagles are extremely vulnerable on running defense and the Skins are a running team. They'll have to bring a safety in to have any hope of stopping the running game in DC. Now, it's the Rex Grossman game of the year...If Rex just takes what he's given, they will steadily move the ball into the redzone. They will win the possession game through the run game and short range passing. It's an execution type game plan that very much favors the Skins as they have played consistent and disciplined 3 of 4 games this year. They'll have a whole weeks rest and a full week of game planning to put together their best shot at going 4-1 to start the year. Let's not forget that the best defense they have played is ranked 13 (49'ers) and the 49'ers only gave up 3 points in the second half in Philly! Don't count our defense out of any game this year. The best offense is a defense and the Eagles haven't faced a defense like the 2011 Redskins (ranked 6th in total defense and tied for 1st in sacks).

[SlkyCaramel]

I am not going to lie, I am very concerned about this game, but coming out of a BYE week Shanahan is 10-5

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Beating the Redskins is going to test the Eagles biggest weakness. Stopping The Run....and Turning The Ball Over....and Stupid Penalties....and Lacking Chemistry...etc.

The Eagles have their own problems. Not scared....at all....I'll be in Section 102 this weekend Loud and Proud!!!!

[DavidGQ]

This is a different team than the last time we played the Eagles. I watched the game on Sunday and that team doesn't look good at all. Too many problems to list for them. Of all the teams that they played already, we have the best RBs so far. I see Torraine starts this game since he is a Bruiser. Wont be surprised to see Fred get another break out game against those weak LBs. This Eagles team is losing confidence.

Also, the Bills have more guys covered the WRs and dared Vick to throw. That's why you saw some big run from Vick. It worked for them with those 4 INT. Our D is better than the Bills IMO.

[Hiro]

This game does make me nervous. The Eagles are desperate, and will pounce on any opportunity we give them to secure a win. We have to be mistake free, and be more physical than they are.

We have the capability and the personnel to do it for sure. The question is if we will do it.

[leaf]

very important game.
beat philly, and the redskins are 4-1 with confidence and a major headwind going into group of winnable games. lose this game, and its the same ole fizzle out redskins that cant stand up to division rivals.

could be the most important game of the season.

[Larry]

This game does make me nervous. The Eagles are desperate, and will pounce on any opportunity we give them to secure a win. We have to be mistake free, and be more physical than they are.

We have the capability and the personnel to do it for sure. The question is if we will do it.

I confess to being nervous.

The Eagles are a desperate, gambling, quick-strike team.

And we all know that the Skins have a tendency to give up big plays. (Dallas?)

Philly is not going to have several, long, clock-eating, drives where they slowly move our defense down the field.

But they very well might have a couple of 50 yard plays.

Oh, and have I mentioned that Vick ran for 90 yards, yesterday?

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Yes, they also have a tendency to lose the football.

But, we also know that the Skins have this tendency to not come up with the ball when that happens.

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I also could see the Eagles trying to do what the Giants did, against us: Stack the box all game long, and force Rex to beat them.

Now, the Giants did shut down our run, and Rex did beat them. It's not guaranteed that the Eagles can do the former, but it's not guaranteed that Rex can do the later again, either.

[smackdown 46]

We have to take a page out of the old Gibb's playbook when we had Randall Cunningham to deal with.
We kept containment without leaving scrambling lanes open. Get 3 and outs and pound the ball. It was almost boring watching the Skins destroy Philly. I just dont know if Shanny Jr. has the discipline to stick with run game.

[RFK Lives]

The Eagles LB Corps is in total disarray. Eagles fans have posted it themselves, when they make a play, it is almost by accident.

Anyway, that certainly sets the table for the Redskins to run, that being stated, they have no doubt watched the film and have seen, as we have, the Redskins are not throwing the ball deep. If the Redskins are not going to go deep, then it certainly allows them to play the run a little more aggresively and bring their safeties closer to help those LB's.

Now, if we can get Rex to put a little fire in his dragon and actually chuck it deep a few times and make them respect that, well, I think the running game goes a whole lot smoother. So, I think this is one of those weeks where you pass first to setup the run.

If Rexy faulters and cannot get it deep, well, I still like our chances with the TE position against their LB's in coverage. Take what they give you underneath and hopefully it is enough to move the chains.

[Timmy Smith]

Run right, run left, run up the middle. Start off with Hightower, and quickly switch over to Torain - Torain plays better when he's coming off the bench and has a chip on his shoulder. Give it to Torain, over and over. Mix in some dump-offs to our TEs and exploit Philly's linebackers. After their D starts creeping up, play-action bombs away to Armstrong.

[GaryGreenMonk]

This is a game that if Kyle over thinks his playcalling, we will lose.

By that, I mean you cant say to yourself.. they are expecting us to run on them, so lets come out tossing the ball like crazy. (like we did in week 4)

We need to come out, they know we are going to run, and run anyway and run it down their throats and wear down their defense and keep Vick off the field and eat up clock.

If we come out on the first series and throw 3 passes in a row, Im going to scream. Even if they work, I will scream. Because we need to eat clock, wear down their defense and run down their throat.

WE WILL NOT WIN A SHOOT OUT WITH THEM...

Kyle... for the love of god..

WE WILL NOT WIN A SHOOT OUT.... RUN THE GD BALL

[Larry]

This is a game that if Kyle over thinks his playcalling, we will lose.

By that, I mean you cant say to yourself.. they are expecting us to run on them, so lets come out tossing the ball like crazy. (like we did in week 4)

We need to come out, they know we are going to run, and run anyway and run it down their throats and wear down their defense and keep Vick off the field and eat up clock.

There's a line I've always liked, from the original series Star Trek.

The Enterprise is in pursuit of a fleeing spacecraft from a race they have not previously encountered. (The Gorn.) Kirk keeps ordering the Enterprise to higher speeds. The fleeing craft matches their speed. The third of fourth time he does this, Scotty speaks up from his position.

"Captain. We don't know anything about their technology. They may be faster than we are."

Kirk: "They'll have to prove it."

I think our approach to running the ball should be the same. "They might be able to stop the run." "They'll have to prove it." (And keep proving it.)

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

This is a game that if Kyle over thinks his playcalling, we will lose.
Exactly. All we need is smash-mouth football. Opening drive, I'm thinking toss to Moss between the tackles.

Then, I-formation, Armstrong at FB, Gaffney behind him, Grossman split wide, Moss under center. First time, Gaffney right up the middle. Second time, Armstrong up the middle. Third time, flea flicker: hand off to Gaffney, toss back to Moss, who throws to Grossman on a fly route.

Add it up, that's 75% rushing plays on opening drive, and just one pass: the TD to Grossman.

It works 9 out of 10 times in Madden, according to Kyle.

[thesubmittedone]

We really, really need Armstrong this game. He's our one true deep threat and every defense has to respect his speed on any given play. If he can't go, I seriously think we need to get Banks involved. I like Austin's speed, but he's not as explosive running routes for some reason. He's more like Moss in that he's very precise and quick on his feet, but he doesn't have that "blow right by you and that safety trying to cover me deep too" speed.

But I do know one thing. And that's if we do lose this game, I'm staying far, far away from ES until maybe, like, Wednesday or something. This place has been extremely annoying and overly negative (especially when it comes to Rex and Kyle) as it is and we're friggin 3-1. Imagine if we lose. Ugh, definitely won't be enjoyable to be a fan on here. Probably would enjoy the Skins on a rival's message board more than this one, lol.

[wildbill1952]

Smash mouth football is best in the 4th quarter when the defensive line is getting tired, But it still has to be a major part of the game getting up to the 4th quarter to make them tired,

The Skins have an adequate offensive line, and definitive proof that you don't need to spend a high draft pick on a running back to have a great running game. They even have some wide receivers who can stretch the field. What they lack in Grossman is a QB whose arm is strong enough to hit the open man when he's more than 25 yards downfield. I hope that these were underthrown because of accuracy issues and not arm strength, but I've seen three wide open receivers who had to stop and come back into the traffic to catch the wounded duck that Grossman threw.

This is the wrong week to test Grossman's arm. Give it to the running game.

[SkinsFTW]

I hope the offense is up to it because if the skins win they could be the only team in the NFC East with a winning record.

This could also be true even if we lose.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

IMO. if we dont score 26-30 points we are going to lose.

[trap]

Score in the red zone and we'll be ok

[Skins Wingman]

everybody is saying that armstrong is our only deep threat, but why dont we ever put banks out wide? technically he is a wr. hes got speed to be a serious deep threat. may not run the best routes but his speed alone should scare defenses into pulling a safety for over the top help. if armstrong cant go, i say we use banks to go deep, at least use him as a decoy for running plays.

[MLSKINS]

There's a line I've always liked, from the original series Star Trek.

The Enterprise is in pursuit of a fleeing spacecraft from a race they have not previously encountered. (The Gorn.) Kirk keeps ordering the Enterprise to higher speeds. The fleeing craft matches their speed. The third of fourth time he does this, Scotty speaks up from his position.

"Captain. We don't know anything about their technology. They may be faster than we are."

Kirk: "They'll have to prove it."

I think our approach to running the ball should be the same. "They might be able to stop the run." "They'll have to prove it." (And keep proving it.)

Man, that quote right there is almost good enough for me to start watching Star Trek...Almost.

[wrecker]

From an article in The Post:


Davis started off the season by leading Washington in catches and receiving yards, but in the last two games hasn’t been much of a factor. Davis said the reduction in activity had more to do with the Redskins’ play selection than it did with how defenses are planning for him.

Kyle......COME ON MAN!

[Saqs]

If we win this game I will say we are on the map. That said, my hopes are not up at all. Please shock and awe me Skins!

[TheGreek1973]

While everyone is the offense has to run, we need deep passes etc, I am thinking this game will be won by our D. I just don't think that OL of the Beagles can protect Vick with Rak and Ryan rushing. We have got to hit Vick hard and often and I believe come 3rd Quarter he will be making all kinds of errors. last year when we got blown out guys we didn't get to him, because we didn't have a pass rush. This time however should be different and for me this is the key.

[Gurgeh]

While everyone is the offense has to run, we need deep passes etc, I am thinking this game will be won by our D. I just don't think that OL of the Beagles can protect Vick with Rak and Ryan rushing. We have got to hit Vick hard and often and I believe come 3rd Quarter he will be making all kinds of errors. last year when we got blown out guys we didn't get to him, because we didn't have a pass rush. This time however should be different and for me this is the key.

The problem with that is Vick is getting battered this year and yet the Eagles are still averaging 25 points per game. Unless Vick gets injured I don't see us keeping their score much below 21, even given that we're probably the best defense they'll have faced so far. The Skins offense really needs to step up for this one..

[HAIL Freezes Ova]

*Sigh* Fact of the matter is, we should not have won that Rams game. If they caught every dropped pass...well... t it woulda been ugly. You guys are talking about "scoring" as if it is a minor detail on the road to victory

THIS IS HUGE!!

We take 0 shots downfield, and allow the DB's to press us hard and zone the middle out. Lets implement Austin's speed and hands like BMore does Torry Smith. We need to only use the pass to exploit the Iggles trying to stuff the box to stop Torrain from...well... doing what Torrain has done since he got here.

That fade route to Moss in the Redzone is getting waaaaaaay old!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

With the Eagles much maligned "wide-9" technique at play here...I wonder if we'll ease up on the stretch plays since running wide seems to run right into the DEs. It seems like the quick hitters are the way to go vs. Philly.

[silent1903]

*Sigh* Fact of the matter is, we should not have won that Rams game. If they caught every dropped pass...well... t it woulda been ugly. You guys are talking about "scoring" as if it is a minor detail on the road to victory


Sorry but that ISN'T a "fact". We dominated the Rams, with or without their drops, and should have had the game put to bed way before the 4th quarter.

[DCranon21]

I'm guessing that Young Kyle knows how weak the Eagles running defense is, and he'll run the ball with who we have. I'm pretty sure dad has told him to pound them with a heavy dose of Torain/Helu/Hightower. :)

[GaryGreenMonk]

You just contradicted yourself

Either we dominated them or we didn't put the game away before the 4th quarter. You can't have it both ways.

And no, we didn't dominate the Rams. They almost came back. If HALF of their drops are caught, they win the game

Now you are trying to have it both ways... you can't just call the What ifs? on the Rams. What if Santana catches that ball and runs for a TD instead of dropping it into Ram hands for an INT? What if we'd used Torain all game? What if we fell on those forced fumbles in the backfield?

[Bigmuss1]

When is the last time the Skins beat the Eagles at home??

[silent1903]

You just contradicted yourself

Either we dominated them or we didn't put the game away before the 4th quarter. You can't have it both ways.

And no, we didn't dominate the Rams. They almost came back. If HALF of their drops are caught, they win the game

Ok for your benefit, I shall rephrase what I said....we dominated the Rams for 3 quarters, and should have put them away before the 4th. Better?
And you want to go on "ifs"? You can have your opinion about their drops, but it sure isn't mine.

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Now you are trying to have it both ways... you can't just call the What ifs? on the Rams. What if Santana catches that ball and runs for a TD instead of dropping it into Ram hands for an INT? What if we'd used Torain all game? What if we fell on those forced fumbles in the backfield?

Thank you. The only "facts" are the ones in the scorebook.

[Hiro]

It seems that our boys know exactly what they're getting into, and are not underestimating the Eagles. Good.


“The last time [the Eagles came] here, they embarrassed us,” cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. “We definitely know the weapons they have, the playmakers they have and the team speed they bring to the table.”

Said Armstrong: “You think about what happened to us last year at home and you know they’re capable of putting up a lot of points. We have to find a way to neutralize them and don’t mess up.”

‘Mess up’ is what the Redskins have done for several years against Philadelphia at FedEx. The Eagles are 8-2 as the visitors in the last decade, the two losses coming when they were reeling in 2005 when Terrell Owens was suspended the day before the game and, in 2008, when the Redskins won a narrow 10-7 game.

This time around, Philadelphia is – or should be – in complete desperation mode and the Redskins are expecting nothing less.

“We know they’re going to be motivated,” linebacker Brian Orakpo said. “They have a bye after our game and we know what type of team they are. We remember the Monday night game from last year and they have some weapons.”

Said Hall: “They’re a dangerous team and a talented team. Anytime you put those two together, it makes for an explosive combination.”

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/news/Embarrassing-loss-eats-at-Redskins?blockID=575708&feedID=6355

This makes me feel better actually. I'm still nervous for the game, but I do feel better knowing that the guys remember last year very well, and are not underestimating the Eagles.

[AKM311]

*Sigh* Fact of the matter is, we should not have won that Rams game. If they caught every dropped pass...well... t it woulda been ugly. You guys are talking about "scoring" as if it is a minor detail on the road to victory

THIS IS HUGE!!

We take 0 shots downfield, and allow the DB's to press us hard and zone the middle out. Lets implement Austin's speed and hands like BMore does Torry Smith. We need to only use the pass to exploit the Iggles trying to stuff the box to stop Torrain from...well... doing what Torrain has done since he got here.

That fade route to Moss in the Redzone is getting waaaaaaay old!

Sorry, but you sound like a very un-educated football fan, let alone Skins fan.

You really don't look at talent and just say what you think sounds good.

Throw the ball deep? You have to have a QB who can get the ball there consistently. Rex is arm cannot do that. However he is good at those 20 yard passes, that you so call hate. Comparing Austin going deep like Smith? Seriously? Flacco's arm to Rex's?

I am not going to even talk about the ifs of the Rams game. That goes two ways.

But I will say this, if Kyle wants to contine to try an put teams away through the air (sometimes I am fine with it), he better beat in Rex's head that he better make sure the play is there. Otherwise, we will go from 3-1 to 3-4 very quickly.

[Califan007]

*Sigh* Fact of the matter is, we should not have won that Rams game. If they caught every dropped pass...well... t it woulda been ugly. You guys are talking about "scoring" as if it is a minor detail on the road to victory
I despise this chain of "logic"..."if" the Rams had caught all those passes--and the Skins still didn't catch all of THEIR dropped and tipped passes...

In these scenarios only the opposing team is allowed to eliminate their mistakes in order for the poster to make their point..."If the Rams played a perfect game and the Redskins weren't allowed to improve one iota" is what you're actually saying lol...

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He sounds very educated to me. Mainly because he's got open eyes and isn't drinking kool aid. We got very, very lucky. Moss missing one catch (which is pretty on par for him) pales in comparison to the amount of drops the Rams had.
Um, the Rams WRs dropping a lot of passes is pretty on par for them...we didn't just catch them on a bad day.

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When is the last time the Skins beat the Eagles at home??

2008, it was 10-3.

[Destino]

*Sigh* Fact of the matter is, we should not have won that Rams game. If they caught every dropped pass...well... t it woulda been ugly.
*SIGH* If the rams had played perfect football they wouldn't be the rams. In fact they would be the greatest team ever to play the game. Mistakes are part of the game and the team that makes less of them often wins.

[Califan007]

*SIGH* If the rams had played perfect football they wouldn't be the rams.
:ols: :applause:


Mistakes are part of the game and the team that makes less of them often wins.
And, the team that overcomes their own mistakes the best also wins. Whether some on here want to believe it or not, the Skins have greatly improved in the ability to overcome their mistakes.

[MrJL]

*SIGH* If the rams had played perfect football they wouldn't be the rams. In fact they would be the greatest team ever to play the game. Mistakes are part of the game and the team that makes less of them often wins.

other teams' fans, even losing ones, say things like "If they'd caught those passes we'd have blown them out."

Why can't Skins fans be like that?

[AKM311]

He sounds very educated to me. Mainly because he's got open eyes and isn't drinking kool aid. We got very, very lucky. Moss missing one catch (which is pretty on par for him) pales in comparison to the amount of drops the Rams had.

The problem is that Kyle thinks that Rex is a good QB. Grossman has done the same thing for 9 YEARS in the NFL. He doesn't protect the football. He slings it up there and tries to make a big play. More often than not, he gets burned. Now he doesn't even have a receiver that can get open, deep down the field. The time for Kyle to "beat in Rex's head that he better make sure the play is there" is long, long gone.

The educated part had nothing to do with the ifs. You chose to ignore my posts about "throwing the ball deep". That is a ridiculous statement to make when we all saw what Grossmans arm is worth on the Fred Davis wide open pass against the Cards.

Also, you think Moss's if is the only if? Really? What if Hightower had told Shanny that he has a bum shoulder? What if Armstrong had played? What if Rex could throw the ball further than 25 yards in the air accurately?

The WRs the Rams have suck. The QB we have is average at best. Everything balances out.

In the end, we won because we finally realized Hightower had a messed up shoulder. We won, because our D was better than there offense. We won, because we are a more dicsplined team.

I am not drinking any kool-aid. I am being real. Could the Rams have won? Sure. Could the Cards have won? Sure. Could we have beaten Dallas? Sure. But all those have what ifs. In the end, the winning team won for a reason. I am not saying we are better than the Rams/Cards or worse than the Cowboys. I think too many games are left to determine who is better. But on those days, we won for a reason.

[Dirt]

Dear Rex,

Please play like this on Sunday:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c97c_2x88iU

I will be singing Eye of the Tiger all the way through as well.

Also, fun fact: Rex led the NFL that year (tied with Peyton Manning) for most games with a passer rating over 100. While this obviously contributes to Rex's reputation as inconsistent (bunch of horrible passer ratings as well), it's funny how the good part of the stat is never brought up, and never taken into account when judging Rex. Folks remember what they want to remember.

[Larry]

There's another factor of the Skins that may well be challenged, too.

Our ability to actually come up with the ball, when opposing players drop or throw it.

Let's face it: If the Skins had managed not to "refuse delivery" of every gift opposing teams have tried to give us, last 10 years, we'd be the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

[DA SKINS!]

Pretty simple here, the Redskins are not at a stage to be able to pull out a come from behind win. On the other hand, it's anyone's guess how they do with a lead.. Giants game vs. Rams game.

[ciresolstice]

Now, it's the Rex Grossman game of the year...If Rex just takes what he's given, they will steadily move the ball into the redzone. They will win the possession game through the run game and short range passing.


I agree the Redskins defense as a unit is very underrated. But to your point..I just don't have faith in Rex..that's the problem. I like this team a lot and how they are improving, it's coming together and I love it...but Rex I'm afraid will be the downfall, I think they've won in spite of him. Love the defense, the young infusion...wish we had another big time receiver opposite Santana. Fred needs to have another career game.

[TheShredder]

I agree the Redskins defense as a unit is very underrated. But to your point..I just don't have faith in Rex..that's the problem. I like this team a lot and how they are improving, it's coming together and I love it...but Rex I'm afraid will be the downfall, I think they've won in spite of him. Love the defense, the young infusion...wish we had another big time receiver opposite Santana. Fred needs to have another career game.

I think this game is primed for a plan to rush and dump off just as it's worked for 4 others this year vs Philly. No reason to expect that the personnel that they have will improve dramatically enough to fix the problem in the middle of the field. They really need more experience and leadership at the LB'er spots. Rex has had some big games bro! I know we all kind of hold our breath when he drops back or gets pressure, but really it's no worse than half the other QB's and no better than the other half. We just hold our breath because we're true fans and have our worries. He's due for a good consistent performance against a weak team vs. what the Skins do best. This is prime for some payback and not a trap!

[zskins]

All I know is that I am finally going to my FIRST Skins game and we better ****ING WIN!!!! :)

[ciresolstice]

I think this game is primed for a plan to rush and dump off just as it's worked for 4 others this year vs Philly. No reason to expect that the personnel that they have will improve dramatically enough to fix the problem in the middle of the field. This is prime for some payback and not a trap!

I hope you are right fellow extemer! Hail. I'd love to see that happen. Hope Cooley finds those soft spots and picks them apart too. You are right..we are invested..and we worry. A win would be huge.

[HAIL Freezes Ova]

*SIGH* If the rams had played perfect football they wouldn't be the rams. In fact they would be the greatest team ever to play the game. Mistakes are part of the game and the team that makes less of them often wins.

Totally missed my point there cupcake... What I was trying to get at was that the Rams' miscues were all their fau7lt. The dropped passes were on the shoulders of crappy DB angles and blown coverages. Our D is tremendously sub par, and the sweeping majority of the plays agains us are void of a burgandy uniform making contact, at least for about 3 seconds.

[Destino]

Totally missed my point there cupcake... What I was trying to get at was that the Rams' miscues were all their fau7lt. The dropped passes were on the shoulders of crappy DB angles and blown coverages. Our D is tremendously sub par, and the sweeping majority of the plays agains us are void of a burgandy uniform making contact, at least for about 3 seconds.

I understood your point, sport... watch a football game from time to time and you'll see that mistakes are part of the game. Teams commit stupid penalties by themselves, fall down, drop passes, miss field goals, etc etc etc. The teams that very rarely do these things tend to be the better teams in the league So like I said, if the Rams never made mistakes they wouldn't be the Rams. The Redskins made a lot of mistakes as well.

[HAIL Freezes Ova]

I understood your point, sport... watch a football game from time to time and you'll see that mistakes are part of the game. Teams commit stupid penalties by themselves, fall down, drop passes, miss field goals, etc etc etc. The teams that very rarely do these things tend to be the better teams in the league So like I said, if the Rams never made mistakes they wouldn't be the Rams. The Redskins made a lot of mistakes as well.

Hey there bunnyfreckles........ your sig is stupid!!