Via Adam Schefter Twitter: Fred Davis, Trent Williams among 11 players facing discipline for testing positive

[mzkp54]

@AdamSchefter
Adam Schefter
Two players involved in Yahoo report Saturday about 11 players facing discipline for testing positive are TE Fred Davis, OT Trent Williams.

Wonderful, just what this team needs...

Update: Recreational drugs, not performance enhancing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkUrilnEg5Do0SFMWWLuIKlDubYF?slug=jc-cole_demaurice_smith_nflpa_scrutiny_discipline_111 111


Ten players are facing fines from the league for violating the substance abuse policy by testing positive for recreational drugs, according to two player representatives and another source familiar with the situation. An 11th player, who had previously violated the league’s policy, is subject to both a fine and suspension.

[ixcuincle]

Real shame, more suspensions upcoming

Don't do drugs kids

[daveakl]

This is going to blow up the nflpa. Players thought there was a 30 day wait for testing coming into camp due to the lockout and it was to be in the cba. It got left out. Going to be a lot like the cedric Benson suspension issue.

[mithong1]

they're only subject to fines.. although it isnt very comforting that they are smoking weed in the offseason, considering their reputations for being slackers

[emor09]

Testing positive for what drugs? Performance-enhancing or recreational?

[mzkp54]

Testing positive for what drugs? Performance-enhancing or recreational?

I was wondering the same thing- strange that he didn't clarify

Edit: Just saw that it was recreational.

[Toe Jam]

When it rains, it pours.

[RabidFan]

recreational...so weed one hopes and not oxy or the horse.

[HailSkins83]

I was gonna block that guy, but I got high....da da da da da

[Goingforburgundy]

I was gonna block that guy, but I got high....da da da da da
Lol

[spjunkies]

There is a reason he's "Sleepy" Freddie.

[the burgundy and gold]

Clearly it did not have a huge impact on Fred's play, Trent on the other hand...

[#98QBKiller]

At least it's just weed and not PEDs. But damn it's true, when it rains it pours.

[B&GVol24]

Yeah, hate to say it but, while I wish they weren't doing anything at all, at least it's recreational and not substance-abuse.

I'm not certain, but I would imagine the suspensions/fines would be much less for weed than for 'roids.

[sportjunkie07]

I was gonna block that guy, but I got high....da da da da da

haha this one had me rolling.

[Toe Jam]

I love how some of you are dismissing this just because it's weed.

It may seem harmless but it's still an illegal substance in this country. They broke the law.

[ACW]

I love how some of you are dismissing this just because it's weed.

It may seem harmless but it's still an illegal substance in this country. They broke the law.Yet if they tested positive for alcohol it'd be okay under the law. I'd rather have them smoking pot than getting drunk.

[Taylor 36]

Please don't mistake what I am about to say as some sort of excuse for Fred and Trent. Anyone who knows most post history knows that I don't cut any slack for dumbasses professional athletes who do drugs, even "recreationally." However, this should once again show the players and the fans how pathetic D. Smith is and how this whole lockout fiasco went on much longer than it had to because he had to make it about him. He totally and completely lied and mislead the players by telling them that they would have a testing cushion after the lockout ended. Now, it is being reported that he never even negotiated anything about it. He is a lying piece of ****, and I hope that every fan on this board that supported him and his lies about the league and the owners is starting to wake up and get it.

[skins2victory]

Oh great..... Way to go guys, great leadership there.........

[jnhay]

I love how some of you are dismissing this just because it's weed.

It may seem harmless but it's still an illegal substance in this country. They broke the law.
It is harmless. The law isn't how I determine what's right and wrong.

[elkabong82]

Yet if they tested positive for alcohol it'd be okay under the law. I'd rather have them smoking pot than getting drunk.

heck, they could even be abusing legally prescribed medication and it wouldn't be considered as bad as mj, in the "eyes of the law."

[texasthunder]

Clearly it did not have a huge impact on Fred's play, Trent on the other hand...

With some of the stupid mistakes TW has made recently, one would have to think he smoked some before the games.

Shades of the original MASH movie during the football game............................

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

breaking news: young football players smoke weed.

more breaking news: who cares.

[8181]

I honestly don't have anything against marijuana use, but just like the rest of us who go through drug screening for employment, you'd hope they'd use better judgement....

Oh well, at least it's just a fine.

[ACW]

heck, they could even be abusing legally prescribed medication and it wouldn't be considered as bad as mj, in the "eyes of the law."True :doh:

[Bobbyst21]

I was gonna block that guy, but I got high....da da da da da
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
I was gonna catch that pass, but then i got high.
Now my pockets are lighter and i know why, hay haaaay
Because i got high, because i got high, because i got high...
Now the coach is in my ear, because i got high.....
I might get thrown out on my rear, because i got high
Better stay clean all next year, cause you no why...
Man ya beat me to it.....

[B&GVol24]

breaking news: young football players smoke weed.

more breaking news: who cares.

:rotflmao:

I literally lol'd BLC, thanks for that.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

:rotflmao:

I literally lol'd BLC, thanks for that.


lol, i mean dont get me wrong, i dont smoke weed but its pretty much common knowledge that a ton of these kids do it.

now they have to be smart enough to take system cleaners to avoid testing positive.

and if its testing positive for anything else (coke, pain killers) then we have a problem. but some 20 something year old rich kids smoking weed is not something to be worried about.

[TheShredSkinz]

I was gonna block that guy, but I got high....da da da da da

I was gonna kick out and get him too, but then I got high...da da da da da

Now we're starting Helu and I know why.......

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Wonder how many players in total were tested.

2 out of 11 players caught looks bad, imo. And it looks dumb.

Even if they thought that they'd get 30 days grace, or whatever, did they not anticipate a little early that the CBA was due to be resolved.

Trent is on the biggest contract on the roster. Davis is looking for a new contract.

Whether its worth caring about or not, I'd expect them to be a bit smarter.

[tex]

Two of their best doing drugs?! These Redskins are simply cursed. So now what? Are they going to feel all warm and fuzzy protecting their soon to be acquired bright shiny new franchise qb with a druggie? Sheesh!

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg?1282626490

[Warhead36]

breaking news: young football players smoke weed.

more breaking news: who cares.

qft...this is like getting upset over speeding

[B&GVol24]

lol, i mean dont get me wrong, i dont smoke weed but its pretty much common knowledge that a ton of these kids do it.

now they have to be smart enough to take system cleaners to avoid testing positive.

and if its testing positive for anything else (coke, pain killers) then we have a problem. but some 20 something year old rich kids smoking weed is not something to be worried about.

Oh yeah I completely agree.

I remember when I was in school it was known that the basketball/football players were given a heads-up when they were about to be tested. I heard, from an athlete, that you have time to get clean and its pretty much just the dumbasses that get caught.

I would always see some of the athletes at parties around campus, getting drunk and smoking just like everyone else. They were 21-22 year olds just like us.

[ouvan59]

I love how some of you are dismissing this just because it's weed.

It may seem harmless but it's still an illegal substance in this country. They broke the law.

Next thing you know we are going to find out they were speeding too. What is this world coming to. Execute the lot of them I say!!!

[Toe Jam]

It is harmless. The law isn't how I determine what's right and wrong.

Hmm.

I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe someone like Jerry Sandusky would?

Guess I'm just a square, wanting to abide by the law and all that. :)

[#98QBKiller]

Next thing you know we are going to find out they were speeding too. What is this world coming to. Execute the lot of them I say!!!

:ols:

Seriously

[TD_washingtonredskins]

breaking news: young football players smoke weed.

more breaking news: who cares.
:ols:

Exactly.

[Jumbo]

got to be hard for many to be young, rich, have celebrity status, and not do some weed sometimes

[B&GVol24]

Hmm.

I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe someone like Jerry Sandusky would?

Guess I'm just a square, wanting to abide by the law and all that. :)

I'm pretty sure raping and pimping out 10 year old boys is against the law.

I get what you're trying to say, but bad example dude.

[ouvan59]

Hmm.

I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe someone like Jerry Sandusky would?

Guess I'm just a square, wanting to abide by the law and all that. :)
:stop:

Yeah, that's the same thing. Worst analogy ever.

[#98QBKiller]

Hmm.

I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe someone like Jerry Sandusky would?

Guess I'm just a square, wanting to abide by the law and all that. :)

lol connection fail.

[terrifNick21]

Who says Trent and Fred didn't go green?! :silly:

[tex]

qft...this is like getting upset over speeding

No it's not. Firstly, believe it or not there is a difference between doing 34 in a 30 and doing drugs. Secondly, youngsters make mistakes because they lack the experience and judgement to properly weigh risk versus reward. These cats are grownup college grads that should know better.

[HapHaszard]

WP article posted up on BRBN

[DieselPwr44]

I can see Fred and Trent now...

Trent on guitar and Fred singing...

"Washington Redskins...don't like to get up early...but they do anyway...go to practice with Rex and John Becky....."

[Toe Jam]

lol connection fail.

Just pointing out that we can't pick and choose which laws not to follow just because we don't agree with them.

[pray4surf]

It's still a black eye but it sure beats being labeled a cheater. Just sayin.

[Darkstarr]

No it's not. Firstly, believe it or not there is a difference between doing 34 in a 30 and doing drugs. Secondly, youngsters make mistakes because they lack the experience and judgement to properly weigh risk versus reward. These cats are grownup college grads that should know better.

Having a good time with some adult beverages or catching a buzz in the off season is not that big of a deal. TW came into camp in shape and so did Davis so i could careless what they do as long as they are in shape and rdy to go come camp.

[B&GVol24]

I can see Fred and Trent now...

Trent on guitar and Fred singing...

"Washington Redskins...don't like to get up early...but they do anyway...go to practice with Rex and John Becky....."

:ols::ols::ols:

Haven't seen that movie in years! "Washington Redskins....don't like to just get into gang fights...
they like flowers, and music, and white girls named Debbie tooooooo" :ols:

[HapHaszard]

Glazier on Fox just reported there are 3 Redskins not 2.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

No it's not. Firstly, believe it or not there is a difference between doing 34 in a 30 and doing drugs. Secondly, youngsters make mistakes because they lack the experience and judgement to properly weigh risk versus reward. These cats are grownup college grads that should know better.


sorry, you are at more risk speeding than smoking weed.

if im speeding (and im guilty of this constantly) you are potentially putting peoples life in danger if you are not careful.

how in gods name can you hurt anybody by smoking weed in your house?

thats why the law is just way off on this, and why at some point its gonna be legal (and already is in certain places). drinking is 100x more dangerous and is legal and tolerated. how many people drive drunk and kill people? how many people drive high and kill people? ever seen a "dont smoke and drive" ad? you probably wont ever.

now, personally i think smoking weed is dumb and its not for me, but its so harmless in the grand scheme that aside from the "they broke the law" argument, theres not much else to stand on.

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 12:11 PM ----------


Glazier on Fox just reported there are 3 Redskins not 2.

my vote goes to jamaal brown (and dont ask me how i know this lol).

[Oldskool]

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[NewCliche21]

Hahahaha, this is a story?

Breaking News: Twenty-Somethings Smoke Weed; Sun Proven Hot

[Riggins77]

Glazier on Fox just reported there are 3 Redskins not 2. I just saw that too Haps, wonder who the other player is?

[UK_HOG]

Would those with a don't care less stance still think the same if the players were Cowboys and not Redskins?

[HapHaszard]

s

my vote goes to jamaal brown (and dont ask me how i know this lol).

You been hanging with Jamaal again? :)

[Toe Jam]

I just saw that too Haps, wonder who the other player is?

John Beck

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Would those with a don't care less stance still think the same if the players were Cowboys and not Redskins?

what would the difference be?

breaking news: young guys smoke weed.....on a team i dont like.

breaking news: still dont care.

[tex]

Having a good time with some adult beverages or catching a buzz in the off season is not that big of a deal. TW came into camp in shape and so did Davis so i could careless what they do as long as they are in shape and rdy to go come camp.

"Careless" being the operative Freudian slip.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

You been hanging with Jamaal again? :)

lol, no, ive just heard from a very credible source that he loooooooves the ganja.

[HapHaszard]

I just saw that too Haps, wonder who the other player is?

don't know at this point, once its in an article I'll post it, and add a notice in this thread.

[#98QBKiller]

lol, no, ive just heard from a very credible source that he loooooooves the ganja.

It's gotta be Hightower....he has dreads.

[SC_RedskinsFan]

It is weird to me that so many of you think this is no big deal. We bash dallass for all of their drug users, and now we have 3 on our team. And I know what yall will say, it's only weed... Well guess what we kick people out of the military for doing this very thing. These players are employed by the NFL, I wish they would have a much firmer stance on this. Players make millions of dollars to play a game, how ****ing hard is it to keep your nose clean? I have zero sympathy for what ever happens to them, kids do look up to them.....

[Warhead36]

It's gotta be Moss. Just listen to him speak. Look at his eyes. The guy definitely smokes weed.

[NewCliche21]

It is weird to me that so many of you think this is no big deal. We bash dallass for all of their drug users, and now we have 3 on our team. And I know what yall will say, it's only weed... Well guess what we kick people out of the military for doing this very thing. These players are employed by the NFL, I wish they would have a much firmer stance on this. Players make millions of dollars to play a game, how ****ing hard is it to keep your nose clean? I have zero sympathy for what ever happens to them, kids do look up to them.....

This post is just ridiculous.

Are you seriously trying to compare NFL players, who need to PLAY A GAME for maybe 48 total hours each year, to military personnel who need to SAVE, GIVE, and TAKE LIVES every second of every day? Do you really think that there is any sort of reasonable correlation between those two? I've seen a lot of posts in my time here, but this is ranking near the bottom in terms of attempting to be inflammatory by being insulting to the bravest of the brave.

People who smoke up occasionally aren't "drug users" in the way that you're using the term anymore than people who speed are "convicts."

People who are in their teens and twenties smoke weed. Is this a revelation?


Would those with a don't care less stance still think the same if the players were Cowboys and not Redskins?

Yes? It's weed. It's not coke (Manley/Taylor), it's not smack, and they're not dealing.

[Hitman21ST]

It is weird to me that so many of you think this is no big deal. We bash dallass for all of their drug users, and now we have 3 on our team. And I know what yall will say, it's only weed... Well guess what we kick people out of the military for doing this very thing. These players are employed by the NFL, I wish they would have a much firmer stance on this. Players make millions of dollars to play a game, how ****ing hard is it to keep your nose clean? I have zero sympathy for what ever happens to them, kids do look up to them.....

BIG difference between shooting a rifle and catching a football.

[#98QBKiller]

It is weird to me that so many of you think this is no big deal. We bash dallass for all of their drug users, and now we have 3 on our team. And I know what yall will say, it's only weed... Well guess what we kick people out of the military for doing this very thing. These players are employed by the NFL, I wish they would have a much firmer stance on this. Players make millions of dollars to play a game, how ****ing hard is it to keep your nose clean? I have zero sympathy for what ever happens to them, kids do look up to them.....


Dallas had players doing cocaine. It's not the same thing. Our government allows people with certain conditions in certain states to smoke marijuana medicinally, they don't allow anyone to use cocaine medicinally. It's a misdemeanor for a reason. Should they also have a firmer stance on players that get caught speeding in their brand new cars? I mean kids look up to them, you don't want kids to grow up and start speeding when they get their licenses.

[Darkstarr]

It is weird to me that so many of you think this is no big deal. We bash dallass for all of their drug users, and now we have 3 on our team. And I know what yall will say, it's only weed... Well guess what we kick people out of the military for doing this very thing. These players are employed by the NFL, I wish they would have a much firmer stance on this. Players make millions of dollars to play a game, how ****ing hard is it to keep your nose clean? I have zero sympathy for what ever happens to them, kids do look up to them.....

So we are worried about a little pot in the offseason but say nothing about the painkillers they gooble up all year and the injections they take to play. Under your promise drugs are drugs. By giving them these drugs do u not risk them becoming addicted to those? Why would u compare the military with a private business they have nothing in common. When u say keep the nose clean you are indicating Coke, we are not talking coke!

[Jumbo]

I like how "testing positive" is such a supportive way of saying you failed a test. :pfft:

[NewCliche21]

I like how "testing positive" is such a supportive way of saying you failed a test. :pfft:

Go strengths-based or go home!

[SC_RedskinsFan]

This post is just ridiculous.

Are you seriously trying to compare NFL players, who need to PLAY A GAME for maybe 48 total hours each year, to military personnel who need to SAVE, GIVE, and TAKE LIVES every second of every day? Do you really think that there is any sort of reasonable correlation between those two? I've seen a lot of posts in my time here, but this is ranking near the bottom in terms of attempting to be inflammatory by being insulting to the bravest of the brave.

People who smoke up occasionally aren't "drug users" in the way that you're using the term anymore than people who speed are "convicts."

People who are in their teens and twenties smoke weed. Is this a revelation?



Yes? It's weed. It's not coke (Manley/Taylor), it's not smack, and they're not dealing.

Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I was in the military and have seen it first hand people who have been kicked out. Why should people who are on tv and having kids look up to them not be held to that same standard????

So you are not a "drug user" if you only use drugs sometimes? :ols:

The way you defend them for doing it is what I think is ridiculous, not my post, but thats just my opinon....

[#98QBKiller]

I like how "testing positive" is such a supportive way of saying you failed a test. :pfft:

I know, so much negativity over such a positive test.





:silly:

[cactitle]

Too funny!
Hahahaha, this is a story?

Breaking News: Twenty-Somethings Smoke Weed; Sun Proven Hot

[Jumbo]

Go strengths-based or go home!


"The fact that you two argue so constantly and with such anger shows you still really care and actually feel very passionate about your marriage."

:D :pfft: :ols:

[UK_HOG]

Yes? It's weed. It's not coke (Manley/Taylor), it's not smack, and they're not dealing.

My mistake, I thought weed was an illegal substance in the states as it is here in the UK.

[SC_RedskinsFan]

So we are worried about a little pot in the offseason but say nothing about the painkillers they gooble up all year and the injections they take to play. Under your promise drugs are drugs. By giving them these drugs do u not risk them becoming addicted to those? Why would u compare the military with a private business they have nothing in common. When u say keep the nose clean you are indicating Coke, we are not talking coke!

It's a saying "keep your nose clean" has nothing to do with coke.

Why would I compare them? People look up to them both that is why. If you are doing something against the law and get caught pay the price. I don't understand why sports players get a pass for doing weed....

[Jumbo]

I know, so much negativity over such a positive test.

:silly:

Like how testing negative for HIV is such a positive outcome. Me luv Englishes.

[NewCliche21]

Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I was in the military and have seen it first hand people who have been kicked out. Why should people who are on tv and having kids look up to them not be held to that same standard????

So you are not a "drug user" if you only use drugs sometimes? :ols:

The way you defend them for doing it is what I think is ridiculous, not my post, but thats just my opinon....

As a serviceman, thank you for your service. However, you seriously compare your duties in the military with professionally playing a game? The reason that you aren't allowed to use marijuana in the military is because it inhibits your performance and you are ALWAYS on duty. You smoke up, you're putting lives at risk. They smoke up, they're putting dollars at risk. There is zero comparison.

Oh, and, so you're saying that you're a convict because you've gotten a speeding ticket, right?

My point is to save your vitriol for the rapists and the dog torturers.


"The fact that you two argue so constantly and with such anger shows you still really care and actually feel very passionate about your marriage." :D :pfft: :ols:

It works!

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 12:37 PM ----------


My mistake, I thought weed was an illegal substance in the states as it is here in the UK.

Yes, and if we want to play the "illegal is illegal" game, then murdering someone is just as illegal as jaywalking, right?

[Darkstarr]

Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I was in the military and have seen it first hand people who have been kicked out. Why should people who are on tv and having kids look up to them not be held to that same standard????

So you are not a "drug user" if you only use drugs sometimes? :ols:

The way you defend them for doing it is what I think is ridiculous, not my post, but thats just my opinon....

You use drug user as if most of america is not a drug user??

Who does not indulge in more then their share of caffine?
How much alcohol is abused at every football game?
Weed is just not that big of an issue i am sorry. I will take someone high way way way over any legal liquor drunk person.

[mikemac9]

I don't see why the NFL cares about what recreational drugs are used by players. The only thing they should be monitoring is performance ENHANCING drugs. If they want to use drugs recreationally, just like any employer, the NFL should keep out of it. If you show up to work and your work excels, then what you do in your private life is just that, private.

[Luca Brasi]

If you guys think it's only 3 guys on our team, you're kidding yourselves. Chances are 50% of the league or more enjoy a little weed in their down time. The only problem is their stupidity for not taking precautions to pass the test, but whatever. As long as they don't do it before practice or before games, it really has no effect whatsoever on their play. Hell, it might even enhance film study considerably.

In other news, once States and eventually the Federal government embrace how much money they will make off taxing majijuana, it will be legal. It happended with alcohol and it happended with tobacco. It's far less dangerous in general than alcohol, and it's far less harmful to the individual than tobacco. I have done many studid, embarrassing, and potentially dangerous things after having too many drinks. The only thing I've done after too much weed is lay down and go to sleep. Many years ago of course. :cool:

[SC_RedskinsFan]

You use drug user as if most of america is not a drug user??

Who does not indulge in more then their share of caffine?
How much alcohol is abused at every football game?
Weed is just not that big of an issue i am sorry. I will take someone high way way way over any legal liquor drunk person.

Using weed is against the law. You may not like that fact but it is.

The point I was making about drug user is if someone is using drugs, that does kinda make them a drug user.

Yall carry on with defending plays who smoke weed, I have other stuff to do :ols:

[Hitman21ST]

Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I was in the military and have seen it first hand people who have been kicked out. Why should people who are on tv and having kids look up to them not be held to that same standard????


Because no one's life is directly at risk when football players do it. When soldiers (or sailors or Marines) do it, they are putting others' lives at risk.

[soljaofjesus]

Marijuana is just a plant. It just grows like that. And if you so happen to set it on fire.... there are some effects. But thats not drugs. Drugs you have to do something chemically to it! The only side effects are hungry, happy, sleepy!

If it was weed, I could care less as long as they don't get into any more trouble with it.

[stp240]

Anyone who thinks this is no big deal is just not thinking straight.

The Washington Redskins do not pay them the big bucks for them to go buy weed. First of all, weed in this day and age is laced with all sorts of other crap. Second of all, how are they getting it? Associating themselves with the wrong kinda people most likely.

As a professional football player it takes an absolute idiot to smoke weed. Both Trent and Fred are worth millions because of their talents. Fact is, the people writing their contracts DO think its a big deal, this news coming out certainly makes a front office more hesitant to sign them to a big deal.

The decisions they made will cost them millions.

Dumbasses

[UK_HOG]

As a serviceman, thank you for your service. However, you seriously compare your duties in the military with professionally playing a game? The reason that you aren't allowed to use marijuana in the military is because it inhibits your performance and you are ALWAYS on duty. You smoke up, you're putting lives at risk. They smoke up, they're putting dollars at risk. There is zero comparison.

Oh, and, so you're saying that you're a convict because you've gotten a speeding ticket, right?

My point is to save your vitriol for the rapists and the dog torturers.



It works!

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 12:37 PM ----------



Yes, and if we want to play the "illegal is illegal" game, then murdering someone is just as illegal as jaywalking, right?

Jaywalkers don't get life or the death penalty.

[MarkRascadizzle]

"The Washington Redskins do not pay them the big bucks for them to go buy weed."
They also don't pay them to take craps, but they still do. And they also play football. How about that?

"First of all, weed in this day and age is laced with all sorts of other crap."
How would you know? Got evidence?

"Second of all, how are they getting it?"
How does anyone get it? Knowing a guy who knows a guy. Plus, they've got semi-celebrity status, they could probably get someone to lick their armpit if they asked nicely.

"Associating themselves with the wrong kinda people most likely."
Not everyone who's involved with weed is a terrible person believe it or not.

"As a professional football player it takes an absolute idiot to smoke weed. Both Trent and Fred are worth millions because of their talents. Fact is, the people writing their contracts DO think its a big deal, this news coming out certainly makes a front office more hesitant to sign them to a big deal."
We'll see.

"The decisions they made will cost them millions."
We'll see.

[Luca Brasi]

[QUOTE=stp240;8685476First of all, weed in this day and age is laced with all sorts of other crap. [/QUOTE]

WTF are you talking about? If it was laced with anything else, they would test positive for that substance as well. You clearly don't really know what you are talking about.

[#98QBKiller]

Jaywalkers don't get life or the death penalty.


Neither does someone smoking a joint.

[stp240]

I hope it costs them millions. Makes them easier to re-sign :D

Good point! Smoke it up boys!

[The Rook]

If you want to smoke weed, do what Ricky Williams did, don't play - go smoke weed.

BTW - there are plenty of people who have to not smoke weed for their jobs - anyone who works for a company that gets a government contract, for example.






:helmet: The Rook

[Luca Brasi]

BTW - there are plenty of people who have to not smoke weed for their jobs - anyone who works for a company that gets a government contract, for example.

HAHAHAHAHA. I hate to break it to you, but that is not even close to being true. There may be government contracts that require drug testing, but again, it's incredibly easy to pass a test. But I know countless individuals on government contracts that smoke everyday and are not tested.

[mzkp54]

I guess maybe Fred wasn't sleepy- thats just what he said when they asked why his eyes were half closed :silly:

[TD Riggo]

It is harmless. The law isn't how I determine what's right and wrong.

'' .. but Officer!"

[boofMcboof]

First of all, weed in this day and age is laced with all sorts of other crap.




The only thing weed is laced with nowadays are good times.

Amirite or amirite? :point2sky

[hitmandm]

I wonder if there are any learnings from that list of 11

[Destructis]

breaking news: young football players smoke weed.

more breaking news: who cares.

These guys are making 100's of thousands of dollars. They choose to risk that by smoking a joint? Huge dumbasses. I don't care if D. Smith told them there would be a cushion. They know it's against the rules and they could be suspended and lose game checks. It's a choice they made and now they have to live with the consequences. WTF was running through their heads? "D told me I would have extra time to get the weed out of my system so it's ok"

People always ask why players are broke a few years after retiring. This is why, dumb **** life choices.

[RonArtest15]

It's definitely not for PEDs...

womp womp.

[Destructis]

I hope it costs them millions. Makes them easier to re-sign :D

Hey Einstein, it will cost them a ton, in game checks from the suspension. Let's sign them to another contract and count on them....oops sorry they are suspended.

[Painkiller]

These guys are making 100's of thousands of dollars. They choose to risk that by smoking a joint? Huge dumbasses. I don't care if D. Smith told them there would be a cushion. They know it's against the rules and they could be suspended and lose game checks. It's a choice they made and now they have to live with the consequences. WTF was running through their heads? "D told me I would have extra time to get the weed out of my system so it's ok"

People always ask why players are broke a few years after retiring. This is why, dumb **** life choices.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. What a disgrace.

[mzkp54]

Hey Einstein, it will cost them a ton, in game checks from the suspension. Let's sign them to another contract and count on them....oops sorry they are suspended.

I read that out of the players only one is eligible to miss games, the rest will just have fines

[Backpack3r]

Phew! I thought they got caught for performance enhancers or something, thankfully it was only weed which is harmless and everyone smokes that stuff, so no big deal

[Mooka]

These guys are making 100's of thousands of dollars. They choose to risk that by smoking a joint? Huge dumbasses. I don't care if D. Smith told them there would be a cushion. They know it's against the rules and they could be suspended and lose game checks. It's a choice they made and now they have to live with the consequences. WTF was running through their heads? "D told me I would have extra time to get the weed out of my system so it's ok"

People always ask why players are broke a few years after retiring. This is why, dumb **** life choices. With the amount of junk these guys put into their bodies daily to be professional athletes, I couldn't care less about some marijuana.

The NFL shouldn't either.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

These guys are making 100's of thousands of dollars. They choose to risk that by smoking a joint? Huge dumbasses. I don't care if D. Smith told them there would be a cushion. They know it's against the rules and they could be suspended and lose game checks. It's a choice they made and now they have to live with the consequences. WTF was running through their heads? "D told me I would have extra time to get the weed out of my system so it's ok"

People always ask why players are broke a few years after retiring. This is why, dumb **** life choices.

guys are broke after they retire because they buy houses, cars, jewelry, planes, and stupid **** like this. nobody ever goes broke smoking pot lol.

put it this way, trent williams stupid diamond gorilla necklace that cost him 125k or whatever is a bigger worry than him smoking pot.

[Veretax]

Why do I have these ideas flowing through my head, maybe they 'did it' because they were duped into believing it would give them added performance, help them compete better, and for a few weeks it was working? oops, but then it wore off? Ugh, I hate hearing about our team being in trouble, but you know what, this team has me so sick at my stomach right now, I'm kind of glad the Miami game wasn't on TV. Not sure I could have stomached it.

[NewCliche21]

"The Washington Redskins do not pay them the big bucks for them to go buy weed."
They also don't pay them to take craps, but they still do. And they also play football. How about that?

You just won ExtremeSkins. Like, the whole thing. That was amazing.

[MLSKINS]

Only weed. :doh: The 90's Cowboys was doing coke and they won Super Bowls. Maybe we should........ I can't go there.

[Rabsuz]

As long as they aren't suspended I don't really care. It's naive to think that most players in this league don't smoke weed in their free time, i'd put the percentage of recreational drug use in the NFL in the high 90's. They are grown men I don't care what they do as long as it doesn't affect their play. Just don't get caught again sleepy, and especially you Trent.

[NewCliche21]

Jaywalkers don't get life or the death penalty.

Yeah, and? Illegal is illegal according to you.

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 05:18 PM ----------


guys are broke after they retire because they buy houses, cars, jewelry, planes, and stupid **** like this. nobody ever goes broke smoking pot lol.

put it this way, trent williams stupid diamond gorilla necklace that cost him 125k or whatever is a bigger worry than him smoking pot.

Where do you think he keeps his pot? Effing genius we have at left tackle . . .

[UK_HOG]

Yeah, and? Illegal is illegal according to you.

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 05:18 PM ----------



Where do you think he keeps his pot? Effing genius we have at left tackle . . .

But punishment should fit the crime. If the players have taken something on the banned substance list (it's their business to know what is on the list) then they should be punished accordingly. Maybe if the players started to behave like well paid professional athletes then they may start to play like professioinal athletes and we would actually start to look like a professional football team instead of the bunch of losers that we are.

[DC9]

Hey, check this out. What the hell is going on with this team? I would trade Trent and not re-up Fred Davis. This is absolutely rediculous.

[Destructis]

guys are broke after they retire because they buy houses, cars, jewelry, planes, and stupid **** like this. nobody ever goes broke smoking pot lol.

put it this way, trent williams stupid diamond gorilla necklace that cost him 125k or whatever is a bigger worry than him smoking pot.

Read my last comment that you quoted. "This is why, dumb **** life choices" Getting high and then being put in the drug program is a stupid ass thing to do. Again, dumb **** life choices.

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 06:19 PM ----------


:rolleyes: It'll cost them some. Not a ton. Not to them. And what exactly are we counting on them for this season? To help us win 5 games instead of 4? They don't have a history of this. It's their first time and they, stupidly, believed there would be a grace period after the lockout. It's really not that big of a deal. Move on. We have bigger issues.

They have a history of it now. They are now in the substance abuse program.

[Painkiller]

Hey, check this out. What the hell is going on with this team? I would trade Trent and not re-up Fred Davis. This is absolutely rediculous.

What the hell is up with you? Just because some young players want to smoke some weed on their own time doesn't mean anything. I'm sure their heads are in the right place. The NFL shouldn't care that they are breaking the law. The NFL should mind it's own business. Hell, even though we have a 3-6 team, at least we have 3 players who are flying the "legalize it" flag! Woo hoo! I'm so proud to root for these guys, and now at least we know why they keep "missing assignments." Hey, it's all good right? My pockets straight.

/sarcasm

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 06:23 PM ----------


They are grown men I don't care what they do as long as it doesn't affect their play.

How do you know up until now that it hasn't?

[Jeffro]

I'm going to take this one step further, these guys had assurances from the NFLPA that positive tests from the lockout wouldn't fall under the drug testing once the new CBA was signed.

What kind of stupid mother ****ers plan to break the law and try to get assurances they won't be penalized when they return to work? Funny thing is the union fosters this kind of behavior and we wonder why this country is going to hell in a hand basket.

I lost a hell of a lot of respect for 2 of our players today.

[Painkiller]

What kind of stupid mother ****ers plan to break the law and try to get assurances they won't be penalized when they return to work?

Apparently, at least 3 of our players. It's really D. Smith's fault. :rolleyes:

[Win4us]

It's definitely not for PEDs...

womp womp.

I know right, if our offense has bought/taken PEDS they got an expired batch or something lol.

As for the 3rd culprit my vote is for Macintosh...would explain why he's always a step late and whiffing on tackles.

[Boss_Hogg]

Can you blame them? I would be smoking tons of weed if I had to play with Rax and Bek.

[Warhead36]

Smoking weed is such a terrible life decision. Wanna know who else smoked weed growing up? Barrack Obama.

[Idaho fan]

When it rains, it pours.

X2

Why doesn't the team just line up and each one of them take turns kicking me in the nuts.

[Boss_Hogg]

Hey, check this out. What the hell is going on with this team? I would trade Trent and not re-up Fred Davis. This is absolutely rediculous.

trent is starting to look more and more like a bust. Fred has had some crucial drops in the past few weeks.

Still, I wouldn't cut the chord yet.

[NewCliche21]

But punishment should fit the crime. If the players have taken something on the banned substance list (it's their business to know what is on the list) then they should be punished accordingly. Maybe if the players started to behave like well paid professional athletes then they may start to play like professioinal athletes and we would actually start to look like a professional football team instead of the bunch of losers that we are.

If you're going one km over the speed limit, would an officer usually let you go? Or would you be begging for a ticket (or your equivalent) because you broke the law.

You're also insinuating that one who smokes weed is one who is incapable of being a professional. Yeah, I know a guy who scored a 43 on his MCATs. A 43. Go look up how often that happens. This guy is now an incredible doctor, and I would trust him to make decisions for my children's health. Oh, and he and his friend, a guy from around where I'm from who went to Cornell and got a degree in Computer Engineering, spent time thinking of innovative ways to smoke.

My other friend, Patrick, is now a lawyer, near top of the class, after being known as "Potrick" because of the ungodly amount of weed that he'd smoke. A lawyer. From a very high-ranking school.

I am a social worker for a child welfare agency, and when kids come in and tell me that they've smoked, I don't consider him a drug user. He's just a kid. He's one of the smartest kids that I've ever met, and he's going to do some amazing things in life.

Oh, but, he's not, right? People who smoke cannot be professionals.

[Redskin Diehard]

They knew they were going to have to report to camp at some point. 30 day grace period? Please... Most of these guys make so much money it's insane to jeopardize their future earning potential with red flags like... failed drug tests. I don't care if they were smoking a substance that's legal in 16 states and DC for medicinal purposes. It was unprofessional to report to camp with anything other than league approved substances in their system.

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 08:22 PM ----------


haha this one had me rolling.

Rolling what? lol

[Rodriggo]

Oh, but, he's not, right? People who smoke cannot be professionals.

You're right but I'd say there is a crucial difference between a pot smoking college student who turned into a successful lawyer/doctor and still maybe uses recreationally versus a dude who went to college JUST to play football and is still now using as a professional athlete EVEN THOUGH he is explicitly aware that part of his job requires stringent and consistent testing from a PR obsessed league and being caught positive would only hurt him, his team and its fans both on the field and off.

Is it too much to ask these guys not to get high while they make millions and millions of dollars playing a game? I don't think so. Terrible, terrible sign that two supposed "pillars" of the new regime are blazing up in their free time.

This team is going absolutely nowhere.

[hunterx]

This is going to blow up the nflpa. Players thought there was a 30 day wait for testing coming into camp due to the lockout and it was to be in the cba. It got left out. Going to be a lot like the cedric Benson suspension issue.

Does that matter? First, the "recreational" drugs are illegal. Second, you know you are going to be tested at some point so why are they even doing this crap right before training camp or even during training camp.

Irresponsible, and the deserve to be suspended. Way to let down the team, boys.

---------- Post added November-13th-2011 at 08:43 PM ----------

The whole point is that these guys choose to work in a world where their employers (NFL & the affiliated organizations) require drug tests. There is no excuse for these guys to do this recreationally at risk of letting their teammates and fans down by getting suspended. The NFL career is short enough, they can wait until they retire.

[worstSeat]

A little kb never hurt anybody, has it? ;)

[SAli457180]

Well, when it rains it pours. Injuries, QB problems, and now players just making dumb@ss decisions.

[skinsarel33t]

Fox said it was 3 is it possible that the 4rd with Kyle Shann?

[Beans]

No wonder the Redskins suck ass. Their supposed "future" is a collection of immature pot heads.

[skinsfan07]

I was gonna block that guy, but I got high....da da da da da

:rotflmao: I'm dyin over here haha

[Chicken Fried]

This is the reason I haven't watched a game since week 2. I log into ES once a day to see if any news has come out, then tune the team out for the rest of the day. They're off getting high in their spare time and losing when they come to work. I'm not going to waste my Sundays rooting for a bunch of losers. I've wasted enough of my life doing that as it is. Our team is a bunch of losers. I dream about one day having a team that will come out and take care of business week after week. Outside of Kerrigan and London, I'm not convinced anyone really gives a flying crap about this team. When I do watch the occasional drive, there's no pride, and there's no passion. They're boring.

And I've never been a fan of Trent. He's screamed "tool" ever since he was drafted, especially with that gorilla necklace.

[godwithanextrao]

Rolling what? lol

lmao but yeah the 3rd guy has to be beck, that dude is so slow mentally. smoked himself retarded

[Veretax]

What the hell is up with you? Just because some young players want to smoke some weed on their own time doesn't mean anything. I'm sure their heads are in the right place. The NFL shouldn't care that they are breaking the law. The NFL should mind it's own business. Hell, even though we have a 3-6 team, at least we have 3 players who are flying the "legalize it" flag! Woo hoo! I'm so proud to root for these guys, and now at least we know why they keep "missing assignments." Hey, it's all good right? My pockets straight.



You know I keep reading 'what they do on their time is their business, NFL shouldn't care'. Funny, because I know if I lit up dope, or whatever jargon they use for illegal drug use (including prescription misuse) that I would not only be in jeopardy of suspension, but termination from my current employment. Why is it that sports, because the people watch it, somehow they get different rules applied to them?

[Spunkush]

So what? i do find it funny that these are also our 2 best offensive players. So they are high and yet they're still our best.

[WVSkinsfan]

Clearly it did not have a huge impact on Fred's play, Trent on the other hand...

Yeah but do you still want a guy like that on the team? I mean this team already has enough troubles and problems and with players on the team even causing more trouble and making the Skins look even worse if possible should be dealt with in a hurry.I personally would'nt want it on my team but thats me.

[KAZEstrong]

i love how some of you are dismissing this just because it's weed.

It may seem harmless but it's still an illegal substance in this country. They broke the law.

womp womp

[Painkiller]

Why is it that sports, because the people watch it, somehow they get different rules applied to them?

Because we have a horrible case of hero-worship in this country when it comes to professional and collegiate athletics. We are all caught up in it. Penn State is another example. If the guy finds that same thing happening in a side bathroom at the corner Exxon, does he call the cops or tell the manager of the Exxon and leave?

---------- Post added November-14th-2011 at 12:31 AM ----------



And I've never been a fan of Trent. He's screamed "tool" ever since he was drafted, especially with that gorilla necklace.

Not to really pour it on the guy, but there is SOMETHING about him I haven't liked when he is interviewed. Maybe it's because he's a bit aloof. Something about his attitude doesn't sit well with me, and frankly he isn't playing well enough yet where you can just put something like that to the side.

[PerryMason]

This is going to blow up the nflpa. Players thought there was a 30 day wait for testing coming into camp due to the lockout and it was to be in the cba. It got left out. Going to be a lot like the cedric Benson suspension issue.

How bout unless you have a prescription....don't violate Federal Drug Laws. Probably a good policy even outside of the NFL. It's REALLY not that hard.

[Rickc402]

Williams is looming more and more like a fair tackle.... Not quite a bust but no franchise left tackle. Davis is having a nice year in the last year of his contract, go figure. Can't remember Samuals and Cooley pulling this crap. Not to mention I've seen Davis make alot of mistakes that no one seems to call him on, like dropping a critical third down reception in Carolina.

---------- Post added November-14th-2011 at 01:58 AM ----------

Guys it's likely Marijuana

---------- Post added November-14th-2011 at 01:58 AM ----------

Guys it's likely Marijuana

[skinsrbeast]

seems like just a mixup. Most athletes smoke weed they just do it when they aren't getting tested.

[NewCliche21]

You're right but I'd say there is a crucial difference between a pot smoking college student who turned into a successful lawyer/doctor and still maybe uses recreationally versus a dude who went to college JUST to play football and is still now using as a professional athlete EVEN THOUGH he is explicitly aware that part of his job requires stringent and consistent testing from a PR obsessed league and being caught positive would only hurt him, his team and its fans both on the field and off.

Is it too much to ask these guys not to get high while they make millions and millions of dollars playing a game? I don't think so. Terrible, terrible sign that two supposed "pillars" of the new regime are blazing up in their free time.

This team is going absolutely nowhere.


No wonder the Redskins suck ass. Their supposed "future" is a collection of immature pot heads.


You know I keep reading 'what they do on their time is their business, NFL shouldn't care'. Funny, because I know if I lit up dope, or whatever jargon they use for illegal drug use (including prescription misuse) that I would not only be in jeopardy of suspension, but termination from my current employment. Why is it that sports, because the people watch it, somehow they get different rules applied to them?


Yeah but do you still want a guy like that on the team? I mean this team already has enough troubles and problems and with players on the team even causing more trouble and making the Skins look even worse if possible should be dealt with in a hurry.I personally would'nt want it on my team but thats me.


Williams is looming more and more like a fair tackle.... Not quite a bust but no franchise left tackle. Davis is having a nice year in the last year of his contract, go figure. Can't remember Samuals and Cooley pulling this crap. Not to mention I've seen Davis make alot of mistakes that no one seems to call him on, like dropping a critical third down reception in Carolina.

This is absolutely embarrassing, boys. Every day, literally every single day, I work with people who have addictions to crack, smack, X, acid, meth, PCP, and the rest. They **** up their families, beat their kids, and have prison cells with their names on them. I also work with people with the same addictions, formerly or currently, who are incredible parents, brilliant college students, and extraordinarily productive members of society.

You guys really want to ***** about guys smoking a little weed? Perspective, man. It's not that big of a deal. I'm not Christian, but isn't there something about glass houses and stones? Not putting people up on a cross? Being careful scaling their ivory towers or riding on a horse as high as, well, I think that you get the point.

Here's a reality check: Name ten people you look up to. Politicians, musicians, artists, anyone. You think that none of them smoked at some point (that Cooley comment blew my mind; out of all of the people on the team, COOLEY hasn't smoked a time or two?)? As of 2009, 42% of kids in 12th grade have smoked. Yeah, that's YOUR son, that's YOUR daughter. That's YOUR niece, that's YOUR nephew. Piss-poor attitudes on the topic are why this happens, because nobody wants to talk to adults who demonize others for doing something relatively harmless. It's the same reason that YOUR kids are doing the things in the backseats of their cars that YOU don't know about.

I don't smoke weed. I never have. I think that it's disgusting, it's stupid, it's expensive, and it's a waste of time. That's also my viewpoint on being a fan of the Dallas Cowboys. But I know a lot of people who do both and are good people.

If you want to define people by a pretty non-issue vice, then take a look at yourselves in your twenties, look at your mistakes, and make sure that you tell your children that they are defined by their mistakes, not by their accomplishments. What an A+ way to live life, right?

---------- Post added November-14th-2011 at 06:35 AM ----------


seems like just a mixup. Most athletes smoke weed they just do it when they aren't getting tested.

No they don't. Just like nobody on this board speeds, ever. Or has ever stepped on an ant. Or farted at an inappropriate time and blamed someone else.

Everyone's perfect except for people who smoke up at some point.

[hawgboy]

Why is it that sports, because the people watch it, somehow they get different rules applied to them?

I could ask you, why is it that nowdays the only people who AREN'T forced to do drug tests are the people who allow us to be tested against our will (ie elected officials)?

[RVAbrendan]

It's 2011. People, a lot of people, smoke pot. If the NBA's drug-testing included marijuana, there would cease to be a league. The owners know this.

It's not like Fred is getting high on Sunday at 12:45.

[Boss_Hogg]

I was gonna block that guy, but I got high....da da da da da

Best post of the year!

[Stadium-Armory]

Its not about weed being legal or not. Marijuana is legal in Colorado if you have the proper paper work (aka "the card"). But Bronco players are still tested for it because its on the NFL list of banned substances. One could debate whether it makes sense for marijuana to be on that list, but until its removed, the players will be responsible for not having any of it in their bodies.

I personally don't have a problem with responsible adults smoking weed, but the NFL does, and in that context, these guys should exercise better judgement. It doesn't tell me that they're bad, immoral people, but it does tell me that they're immature enough to not realize how the actions can hurt the team, considering they might miss playing time. That is not a team-first attitude.

[Skins4life88]

That explains those drops and lazy route running.

[skinsmarydu]

Seriously? And just when we thought it couldn't get any worse...

[mojo]

This entire team has tested positive for vagina.

[Goingforburgundy]

Im hoping for a single game suspension. Against Minny :) Best chance for loosing.


This entire team has tested positive for vagina.

Lol what?

[SkinsNoles21]

Yeah but do you still want a guy like that on the team? I mean this team already has enough troubles and problems and with players on the team even causing more trouble and making the Skins look even worse if possible should be dealt with in a hurry.I personally would'nt want it on my team but thats me.

We couldn't field an NFL team if we avoided all players who smoke weed.

[Rocky21]

I watch the games. I knew those guys were stoned.

[Thiebear]

ToeJam musta smoked weed before doing that analogy.


This entire team has tested positive for vagina.

better.

[Destructis]

You guys really want to ***** about guys smoking a little weed? Perspective, man. It's not that big of a deal. I'm not Christian, but isn't there something about glass houses and stones? Not putting people up on a cross? Being careful scaling their ivory towers or riding on a horse as high as, well, I think that you get the point.

From my perspective, these guys are making close to or over millions of dollars a year. They have the stay in shape, play football and follow the rules of the team and the league. That's it. You give me millions of dollars a year and I won't even drink a beer if you tell me not too. As long as I am making that kind of money I could give up a "vice". Hell if you paid me millions of dollars a year, I wouldn't even have sex if you said no.

The perspective is simple, follow the rules and you get paid. These two dumbasses couldn't do that. Sorry, but I feel nothing but disdain for them at this point.

[Veretax]

I could ask you, why is it that nowdays the only people who AREN'T forced to do drug tests are the people who allow us to be tested against our will (ie elected officials)?

I think you'd have a very good case for that. Frankly stats here in WV have shown that Rx Drug Abuse is actually surpassing the totally illegal drugs like marijuana.

[glongest]

I have to think that the coaches on this team are not happy that two of thier promising players on offense are caught up in this. I think it creates further concern for Trent. He was drafted to be a leader on this team. He has now been injured and out multiple games in his first two seasons. You have to question his durability. It seems like almost every week he commits a penalty at a critical time in the red zone that seems to stale a drive. And now this, yet another distraction and a question about his judgement. It is hard to make a case in my view that he has lived up to all the hype. I dont know how these test work as to if it was just a few teams that were tested or it was a random sample but if it was a random large sample and 30% of the players caught were Redskins, to me this is a bigger concern in that there may be larger issues out there.

[glongest]

From my perspective, these guys are making close to or over millions of dollars a year. They have the stay in shape, play football and follow the rules of the team and the league. That's it. You give me millions of dollars a year and I won't even drink a beer if you tell me not too. As long as I am making that kind of money I could give up a "vice". Hell if you paid me millions of dollars a year, I wouldn't even have sex if you said no.

The perspective is simple, follow the rules and you get paid. These two dumbasses couldn't do that. Sorry, but I feel nothing but disdain for them at this point.


I agree with you. These guys were drafted and have been identified as leaders on this team. So if this is how your leaders show leadership, then you get what you have, a bad football team.

[SiCk_DiAbLo]

Damn Stoners, there everywhere!!!

[Lavarleap56]

More than 2..

[jnhay]

Hmm.

I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe someone like Jerry Sandusky would?

Guess I'm just a square, wanting to abide by the law and all that. :)
That's crazy talk. With this logic, you'd have to say that the Jim Crow laws were morally right until they were done away with.

[cphil006]

crap. I would hope they'd be doing some HGH to get better because they aren't testing for it, yet.

---------- Post added November-15th-2011 at 09:24 AM ----------

This is like an injury, because they won't play. Is the season over? YES. We've hit our ceiling. We'll fight for another win this season, but we'll do it with rookies to see who really wants it.

[grhqofb5]

More than 2..

Uh oh... Please elaborate.

[c4man5282]

Russellmania980 Chris Russell
A league source says they still can't say anything about Trent Williams. Another source this am, says they heard 4-6 games. No confirmation


If true we might be able to see what Willie Smith can do.

[Destructis]

Unless Willie Smith is one of them.

I hope Shanny sticks with being consistent in how he handles it. I don't want him to make an example out of one of them, for example a low round draft pick or someone who has been around a while and is not a starter. If he chooses to cut or trade one of them, I hope he does it across the board no matter how much talent that person has. It would hurt the Skins short term, but help them long term and set the standard.

[mojo]

Unless Willie Smith is one of them.

I hope Shanny sticks with being consistent in how he handles it. I don't want him to make an example out of one of them, for example a low round draft pick or someone who has been around a while and is not a starter. If he chooses to cut or trade one of them, I hope he does it across the board no matter how much talent that person has. It would hurt the Skins short term, but help them long term and set the standard.

I'd be fine getting rid of Trent Williams. I'm really starting to dislike the guy. Not to mention, his play has been average at best.

[The Sean and Laron show]

More than 2..

Yep.
One player picked up some sour diesel off my connect a few weeks back.

[c4man5282]

Unless Willie Smith is one of them.

I hope Shanny sticks with being consistent in how he handles it. I don't want him to make an example out of one of them, for example a low round draft pick or someone who has been around a while and is not a starter. If he chooses to cut or trade one of them, I hope he does it across the board no matter how much talent that person has. It would hurt the Skins short term, but help them long term and set the standard.

If I read this right you are implying that the other 11 players are Redskins too? I believe it is 11 other NFL players. Adam just knew of Williams and Davis probably because of his ties to Shanny.

[Destructis]

If I read this right you are implying that the other 11 players are Redskins too? I believe it is 11 other NFL players. Adam just knew of Williams and Davis probably because of his ties to Shanny.

Not at all. I heard 4 during the game. I am just saying that I don't want Shanny to cut someone like Willie Smith and saying he is setting the standard, and leave the others there. I just want everyone held to the same standard or we will end up in a situation like we had before.

Edit: I am not saying Smith is one of them, just used him as an example.

[c4man5282]

Not at all. I heard 4 during the game. I am just saying that I don't want Shanny to cut someone like Willie Smith and saying he is setting the standard, and leave the others there. I just want everyone held to the same standard or we will end up in a situation like we had before.

Edit: I am not saying Smith is one of them, just used him as an example.

Ok. Got you. I agree 100% with that statement then.

[Destructis]

Ok. Got you. I agree 100% with that statement then.

ROFL I saw your twitter post about people not refreshing on ES and had to come back to make sure I didn't miss something when I answered you.

It's tough at work sometimes because I start a post and then something comes up here and finish the post 10 minutes later.

[GO HAMSKINS]

Let go guys! Lets get it together! We need both Trent, And FD83 out there producing. Hopefully this will all blow over soon my heart was crushed when I heard the news about Hank85 injury

[paloosa]

whether it was recreational or performance enhancing drugs it is still a drug. What difference does it make if they get suspended or fined or both. It is just proof that these guys aren't dedicated enough to their job and team to make sure they make an impact. I guess they thought that the CBA they were bargaining for was called the Columbian Bong Agreement. "Smoke em up boys! We are going to have a clause in there to have a 30 day grace period before testing. OOOOPPPPSSS! I got so high I forgot the clause. My bad!"

[c4man5282]

ROFL I saw your twitter post about people not refreshing on ES and had to come back to make sure I didn't miss something when I answered you.

It's tough at work sometimes because I start a post and then something comes up here and finish the post 10 minutes later.

Oh no that was about all the threads being started about the Peyton Manning trade rumor.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Not to really pour it on the guy, but there is SOMETHING about him I haven't liked when he is interviewed. Maybe it's because he's a bit aloof. Something about his attitude doesn't sit well with me, and frankly he isn't playing well enough yet where you can just put something like that to the side.

You're not the only one.

Biggest contract on the roster.

Act like a pro' and set the standard, a bit higher than you are now Trent.

[Bang]

Unless Willie Smith is one of them.

I hope Shanny sticks with being consistent in how he handles it. I don't want him to make an example out of one of them, for example a low round draft pick or someone who has been around a while and is not a starter. If he chooses to cut or trade one of them, I hope he does it across the board no matter how much talent that person has. It would hurt the Skins short term, but help them long term and set the standard.

Jimmy Johnson once cut a low level linebacker for being late to a meeting that Troy Aikman was also late for.
When someone asked him why he didn't treat them equally he said "Because they are not equal".

And that is how it is in pro football.

~Bang

[IONTOP]

Any word on whether or not Fletcher is one of the players?

[Destructis]

More than 2..

They said 4 Skins during the game. I also heard on twitter from one of you guys that the suspensions are coming down now and that we will get looks at a few of the younger guys. The words used were "it's going to get ugly"

---------- Post added November-15th-2011 at 03:40 PM ----------


Jimmy Johnson once cut a low level linebacker for being late to a meeting that Troy Aikman was also late for.
When someone asked him why he didn't treat them equally he said "Because they are not equal".

And that is how it is in pro football.

~Bang

And you just showed why I don't have much respect for Jimmy Johnson. I want the players to work and earn everything. Set the same standard for each and every player. If he can't live up to that standard, then he shouldn't be here.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

And you just showed why I don't have much respect for Jimmy Johnson. I want the players to work and earn everything. Set the same standard for each and every player. If he can't live up to that standard, then he shouldn't be here.

I have a relationship I want you to ponder.

Joe Gibbs-John Riggins.

Do you think Gibbs would have been okay with a third stringer falling asleep and pissing himself during film sessions? Probably not. But he let Riggins do it.

[Lavarleap56]

Dirty means dirty

[terrifNick21]

Any word on whether or not Fletcher is one of the players?

It's Sav Rocca.













:rotflmao:

[NLC1054]

Dirty means dirty

So you're saying LaRon's on the list then.

Completely not shocking.

[Renegade7]

Am I wrong for not caring if my players smoke weed? They could be doing much worse crap then that, like coke or heroin. I'm just glad it wasn't PEDs, and this is just another story we'll all smack our foreheads about when it's legalized. Meh...

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Well, what a trio that would make.

Change in culture, right.

[santana_4_prez]

Sweet, 3 of our best players. The season gets better every time I check the web...maybe that is karma telling me to get more work done and quit surfing...

[NLC1054]

Am I wrong for not caring if my players smoke weed? They could be doing much worse crap then that, like coke or heroin. I'm just glad it wasn't PEDs, and this is just another story we'll all smack our foreheads about when it's legalized. Meh...

That, and it's kind of bogus the league disciplined players for stuff the players did when they technically weren't employees. Still, rules are rules, and if you break the rules, you get in trouble, period.

[Llevron]

This season really blows. If these guys get suspended we really wont win another game.

Sounds fun until its guaranteed to happen. :(

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Am I wrong for not caring if my players smoke weed? They could be doing much worse crap then that, like coke or heroin. I'm just glad it wasn't PEDs, and this is just another story we'll all smack our foreheads about when it's legalized. Meh...

You're not wrong at all. Morally, it's up to everyone to figure out how they feel about it themselves. However, when it comes to doing something that these players know can get them suspended, fans aren't wrong for caring about that. What I find fortunate is that this crap is happening now. To be honest, if we lose Trent Williams and Fred Davis for 4 games in December of 2011, oh well.

Hopefully these guys figure out a way to live their lives and continue to contribute to our Redskins. If they have to stop smoking to be great players, that's what I want as a fan. They aren't my friends, they play for the team I've loved for almost 30 years.

[Renegade7]

You're not wrong at all. Morally, it's up to everyone to figure out how they feel about it themselves. However, when it comes to doing something that these players know can get them suspended, fans aren't wrong for caring about that. What I find fortunate is that this crap is happening now. To be honest, if we lose Trent Williams and Fred Davis for 4 games in December of 2011, oh well.

Hopefully these guys figure out a way to live their lives and continue to contribute to our Redskins. If they have to stop smoking to be great players, that's what I want as a fan. They aren't my friends, they play for the team I've loved for almost 30 years.

Valid point.

A lot of people argue, for example, Ricky Williams had his career screwed up because NFL wouldn't let him smoke weed. Reality is Ricky screwed his own career because he wouldn't stop smoking, which was against NFL substance abuse policy. Rules are rules, even if they suck. I'd like to see the players make a move on this issue at some point (maybe next labor deal), but in the meantime, more good news for the "suck for Luck" crew. :doh:

[Destructis]

Something that bothers me about this is the poor decision making. If they are making poor decisions in their personal lives, how can they be expected to make good ones on the field. That is a trust thing. I am sure others on the team are disappointed in them, along with the coaching staff.

Personally, I feel let down and a little angry at them. There haven't been a lot of Skins suspended for substances, be it PEDS or recreational. I had some pride in that. Now after this, if all three of them get suspended, we are just going to be more of a laughing stock. Now I am starting to feel like we are like those Cowboy teams I hated so much with things like Irvin getting a hotel room with hookers and blow. Now fans can point at the Skins and say it's just another symptom of the culture here in DC. It wasn't long ago that they said this was a team of partiers and I had hoped that stigma would remain gone.

I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this, but I would love to see Shanny and Allen trade every one of them. I want them gone. The Skins need to be restored to what they once were.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I'll add to my previous point (I've said this a time or two in the past)...

Too many fans on these boards seem to really get invested in the guys playing for the Redskins. I read things all the time like "they're so funny" or "who cares if they have a quirky personality" or "would you really study game tape all the time if you were a 25-year old with millions?" and other things.

My answer is simple...I have no clue what I would do and it's unfair, but I want 53 guys who are like Peyton Manning and are gym-rat-nerds about football. I don't hang out with these people. I don't need them to crack clever jokes at parties or have an educated opinion about current events. I need them to be better than the guys in the other jersey on Sundays. Period. So, if they have to abstain from drugs, stay at the facility 12 hours per day, be boring, etc. then that's perfectly fine with me.

[NLC1054]

Something that bothers me about this is the poor decision making. If they are making poor decisions in their personal lives, how can they be expected to make good ones on the field. That is a trust thing. I am sure others on the team are disappointed in them, along with the coaching staff.

Personally, I feel let down and a little angry at them. There haven't been a lot of Skins suspended for substances, be it PEDS or recreational. I had some pride in that. Now after this, if all three of them get suspended, we are just going to be more of a laughing stock. Now I am starting to feel like we are like those Cowboy teams I hated so much with things like Irvin getting a hotel room with hookers and blow. Now fans can point at the Skins and say it's just another symptom of the culture here in DC. It wasn't long ago that they said this was a team of partiers and I had hoped that stigma would remain gone.

I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this, but I would love to see Shanny and Allen trade every one of them. I want them gone. The Skins need to be restored to what they once were.

Pfft. It ain't like the Redskins have been boy scouts in the past. And one of the things other teams in the league have said about us in recent history is that our guys were more concerned with partying than anything else. Shanahan already kicked out most of the guys who were more concerned with partying than anything else. But the Redskins haven't been "what they were" in 20 years.

If it makes you feel better, Fred and LaRon are both free agents this offseason.

---------- Post added November-15th-2011 at 04:43 PM ----------



My answer is simple...I have no clue what I would do and it's unfair, but I want 53 guys who are like Peyton Manning and are gym-rat-nerds about football. I don't hang out with these people. I don't need them to crack clever jokes at parties or have an educated opinion about current events. I need them to be better than the guys in the other jersey on Sundays. Period. So, if they have to abstain from drugs, stay at the facility 12 hours per day, be boring, etc. then that's perfectly fine with me.

It's funny, because Brian Orakpo AND Coach Shanahan have BOTH said they want to have the most boring team in the league.

I'd gladly settle for boring at this point.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Now fans can point at the Skins and say it's just another symptom of the culture here in DC. It wasn't long ago that they said this was a team of partiers and I had hoped that stigma would remain gone.

I agree with your sentiment - You potentially have 3 players who should be the future of this organisation. And its not like we are talking about dozens being turned over, it could be 3 or 4 from 11 in total.

Where's the culture change. This will embarrass Shanahan. Should be interesting to see how it unfolds.

[NLC1054]

I agree with your sentiment - You potentially have 3 players who should be the future of this organisation. And its not like we are talking about dozens being turned over, it could be 3 or 4 from 11 in total.

Where's the culture change. This will embarrass Shanahan. Should be interesting to see how it unfolds.

How is something that occured during a lockout shortened season where Mike had no contact or ability to control his players going to embarass Shanahan?

These are grown ass men. They know right for wrong. Mike's got nothing to do with it, and two of those three guys are hangovers from the last administration. Trent should really know better, but still; don't see how that's Mike's fault.

[mojo]

It's funny, because Brian Orakpo AND Coach Shanahan have BOTH said they want to have the most boring team in the league.

I'd gladly settle for boring at this point.

I watched the last 3 games. They've succeeded.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

How is something that occured during a lockout shortened season where Mike had no contact or ability to control his players going to embarass Shanahan?

These are grown ass men. They know right for wrong. Mike's got nothing to do with it, and two of those three guys are hangovers from the last administration. Trent should really know better, but still; don't see how that's Mike's fault.

32 teams. Only 11 players facing the music. And a third could be be Redskins. I'd expect Shanahan to be embarrassed. Especially when 2 could be guys looking for FA contracts. It's dumb & unprofessional. And that will reflect badly on Shanahan, as a coach who is supposed to be turning this place and culture around, imo.

[Destructis]

But the Redskins haven't been "what they were" in 20 years.


Odd but that is when we were winning. Who woulda thunk it.

[NLC1054]

32 teams. Only 11 players facing the music. And a third could be be Redskins. I'd expect Shanahan to be embarrassed. Especially when 2 could be guys looking for FA contracts. It's dumb & unprofessional. And that will reflect badly on Shanahan, as a coach who is supposed to be turning this place and culture around, imo.

Only if you look at it from a short sighted standpoint. What if we've got four players but the Jets have 7 or something?

I don't think Shanahan will be happy, but I doubt he'll be embarassed. Like I said; these a grown men. Grown men, in a lock out situation, far away from Redskins Park where Mike can keep an eye on them and tell them not to frak up. I'm not worried about what people on the outside think about the culture change around here. They're going to laugh at us until we start winning. Really don't see how this reflects badly on Mike at all. He had no control over any of these guys during the lockout.

[stevemcqueen1]

Clearly it did not have a huge impact on Fred's play, Trent on the other hand...

... has been playing well this season.

[flexxskins]

If this was done during the offseason, who cares? But, if this was done during the regular season, then this just makes Ryan Clark's statements look all the more credible about Redskins players caring more about partying than winning. We've all seen games where it looked like our players simply didn't care about winning and just wanted the game to end.

[NewCliche21]

From my perspective, these guys are making close to or over millions of dollars a year. They have the stay in shape, play football and follow the rules of the team and the league. That's it. You give me millions of dollars a year and I won't even drink a beer if you tell me not too. As long as I am making that kind of money I could give up a "vice". Hell if you paid me millions of dollars a year, I wouldn't even have sex if you said no.

The perspective is simple, follow the rules and you get paid. These two dumbasses couldn't do that. Sorry, but I feel nothing but disdain for them at this point.

I'm not saying that they aren't dumbasses.

I'm saying that the reaction is extremely overblown.

[Destructis]

I'm not saying that they aren't dumbasses.

I'm saying that the reaction is extremely overblown.

Except for the fact that now they are facing suspension. It's not only affecting them, but their teammates, the coaches and the fans.

I am really disappointed in them. I know they don't give a **** that I am disappointed in them. It bothers me because I have been a fan since I was a little kid. I remember all those threads about how people would say "Mike you are losing me" and would laugh at those threads because I never thought I could not be a fan. I will get over it, but at the same time, this is the first time that I am not totally sure. I am just going to take a wait and see how the Skins handle it. I really can't explain my feelings on this and I have backspaced out a few lines already. Shanny said he wants to build a high character team with a lot of heart. It's put up or shut up time for him. He believes people should come in with a clean slate and I agree with that. These three just **** all over the slate.

[RiggosMohawk]

As long as the positive tests were collected before the regular season, I don't really care as long as Fred and Trent are first-time offenders. They'll lose two game checks and better keep their asses clean from now on.

As for the rumors of a redskin who's a repeat offender... now I've got an issue. Lockout or not, "30 day grace period" or not, you know you've had your one "get outta jail free" card. Completely irresponsible from a professional standpoint.

Edit: everything that I can find says that albeit special circumstances (i.e. an arrest), a first-time offense for recreational drugs only carries a fine but no suspension. I think the rumors and discussion of suspensions for Trent and Fred are unfounded then

[NewCliche21]

Except for the fact that now they are facing suspension. It's not only affecting them, but their teammates, the coaches and the fans.

I am really disappointed in them. I know they don't give a **** that I am disappointed in them. It bothers me because I have been a fan since I was a little kid. I remember all those threads about how people would say "Mike you are losing me" and would laugh at those threads because I never thought I could not be a fan. I will get over it, but at the same time, this is the first time that I am not totally sure. I am just going to take a wait and see how the Skins handle it. I really can't explain my feelings on this and I have backspaced out a few lines already. Shanny said he wants to build a high character team with a lot of heart. It's put up or shut up time for him. He believes people should come in with a clean slate and I agree with that. These three just **** all over the slate.

Again: It is extremely overblown.

If this were the Rapist or the Dog Torturer, then I understand. However, this is smoking a joint. The reaction is, to ironically put it mildly, excessive.

For people who are saying that three of the eleven are Redskins, and that this means that it was *ONLY* these eleven who were smoking pot at ANY point, are just idiots. I'm sorry, I want to frame it positively, but that is simply idiotic and a spade is a spade. They are far from the only ones. Just because you know about it doesn't mean that they're the ELEVEN players, in a league with 1792 players on active rosters, who smoked up this offseason. They're just dumb enough to have been caught.

There are three types of drivers: Those who speed, those who speed and get caught, and those who need to stay in the right lane at all times. I'm guessing that we as a fanbase are comprised more of the first two. Again, stones and glass houses and whatnot.

I hope that Shanahan is smart enough to realize that kids make mistakes. I also hope that some people posting on this board, not just directed at you, Destructis, try to remember that they made mistakes, too. Your income or title or role doesn't matter.

[Destructis]

Why aren't the websites really talking about this? Nothing really on ESPN, SI, FOX or CBS sports. If we are talking about, I am sure they know more than we do.

---------- Post added November-15th-2011 at 06:11 PM ----------


I hope that Shanahan is smart enough to realize that kids make mistakes. I also hope that some people posting on this board, not just directed at you, Destructis, try to remember that they made mistakes, too. Your income or title or role doesn't matter.

I am not offended by what you are saying at all. I knew before I said that I hoped they traded all three of them that I would get people calling me an idiot. I actually expected more backlash. I do understand your point. You are are looking at the big picture in that 11 failed. I am looking at it a little smaller. I don't give a crap about the other 8 on other teams. I care about the 3 on the Skins. It is a reflection of the team and I am disappointed in them. I do hope Shanny does something about it to show that it is unacceptable to do that as a Skin.

I am not anti drug. Hell I pretty much did everything but shoot up into my early 20's. I made my mistakes. I quit smoking weed in my late 20's because I knew how much I had to lose if I got busted. When I had my daughter, I realized I could lose my job if I got busted. If I didn't have a job, then I couldn't take care of her.

People do make mistakes and I understand that. But when you make a mistake, expect to pay a penalty for it. I do get what you are saying and we will have to agree to disagree. I don't feel as though I am overblowing it. It is what it is.

[RonArtest15]

Trent and Fred getting 4 games each...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/report-redskins-trent-williams-and-fred-davis-to-be-suspended-for-four-games/2011/12/04/gIQAZJ6tSO_blog.html?wprss=football-insider

[thebluefood]

Trent and Fred getting 4 games each...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/report-redskins-trent-williams-and-fred-davis-to-be-suspended-for-four-games/2011/12/04/gIQAZJ6tSO_blog.html?wprss=football-insider

http://blog.burlwalker.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Nancy-Reagan-Just-say-no.jpg

*sigh* Damn it.

[Hubbs]

So the Post story said that they failed drug tests after the "grace period" set up when the lockout was over. Any chance they could appeal on the grounds that the grace period wasn't long enough?

[Tarheel_Skin]

I wonder how this effects Fred Davis contract situation? Anyone know what it is currently?

[michiskin]

Just pointing out that we can't pick and choose which laws not to follow just because we don't agree with them.

Tell that to the good folks operating the Underground Railroad back in the 1800s...

[ACW]

Drinking alcohol: legal, no suspension
Shoving a guy's head into the ground and stomping him: 2 games
Smoking something that's safer than alcohol: 4 games

:doh:

EDIT: They should know better though. Dumb law, but it IS the law.

EDIT 2: Luckily I have Jermichael on my bench.

[Backpack3r]

Should be legalized anyway. Everytime i use it i always think, why the hell is this illegal lol?

[NoCalMike]

It's ridiculous, but at least it seems like the suspension will be for the rest of 2011 (4 games left this season) and won't affect 2012 at all.

---------- Post added December-4th-2011 at 07:39 PM ----------

via Twitter

granthpaulsen Grant Paulsen

For what it's worth: On the reported suspensions of Davis and Williams, via e-mail from an NFL spokesperson: "We are declining comment."

[SWFLSkins]

Should be legalized anyway. Everytime i use it i always think, why the hell is this illegal lol?

While I don't disagree with you at all, when your job requires a certain behavior you would be considered a fool to screw it up and not do as needed.

[Backpack3r]

While I don't disagree with you at all, when your job requires a certain behavior you would be considered a fool to screw it up and not do as needed.

True that true that

[#98QBKiller]

I wonder how this effects Fred Davis contract situation? Anyone know what it is currently?

Best sig ever

[shakinaiken]

good i hope everyone is happy on ES that we're finally running the ball... for about a yard and a half. No more complaints please

haha wrong thread. thought i was in the gameday thread

[TheShredSkinz]

redeye redskins

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Yet if they tested positive for alcohol it'd be okay under the law. I'd rather have them smoking pot than getting drunk.

nah, not me.

[CPORTISFAN999]

they're only subject to fines.. although it isnt very comforting that they are smoking weed in the offseason, considering their reputations for being slackers

well, what else did they have to do? the lockout was in effect, they couldnt practice at redskins park. there was nothing to slack off on

[ConnSKINS26]

nah, not me.

Why?

---------- Post added December-4th-2011 at 04:41 PM ----------


So the Post story said that they failed drug tests after the "grace period" set up when the lockout was over. Any chance they could appeal on the grounds that the grace period wasn't long enough?

They can't appeal at all because it was part of a deal struck between the NFL and NFLPA.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Who would've thought in Week 1 that by Week 13, Trent Williams, Leonard Hankerson, Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Kory Lichensteiger and Tim Hightower would be out for the season?

[Destructis]

I wonder how this effects Fred Davis contract situation? Anyone know what it is currently?

I think he just lost his guaranteed money or at the very least he will have a clause in his contract saying if he fails another drug test that he has to pay it back. What a dumbass thing to do in a contract year. He fails another one and it's a year long suspension. I hope smoking weed was worth the millions Freddie.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Per 980, from a SI report, 4 game ban for each. Done for the year. Williams already accepted it, awaiting Davis' reaction. They only played today as the written confirmation came too late.

I'll reserve comment on my feelings as it's un-PC on here to be happy their done for the year. I will say it's a complete joke on the pair to be caught for a third time. Just as you thought the culture was changing.

Hail.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Why?

alcohols not illegal...duh.

[SWFLSkins]

Who would've thought in Week 1 that by Week 13, Trent Williams, Leonard Hankerson, Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Kory Lichensteiger and Tim Hightower would be out for the season?


Throw in Jenkins as well, nobody would have thought that and the press doesn't even talk about it. If it were the Cowboys it would be there escape clause on any lose or a atta boy on any win.

[ConnSKINS26]

alcohols not illegal...duh.

I took his comment as being "if both were okay, I'd rather my players smoke weed than get drunk".

Obviously by the current rules/laws, you'd rather your players not...ya know, break them.

[ACW]

I took his comment as being "if both were okay, I'd rather my players smoke weed than get drunk".:yes:

[thesubmittedone]

I really, really like both of those guys. But, man, that's just stupid and immature. Shame on them.

[Operations]

I can't be outraged. Weed should be legal.

[ConnSKINS26]

I can't be outraged. Weed should be legal.

You should be outraged they weren't good enough teammates to not get caught. They were stupid, and whether you disagree or not, it was selfish of them to not take care of their business.

Especially ****ing stupid of Davis in a contract year.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Throw in Jenkins as well, nobody would have thought that and the press doesn't even talk about it. If it were the Cowboys it would be there escape clause on any lose or a atta boy on any win.

Oh most definitely -- but those players were just on offense. And we already had bottom-10 talent to begin the season

all it means is that everyone will sleep on us again next year, even if/when we add that sexy rookie franchise QB

[Bobbyst21]

While it is about the farthest from a performance enhancing drug that one can get minus heroin, it is still at this point an illegal drug. Its a complete joke to be in position to make that much friggin money and cant stay away from a couple tokes. Man i hope they got high as gas to justify how much money they just lost over it.

[robotfire]

They are addicts. Addicts do stupid things like this all the time. They will not straighten up until they get help. Dr. Drew would love to have them on his show!

EDIT: More people go to rehab for marijuana abuse than any other drug. These guys really do need to take this seriously, or they will not be on the team much longer. It is not about them being "too stupid" to stop. They need help.

[RWJ]

Bunch of Dinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want to be an idiot? Wait until your career is over with and then polute your lungs with smoke?

[skinsfan51]

Who was it that played for the 'Skins in recent years and said after he left, "The Redskins aren't concerned about winning. All they want to do is party. They aren't serious."

It looks like he was right. This organization is a disaster and has been for years. It starts a the top. We are one of the toilet-bowl teams of the NFL. I'm ashamed to be a fan. And some out here get upset at the supposed "biased media against the Redskins." When we stop being a joke we'll be taken seriously. Until then, don't expect much winning for the unseen future.

As for the players themselves, very, very selfish. They put themselves before their team, and that is inexcusable.

[Boss_Hogg]

Well, atlas the Suk for Luk crowd is happy.

4-12 here we cm

[Skinsfan4life83]

Really this thread is THIS long? It's just weed. I would rather them be high then out drinking and driving.


Nothing to see here. Move along.

[RWJ]

Really this thread is THIS long? It's just weed. I would rather them be high then out drinking and driving.


Nothing to see here. Move along.



Dude, weed is elligal substance! You condone it? All that do are wrong! When and if it is medically excepted as a treatment for those who need it then we can talk about it. Until then, those who say it's ok are WRONG! Plain and simple.

[issapunk]

I can't imagine being banged up to hell after a game and not going home and smoking. All this is making it seem like they were killing dogs or something...

[Dirt]

I agree with the 'it's just weed' sentiment, but the reason these guys are in trouble it for multiple offenses. Which shows stubbornness and a '**** it I do what I want" attitude. Can't do it, sorry fellas.

[clskinsfan]

Really this thread is THIS long? It's just weed. I would rather them be high then out drinking and driving.


Nothing to see here. Move along.

Yeah. except when it cost you 4 games and hurts the team. ridiculous.

[UK_HOG]

Really this thread is THIS long? It's just weed. I would rather them be high then out drinking and driving.


Nothing to see here. Move along.

So you are happy with 2 players getting a 4 match ban.:doh:

[FuriousD]

Really this thread is THIS long? It's just weed. I would rather them be high then out drinking and driving.


Nothing to see here. Move along.

:doh: You are a putz! (and a stoner obviously) What if the Redskins were finally having the breakout season we've been craving and were tied for 1st place with Dallas right now? How would you feel then? No big deal?

Thank god we're out of it right now or this would be 1000 times worse and William's and Davis would be crucified!

[CrabR]

just heard it is their 3rd offense each. If that is true I would Leary of resigning Davis to anything other than a 1 yr with an option. Or with no guaranteed money.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

These guys are idiots. both with three failed tests already in thier careers.

Our franchise LT, with his $60m contract, misses one in every three games through 2 years. And i guess he's one failed test away from a years ban. Time to get a decent back-up at LT.

As for Davis, in a contract year, God, it's just stupid.

These are supposed to be cornerstones of out future. I said earlier in the thread that Mike Shanahan will be embarassed & got shot down for stating so.

Can't wait to see what he says about this.

[ConnSKINS26]

Really this thread is THIS long? It's just weed. I would rather them be high then out drinking and driving.


Nothing to see here. Move along.

There is certainly SOMETHING to see here, no matter how you feel about the illegality of weed.

Ya know, because two of our players are suspended for the rest of the season. That's something.

[frankez99]

Drug addicts deserve to be suspended. There's no place for that garbage......

It's illegal and destructive to the team; thanks a lot idiots.

[Monte51Coleman]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7315213/sources-fred-davis-trent-williams-washington-redskins-facing-4-game-lockout-drug-ban

Sources: NFL, union reach ban deal

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN

Washington Redskins offensive tackle Trent Williams and tight end Fred Davis are facing four-game suspensions following a lockout-related drug-test settlement between the league and the NFL Players Association, according to sources.

According to the sources, Williams and Davis were two of 11 players that tested positive for recreational drugs shortly after the lockout ended this summer. As part of the settlement, the sources said, the other nine positive tests by unidentified players will be nullified.

Williams and Davis are considered repeat offenders, according to the sources, and would have faced one-year bans under normal circumstances.

According to sources, both the league and the NFLPA were awaiting word from Davis on whether the fourth-year player will agree to the settlement, but if Davis were to decline, he would face a year-long suspension. Williams has agreed to accept the four-game suspension, the sources added.

League sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Nov. 13 that Williams and Davis were among the 11 players facing discipline.

However, the group of players protested that they had been led to believe there would be a 30-day grace period on drug testing following the lockout as part of an understanding between NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, a source told Schefter.

~more at link~

[Dirt]

Drug addicts deserve to be suspended.

"....and I'm addicted to marijuana..."

"you in here!? for some marijuana!?"

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[RWJ]

My opinion is that this thread is becoming quite SICK! No one should condone or accept that any illegal drug is acceptable in this country. As I have stated, if we one day medically give it out to cancer patients or ones that need it, I can FULLY accept this.

[4skins23]

Whatever your arguement be it illegal, or whatever, bottom line is, its a decision that affects the whole team. Not just themselves. It's selfish. It's illegal. And it's immoral. Try to remeber, these guys are in the NFL and have children looking up to them as role models. If using drugs are just that important to these guys, resign from the NFL and go use drugs. You're taking up too many spots for young guys to make it into the NFL. Thats my :2cents:

[redshirtguy#45]

"Williams and Davis are considered repeat offenders, according to the sources, and would have faced one-year bans under normal circumstances."

FO better get on these guys cases or they are not only gonna cause probs next year, they may ruin their careers... Is the effect worth millions?