It's time to shut Landry down for the rest of the season

[vigilante]

This is getting pathetic. Every season he always has some type of injury. I'm highly disappointed in our safeties this year. I had the perception that with Atogwe and Landry in the secondary, we'd have a good ballhawking and hard-hitting combination. :(

There's honestly no use in allowing Landry to play the rest of the season. It's probably best that we shut him down and let him heal so we can get ready for next year.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

I was a huge supporter last year but I cant justify re-signing someone who is constantly hurt. He and Mike Green from the Caps just aren't worth the money if they barely play.

[Champskins]

they rushed him back too soon (or he rushed back too soon because its a contract year) in the first place... should have been out this whole season

[skinsfanindallas88]

He's turned into Bob Sanders...sad really...well the latest mock draft i saw had us taking ray ray armstrong in the 3rd so it may be bye bye laron

[DC9]

they rushed him back too soon (or he rushed back too soon because its a contract year) in the first place... should have been out this whole season

I don't think this was a viable option because he was in a contract year. You don't tell someone to go get the surgery and chill out on IR and we'll sign you later... and conversly, Landry doesn't get the surgery and sit out the season when he is trying to make money this year.

It was a tough decision and I think the FO did the best they could by sitting him for the whole pre-season and the first three games of the regular season. Someone has to sit down with the guy and say, look bro, your body isn't designed to carry this much weight, you have to tone it down some in the offseason.

It's a good problem to have when you have a hard working player, I'd say Landry is the extreme example, but I am on the side that his production/injury history/botched assignments have worn me thin of support for him.


HAIL!

[Champskins]

He's turned into Bob Sanders...sad really...well the latest mock draft i saw had us taking ray ray armstrong in the 3rd so it may be bye bye laron

Give me Kenny Tate as a safety prospect/ hybrid LB

[Redskins4ever]

It's time for the Redskins to move on from LaRon. Indeed, he was having a pro bowl year last season before that Achilles injury derailed him and set him back. Then as mentioned above, he missed all of preseason and the first three games of the regular season this year. Bruce Allen has to take a look into the future and decide if this ongoing injury bug with Landry is going to continue on. Landry has given no indication that it won't. So, that's the reason the Redskins have to let him go.

[Truant]

I'm not the biggest LaRon fan, but I think we're underestimating him a little here. Has he been banged up, absolutely. But when he's right he's one of our best players. When he was healthy and in the right system he was on his way to compete for defensive player of the year.

He had an injury last year that he never quite came back from. By compensating he gave himself other injuries.

I wouldn't IR him, he wouldn't like that. Players don't want to be IRed in their contract year. But I'd hold him out as much as possible and franchise him for next year. See if he can get himself healthy.

[terpskins10]

Give me Kenny Tate as a safety prospect/ hybrid LB

Kenny Tate is probably going to stay another year due to his injury. He isn't that good anyway, trust me.

[Drunken Master III]

It would be best to franchise Landry and see if he produces next season. No way they should just let him walk.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

LL said in another thread (i dont want to quote him b/c i cant remember word for word) something like dont expect to see him again this year.

[kubstix]

I doubt Landry is a Redskin next year. This is going to hurt me because I've controlled FS in Madden from 06 until 08 (Sean Taylor) and almost put the game down forever knowing he wasn't going to be in 09. Landry helped me coup with my Madden issues and I switched to using the SS instead. He is a BEAST in 2012. Now I don't know what I'm going to do in next years Madden. Bummer.

[authentic]

I wonder if all that added muscle may have been too much for his frame to handle.

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Selfishly, i would hope for a sign & trade so we can get something back for him. Otherwise, I don't see his career going up hill from here unless he takes significant time to get his body together.

[JohnnyUtah]

LL said in another thread (i dont want to quote him b/c i cant remember word for word) something like dont expect to see him again this year.

Good! Anyone that is marginally injured, substantially at least, should be shut down. There's nothing really left to play for other than pride at this point. I'd love to see what we have sitting on our bench. Plus, I want to help the QB draft stock.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

I wonder if all that added muscle may have been too much for his frame to handle.

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Selfishly, i would hope for a sign & trade so we can get something back for him. Otherwise, I don't see his career going up hill from here unless he takes significant time to get his body together.

Im sure hes going to want some serious cash...so idk if thats going to happen. Would be nice tho

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

Steroids can really break your body down quickly.

Just sayin'

[vigilante]

The funny thing is that Dejon Gomes has played surprisingly well when healthy in Landry's absence. I think out of all our safeties, he has the most upside.

Still, Landry holds a lot of value. I don't think we should let him go. A 3-year deal should suffice, but he shouldn't expect a large contract after being injured half of his time in DC.

[MLSKINS]

Steroids can really break your body down quickly.

Just sayin'

:munchout:


My thing with Landry and Atogwe is they just haven't been healthy enough this season to see how well they play together. When they are on the field at the same time, you see some good things, but how how many games have they played together. 3 maybe 4? :whoknows:

[HOF44]

I'd gathered from following the board that what he really needs to get right is surgery on the achilles. Being a contract year he declined to have it done. His future seems very clouded right now. Doubt he gets big money form anyone until he has the surgery and shows he's back to normal.

[USS Redskins]

The dude had like, what, 10 good games in 5 years?

He is way too injury prone... the Skins are used to playing without him anyway... bye 30

[Never4Get21]

Agreed. Even the coaches know he's only good for 6 games a season

[CantonBound]

This situation reminds me a lot of David Boston when he bulked up. Boston's wasn't legit and, until proven otherwise, I have to assume that LaRon's is legit but at a certain point, it stresses the body.

[Duckus]

He has been overrated here for years. I wish we would have traded him before the season started or at least before the trade deadline. Honestly, how many memorable plays does he even have?

[Dirt]

If i'm not mistaken, whatever's keeping him down now is NOT his achilles, so all the talk about 'he should have sat the year out from day one' is silly.

And he's a good player, and the trade deadline's over, AND it's a contract year so all the talk of "let's trade him now while we can get something" is also silly.

I can't imagine why you guys don't like Laron and wouldn't want him back. Safety positions could use depth, but Laron is the ideal option. if he's not, name one pls.

[jthor99]

Maybe Laron should being concerned with his max bench press and be more concerned with watching more game film?

[skinsmania123]

He has been overrated here for years. I wish we would have traded him before the season started or at least before the trade deadline. Honestly, how many memorable plays does he even have?

Exactly. Finally someone on here who has actually watched Landry at SS. He is simply not a very good player.

[PerryMason]

Exactly. Finally someone on here who has actually watched Landry at SS. He is simply not a very good player.

I kind of agree. It's kind of like he's a perpetual player coming out of college. HUGE ceiling but not quite there yet. Except that's been every year. I kind of am surprised when color commentators comment on how he's a "Troy Polamalu clone" or an "All-Pro Safety". It just isn't true. He could be, he has the talent and capability, but it just isn't true. That being said I still think we should resign him.

[deejaydana]

I hate that he's this far into his career and every time I see him he's still going for the "kill shot" on his opponent instead of the smart play to help the team. It's fun to watch, for sure, I mean he has incredible athleticism, but it doesn't seem to me like he's really evolved much at the position.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

In all seriousness, the guy has tremendous playmaking ability and when healthy can single-handly change the games momentum. His range from sideline-to-sideline is something every team has to plan ahead for.

Good safeties are hard to find. It would almost be worth tagging him for a season and seeing if he can earn that long term deal he desires.

[HOF44]

If i'm not mistaken, whatever's keeping him down now is NOT his achilles,

Thats not whats listed, but oftentimes when you have an injury like that you end up hurting something else trying to compensate for the problem.

[skinsmania123]

I kind of agree. It's kind of like he's a perpetual player coming out of college. HUGE ceiling but not quite there yet. Except that's been every year. I kind of am surprised when color commentators comment on how he's a "Troy Polamalu clone" or an "All-Pro Safety". It just isn't true. He could be, he has the talent and capability, but it just isn't true. That being said I still think we should resign him.

I think we have so many issues that I would be O.K. if we franchise tagged him and brought him in on certain schemes, but I have watched when he has had to cover guys, and all the defender has to do is give him a double move, go vertical and its over. I think he is good in some of the blitz schemes Haslett dials up but NOT if he winds up one on one with a guy trying to cover him. I feel the same way about him as I do DHall. Just overrated players who get beat a lot. I do not want to reward Landry with a big contract.

[jthor99]

In all seriousness, the guy has tremendous playmaking ability and when healthy can single-handly change the games momentum. His range from sideline-to-sideline is something every team has to plan ahead for.

Good safeties are hard to find. It would almost be worth tagging him for a season and seeing if he can earn that long term deal he desires.

His price tag would be between 8-10M. With his inability to stay on the field, I just don't see that being a smart decision. Let him walk, New England does it with their seconday every offseason. It's about the system. Let someone else go overpay for a muscle head, who is not a student of the game

[TheLongshot]

He has been overrated here for years. I wish we would have traded him before the season started or at least before the trade deadline. Honestly, how many memorable plays does he even have?

Problem is, he spent a lot of his time here playing the wrong position. When Sean Taylor died, he was moved into the FS position, and in the end he wasn't suited for it. Before he got injured last year, he was a beast doing what he does best. As for this year, he really hasn't been right all year long. (Along with Atogwe)

It is going to be somewhat of a tough position for the team in the offseason about Laron. In this day and age, you need that type of talent at the Safety position. The question is, do they think he will be able to play up to the level he was playing at last year?

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

His price tag would be between 8-10M. With his inability to stay on the field, I just don't see that being a smart decision. Let him walk, New England does it with their seconday every offseason. It's about the system. Let someone else go overpay for a muscle head, who is not a student of the game

I hear what you are saying, but it's also kind of like when I take my girl out and she orders the most expensive thing on the menu... She doesn't care because she's not paying. Snyder won't mind shelling out 9 million for a guy who plays 8 games as long as that guy has one of the most recognizable names/faces on the roster.

If I'm not mistaken, the franchise tag doesn't count against the salary cap does it? If not, then we'd be stupid not to tag him and see if he ever meets his potential.

[cphil006]

I'd rather him heal. His legs look much skinnier... probably because he has laid off the running and I can just tell his strength isn't there either. If he needed surgery he should have had it last offseason. If he still needs it... he needs to have it Monday and come back in July.

[Truant]

New England does it with their seconday every offseason. It's about the system. Let someone else go overpay for a muscle head, who is not a student of the game

New England is dead last in pass defense this year, giving up a tidy 310 yards a game (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1).

[jthor99]

New England is dead last in pass defense this year, giving up a tidy 310 yards a game (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1).

You would be correct in a micro perspective

I'm speaking in macro terms if you look at New England they have constantly let secondary guys walk. Asante Samuels being the most talented.

To me, if you have a pass rush you don't need to overspend on your secondary.

[skinsfanindallas88]

Wouldn't be shocked to see him end up in Dallas either...their secondary is painfully bad

[HailGreen28]

Again?

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[cphil006]

Wouldn't be shocked to see him end up in Dallas either...their secondary is painfully bad

He'd be a Roy Williams except with a bad achilles

[CjSuAvE22]

In all seriousness, the guy has tremendous playmaking ability and when healthy can single-handly change the games momentum. His range from sideline-to-sideline is something every team has to plan ahead for.

Good safeties are hard to find. It would almost be worth tagging him for a season and seeing if he can earn that long term deal he desires.

Exactly....People on this board want to let people go i dont get it same thing with Los last year they dont see the upside in the players we have just the points that devalue them, Yes hes been hurt its probably because of the whole debacle this offseason with the labor dispute he didnt get the proper rehabilitation, we have to resign this guy hes worth having on the team dont be so sure to pencil in Gomes as the next best thing...look how horton turned out.

[NewCliche21]

He's a pain in the ass with the celebrations, but that's about it.

When he has a good defensive coordinator, he's all-pro. When he had a bad one, he wasn't playing like he could.

As it was said, he really hasn't been right all year. Tough luck for him, but if WE aren't going to sign him for Polamalu money, then NOBODY is.

[bowhunter]

Are y'all crazy with the talk of NOT signing him? Rest him? Maybe, but to let him walk away would be crazy wrong. The kid has heart and is a home grown 'Skin.

[amm0409]

In all seriousness, the guy has tremendous playmaking ability and when healthy can single-handly change the games momentum. His range from sideline-to-sideline is something every team has to plan ahead for.

Good safeties are hard to find. It would almost be worth tagging him for a season and seeing if he can earn that long term deal he desires.

I hate to say anything negative. Geez, what I'd love to see "Landry and Taylor." When you talk about sideline to sideline I think of Taylor. Yes, Landry is good, but his messed up too many as well. The guy was hurt and talked all kinds of junk pre-game before Eagles and got burnt first play (thats what I remember now,2010). I hope he gets healthy and proves me wrong. yes, he has the occasional, WOW hit. He made some bad plays that were question marks even this year (Fletcher got Mad!)

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Are y'all crazy with the talk of NOT signing him? Rest him? Maybe, but to let him walk away would be crazy wrong. The kid has heart and is a home grown 'Skin.

I like your post. I think we need to simmer with the questions, let him Get Healthy 100% and see what happens. I dont think he was at his best, same goes for Oshiomogho Atogwe

[Rickc402]

I feel we should resign Landry and place him on IR. He is a excellent strong safety and was been nicked up. He just needs to rest and heal up. Last year he was a man among boys, lets not forget that, and we should all be wary of the "cut him crowd"...the same crowd that ran Rogers out of town....brilliant!

[ConnSKINS26]

I feel we should resign Landry and place him on IR. He is a excellent strong safety and was been nicked up. He just needs to rest and heal up. Last year he was a man among boys, lets not forget that, and we should all be wary of the "cut him crowd"...the same crowd that ran Rogers out of town....brilliant!

Rogers NEEDED to be run out of town. He didn't care enough to get his eyes checked as a Redskin, and he didn't WANT to be here. That right there is all you need to know. You don't want someone here, who doesn't want to be here. People forget that when talking about Rogers' resurgence this year.

[Lavarleap56]

Larons out with a groin/achillies and all year long the achillies has caused and will continue to cause other leg injuries do to compensastion. Laron when healthy and focused is a hell of a talent on the field but reality is hes had leg injuries on a yearly basis since his rookie year and they will continue to get worse and more frequent. The achillies needs surgery for him to even have a shot at getting back to full health but also theres some damage done thats irreversible at this point. I would not resign him and i hate to say it but he will not be the player that flashed for 8 games last year ever again and maybe ill post in depth about it when hes moved on.

[Rickc402]

Rogers NEEDED to be run out of town. He didn't care enough to get his eyes checked as a Redskin, and he didn't WANT to be here. That right there is all you need to know. You don't want someone here, who doesn't want to be here. People forget that when talking about Rogers' resurgence this year.

SO I just want to make sure, I understand....we need to not resign Davis and let Williams play out his contract and then let him go. After all they don't care enough not to smoke pot. See I think your wrong, it's call LEADERSHIP and it nessasary to COACH players and be involved in their lives. Rogers medical problem should have been found in DC and it would have created and differant relationship with the fans and therefore no reason to move on. He didn't hate DC as much as DC hated him.

[ConnSKINS26]

SO I just want to make sure, I understand....we need to not resign Davis and let Williams play out his contract and then let him go. After all they don't care enough not to smoke pot. See I think your wrong, it's call LEADERSHIP and it nessasary to COACH players and be involved in their lives. Rogers medical problem should have been found in DC and it would have created and differant relationship with the fans and therefore no reason to move on. He didn't hate DC as much as DC hated him.

You're just babbling nonsense.

He didn't like DC because he felt he was owed a payday here. He never earned it here, so he never received it here. Its as simple as that.

[brandymac27]

Larons out with a groin/achillies and all year long the achillies has caused and will continue to cause other leg injuries do to compensastion. Laron when healthy and focused is a hell of a talent on the field but reality is hes had leg injuries on a yearly basis since his rookie year and they will continue to get worse and more frequent. The achillies needs surgery for him to even have a shot at getting back to full health but also theres some damage done thats irreversible at this point. I would not resign him and i hate to say it but he will not be the player that flashed for 8 games last year ever again and maybe ill post in depth about it when hes moved on.

Will he be moving on after this season?

[Lavarleap56]

Will he be moving on after this season?

Depends on alot of things so tough to say 100%. I do know that Laron wants to get paid but also understands he needs to be healthy.

[bedlamVR]

Hey LL, if as you say Landry is never going to get healthy without surgery - I am not doubting you here I am just asking . And he is obviously struggling more and more then why is he not shutting himself down . Surely the team understands the situation and he must understand he is not going to get paid $$$ by any team with this lingering injury .

I have heard that the surgery proposed is very very risky but if he keeps postponing it does that not make things even worse ?

[polywog999]

Every year, Laron gets a pass for shoddy play because he has a muscular physique. Every year, some unhappy fan points this out and gets hammered by the LL's man-crush swat team.

Every year, grown men.....heterosexual men......men with wives..... completely trash Reed Doughty, LL's usual replacement, for being slow, boring and not having "guns."

Every year defensive stats magically improve in Landry's absence.

Ergo - huge biceps and highlight reel hits do not a safety make. The position requires brain power - not hype.

Please join me in stopping all this misguided horny-ness. Men, go and return to the woman who bore your children.

It's never going to work out.

Your unrequited love for Laron, nor LL's incredibly mediocre and completely over-blow tenure as a Redskins safety.

[polywog999]

Rogers NEEDED to be run out of town. He didn't care enough to get his eyes checked as a Redskin, and he didn't WANT to be here. That right there is all you need to know. You don't want someone here, who doesn't want to be here. People forget that when talking about Rogers' resurgence this year.

No, we screwed up and should have kept him. He is playing lights out now. Why didn't he want to be here? Because he was openly mocked by everybody and their brother.

[Buford]

you make him a fair offer for his performance lately (that includes the fact he's been hurt a lot) and let him either take it or walk. I can't see anybody paying him more elsewhere....and if they do. Good luck. Maybe they can get him to get lighter up top and save his legs from the weight.

[CjSuAvE22]

you make him a fair offer for his performance lately (that includes the fact he's been hurt a lot) and let him either take it or walk. I can't see anybody paying him more elsewhere....and if they do. Good luck. Maybe they can get him to get lighter up top and save his legs from the weight.

It would be stupid to do nething other then what u said, we have to offer him something fair..

[Buford]

exactly. I think if healthy and maybe coaches to cut out the nonsense....he would be a top safety in the league. However, those two issues have hurt him. He needs to focus on becoming leaner...and as far as playing.....improve his fundamentals. Wrapping up on tackles, staying in position, etc. Those are his issues.

Still, you have cap room. I think both our safeties have been very poor this year...and then Doughty sadly has been exposed for his physical limits. Gomes has much upside and should be playing a ton for the rest of the season if he's healthy. The whole secondary needs an overhaul. From Hall to Landry. Either improve....or don't play.

[dockeryfan]

We'll really see if Allen is in charge with this offseason. If the team gets back to overpaying for talent, then it will be proof that it is business as usual. That the coaches are really driving the train, not the other way around. McNabb sent up some red flags. Let's see what this offseason brings.

[skin23]

Pretty straightforward to me. Performance-based contract with a lot of incentives based on play. Bruce Allen is showing a knack for protecting against high-risk situations, and this is the ideal way to do it in my opinion. There are legitimate concerns about his ability to stay healthy, and any achilles injury is impossible to get around in sports. So if it's chronic, it'll be clearly evident moving forward.

[Son of Gadsden]

If we let LaRon go, it will be one of our biggest regrets. Champ Bailey all over again, except without Portis.

[polywog999]

If we let LaRon go, it will be one of our biggest regrets. Champ Bailey all over again, except without Portis.

Laron < Champ.

[Buford]

If we let LaRon go, it will be one of our biggest regrets. Champ Bailey all over again, except without Portis.

pfffft. Champ Bailey turned out to not make a huge impact in Denver. Every once in awhile he had a highlight, but too often he gave up the big play at the worst time. I remember a home playoff game against pittsburgh where the Steelers #3 WR burned him a number of times in route to Bronco loss.

Bailey was the ultimate small game big performer. He'd pick off QB's like nothing when it was early in the year or not a huge game.

[chipwhich]

We'll really see if Allen is in charge with this offseason. If the team gets back to overpaying for talent, then it will be proof that it is business as usual. That the coaches are really driving the train, not the other way around. McNabb sent up some red flags. Let's see what this offseason brings.

Uhh, the coaches are and have been driving the train. If you were under any delusion that Allen is other than a capologist/figurehead then you are mistaken.

Shanny drives this train. He will be buying the groceries.

[vigilante]

Agreed :logo:

[Metskins]

The rush to judgement, given the fact he's been so injured, is obviously against re-signing him. He hasn't lived up to his billing on a consistent level but he is a playmaker. I'd like to see them resign him to a modest contract and if he can find something else, good for him. He also seems to be one of these guys who works out 7 days a week without giving his body a ton of rest. That can only lead to more injury.

[SBboundbaby]

i am skins fan. and as long as he is on my team. then i will hope for the best for LL. BUT, he is injury prone. BUT, he also a playmaker when healthy. i agree with the franchise tagg and see what he does next year crowd. i still have high hopes for him. but yeah, his window of opportunity is closing fast here. i just hope if he does go elsewhere, he does not get/play better after he leaves. hindsight is allways 20/20 yaknow.


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[SBboundbaby]

i am skins fan. and as long as he is on my team. then i will hope for the best for LL. BUT, he is injury prone. BUT, he also a playmaker when healthy. i agree with the franchise tagg and see what he does next year crowd. i still have high hopes for him. but yeah, his window of opportunity is closing fast here. i just hope if he does go elsewhere, he does not get/play better after he leaves. hindsight is allways 20/20 yaknow.


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[Cane26]

Ray Ray Armstrong is a wack strong safety. i watched him at miami. nothing but a head hunter. barely goes for the ball. Antonio Allen is a badass for south carolina. personally believe that Laron needs to drop a few pounds and regain his health again. i want to see him back at the shape he was when he played for LSU. I believe he can rebound and be an asset to the Redskins.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Shut down Landry and Otogwe both. Give them both the off-season to get healthy. Both have been playing at less than 100% all year. I think when healthy these two will make our secondary quite formidable.