Calm Down Folks; We Are REBUILDING.

[MD2ATLdiehard]

Humor me please.

I don't post too often here, but I do lurk on the boards quite a bit, so allow me to share my thoughts:

--Washington is REBUILDING. We have a young roster that is learning through a baptism of fire. Overall, I have been impressed with their efforts.
--Philly is a veteran laden, Winning football organization that HAD to have this game to save their season. The Skins just didn't match that level of intensity today.
--Further, it is very difficult to beat a quality team facing a Must-Win situation. Arguably, both of our losses have come facing division opponents under such scenarios.
--Washington turned the ball over [U]4 times[U]. Very hard to Win under those circumstances.
--The Offense lost 3 Starters to injury, including the team's most talented blocker. The Skins simply aren't good enough YET to overcome that kind of adversity to Win the game.
--Most Quarterbacks in the league are good for 1 or 2 clunkers out of 16 contests. Rex had one today.
--The Eagles are BY FAR the most talented, effective offense our defense has faced this year. Yes, they took it on the chin a little bit, but still held them to 20 points, giving the O a chance to Win late. Not too bad.
--WASHINGTON IS STILL 3-2 WITH EVERYTHING STILL ON THE TABLE!!! Let's not bury the fellas too fast. I think 9-7 is a reasonable, attainable goal this year (and still progress).

The best part is, these Redskins gain Experience. These experiences in the heat of competition will pay handsome dividends down the road. I'm pissed we lost, but I sure am happy with the direction we're sailing towards. The Skins will be fine.

[Goingforburgundy]

2011 NFL Age Ranks: Non-specialists
Overall Rank Team Defense Rank Offense Rank
1 Detroit Lions 9 1
2 New Orleans Saints 5 2
3 Pittsburgh Steelers 1 13
4 New England Patriots 2 6
5 Washington Redskins 8 4
6 Arizona Cardinals 6 9
7 New York Giants 18 3
8 Miami Dolphins 3 23
9 Philadelphia Eagles 7 14
10 St. Louis Rams 4 26
11 New York Jets 17 7
12 San Diego Chargers 13 11
13 Baltimore Ravens 11 15
14 Minnesota Vikings 15 12
15 Oakland Raiders 10 19
16 Dallas Cowboys 14 21
17 Atlanta Falcons 19 17
18 Denver Broncos 12 25
19 Tennessee Titans 20 18
20 Buffalo Bills 22 16
21 Indianapolis Colts 25 8
22 Cincinnati Bengals 21 22
23 Houston Texans 27 5
24 Kansas City Chiefs 23 20
25 Seattle Seahawks 16 29
26 Jacksonville Jaguars 29 10
27 Chicago Bears 24 24
28 San Francisco 49ers 30 27
29 Cleveland Browns 26 28
30 Carolina Panthers 31 30
31 Green Bay Packers 28 31
32 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 32 32

Were still old as dirt unfortunately

[AsburySkinsFan]

20 years of rebuilding.......this team better be the fricking 8th Wonder of the World when we finish "rebuilding"!

[Bobbyst21]

We are ALWAYS rebuilding lol. Thats our problem. Thanks Danny!

[brad21always]

Very good post.. We win a couple games early and people forget this is year 2 of a 3-4 year rebuild project and we are way ahead of schedule with are young defense. This offseason will be all about getting some young talent of offense. QB, OL, and WR in that order

[Skinzfever2010]

We are ALWAYS rebuilding lol. Thats our problem. Thanks Danny!

Hey now if it wasn't for Vinny Fred Davis wouldn't be here and this season would be worse than it is now.

[CapnRedskins]

Yes folks, we're on year 20 of our 5 year rebuilding plan just give it time and don't be so impatient!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

we will suck until we get a franchise QB. this should be everyones mandated signature.

[Skinzfever2010]

Yes folks, we're on year 20 of our 5 year rebuilding plan just give it time and don't be so impatient!

At least we're not like the Lions when they went through it. We're always slightly below or above average.

[HailGreen28]

Hope we keep rebuilding. Need to bring in a lot of guys next offseason. No high-priced FAs.

[Bobbyst21]

Hey now if it wasn't for Vinny Fred Davis wouldn't be here and this season would be worse than it is now.
After ALL those years you name 1 player? Really? I wasent talking about Vinny though. And Vinny wasent responsible for hiring and firing all the coaches.
Finally made the right move with Shanny and Allen but we are yet again rebuilding after years and years of him running this like a franchise team. He took a step back. Good move.

[DM72]

You mean, "Calm Down Folks, We're STILL Rebuilding."

[NickGiaquinto1]

Rebuilding??? Year two without a qb.

Normally teams rebuilding start to show life in year two.

Teams rebuilding draft a qb to get game experience in year 1 or 2... Not 3...

And they do not hire their idiot kids to run an NFL offense.

Shanny is just old and out if touch

This is justthe stArt if the unraveling... This team is finished for the year

[MD2ATLdiehard]

Precisely brad21! Believe me, I know this loss hurts, but this team is not only learning how to play together, but also how to Win together. Building a quality football organization takes time, and Shanny and Allen know this. Sure it's easy to covet the shiny new things (ie, Detroit & San Fran), but you build your team to Win YOUR division. The fans can count other people's money all day. As long as the Washington brain trust sticks to the plan, we will all rave over the results.

[Bobbyst21]

Yes folks, we're on year 20 of our 5 year rebuilding plan just give it time and don't be so impatient!

They must take their management tips from the same people who build our roads. Everything is 10+ years late.

[CapnRedskins]

At least we're not like the Lions when they went through it. We're always slightly below or above average.

True we've been at the top of the bottom but seem to get at least 5-7 wins a year and never completely bottomed out.

[Monkfan63]

20 years of rebuilding.......this team better be the fricking 8th Wonder of the World when we finish "rebuilding"!

Exactly. And what is really depressing is the QB of the future is not playing on this team. IF we draft a QB, he will need a few years of experience, most likely, until we are ready to roll.

Redskins have perfected two things: Best offseasons and continual rebuilding years.

[skinsfanindallas88]

Rebuilding??? Year two without a qb.

Normally teams rebuilding start to show life in year two.

Teams rebuilding draft a qb to get game experience in year 1 or 2... Not 3...


Yes, let's set the franchise back further by drafting a qb just for the sake of drafting a qb

[AldersonRedskinFan]

We are ALWAYS rebuilding lol. Thats our problem. Thanks Danny!

Snyder finally does what we want and you still blame him? I stopped blaming him when we hired Bruce Allen and MIke Shanahan.

[Bobbyst21]

Snyder finally does what we want and you still blame him? I stopped blaming him when we hired Bruce Allen and MIke Shanahan.
Dude i blame him for the first 18 years of this rebuilding process, not the last 2. Its hard to erase that many mistakes. If you read on i gave him credit for FINALLY stepping back and hiring Allen and Shanny.

You stopped blaming him when he hired Allen and Shanny. Did you develop amnesia too????

[AsburySkinsFan]

Yes, let's set the franchise back further by drafting a qb just for the sake of drafting a qb

Well they already set us back two years by not doing so....sooner or later you have to draft a QB and stop signing everyone else's cast offs.

Seriously now, would Philly have gotten rid of McNabb if they thought he was any good? And why again did we end up with Grossman? Because he is such a good player or because his old team knew he sucked and they wanted to find someone stupid enough to actually sign him....oh that's right...he was cut and unemployed until we came along and picked up a QB that 31 other teams in the league knew wasn't worth signing to their practice squads. Brilliant.

When Philly managed to trade McNabb off they must have been partying hard on the limo ride home.
Reid, "No, no Mr. Snyder, McNabb just isn't a fit for our offense, he's not washed up and over the hill, he's a real gem of a quarterback, I think you'll be great with him."

Then on the way home
Reid; :rotflmao:

[MD2ATLdiehard]

Snyder finally does what we want and you still blame him? I stopped blaming him when we hired Bruce Allen and MIke Shanahan.

BINGO!!! Give this fan a prize! That has been the missing ingredient during all those years in the wilderness. Now The Redskins have a Football Organization. I know the hours after a tough division loss are the wrong time to sing their praises, but we're on track. I know what I'm seeing.

[AldersonRedskinFan]

Dude i blame him for the first 18 years of this rebuilding process, not the last 2. Its hard to erase that many mistakes. If you read on i gave him credit for FINALLY stepping back and hiring Allen and Shanny.

You stopped blaming him when he hired Allen and Shanny. Did you develop amnesia too????

No but I put the past in the past. These last two seasons have nothing to do with Snyder. Your first post looked alot better in 2009.

[Califan007]

Dude i blame him for the first 18 years of this rebuilding process, not the last 2. Its hard to erase that many mistakes. If you read on i gave him credit for FINALLY stepping back and hiring Allen and Shanny.

you blame Snyder for the 6 years of "rebuilding" BEFORE he even became owner? lol :ols:

[AsburySkinsFan]

BINGO!!! Give this fan a prize! That has been the missing ingredient during all those years in the wilderness. Now The Redskins have a Football Organization. I know the hours after a tough division loss are the wrong time to sing their praises, but we're on track. I know what I'm seeing.

That light you're seeing....yeah...don't run toward it.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/ocujer/lighttunnel.jpg

[brad21always]

You dont just draft a qb to draft one.. You draft a guy u believe he is worth of the pick u r picking at. And that hasn't been the case so we build up the other parts of the team so when u do find that qb to draft he is in a good situation were he can succed. If we fell like we need to trade up in this years draft to get r guy then thats what we will do. And he will be in a decent situation with a good young defense

[Dallsux]

The best part is, these Redskins gain Experience. These experiences in the heat of competition will pay handsome dividends down the road. I'm pissed we lost, but I sure am happy with the direction we're sailing towards. The Skins will be fine.

Good post. It seems easy to forget where the holes are when we are winning because the teams we've faced couldn't expose them. But, we ARE moving in the right direction, I completely agree with you.

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you blame Snyder for the 6 years of "rebuilding" BEFORE he even became owner? lol :ols:


Yeah, people are so ready to throw blame at someone, they really don't think about what they are saying. They just want to blame him for everything that is wrong. When in fact, a lot of people forget the mess that Snyder inherited...in 1999. :doh: :ols:

[Bobbyst21]

No but I put the past in the past. These last two seasons have nothing to do with Snyder. Your first post looked alot better in 2009.

The past is why we are still rebuilding after all these years. Thats my point.
After Norv,rebuilding. shotty and spurrier,still rebuilding, after gibbs and zorn, yep,still rebuilding. Enter Shanny and guess what,yep theres that same word,rebuilding.
I give Snyder credit for what he's done recently and the credit is due.

[Dallsux]

Did you develop amnesia too????

Apparently you did since you are blaming him for 8 years of "rebuilding" he had nothing to do with! :ols:

[Bobbyst21]

you blame Snyder for the 6 years of "rebuilding" BEFORE he even became owner? lol :ols:
Yeah why not lol. Didnt notice i typed that. Oh well, good eye.

[skinsarel33t]

Quick question why did we not draft Ryan Mallet in the 3rd round? Was he already off the board? i cant quite remember maybe the skins were gunning for him but thought he would fall?

[Bobbyst21]

Quick question why did we not draft Ryan Mallet in the 3rd round? Was he already off the board? i cant quite remember maybe the skins were gunning for him but thought he would fall?
Couldnt tell you. He was available until i believe the 5th round.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Quick question why did we not draft Ryan Mallet in the 3rd round? Was he already off the board? i cant quite remember maybe the skins were gunning for him but thought he would fall?

Because he is slow in the pocket, can barely move and an overall bad person.

The 2012 draft is MUCH deeper at the QB spot

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

We are 3-2 in what is really the first year of our rebuilding process. Not bad.

We have a lot to address in the offseason though.

[Bobbyst21]

Apparently you did since you are blaming him for 8 years of "rebuilding" he had nothing to do with! :ols:
Apparently you did as well. I blamed him for 6 years prior. Not 8. lol. Hell of a typo lol.

[skinsarel33t]

Because he is slow in the pocket, can barely move and an overall bad person.

Yes he is a bad person that is true but being slow in the pocket shouldent matter too much. Payton is slow in the pocket and so is Brady they are good Qbs. now im not saying ryan mallet is manning or brady because those are 2 future HoF Qbs but it just shows that you dont need to be super mobile to be a quality QB

but yes you make a good point

[GaryGreenMonk]

this is all the same crap i heard at the beginning of Jason Campbell.

we've been rebuilding since I was 13 years old.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I disagree that we are rebuilding however I will say this. Last year we had the WORSE defense in the league (or close to it) and we fixed those issues in the draft. I still think we're a few players away along the D line and CB but we're vastly improved. I think this off season we will resolve our O line and QB situation. I want to see them get Boise States QB. He'd be an excellent fit for the Shannahan system. Very accurate.

The Redskins can't run the ball this year. That's a combination or O line and poor play calling. I think that will get better as the season goes on too.

[Backpack3r]

We are rebuilding, we will get our QB of the future in the 2012 draft.

[hail2skins]

Yep, makes the threads last week about this being a "must win" game and "we should win by more than 10 points" all the more comical in hindsight.

We are building a team; however, please wake me up when this team has competence under center.

[GaryGreenMonk]

We are rebuilding, we will get our QB of the future in the 2012 draft.

lol...

the Redskins have never drafted a good QB... ever.

[smurfs86]

20 years of rebuilding.......this team better be the fricking 8th Wonder of the World when we finish "rebuilding"!

This! I'm with you, we hear the same thing every year. When will we actually start winning? I know Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is getting ridiculous.

[Backpack3r]

lol...

the Redskins have never drafted a good QB... ever.

Then we are due

[AsburySkinsFan]

This! I'm with you, we hear the same thing every year. When will we actually start winning? I know Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is getting ridiculous.

You know what scared me? It was about a year ago when it dawned on me, that yeah the Saints didn't win a Super Bowl for 40 some years, and that could actually happen to us.......*sigh.....

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lol...

the Redskins have never drafted a good QB... ever.

Should this be interpreted as, "thus we never will"?

[Skinz4Life12]

Why is Mallet a bad person?

[GhostofSparta]

you blame Snyder for the 6 years of "rebuilding" BEFORE he even became owner? lol :ols:


Apparently you did since you are blaming him for 8 years of "rebuilding" he had nothing to do with! :ols:

And why the hell not? The team was bascially rebuilt in 1999 when Snyder bought the team. Remember 1999? That's the last time we won the NFC East and were a bad snap on a FG away from the NFCCG, someplace we haven't been since 1991. Snyder comes in and starts playing Fantasy Football with the Redskins and completely destroys the chemistry we had that year. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_redskins#Daniel_Snyder_becomes_owner_.2 81999.E2.80.93present.29):

on January 2, 2000, against the Dolphins. Running back Stephen Davis rushed for a club-record 1,405 yards (1,285 m) and quarterback Brad Johnson completed a club-record 316 passes and threw for more than 4,000 yards (3,700 m) in regular play that season.

2000 he fires Norv 13 games in and we finish 8-8. 2001 he hires and fires Marty. 2002 he hits Spurrier. 2 years later it's Gibbs' return. You see that pattern? Within 5 years of taking over as owner the team went from a championship-caliber team to the laughingstock of the NFL under Spurrier.

So you know what? He's damn right that we've been rebuilding for 20 years because of Snyder. Because Dan came in and started treating his shiny new toy like a childhood dream-team of has-beens and shiny new coaches instead of leaving a winning team alone. Yes, he's "learned" from his mistakes because he's kept his mouth shut for almost a year, but he cost this team a freaking decade because he came in like a kid on Christmas instead of like a grown ****ing man who realizes he doesn't know jack **** about football and hires competent people to run his money-making machines for him. So no, Snyder doesn't get a pass from '92-'98 just because he didn't own the team, because he completely blew up all that had been accomplished in that time to bring us back to respectability.

[Bobbyst21]

Why is Mallet a bad person?
Not sure why most on here dislike him. I was really hoping we'd of drafted him. Especially when he fell around the 4th or 5th.

[BleedBNG]

20 years of rebuilding.......this team better be the fricking 8th Wonder of the World when we finish "rebuilding"!

:rotflmao:

[Goingforburgundy]

Mallet doesnt fit the system. We dependent on the rollout. Mallet has cinderblocks for feet

[Skinz4Life12]

Mallet doesnt fit the system. We dependent on the rollout. Mallet has cinderblocks for feet

That's fine but it doesn't explain why he is a bad person

[Bobbyst21]

Mallet doesnt fit the system. We dependent on the rollout. Mallet has cinderblocks for feet
His feet arent THAT bad lol. I mean any QB can roll out. Plus Mallet has a good arm and accuracy. Seems quite intelligent as far as reading the defense as well.

[Goingforburgundy]

That's fine but it doesn't explain why he is a bad person

Cocaine problems are usually a red flag

[Dallsux]

Apparently you did as well. I blamed him for 6 years prior. Not 8. lol. Hell of a typo lol.

Uhh, actually, the 6 was a typo. We have been rebuilding since 1991, supposedly. He bought the team in 1999. Do the math. ;)

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And why the hell not? The team was bascially rebuilt in 1999 when Snyder bought the team. Remember 1999? That's the last time we won the NFC East and were a bad snap on a FG away from the NFCCG, someplace we haven't been since 1991. Snyder comes in and starts playing Fantasy Football with the Redskins and completely destroys the chemistry we had that year. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_redskins#Daniel_Snyder_becomes_owner_.2 81999.E2.80.93present.29):


2000 he fires Norv 13 games in and we finish 8-8. 2001 he hires and fires Marty. 2002 he hits Spurrier. 2 years later it's Gibbs' return. You see that pattern? Within 5 years of taking over as owner the team went from a championship-caliber team to the laughingstock of the NFL under Spurrier.

So you know what? He's damn right that we've been rebuilding for 20 years because of Snyder.

:ols:

As I recall, we, as a fanbase, were so sick of Norv that a good portion of us were happy to finally see him gone, even if it did happen in Dallas before he even boarded the plane home. So, ya know what? Even though we have had issues since Snyder, we had a lot of issues BEFORE Snyder. Championship team?...that happened largely BECAUSE of Snyder lighting a fire under Norv, who had grown complacent in his position because he knew he could be fired then. Before that, we stayed with Mr. Mediocre for 7 years because he couldn't be fired until someone bought the team. So, to blame Snyder for the years prior to his buying the team is ludicrous.

[Skins4Life6388]

At least for myself it's not so much the fact that we lost, it's how we lost. Rex was obviously horrendous and the fact that we only rushed the ball 14 times against a porous rush defense is inexcusable. I dont understand little Kyle's play calling decisions at all. However, I'll be back next week rootig as hard as I always do

[Skinsfan4life83]

20 years of rebuilding.......this team better be the fricking 8th Wonder of the World when we finish "rebuilding"!

Really? I mean yeah the last 20 years have been tough but this team IS REBUILDING. Has Shanny been here the last 20 years? Did we not just have one of the best drafts in years? Also one of the best free agency periods ever? Take a deep breath a get over your emotions. This team has made huge strides in Shanny's second year. If you can't see that it because you are mad over a loss or just feel like bitching and moaning.

[Win4us]

This past April was a helluva start to reshaping this franchise. I would love to see us use our 1st rounder on a qb (without trading up) then similarly to 2011 trade the majority of picks down to accumulate. Only this time there HAS to be guards and tackles taken in the first few rds. Potential starters if not quality backups are needed on the o-line, immediately after qb.

[Dallsux]

Just watching the highlights & Tom Jackson, Chris Berman, & Trent Dilfer were making some pretty good points about Rex & how he is reverting back to "old Rex". But something they said about how this Division isn't "great" right now & it's wide open for anyone to take control, made me think. We need to remember that we still have a good team & we still are lightyears ahead of where we thought we would be (well, some of us) at this point.

Let's not forget that NYG lost to the Seahawks last week. The Eagles are at least a talented team that is generally well-coached & have a lot of weapons. The Seahawks?

Dallas lost a 24 point lead & even tho it was to a good Detroit Lions, truth is, had they been smart, they would have skated out with a win there.

Aside from our Division, The Ravens lost to the Titans in Week 2. NO ONE saw that coming. The Patriots lost to the Bills in a surprising game thanks to 4 Brady INTs (when does that ever happen?).

We aren't in bad shape. We have issues that aren't a surprise to any of us. And, I figure, if we win just 1 more game, we will have exceeded the expectations of the experts. :)

Looking around the League, I realize that a lot of "good" QBs are making monumental mistakes & costing their teams wins. It happens to even the best of QBs. Please, please, PLEASE don't get me wrong, I am NOT a Grossman apologist & giving him an out. He made bad mistakes today & cost us the game. I'm just making the point that things aren't as bleek as they may seem fresh off a loss to the Eagles.

:D:logo:

[brad21always]

we didnt run the ball more cause when we did run we would get 1-2 yards a carry so the only we were going to move the ball was through the air. Philly had the boxed stacked and made us throw the ball and we didnt capitlize on it. It will be the same all year and untill we get a good qb it will keep happening.. stop blaming kyle he has little talent to work with and not to mention we lost 2 lineman early in the game and couldnt open any holes.. would u have been happy to run 3 strait time and punt every position?

[Catatonic]

Everyone singing Snyder's praises for "finally doing what everyone has been wanting" are going to see the reality of the situation when after three, maybe four, years of this "rebuilding" **** goes on he kicks Shanny to the curb and moves on to the next coach. This team will always be rebuilding until Snyder is no longer the owner.

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we didnt run the ball more cause when we did run we would get 1-2 yards a carry so the only we were going to move the ball was through the air. Philly had the boxed stacked and made us throw the ball and we didnt capitlize on it. It will be the same all year and untill we get a good qb it will keep happening.. stop blaming kyle he has little talent to work with and not to mention we lost 2 lineman early in the game and couldnt open any holes.. would u have been happy to run 3 strait time and punt every position?

Actually, yes I would've been happier. At least we wouldn't have had 4 picks and could have fought a field position battle.

[Rodriggo]

Who says you can't compete while you rebuild.

I don't see a rookie QB starting or a brand new coaching staff, so COMPETE!

[AsburySkinsFan]

Really? I mean yeah the last 20 years have been tough but this team IS REBUILDING. Has Shanny been here the last 20 years? Did we not just have one of the best drafts in years? Also one of the best free agency periods ever? Take a deep breath a get over your emotions. This team has made huge strides in Shanny's second year. If you can't see that it because you are mad over a loss or just feel like bitching and moaning.
You were 8 when this all started, I have heard literally the same thing you've written here for the past 20 years, and every year the person saying or typing it says that we're getting better, and next year will be different, and for a loooooong time I drank the kool aid and praised every move that the front office made...now I'm in "prove it" mode.

[Skinsfan4life83]

we will suck until we get a franchise QB. this should be everyones mandated signature.

^^^This. This is a passing league. Until we have a legitimate franchise qb we will always be mediocre at best.

[Chachie]

Anyone who expected the Redskins to win this week after they barely got by St. Louis two weeks ago was delusional. We're better, but we're not good yet. Like the OP said, we have to be patient.

[jschuck12001]

I don't think we played that bad today. I know Rex sabotaged the game but its hard for me to say the offense wasn't good when Rex kept throwing picks and we couldn't reset the chains. You cant run the ball when your QB throws a pick everytime he takes the field. Rex curled into the fetal position today and proved he cant handle pressure. We gave up more yards on the ground than I wanted but we turned the ball over like 5 times and still had a chance. The Rex pick after we intercepted in the Eagles red zone was a killer.

[Skinsfan4life83]

You were 8 when this all started, I have heard literally the same thing you've written here for the past 20 years, and every year the person saying or typing it says that we're getting better, and next year will be different, and for a loooooong time I drank the kool aid and praised every move that the front office made...now I'm in "prove it" mode.

Who gives a **** how old I was? I have suffered just like every other Redskins fan but unlike you I can see past my emotions to recognize that our perpetual **** up of an owner has finally seen the light. He hired an actual GM and a real Head Coach who told Snyder if he wasn't willing to do this right and rebuild then not to bother hiring him. But go right ahead be jaded and pessimistic by all means. Just blindly dismiss the progress that has been made this year because of one loss to a very talented Eagles team. Enjoy your misery. I personally see this team as just what I thought it was coming into this year. Young and talented defense and a shaky offense that is in need of a legitimate quarterback. A team that has already surpassed many expert predictions in just 6 weeks. But hey you know better being older and more mature. Lol. Get over yourself.

[DM72]

Anyone who expected the Redskins to win this week after they barely got by St. Louis two weeks ago was delusional. We're better, but we're not good yet. Like the OP said, we have to be patient.

No offense, but the "be patient" line is getting old. OK, you say be patient, then tell me who's gonna be the QB next year?

[flexxskins]

we will suck until we get a franchise QB. this should be everyones mandated signature.There's never been a more accurate statement.

So, as soon as I learn how to create a sig, count me in.

[PeterMP]

Put me in the group that says rebuilding starts when you have a QB to rebuild around.

[MD2ATLdiehard]

I don't think we played that bad today. We gave up more yards on the ground than I wanted but we turned the ball over like 5 times and still had a chance. The Rex pick after we intercepted in the Eagles red zone was a killer.

I agree with these points. Look, it's cut and dry people. ALTHOUGH the team is rebuilding, they can still compete every week, give each opponent fits, and be a factor in the division/wildcard race all year. Seriously.

Consider that we have a run-first, bootleg-action-off-the-rush style of offense. It's not constructed to Win shootouts or make double digit 4th quarter comebacks. Not this season. Accept the fact that The Redskins Offense (like several throughout the league) has its limitations.

However, Washington can STILL kick plenty of butts this year. The guys will Win grind-em-out, low-scoring, field position oriented ballgames (but if you've been watching the games closely, you already knew this), and be in all their games this year. We are no one's homecoming cupcake.

In the context of the season, the signal caller, Grossman or Beck will keep Washington competitive playing within this framework.


This is Year 2: We are no longer a laughingstock. THAT'S PROGRESS.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Who gives a **** how old I was? I have suffered just like every other Redskins fan but unlike you I can see past my emotions to recognize that our perpetual **** up of an owner has finally seen the light. He hired an actual GM and a real Head Coach who told Snyder if he wasn't willing to do this right and rebuild then not to bother hiring him. But go right ahead be jaded and pessimistic by all means. Just blindly dismiss the progress that has been made this year because of one loss to a very talented Eagles team. Enjoy your misery. I personally see this team as just what I thought it was coming into this year. Young and talented defense and a shaky offense that is in need of a legitimate quarterback. A team that has already surpassed many expert predictions in just 6 weeks. But hey you know better being older and more mature. Lol. Get over yourself.

Sensitive much about the age thing? ;) BTW, my pessism is not based on ONE loss as you suggest, but nice try. My pessism is based of 20 years of hearing that things are going to be different this year. We all knew there wasn't a franchise QB last year so they did nothing to fix the problem, we all knew there wasn't a franchise QB this year and they did nothing instead they tried to convince us that an unemployed QB was the hope of the franchise.

I'm so sorry that my pessism annoys you, but I have literally heard it ALL before. I don't think it is unreasonable to take a "prove it" mentality when it comes to our team, I've bought the kool aid so often and I'm tired of playing Dan Snyder's Charlie Brown.

[Skins4Life6388]

Sounds like a lot of excuse making in here. Trying really hard not to be down but it's incredibly tough. I feel like it's same **** different day

[GO HAMSKINS]

If Rex starts another down for this team then we are not rebuilding fact. Austin made a nice catch I would love to see him and Beck out there if we are truly rebuilding we have to see what and who we have in this team

[Chachie]

No offense, but the "be patient" line is getting old. OK, you say be patient, then tell me who's gonna be the QB next year?


I truly feel ya, DM. I think I just took this loss a bit easier than most because I have thought all along that we were not as good as our record. We are disciplined, focused, and getting younger. Those are all things we haven't been in over a decade. I'm willing to wait for this squad to ripen. The others were all built to win "now." This one's a slow-cooker.

[Aireskoi]

I don't know, maybe the OP is wrong. Maybe we should all freak out and pound our chests because we are not going to take this ANYMORE.

We have to make somebody pay for this. Now that we are Superbowl contenders, we are not supposed to lose games.

How could they DO this to us.

Now we will NEVER be any good.

Lets just move on to the draft talk and separate ourselves from this losing squad. Rookie QB FTW!! We can still get Luck!

I just can not believe we just lost a game to the team that is supposed to win the division and make a run for the Superbowl.

You call this a rebuild? It's been over a season. I want to win NOW!

There has to be someone to blame.


It's Rex's fault, there he is! Get him!

No wait, big picture, it's all Danny's fault, lets make him pay!

:ols:



It's OK folks, we'll all feel better after some sleep.

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[MD2ATLdiehard]

Asbury, you certainly have every right to be pessimistic: there has been plenty to dislike over the years. I, however, am an optimistic fan, so judge my words accordingly.

My sentiments are based on judging the progression of the football program under Allen & Shanahan. There is no doubt that Washington has improved under the new braintrust. I am a believer, but here's the caveat: if the injury bug bites big as the season unfolds, the bottom line will definitely suffer. The Redskins have precious little depth, and that is still what separates us from the contenders, among all else. We aren't there yet.

Time will tell if we indeed have reason to be hopeful. But for my eye, it is difficult to not see reason to smile.

[jschuck12001]

Sensitive much about the age thing? ;) BTW, my pessism is not based on ONE loss as you suggest, but nice try. My pessism is based of 20 years of hearing that things are going to be different this year. We all knew there wasn't a franchise QB last year so they did nothing to fix the problem, we all knew there wasn't a franchise QB this year and they did nothing instead they tried to convince us that an unemployed QB was the hope of the franchise.

I'm so sorry that my pessism annoys you, but I have literally heard it ALL before. I don't think it is unreasonable to take a "prove it" mentality when it comes to our team, I've bought the kool aid so often and I'm tired of playing Dan Snyder's Charlie Brown.



I'm 37 so I have been through the last 20 years of crap as well but I do see a difference in this team and the way we are building and being emotional about one game doesn't make sense. Saying that we knew we didn't have a QB and we did nothing about it doesn't make sense to me either as its obvious the team didn't like their choices at QB in free agency or the draft based on value, money, or whatever so they bit the bullet and supported the 2 QB 's they have.What do you want then to do say

"Well were stuck with loser Rex and all the coaches thought the QB's in free agency were all journeyman that aren't much of an upgrade so we are sticking with what we have and we will do the best we can and then draft our franchise QB next year".

Come on, you know coaches cant be politically correct because if they did people would just jump down their throat saying they are throwing a season or something to that effect. This team is fine and probably a year away from truly being a good team but being naive as if you didn't know this team wasn't ready to be a champion this year seems a little silly if you have been watching football as long as you have.

[Bobbyst21]

Ok. typos aside, I thanked Snyder for being in this constant rebuild state and all of a sudden im the bad guy? I didnt run this team into the ground. You guys are funny. If the owner hadent run this team like a fantasy team since 99 we most likely wouldnt be rebuilding yet again. I suppose yall think that Zorn was a great idea as well? Oh he had no other choices? And why not? Maybe because of the way he ran this team? No coach wanted anything to do with him. I also gave Snyder credit for finally doin the right things recently. The firing of Vinny and hiring of Allen was the first step. I'm pretty sure Bruce brought Shanny in but Snyder has takin the step back that he needed to. Finally realizing he knows less than my daughter about football he gave operations over to 2 men that do. But it does not change the fact that he is responsible for his past actions and is responsible for us rebuilding this time as well. Its gonna take longer that 2 seasons to correct the mistakes made by the former front office. I know this as do we all.

[windsofcreation]

Rebuilding??? Year two without a qb.

Normally teams rebuilding start to show life in year two.

Teams rebuilding draft a qb to get game experience in year 1 or 2... Not 3...

And they do not hire their idiot kids to run an NFL offense.

Shanny is just old and out if touch

This is justthe stArt if the unraveling... This team is finished for the year

Please tell me a quality QB (other than the #1 picks Newton and Bradford) that was worth acquiring this year OR last year? Name one please.

I'm waiting.

[HogNose]

we will suck until we get a franchise QB. this should be everyones mandated signature.

The problem is that almost everyone will respond by saying .."but we need to fill other needs..." :doh: Where is our Andy Dalton? I want a goddamn franchise young gun.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Sensitive much about the age thing? ;) BTW, my pessism is not based on ONE loss as you suggest, but nice try. My pessism is based of 20 years of hearing that things are going to be different this year. We all knew there wasn't a franchise QB last year so they did nothing to fix the problem, we all knew there wasn't a franchise QB this year and they did nothing instead they tried to convince us that an unemployed QB was the hope of the franchise.

I'm so sorry that my pessism annoys you, but I have literally heard it ALL before. I don't think it is unreasonable to take a "prove it" mentality when it comes to our team, I've bought the kool aid so often and I'm tired of playing Dan Snyder's Charlie Brown.

Actually the age thing bothered me cuz you threw it out there like just cuz I'm younger I don't get it. Trust me I do. I guess being jaded makes you deny the fact that things are actually being done differently for the first time since Danny took over. He has finally put a GM in place and a proven HC dedicated to a true rebuild. A direction this team hasn't been headed in for a long time. I see an excellent draft an excellent off-season period. Also a complete culture change. Now you go on and be a pessimist. I can't really blame you I guess.
Also on the whole franchise qb thing, instead of wasting a pick on a qb last year they stacked our defense, kerrigan was a excellent pick and a huge reason our 3-4 is much improved, all our holes couldn't be fixed with just a qb. Our defense needed it first and thats what they did. But I guess it all in how you see things. Hail to the Redskins.

---------- Post added October-16th-2011 at 10:35 PM ----------

Point of the matter is you have to be blind to not see the progress being made.

[Prototype]

By the time we grab our "franchise QB", it will take another 2 years to develop him, by that time , Fletcher will be retired, majority of our defense will be into their 30's past their prime, and we'll start the "rebuilding" process again. And again. Spring into Summer, Fall into Winter. Seasons come and go, but the Redskins will always be mediocre...

[Hunter_R]

By the time we grab our "franchise QB", it will take another 2 years to develop him, by that time , Fletcher will be retired, majority of our defense will be into their 30's past their prime, and we'll start the "rebuilding" process again. And again. Spring into Summer, Fall into Winter. Seasons come and go, but the Redskins will always be mediocre...

The rebuilding starts after finding him. Not before. This is treading water. Nothing new. Move along.

[GWinSkins83]

By the time we grab our "franchise QB", it will take another 2 years to develop him, by that time , Fletcher will be retired, majority of our defense will be into their 30's past their prime, and we'll start the "rebuilding" process again. And again. Spring into Summer, Fall into Winter. Seasons come and go, but the Redskins will always be mediocre...

I don't agree with this. I think if you get a QB with the tools this offense and the young Qb can flourish in this system. And another thing is our best players on defense are no older than 26 years of age. Landry, Orackpo, Kerrigan, Jenkins, and Nield will be our core players add in a stud ILB and CB and you got a young core of defensive players.

[derskinsfan]

Bitter, knee jerk reactions based on frustration over years of not winning make the fan base no better than Dan Snyder's reputation. The only saving grace is most of us have no power to make things worse.

Loss stinks, team may do worse than hoped, but this team DOES seem to be on a better course. Let Shanahan and Allen keep going. A play for a franchise QB is probably coming this offseason.... Let's use the rest of this season to practice OUR ability as fans to see the positive signs rather than jumping into the ocean of despair over past history. That's rooting like losers folks.

[wilco_holland]

“What’s that? Ah, rebuilding? Don’t talk about – rebuilding? You kidding me? Rebuilding? I just hope we can win a game! Another game.”

I have learned one thing in my life as a Redskins fan and that is that we don't rebuild. And even when we are rebuilding we aren't rebuilding, then we are just expecting a playoffs spot with young talent.

[Renegade7]

Oh, I should've known this thread was coming.

Amazing how one game we go from first place in division hoping Rex doesn't screw up a chance to kill philly's season to back to rebuilding again. We are a beaten up football team, but not a bad one. Despite being down 20-0 at one point in this game, and even with 4 interceptions, we still almost came back and won. Philly didn't score in the second half.

So, enough of the rebuilding crap. Trent will play next week and we'll have to figure out how to run in either direction instead of primarily to the left. I terrified of giving rex another chance, because we can't lose to two 1-win teams in a row and expect to make a playoff run. Our division is weak, and we've proven that we go toe-toe with any of the 3 already.

Too many good teams in the NFC to be talking wildcard. Throw in Beck, limit the ints, and just beat up on people to win as many games as possible. Then, when the season is over, we can talk about rebuilding again and QB prospects.

My apologizes, but this loss was inexcusable the way it happened. So saying we're "rebuilding" to explain this BS in my eyes feels like a cop out...

[kingdaddy]

This thread title is probably accurate, however, when you start out 3-1 it's hard to say we're "rebuilding", especially given the state of the rest of the division and league. Look at the Bengals, they're 4-2 and have a rookie starting at QB. Look at the 49ers, they have just one loss and barely and WR's with a very suspect QB. My point is, the NFL is pretty mediocre across the board except for maybe 2-3 teams. The NFC East is there to be taken and the Skins have enough talent to win it if they can figure out some things on offense over the next couple of weeks.
Here are my suggestions:
1). Let's go with Beck for awhile to see what he can do. We know what we have in Rex and Beck looks to be more mobile. He looked good yesterday.
2). The RB situation is suddenly muddled. We need to define roles for each of these 3 as best we can, assuming they are healthy. Who's our 3rd down back?
3). Austin needs to play more. I like his hands and he has good speed.
4). The Skins need a 3rd down option out of the backfield who the defense has to think about. Don't know if we have that guy on our roster....would it be too crazy to throw Banks in there like the Saints use Sproles on passing downs.
5). If Hankerson is ready, he should be put in some redzone packages just for his height and the option of throwing the jump ball. We need to see what he can do, especially since we picked him so high.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

ARGH, Beck did NOT look good yesterday. He threw ducks. When a QB releases the ball and it comes out wobbling its a result of him being so 'scared' that he can't get a good grip on the ball.

I was playing in a flag football game where my linemen were getting destroyed and after the first 10 blitzes where I caught a snap and just barely got the ball out of my hands before getting 'sacked' it happened to me as well. I couldn't step into a throw and was nervous as hell. This after playing in high school and college. You'd think i'd be able to handle a flag football game and a little pressure but it was brutal. Beck did the same thing yesterday on his throw to Terrance Austin and on another pass.

Maybe you guys missed the first throw to torrain where beck scrambled left and threw back to his right. Torrain was wide open and he missed him badly. Or the pass to Fred Davis over the middle that was in the dirt. It looked like McNabb was back there again throwing at shoe laces. I don't want to pick apart every throw but Beck did not look comfortable out there at all. Rex, unfortunately will be the starter and is actually a little better right now than Beck. I don't know when or if Beck will ever be ready if he was that nervous out there.

[Bang]

No offense, but the "be patient" line is getting old. OK, you say be patient, then tell me who's gonna be the QB next year?

Who cares.

Here's your options.
Caterwaul and cry like a typical know nothing impatient fanboy..
Go jump on someone else's bandwagon
or be patient and allow the team more than 15 months to fix ten years worth of problems.
This isn't Jim Zorn or Steve Spurrier.

What else is there?

~Bang

[PeterMP]

Please tell me a quality QB (other than the #1 picks Newton and Bradford) that was worth acquiring this year OR last year? Name one please.

I'm waiting.
Dalton looks pretty good. Ponder looked pretty good last night.

I've said before, I kind of liked Alex Smith. I'd be curious what you could have gotten him for last year (49ers took a QB in the 2nd round).

And then there are a whole bunch of people we haven't seen play.

(Heck, I'd be curious as to what the 49ers would want right now for the 2nd round they took. Are they thinking about a real shot right now and would give him to you for a reasonable vet that would help right now?)

[Dallsux]

ARGH, Beck did NOT look good yesterday. He threw ducks. When a QB releases the ball and it comes out wobbling its a result of him being so 'scared' that he can't get a good grip on the ball.

He also hadn't taken a snap in practice in...how long? It's not like he had practiced with the 1st squad all week & was prepared to com in in the 4th qtr to play clean-up after a 4 INT performance by Grossman.

[Drockvb]

3-1 makes Redskin fans delusional. Any level headed fan would have predicted an Eagles win on Sunday. We aren't there yet folks.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

He also hadn't taken a snap in practice in...how long? It's not like he had practiced with the 1st squad all week & was prepared to com in in the 4th qtr to play clean-up after a 4 INT performance by Grossman.

I completely agree with you. He may not have been working with the 1st team since pre-season but he still shouldn't have thrown wobbling balls. I can completely understand if the timing isn't there for awhile but not something as basic as just gripping the football and throwing it. He was under a lot of pressure though to just step in and play so maybe that contributed. I hope that if he does in fact get another start this doesn't occur again.

---------- Post added October-17th-2011 at 01:46 PM ----------


3-1 makes Redskin fans delusional. Any level headed fan would have predicted an Eagles win on Sunday. We aren't there yet folks.

I agree. Not only that but we haven't played very well on offense either. The eagles are NOT a bad team. They aren't the Rams. They DO have a lot of talent. Look back at the games they have lost against the Bills and 49ers. Both VERY good teams.

[sportjunkie07]

i dont have a problem with rebuilding. i have a problem with rebuilding when you dont have a qb to rebuild with. even if you do have a successful rebuild, you arent going to do anything without a legit qb.

im impatient i guess, but its been too long since we had a qb who knew what he was doing.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

i dont have a problem with rebuilding. i have a problem with rebuilding when you dont have a qb to rebuild with. even if you do have a successful rebuild, you arent going to do anything without a legit qb.

im impatient i guess, but its been too long since we had a qb who knew what he was doing.
I agree they should get the best QB available in the draft next year and build around his strengths. I previously had been advocating Kellen Moore but after more research it seems that NO scout agrees :) How about Griffin from Baylor?

[Dallsux]

I completely agree with you. He may not have been working with the 1st team since pre-season but he still shouldn't have thrown wobbling balls. I can completely understand if the timing isn't there for awhile but not something as basic as just gripping the football and throwing it. He was under a lot of pressure though to just step in and play so maybe that contributed. I hope that if he does in fact get another start this doesn't occur again.

Yeah, I agree.I hope he gets that chance & I think that once he does, those wobbling passes will fix themselves.

[sportjunkie07]

I agree they should get the best QB available in the draft next year and build around his strengths. I previously had been advocating Kellen Moore but after more research it seems that NO scout agrees :) How about Griffin from Baylor?

if he declares, and im beginning to think he wont. i like tannehill personally, due to his upside and the high possibility that he will be available for us to get.

[Bang]

i dont have a problem with rebuilding. i have a problem with rebuilding when you dont have a qb to rebuild with. even if you do have a successful rebuild, you arent going to do anything without a legit qb.

im impatient i guess, but its been too long since we had a qb who knew what he was doing.

While I want a QB too, to pretend that is the only need this team had is short sighted (not you, but lots)
Lets say we use that first pick on Gabbert... no Kerrigan, none of the trade downs that brought us so many players to fill so many needs..
I don't think it's true that you MUST start at the QB position. rebuilding takes time, especially with a franchise as dysfunctional as this one has been. just looking at the previous five drafts, and the numbers of those guys who are already gone from here or out of the league.
That said, I guarantee you we have any and all scouts out looking at QBs.

In the four drafts before the Shanallen era began we made 33 draft picks.
21 of them are out of the NFL. Gone in less than five years.
Of the 12 remaining, a quarter of them play elsewhere.
(Just look at the 08 draft. what a disaster. 10 picks. 7 are out of the league. 1 is a backup in NY. 2 are still on the team, and that was just 3 years ago.
An 80% failure rate. I don't know that anyone has drafted worse than we have in this time span. FTR, I use this time span because four years after any given draft, you should be seeing contributions. We drafted 65% guys who are not good enough to survive 4 years in the NFL.)

That is as wasteful as it gets.

Impatience is one thing, but when you look at that you can hopefully understand the mountain in front of the FO at the beginning of last season.

~Bang

[jtpop]

The key to rebuilding is to put pieces in place and then get a QB, our future QB is not on the roster this year and we are making do with what we have. I don't know who we will end up with in the draft but whoever it is better be prepared to come to a franchise that has a history of falling in love with the backup QB. We need OL depth, a top notch corner, a stud WR and a QB, I am being patient with Shanahan because we are starting to get some of those pieces we need I am just curious to see when he fills some of the obvious needs. You are never as bad as you think you are and you are never as good as some people say you are.

[Fight for ole DC]

Although I get excited for every game and see hope in winning each week, I kind of expected the game yesterday to be a bad game for us and a loss. I thought a Giant loss and a Cowboy loss would lessen the blow. Yes, the Cowboys lost:):):), but the Giants did not....oh well.

I look at it this way. We are still 3-2 and a win next week over Carolina puts up back on top of the NFC East with the current tie breaker over the Giants. The Giants have a tougher schedule. I did not expect us to be 3-2 at this point and possibly 4-2 (and in first place) after week 7 of the season.

So far, we've been good but not great. Our Defense is much improved. Offense is better but still struggling to find consistency. I look forward to seeing continued improvement over the season, hopefully stay in the playoff hunt for most of the year, and be a serious contender next year.

HTTR

[sportjunkie07]

While I want a QB too, to pretend that is the only need this team had is short sighted (not you, but lots)
Lets say we use that first pick on Gabbert... no Kerrigan, none of the trade downs that brought us so many players to fill so many needs..
I don't think it's true that you MUST start at the QB position. rebuilding takes time, especially with a franchise as dysfunctional as this one has been. just looking at the previous five drafts, and the numbers of those guys who are already gone from here or out of the league.
That said, I guarantee you we have any and all scouts out looking at QBs.

In the four drafts before the Shanallen era began we made 33 draft picks.
21 of them are out of the NFL. Gone in less than five years.
Of the 12 remaining, a quarter of them play elsewhere.
(Just look at the 08 draft. what a disaster. 10 picks. 7 are out of the league. 1 is a backup in NY. 2 are still on the team, and that was just 3 years ago.
An 80% failure rate. I don't know that anyone has drafted worse than we have in this time span. FTR, I use this time span because four years after any given draft, you should be seeing contributions. We drafted 65% guys who are not good enough to survive 4 years in the NFL.)

That is as wasteful as it gets.

Impatience is one thing, but when you look at that you can hopefully understand the mountain in front of the FO at the beginning of last season.

~Bang

oh i agree, i love what the new regime has done. it cant be stressed enough how bad our team has been personnel wise over the last decade (minus shanny and friends). ive never seen anything like it.

i am interested to see what smart management can do with the team over a few years. imo, we are just beginning to get out of the mess from the previous decade (beginning to assemble talent and depth, establishing a better culture, having a full draft, etc), and so far the results are promising. if you notice, a lot of players from this year and last year's drafts are playing well on our team.

i mean, we have late round picks and udfas playing important roles on our team, and unheard of phenomenon for the washington redskins.

[planter]

Please forgive our impatience but some of us still remember when the Skins used yo win big games. Ex

actly when does the rebuilding excuse expire?

[Drockvb]

While I want a QB too, to pretend that is the only need this team had is short sighted (not you, but lots)
Lets say we use that first pick on Gabbert... no Kerrigan, none of the trade downs that brought us so many players to fill so many needs..
I don't think it's true that you MUST start at the QB position. rebuilding takes time, especially with a franchise as dysfunctional as this one has been. just looking at the previous five drafts, and the numbers of those guys who are already gone from here or out of the league.
That said, I guarantee you we have any and all scouts out looking at QBs.

In the four drafts before the Shanallen era began we made 33 draft picks.
21 of them are out of the NFL. Gone in less than five years.
Of the 12 remaining, a quarter of them play elsewhere.
(Just look at the 08 draft. what a disaster. 10 picks. 7 are out of the league. 1 is a backup in NY. 2 are still on the team, and that was just 3 years ago.
An 80% failure rate. I don't know that anyone has drafted worse than we have in this time span. FTR, I use this time span because four years after any given draft, you should be seeing contributions. We drafted 65% guys who are not good enough to survive 4 years in the NFL.)

That is as wasteful as it gets.

Impatience is one thing, but when you look at that you can hopefully understand the mountain in front of the FO at the beginning of last season.

~Bang

Great post Bang. I had not realized just how bad our drafting failures had been. Big WOW.

On the QB thing. I am glad we haven't wasted a top pick on a QB yet. I would be afraid of not being able to protect a first round drafted QB. What good is a stud QB if he is on the turf every other play with huge possibility of getting seriously injured? Sure up the O-line then get the QB IMO.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Please forgive our impatience but some of us still remember when the Skins used yo win big games. Ex

actly when does the rebuilding excuse expire?

Um rebuilding IS exactly what is happening. Are Shanahan and Allen responsible for what happened 10 years ago? Or even what happened with Zorn? No they are not. That was on Danny, but he has finally hired a real HC and GM and axed that assclown Cerrato. So if you actually think this team has done anything resembling a rebuild since Snyder bought the team it is you who does not get it all all. Im so sick of people saying crying about "How long are we going to rebuild?" when this team has NEVER had a true rebuild( until this year) since Danny bought the team. So if you cant stand the two to three years this is gonna take i highly recommend you root for another team. Some fans are so impatient its irritating.

[Elmerz]

The QB should be the last piece of the puzzle for a team re-building.

We are doing this the right way folks, we are building from the inside out. This is what every single one of us wanted to do for years. Stop complaining about Rex. We knew going into this that he was a stop gap while we built the lines and the defense. I like every single off-season move we made. No rush on the QB, take the QB after we are stable around him. We had nothing close to stability this off season. We are doing it right for once!!!

[PeterMP]

The QB should be the last piece of the puzzle for a team re-building.

We are doing this the right way folks, we are building from the inside out. This is what every single one of us wanted to do for years. Stop complaining about Rex. We knew going into this that he was a stop gap while we built the lines and the defense. I like every single off-season move we made. No rush on the QB, take the QB after we are stable around him. We had nothing close to stability this off season. We are doing it right for once!!!
It is very difficult to get a QB, therefore it might take multiple shots at getting a QB and/or early pick(s).

[veteranskinsfan]

I agree with the OP that we are rebuilding but look what the Bengals have done with a rookie quarterback. Aren't they 4-2? We need to let Beck show us what he can do which is roll out of the pocket and with a banged up offensive line Rex will be a sitting duck for opposing defensive linemen.

[Elmerz]

It is very difficult to get a QB, therefore it might take multiple shots at getting a QB and/or early pick(s).

Agreed, but if we are strong everywhere else, we can do what the Ravens did. But, you are right....this is the first year the Raven's have had a legitimate passing game since their existence. It may be awhile. Until then we can still run the ball well, with a force of a defense and have a competitive team.

[PeterMP]

Agreed, but if we are strong everywhere else, we can do what the Ravens did. But, you are right....this is the first year the Raven's have had a legitimate passing game since their existence. It may be awhile. Until then we can still run the ball well, with a force of a defense and have a competitive team.
Is it easier to be good (SuperBowl level good) w/ a really good QB or doing what the Ravens have done (How many SBs have the Ravens been in over what period of time))?

[Smurf85]

We've been rebuilding since 1991. So give me a break on that rebuilding BS.

[DM72]

We've been rebuilding since 1991. So give me a break on that rebuilding BS.

People just use that copout to feel better about this team.

[Bang]

We've been rebuilding since 1991. So give me a break on that rebuilding BS.

Right.
we should be able to snap our fingers and be awesome right off the bat.


Can we get the broom?

~Bang