Why winning the game might actually help out our situation.

[Hitman21ST]

I've been waiting to write this thread :yes:

By getting a lower draft position, we lost value on the pick. I don't have the chart, but it is lower. Assuming the Colts aren't going to take Luck and are willing to trade the pick, they will inevitably demand a king's ransom for it, to beef up the players around Manning.

Having a lower pick, but still a top 10 (maybe even top 5) means we need to trade more picks to match. The Colts will want as many picks as they can get for that #1 spot. By having to offer more picks to them to be able to trade up, we may have unintentionally improved our chances of getting that pick.

Looking at the rest of the schedule, the only other game I possibly see us winning is Minnesota. We are, at best, 5-11. More than likely 4-12 though. It's not the end of the world. We will still get our guy.

[RonArtest15]

If we finish 5-11, RGIII will be right there for us to draft....

[martytheman]

ummmm, k.
csb

[Goingforburgundy]

How about the 7 other rounds of the draft?

[jaydogg3eb]

Yeah, I still think we can draft RGIII at our current pace.

[Skin'emAlive]

You are fooling yourself if you think the Colts arent taking Luck. And i personally would be pissed if we gave up a Kings ransom for him when we have multiple holes on the entire offense.

[Hitman21ST]

How about the 7 other rounds of the draft?

You're honestly worried about the dropoff between the 75th pick and the 81st?

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You are fooling yourself if you think the Colts arent taking Luck. And i personally would be pissed if we gave up a Kings ransom for him when we have multiple holes on the entire offense.

Two players, $60M in cap space, and only one can play. You really think they are taking Luck?

[Hitman21ST]

Manning will take 28. Who is going to trade for a 28 million dollar injury case?
Luck will cost, maybe five. Newton got 22 million over four years. Luck will get something similar. The Colts can afford to draft Luck and they will.

Yeah, you're right. They're not going to take the picks, the second or third best Qb in the draft, sit him behind Manning for a couple years while they build up the rest of the team to support the successor. They'll just take Luck and hope he can have the same effect as Manning. With all those picks, they could get another stud receiver, upgrade the line, get some help on the D, and still be in a good situation at QB.

[elkabong82]

Manning will take 28. Who is going to trade for a 28 million dollar injury case?
Luck will cost, maybe five. Newton got 22 million over four years. Luck will get something similar. The Colts can afford to draft Luck and they will.

I wouldn't be so sure of that as you are sounding. The Colts owe Manning big time, and they owe their fan base, who still love Manning. The number of picks the Colts would get in a trade is enough to build around Peyton and give him another shot at a title before he retires. Plus, the Colts will get future picks, so they'll have what they need to get a franchise QB in a few seasons. They want a good ending to the Manning era, and shuffling him out early, even if it is for Luck, is going to piss off a good chunk of their fanbase.

Plus, an 0-16 team is going to need a lot to build back up. Manning already masks a lot of those weaknesses, and the great amount of picks the Colts would get would reduce the rest of the weaknesses, and greatly incraese the chances of the team being good when their future QB replacement is drafted and takes over.

[Pick6]

The Colts have a lot more problems than just QB. Manning doesn't play all 22 positions on that team. It is not written in stone that they will draft Luck and I am sure they will look at all offers.

[Rypien1191]

Miami and Indy are still the only teams currently in front of us who are drafting QBs, and Miami will finish behind us in the end.

[Califan007]

Ok, so....is the thinking that the Colts will value an extra pick in the first 5 rounds over an extra pick in the first 4 rounds, even though those extra 4 picks in the first 4 rounds could be about 6 spots higher each round?...Is that the main thrust of the argument?

[redskindan07]

We will end up trading up for a QB in the draft

[JoeSkins]

Miami and Indy are still the only teams currently in front of us who are drafting QBs, and Miami will finish behind us in the end.

I tend to agree with you about Miami. That team is full of players trying to help their coach keep his job.

[Hitman21ST]

Ok, so....is the thinking that the Colts will value an extra pick in the first 5 rounds over an extra pick in the first 4 rounds, even though those extra 4 picks in the first 4 rounds could be about 6 spots higher each round?...Is that the main thrust of the argument?

Yeah. After the first round, the "value" of picks is a lot closer to each other, so you're not losing much in the way of value. More picks = more chances of getting a good pick. It all depends on if the Colts value quantity over quality, and with all the areas of concern on their roster, I think they will.

[RabidFan]

We hurt our draft status but Rexy has balled the last two games and the fans will be fine with him as the vet to keep to train the draftee we will take....I'd still want a top 5 pick if the cards fall for us. We need to lose to Minn though and need Cleve and Mia to win more than us.

[Skin'emAlive]

You're honestly worried about the dropoff between the 75th pick and the 81st?

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Two players, $60M in cap space, and only one can play. You really think they are taking Luck?

They can cut peyton after one season. Yea, i think they are getting luck. You dont let a pick like this get away.

[Sacks N Stuff]

I dispute the logic in this post.

That being said, I do want to trade up for Luck. I shall now go bump the three "trade up for Luck" threads the search feature produced.

[JoeSkins]

Yeah. After the first round, the "value" of picks is a lot closer to each other, so you're not losing much in the way of value. More picks = more chances of getting a good pick. It all depends on if the Colts value quantity over quality, and with all the areas of concern on their roster, I think they will.

It's a tough call; I'd say it all depends on how they feel after they've been able to poke, prod, measure, time, study, and interview him.

[Rufus T Firefly]

They can cut peyton after one season..

No, they can't. That would cost $35 mil+ for one year and create $33 mil in dead cap the next year. They are not going to do that to rent him for one season on a terrible team.

[Skin'emAlive]

No, they can't.

Seeing how Snyder made deals out of 0 cap space, im sure they can find a way. Cut a few older defensive players. Trade some pieces away. Start completely over.

[Sacks N Stuff]

No... They... Can't

[dallasfan]

Two players, $60M in cap space, and only one can play. You really think they are taking Luck?

FWIW, Cam Newton signed a 4 year 22 million dollar deal as the #1 pick in 2011. Luck at best may get a 4 year 25 or so million since everything is slotted now so their combined cap numbers will be no where near 60 million. More like 30 million. Reguardless ALuck's cap number (less than 7 million) won't factor into the situation. The only thing that will is, can you win a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning before he retires or needs to retire. If the Colts think their best chance to win a superbowl is to get a bounty of picks and use them to surround Manning with talent, then they'll deal the pick. But with Manning being 36 next march, do they believe that they he can win with a bunch of rookies? Especially since future picks would be involved and Manning only has a few years left. If they don't believe that they can surround Manning with the talent to win a super bowl, then the best thing for the franchise is to take a QB.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Seeing how Snyder made deals out of 0 cap space, im sure they can find a way. Cut a few older defensive players. Trade some pieces away. Start completely over.

So, they will pay him a preposterous sum of money to play one year on a terrible team, and the reason this makes sense is because....they'll have to make the terrible team worse to do so?

It'a almost too brilliant.

[spjunkies]

There is no doubt in my mind that Indy is going to trade that pick so I hope you're right.

[DGREENHULK]

What if Manning retires??...everything I've read makes me think this rehab is still going to take a LONG time....I'm just saying he is rich and still young enough to enjoy life...one more hit on that neck and his diapers are being changed by Archie. I want Luck just like most of you but the Colts would he foolish not to take him just in case.

[Hitman21ST]

Seeing how Snyder made deals out of 0 cap space, im sure they can find a way. Cut a few older defensive players. Trade some pieces away. Start completely over.

So you give Luck LESS than you gave Manning?

[Skin'emAlive]

So you give Luck LESS than you gave Manning?

Look.. i dont want them to draft Luck. I just cant see them letting him slip through their hands. If you have had a franchise qb for years who has won a superbowl with you, and he just went down with a serious career threatening neck injury, and you have an opportunity to draft the top qb prospect since that said qb, then i think you take him no matter what. You figure out a way.

[issapunk]

What about Luck not wanting to sit for 3 years? What if Manning is healthy and good to go for 4+ years? Besides this injury, he never gets hurt and barely ever gets hit. There are too many IF's to speculate exactly what they'll do, but trading the pick certainly isn't out of the question. Why not trade it and pick up a not so pro ready QB this year to sit behind Manning? Less pressure and not as big a QB controversy. But no one will know until April.

[kingdaddy]

If the Skins can come out of next years draft with 1). QB, 2). Big play WR, and 3). OL (right tackle), then they've significantly upgraded the team. If you can't get all 3 then get one of them in free agency. We could also use a scat back for defenses to have to game plan for. Playoffs or bust for the Shanahan's next year.

[dawgjk9]

If the Skins can come out of next years draft with 1). QB, 2). Big play WR, and 3). OL (right tackle), then they've significantly upgraded the team. If you can't get all 3 then get one of them in free agency. We could also use a scat back for defenses to have to game plan for. Playoffs or bust for the Shanahan's next year.

Pretty much agree here....except I feel like we can draft a legit QB in the mid 1st rd. IF we can do this...and this is under the assumption the Shannys see someone that they want that isn't barkley/luck and will be available in mid 1st rd....I wouldn't be opposed to trading down to get that qb and drafting a OT (RT or LT and moving Trent to RT). I think we need to sign a FA OG along w getting Lichtensteiger back adn move Chester to the bench. Then sign a FA WR if we can...though we could get by with what we have now if Hank proves to be the real deal. We aren't as far away as most people on here are making it seem...we just havehuge holes in very very important spots.

A cover corner would be great too.

[Skinsfan4life83]

What we seem to have here is a bunch of prophets. Apparently a percentage of our fanbase knows exactly what will happen come draft time.

Quick question. Can any of you Nostra-lame-o's give me next weeks lottery numbers?

No one has any idea what Indy's front office will do or ours for that matter. If Shanny wants a QB he will get him. Plain and simple. See Cutler, Jay.

[SirClintonPortis]

Yeah, you're right. They're not going to take the picks, the second or third best Qb in the draft, sit him behind Manning for a couple years while they build up the rest of the team to support the successor. They'll just take Luck and hope he can have the same effect as Manning. With all those picks, they could get another stud receiver, upgrade the line, get some help on the D, and still be in a good situation at QB.The Colts are an example of how QB-dependent teams are these days.
If Manning comes back, the Colts, as they are currently, easily return to being a perennial 10+ win team.
If Manning does not come back, the Colts would be better with someone other than the crappy Painter or similar caliber QBs running the show. So why not take the best damn QB possible?

Even if Manning comes back, he is not going to last long, and by then, the Colts will need a replacement anyway. So why not be proactive and prepare for that case? Hell, it worked out for Green Bay.

[thecardiacrll]

Yeah, I still think we can draft RGIII at our current pace. I hope so he is the QB I want....The problem in my mind is he's gonna most likely tear the combine (or his workouts if he doesnt go to the combine) and shoot up draft boards.

[FunkedUp]

The wishful thinking and rationalizations in this thread are outrageous. The scenarios about as likely as the one in which Natalie Portman's and Scarlet Johansson's boyfriends are oversexed and they trade them to me for Subway coupons - and I have my Superbowl Franchise threesome.

[Hitman21ST]

The Colts are an example of how QB-dependent teams are these days.
If Manning comes back, the Colts, as they are currently, easily return to being a perennial 10+ win team.
If Manning does not come back, the Colts would be better with someone other than the crappy Painter or similar caliber QBs running the show. So why not take the best damn QB possible?

Even if Manning comes back, he is not going to last long, and by then, the Colts will need a replacement anyway. So why not be proactive and prepare for that case? Hell, it worked out for Green Bay.

Which is why you take a Landry Jones, Matt Barkley, or RG3, 5 or 6 extra picks, and prepare for when Manning leaves by filling a lot of the obvious holes they have sans Manning. With Green Bay, they didn't sit the number 1 pick. They sat the #22 pick. Jones, Barkley, or RG3 would be that replacement that you're talking about. Only, instead of just getting a QB, they're getting a QB and 5 or 6 more players.

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The wishful thinking and rationalizations in this thread are outrageous. The scenarios about as likely as the one in which Natalie Portman's and Scarlet Johansson's boyfriends are oversexed and they trade them to me for Subway coupons - and I have my Superbowl Franchise threesome.

It's outrageous to think that the Colts will value more picks than just taking Luck and hoping for the best? Ok...