Penalty Count by Player

[richmond_skins]

As I saw Terrence Austin make another boneheaded penalty on special teams on the only decent ST return, my first reaction was we need to cut this guy. He showed some recieving potential with Beck but he doesn't really have the chemistry with Grossman and he keeps setting us back on our returns. So I found a website that shows penalties by player. Take a look for your viewing pleasure. Other is a broad category, but interesting stats none the less.

http://ww1.footballdb.com/penalties-player.html?tm=32

[SWFLSkins]

Trent WAH-WAH Williams

[2cents]

The penalty on Austin was a bad call.....he didn't block the guy. The guy knew he was behind him, stopped and Austin ran into him. I don't consider that a block in the back. Considering the inexcusible call on Wilson for PI and the other missed holding calls, yesterday was one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen.

[Califan007]

As I saw Terrence Austin make another boneheaded penalty on special teams on the only decent ST return, my first reaction was we need to cut this guy.

Which, unfortunately, is the knee-jerk reaction that a lot of ES members have towards players on the roster :ols:...

[richmond_skins]

Which, unfortunately, is the knee-jerk reaction that a lot of ES members have towards players on the roster :ols:...

I agree but I had to throw it out there. Watching our kick return game is frustrating and I need to blame it on somebody.

I think Austin is at the bottom of the WR list right now. Stallworth has shown some upside even though he gets grilled on this forum. Banks is hanging on with his few strong returns but needs to show more. Anderson is still a bit unknown.

[gchwood]

Why are we complaining about penalties of all things. We are the least penalized team in the NFL averaging 4.5 per game.

[richmond_skins]

Why are we complaining about penalties of all things. We are the least penalized team in the NFL averaging 4.5 per game.

Not whining, just sharing the page because I thought it had some interesting penalty stats. While we are the least penalized team, the penalties on ST have been frustrating since they keep negating our few decent returns.

[kiingspadee]

I really am hating Trent Williams.

[Zzj]

Wait... how does Grossman have a false start?

[Boss_Hogg]

Wow, Trent is really struggling.

[gchwood]

Wow, Trent is really struggling.


I really am hating Trent Williams.


Trent WAH-WAH Williams

I hope this is sarcasm. He is averaging less than 1 penalty per game.

[Darkstarr]

TW is fine, he also is going agaist the best pass rusher teams have week in an week out, so sure he might have a couple more penalties.

[Boss_Hogg]

I hope this is sarcasm. He is averaging less than 1 penalty per game.

I like Trent, I just wish he would get his head on straight.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I really am hating Trent Williams.

Wow, Trent is really struggling.

You realize he's only allowed 2.5 sacks so far this season. Jake Long has allowed 5.5. Russell Okung has allowed 4.5. Ryan Clady has allowed 4. Doug Free has also allowed 4.

Doug Free also has 9 penalties.

[NLC1054]

I hope this is sarcasm. He is averaging less than 1 penalty per game.

There goes that silly logic thing again.

The Redskins are ONE OF THE LEAST PENALIZED TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE.

But I guess that won't stop people for beating up on Rex and Trent, so whatever...

[Boss_Hogg]

You realize he's only allowed 2.5 sacks so far this season. Jake Long has allowed 5.5. Russell Okung has allowed 4.5. Ryan Clady has allowed 4. Doug Free has also allowed 4.

Doug Free also has 9 penalties.

Like I said, I like Trent...I was jumping for joy when he was drafted 4th overall. I just wish he would lay off the bonehead penalties.

[pjfootballer]

The penalty on Austin was a bad call.....he didn't block the guy. The guy knew he was behind him, stopped and Austin ran into him. I don't consider that a block in the back. Considering the inexcusible call on Wilson for PI and the other missed holding calls, yesterday was one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen.

If you are talking about the play where Wilson had his arm grabbed by Mike Williams and then shoved to the ground, I agree. It was bad all the way around.


Wait... how does Grossman have a false start?

Maybe he bobbed his head or moved out from behind center before the snap. It happens.

[HailGreen28]

Great info, RS. Thanks! I'm shocked Riley hasn't had more penalties. :whoknows:

[2cents]

If you are talking about the play where Wilson had his arm grabbed by Mike Williams and then shoved to the ground, I agree. It was bad all the way around.



Maybe he bobbed his head or moved out from behind center before the snap. It happens.

If I was Shanny after the PI call, after I got my UC penatly, I would have pulled my team off the field until another crew could have been brought in. That call was absolutly one of the worst I have ever seen, and THEY TALKED ABOUT IT AND STILL CALLED IT!!!!!

[SWFLSkins]

I hope this is sarcasm. He is averaging less than 1 penalty per game.

4 holds and a couple false starts don't bother me, the others where he lost his head do. I like TW and yeah he plays against the best most games, however what expectations should we have from a top pick like him?

[Reaper 21]

You realize he's only allowed 2.5 sacks so far this season. Jake Long has allowed 5.5. Russell Okung has allowed 4.5. Ryan Clady has allowed 4. Doug Free has also allowed 4.

Doug Free also has 9 penalties.

How accurate is this. A citing if you have it. Would love to make it my sig

[HailfrmDEN]

If that is updated to yesterdays game. Wilsons get thrown to the ground by the WR and get called for pass interference, should have an asteric next to it. That was like 40 yards.

[MassSkinsFan]

I've never been a coach, but if I were looking at these stats from a coach's point of view, I'd be talking to every single guy who had a false start. That is an inexcusable mental mistake and just can't happen. Same goes for UR and PF calls.

As for all the bitching and moaning about TW, his penalties are split between UR/PF/FS and holding. I expect OL to get holding called on them - it's really just an occupational hazard same as PI is for DBs. So, no complaints about those, just about the stupid penalties.

Overall this looks like a well-disciplined team, so we know that aspect has improved greatly.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

I really am hating Trent Williams.

Trent's a good LT, and when he matures a little more, he will become an elite LT.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Wait... how does Grossman have a false start?

The best one was yesterday's double throw penalty.

How many years has he played this game again?

Hail.

[skinsfanindallas88]

You realize he's only allowed 2.5 sacks so far this season. Jake Long has allowed 5.5. Russell Okung has allowed 4.5. Ryan Clady has allowed 4. Doug Free has also allowed 4.

Doug Free also has 9 penalties.

We don't like your kind round' here with all your stats and logic and such

kidding aside...thank you for sharing this...it really shows how much we take some of our guys for granted

[Dirt]

The best one was yesterday's double throw penalty.

How many years has he played this game again?

Hail.

Yea he should've known better, but it got me thinking...I know I've seen the Patriots a few years ago run a play where Brady throws it to a dude (looks like a quick screen) then the dude throws it back to Brady and Brady throws it downfield. Is that not 2 passes?

Hmm, I guess they weren't considered forward passes, but that could be argued. I don't really get the point of the rule anyway, like in what way could throwing the ball twice be taken advantage of? You can't throw once you're past the line of scrimmage anyway, soy typically any passes behind it would be backwards passes. It's not like Rex was given some unfair advantage being able to throw it again, in fact, he was ****ed lol, as you probably will be every time in that situation.

He probably 'knew' but was like, **** it, I'll just throw it to the ground instead of surely getting sacked and in FACT, it wasn't a loss of down as a sack would be and they got another play. Maybe it was genius!

[skinsfanindallas88]

Yea he should've known better, but it got me thinking...I know I've seen the Patriots a few years ago run a play where Brady throws it to a dude (looks like a quick screen) then the dude throws it back to Brady and Brady throws it downfield. Is that not 2 passes?

The penalty was for two FORWARD passes...you can throw it as many times as you want as long as its only thrown forward once

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Yea he should've known better, but it got me thinking...I know I've seen the Patriots a few years ago run a play where Brady throws it to a dude (looks like a quick screen) then the dude throws it back to Brady and Brady throws it downfield. Is that not 2 passes?

Did the initial pass go backwards, like a lateral? If it went forward twice, then it would be a foul.

Hail.

[Champskins]

"Roger" Mcintosh... I actually thought his real name was Rocky lol

[skinsfanindallas88]

"Roger" Mcintosh... I actually thought his real name was Rocky lol

Rocky is a nickname...his given name is Roger

[MassSkinsFan]

Yea he should've known better, but it got me thinking...I know I've seen the Patriots a few years ago run a play where Brady throws it to a dude (looks like a quick screen) then the dude throws it back to Brady and Brady throws it downfield. Is that not 2 passes?

Not when Tom Brady does it. :)

It probably was a situation where the first "pass" was a lateral. The rule says "An offensive team may make only one forward pass during each play from scrimmage (Loss of 5 yards)." A backwards pass is defined as any pass that does not move the ball forward. Laterals are backwards passes, and thus not subject to the restriction on number of forward passes.

[moondog]

Trent's a good LT, and when he matures a little more, he will become an elite LT.

Strongly agree. It does bother me that he has had a couple UR/PF penalties this year, one of which Shanahan pulled him for a couple plays for and spoke with him on the sidelines. I understand him being upset when he thought Lichtensteiger was hurt on a dirty play but he has had some bad ones that really hurt our offense in key situations and Shanahan has specifically called him out for it.

For him to be constantly the jawing with other players yesterday shows immaturity when Shanahan has already talked to him about it. He needs to not be involved in that kind of stuff.

I like us being one of the least penalized teams in the league - that speaks a lot about discipline. That Wilson PI call was complete bull**** but the fact we didn't have a single false start was huge yesterday in that stadium.

As far as Austin goes - I'll never understand blockers on special teams who continue to follow their guy past the returner or block guys that aren't involved in the play. Get the **** away from him. If the guy stopped running that's a smart play on his part but it wouldn't happen if you get the hell away from him because he doesn't matter once he's past Banks. I was half glad half embarrassed when he literally got tossed like a rag doll later out of bounds on special teams because he deserved it. I, among many others, was excited to see him play this year because I thought he had some potential. But he has failed to produce at all despite the injuries to our receivers and he has been outplayed by every receiver on our team including David Anderson. He's not going to be cut nor should he be, but he's definitely not a guy who has earned snaps on offense right now either.

[RSanz]

I actually LIKE Trent Williams' intensity. And if that means that he takes a Personal Foul call or two per season to keep the fire under his butt lit, then I can live with that.

Just wish the guy could stay healthy...

[aarobinson]

a majority of the holding calls on Trent have been of the phantom variety -- he mauls guys to the ground in a way that looks so unnatural that the flag just comes out sometimes.

[glongest]

Helu was called yesterday for a chop block and it was a critical penalty. I thought he actually got called for a chop block in the Dallas game but the link shows he only has one penalty. So maybe I was wrong but somebody got called in the Dallas game for a chop block which turned out to be a big play in that game. A chop block penalty should be pretty easy to avoid by seeing that the defensive player is engaged. So my question is does that fall on the player or does it fall to the coaches because that penalty should be easy to avoid. The rule is clear. It is not judgmental like pass interference.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Which, unfortunately, is the knee-jerk reaction that a lot of ES members have towards players on the roster :ols:...

Right...if it were up to ES, Perry Riley wouldn't have survived last year's Vikings game.

[stevemcqueen1]

Wait... how does Grossman have a false start?

Yeah. There is no way he can have a false start. He's not even on the line of scrimmage.

I'm questioning the accuracy of that chart. Are all of those other penalties illegal substitutions/motions and whatnot that they're just saddling Rex with?

I'm curious as to what he's being flagged so often for. I don't think it's intentional grounding.

[sportjunkie07]

looking at several different teams, you'll notice that the top positions for penalties are left tackle and cb. our team is not an exception.

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Yeah. There is no way he can have a false start. He's not even on the line of scrimmage.

I'm questioning the accuracy of that chart. Are all of those other penalties illegal substitutions/motions and whatnot that they're just saddling Rex with?

I'm curious as to what he's being flagged so often for. I don't think it's intentional grounding.

prolly a mix of int grounding and delay of game.

[stevemcqueen1]

Trent is the enforcer. He's the biggest most powerful player on the team. I want him standing up for our players in any sort of confrontation. Especially when you've got opponents pulling all of that no class busch league crap the Seahawks were yesterday.

Trent's nastiness is part of what makes him special and I want him pushing the limit and beating opponents up. I want him to have that killer instinct like Walter Jones--the great ones almost always do.

I want the guy who lines up against Trent all day to go home bruised and sore and demoralized. That's going to cause him to get flagged for a personal foul a couple times a year but what's that against a hundred other plays where he gets pancakes or rattles the teeth of a rusher with his punch?

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prolly a mix of int grounding and delay of game.

Delay of game got its own category though. I don't remember all that many intentional groundings either. I bet he gets saddled with the penalties that are really the fault of the offense as a whole or the coaching staff.

[ADF]

I believe Grossman got the false start in the last Cowboys game. He moved before the ball was snapped. I think he forgot the snap count. If the chart is up to date, then there was the illegal forward pass from the last game. The rest are probably delay of game and intentional grounding.

[Renegade7]

What is this Trent's second season?

The type of player he is, I expect him to be a hothead. He has our players backs though when it gets thick, that's what matter right now. He's also been getting the job done at LT, so I ain't pressed. He'll get right...

[2cents]

Trent is the enforcer. He's the biggest most powerful player on the team. I want him standing up for our players in any sort of confrontation. Especially when you've got opponents pulling all of that no class busch league crap the Seahawks were yesterday.

Trent's nastiness is part of what makes him special and I want him pushing the limit and beating opponents up. I want him to have that killer instinct like Walter Jones--the great ones almost always do.

I want the guy who lines up against Trent all day to go home bruised and sore and demoralized. That's going to cause him to get flagged for a personal foul a couple times a year but what's that against a hundred other plays where he gets pancakes or rattles the teeth of a rusher with his punch?

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Delay of game got its own category though. I don't remember all that many intentional groundings either. I bet he gets saddled with the penalties that are really the fault of the offense as a whole or the coaching staff.

And watch the game again from yesterday, and there was a lot of jawing and bumping. Seattle was trying to bait Trent into a penalty or two and he didn't bite. He is learning.

[sportjunkie07]

Delay of game got its own category though. I don't remember all that many intentional groundings either. I bet he gets saddled with the penalties that are really the fault of the offense as a whole or the coaching staff.

oh thats right. maybe illegal motion.

[SkinsTribeVA]

I agree but I had to throw it out there. Watching our kick return game is frustrating and I need to blame it on somebody.

I think Austin is at the bottom of the WR list right now. Stallworth has shown some upside even though he gets grilled on this forum. Banks is hanging on with his few strong returns but needs to show more. Anderson is still a bit unknown.

Our kick return game is ranked #5 in the league, and we're 11th in punt returns...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/kickReturnYards
Remember when some people here wanted to cut Brandon Banks? haha

[richmond_skins]

Our kick return game is ranked #5 in the league, and we're 11th in punt returns...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/kickReturnYards
Remember when some people here wanted to cut Brandon Banks? haha

You are looking at total yards which ignores the number of returns. If you look at average we are 27th in kick return and 14th in punt return. Not as impressive. On a side note, Patrick Peterson and Devin Hester are freaks of nature.

[bedlamVR]

I love the discipline the team is showing . I also love the knee jerk anti Williams posts .

I have to say the refs were amongst the many (MANY) self inflicted hurdles we had to overcome to win on Sunday . I know complaing about the refs is looser mentality even in an win and everyone says you get the good and bad calls and it all evens out . It seemed all one way trafic in this game .

The PI call on Wilson was a joke as was the block in the back . That was about as incidental as it comes . The Seahawks player over ran Banks and put on the breaks to get after him and Austin was not expecting him to stop as suddenly as he did .

The chop block is ticky tack like holding, they only call it some of the time . It sucks .

But the calls which really got me going on Sunday were the blatent non calls . There was one rush were Orakpo was esentially getting mugged infront of the ref and the comentator said as the play was going on about the hold on Orakpo (it was that obvious) but was not called .

There was the Banks sack which wasn't where Jackson was being rag dolled to the ground spun around and around and the play was esentially over but he throws the ball away . He was still probably just about inside the tackle box the pas didn't make it anywhere near the LOS and they call illegal reciever down field . As was questioned at the time when does the in the grasp rule come in . That should have been ruled ether a sack or intentional grounding . Either would have been better for the Skins as it resulted in the loss of down . But the Refs come up with the do-over get out for the Seahawks .

Also one final thing . Yes it was a bonehead play by Rex and I am not sure it was a concisous decision to throw the ball, with the defender in his face he simply did not want the ball . But I am sure I have seen equally waky plays involving the likes of Romo and Farve and Brady but no flag was thrown before . Seems for some teams the officiating teams have money on the game .

[MusicCitySkin]

Trent in only his second season frustrated Demarcus Ware so much that he was forced to go to the right side to work on Jamaal Brown.

I think he'll be fine.