The win today delayed true rebuilding by 5 years

[SkinsHokieFan]

Beating Seattle may be the most useless win on the schedule.

Any shot at RG3, Luck, Barkley is now gone.

Shanny cannot go into next year with the QB situation that we have now, and the chance to have a major long term upgraded has thusly been eliminated.

FML as a Skins fan

EDIT-8:53 AM

The above post was made in the heat of the moment at the end of the game. Yes, at this point, in what is shaping up to be a lost season, I really want the higher draft pick. I won't back away from that. I also won't back away from my 5 years statement, as I feel that if Shanny doesn't get his QB and the right QB this offseason his entire tenure is in serious jepordy, which will thus mean a new coach after year 4, and we are once again hitting the re-set button.

However, after a good night's sleep, I see why a win is helpful to these guys. Hard work, 18+hour days for the coaches, a system under fire from all corners, for at least 1 week there is relief. The young guys who have been busting their ass, the Kerrigan, Helu, Hurt, Riley deserve a win. Trent Williams, for playing in pain, deserves a win.

A win is a good thing. I'll learn to enjoy these things again.

[skinsarel33t]

Dont worry we can still trade ALL of our picks now to get one of them. LOL

[Goingforburgundy]

No we will trade up. We just wasted draft picks though on quite possibly the most worthless win for this team in the past 10 years. Im happy for a win but livid over the draft spot

[sportjunkie07]

we still have a great shot at one of the top qb's. just might have to trade up.. youre overreacting a bit.

if youre team loses 13 or so straight including getting beat by tavarias jackson, youve got a lot more work to do than just getting a franchise qb.

[PokeHype]

This only puts the Skins at four wins and they may not win again. Might want to tap the brakes.

[ACW]

Wow :doh:
So 4-12 will put us out of draft position.

Not to mention, Luck, Barkley, RG3 may not even leave.

[pilsburypgh]

This win was like totally meaningless...lol

[No_Pressure]

I don't know that for sure. I wanted us to lose and we didn't. Ironic isn't it? I've never rooted for my team to lose ever until this week and they show heart and win a meaningless game. We don't have as much power without a high draft pick. We probably won't land one of the major names. I suppose at this point all I can do is hold out hope that A. We don't give up everything we have for a top pick and set us back in that fashion, B. Don't trade for Peyton Manning or something idiotic like that, and C. We manage to find a good quarterback outside of the top of the draft.

Sigh.

[Aluadan]

Draft loaded with QBs, skins make sure to win just enough games so they can't get one.

This team is destined to be forever bad, not terrible, just bad.

[zskins]

When we want the Skins to win they lose and when we want them to lose they win. :mad:

[Trippster]

If we rattle off a bunch of wins now that it's garbage time it will be a punch in the stomach. I am so sick of 6-10, 7-9, and 8-8 seasons. I am a die hard fan and I would never consider rooting for another team, but at this point I won't even listen to them on the radio or care.

Sometimes I wonder if Dan Snyder is really a Cowboys fan.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Lol now we're upset with winning

I am more upset with the win today then the lost last week.

This was a back breaker today

[Califan007]

This has got to be the dumbest thread title of all time :ols:...

[Mad Mike]

Oh please. :rolleyes:

[HailGreen28]

Don't worry. We got the Jets, Pats, Giants, Vikes, Philly. If we win more than one of those games, we;re building something more positive than a few draft positions.

[Trippster]

Lol now we're upset with winning

Stupid people are happy right now.

[spjunkies]

I'm not happy at all right now.

Figures......

[Dukes and Skins]

Lol now we're upset with winning

Yep even at 4-12 we still could be the #5 pick this win really didnt put us back 5 years. We have the ammo to move up as well to get our guy

[TakeTheFG]

I'm sorry about you don't have a clue if you think 4-12 or 5-11 doesn't allow us to get a QB.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

This thread title is so dramatic.

We're all screwed! Where's the nearest cliff?

[TheGreek1973]

Beating Seattle may be the most useless win on the schedule.

Any shot at RG3, Luck, Barkley is now gone.

Shanny cannot go into next year with the QB situation that we have now, and the chance to have a major long term upgraded has thusly been eliminated.

FML as a Skins fan

Dude seriously you think a professional football team would get together and say we need to lose so we can draft our QB next year?

[Goingforburgundy]

I would of rather beat some one else but why did it have to be Seattle to beat....

[Burgold]

Gracious, don't let us come to this.

[2006Skins]

Are you high? This team will still get a top 5 pick and at worst 7 or 8. This will still have them in position for a top tier qb or give them more ammo to trade up. Also, they can make a trade for a qb like Flynn. This win was much needed and well deserved for our players

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

dude...so you think Shanny shoulda just told Rex, "Um...I really like that Griffin kid so you should **** up taking a knee and let Seattle win!"

I understand your logic but I cannot not be happy win my team wins...

9-7 here we come lmaooo

[Newera]

I see win over Minny. Competitive with Jets. Who knows what state philly will be in on the last game. Six wins max.

[DieHard86]

Don't play the speculative 21 year old savior game. You play to win the game, hello!?

[Drew_Fl]

Do you have to post how each game effects the outlook for years to come every week? You're worse than some girlfriends in terms of overreacting to each ebb and flow of the season.

[FanboyOf91]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0&ob=av2e

NNT, please. Save this **** for another time.

[Henry]

Give me a break with the five years nonsense. No one knows what opportunities we'll have in the draft yet.

[Highway66]

WTF??? I was happy to see em win.... thought they played hard.. one bad spell there the end of third qtr beginning of 4th

[Califan007]

Wow :doh:
So 4-12 will put us out of draft position.

Not to mention, Luck, Barkley, RG3 may not even leave.

Haven't you heard?...It is one million percent impossible to rebuild correctly unless you have 3 or fewer wins. It's a proven law of physics. Every single winning franchise started off by throwing games and trying not to win in order to have a shot at a 2-win season :yes:...if Shanahan and his coaches knew anything about football they would cut Grossman tomorrow for falling on that fumble deep in Skins territory.

[Harwich Hog]

The kind of rut this team would be in at the start of next season after losing all the games you want us to, is so much more damaging than the loss of a few draft positions.

Hell - give me 8-8 and a mid-round position!! :)

[pimpumd]

Nobody knows which QB's will even be available in the draft next year. We weren't set back 5 years by beating Seattle today.

[Renegade7]

I'm about up to here with you so called redskins fans rooting against the redskins. Please, go away. Just please go away...

[Newera]

I think for Barkley, Seattle is the competition. And we just lost to them.

[dahottestbubu]

more reasons today to dislike Grossman.

[Gridiron Grunt]

Out of all the stupidest threads this has to be the dumbest. Now we're upset at winning? I don't understand you people.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Hyperbole in the title obviously. But the general sentiment is true. Whether or not the QB we want will be there, whether we will have to trade valuable picks to move up for said QB.... these are open questions, and meaningless wins cast doubt on all of that.

[Henry]

If we rattle off a bunch of wins now that it's garbage time it will be a punch in the stomach. I am so sick of 6-10, 7-9, and 8-8 seasons. I am a die hard fan and I would never consider rooting for another team, but at this point I won't even listen to them on the radio or care.

Sometimes I wonder if Dan Snyder is really a Cowboys fan.

if you are upset with wins that is, by definition, rooting for another team.

[Highway66]

I see win over Minny. Competitive with Jets. Who knows what state philly will be in on the last game. Six wins max.


I agree... I wouldnt be surprised to see this thing end up at 5-11 or 6 and 10.... they pretty much dominated that game today they won despite themselves blocked Fg.. Blocked pat... two 2 interextions..

[sens11]

How did I know when I left the GameDay thread I would see this thread??? Geezzz...This is what it has come to. :doh:

[Califan007]

Do you have to post how each game effects the outlook for years to come every week?

:ols: Thank you :applause:...

"This loss has guaranteed us a playoff-caliber team for the next 10 years..."

"This win has doomed this team to 10 more years of mediocrity..."

[my_friend_goo]

I'll take the positive vibes and renewed faith the players will have in the system coming from the win and let the front office sort out the draft, thank you very much.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

The kind of rut this team would be in at the start of next season after losing all the games you want us to, is so much more damaging than the loss of a few draft positions.

Hell - give me 8-8 and a mid-round position!! :)

This is a dangerous myth, stop spouting it. The concept of momentum from season to season is imaginary. You win games based on the talent on your roster.

The real problem is that draft systems reward sucking to a perverse degree, and there's no real way to fix it.

[pilsburypgh]

dude...so you think Shanny shoulda just told Rex, "Um...I really like that Griffin kid so you should **** up taking a knee and let Seattle win!"

I understand your logic but I cannot not be happy win my team wins...

9-7 here we come lmaoooLol honestly I would cause grossman is horrible. I would tell him dont hate the game hate the player.. (you). lmbo.

[abdcskins]

Minnesota (2-9): Has Christian Ponder
Carolina (3-8): Has Cam Newton
St. Louis (2-9): Has Sam Bradford

Miami, Jacksonville, and Indianapolis are the only teams "ahead of us" that I can see taking a QB. Seattle and Arizona have the same records as us. It's not like we were guaranteed to get a top 5 pick anyway. Plus there are 5 games left in the season! Nothing has been determined yet in the least.

[MonkFan8]

I'm happy we won. Wouldn't have been angry had we lost, especially the way Helu played, but I'll take the win.

I still think losing close games with our young guys learning is the best outcome for the season.

[martytheman]

Beating Seattle may be the most useless win on the schedule.

Any shot at RG3, Luck, Barkley is now gone.

Shanny cannot go into next year with the QB situation that we have now, and the chance to have a major long term upgraded has thusly been eliminated.

FML as a Skins fan

Cry me a river Justin.
You "fans" can cry and whine all week now... yay!

[zskins]

I'm about up to here with you so called redskins fans rooting against the redskins. Please, go away. Just please go away...

Ummm... some of us who are older than 23 have had enough of what the Skins have been doing. If this season gives you chance to get a better QB for the next 10 years in the next draft you go for it. It is not rooting against your team... it is still rooting for your team to be better. ;)

[HigSkin]

I'm about up to here with you so called redskins fans rooting against the redskins. Please, go away. Just please go away...

Yep, I'm sure the FO and coaches have a plan for any resulting draft position. You can't manipulate the future as much as everyone would like to.

[Renegade7]

Stupid people are happy right now.

Guess I'm stupid then. I could use a little good news today, one day at a time. Ya losing will make you think about next year, but it ain't 2012 just yet...

[pilsburypgh]

Well yall maybe we can get kellen moore..Lol.

[Trippster]

I wonder how this win will look ten years from now when Matt Barkley is to the Seahawks what Rodgers and Brady are to their respective teams.

[JaimeDeCurry]

I'm sure there's been a more ridiculous thread posted on here before, but I just can't seem to think of one.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

So when we're going into next season with John Beck as the starter, then what? Are the Hogs going to walk through that door and magically turn a mediocre QB into a stud (never mind that the SB winning QBs we had with the Hogs were not mediocre, they just weren't Joe Montana)?

The good news is that I think the Hawks and Phins will be dumb enough to take Barkley over Griffin, so even if they finish behind us, we'll be fine.

[ksun247]

No it didn't. You always play to win the game. You just have to trust the front office to make the best decision possible in regards to the draft. Hopefully, Shanahan and Allen can do that in this draft. HTTR!!!

[Henry]

I think for Barkley, Seattle is the competition. And we just lost to them.

Believe it or not they might win a game or two more this season, and we might not.

You all really cant predict the future. Its not a great idea to root against the Redskins based on the beliefthat you can.

[NLC1054]

Beating Seattle may be the most useless win on the schedule.

Any shot at RG3, Luck, Barkley is now gone.

Shanny cannot go into next year with the QB situation that we have now, and the chance to have a major long term upgraded has thusly been eliminated.

FML as a Skins fan

...Dude...

Shut up.

I mean seriously. Shut the hell up. Delayed rebuilding by five years?

HOW? How the hell does this delay rebuilding by five years? Give me a reason? Because we lost draft position? The Seahawks still have to face a pitiful NFC West, they'll win some more games, you friggin' mark.

It's like NO ONE remembers that after going 13-3, Mike Shanahan moved UP and went and got Jay Cutler. We've got MULTIPLE DRAFT PICKS to move up and get whoever the frak we want without mortgaging a significant amount of the future.

Why even watch games if you're going to root for the team to lose? DO SOMETHING ELSE! Read a frakking book, spend time with loved ones, play video games. Do SOMETHING. But I'm not going to sit here going "OH NOES, THE SKY IS FALLING BECAUSE WE LOST ONE GAME! WE'RE DOOMED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS!"

Frak-a-doodle-do, this fanbase is stupid. Like plain stupid. Like backwoods, kissing cousins, glass jug playing, in-bred, 3rd grade education stupid, at least when it comes to football

Go pout in a corner somewhere else because we didn't get some magical savior.

[martytheman]

This thread title is so dramatic.

We're all screwed! Where's the nearest cliff?

yeah... that's ES for you.
I wish alot of these people would go and find the nearest cliff.

[Riggins77]

I am more upset with the win today then the lost last week.

This was a back breaker today
A REAL FAN doesnt pick and choose his wins. Yeah we all wanted to beat Dallas, but it didnt happen. How any of you can want us to lose so we maybe able to draft higher are not real true fans in my opinion. And if you dont like my opinion, shove it.

[Toe Jam]

This schtick is getting old. :2cents:

[CPORTISFAN999]

If we rattle off a bunch of wins now that it's garbage time it will be a punch in the stomach. I am so sick of 6-10, 7-9, and 8-8 seasons. I am a die hard fan and I would never consider rooting for another team, but at this point I won't even listen to them on the radio or care.

Sometimes I wonder if Dan Snyder is really a Cowboys fan.

so...winning the rest of our games to get to the playoffs as a wildcard would be a punch in the stomach?

[bradboyd80]

Minnesota (2-9): Has Christian Ponder
Carolina (3-8): Has Cam Newton
St. Louis (2-9): Has Sam Bradford

Miami, Jacksonville, and Indianapolis are the only teams "ahead of us" that I can see taking a QB. Seattle and Arizona have the same records as us. It's not like we were guaranteed to get a top 5 pick anyway. Plus there are 5 games left in the season! Nothing has been determined yet in the least.

Not to mention AZ has invested a ton of money in Kolb, and Jax just took Gabbert. I don't see them giving up on him just yet.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Bad move SHF.

As pertinent as the OP is, it'll be totally dwarfed by the short sighted feel good moment of a W.

Hail.

[Califan007]

Nobody knows which QB's will even be available in the draft next year. We weren't set back 5 years by beating Seattle today.

We weren't even set back by 5 weeks lol...

[MintHillSkinsFan]

Glass half empty much??? Enjoy the W.

[PortisBetts]

Seriously...shut up...don't hate on the redskins winning a game...we are rebuilding...losing doesn't help ever...winning builds confidence which this team sorely needs

[Trippster]

A REAL FAN doesnt pick and choose his wins. Yeah we all wanted to beat Dallas, but it didnt happen. How any of you can want us to lose so we maybe able to draft higher are not real true fans in my opinion. And if you dont like my opinion, shove it.

I guess you really are a true fan, because you just signed up for ten more years of mediocrity.

[jwpanic]

man, i really don't like this board sometimes. now is one of them.

[Burgold]

I guess they are no longer even pretending that they aren't rooting for their team to lose.

[RichmondRedskin88]

Biggest overreaction thread of all time.

[Destino]

You're assuming the skins would have picked the right QB and there is plenty of reasons to assume that wouldn't be the case.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I understand that we should always want the team to win (I in particular am overjoyed at the play of Helu, and we're literally a few pieces and better health from having a top 5 defense). But I'm ****ing terrified of going into next season with Landry "POTS" Jones as our QB of the future while RGIII is on another team looking like a cross-breed of Vick and Rodgers.

*Pots = product of the system

[Califan007]

Bad move SHF.

As pertinent as the OP is, it'll be totally dwarfed by the short sighted feel good moment of a W.

Hail.
Nobody really gives a **** about the win. What they DO care about is the ridiculous, asinine mindset that every single win dooms the franchise to decades of failure. Put it on a T-shirt if you really believe that twaddle, but don't be surprised if people call you out on the stupidity of it.

[fifthorkid88]

Beating Seattle may be the most useless win on the schedule.

Any shot at RG3, Luck, Barkley is now gone.

Shanny cannot go into next year with the QB situation that we have now, and the chance to have a major long term upgraded has thusly been eliminated.

FML as a Skins fan

So you are and advocate of losing out....Turn in your card

[FanboyOf91]

Minnesota (2-9): Has Christian Ponder
Carolina (3-8): Has Cam Newton
St. Louis (2-9): Has Sam Bradford

Miami, Jacksonville, and Indianapolis are the only teams "ahead of us" that I can see taking a QB. Seattle and Arizona have the same records as us. It's not like we were guaranteed to get a top 5 pick anyway. Plus there are 5 games left in the season! Nothing has been determined yet in the least.

I don't see Jacksonville spending consecutive 1st rounders on QBs. Gabbert gets another year, I think.

[NewCliche21]

Happy with the win, but disappointed in the loss of position.

I think that we'll get whichever quarterback we want. Shanahan, had he had more picks and a non-retired Chris Samuels, would've traded everything for Bradford. He'll do the same for RG3.

Orrrrrrrrr, it gives us a better shot at Tannehill. :)

[SkinsHokieFan]

Bad move SHF.

As pertinent as the OP is, it'll be totally dwarfed by the short sighted feel good moment of a W.

Hail.

Utter frustration with this team.

This "win" today hurts more then any loss we have had this year. I really was finding quite a bit of hope in this season.

This being stuck in mediocrity gets old. Very old. Its not a matter I don't trust this FO, but this FO has to be in a position to do something, to have options to make the moves we need.

We completely blew it

[Warhead36]

What guarantee is there that any QB would even be available at our pick either way?

There's still games to be played. We could easily lose out and Seattle has more winnable games than we do.

[CREON53]

You guys keep rooting for us to lose every week for the next 30 years or so please

[mnb123]

The Jets traded up from 17 to 5 to get Sanchez, and didn't even have to trade any of their 2010 picks....

He's not that good and wasn't worthy of a top 5 pick IMO, but thats not the point

[Burgold]

Seriously...shut up...don't hate on the redskins winning a game...we are rebuilding...losing doesn't help ever...winning builds confidence which this team sorely needs

Whatcha got to understand is that they would rather have Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Heath Shuler (all top five picks) than Big Ben, Aaron Rogers, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, or Tom Brady. :doh:

[skinpride1]

Seriously .....you think we are going to get close top three draft picks anyway when there are win less Colts out there.


You are an idiot.

[Destino]

Seriously...shut up...don't hate on the redskins winning a game...we are rebuilding...losing doesn't help ever...winning builds confidence which this team sorely needs
absolute nonsense. The "carry-over" effect does not exist in the NFL where you have no idea how many players will ever still be here. I don't think that winning today did or didn't set the team back, we'll know that a year from now.... but this winning for next year thing is ridiculous IMO.

[War Paint]

Well, did people honestly think we would lose every single game since playing the Rams? The only game left on the schedule that we could have a good shot at winning is against the Vikings. Considering our record against rookie QBs, the Vikings aren't an automatic win. Seriously, do you think Shanahan is going to go up to the team and tell them to screw up on purpose? What do you expect? Helu had a great game today, which is good news that our rookie RB played well. Should Helu have fell on purpose after leaping over the defender to protect draft position?

[NLC1054]

I guess they are no longer even pretending that they aren't rooting for their team to lose.

Well it's nice to know exactly who was actively rooting for a team like Dallas to cream us. Screw fan loyalty, ME WANTY DRAFT PICK, ME WANTY DRAFT PICKS!

[perez24]

I guess the players are all stupid too because they seem pretty happy. I wish some of the posters would actually the Redskins how they're screwing the fans by winning.

[MrJL]

every year it seems like people predict that teams will trade around and the top three or five or ten QBs in the draft will end up being the top ten draft picks and it never happens.

[frankez99]

Pathetic thread. Try telling London Fletcher, Rex, Helu and the gang that this win was meaningless. Set us back 5 years, hilarious!!! hahahahaha. Ohhhh....embellish much?

[Riggins77]

I guess you really are a true fan, because you just signed up for ten more years of mediocrity.

I've been a fan since birth. I got to enjoy the glory years and I've suffered and watched the past 20 with only 3 playoff spots. I never, mother ****ing EVER want my team to lose. The same can't be said of you, obviously from your reply to me. So you know what, pull for another team. Right the **** now. Cause no other Redskins fan I know, that is a true fan, wants us to lose any game. I'll take 10 more years of mediocrity before I lower myself to the standard of "Redskins fan" you are.

Take that money and put it in the ****ing bank son.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Nobody really gives a **** about the win. What they DO care about is the ridiculous, asinine mindset that every single win dooms the franchise to decades of failure. Put it on a T-shirt if you really believe that twaddle, but don't be surprised if people call you out on the stupidity of it.

B/S.

Speak for yourself. Read through this thread and responses quickly going down in others and tell me folk aren't just ****-a-hoop to finally have a W.

Hail.

[winstonspencer]

i forgot all first rounds qb's work out great

[HogNose]

Come on man. :doh:We have the ammo to trade up,down, etc. We will get our guy. Btw, why are allowed to create threads? Where is the cooling off period?

[thebluefood]

There are plenty of good QBs coming up in the draft this year and we can always trade up. Keep your shirt on.

Getting angry over winning. Honestly.

[NewCliche21]

Utter frustration with this team.

This "win" today hurts more then any loss we have had this year. I really was finding quite a bit of hope in this season.

This being stuck in mediocrity gets old. Very old. Its not a matter I don't trust this FO, but this FO has to be in a position to do something, to have options to make the moves we need.

We completely blew it

Agreed in full, with a little less flair. :)

If we HAD to have won one, then it was last week.

Not happy about winning this one.

[kevincollateral]

this is why ive almost given up on this place...

people freak out when we lose, then freak out just as much when we win.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

You have to understand the mindset. We've been watching the Redskins suck, but not suck ENOUGH to get that stud piece that we can build a team around, or when we did suck, we made the wrong pick - Rogers over Rodgers, etc


Whatcha got to understand is that they would rather have Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Heath Shuler (all top five picks) than Big Ben, Aaron Rogers, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, or Tom Brady.

More like Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford and Steve Young than Jim Druckenmiller, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell, Brian Brohm, Colt McCoy, Kordell Stewart, Kevin Kolb, Charlie Whitehurst, J.P Losman and all of the other bums drafted by teams who thought they could bargain-bin the QB position and sunk 3-5 years into trash.

For every mid-round hit at QB, there are about 10 misses. For every top 5 hit at QB there are at best 2 misses, and it's more like a 1 to 1 split. I know what odds I'd rather play.

See I can play this game too.

[NLC1054]

Well, did people honestly think we would lose every single game since playing the Rams? The only game left on the schedule that we could have a good shot at winning is against the Vikings. Considering our record against rookie QBs, the Vikings isn't an automatic win. Seriously, do you think Shanahan is going to go up to the team and tell them to screw up on purpose? What do you expect? Helu had a great game today, which is good news that our rookie RB played well. Should Helu have fell on purpose after leaping over the defender to protect draft position?

Duh. Don't you know the only reason this team will ever be any good ever again is if we lose?

Clearly we should just kneel on the ball on every down. Don't even punt. Just kneel on it no matter where we are on the field.

The only thing that matters is draft position now. We're going to suck, despite the fact that it's entirely possible we're going to lose every game from here until we play Minnesota.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Utter frustration with this team.

This "win" today hurts more then any loss we have had this year. I really was finding quite a bit of hope in this season.

This being stuck in mediocrity gets old. Very old. Its not a matter I don't trust this FO, but this FO has to be in a position to do something, to have options to make the moves we need.

We completely blew it

And we've still the Vikings at home for one to come.

Hail.

[#98QBKiller]

Pretty lame thread.


Chances were slim that we were going to lose out. We still might beat at least one more team. The important thing is we're going to finish with a top 5-10 draft pick which should make trading up easier.

Losing out would've been worse because not only would it have continued to hurt the chemistry of guys that we actually want back and playing next year, but it could've also hurt consistency because who knows what Snyder would do if Shanahan went 3-13 this season.

[Califan007]

i forgot all first rounds qb's work out great

No, it's "all top 5 first round QBs work out great" :yes:...

[Henry]

Nobody really gives a **** about the win. What they DO care about is the ridiculous, asinine mindset that every single win dooms the franchise to decades of failure. Put it on a T-shirt if you really believe that twaddle, but don't be surprised if people call you out on the stupidity of it.

Pretty much.

[Renegade7]

Ummm... some of us who are older than 23 have had enough of what the Skins have been doing. If this season gives you chance to get a better QB for the next 10 years in the next draft you go for it. It is not rooting against your team... it is still rooting for your team to be better. ;)

Good for you on giving up on my team because 23+ years was too much for you. Redskins had over 400 yards offense, which shows me we can move the ball with what we have. That's progress. We still have other things to get right this season before we bring in another rookie qb. I've seen enough redskin rookie qbs become dysfunctional because we were a dysfunctional organization. Enough is enough...

[pilsburypgh]

well im not here to prove my redskins blood but winnin this game was straight meaningless. Winning a nail biter over the seahawks does nothing, now had it been a team like the steelers? that would be a positive thing. But im sorry that us weak fans wanna dynasty team like the PATS. Sorry we want a good QB. I rather win games than A game anyday. now to me, thats a fan. Skins fans should be sick of losing year in, year out..

[TheGreek1973]

Kellen Moore here we come. We get him with a 2nd round pick after we trade back our 10th overall pick for a stud RT...I like it.

[tibbidoe]

What happened to thre cooling-off period before stupid threads were allowed to be started?

[HailGreen28]

Hopefully Shanallen can pick a good QB. The Packers, Bears, Pats, and Dallass Pukeboys QBs weren't top 5 picks.

[martytheman]

i forgot all first rounds qb's work out great

It's a slam dunk guarantee, didn't you know?
Just look at the stunning success our franchise has had with first rou.... erm, nevermind

[TheGreek1973]

Good for you on giving up on my team because 23+ years was too much for you. Redskins had over 400 yards offense, which shows me we can move the ball with what we have. That's progress. We still have other things to get right this season before we bring in another rookie qb. I've seen enough redskin rookie qbs become dysfunctional because we were a dysfunctional organization. Enough is enough...

Exactly and we moved it against a very decent D.

[HigSkin]

Btw, why are allowed to create threads? Where is the cooling off period?

I don't think the Mods figured they'd need them after a win! :ols:

[MrJL]

we might also sign a free agent QB

[martytheman]

What happened to thre cooling-off period before stupid threads were allowed to be started?

That only applies to certain "approved" people it appears.

[8181]

We'll just have to sacrifice extra picks if we're not in position to get the QB we want... I think we'll be ok.

[HogNose]

Hey SHF...aren't you the one who created this thread?

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?357051-Read-more-Post-Less

[Califan007]

Pretty lame thread.


Chances were slim that we were going to lose out.
This right here :yes: :yes:

Anyone pissed off that we won wasn't living anywhere in the vicinity of Reality lol...we were gonna win another game or two no matter what. Thinking otherwise is delusional.

And guess what...the Seahawks are most likely gonna win again, too.

[elkabong82]

Some of the best QBs in the league were taken outside of the top 10, some of the worst were taken top 5. Take a chill pill and enjoy a rare win this season.

[pilsburypgh]

Good for you on giving up on my team because 23+ years was too much for you. Redskins had over 400 yards offense, which shows me we can move the ball with what we have. That's progress. We still have other things to get right this season before we bring in another rookie qb. I've seen enough redskin rookie qbs become dysfunctional because we were a dysfunctional organization. Enough is enough...move the ball?? Im asking myself can we win with what we have? Thats a big NO. Putting up 400 against the seahawks is not all that.

[Trippster]

I've been a fan since birth. I got to enjoy the glory years and I've suffered and watched the past 20 with only 3 playoff spots. I never, mother ****ing EVER want my team to lose. The same can't be said of you, obviously from your reply to me. So you know what, pull for another team. Right the **** now. Cause no other Redskins fan I know, that is a true fan, wants us to lose any game. I'll take 10 more years of mediocrity before I lower myself to the standard of "Redskins fan" you are.

Take that money and put it in the ****ing bank son.

We'll see if you still feel the same way ten years from now when Barkley is to the Seahawks what Rodgers is to the Packers.

[ConnSKINS26]

Kellen Moore here we come. We get him with a 2nd round pick after we trade back our 10th overall pick for a stud RT...I like it.

Kellen Moore will be a 4th round pick at the earliest.

[Sticksboi05]

Stop whining geez.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Hey SHF...aren't you the one who created this thread?

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?357051-Read-more-Post-Less

But people have a different viewpoint than mine! On the INTERNET! I have to tell them how WRONG THEY ARE!!!

[SkinsFTW]

Paloffs is Now!!! if we win out we could still get in!!!

I'm sure we will put up a great challenge to the Pats in a couple weeks :ols:

[Destino]

Whatcha got to understand is that they would rather have Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Heath Shuler (all top five picks) than Big Ben, Aaron Rogers, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, or Tom Brady. :doh:

Big Ben, Redskins passed on him
Aaron Rogers, Redskins passed on him
Tom Brady, everyone passed on him
We also passed on Brees twice (in the draft and as a free agent).

The skins could have the #1 draft pick 10 years in a row and they wouldn't be able to find a QB. You don't go this long without a QB because you weren't in position to draft one. This team can't scout QBs and hasn't been able to do so long before Snyder showed up.

[pimpumd]

We'll see if you still feel the same way ten years from now when Barkley is to the Seahawks what Rodgers is to the Packers.

So it's guaranteed the Seahawks pick before us and take Barkley? Are you guaranteeing that?

[TK]

Beating Seattle may be the most useless win on the schedule.

Any shot at RG3, Luck, Barkley is now gone.

Shanny cannot go into next year with the QB situation that we have now, and the chance to have a major long term upgraded has thusly been eliminated.

FML as a Skins fan

This is what happens when you start drinking on Thanksgiving & haven't stopped yet. :doh:

[Warhead36]

I want a franchise QB in the first round as much as anyone, but nothing is guaranteed. Losing today would not have guaranteed we'd get Barkley, nor would it guarantee anyone we do take would turn out to be any good anyway.

Last year we picked 10th. We traded down and got Kerrigan at 16 who right now looks worlds better than the guy Jacksonville took at 10 in Gabbert. In other words, we could have won a couple more games last year and still gotten a guy who turned out to be better than guys taken before him by worse teams.

The season still has to play itself out. Lot of football left. Let the chips fall where they may and do our best from there.

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

I guess the players are all stupid too because they seem pretty happy. I wish some of the posters would actually the Redskins how they're screwing the fans by winning.

You're a moron, the amazing thing is you're 48, on a cpu actually displaying your stupidity for all to see.

Does anyone understand you play to win, as someone else previously mentioned there is no real rebuilding like years of past. You can be bad 1 season, good the next. More than the draft does that, we'll need to make good decisions like we did defensively this past off season. The people who pull for us to lose in any fashion should be Cowboy or Philthy Fans. What a joke, if we lost all of our games everyone would be saying we'd need to clean house which would actually set us back.

Freakin morons around here, congrats to the players for the much needed win and good look at the youth.

[Buford]

This is what happens when you start drinking on Thanksgiving & haven't stopped yet. :doh:

I thought the no new threads for a few hours after a game idea was a hit. What gives?

[NewCliche21]

Big Ben, Redskins passed on him
Aaron Rogers, Redskins passed on him
Tom Brady, everyone passed on him
We also passed on Brees twice (in the draft and as a free agent).

The skins could have the #1 draft pick 10 years in a row and they wouldn't be able to find a QB. You don't go this long without a QB because you weren't in position to draft one. This team can't scout QBs and hasn't been able to do so long before Snyder showed up.

Um, yeah, none of those were Shanahan decisions. He always sold the farm for Bradford, so he knows what he's doing. We'll get RG3 or Tannehill, no problem.

[D'Pablo]

I guess it makes sense to ensure that every player on our current squad is stunted developmentally in order to grab a QB. After all, it's not like Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, and Joe Flacco were drafted by teams loaded with veterans developed over years of successful drafting. It's not like teams with amazingly talented high first round QBs like Sam Bradford are struggling.

[pimpumd]

Big Ben, Redskins passed on him
Aaron Rogers, Redskins passed on him
Tom Brady, everyone passed on him
We also passed on Brees twice (in the draft and as a free agent).

The skins could have the #1 draft pick 10 years in a row and they wouldn't be able to find a QB. You don't go this long without a QB because you weren't in position to draft one. This team can't scout QBs and hasn't been able to do so long before Snyder showed up.

I think the point was you don't need to pick in the top 5 to grab a great QB. You're saying it doesn't matter where we pick, because we'll still screw it up, which doesn't negate Burgold's point whatsoever (not to mention, we have a new FO which might actually be able to pick a decent QB).

[BruinSkin]

Redskins had over 400 yards offense, which shows me we can move the ball with what we have. That's progress.

Nope, that's the Seahawks.

[TheGreek1973]

Kellen Moore will be a 4th round pick at the earliest.

Well in my book he shouldn't be. He kid has been great for a long time now and the only reason he is not up there with Luck, RGIII and Bradley is because he is 3 inches too short.

[JaimeDeCurry]

You're a moron, the amazing thing is you're 48, on a cpu actually displaying your stupidity for all to see.

Does anyone understand you play to win, as someone else previously mentioned there is no real rebuilding like years of past. You can be bad 1 season, good the next. More than the draft does that, we'll need to make good decisions like we did defensively this past off season. The people who pull for us to lose in any fashion should be Cowboy or Philthy Fans. What a joke, if we lost all of our games everyone would be saying we'd need to clean house which would actually set us back.

Freakin morons around here, congrats to the players for the much needed win and good look at the youth.


I think you need to double check your sarcasm meter...see if that sucker's plugged in.

[Madison Redskin]

Wow :doh:
So 4-12 will put us out of draft position.

Not to mention, Luck, Barkley, RG3 may not even leave.

It may. 1 win can mean the difference between picking 5th and picking 10th.

[Henry]

I want a franchise QB in the first round as much as anyone, but nothing is guaranteed. Losing today would not have guaranteed we'd get Barkley, nor would it guarantee anyone we do take would turn out to be any good anyway.

Last year we picked 10th. We traded down and got Kerrigan at 16 who right now looks worlds better than the guy Jacksonville took at 10 in Gabbert. In other words, we could have won a couple more games last year and still gotten a guy who turned out to be better than guys taken before him by worse teams.

The season still has to play itself out. Lot of football left. Let the chips fall where they may and do our best from there.

What you need to realize is that some fans here are so prescient that what they think might happen in the future trumps what does happen in reality.

And actually that's fine, but the threads after every game telling the rest of us what it all means in the future they've concocted in their minds ... is a little draining.

[Califan007]

You don't go this long without a QB because you weren't in position to draft one.

:yes: :yes: :applause:

[tomwvr]

All I can say is I am a happier person when the skins win and I needed to see a win when I was not a work for a change. First game Ive seen a win on since week 1 of this season and didnt get to watch any of the wins last year.

Tom

[Diss]

This thread is as obnoxiously full of hyperbole as any "we will always suck" thread after a loss.

I understand the whole mindset of wanting a top pick, I truly do.

But ONE WIN setting the franchise back FIVE YEARS???

Just think about that for a minute, how ridiculous a comment that is.

Hilarious, though, that this place is going to start need a "cooling off" period after wins. By Crom, that is amusing.

[TakeTheFG]

only teams we need to worry about cleveland seattle and miami. those are the 3 teams to fight for barkley and griffin. it doesn't matter if carolina is ahead, st louis, minny are ahead of us!

[War Paint]

We didn't pass on Aaron Rodgers. The Packers drafted him right before our pick, although Gibbs seemed to have his mind made up that Campbell was going to be the guy.

[pimpumd]

Nope, that's the Seahawks.

Well, Seattle does have the #12 ranked defense in the league--nonetheless I get your point.

[nfl guru]

With 4 wins now, minn/carolina/cleveland/miami/st.louis/arizona and if KC loses tonight will all be ahead of us in the draft order. How can we be this bad on offense and end up picking outside the top 5. I'm legit pissed we won. With Luck and barkleys stock rising, we might not have a shot at either

Even philly/Jacksonville/san diego/tampa got the same amount of wins as us. This bs win just put us back in the middle

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I'm not saying that this win dooms our chances at getting an elite QB. But fact is, the idea that you can reliably pick a QB outside the top 10 is STUPID and is NOT supported by history.

Top 10 pick QBs

Stafford
E. Manning
P. Manning
Rivers (having a bad season but his career speaks for himself)
Vick (yes, he has to be considered a star)
Newton

This is just guys who are starting now, and a guy like Ben who was drafted #11 isn't even in the list. Keep in mind that this is a MUCH smaller sample size than say, QBs drafted 12 through #90.

I would say that if we went 8-8, it would be a disaster, no matter how positively people tried to spin the story.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Nope, that's the Seahawks.

Seahawks were 11th in the league in team defense before today

[8181]

We didn't pass on Aaron Rodgers. The Packers drafted him right before our pick, although Gibbs seemed to have his mind made up that Campbell was going to be the guy.

We took Carlos Rogers :P

[NLC1054]

B/S.

Speak for yourself. Read through this thread and responses quickly going down in others and tell me folk aren't just ****-a-hoop to finally have a W.

Hail.

Um, I thought that's what fans did. They cheered when their team got a win.

There's not a fan in here acting like it's all sunshine and roses. We're still under .500, completely out of the playoffs, facing down a host of potential playoff teams that have the potential to completely and utterly blow us the frak out. Even if we're somehow competitive with the Jets we'll still lose, we'll likely get creamed by the Patriots and lose to the Giants, and in all likely hood could lose the Vikings, not to mention Vick and the Eagles.

Like I said; shut the hell up. Just stop rooting for the team. I know "turn in your fan card" is getting old, but...I don't get what you guys want.

What happens if we draft Andrew Luck or RGIII and they bust like Ryan Leaf? Then what? All this "draft position" madness is just that; madness.

Like I said; I couldn't invest that much time into something I was actively rooting to fail. So maybe it's just better for all you guys to stop watching games and do something else with your Sunday's. Hell, watch NFL RedZone, then you get to watch all the football games in a neat package.

But this idea that fans shouldn't be happy because they're favorite football team won a game is stupid. We're fans. We root for wins. No one here became a fan because the Redskins were LOSING, especially a guy like you, who is 37 and experienced all those championship runs.

Yes, I'm happy the Redskins won. I don't like it being insinuated that fans of a football team are idiots for liking that the team they root for won.

Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid ****ING stupid.

[GoDeep81]

Haven't you heard?...It is one million percent impossible to rebuild correctly unless you have 3 or fewer wins. It's a proven law of physics. Every single winning franchise started off by throwing games and trying not to win in order to have a shot at a 2-win season :yes:...if Shanahan and his coaches knew anything about football they would cut Grossman tomorrow for falling on that fumble deep in Skins territory.

Easy there Califan.. You'll be mistaken for making sense if your not careful! :ols: If anyone really thinks it possible for an entire team to get together and plan on loosing, or throw games for a draft, they need a good dose of reality.. Im just thankful last week wasn't a fluke effort.. They figure out how to remove some of the ridiculous mental errors, learn to block on teams, and keep Rex from going brain dead at the worst times, they might actually look good winning a few before it's over! Hail!!

[grego]

isnt it possible to enjoy the win, but understand that it could hurt our chances of getting a legit QB? is it all one or the other?

[IrepDC]

Why so much intense anger towards fans who have different opinions than your own?

[Henry]

All I can say is I am a happier person when the skins win and I needed to see a win when I was not a work for a change. First game Ive seen a win on since week 1 of this season and didnt get to watch any of the wins last year.

Tom

My son, who never watches football, wandered in during the second half and offhandedly asked me who was winning. I told him the seahawks, but there was still a lot of game to play. He actually sat down and started watching with me, asking me if I thought we had a chance to win.

My son, who never watches football, was watching football ... and rooting for the Redskins to win.

Does anyone honestly think I would tell him that it would be better if we lost because it might improve our draft position? That I gave a crap about any of that? He watched the whole rest of the game with me, biting his nails and cheering at the TV, and it was an awesome moment when we won. He may actually watch another game now. My son, who never watches football, might just start watching football with me.

So I say to to all of you who suggest that this game is 'meaningless' ... I beg to differ. You have forgotten why we watch in the first place.

[War Paint]

We took Carlos Rogers :P

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Still, 23 teams passed up on Aaron Rodgers. A lot of people weren't that high on him. He was a Tedford QB and his QBs didn't really do well in the NFL, with the exception of Trent Dilfer.

[Califan007]

My son, who never watches football, wandered in during the second half and offhandedly asked me who was winning. I told him the seahawks, but there was still a lot of game to play. He actually sat down and started watching with me, asking me if I thought we had a chance to win.

My son, who never watches football, was watching football ... and rooting for the Redskins to win.

Does anyone honestly think I would tell him that it would be better if we lost because it might improve our draft position? That I gave a crap about any of that? He watched the whole rest of the game with me, biting his nails and cheering at the TV, and it was an awesome moment when we won. He may actually watch another game now. My son, who never watches football, might just start watching football with me.

So I say to to all of you who suggest that this game is 'meaningless' ... I beg to differ. You have forgotten why we watch in the first place.

Great story and great point :applause:...

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

You did follow that convo you've just ranted on NLC right? Because it sure as heck doesn't look like you did with your accusations of (non) 'insinuations.'

Hail.

[IrepDC]

There could actually be some solid debate about the future of thus team and how this win effects it, but instead there's nothing but sarcastic, angry, closed-minded posts filling up this thread.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Um, I thought that's what fans did. They cheered when their team got a win.

There's not a fan in here acting like it's all sunshine and roses. We're still under .500, completely out of the playoffs, facing down a host of potential playoff teams that have the potential to completely and utterly blow us the frak out. Even if we're somehow competitive with the Jets we'll still lose, we'll likely get creamed by the Patriots and lose to the Giants, and in all likely hood could lose the Vikings, not to mention Vick and the Eagles.

Like I said; shut the hell up. Just stop rooting for the team. I know "turn in your fan card" is getting old, but...I don't get what you guys want.

What happens if we draft Andrew Luck or RGIII and they bust like Ryan Leaf? Then what? All this "draft position" madness is just that; madness.

Like I said; I couldn't invest that much time into something I was actively rooting to fail. So maybe it's just better for all you guys to stop watching games and do something else with your Sunday's. Hell, watch NFL RedZone, then you get to watch all the football games in a neat package.

But this idea that fans shouldn't be happy because they're favorite football team won a game is stupid. We're fans. We root for wins. No one here became a fan because the Redskins were LOSING, especially a guy like you, who is 37 and experienced all those championship runs.

Yes, I'm happy the Redskins won. I don't like it being insinuated that fans of a football team are idiots for liking that the team they root for won.

Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid ****ING stupid.

So if we win 5 more games and don't even get Tannehill, or have to reach for Weeden, then what? Sign Flynn? That surely worked with the Cardinals with Kevin Kolb. Overvaluing backup QBs is one of the biggest mistakes NFL teams make. I guess we can sell the farm to trade up from like 17 to 5 like the Jets did, except Sanchez could have very well have fallen to 13 or higher.

I mean, I don't want to say I'm NOT happy we won, but if we win enough that we don't take a franchise QB then what?

I understand how you feel, I really do. But if we're going to take the "win as many games as possible" route, we need to have a backup plan to get an elite QB prospect. If it's selling the farm for Luck or Griffin, fine. We know that Shanny is willing to trade for his guy. He showed it with Cutler, and he showed it with potentially trying to swing for Bradford. He might do it for Griffin, Barkley or even Luck. But that plan has to be in place.

Also, the Ryan Leaf strawman is stupid. Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith and many of the other QB busts had VERY glaring issues, either in terms of intangibles or in terms of skillset. Does this crop of QBs have these issues? Nope, not really.

[deejaydana]

I got flamed by a couple younger posters in the live game thread today for saying this was a completely meaningless win for us. Certainly it makes our chances of getting a QB a bit more challenging at this point but we do play in a tough division and also have a couple challenging out of division games upcoming. We'll see. Today's win just typified how we seem to screw up everything in every way and while I know you never play to lose we just will not go anywhere AT ALL with the trainwreck combo of Beck and Grossman.

[28skinsfan]

Hopefully Shanallen can pick a good QB. The Packers, Bears, Pats, and Dallass Pukeboys QBs weren't top 5 picks.

Exactly. It's not where you pick but who you pick.

[Doozinbrah]

My son, who never watches football, wandered in during the second half and offhandedly asked me who was winning. I told him the seahawks, but there was still a lot of game to play. He actually sat down and started watching with me, asking me if I thought we had a chance to win.

My son, who never watches football, was watching football ... and rooting for the Redskins to win.

Does anyone honestly think I would tell him that it would be better if we lost because it might improve our draft position? That I gave a crap about any of that? He watched the whole rest of the game with me, biting his nails and cheering at the TV, and it was an awesome moment when we won. He may actually watch another game now. My son, who never watches football, might just start watching football with me.

So I say to to all of you who suggest that this game is 'meaningless' ... I beg to differ. You have forgotten why we watch in the first place.

Best thought I have seen on here in a long time!!!!! I agree my 8 yr old sometimes watches but I just told him the Skins had won.....his reaction....Wooohoooo!!!!! Makes it all worth it!

[authentic]

i'm pretty sure we still end up some where in the top 10. All off the top QBs won't be gone by #10.. Heck, not even top 15. Lets be happy for the win, and worry about draft status tomorrow. :)

[Califan007]

Why so much intense anger towards fans who have different opinions than your own?

It's the timing and the manner in which the point is expressed, I think...

Imagine if the thread title was "How many games do you think the Skins can win and still have a realistic shot at one of the top QBs in the draft?"...

Imagine if the OP said "I'm a firm believer that the top 3 QBs expected to be in next year's draft will propel the Skins into legitimate contenders. But with each win it becomes harder to see us being able to draft one of them."...

Imagine if the thread had been created on Wednesday instead of 3 minutes after the Skins FINALLY won a game...

[Henry]

There could actually be some solid debate about the future of thus team and how this win effects it, but instead there's nothing but sarcastic, angry, closed-minded posts filling up this thread.

Just matching the tone set by the title of the thread.

[Rdskns2000]

It might be time for a certain status for you.


You don't where you might find the franchise QB. 2 of the most greatest QBs of all time were drafted in the 3rd round by San Francisco and 6th round by New England.


What are you going to post if the team wins a couple of more games; which is very possible if they play decent.


We should still find our franchise QB in 2012. This has shown in the past that if it needs to trade up it will.

[tibbidoe]

My son, who never watches football, wandered in during the second half and offhandedly asked me who was winning. I told him the seahawks, but there was still a lot of game to play. He actually sat down and started watching with me, asking me if I thought we had a chance to win.

My son, who never watches football, was watching football ... and rooting for the Redskins to win.

Does anyone honestly think I would tell him that it would be better if we lost because it might improve our draft position? That I gave a crap about any of that? He watched the whole rest of the game with me, biting his nails and cheering at the TV, and it was an awesome moment when we won. He may actually watch another game now. My son, who never watches football, might just start watching football with me.

So I say to to all of you who suggest that this game is 'meaningless' ... I beg to differ. You have forgotten why we watch in the first place.

That's pretty awesome... and very true.

Hope the two of you enjoy many more Redskins' wins together...

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

It's the timing and the manner in which the point is expressed, I think...

What happened to the 'cooling off period' of not making new threads?

Hail.

[TK]

I thought the no new threads for a few hours after a game idea was a hit. What gives?

Well, they actually WON, so it seemed like why bother. Then the stupid got loose. :doh:

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

You don't where you might find the franchise QB. 2 of the most greatest QBs of all time were drafted in the 3rd round by San Francisco and 6th round by New England..

You don't base your home financial planning around winning the lottery or investing in high risk stock, you don't base your QB plan around drafting mid-late rounders.

[SkinsHokieFan]

NLC has been a fantastic poster, and I understand his point of view and the point of view of many.

This franchise has been extremely frustrating for 20 years now. And part of that has been the change in the NFL to a much more passing NFL, the fact that we have not utilized our draft picks properly, and the fact that our QB play has been terrible save for 9 games of Brad Johnson in 1999.

I am tired of mediocre. I am sick of being between 5-11 and 8-8.

We have won more then 8 games just 4 times in the last 20 years. 1 out of 5 seasons we get lucky enough to be above .500.

I want greatness. Being at the top of the draft, with a competent FO that knows what its doing, helps get us to greatness.

I guess its just the macro view that I hold of the world. I look at big pictures, trends, where we will be in 2 years. I actually do that with just about everything and its served me well in life thus far.

Thats why I am frustrated. A season where I have actually had the most hope I have had in years, seeing our young guys progress, seeing the fact that a true rebuild is occuring and all we really need is one more dynamite offseason to be on the road to greatness, provided we have draft options, just went poof.

By my caclulations we just vaulted to 11 or 12 in the draft order. I pray that in a year people bump this thread up and laugh at me for my overdramatic style. I pray that in 2 years, when we have a young QB leading us to a division title, people mock me for this thread.

I would be incredibly pleased then. But looking at the big picture, this looks like a disaster today. More mediocrity.

[FuriousD]

sarcastic, angry, closed-minded

You just described the OP's opening statement to a tee. Seems like he's getting what he asked for.

[XxSpearheadxX]

That Roy Helu looked like a player today. Thats nice to know we have a good running back.

I'm not looking for the next Alex Smith, I'm looking for the next Aaron Rodgers ;)

[SAli457180]

I can't believe that this thread isn't even an hour old and it's 13 pages long. Take the win now and worry about draft position later.

[Hitman21ST]

I respectfully submit my thread as a counter-argument:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?359256-Why-winning-the-game-might-actually-help-out-our-situation.

[8181]

SHF, what do you think about being able to move up in the draft? What makes you conclude that we can't still trade up for our QB? I mean, Shanahan traded up for Jay Cutler...

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

This has shown in the past that if it needs to trade up it will.

With as many holes as we have to still fill over the next few years, having to give up more valuable draft picks to trade up to get our man, if it transpires like that; is elongate the rebuild and set it back further than it needed to be.

Hail.

[Destructis]

This thread embarasses me more as a Skins fan than anything Snyder has ever done.

[Crazy Levi]

LOL

SKins fans can't do ANYTHING right...when they root for 'em to lose the team digs deep and wins.

As usual around here, whether we win or lose, TOTAL meltdown overreaction.

If shanny really wants a qb well get him, even if we have to trade up.

In glad we won and hope we win ...I'd say we are just a couple more wins from An end to these stupid threads getting posted 5 minutes after every game.

Btw what the hell happened to the "cooling off" period. It was a great idea that I miss greatly.

Off to start a few ridiculously stupid threads, cause hey, I can...

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

NLC has been a fantastic poster, and I understand his point of view and the point of view of many.

This franchise has been extremely frustrating for 20 years now. And part of that has been the change in the NFL to a much more passing NFL, the fact that we have not utilized our draft picks properly, and the fact that our QB play has been terrible save for 9 games of Brad Johnson in 1999.

I am tired of mediocre. I am sick of being between 5-11 and 8-8.

We have won more then 8 games just 4 times in the last 20 years. 1 out of 5 seasons we get lucky enough to be above .500.

I want greatness. Being at the top of the draft, with a competent FO that knows what its doing, helps get us to greatness.

I guess its just the macro view that I hold of the world. I look at big pictures, trends, where we will be in 2 years. I actually do that with just about everything and its served me well in life thus far.

Thats why I am frustrated. A season where I have actually had the most hope I have had in years, seeing our young guys progress, seeing the fact that a true rebuild is occuring and all we really need is one more dynamite offseason to be on the road to greatness, provided we have draft options, just went poof.

By my caclulations we just vaulted to 11 or 12 in the draft order. I pray that in a year people bump this thread up and laugh at me for my overdramatic style. I pray that in 2 years, when we have a young QB leading us to a division title, people mock me for this thread.

I would be incredibly pleased then. But looking at the big picture, this looks like a disaster today. More mediocrity.


you have a flair for the dramatics my friend.... lol

I understand your views...it is just EXTREMELY twisted man

[deejaydana]

did we really move to #11 or #12 in next year's draft with the win today? Seems like too big a move (of course we still have a few games to play).

[STBonecrusher21]

SHF, what do you think about being able to move up in the draft? What makes you conclude that we can't still trade up for our QB? I mean, Shanahan traded up for Jay Cutler...

The thing is now we're gonna have to trade away draft picks instead of having that high pick and using all the picks for further needs. If we trade up, we will have to be much more aggressive in FA.

[Rypien1191]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6cV1zmqErY

[Redskins Diehard]

NNT!!!!! Por Favor. I know he's a "good poster" and all but is this necessary?

Hey SHF, tomorrow is promised to nobody...enjoy today.

[thebluefood]

Exactly. It's not where you pick but who you pick.

Exactly. Great players have been picked in the early rounds and great players have been picked in the late rounds. For goodness sake, doesn't anyone remember what happened to the second pick of the 1998 draft?

The flaming is occurring because this "HURR THROW THE SEASON" crap holds 0 merit. You play every game to win. Period. Even Andrew Luck said the suck for Luck stuff was pathetic.

[TheGreek1973]

We didn't pass on Aaron Rodgers. The Packers drafted him right before our pick, although Gibbs seemed to have his mind made up that Campbell was going to be the guy.

we did pass on him, we took "stone hands" with the 9th pick overall. And if you remember at the time it was a tossup between Smith and Rodgers going #1 overall. I love Gibbs but evaluating college QBs was not his strong suit.

[pilsburypgh]

Dude cmon man. You know good and well why we wanted to lose the game. Is it for your meaning? Obviously not. But dont play dumb . U Know exactly why, we see no reason to win meaningless games. Just like How u feel like winning this game helps the future of this team? We feel like losing helps us. But lets keep it real cause we ARE skins fans. that in all that we root for rather win or lose, Its for the better of this team.. All this judging peoples loyalty is not even necessary cause u cant insult my loyalty all u want and Im gonna still bleed burgundy and gold. And Im one of the ones that feel no need of winnin games. But I will say I understand they are not gonna just go out and not play. Lets be real half these players are not neccessary playing for the team but for themselves.

[The Tris]

There is still gong to have to be an incredible combination of events to lock us out of one of the top 3 QBs at this point. To make a definitive proclamation like this is the height of exaggeration.

However, I will say that Miami has now moved into poll position for the 2nd QB off the board, with a slightly easier schedule compared to ours to go.

[IrepDC]

It's the timing and the manner in which the point is expressed, I think...

Imagine if the thread title was "How many games do you think the Skins can win and still have a realistic shot at one of the top QBs in the draft?"...

Imagine if the OP said "I'm a firm believer that the top 3 QBs expected to be in next year's draft will propel the Skins into legitimate contenders. But with each win it becomes harder to see us being able to draft one of them."...

Imagine if the thread had been created on Wednesday instead of 3 minutes after the Skins FINALLY won a game...

I understand what you're saying, and maybe liquor is involved, but reading through this thread there is a lot of anger. If you were rooting for a win, why wouldn't you be happy? We won. Why are you going off on fans who have a different opinion? It doesn't seem like they are really happy about the win either.

[dallasfan]

Beating Seattle may be the most useless win on the schedule.

Any shot at RG3, Luck, Barkley is now gone.

Shanny cannot go into next year with the QB situation that we have now, and the chance to have a major long term upgraded has thusly been eliminated.

FML as a Skins fan

This is such a knee jerk reaction. My personal feelings aside (losing leads to more losing and 1 player doesn't make that much a difference in the NFL), you guys are still ahead of Seattle in the draft order and if Miami beats buffalo, you jump back ahead of them.

[tibbidoe]

...Thats why I am frustrated. A season where I have actually had the most hope I have had in years, seeing our young guys progress, seeing the fact that a true rebuild is occuring and all we really need is one more dynamite offseason to be on the road to greatness, provided we have draft options, just went poof.

By my caclulations we just vaulted to 11 or 12 in the draft order. I pray that in a year people bump this thread up and laugh at me for my overdramatic style. I pray that in 2 years, when we have a young QB leading us to a division title, people mock me for this thread.

I would be incredibly pleased then. But looking at the big picture, this looks like a disaster today. More mediocrity.

No rookie is guaranteed to be great. Every draft class has a QB worth building around. We will get our guy, one way or another, at some point.

[SkinsHokieFan]

SHF, what do you think about being able to move up in the draft? What makes you conclude that we can't still trade up for our QB? I mean, Shanahan traded up for Jay Cutler...

Shanny had 2 first round picks to trade up. Unfortunatley we do not.

I was hoping we wouldn't need to waste resources by trading up to get a QB this year. Getting a full 9 picks plus a top flight QB would have been outstanding. It would have added more depth plus talented players seeing we would be drafting in the top 5 of every round, not just round 1.

If we are drafting in the 10-15 range again, it is going to be extremely tough to get a QB without a MAJOR trade of picks this year and possibly in future years. I'd rather not have to trade a pick next year to mvoe from 11 to 4

[IrepDC]

Just matching the tone set by the title of the thread.

I suppose so

[skinsfanindallas88]

So winning a game today screwed us for next years draft in which we have no clue who will be available...yeah that makes sense

[Rypien1191]

Right now, we're in the #7-#9 range, and only 2 teams currently in front of us want a QB (Indy and Miami), and Indy will take Luck. And Miami will finish behind us because they are playing better. 5 weeks left in season. Relax guys.

[Redskins Diehard]

NLC has been a fantastic poster, and I understand his point of view and the point of view of many.

This franchise has been extremely frustrating for 20 years now. And part of that has been the change in the NFL to a much more passing NFL, the fact that we have not utilized our draft picks properly, and the fact that our QB play has been terrible save for 9 games of Brad Johnson in 1999.

I am tired of mediocre. I am sick of being between 5-11 and 8-8.

We have won more then 8 games just 4 times in the last 20 years. 1 out of 5 seasons we get lucky enough to be above .500.

I want greatness. Being at the top of the draft, with a competent FO that knows what its doing, helps get us to greatness.

I guess its just the macro view that I hold of the world. I look at big pictures, trends, where we will be in 2 years. I actually do that with just about everything and its served me well in life thus far.

Thats why I am frustrated. A season where I have actually had the most hope I have had in years, seeing our young guys progress, seeing the fact that a true rebuild is occuring and all we really need is one more dynamite offseason to be on the road to greatness, provided we have draft options, just went poof.

By my caclulations we just vaulted to 11 or 12 in the draft order. I pray that in a year people bump this thread up and laugh at me for my overdramatic style. I pray that in 2 years, when we have a young QB leading us to a division title, people mock me for this thread.

I would be incredibly pleased then. But looking at the big picture, this looks like a disaster today. More mediocrity.

Yes, it is the macro view:ols:

The sophisticated world view that none of us simpletons can comprehend:ols:

Winning today did no more to set us back than losing would have accelerated it. Maybe today got us Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith

[NewCliche21]

This is such a knee jerk reaction. My personal feelings aside (losing leads to more losing and 1 player doesn't make that much a difference in the NFL), you guys are still ahead of Seattle in the draft order and if Miami beats buffalo, you jump back ahead of them.

No, that's just inaccurate. We just BEAT Seattle, so we are no longer below them.

[MrJL]

we did pass on him, we took "stone hands" with the 9th pick overall. And if you remember at the time it was a tossup between Smith and Rodgers going #1 overall. I love Gibbs but evaluating college QBs was not his strong suit.

yep, it was a toss up to whether Smith or Rodgers should go number 1. And it's taken what five years for Smith to even become a passable QB, while ROdgers is a Super Bowl winner BUT fell into the 20's.

Drafting early doesn;t mean success and the odds are better that there will be no jockeying for position than a ton of it.

[IrepDC]

You just described the OP's opening statement to a tee. Seems like he's getting what he asked for.

I still think each side could have a reasonable debate without the animosity.

[Buford]

Well, they actually WON, so it seemed like why bother. Then the stupid got loose. :doh:

ahh, well...lesson learned I guess.

[Redskinscub]

I'm glad we won. Let the draft fall as it may. While we are not perfect in personel, coaching or the front office, we are a lot better off that we have been in a few years.

[Hitman21ST]

No, that's just inaccurate. We just BEAT Seattle, so we are no longer below them.

Strength of schedule is the first tiebreaker, not head to head. There's a chance we're still ahead of them.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Hahahaha this is sheer stupidity. Everyone that is mad over this loss must be nostradamus cuz apparently they can see the future.

I'm gonna say this. I have faith that Shanny, Allen and Morocco Brown will get their man no matter what pick they are dealt. I think with the last two drafts they have proven that.

Get back from the ledge for gods sake. Anyone mad over this win is a ****ing moron.

[SkinsHokieFan]

NNT!!!!! Por Favor. I know he's a "good poster" and all but is this necessary?

Hey SHF, tomorrow is promised to nobody...enjoy today.

I enjoy today when its a big success :)

Mediocrity drives me out of my mind. At least, from what I have seen in life, major disasters (such as a 3-13 season) are a catlyst for improvement.

If the mods choose to NNT me thats fine. I am 100 percent sober, I hardly ever drink, and know exactly what I was doing with this posting. I am big enough to handle it :)

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Strength of schedule is the first tiebreaker, not head to head. There's a chance we're still ahead of them.

They held the SOS going in by a large margin man.

Hail.

[IrepDC]

SHF, what do you think about being able to move up in the draft? What makes you conclude that we can't still trade up for our QB? I mean, Shanahan traded up for Jay Cutler...

This is a valid argument and may end up being our outcome. The only draw back is possibly losing some of those mid rounders who might have been OL or DL depth, or players like Helu and Hankerson. It would be nice to get our QB without giving away those picks.

[SC_RedskinsFan]

It's the timing and the manner in which the point is expressed, I think...

Imagine if the thread title was "How many games do you think the Skins can win and still have a realistic shot at one of the top QBs in the draft?"...

Imagine if the OP said "I'm a firm believer that the top 3 QBs expected to be in next year's draft will propel the Skins into legitimate contenders. But with each win it becomes harder to see us being able to draft one of them."...

Imagine if the thread had been created on Wednesday instead of 3 minutes after the Skins FINALLY won a game...

Exactly!!

I am one of the people who always want the Skins to win, but during a season like this I am not crushed when we do lose cause it could help us in the future. I do not root for us to lose, but if we do the sky isn't falling!

It wasn't that long ago when we were 3-1 and looking good. Have you all forgot that? We are not that bad of a team. We have had a huge amount of injuries, and some bad luck. Yes we need a QB, and I am pretty sure we will get one this next year one way or another.

It is so funny here, if we lose everybody is ready to burn the stadium down, and if we win we are stupid for not losing on purpose! Losing on purpose, that's what you want your teams midset to be?

[Hitman21ST]

I enjoy today when its a big success :)

Mediocrity drives me out of my mind. At least, from what I have seen in life, major disasters (such as a 3-13 season) are a catlyst for improvement.

If the mods choose to NNT me thats fine. I am 100 percent sober, I hardly ever drink, and know exactly what I was doing with this posting. I am big enough to handle it :)

Just playing devil's advocate here, SHF, but according to this last post, 3-13 is considered a "major disaster" but 4-12 is mediocrity? I would still classify 4-12 as a disaster. JMHO

[clskinsfan]

Possibly the most disgusting thread in ES history.

[NewCliche21]

Right now, we're in the #7-#9 range, and only 2 teams currently in front of us want a QB (Indy and Miami), and Indy will take Luck. And Miami will finish behind us because they are playing better. 5 weeks left in season. Relax guys.

Who wants a quarterback?

Seattle.
Cleveland (TWO first-rounders this year, by the way).
Us.

And whoever trades up to take Luck. Maybe our boy will be available.

[MONTEY]

Serves you folks right. Hoping to lose for the sake of a decent draft pick. Karma is a hell of a thing.

[brandymac27]

Off to start a few ridiculously stupid threads, cause hey, I can...

Errrm.....actually....I don't think you can:silly:

[NewCliche21]

Strength of schedule is the first tiebreaker, not head to head. There's a chance we're still ahead of them.

That is just dumb. Head-to-head should come first.

[Hitman21ST]

They held the SOS going in by a large margin man.

Hail.

Oh, ok then. I didn't know.

Does a stronger schedule mean a lower or higher pick?

[redskindan07]

I couldn't agree more, What a worthless victory!!

[Ingtar]

so what if that "can't miss" prospect, well, misses? Are you supposed to tell your players to lose so we can run out and draft some unproven kid out of college? I am sure that would be WONDERFUL for morale.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yes, it is the macro view:ols:

The sophisticated world view that none of us simpletons can comprehend:ols:

Winning today did no more to set us back than losing would have accelerated it. Maybe today got us Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith

I never insinuated that people are stupid for not understanding what I am saying.

I mean, it makes 0 sense for a fan to actually want to see his team to lose. None. Why even bother, right?

I cheer for championships and building towards championships. I feel today caused us to take a major hit towards building for a championship.

The 5 years thing? Well, if Shanny can't get the right QB this year, because he is unable to trade up to get his man in the draft, and we continue to flounder at the QB spot, he is gone after year 5, and we are 3 years further into mediocrity. New coach will then come in and we start over.

Getting the right QB this year is of maximum importance. The Shanahan era depends on it

[MONTEY]

...Dude...

Shut up.

I mean seriously. Shut the hell up. Delayed rebuilding by five years?

HOW? How the hell does this delay rebuilding by five years? Give me a reason? Because we lost draft position? The Seahawks still have to face a pitiful NFC West, they'll win some more games, you friggin' mark.

It's like NO ONE remembers that after going 13-3, Mike Shanahan moved UP and went and got Jay Cutler. We've got MULTIPLE DRAFT PICKS to move up and get whoever the frak we want without mortgaging a significant amount of the future.

Why even watch games if you're going to root for the team to lose? DO SOMETHING ELSE! Read a frakking book, spend time with loved ones, play video games. Do SOMETHING. But I'm not going to sit here going "OH NOES, THE SKY IS FALLING BECAUSE WE LOST ONE GAME! WE'RE DOOMED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS!"

Frak-a-doodle-do, this fanbase is stupid. Like plain stupid. Like backwoods, kissing cousins, glass jug playing, in-bred, 3rd grade education stupid, at least when it comes to football

Go pout in a corner somewhere else because we didn't get some magical savior.

ditto that. and more.

[js79]

you're a moron. have you ever played competitive sports? or do you sit in your parent's basement playing madden losing on purpose to collect 1st round picks?

these players get paid to compete and win. who cares about the draft. we'll deal with it when we get there. just enjoy the damn win

[dg28daman]

Eh, it is what it is. Look what Shanny did when he wanted Cutler. If there's someone that he feels that strongly about, we'll get him.

For today though, screw the big picture. I wait too damn long every offseason for 16 Sundays a year to be able to watch the team I love and cheer for them to win. I'm happy with the win.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Just playing devil's advocate here, SHF, but according to this last post, 3-13 is considered a "major disaster" but 4-12 is mediocrity? I would still classify 4-12 as a disaster. JMHO

3-13 more then likely gets us the number 2 overall pick.

4-12 could knock us down to the bottom of the top 10, and with the losers in the NFL this year, possibly into the teens. That would be awful

[Hitman21ST]

That is just dumb. Head-to-head should come first.

It has to be that way, because what would happen if we were tied with the Raiders for record? We didn't go head to head, so it would have to be SOS. Having SOS first significantly decreases the chance of a tiebreaker.

[skinsfanindallas88]

Even if we are ahead of them what's to stop the Seahawks from trading ahead of us to grab a qb? This game really has zero bearing on who gets who in the draft

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Who wants a quarterback?

Seattle.
Cleveland (TWO first-rounders this year, by the way).
Us.

And whoever trades up to take Luck. Maybe our boy will be available.

Add at least Miami. And I doubt Jacksonville or the Vikings turn down an RGIII regardless of what they did last year.

Hail.

[NLC1054]

So if we win 5 more games and don't even get Tannehill, or have to reach for Weeden, then what? Sign Flynn? That surely worked with the Cardinals with Kevin Kolb. Overvaluing backup QBs is one of the biggest mistakes NFL teams make. I guess we can sell the farm to trade up from like 17 to 5 like the Jets did, except Sanchez could have very well have fallen to 13 or higher.

I mean, I don't want to say I'm NOT happy we won, but if we win enough that we don't take a franchise QB then what?

I understand how you feel, I really do. But if we're going to take the "win as many games as possible" route, we need to have a backup plan to get an elite QB prospect.

The Broncos went 13-3 in 2005. To move up and get Jay Cutler at number 11, the Broncos moved up in the draft. First, they traded with San Fransisco, then Atlanta up to the 15th pick. They then traded that pick and the 68th pick (the one they got from San Fransisco) in that draft to move to number 11 with the Rams to draft Cutler.

And what's even funnier, is that some of the some fools floating around talking about how this doomed us for the next five years, were some of the very same guys who were talking about how it would be worth it to trade three first round picks to go up and get Andrew Luck.

It's very simple; if Mike wants a guy, he will move up to get him. Since no matter what we're probably drafting in the top 5 (or at least the top 10), the cost of moving up will be relative inexpensive, especially since we already have multiple picks in the later rounds to do it.

It's not the end of the world.

[Hitman21ST]

3-13 more then likely gets us the number 2 overall pick.

4-12 could knock us down to the bottom of the top 10, and with the losers in the NFL this year, possibly into the teens. That would be awful

Gotcha. I misunderstood.

[Rypien1191]

Who wants a quarterback?

Seattle.
Cleveland (TWO first-rounders this year, by the way).
Us.

And whoever trades up to take Luck. Maybe our boy will be available.

I haven't seen the latest SOS rankings, but I think we still pick in front of Seattle and Cleveland. Not that it really matters with 5 weeks to go.

[SkinsHokieFan]

you're a moron. have you ever played competitive sports? or do you sit in your parent's basement playing madden losing on purpose to collect 1st round picks?

these players get paid to compete and win. who cares about the draft. we'll deal with it when we get there. just enjoy the damn win

Yup, played all my life, from age 5 on up (until now)

When our senior season of football went down the tubes, I understood why the coaches were playing the underclassmen far more then the seniors. It made sense.

Losing sucks. Losing for years and years really sucks.

[gortiz]

Lol now we're upset with winning

honeslty, people should send this post to the sports bog ...

some people are ****ing hopeless ... just plain ****ing hopeless.

holy **** man. :wtf: how can you worry about draft position, i'm still pulling for us to get to 8-8.


:chair: :pokeye: :gang: :psyche: :slap: :nutkick:

[SWFLSkins]

I enjoy today when its a big success :)

Mediocrity drives me out of my mind. At least, from what I have seen in life, major disasters (such as a 3-13 season) are a catlyst for improvement.

If the mods choose to NNT me thats fine. I am 100 percent sober, I hardly ever drink, and know exactly what I was doing with this posting. I am big enough to handle it :)


My Turkey Soup was fabulous tonight. I cooked it all day, and had a wonderful day. I started with measurable expectations and finish it with a Padron cigar and a shot of Makers Mark. Now there were ups and downs, like the huge mess making the soup, kids spilling OJ on the carpet, dogs trying to get to the soup, INT's, internet issues, neighbors wanting to talk during the third quarter, but all in all it was a Beautiful Day.

If you are to die with a smile on your face, you must first live with one. Today was a good Day. The Redskins Won a game.

[HigSkin]

You could argue that the 1st overalls (Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Matt Stafford) aren't the ideal "franchise QB" and teams picking lower have faired better.

Statistical ranking on a few of the top QB's that have played this year:

Aaron Rodgers - drafted 1st/#24
Tom Brady - drafted 6th/#199
Drew Brees - drafted 2nd/#32
Tony Romo - drafted UDFA
Matt Schaub - drafted 3rd/#90
Eli Manning - drafted 1st/#1
Ben Roethlisberger - drafted 1st/#11
Alex Smith - drafted 1st/#1
Matthew Stafford - 1st/#1
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th/#187
Jay Cutler - 1st/#11
Matt Ryan - 1st/#3

[NewCliche21]

It has to be that way, because what would happen if we were tied with the Raiders for record? We didn't go head to head, so it would have to be SOS. Having SOS first significantly decreases the chance of a tiebreaker.

Yes, but head-to-head should come first. If they haven't played each other, then it goes SOS.

[ddub52]

Out of the teams that will likely be picking around when we are, several of them dont need QBs and/or already drafter theirs recently. I think if we get in the top 8 we will be able to get one of the top 3. So much for the "cooling off" period. I thought we only needed those after losses? lol

[jivelikenice]

We need a qb, but we also need to prove that the rest of the talent on the roster has potential. Winning is important and is not a bad thing in any circumstance. There are 4 1st round talents at the qb position and they will not go 1 through 4. If we're at or near the top 10 we'll be able to get in position to get that QB.

Any speaking of rebuilding, today actually accelerated it IMO. We potentially have 4 starters from this draft in Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson, & Helu. That list doesn't include Gomes, Paul, Hurt, & Neild who at minimum look like solid contributors/ depth.

[War Paint]

Well, for those who are worrying about draft position, our next two games is against the Jets and Pats. The Jets haven't been that great on the road this year, but I think they will edge us out. However, you never know. We might pull a rabbit out of our butts and beat the Jets. Can't wait to see the threads then lol.

Edit...I think we are playing the Jets in NY...I was thinking it's a home game.

[bigtroop]

Stfu......

[GaryGreenMonk]

They held the SOS going in by a large margin man.

Hail.

Yeah..

We now have more threats to us getting a QB...

Definite threats

Colts
Seahawks
Browns
Miami

Possible threats

Minny
KC
Jags

Titans are 2 games off from also being threats.

[Xero21]

We won the game on the 4th anniversary of Sean Taylor's death. There wasn't a more meaningful win this season as far as I'm concerned.

[SWFLSkins]

Yup, played all my life, from age 5 on up (until now)

When our senior season of football went down the tubes, I understood why the coaches were playing the underclassmen far more then the seniors. It made sense.

Losing sucks. Losing for years and years really sucks.

But if you accept losing that is all you will come to know. Seriously. I could quit my difficult job any given time, but I don;t. I keep fighting, I don't know quit. I have lost, and lost plenty, but I am my best when I don't quit.

[Spunkush]

4-12 or 5-11 is not going to set us back 5 years... According to most people there are about 4 or 5 QBs in this draft who are franchise QBs (Luck, RGIII, Barkely, Jones, Tannehill) and there really aren't that many teams with worse records than us who need a QB. Seriously, name 5 teams that will pick a qb before we pick... FIVE or even FOUR teams worse than us who need a QB. We will be fine.

[SAli457180]

IMO, losing out would have been as pathetic as the Cavaliers losing the year before they got Lebron James. This team may not be that good, but they definitely should not be as bad some people want them to be.

[Win4us]

Right now, we're in the #7-#9 range, and only 2 teams currently in front of us want a QB (Indy and Miami), and Indy will take Luck. And Miami will finish behind us because they are playing better. 5 weeks left in season. Relax guys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM

7-9 is still good imo for the best qb available approach

[SWFLSkins]

You could argue that the 1st overalls (Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Matt Stafford) aren't the ideal "franchise QB" and teams picking lower have faired better.

Statistical ranking on a few of the top QB's that have played this year:

Aaron Rodgers - drafted 1st/#24
Tom Brady - drafted 6th/#199
Drew Brees - drafted 2nd/#32
Tony Romo - drafted UDFA
Matt Schaub - drafted 3rd/#90
Eli Manning - drafted 1st/#1
Ben Roethlisberger - drafted 1st/#11
Alex Smith - drafted 1st/#1
Matthew Stafford - 1st/#1
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th/#187
Jay Cutler - 1st/#11
Matt Ryan - 1st/#3


Hey don't you have to have that Cherry Picker back to the rental station by 9?

[SkinsHokieFan]

But if you accept losing that is all you will come to know. Seriously. I could quit my difficult job any given time, but I don;t. I keep fighting, I don't know quit. I have lost, and lost plenty, but I am my best when I don't quite.

Totally totally different.

I don't accept losing, which is why I was hoping for losses this year. Getting a franchise changer to get us out of this 20 years of mediocrity is badly needed. There is nothing worse then mediocre. I want greatness. I want a damn dynasty. I want to be the Packers, the Patriots, the Manning Colts.

I am sick of meaningless November/December wins which do nothing but prevent us from getting our guy. Sick of being in last place for a decade. I want to own the East for the next decade

[bradboyd80]

One win did not move us from a top 5 pick to somewhere between 10-15. At the end of the season, do you really think there will be 9 to 12 teams with an equal or worse record than 4-12? No. Besides, you never know what sort of trade ups could take place on draft day. There are several solid prospects with great potential. We didn't lose out on all of them from one win.

[War Paint]

4-12 or 5-11 is not going to set us back 5 years... According to most people there are about 4 or 5 QBs in this draft who are franchise QBs (Luck, RGIII, Barkely, Jones, Tannehill) and there really aren't that many teams with worse records than us who need a QB. Seriously, name 5 teams that will pick a qb before we pick... FIVE or even FOUR teams worse than us who need a QB. We will be fine.

We just have to look out for the teams willing to leap frog us to get a QB, like someone jumping ahead of us to move up with Carolina or St. Louis.

[JaimeDeCurry]

I'm not saying that this win dooms our chances at getting an elite QB. But fact is, the idea that you can reliably pick a QB outside the top 10 is STUPID and is NOT supported by history

Orly?


Super Bowl QBs since 2000, and their draft position.

Rodgers (24th), Roethlisberger (11th)
Brees (33rd), P. Manning (1st)
Warner (UND out of 222 picks), Roethlisberger (11th)
E. Manning (1st or 4th, however you wanna call it), Brady (199th)
P. Manning (1st), Grossman (22nd)
Roethlisberger (11th), Hasselbeck (187th)
Brady (199th), McNabb (2nd)
Brady (199th), Delhomme (UND out of 240 picks)
Johnson (227th), Gannon (98th)
Brady (199th), Warner (UND)
Collins (5th), Dilfer (6th)
Warner (UND), McNair (3rd)


So since 2000, you have ten different Super Bowl QBs drafted outside the top 10, with a cumulative 17 appearances between them.
On the flip side, you have six different Super Bowl QBs drafted inside the top 10, with a cumulative 7 appearances between them.
You have fewer top 10 matchups (Kerry Collins vs Trent Dilfer) than you do undrafted vs. 6th round matchups (Kurt Warner vs Tom Brady, Jake Delhomme vs Tom Brady). And honestly, which of those sounds like the better matchup to you?
The average (median) pick of a Super Bowl QB since 2000 is 28.5.


What was that about history, again?

[Spunkush]

Yeah..

We now have more threats to us getting a QB...

Definite threats

Colts
Seahawks
Browns
Miami

Possible threats

Minny
KC
Jags

Titans are 2 games off from also being threats.
The Vikings just spent a 13th overall pick in Ponder, the Titans just spent the 8th overall pick on Locker, Jags just drafted Gabbert, and the Seahawks still have a better record than us I think, in a weaker division. Miami Just beat us and will most likely win a couple more games and Cleveland has the same record as us, they should win another game while we lose out.

[HigSkin]

Hey don't you have to have that Cherry Picker back to the rental station by 9?

Take a look at the ESPN site on QB stats and that's how the ranking shakes out. I didn't make that stuff up.

[War Paint]

Where are we sitting right now in regards to draft position? Anyone know? Did we drop out of the top 10?

[mzkp54]

I see draft position as a silver lining to losing. To be upset when we win is a silly thing. 1 win is not going to drop us 10 spots in the draft, I don't see 10 teams finishing with only 3 or 4 wins this year. All I read on this board is wanting to see progress from the depth on our team. We've lost many starters, and today played like a solid unit. We've scored 23+ 2 weeks in a row after a boring and depressing month of redskins football. These are good things. The draft is supposed to be arranged according to record so teams pick where they should. If you honestly think teams should throw games so they can pick where they want, it would disrupt the entire integrity of the sport. Thats why trading during the draft exists

[issapunk]

Sean Taylor is rolling in his grave right now because of this stupid thread. Maybe we moved down a couple of spots but our team deserved and needed this win. Did anyone really think that we were going to lose 12 straight? Shanahan will find a way to get whatever us he wants.