What if old Dan emerges & ends the Shanny era; will you still be a fan?

[Rdskns2000]

This is for discussion only. I am not advocating this. Shanny deserves 2 more years at least too see if he has earned an extension after the 2013 season or if his era ends one year early. I see 2012 as the the growing pains year as our rookie QB and several young offensive players learn to play together. I then see 2013 as when they team makes significant progress, possibly contending for a wild card but definitely enough there to now we are finally on the right track. If things aren't improving by the end of 2013; then it will be time for a change.


Thing is, we have Dan Snyder as owner. I know everyone says he has changed. Until he proves that to me; It's still possible old Dan will emerge.The Skins of the last 2 years aren't pleasing to him and it's possible his old habits creep up again. I'd be watching where Synder One is later in the season.


This is just for discussion only but what if Dan Snyder decides it's 2 and done for Shanny. Will that be the final straw for you or will you still be a fan?

[GibbsFactor]

I'm going to outlive Snyder, so yes, I'll still be a fan.


ETA: It will be media suicide to not give Shanny his fair run. He has to for his previous actions. He's given himself no other choice.

The scary thing will be in 5 years and if Shanny hasn't succeeded, will Danny feel justified that he might have been right all along?

Shudder.

[Rdskns2000]

I will remain a fan. I won't be pleased that Dan gave up on Shanny and wonder what they hell now. I'll just hope for the best with the new guy. If the old Dan reemerges and cans the Shans; then I would want him to give George Allen full control as GM and let George pick the coach and then stay the hell out of the way. Synder is going to be owner as long as I am alive; so I will have to live with whatever he does and hope for the best.

[Painkiller]

I honestly couldn't see myself putting any more money in his pockets through tickets sales or merchandise. I would probably become a casual fan at best. One that will watch the game for the entertainment value, but the emotional and financial investments would probably cease.

but one thing that should be pointed out, is that if he has truly changed, than Bruce Allen would be the one to fire the coach, not Snyder.

I still think that Shanny needs the full 5 years (probably longer) to show that he is turning things around. I just don't think people understand how badly screwed up from top to bottom this organization was.

[TheLongshot]

You mean the Dan Snyder that hasn't existed in a decade?

[HailGreen28]

It would be stupid to not give Shanny 5 years, but I could easily see Danny pulling the plug, if next season or the season after that are this bad.

I don't know if the Skins would be dead to me or not, if that happened. I'm sure as hell not rooting for the Washington Snyders. Shoot, maybe I've just always been a Washington Gibbs fan most of my life, and never realized it.

[DeadExField]

I will always love the team and the players, but if this happens, I would not stand for this, and at that point I believe he would need to step down and rid of himself and take responsibility for not being able to produce a winner in 10+ years. If he is going to fire anyone, it should be himself if this doesn't go well

[DM72]

I would still be a fan, but I'd be a bit disappointed. I'm on record in saying I don't like what I'm seeing, but you got to atleast see how things progress in his third year.

[ConnSKINS26]

You mean the Dan Snyder that hasn't existed in a decade?

Not sure what you mean by this. I'm a believer in Snyder being a changed owner, but it was only two years ago that Snyder was flying down to Shanahan's house MID-SEASON to attempt and recruit him to replace Zorn...with Zorn being none the wiser.

[Dirt]

Thing is, we have Dan Snyder as owner. I know everyone says he has changed. Until he proves that to me; It's still possible old Dan will emerge.The Skins of the last 2 years aren't pleasing to him and it's possible his old habits creep up again. I'd be watching where Synder One is later in the season.





So then what's he supposed to do to prove it.? How long is enough time? By your logic, it's possible for 'old dan' to emerge at any point ever, so what's the point? You'll just never trust him and I can't say I blame you.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt though. FIRING vinny says a lot.

[skinsarel33t]

I dont understand how some people talk about not being fans anymore. If you really are a extreme skins fan then no one can ever take your passion away, no matter how many games the redskins lose. thats how i feel

[No_Pressure]

Even though I disagree with a lot of the moves Shanahan has made with the roster (or lack of moves) and as much as I disagree with his choice of assistant coaches, I think it would be idiotic to not give him the full 5 years to build this team. I wish that we had done a true rebuild- demolished everything from the last team, sold off almost all of the parts, and brought in a whole new roster. I really would have enjoyed that. Instead we've been trying to win with a bunch of aged castoffs and never-beens. I wouldn't have a problem with it if we weren't taking on projects who are 28, or 30 years old.

[STBonecrusher21]

I ain't no *****.

[SkinsFTW]

Snyder already gets none of my money but yeah if he fires Allen/Shanahan after this year I could see myself caring a lot less about watching the games.

I'm 100% positive that doesn't happen though. Who would come here to coach next if he did? It's way too early for Snyder to turn completely into Al Davis. I never wanted Shanahan in the first place but you have to give him more than 2 years.

If we are going to keep changing the entire offense and defense every 2 years then there really would be no point in following this team any longer. We'd never have a chance.

[KokoMike]

I honestly couldn't see myself putting any more money in his pockets through tickets sales or merchandise. I would probably become a casual fan at best. One that will watch the game for the entertainment value, but the emotional and financial investments would probably cease.

but one thing that should be pointed out, is that if he has truly changed, than Bruce Allen would be the one to fire the coach, not Snyder.

I still think that Shanny needs the full 5 years (probably longer) to show that he is turning things around. I just don't think people understand how badly screwed up from top to bottom this organization was.

I agree with your last comment, that Shanahan needs the full five years. That is why we need to move on without him. I've been a season ticket holder for 35 years, been to the top and have seen the bottom. It doesn't take five years to become successful. Just look at the NFL today. It takes leadership and inspiration, coupled with good judgment. A winner. Shanahan has show none of these qualities. He is just another authoritarian gone wacko. I'll support the Skins if they get rid of Shanahan. After this year, I think we only owe him $15 million. Chump change compared to the $21 million check Shanahan gave Haynesworth.

Of course, I'll support the Redskins in any regard, because they are bigger than Snyder or Shanahan. Bigger than me; bigger than you.

[JesseNeckred]

I would hate it if Danny did that, but I'll always be a Redskins fan

[The Rook]

The amazing thing is that the fans are freaking out and ready to dump Shananan. One does not have to look very hard to find someone on ES calling for the firing of Coach.

I think Dan will have more patience than the fans.

I will give Coach to the end of year three (barring insane behavior).







:helmet: The Rook

[fancrazyskin]

Many what Shannah's head on a platter right now, I don't how much truth there is to Shannah telling Snyder that if you don't give me at least five years then don't hire me cramp really is. What scares me the most is that Snyder gets pressured by fans and pulls the trigger and fires Shannah early. So to answer your question no I love this team to much and nothing will ever get me to turn my back on them.

[MrJL]

I don't care what Snyder does with the coaches as long as he doesn't try to make the roster his personal fantasy football team again.

[Outlaw Torn]

We absolutely have to give shanahan at the very least five years to fix this team.

[Arenas{XP}]

only if we hire Cowher

[redshirtguy#45]

will always be a fan, at least i hope so. the current owner cant take away the gibbs 1 era memories.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Yes, I'd be a fan. Depending on the circumstances, I might agree with the move.

Our dynamic is awkward right now. I'm not sure who outranks who between our GM and our head coach. So, in the one specific case where Allen does not have the authority to fire Shanahan, I think there are a couple circumstances where it might be OK. For example, if Allen is sure that Haslett and/or Kyle are a big part of the problem but Shanahan won't fire him, I think I'd be OK with Allen advising Snyder to cut the cord and give him the autonomy to make similar decisions moving forward.

Like I said though, I will be a fan no matter how much I disagree with any of the moves.

[terpskins10]

Both Shanahan and Allen are very good at what they do.

However, I'm not sure that either of them have the ability to put together a team that will completely turn around the fortunes of this franchise like Schwartz/Mayhew did with the Lions or Smith/Dimitroff with Atlanta. I didn't think it when we hired them and I don't think it now. I think they can make us a well-run organization that is competitive, but neither have the personnel ability to put together a deep, young, talented team.

I'll root for them until Dan makes a decision one way or another, but as of right now I wouldn't really be TOO upset if Shanahan was canned. It comes with the caveat that we hire a great young FIRST TIME coach and a strong director of player personnel (DeCosta from Bailtimore).

[SWVASkinFan]

Like someone said earlier, I'm a WASHINGTON REDSKINS fan, not a Washington Snyders fan....

I was a fan before Snyder and I'll be a fan after (hopefully)....

A revolving door of coaching staffs has been one of the major reasons we have been in the dark ages for 2 decades! You MUST give Shanahan time to get things working right. I fully believe we are still on the right track.... He's built up the Defense considerably, and 2012 I would guess we'll see a lot of focus on the Offense in the offseason and draft...

Give it time!! Whoever told you they can build a Dynasty in 1-2 yrs LIED to you....

btw....I still believe we could have been there a lot sooner had Schottenheimer been given more than 1 yr.....but I don't want to spend my entire time as a Redskins fan living in the past....

HAIL!!

[hail2skins]

The next two weeks could be interesting. What if we lose an ugly game to the Niners and then go down to Miami and lose again? Will Dan get drunk as a skunk at Dulles again and fly to see Cowher or Gruden (even though both men seem content with their TV gigs)? Bruce Allen needs to hide the keys to the liquor cabinet.

Of course I'd still be a Skins fan, but would be pretty pissed if Dan fired Mike either during this season or right after the season.

We have to wait to see how this season ends and how the team performs in the second half of the year. However, if we finish below .500 and continue to struggle on offense, I wouldn't blame Snyder from asking some pretty tough questions to Shanahan. Particularly in regard to the QB situation.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

No disrespect to the OP, but that is just about the most asinine question that could possibly be posed on here, in any respect; be it hypothetical, in jest, for the sake of discussion whatever.

Nobody, thankfully, has answered they'd stop being a fan. But if anyone did, then they truly weren't a Redskin fan to start with. If anyone, through whatever circumstance, can stop being a fan of the team their allegedly a fan of, then they quite frankly don't deserve the time of day and were never one of us to begin with.

I'm going to stop before I get real pissed and go into a full blown rant. The 'would you stop being a fan if _________ ' question narks the living piss out of me.

Redskin from Cradle to Grave. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Hail.

[issapunk]

I would say that I like Allen more than I like Shanahan. Shanny should get his 5 years if we start to improve drastically by year 4, but if it is looking just as bad as this year, I say it's time to bring in a young, hungry coach. Shanahan's biggest problem might be that he was so successful long ago and might try to repeat what worked in the past, but won't work now. Look at the difference Harbaugh has made with the 49ers.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

...but I don't want to spend my entire time as a Redskins fan living in the past....

HAIL!!

We do it all the time...is still feel lucky that if the Gibbs era will always be our golden age, I got to experience the heart of it when I was 5-15. There wasn't much else on my radar during those years!

[Bobbyst21]

I dont pull for the Snyders i pull for the Redskins. Simple enough.

[DM72]

only if we hire Cowher

Please no.

[stevemcc]

No disrespect to the OP, but that is just about the most asinine question that could possibly be posed on here, in any respect; be it hypothetical, in jest, for the sake of discussion whatever.

Nobody, thankfully, has answered they'd stop being a fan. But if anyone did, then they truly weren't a Redskin fan to start with. If anyone, through whatever circumstance, can stop being a fan of the team their allegedly a fan of, then they quite frankly don't deserve the time of day and were never one of us to begin with.

I'm going to stop before I get real pissed and go into a full blown rant. The 'would you stop being a fan if _________ ' question narks the living piss out of me.

Redskin from Cradle to Grave. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Hail.

I agree with this. I can't see me ever not being a Redskins fan. I've been a fan since 1976, I'm not changing. But, the problem is, as long as we are fans, it will ensure that the Redskins continue to make money. If he's making money, Snyder really doesn't have to do anything improve the team--he still gets the $$$'s. He can fire the coach after two years, hire a bigger name, sign ridiculous free agents, whatever and I keep coming back. Its almost as if we reinforce to Dan its OK if we are mediocre, you've got me addicted, you can mess with the team however you want and I'll come back. If you look at teams like the Lakers in the NBA, if they don't have a championship level team, fans, movie stars don't attend. Would we have a better team if we were fair weather fans?

[CPORTISFAN999]

So then what's he supposed to do to prove it.? How long is enough time? By your logic, it's possible for 'old dan' to emerge at any point ever, so what's the point? You'll just never trust him and I can't say I blame you.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt though. FIRING vinny says a lot.

well i think that they mean that they wont trust him until its atleast february and mike hasnt been fired yet. cause it wasnt until after zorns 2nd season that he was fired, so if dan WAS thinking of firing mike and kyle this year, he probably would want to do it after the season is over.

[celticsalmon]

NO-I've been loyal for 45 years. NOW is the time for all of us to show PATIENCE-something lil Danny knows not!

No matter how loud fickle fans and Jason Reid scream and cry-stay with this regime and give them their due. Oh, novel idea-honor a contract!

Hail-unless he pulls the trigger

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I agree with this. I can't see me ever not being a Redskins fan. I've been a fan since 1976, I'm not changing. But, the problem is, as long as we are fans, it will ensure that the Redskins continue to make money. If he's making money, Snyder really doesn't have to do anything improve the team--he still gets the $$$'s. He can fire the coach after two years, hire a bigger name, sign ridiculous free agents, whatever and I keep coming back. Its almost as if we reinforce to Dan its OK if we are mediocre, you've got me addicted, you can mess with the team however you want and I'll come back. If you look at teams like the Lakers in the NBA, if they don't have a championship level team, fans, movie stars don't attend. Would we have a better team if we were fair weather fans?

Oh, now that's a whole other debate to the OP, and a valid one if things ever got so bad again that the only way forward was to try remove the owner by hitting him where it hurts most. In his pocket.

I honestly don't think we realise the power we hold as fans if we'd only stick together. Without us, there is NO game. NO TV, as they need the ambience we provide to make the spectacle worth while. If we got organised and stuck together, we really would wield great power in bringing about change to things. But we don't, sadly. We follow like sheep. Whatever's laid down, we except it. If you decide not to go to the game, renew your S/T etc, there's always somebody waiting to take your place.

The good thing is for the past 22 months or so, we've had an owner that finally has 'got it'; and given us what everyone's craved for so long from him in most all respects so we've not had to contemplate anything like that. Long may it continue. But there's a WORLD of difference in fans staying away and hitting the franchise were it hurts most; to just stopping being a fan as was asked in the OP.

That I'll never understand, no matter how bad things get.

Hail.

[DWinzit]

Certainly I'll still be a fan, I mean I've survived Norv Turner, Steve Spurrier and JIm Zorn era's......Ugh. And it would mean Kyle would be gone!!!

[FSUSkins24]

Geez, this thread is full of people who don't understand football. Fire Shanahan after two years? How do you ever expect to have a winning team that way? Every time you bring in a new coach these are new playbooks your players have to learn, it's not like madden where you have the I-formation, shotgun, single back, goal line, and special teams and each of them has 15 plays. It's complex stuff (hence why some people never get it).

Not only that, but Shanahan hasn't even gotten the chance to prove record-wise that he isn't improving this team. He inherited a terrible 4 win team, led them to 6 the next season, and we're ready to run him out of town halfway through a season where he could win us 7-8...

And to anyone that thinks you can build a winner in two years from a 4th worst in the league team? You are sorely mistaken... those Lions, 49ers, and Bills teams that everyone likes to compare us to now cause they're winning and we're not, those teams have been building a foundation for a few years now. They didn't just get good all of a sudden, they did it through quality drafts and FA signings that fit their scheme.

If Snyder makes a coaching change any time before 4 years (and that's if Shanahan isn't showing gradual improvement) I will be livid. Extremely pissed off. However, I'll still be a fan. I always will be.

I am too young to remember the golden age of the Redskins and I went to my first game at the age of 21 (I'm 23) so I will continue to go to games, buy beer and food, be quiet on offense, and scream myself hoarse on defense. Because to a true die-hard fan there is nowhere you'd rather be than at Fed Ex Field cheering on your team surrounded by thousands of other Redskins fans.

[ncr2h]

Pulling your starting QB when he is 3-2 and inserting a QB who proceeds to go 0-2 and set the Redskins record for most sacks taken in a game IS a fireable offense. The firing would appear to be more of the same, but might actually be a smart move at this point. Shannahan made a judgment call that you could argue derailed our season. It's a rare occurrence to see an NFL head coach make a conscious decision like that and have it blow up in his face like it has. IMO, I would not advocate firing Shannahan, but I couldn't argue with Snyder if he ended up doing it.

[NewCliche21]

A lot of times I try really hard to defend the intelligence of our fanbase.

And then I go and read the responses in threads like these. :doh:

[tomwvr]

I will be a fan of the skins until I die

But I think hiring Shanahan was a mistake - but if he gets fired before his contract is up it will be hard for snyder to hire a new coach - IMHO the team should have gone after a hot shot young Assistant Coach that is currently an OC or DC.

But I think everyone here will be yelling for Shanahans head if we do not go 8-8 in 2012 and look like an improved team.

Tom

[HAILSKINSNYC]

If Shanny is gone after the year, I bet they hire a director of player personnel to go with bruce allen...and then they hire one of the hot assistant coaches on the market

[Malcomb Kelly's Knees]

Seeing as I never wanted Shanahan to begin with, as long as we draft a new franchise QB in the 1st round next year I could careless who the coach is.

[thebluefood]

I'll always be a fan. Always.

That doesn't mean I'll give the Redskins a cent if we go back to that crap, though.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

If Shanny is gone after the year, I bet they hire a director of player personnel to go with bruce allen...and then they hire one of the hot assistant coaches on the market

I'd love for Allen to do exactly that whenever Shanahan is done...hopefully well into the future.

[Alrah]

I'd still be a fan. Although sometimes it feels like a curse, I could never root for any other team. :logo:

[CrabR]

Yes i will support him as long as he does not fire him midseason or humilate him the way he did Zorn

The more I see of shannanhan the more i dislike him. I do not think our team is well coached or prepared. I really really expected more. I also think our free agent pickups last year were overpaid and average at best

If we hire another we do not need a young coach, one who has a passion for the game and a coaching staff to match. One who adapts to the players style.not one who wants the players to adapt to his style

[SkinsFTW]

Anyone want to bet on this one? I guarantee Shanahan doesn't get fired this year, even if we lose the rest of our games. To Snyder he's almost as untouchable as Gibbs and Snyder is in no position to lose the fan base once again after the previous debacles he's been responsible for.

People STILL complain about Marty getting fired 10 years ago. Imagine Shanahan getting canned and then picked up by Miami or something and getting them deep in the playoffs later while we are still doing the bi-annual Coaching Staff Shuffle.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Sadly (or perhaps joyously, I dunno) there really is nothing the Dan or anyone else can do that will change my affiliation. I love the Redskins as much as I always have and always will - I just wish we could get our butts back to dominance.

That is all.

:)

[Painkiller]

People STILL complain about Marty getting fired 10 years ago.

and rightfully so

for me that is still the most ignorant thing Snyder has ever done as owner.

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Look at the difference Harbaugh has made with the 49ers.

I understand why people could say this, but how often do we see coaches start hot, and then simmer down and out.

If Harbaugh does not sustain this success throughout his tenure, and then win the big one at some point, what difference does it make? He will just be another coach that started out with big promise and didn't deliver.

[chipwhich]

I understand why people could say this, but how often do we see coaches start hot, and then simmer down and out.

If Harbaugh does not sustain this success throughout his tenure, and then win the big one at some point, what difference does it make? He will just be another coach that started out with big promise and didn't deliver.

Zorn had everyone singing hip hip hooray :ols:

[Chip80]

I would still be a fan, but a distant one.

I really don't see how he can fire him this quickly. He has lusted for a big name coach and finally landed one. If he cans him, then he will have shot his wad and then where does he turn? The fans won't be so easily entertained anymore.

His ego won't allow him to hire a no-name (Zorn cured that one) and no other big name coach will even answer an email from Herr Snyder, let alone a phone call.

I know, he would pay a lot to get another big name coach, but the new big time coach would know it's all but a guaranteed failure, even if Bruce Allen stays.

I don't even think he could entice a halfway known college coach here if he cans the Coppertone Kid.

Plus, MS won't fire his own son. I just wonder how they can ease out the OC and keep Momma. Shanahan happy.

[Painkiller]

Zorn had everyone singing hip hip hooray :ols:

Exactly

We went from "hip hip hooray" 6-2 to "get this mother ****er out of here at all costs" pretty quickly. :ols: Heck, just take the 49ers for instance. They are an excellent example. Mike Singletary. Started out great. Man crushes started with his media "can't win with em'" rant. Now? Gone...and is he even coaching at all right now?

[NewCliche21]

I would still be a fan, but a distant one.

I really don't see how he can fire him this quickly. He has lusted for a big name coach and finally landed one. If he cans him, then he will have shot his wad and then where does he turn? The fans won't be so easily entertained anymore.

His ego won't allow him to hire a no-name (Zorn cured that one) and no other big name coach will even answer an email from Herr Snyder, let alone a phone call.

I know, he would pay a lot to get another big name coach, but the new big time coach would know it's all but a guaranteed failure, even if Bruce Allen stays.

I don't even think he could entice a halfway known college coach here if he cans the Coppertone Kid.

Plus, MS won't fire his own son. I just wonder how they can ease out the OC and keep Momma. Shanahan happy.

I agree with the sentiment, but he finally landed a big name coach? Has he ever NOT had one?

Schotty
Spurrier
Gibbs
Shanahan

He had Zorn for two years-ish and Norv for one. That's all that he does.

[chipwhich]

I agree with the sentiment, but he finally landed a big name coach? Has he ever NOT had one?

Schotty
Spurrier
Gibbs
Shanahan

He had Zorn for two years-ish and Norv for one. That's all that he does.

So what can we derive from this little tidbit of information? Our problems all stem from coaching :ols: Seriously????

[clskinsfan]

I will always be a fan. No matter what Snyder does. But I dont think there is any chance that Shanny gets fired. He is here for the long haul.

[NewCliche21]

So what can we derive from this little tidbit of information? Our problems all stem from coaching :ols: Seriously????

Benefit of the doubt since I like your posts: You're not implying that I believe that all of our problems stem from coaching, correct?

[Destructis]

Sure I would be a fan. I would be ready for Gibbs 3.0

[BigRedskinDaddy]

I agree with the sentiment, but he finally landed a big name coach? Has he ever NOT had one?

Schotty
Spurrier
Gibbs
Shanahan

He had Zorn for two years-ish and Norv for one. That's all that he does.

I am still holding out hope that the Dan is learning, albeit at a much slower pace than George Steinbrenner did - meaning eventually he'll figure out where he's gone wrong and correct said mistakes. Leading to, <fingers crossed> a fourth Lombardi...finally.

[chipwhich]

Benefit of the doubt since I like your posts: You're not implying that I believe that all of our problems stem from coaching, correct?

Nope, just in general for the board.

One thing I can say fairly confidently, is our problems shouldn't start with coaching.

[NewCliche21]

Nope, just in general for the board.

One thing I can say fairly confidently, is our problems shouldn't start with coaching.

Okay, cool. Just didn't want to respond to something that you didn't say.

[fuji869]

I will always love the Redskins despite what Snyder does.

[paloosa]

I know that the post wis for discussion only but my feeling is that Snyder likes Shanahan and knows thaat he needs some time to get the team baack to a winning organization. I think that he now knows that there has to be some sort of stability in order to win. I think he trusts Shanahan and Allen to do the job he hired them to do. So I think that next year will be the season that will be the telling tale of the tape for Shanahan and Allen.

[TheLongshot]

Not sure what you mean by this. I'm a believer in Snyder being a changed owner, but it was only two years ago that Snyder was flying down to Shanahan's house MID-SEASON to attempt and recruit him to replace Zorn...with Zorn being none the wiser.

Given that coaching search was somewhat of a mess and Snyder was ill prepared for it, I can understand him wanting to talk to Shanahan to gauge his interest as well as get some advice. Zorn really walked into a no-win situation. I don't think Snyder had much confidence in either Vinny or Zorn to do the job after that first year. (Remember, he also talked to Allen at the Senior Bowl that year as well.) That being said, he did have Zorn play out his two years. Personally, I wish he was more supportive of Zorn, but he mostly did what the fanbase wanted: he let his football people handle the football business.

That being said, that has little to do with the subject of this post. While I don't trust Snyder to have much patience with a young coach, he does seem to respect veteran coaches. I just can't see him kneecapping Shanahan. Personally, I think Shanahan will get the Gibbs treatment and will be allowed to coach here at least 5 years and perhaps as long as he wants.

[Dallsux]

I will always be a Redskins fan, no matter who owns, runs, or guides this team. Thru every win, every loss, evry good & bad season. What Snyder does will not dampen my fanhood....EVER. I may stop watching, buying merchandise, or even paying attention to what goes on, who's on the team, or who's coaching, but my heart will always be with my Washington Redskins!

[KokoMike]

I think that Snyder hired Shanahan, at least in part, because he knew that Jerry Jones and Shanahan planned at some point for Shanahan to coach the Cowboys. I am looking forward to that day.

Really, I just do not believe that Shanahan has the true Redskins qualities that we have known and loved. I'm talking about Allen, Lombardi and Gibbs. Is there any coach out there that has those qualities?

I know that NFL pundits say that someone like that would never work for Snyder, but maybe Dan would give us season ticket holding fans a break. $2500/yr, 2 seats, for 12 pathetic years? That is a lot of jack. (plus probably another $10K plus in beer.) That is $40,000 out of my pocket. Come on Dan! Give us a break, and I'm not talking about anything but performance.

Does GM Allen report to Shanahan, by the way?

[issapunk]

and rightfully so

for me that is still the most ignorant thing Snyder has ever done as owner.

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I understand why people could say this, but how often do we see coaches start hot, and then simmer down and out.

If Harbaugh does not sustain this success throughout his tenure, and then win the big one at some point, what difference does it make? He will just be another coach that started out with big promise and didn't deliver.

Yeah, I also see your point. Earlier in the season the 49er's success reminded me a lot of Jim Zorn's first year here. Jason Campbell was playing well, Portis was on fire and our defense was very good. A lot of similarities but I feel like the 49'ers will continue to be good.

[Rdskns2000]

The amazing thing is that the fans are freaking out and ready to dump Shananan. One does not have to look very hard to find someone on ES calling for the firing of Coach.

I think Dan will have more patience than the fans.

I will give Coach to the end of year three (barring insane behavior).

We are assuming our savior franchise QB will be draft next year- 2012 will be just as bad if not worse than this year as the rookie goes thru growing pains.

The only way Shanny would really be in trouble after next season is if our starting QB in 2012 is a veteran QB.






:helmet: The Rook

---------- Post added November-3rd-2011 at 01:59 AM ----------


No disrespect to the OP, but that is just about the most asinine question that could possibly be posed on here, in any respect; be it hypothetical, in jest, for the sake of discussion whatever.

Nobody, thankfully, has answered they'd stop being a fan. But if anyone did, then they truly weren't a Redskin fan to start with. If anyone, through whatever circumstance, can stop being a fan of the team their allegedly a fan of, then they quite frankly don't deserve the time of day and were never one of us to begin with.

I'm going to stop before I get real pissed and go into a full blown rant. The 'would you stop being a fan if _________ ' question narks the living piss out of me.

Redskin from Cradle to Grave. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Hail.

Come on now, you know why I asked it. I've seen several people comment in several threads whenever a Shanny firing is mentioned; that would be it for them. Now, that was probably said after another loss but still wanted to see what people said.

[KokoMike]

Some people loved Shanahan when he came because he was going to change the culture of the Snyder Redskins from losers to winners.

Then, early on, he made what could be the worst most costly mistake in NFL history, personally handing Haynesworth a check for $21 Million, followed by total mismanagement of that situation (I'm not saying he could have managed it, but he could have thrown Haynesworth out and not paid him the $21 Million. We could have used the money for real players.)

Shanahan also screwed up the Redskins QB situation by selling us out for McNabb, then selling out McNabb, then sticking us with a mess at QB. Thanks, Shanahan.

I'll still support you, Dan Snyder, because I love the Redskins. But, please, don't just hang on to Shanahan if he doesn't perform immediately.

[scruffylookin]

[QUOTE=KokoMike;8662771
Really, I just do not believe that Shanahan has the true Redskins qualities that we have known and loved. I'm talking about Allen, Lombardi and Gibbs. Is there any coach out there that has those qualities? [/QUOTE]

I was no fan of hiring Shanahan (or Allen). Retreads don't win. We've seen it first hand with Gibbs 2.0.

However I'm a little fuzzy on what specific qualities about Lombardi, Allen and Gibbs are you referring to that Shanahan does not possess?

Also whatever it was about Lombardi, how can it be co-opped as being "Redskin qualities" when he coached here all of one year? Isn't it more true that Lombardi brought "Packer qualities" to an awful Redskins franchise (including changing the uniforms to be more Packer-like)?

The thread between Lombardi, Allen and Gibbs that I see is that they were very hard workers. Tireless. One thing you can say about Mike Shanahan is that he too is a very hard worker and stickler for detail.

[HogNose]

I can't stop being a fan....born a diehard, always a diehard. I was a fan before Dan Snyder and I'll be a fan after Dan Snyder.

Snyder convinced me he was able to change when he hired Bruce Allen and took a step back. Bruce Allen is more important than Shanny & son.

[maskedsuperstar]

We as fans must be patient. Skins fans have preached this for the last 11 years. Don't be hypocrites!! This is going to take time. Firing and hiring coaches every 2 to 3 years isn't going to get it done. Its not like Shanny has forgotten how to coach. Doesn't have all the pieces yet. Kyle? He is getting a bunch of crap because the offense is producing. If you at what he did in Houston, it just takes time. He wasn't very successful with Houston a first. But when he was done, Houston finished 4th in offense. Schaub was #1 in passing in 2009. So......................got to be patient.
I'd rather go through this type of losing with young guys, and build the damn team. All successful teams have gone through this. Look at Buffalo!!!
Not very good the last couple of years. Found a good QB, and kept building. Not a joke of the league anymore.

[Park City Skins]

What if I started to :banhim: what if threads?


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Okay waitaminute. :silly:





Honestly think it's a fairly silly question considering the fairly obvious answer.

[USS Redskins]

I have a hard time expecting anything from a guy who stakes their reputation on GrossBeck...

[HailGreen28]

Some people loved Shanahan when he came because he was going to change the culture of the Snyder Redskins from losers to winners.

Then, early on, he made what could be the worst most costly mistake in NFL history, personally handing Haynesworth a check for $21 Million, followed by total mismanagement of that situation (I'm not saying he could have managed it, but he could have thrown Haynesworth out and not paid him the $21 Million. We could have used the money for real players.)

Shanahan also screwed up the Redskins QB situation by selling us out for McNabb, then selling out McNabb, then sticking us with a mess at QB. Thanks, Shanahan.

I'll still support you, Dan Snyder, because I love the Redskins. But, please, don't just hang on to Shanahan if he doesn't perform immediately.Maybe one of the more knowledgeable-than-me posters could settle this: But I thought the 21 mil was guaranteed to Fat Boy anyways. That the only reason the big payment was in 2010 was for the team to take advantage of the uncapped year. Shanahan offered to let Fat Boy seek a trade with another team, on the condition that FB give up the bonus if he signed with another team. But the 21 mil was guaranteed unless Fat Boy gave it up.

[BeefJerky]

Regardless of what Danny boy does I will ALWAYS be a fan of The Washington Redskins. Losing is really getting old, but you find out who the real fans are when times are tough. To me, If you have to really ask yourself this question at all you are not a redskin fan.

[SWVASkinFan]

Seeing as I never wanted Shanahan to begin with, as long as we draft a new franchise QB in the 1st round next year I could careless who the coach is.

We've been there....done that... doesn't do anything if you don't have a solid coaching staff there to help them...

See Patrick Ramsey
See Jason Campbell (I always like Campbell too....feel a lot(a lot...not all) of his shortfalls here had a lot to do with Coaching and OL failures)

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Then, the organization burns with him holding the torch.

[jtpop]

I will always be a fan but I would turn my season tickets in, the older I get the harder it is to make the trip anyhow.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I kind of hope he fires Shanahan. I'm weirdly entertained by the chaos that this franchise can provide. I'm generally resigned to the fact that the play on the field is going to be awful so I need the soap opera.

[ashlynskins]

I dont understand how some people talk about not being fans anymore. If you really are a extreme skins fan then no one can ever take your passion away, no matter how many games the redskins lose. thats how i feel


totally disagree...Love of the team yes nobody can take that away, but Passion, these last several seasons of the team/franchise being the joke of the NFL can sure as hell wear you down to the point that you would rather wash your car, go skating with your kids, (anything) but watch a Redskins game..in fact add to that taking alot less for your season tickets just to unload them so your not sitting on them. Sad but I don't enjoy watching or going to a game because you already know the outcome....a team getting paid to play like crap....

[tricks]

I just don't think it should have taken 5 years to right this ship, if it would have been done the right way. One thing that bothered me is why we started with the defense, not only starting there but switching to a 3-4 when we did. We bring in Hanesworth and paid him an ungodly amount of money, and then switch to the 3-4? Our D ranked 10th in 09 and 4ht in 08, so the team might have been a mess, but the D was the better part of this team. Then you have the mistakes made at the QB position, I know Campbell didn't have a lot of fans here, but the guy had no O-line, and when you look at McNabbs record the year before coming here it wasn't much better than Campbells was for the same year. Then you go with Rex and Beck, with no 3, what would have happened if Beck went down in Carolina, Rex had a temp of 103!!!
The play calling has not been geared towards either of these QB's, Kyle is calling games as if we have Brady or Rodgers under center, the running game has not been given a chance to get going the last 3 games. Our rebuilding should have started with the O-line, by using those picks we gave for McNabb, we sure wouldn't have done any worse with Campbell here until we got a gunslinger. Hindsight is 20/20 I know, but some of these were givens. I say another year or two depending on how much progress is made, if we keep going backwards, then maybe another year, the play calling has to change, I just wonder sometimes if all of this is a plan to have Kyle slide in the HC job when Mike retires. The thing is, some good points were made, if Snyder has changed, then you have to give him a little more time, and when it goes down, if it does, then it should be done by Allen as someone else said. I had bought into the Shanahan show big time after the draft, but I'm starting to wonder, I hope, no I pray I'm wrong, either way if Snyder hasn't changed, we'll never have a winning team, I just don't see him pulling off a Jerry Jones....and I can't stand JJ anyway!! LOL

[Mr. Blitz]

I kind of hope he fires Shanahan. I'm weirdly entertained by the chaos that this franchise can provide. I'm generally resigned to the fact that the play on the field is going to be awful so I need the soap opera.

Sad.... but true!!!:cool:

[tricks]

Man I left out the most important thing, I will always, always be a Redskin FAN!!!!

[skinzwiz]

I wouldn't be upset if he ended the "Kyle" Shanahan era, but really no need to think about any kind of coaching changes unless next year shows digression.

[Wyvern]

I would be extremely disappointed if Snyder fired Shanahan after 2 years and blew the team up again. I think that Shanahan should get at least until midway through the 2013 season before Snyder even considers signaling that he's considering overhauling the coaching structure/team.

Frankly, I don't think it ever will come to that. I think we're going to see some real progress by the end of the 2012 season and the 2013 season will be when the team starts really taking off to the new 'playoff contender' level.

Only a complete breakdown in 2012 would convince me that the team was stalled -- and frankly, I see a lot of progress already. Shanahan and Allen are building a decent team from scratch.

As for stopping to be a fan, should Snyder pull the plug in year 2 -- I'd probably lower my level of interest in what happened, and entertain different hobbies. Not sure I could ever jettison all my interest in the Skins, because it's buried fairly deeply in my DNA. But I'd be a heckuva lot more cynical and negative about the team's chances under an owner who couldn't be patient enough to develop a winner.

[laurent]

Personally, I've grown disenchanted to the point of being numb already. Shanahan being fired would simply be more of the same.

[Bat~man]

I don't think it matters really.

We've fired coaches left and right... and let a few stay for a few years. They all produce the same results. We are bottom feeders..and it sucks

[tricks]

I couldn't live without watching the Skins on the Weekends, hell the bye week kills me, and the off-season seems like forever, thats whats so damn disappointing when we fall apart every year, and you know it's another 9 months until we try again, but with that said I have been with this team since I was old enough to know what a football was, that will never change.

[HogNose]

I kind of hope he fires Shanahan. I'm weirdly entertained by the chaos that this franchise can provide. I'm generally resigned to the fact that the play on the field is going to be awful so I need the soap opera.

Yeah, it is kind of masochistically exciting to see the stealthy Redskins One take off for destinations unknown. :twitch: ;)

[USS Redskins]

I wouldnt have a problem with him firing Shanny. He shouldnt have 100% control anyway... I would hope he would hang on to Allen, draft a QB and get a young, hungry coach who understands the modern NFL and like the 1981 Joe Gibbs- works with what he has, improves it, and puts the team into contention in year 2 - not a 5 year plan.

I do have a big problem with anyone that stakes their reputation on Grossman... I would rather not have that guy grooming a young QB.

[Crazy Levi]

Of course. We've put up with a dozen years of it, why stop now?

[mr_neon]

This is for discussion only. I am not advocating this. Shanny deserves 2 more years at least too see if he has earned an extension after the 2013 season or if his era ends one year early. I see 2012 as the the growing pains year as our rookie QB and several young offensive players learn to play together. I then see 2013 as when they team makes significant progress, possibly contending for a wild card but definitely enough there to now we are finally on the right track. If things aren't improving by the end of 2013; then it will be time for a change.


Thing is, we have Dan Snyder as owner. I know everyone says he has changed. Until he proves that to me; It's still possible old Dan will emerge.The Skins of the last 2 years aren't pleasing to him and it's possible his old habits creep up again. I'd be watching where Synder One is later in the season.


This is just for discussion only but what if Dan Snyder decides it's 2 and done for Shanny. Will that be the final straw for you or will you still be a fan?

I personally know of an ex-fan who gave up the Redskins in favor of the Ravens and his excuse is that the Redskins will never be good until Dan Snyder dies and even then, the team gets willed to his children. So, basically, he thinks the Redskins are cursed forever. Let's remember that Dan had Vinny Cerrato as his right hand man. A lot of this "old Dan" stuff should be pointed at VC. Vinny isn't here anymore. Unless things really go down the tubes this year (things so far hasn't looked very good) I think if anybody fires anybody, Dan should let Bruce Allen make those decisions.