Redskins vs Patriots: Official ES QB Discussion Thread

[Jumbo]

Sorry, guys, too much went south this week and didn't have time to get a crew together for these or develop solid OPs for these threads--so you're all on your own to get it rolling and keep it interesting. Talk football! Do it right! I have faith in youse! :D

Oops. This one got left behind. Sexy Rexy The Hexy Misfiring Cannon Time :cool:

[brandymac27]

I was looking everywhere for this :) Overall, I thought Rex did a good job. He wasn't perfect, but far from the turnover machine we thought he was gonna be. And considering Trent was out of the game, I was worried he'd have problems, but he hung in there today and I'm proud as all hell :D

[Destino]

I'll contribute some fuel for the QB fire:

Rex has 20 turnovers (16 interceptions 4 lost fumbles) in 10 starts this season. That's 2 turnovers per game this season. As a redskin he has 27 turnovers (20 interceptions and 7 lost fumbles) in 13 starts. Again we see the 2 turnovers per game.

Of his 13 starts he's had
10 games 2 turnovers or more:
3 games 1 turnover
0 game without a turnover

So yes he's gone 13 games with a turnover... but crazier still is that 77% of his starts result in 2 or more turnovers.

In that same time period he has 20 TDs (19 passing 1 rushing). So for those of you that are tempted to think he's looked good lately remember that your lying eyes can't be trusted. I don't care what else he does averaging 2 turnovers per game doesn't generate winning results.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Rex is a TO machine, but what I enjoy is seeing our team play other teams so tough. These game are beginning to prove that we are just a few pieces away from being a decent team. Just give the Shanahans some time.

[ConnSKINS26]

To be fair, Rex was one freak bobble by Moss away from having a TO-less game. And before that, he was one one PI on Moss away from a TO-less first four quarters, possibly heading into overtime.

[terrifNick21]

To be fair, Rex was one freak bobble by Moss away from having a TO-less game. And before that, he was one one PI on Moss away from a TO-less first four quarters, possibly heading into overtime.

(Check the first Patriots TD)

[lazarus0280]

I am in no way a Rex supporter.... but alot of those stats are scewed. NO...he def is not the future but I would def like to see his stats if you take away the ones that were blatantly not his fault. Seems like there are at least 5 or 6 of those int's that were deflections. Another couple were from new recievers running wrong routes.....

Like I said...he not long term answer but if Skins get the rest of the pieces together I don't think he is the worst #2 qb u could have. Our WR's have dropped alot and helped the defenses alot this year. Todays last play to santana just one of many.

[ConnSKINS26]

(Check the first Patriots TD)

****. :ols:

[Boss_Hogg]

I thought Rex played well. He scanned the field and didn't throw check down passes ala John Beck.

Rex would be a premier QB is he didn't turn the ball over 2-3x per game.

[jivelikenice]

Rex played a solid game today. There were a couple of times though where I felt he made up his mind on where to go to soon and didn't trust the play to develop. Considering the time he had he could have been a little more patient in those situations.

[Jumbo]

Here's the best frame in which I can put Rex: he presents fair evidence that even as screwed up as the rest of the offense is in various ways and due to various factors, it could function competitively against even good teams if turnovers were much more limited.

So that means with a QB with even just Rex-level positives (which isn't all that high a standard) but much less turnover prone, and our injury/suspension offensive issues settled going into next year, we'll be major strides ahead even before addressing the line and a #1 wide-out/burner.

Now I'm not sure I want Rex even as a back-up any longer than absolutely necessary, but it may be we need him another year.

[aussieskin]

Rex was good today, the Oline kept the D out of his face and gave him time to allow downfield situations to evolve, and some of the long bombs were really good, we matched it point for point with the Patriots on the offence only the first td of the game was unanswered by our defence but Rex did well today

[lazarus0280]

Here's the best frame in which I can put Rex: he presents fair evidence that even as screwed up as the rest of the offense is in various ways and due to various factors, it could function competitively against even good teams if turnovers were much more limited.

So that means with a QB with even just Rex-level positives (which isn't all that high a standard) but much less turnover prone, and our injury/suspension offensive issues settled going into next year, we'll be major strides ahead even before addressing the line and a #1 wide-out/burner.

Now I'm not sure I want Rex even as a back-up any longer than absolutely necessary, but it may be we need him another year.

Excellent post, and I agree 100% Heaven forbid Shanny skips on a QB this year hoping for Jordan Rodgers (aaron rodgers bro) or something and addresses every other position of need this year on offense....ie/ Big WR and more OL ( i think we cool RB depth), then adding some DL or CB/S depth. If we were to refortify Oline...slightly bolster defensive secondary, at this junction I think we see a marked improvement, with Grossman as Qb. So with a top tier qb draft pick...possibly....we make that jump...

[skinsrbeast]

We should definitely bring back Rex for next year in order to groom our QB if we have one, bridge one more year, or to backup someone. However, Rex Grossman just seems to play scared at times. He forces passes when the pocket breaks down and has a lot of intentional groundings this year. He needs to stay in the pocket and develop an internal clock to get rid of the ball quicker. Reminds me of what Carson Palmer has become now. Sometimes Palmer makes big time throws, but under pressure he forces throws and he rarely throws the ball away which results in many interceptions as well as fumbles from sacks. I want a quarterback that has more confidence in the pocket, and if Rex increase his football IQ (i.e. internal clock and ball security) I think he could be an average to above average quarterback as we await for our future QB

[SkinsGuy]

Grossman was good on Sunday, but of course, we all know how Jekyll/Hyde he can be. Next week, he might throw 4 INTs and fumble twice.

Jumbo is right though. These games lately show we are headed in the right directon. If we can get a QB here who is more consistent and less turnover prone than Grossman, this offense, I believe, is going places.

[Dirt]

man Rex can drive ya nuts. We need a td on that last drive, and honestly, he already threw one..but the play afterwards I said 'get it back to moss right here in front of our seats in this corner of the endzone, cmon!'. Santana ran right at us, wide open(from my view), and Rex, with at least a couple more seconds to work, rolling right, sticks it to gaffney for 2-3 yards.

Now, questioning Rex's field vision is fair, but damnit, does anyone still remember the 4th down TD toss to moss earlier in the season when he opted NOT to throw at a wide open gaffney in the flat for just the 1st down? if that misses he's an idiot, but it was ballsy and decisive. Now, in this best offensive game of the season against the freaking patriots and you're throwing on them all day.. he decides to be safe...of all times lol. He even said on the INT pass he just wanted to set up a 4th and closer.

What the hell is wrong with you Rex, will you figure out who you are already?? Go to moss, go for the TD fool. It was working. Perhaps eddelman knew the last call was questionable and didn't want to get as physical the next play. Yea, he didn't, Moss stuck a foot, spun and had a whole 3rd of the endzone to himself.

Anyway, that's something I haven't really heard discussed, how wide open Santana was on that play. Rex had plenty of time. He's nuts, he pump fakes sitting in the pocket in his own endzone, but doesn't think he has enough time to do so when he's scrambling free across the field. I'm enjoying Rex in a weird way but I can only take 3 more games of friggin jekyll and hyde

[SkinsGuy]

man Rex can drive ya nuts.


A guy on the radio said it best the other day. Grossman does his level best to keep BOTH teams in the game. :ols:

He does good things for his team (be it the Bears or the Redskins), but does enough bad things EVERY game to give the other team constant hope.

The Redskins do need to upgrade at QB next season if to just get some solid consistency (and less turnovers).

[skins island connection]

Of course you must realize that, Rex was playing against a defense equal to Upper Southwestern Louisiana Commonwealth.
Given, overall he played ok; not great, just ok. Still alot of bone-headed plays, overthrown balls, and the ever-glaring pocket presence he displayed on the 1st drive; the "deer-in-the-headlights stare where he thought every player on the Pats were in prevent defense 30 yds downfield.
The game began, and ended with a turnover; his decision to throw the pass to Moss at the end was horrible, being there were about 6 Pats players right on him; Moss would have gone nowhere anyway, but its all water under the bridge; I am numb to wins and losses right now, just wanna get the season over with, and see who we get as a qb.
I'm not so sure RG3 would be the qb Mike has in mind, but anything will be an improvement...

[SWO-tarious]

To be fair, Rex was one freak bobble by Moss away from having a TO-less game. And before that, he was one one PI on Moss away from a TO-less first four quarters, possibly heading into overtime.

+1. We all know that Rex isn't the answer for the future, but he did have a respectable day yesterday and if Moss could've held onto that catchable pass, we may have had an OT or win. Frankly, yesterday's game was the highlight of the year for me. We slugged it out with the NFL's current elite.

[wysknz1]

I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread started advocating trying to pry Webb out of the grasp of the Vikes now that he had a decent game yesterday.

[JerseyGator]

I love how it's only Rex that plays against defenses when they're bad. Coming into yesterday, the weren't bad at points allowed, which is the only stat that really matters.

Watching the Giants and Cowboys defenses made me laugh out loud yesterday. Giants were missing multiple parts against Romo and had horrible coverage against their receivers. Manning should have had at least 2 picks, only had one. Cowboys were also horrible in coverage with one corner, Jenkins, playing with essentially one arm.

The media brainwashing on this board is quite thick.

[skinzwiz]

After seeing Banks sling the ball off balance like he did to Moss, maybe they should give him a wildcat package with the occasional trick play deep. Might as well try it, the season is lost now.

[morpheusmeyers]

To be fair, Rex was one freak bobble by Moss away from having a TO-less game. And before that, he was one one PI on Moss away from a TO-less first four quarters, possibly heading into overtime.

And also to be fair, Rex did throw a bad pick that was called back because of roughing the passer.

And don't forget about the sack/fumble/TD.