Rick Snider: Rex not end of world in 2012

[Houston2Taylor2Landry]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2011/12/rick-snider-rex-not-end-world-2012/1997391

This is a very interesting article written by Rick Snider.

To sum up what he says, it may be better to draft someone like Mo Claiborne or Justin Blackmon, rather than drafting a QB that may not be worth the pick.

I'm not sure if I really agree with him, but I don't strongly DISAGREE. I think it is a fair point.

Discuss.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

When he said Rex hasn't been terrible i stopped reading. He has been terrible, having one decent game doesn't excuse him for sucking the rest of the season. Pretty sure he leads the league in TO's and he didn't even play in 3 games. Like i said before we can not start next season with him as our starting QB!

[benskins26]

Normally I would agree with the BPA draft mentality, rather than trying to force it with an unknown commodity. But not this year. We must go all in at qb, even if it means giving up draft picks to move up.another year of Rex, and there might be a mass exodus of fans.

[SkinsHokieFan]

What a terrible article. If there is no QB drafted, in particular if we have pick 3 or 4, Shanny will be gone after year 4

[JustAfan47]

I want a new qb. Also I think Rex has earned another yr with us. Have him start while the young qb gets ready for the pro's.

[SWFLSkins]

Normally I would agree with the BPA draft mentality, rather than trying to force it with an unknown commodity. But not this year. We must go all in at qb, even if it means giving up draft picks to move up.another year of Rex, and there might be a mass exodus of fans.

When you start drafting to appease fans you are really in trouble. How about getting the player you feel gives you the best chance to win. If the QB is available by whatever means reasonable then get him, if not don't pull a Ditka and screw the team for years to come.

[Dan T.]

Logan Thomas in 2013!

[Califan007]

When he said Rex hasn't been terrible i stopped reading. He has been terrible, having one decent game doesn't excuse him for sucking the rest of the season. Pretty sure he leads the league in TO's and he didn't even play in 3 games. Like i said before we can not start next season with him as our starting QB!

"One decent game"?...Grossman has had a QB rating of 92 or better in three of the last four games. And his game against the Patriots was a good one, even with the sack/fumble. (the INT at the end of the game was hardly a result of anything bad that Rex did).

I don't think his play overall this season proves anything more than we already knew before the season started--when Grossman is "good Rex" he can and will put points on the board, but when he's "bad Rex" he'll blow winnable games. But claiming he only had one decent game this season is asinine.

[Burgold]

Rex is a heartbreaker. He plays well enough to give you hope and then plunges a dagger in your back. Sometimes, it's not even Rex that does it, but his accomplices like last week when first his dastardly friend the ref called a bs offensive PI because a receiver being jammed isn't allowed to disengage and then his evil cohort Santana Moss decided to pitch the ball back to the defender (which the dastardly ref fiend decided to ignore a bobble and call a catch [okay, I wouldn't have overturned it either, but still])

Regardless, Rex finds a way to break your spirit every game. From the... let's wait twelve seconds in the endzone double clutch the ball hold it out loose and wait for the hit, to the guarenteed interception he will have every game. Help me, I still root for him, but it's an abusive relationship.

[Califan007]

I want a new qb. Also I think Rex has earned another yr with us. Have him start while the young qb gets ready for the pro's.

I agree, although I would have it an open competition. If we draft a QB high, give the rookie every possible chance to be named the starter. Rex hasn't earned the right to start next year, but having him on the roster would definitely be a benefit.

[SkinsHokieFan]

When you start drafting to appease fans you are really in trouble. How about getting the player you feel gives you the best chance to win. If the QB is available by whatever means reasonable then get him, if not don't pull a Ditka and screw the team for years to come.

Not getting a QB this year screws the team for years to come.

The Redskins aren't a playoff team in 2012 with Rex or <insert rookie> QB here. However, a rookie QB buys the entire organization time.

No rookie QB, suddenly this team has to make the playoffs in 2012. No playoffs, Shanny is on the hot seat and is FORCED to draft a QB in 2013.

You think we are making the playoffs with a rookie QB? :ols:

Shanny is gone after 2014 and we are hitting the re-set

[Skinsinparadise]

If we need a stop gap for another rebuilding season while we groom a young QB, maybe. Rex is such an up and down QB -- I've stated on this board early in the season after the first 2 games when he played well to average, that he's an average QB. Then he played 3 poor games in a row, and I thought he was terrible. He played bad against the jets, good against NE's horrible defense. And the media bounces around like a yo yo on him, gushing when good Rex appears, trashing him and more so Shanny when he plays poorly. I haven't seen Rex's season stats post this game, but overall before this game it was towards the bottom of league If at best we want to strive to be an inconsistent 8-8 team, who can beat anyone and can lose to anyone, by putting more good pieces around Rex -- he might be the way to go. but in my opinion, if we want to be a serious contender we definitely need to do better than Rex. For all of his hot spurts at times even in those games we get those killer turnovers from him, tough to win with a QB who averages 2 turnovers a game.

[Houston2Taylor2Landry]

When he said Rex hasn't been terrible i stopped reading. He has been terrible, having one decent game doesn't excuse him for sucking the rest of the season. Pretty sure he leads the league in TO's and he didn't even play in 3 games. Like i said before we can not start next season with him as our starting QB!

Rex hasn't only had 1 good game. Giants, Zona, Dallas, and NE were all good games.

But I've been thinking about this since last week, look how well TJ Yates plays in this offense. He's no Shaub, but he is certainly no Beck. It seems to me, that in this offense, as a QB, if you don't turn the ball over (Yates vs ATL, CIN. Grossman vs NY, DAL, and NE) you can be extremely successful in the offense.

So, I would be happy if we drafted a QB (Unless it was Landry Jones) but I would be just as happy if we got somebody like Flynn or even Trade for Ryan Mallet (Not gonna happen, but it would be cool).

[skins2323]

In the article it says "Cleveland is reportedly willing to trade both 1st rounders it has this year for a shot a RG3"...Does anyone know if this is true? If this is the case, then we might need to move up to #2 to ensure we get him, and then you might as well look at the what it would take to move up to #1 to get Luch since your already moving up to 2. I hope its BS and we can sit right around 4 and let RG3 fall right into our laps

[benskins26]

When you start drafting to appease fans you are really in trouble. How about getting the player you feel gives you the best chance to win. If the QB is available by whatever means reasonable then get him, if not don't pull a Ditka and screw the team for years to come.

I wasn't suggesting they appease the fans, merely pointing out the fact that the fans would lose hope if there is no plan in place heading into 2012. And Snyder would notice. Thus, Shanny on the very hot seat. Its a bad cycle.

That being said, this team does still have a lot of holes.

[DCranon21]

Justin Blackmon won't be there or Claiborne. Why do we need to draft BPA? We need a QB now. I disagree with this article. This is our best chance to snatch a QB this year. Rex is not the answer or the solution.

[benskins26]

In the article it says "Cleveland is reportedly willing to trade both 1st rounders it has this year for a shot a RG3"...Does anyone know if this is true? If this is the case, then we might need to move up to #2 to ensure we get him, and then you might as well look at the what it would take to move up to #1 to get Luch since your already moving up to 2. I hope its BS and we can sit right around 4 and let RG3 fall right into our laps

Luck is unattainable. The colts had a plan at the start of the season, they have executed it, and no one in the media seems to be calling them out for it.

[Califan007]

Not getting a QB this year screws the team for years to come.

The Redskins aren't a playoff team in 2012 with Rex or <insert rookie> QB here. However, a rookie QB buys the entire organization time.

No rookie QB, suddenly this team has to make the playoffs in 2012. No playoffs, Shanny is on the hot seat and is FORCED to draft a QB in 2013.

You think we are making the playoffs with a rookie QB? :ols:

Shanny is gone after 2014 and we are hitting the re-set

In all honesty that's a terrible reason for drafting a QB as well lol...

[RFKFedEx]

Rex needs to be here next year as a backup. He's perfect for the job as a #2 man. But there's no way in hell we can go into year three without a plan for a new starting QB. I don't care if our new dude is a third rounder, we need a long term plan.

Rex cannot be plan A again, no matter what. Period.

[Califan007]

It seems to me, that in this offense, as a QB, if you don't turn the ball over (Yates vs ATL, CIN. Grossman vs NY, DAL, and NE) you can be extremely successful in the offense.

So you're saying we should have stayed with Jason Campbell? lol ;)...

[SWFLSkins]

Not getting a QB this year screws the team for years to come.

The Redskins aren't a playoff team in 2012 with Rex or <insert rookie> QB here. However, a rookie QB buys the entire organization time.

No rookie QB, suddenly this team has to make the playoffs in 2012. No playoffs, Shanny is on the hot seat and is FORCED to draft a QB in 2013.

You think we are making the playoffs with a rookie QB? :ols:

Shanny is gone after 2014 and we are hitting the re-set

Don't disagree, I just said don't overpay to move up and get one, or don't get one to just get one if you don't like that guy.

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I wasn't suggesting they appease the fans, merely pointing out the fact that the fans would lose hope if there is no plan in place heading into 2012. And Snyder would notice. Thus, Shanny on the very hot seat. Its a bad cycle.

That being said, this team does still have a lot of holes.

You also don't know which QB Shanny favors, kinda of scary huh? I mean based on recent history.

[jflow78]

I'm all for keeping Rex around. He's shown he can win some games, and we all knew he could lose some games. He's a better option at backup than a lot of teams have.

HOWEVER, if we don't draft one of the top 3 rookie QBs this draft, since we're going to be in good position (likely top 10, even if we win the next 3 games) and there ARE 3 guys at the top of the draft who could be really great, we should do what we need to to get one of them this year, instead of waiting another season for another QB.

We've begun building a young team, several of our backup tackles and guards are pretty good (Hurt, Polumbus, Smith), we have 3 young RBs who can play (Hightower, Helu, Royster), a couple of good young TEs (Davis and Paulsen) and some promise at WR (Hankerson and maybe Paul). Now is the time to plant that rookie QB.

I've been against moving up to draft a QB for the past few years, this year I think we should make the move.

[Hooper]

I hope Rex comes back as a number 2/bridge guy.

But Snider lost me when he mentioned Landry Jones.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Disagree, Rex is not that bad when he has time and a running game. But yeah we need a plan A but don't rush it/.

Exactly. You won't always have "time and a running game"

Having that week in week out is a relic of the 80s.

You know what you get? At best Alex Smith 2011. Thats at best, and Rex isn't nearly as athletic as Smith is.

With Rex, this is probably an 8-8 team in 2012, and we are further doomed for mediocrity

[SWFLSkins]

Rex needs to be here next year as a backup. He's perfect for the job as a #2 man. But there's no way in hell we can go into year three without a plan for a new starting QB. I don't care if our new dude is a third rounder, we need a long term plan.

Rex cannot be plan A again, no matter what. Period.

Disagree, Rex is not that bad when he has time and a running game. But yeah we need a plan A but don't rush it/.

[DCranon21]

I hope Rex comes back as a number 2/bridge guy.

But Snider lost me when he mentioned Landry Jones.


I don't know why he mentioned him. I don't think Landry Jones won't leave OU this year. His stock has dropped dramatically.

[Hooper]

Mike Wise basically wrote the same article for the post today. Seems the local media is tired of bashing Rex and has earned some respect for him.

[scruffylookin]

I can't imagine anyone would be against Rex being back next year as a bridge QB or a backup. At the very least he has shown that he can be a good spot starter for this team in this offense.

We should draft a QB at 1, Rex is the bridge/backup and then draft another QB later in the draft as the development guy. Those should be our 3 QBs next season.

[Houston2Taylor2Landry]

So you're saying we should have stayed with Jason Campbell? lol ;)...

I think Jason Campbell is better than Rex. I think JC is probably....The 15th or 16th best QB in the league. I wasn't against us trading him because, like most, I was pumped to see DM5. But, I wouldn't be against JC coming back. As crazy as that might sound.

[Houston2Taylor2Landry]

I can't imagine anyone would be against Rex being back next year as a bridge QB or a backup. At the very least he has shown that he can be a good spot starter for this team in this offense.

We should draft a QB at 1, Rex is the bridge/backup and then draft another QB later in the draft as the development guy. Those should be our 3 QBs next season.

So....RG3/Barkley...Rex....Weeden....

[SkinsHokieFan]

Mike Wise basically wrote the same article for the post today. Seems the local media is tired of bashing Rex and has earned some respect for him.

I think its also the fact the local media senses we may actually get a QB and the fan base is clamoring for it.

If we are "satisfied" and not raging from April to August, how will they rile us up?

[KDawg]

I can't imagine anyone would be against Rex being back next year as a bridge QB or a backup. At the very least he has shown that he can be a good spot starter for this team in this offense.

We should draft a QB at 1, Rex is the bridge/backup and then draft another QB later in the draft as the development guy. Those should be our 3 QBs next season.

Start imagining. I don't want Rex anywhere near this team. In fact, our QB position is the only position on the team I have a total loathing for. I can point out bright spots every where else.

[smackdown 46]

Do you think RG III is big enough to take the physical pounding from 300 lb lineman!
No use having him if he stays on a bench injured.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

"One decent game"?...Grossman has had a QB rating of 92 or better in three of the last four games. And his game against the Patriots was a good one, even with the sack/fumble. (the INT at the end of the game was hardly a result of anything bad that Rex did).

I don't think his play overall this season proves anything more than we already knew before the season started--when Grossman is "good Rex" he can and will put points on the board, but when he's "bad Rex" he'll blow winnable games. But claiming he only had one decent game this season is asinine.

Califan, you and I are in agreement.

Rex has his limits but he also has heart. Heart alone can be a driven asset especially when the player is not athletically superior. It's what the team took notice of before the season began and what has allowed them to be competitive each Sunday (with the exception of the games Beck started). You don't let something like that just walk.

Grossman has intangibles that make him a very good quarterback when he is not drunk the night before ;) In other words, he has the "it" factor but he also needs a good supporting cast.

[Park City Skins]

Do you think RG III is big enough to take the physical pounding from 300 lb lineman!
No use having him if he stays on a bench injured.

Well let's see here. Ol' Rex,who has clearly taken his share of hits and has still played,is "listed" at 6-1 and 225,(er...the weight distribution on Rex is probably just a little suspect ;) ). RG3 is" listed" at 6-2 220, and looks to be just a tad more in shape than Rex so I'm thinking that yeah,he can take the pounding.

[SWFLSkins]

Exactly. You won't always have "time and a running game"

Having that week in week out is a relic of the 80s.

You know what you get? At best Alex Smith 2011. Thats at best, and Rex isn't nearly as athletic as Smith is.

With Rex, this is probably an 8-8 team in 2012, and we are further doomed for mediocrity

It is funny this 80's thing keeps coming up, like being a complete team is a relic from that time era. And what about the Packers? Just another pretty faced QB with a great arm or the complete package, you know like those dominant teams of the 80's?

[benskins26]

Do you think RG III is big enough to take the physical pounding from 300 lb lineman!
No use having him if he stays on a bench injured.

This is a very tired argument. By no means is our oline done being built, but we can't draft OL every year. There are other needs on the team.

[SkinsHokieFan]

It is funny this 80's thing keeps coming up, like being a complete team is a relic from that time era. And what about the Packers? Just another pretty faced QB with a great arm or the complete package, you know like those dominant teams of the 80's?

The Packers don't have nearly the D we had in 1991. That D was ranked 2nd in the NFL and had 3 shutouts

Their o-line isn't nearly as good either. Look how many times Rodgers gets sacked.

However, Rodgers is just that damn special where he imposes his will on a D

[SkinsHokieFan]

Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second?

No, you take RG3. You need to take a special talent like him.

[daveakl]

Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second?

No, you take RG3. You need to take a special talent like him.

[thecardiacrll]

Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second? If that happened and they did not take RG3 Shanahan and Allen would have a serious problem because me and thousands of extremeskiners would be driving to Redskins park immediately to riot hahaha.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

In 14 games for the Redskins, Rex has 20 interceptions and 11 fumbles. He has turned the ball over in every game in which he has appeared. He's been as awful at protecting the ball as any QB in NFL history. (Still...better than Beck!)

If the Skins do not draft a QB this year, Shanahan will deservedly be fired at the end of next season and the team will have no chance of being good until 2016 at the latest.

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Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second?

No, you take the QB.

[derskinsfan]

It doesn't take a crystal ball to know what another year of Rex will look like: It will look like this year. And that could very well get Shanny fired.

Never want to force a pick. But you want to grab an opportunity to make a move for a player you believe in.

Young exciting QB is what this team desperately needs. He gives you a reason to have hope. Look at the difference between Carolina and us right now. Same record, but Carolina fans are probably feeling like they're on their way. Meanwhile, we've been counting down to the draft since before Thanksgiving.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

It is funny this 80's thing keeps coming up, like being a complete team is a relic from that time era. And what about the Packers? Just another pretty faced QB with a great arm or the complete package, you know like those dominant teams of the 80's?

The Packers without Rodgers and those receivers are kind of awful.

Their defense is absolutely horrible, and they have absolutely no running game. They are as one-dimensional as you can be. It's just that the one dimension is dominant that they may go 19-0.

[thecardiacrll]

It doesn't take a crystal ball to know what another year of Rex will look like: It will look like this year. And that could very well get Shanny fired.

Never want to force a pick. But you want to grab an opportunity to make a move for a player you believe in.

Young exciting QB is what this team desperately needs. He gives you a reason to have hope. Look at the difference between Carolina and us right now. Same record, but Carolina fans are probably feeling like they're on their way. Meanwhile, we've been counting down to the draft since before Thanksgiving. That was a great analogy of using Carolina. I couldnt have said it better. We have the exact same record but people and fans are excited about the Panthers because they know there future is bright because they are set at the QB position.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I think its also the fact the local media senses we may actually get a QB and the fan base is clamoring for it.

If we are "satisfied" and not raging from April to August, how will they rile us up?

The sports media has cycles more predictable than spring following winter.

Six weeks ago, I could predict two stories.

1. A rash of stories saying that it's not 100 percent certain that Andrew Luck is the best QB in the draft. Those are already starting. And it's stupid. It's the same thing that happened with Manning and Leaf when everyone knew that Manning was put on this earth to be an NFL QB while Leaf was a one-year wonder who was also a raging *******.

2. There will be a bunch of stories in the local media about how Rex Grossman is good enough to be the Skins' QB next year. Even though he has been absolutely dreadful. Seriously, can you name another QB in football who (a) throws an interception every single game and (b) is 50/50 to fumble every time he gets sacked?

[GibbsFactor]

We were a laughing stock because we went into the year with Rex and Beck. Those that laughed have been proven right.

We are -16 in turnover ratio and some of you want to keep this guy? I'd keep him as a backup. Maybe start the season until the rook is ready and wait for Rex's first 4 turnover game (might come too fast) but I absolutely feel that this team needs a blue chip QB on the roster come April. Anything short will be a failure.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Disagree, Rex is not that bad when he has time and a running game. [/

Rex is pretty much awful in all circumstances. Seriously, do you not notice all the interceptions and fumbles?

[SkinsHokieFan]

The sports media has cycles more predictable than spring following winter.

Six weeks ago, I could predict two stories.

1. A rash of stories saying that it's not 100 percent certain that Andrew Luck is the best QB in the draft. Those are already starting. And it's stupid. It's the same thing that happened with Manning and Leaf when everyone knew that Manning was put on this earth to be an NFL QB while Leaf was a one-year wonder who was also a raging *******.

2. There will be a bunch of stories in the local media about how Rex Grossman is good enough to be the Skins' QB next year. Even though he has been absolutely dreadful. Seriously, can you name another QB in football who (a) throws an interception every single game and (b) is 50/50 to fumble every time he gets sacked?

:ols:

I am hoping number 1 pops up and creeps into Irsay's brain while he tweets daily. We may end up getting a miracle.

I can't believe that even if we go 4-12 we'll end up picking only as high as 4. Drives me nuts. That Seattle win may end up looking even worse

[GibbsFactor]

Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second?

Honestly, how is that even a question? Until this team has a quarterback, it doesn't matter how many 1st round talents we have.

Remember when our secondary was straight first rounders. Yeah, that ended well.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I can't believe that even if we go 4-12 we'll end up picking only as high as 4. Drives me nuts. That Seattle win may end up looking even worse

I hate to break it to you, but this team is winning again this year. They are still playing hard. Hell, they should have won on Sunday.

[daveakl]

Honestly, how is that even a question? Until this team has a quarterback, it doesn't matter how many 1st round talents we have.

Remember when our secondary was straight first rounders. Yeah, that ended well.

I think you missed the part about drafting a qb also.

[GibbsFactor]

I think you missed the part about drafting a qb also.

I'm 100% sold on the top two. I suppose if we could still land Barkley and end up with the other first it could be entertained but we haven't had a franchise QB since Sonny, maybe Joe. Either way 30 years is too long. We need a man behind center. We are more than due.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I hate to break it to you, but this team is winning again this year. They are still playing hard. Hell, they should have won on Sunday.

I am hoping it is "playing to the level of the opponent"

I am also hoping bad Rex shows up for 3 games.

5-11 would be a total disaster. I may just quit this place I would be so frustrated

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I can't believe that even if we go 4-12 we'll end up picking only as high as 4. Drives me nuts. That Seattle win may end up looking even worse

One could argue it will set us back 5 years.

[SkinsHokieFan]

One could argue it will set us back 5 years.

:)

Say we end up at 5 and miss out on the top QBs and settle for Blackmon, I think the clock is ticking on Shanny's time in DC

[KDawg]

One could argue it will set us back 5 years.

I'd go with 6, just to one up the original. :ols:

[SkinsHokieFan]

One could argue it will set us back 5 years.

:)

Say we end up at 5 and miss out on the top QBs and settle for Blackmon, I think the clock is ticking on Shanny's time in DC

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I'd go with 6, just to one up the original. :ols:

The Seattle win in conjunction with passing on a QB in the top-5 would remove this franchise from the history books.

[GibbsFactor]

One could argue it will set us back 5 years.

Seriously, we were so close to getting Luck or RGIII, now we might be too far out for either of them without mortgaging a ton in futures.

The point was, we suck this year, let's suck enough to not suck in the future. I saw it as a win win.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

:)

Say we end up at 5 and miss out on the top QBs and settle for Blackmon, I think the clock is ticking on Shanny's time in DC

I don't disagree with you that we need a QB in the draft...I just also know that you never know what's right around the corner so there's no way to just say that X will set us back Y years. Shouldn't the Vick/Petrino debacle set Atlanta back 5+ years?

[bowhunter]

I'm wondering if we can pry Bradford away from the Rams and let them use their 2nd overall pick on their choice of QB. It would give us the QB we need and help us hold on to some draft picks

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

:)

Say we end up at 5 and miss out on the top QBs and settle for Blackmon, I think the clock is ticking on Shanny's time in DC

If we don't obviously have a QB in place by the end of next season, I would fire Shanahan.

I'm serious.

If we draft RGIII, it better look like his game translates to the NFL. Because if it doesn't, it would be time to start over with - I dunno - some dude who went to high school with Mike Tomlin or something.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Seriously, we were so close to getting Luck or RGIII, now we might be too far out for either of them without mortgaging a ton in futures.

The point was, we suck this year, let's suck enough to not suck in the future. I saw it as a win win.

I know. Tongue in cheek, I promise. I agree with the sentiment, just have always thought the "screwed for 5 years" line was a little dramatic. If we draft Blackmon and some 4th round QB who turns into a top QB, doesn't that statement seem ridiculous in hindsight? I want us to draft a QB in April (as high as possible), I'm simply saying that we have no way of forecasting how things will go.

[GibbsFactor]

I'm wondering if we can pry Bradford away from the Rams and let them use their 2nd overall pick on their choice of QB. It would give us the QB we need and help us hold on to some draft picks

Nope. Don't want that either. He is a bust for #1. Sorry to say it. Two years is enough time and he hasn't shown anything.

[rocskins]

If this is true than everything that Vinny Cerato said last night was also true. I live in the New York Area and Cerato was on ESPN 1050 last night as an inside NFL Analyst. He believes that whoever doesn't make the playoffs between the Giants and Cowboys will be looking for a new head coach. Then he snuck in " and also who finishes last in the division" insinuating that Shannahan will be fired.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

"One decent game"?...Grossman has had a QB rating of 92 or better in three of the last four games. And his game against the Patriots was a good one, even with the sack/fumble. (the INT at the end of the game was hardly a result of anything bad that Rex did).

I don't think his play overall this season proves anything more than we already knew before the season started--when Grossman is "good Rex" he can and will put points on the board, but when he's "bad Rex" he'll blow winnable games. But claiming he only had one decent game this season is asinine.

Right, b/c a guy with a comp% 58%, and 21 TO's in 10 games is something that we should consider good.

And if you wanna say he had good games against the Giants, Dallas, Zona and Pats....well they are ranked 29th, 24th, 23rd and 32nd. Good job Rex you can throw the ball against teams that have terrible pass D's.

And the worst part is we dont have a better option right now.

---------- Post added December-13th-2011 at 10:07 AM ----------


If this is true than everything that Vinny Cerato said last night was also true. I live in the New York Area and Cerato was on ESPN 1050 last night as an inside NFL Analyst. He believes that whoever doesn't make the playoffs between the Giants and Cowboys will be looking for a new head coach. Then he snuck in " and also who finishes last in the division" insinuating that Shannahan will be fired.

He might mean the Eagles. They aren't too far behind us.

[War Paint]

No way. We must take a QB with our first pick. I don't mind Rex being on the team and playing until our QB is groomed. I don't mind Rex being our backup. Rex is way too inconsistent to be our full time starter.

[Califan007]

The Seattle win in conjunction with passing on a QB in the top-5 would remove this franchise from the history books.

:rotflmao: :applause:

I think me using those emoticons may have set the Skins back about 3 1/'2 minutes :paranoid:...

[rocskins]

He might mean the Eagles. They aren't too far behind us.[/QUOTE]

True but the way he tried to sneak it in there I just had the feeling he meant Washington. Whatever who cares about this tool anyway.

[illone]

You could do this and then draft Russ Wilson in the 2nd I suppose.

[daveakl]

Nope. Don't want that either. He is a bust for #1. Sorry to say it. Two years is enough time and he hasn't shown anything.

Are you serious? http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/40841653/ns/sports-nfl/

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Are you serious? http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/40841653/ns/sports-nfl/

:ols: Those are just facts!

I'm intrigued by the secondary market depending how the draft and coaching changes shake out. Young QBs who have already gone through some of the growing pains, like Bradford and Cassel, might be available at a discount if their teams go in different directions with new coaches. I'd SERIOUSLY consider giving up our first if the Rams snipe one of the top QBs in the draft.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

No way. We must take a QB with our first pick. I don't mind Rex being on the team and playing until our QB is groomed. I don't mind Rex being our backup. Rex is way too inconsistent to be our full time starter.

Rex is really not all that inconsistent. He is going to throw one interception per game and is going to fumble pretty much every other time he is sacked. That's his baseline.

He has occasional "bad" games where he throws three picks.

[GibbsFactor]

Are you serious? http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/40841653/ns/sports-nfl/

Dead serious. He's sophomore slumping very badly this year.

And I'm ranking him as a #1 overall pick. If he were taken in the late first early second, he'd have more value.

[daveakl]

Dead serious. He's sophomore slumping very badly this year.

And I'm ranking him as a #1 overall pick. If he were taken in the late first early second, he'd have more value.

You do know that over 1/4th of their active roster from opening day is hurt right? Saying Bradford is the problem is comical.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/assessing-bradford-s-play-is-tough-to-do/article_13c17f0d-1087-5a2b-bed6-32a23ea8ed8d.html

Check that out if you want some more insight into the problems in St. Louis.

[The Slamming Butcher]

I'd take Bradford in a skinny minute over ANY QB in this draft class. In this system, with Kyle's leadership, we would be an IMMEDIATE contender.:2cents:

[War Paint]

Rex is really not all that inconsistent. He is going to throw one interception per game and is going to fumble pretty much every other time he is sacked. That's his baseline.

He has occasional "bad" games where he throws three picks.

Yeah, I guess he's consistently inconsistent haha.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I'd take Bradford in a skinny minute over ANY QB in this draft class. In this system, with Kyle's leadership, we would be an IMMEDIATE contender.:2cents:

Bradford would be the 3rd QB in this draft, sorry. He's just a cut behind both RGIII and Luck.

[The Slamming Butcher]

Bradford would be the 3rd QB in this draft, sorry. He's just a cut behind both RGIII and Luck.

That is speculation. Bradford is a known commodity. I go with proof over potential.

[LiveStrongSkins]

I cant believe how decent play out of Rex in meaningless games convinces people we can go forward with him. When the bullets were flying earlier in the season to fight for contention, he was miserable. A two minute drill is alot easier when youre 4 and 9 with no real pressure to win. His arm strength limits the offense, he is a turnover waiting to happen. His intermediate to deep accuracy is terrible. A good pass rush completely negates any effectiveness he is capable of. Rarely does he ever throw a guy open. Keeping him here just cements our last place standing in the NFC east. What good does drafting Blackmon do if Rex doesnt have the arm strength to utilize Blackmons ability to get down the field?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

That is speculation. Bradford is a known commodity. I go with proof over potential.

Luck is a known quantity too.

I think it would be

1. Luck
2. Bradford
3. RGIII
----------- gap -----
4. Barkley
-----------gap-----
5. Jones

Second round
6. Tannehill
------gap--------
7. Cousins

[daveakl]

Bradford would be the 3rd QB in this draft, sorry. He's just a cut behind both RGIII and Luck.

lmao.

Sam Bradford. 2008: 4721 yards. 50 TD's 8 INT

Luck and Bradford would have been argued every second leading up to the draft. Esp since Bradford missed the entire year before he was drafted. RGIII would have been #3.

[The Slamming Butcher]

Luck is a known quantity too.

I think it would be

1. Luck
2. Bradford
3. RGIII
----------- gap -----
4. Barkley
-----------gap-----
5. Jones

Second round
6. Tannehill
------gap--------
7. Cousins

While I believe Luck will certainly be a productive NFL QB, and perhaps a stud, he has never taken an NFL snap, therefore he is not a known commodity. Safe bet? perhaps...sure thing? Definitely not. RGIII is even more of a risk IMO due to his size.

Again, this is all my :2cents:

[2cents]

I'll throw in the Missouri point of view. Bradford has had just about everything go against him this year. Multiple O-lineman hurt, no WR to speak of on his team he is playing on a horrible high ankle sprain and had to learn a new O with out any OTAs and a short training camp. In the Army that's what we called being set up for failure. It is really hard to say HE is struggling with all that going on, you have to take that all into account. I really think he wants to be great and will do all the work required. If the Rams want our first for him, I would do it. Him in our system with a top flight WR we could take in the draft along with what we already have in place I think would be a winning combo...just my 2 cents....

[GibbsFactor]

Luck is grading out higher than Bradford. Lets' look at it this way. Let's say Newton, Bradford and Stafford were to all come out this year, they'd be ranked like this:

1. Luck
2. Bradford
3. Stafford
4. Newton
5. RGIII
6. Barkley
7. Sanchez

That's just the scouting grades on each from college, leaving what they've done in the pros out.

[Pick6]

I think if Luck, RG3, and Barkley are gone with the Redskins pick then you have to consider taking a QB in the 2nd and not wasting the 1st on a QB just because.

I would like to see Grossman here as a backup. Sorry for Beck, but I don't think he should be in the NFL. I think even with a smart rookie QB the Skins could contend for a wildcard spot next year. Of course, I am projecting they make improvements with the offense and secondary.

[Rypien1191]

Normally I would agree with the BPA draft mentality, rather than trying to force it with an unknown commodity. But not this year. We must go all in at qb, even if it means giving up draft picks to move up.another year of Rex, and there might be a mass exodus of fans.

Yup. We've waited for our franchise QB for 20 years. It's time. We'll have a top 5 pick and there are 2 potential franchise QBs coming out. We MUST get one of them.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

What a terrible article. If there is no QB drafted, in particular if we have pick 3 or 4, Shanny will be gone after year 4

shanny would be gone after next year. that would be a 3 year rebuild without addressing the most important position.

its like hiring a guy to build a car and he spends 3 years not putting an engine in it.

[Win4us]

Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second?

In a heartbeat. The different directions you can go in with trade downs could set the team up quite nicely. Even grabbing a quality QB, RT and a CB all in the first 2 rounds sounds pretty darn good.

A 2011 style tradedown would set the team up with weapons for the QB and an o-line, and round out the lb's. Possibilities in any direction imho.

[Boss_Hogg]

My goodness, this whole board is going to explode like a frog on a hot plate if they don't draft a QB.

[daveakl]

In a heartbeat. The different directions you can go in with trade downs could set the team up quite nicely. Even grabbing a quality QB, RT and a CB all in the first 2 rounds sounds pretty darn good.

A 2011 style tradedown would set the team up with weapons for the QB and an o-line, and round out the lb's. Possibilities in any direction imho.

;) Something like that would make me giddy!!

OR

What if they signed Flynn, traded down with the Browns and got a RT, WR, C.

[kevinklein]

It might not be the end of the world...but it'd be pretty damn close.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

We need an elite QB.

I won't pretend to know whether RGIII is one because I haven't seen much of him, but another year of Rex won't cut it.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

A 2011 style tradedown would set the team up with weapons for the QB and an o-line, and round out the lb's. Possibilities in any direction imho.

Eh. You know what trading down gets you?

The 2011 Patriots defense.

At some point, you need to **** or get off the pot. If you have a top five pick, you need to get a top five player. Or else you turn that into three first rounders who do little more than play special teams.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Eh. You know what trading down gets you?

The 2011 Patriots defense.

At some point, you need to **** or get off the pot. If you have a top five pick, you need to get a top five player. Or else you turn that into three first rounders who do little more than play special teams.

Hey...special teams is one-third of the game! :ols:

[gamecokskins703]

Rex is a heartbreaker. He plays well enough to give you hope and then plunges a dagger in your back. Sometimes, it's not even Rex that does it, but his accomplices like last week when first his dastardly friend the ref called a bs offensive PI because a receiver being jammed isn't allowed to disengage and then his evil cohort Santana Moss decided to pitch the ball back to the defender (which the dastardly ref fiend decided to ignore a bobble and call a catch [okay, I wouldn't have overturned it either, but still])

Regardless, Rex finds a way to break your spirit every game. From the... let's wait twelve seconds in the endzone double clutch the ball hold it out loose and wait for the hit, to the guarenteed interception he will have every game. Help me, I still root for him, but it's an abusive relationship.

sounds like the redskins franchise in general.

[GaryGreenMonk]

In a heartbeat. The different directions you can go in with trade downs could set the team up quite nicely. Even grabbing a quality QB, RT and a CB all in the first 2 rounds sounds pretty darn good.

A 2011 style tradedown would set the team up with weapons for the QB and an o-line, and round out the lb's. Possibilities in any direction imho.

eh.. if RGIII is there, you have to take him.

I've watched them all extensively, RGIII and Luck are top 5 picks.

I'm so-so at best on Barkley and do not like Landry Jones. I don't think either of those guys will amount to much in the NFL.

I think Ryan Tannehill or Nick Foles are probably a better option if you miss out on RGIII and Luck and they can both be had in the 2nd.

Both of them though will require bench time, they aren't QB's that can just jump in there and blow it up for you.

It will be disappointing if we miss Luck and RGIII. I think our only option at that point will be to trade back and stockpile more picks again.. take a stab at a 2nd rounder and if he doesnt' work out, hope we get another shot at a Franchise guy the following year.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I was excited for the full Sex Cannon experience, but I think I've had enough now, thanks. The three or four really great plays he makes every game do not make up for the fact that you can tell by the way the defense is lined up when a sack-fumble is coming. The second I see a d-back or LB move to the outside shoulder of the weak side defensive end (if the weak side happens to be Rex's blind side)....I know what is coming.

I also would like to experience one game a year without an interception. Apparently, other teams can do that on occasions.

[Win4us]

Eh. You know what trading down gets you?

The 2011 Patriots defense.

At some point, you need to **** or get off the pot. If you have a top five pick, you need to get a top five player. Or else you turn that into three first rounders who do little more than play special teams.

Well if the best Shanallen can do with 3 picks in the top two rounds is special teamers then maybe they shouldn't be in their current positions.

I suppose i just view it differently with having a top 5 pick with a potential trade partner owning multiple firsts. I'd rather a team of several players with top tier talent than one or two bonafide studs.

[Win4us]

my bad..double post

---------- Post added December-13th-2011 at 02:44 PM ----------


eh.. if RGIII is there, you have to take him.

I've watched them all extensively, RGIII and Luck are top 5 picks.

I'm so-so at best on Barkley and do not like Landry Jones. I don't think either of those guys will amount to much in the NFL.

I think Ryan Tannehill or Nick Foles are probably a better option if you miss out on RGIII and Luck and they can both be had in the 2nd.

Both of them though will require bench time, they aren't QB's that can just jump in there and blow it up for you.

It will be disappointing if we miss Luck and RGIII. I think our only option at that point will be to trade back and stockpile more picks again.. take a stab at a 2nd rounder and if he doesnt' work out, hope we get another shot at a Franchise guy the following year.

I hear ya, and can see Shannahan actually trading up to grab any of the top 3 if he REALLY covets one over the other. The Vinny years have jaded me into aquiring as many picks as possible.

Can't say i know too much about Tannehill or Fowles other than what yourself and others mention in the draft threads. Do these guys fit what Kyle/Mike want in a qb? I know the fanbase is sick to death of waiting for our qb to save us but i for one can wait another year or so for a good prospect to "learn" on the bench.

[deejaydana]

It's completely within this team's character to screw the pooch and not be any better next year. We'll stick with Rex to start next year no matter what QB we take this next April. My gut is we don't get Barkley or RG3, take a lesser talent in the 2nd round and continue to flounder. I've come to expect the mediocre from this franchise.

[SKIN4WAHOOZ]

Logan Thomas in 2013!

If that happens, lets hope clemson doesnt send any of its defensive players to our NFC east foes.

[Califan007]

Eh. You know what trading down gets you?

The 2011 Patriots defense.
It also gets you the Redskins defense lol...

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

I think that if "our guy" is gone, we are going to make a play for Peyton. Just have a feeling...

I'm not saying that I am in favor of this. But, I can almost guarantee a quarterback "splash" this year, one way or the other. I don't think there's any chance that we have Rex as our starter next year. Snyder and Shanallen would never allow it.

I am all for moving up to get the guy we want. As stated in the article, our biggest problem will most likely be the other teams that are willing to move up as well. This usually leads to a bidding war...and we haven't done so well with those in the past. However, considering Shanallen's drafts HERE...I'm putting my faith in those guys. Get it done.

[daveakl]

Eh. You know what trading down gets you?

The 2011 Patriots defense.

At some point, you need to **** or get off the pot. If you have a top five pick, you need to get a top five player. Or else you turn that into three first rounders who do little more than play special teams.

Only if you draft as crappy as BB did this past season.

5 picks in the first three rounds and 1 was used on defense (and that was on a CB that was injury prone in college!)

1 on a backup QB and 2 on RB's.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Eh. You know what trading down gets you?

The 2011 Patriots defense.

At some point, you need to **** or get off the pot. If you have a top five pick, you need to get a top five player. Or else you turn that into three first rounders who do little more than play special teams.

Totally agree. Might me miss on our 1st pick...maybe...but maybe we get the QB we have all been wanting for so many years..only way i trade down is if Blackmon is there and no QB.

[GaryGreenMonk]

I hear ya, and can see Shannahan actually trading up to grab any of the top 3 if he REALLY covets one over the other. The Vinny years have jaded me into aquiring as many picks as possible.

Can't say i know too much about Tannehill or Fowles other than what yourself and others mention in the draft threads. Do these guys fit what Kyle/Mike want in a qb? I know the fanbase is sick to death of waiting for our qb to save us but i for one can wait another year or so for a good prospect to "learn" on the bench.

Personally I don't see a "top 3" on this board. The drop off between Luck/RGIII and Barkley is large IMO. I also don't like that Barkley was surrounded by the talent that he is, his play is probably elevated at the collegiate level because of that.

I see some potential in Tannehill. He's a converted WR though... (sort of like how Logan Thomas is a converted TE) Tannehill will graduate with only 20 starts at QB. He will not be ready for the NFL, he'll need a year of bench riding and learning, so it would mean another year of Grossman to endure.

Nicke Foles is an interesting prospect.. he's a guy like Andy Dalton that is lifting a overall crappyish team on his back and putting up big offensive numbers. Another reason to like Foles is he's 6' 5" and 240lbs. Which is the biggest of the Luck, RGIII, Barkley, Jones, Tannehill group.

[Peregrine]

Even stupid people can have columns...How many years does a guy have to prove hes terrible? We will never win with Rex, so why in the world would it make any sense not to draft a QB high and at least try to win.

At least try. I think Rick is afraid of trying(and writing good articles). Fear never won anything.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Elite QBs give teams the absolute best opportunity to be an elite team.

Andrew Luck and RGIII are/will be elite QBs

It's just about as simple as that. So yes, it is the end of the world if we don't get one of them, and the opportunity to get a QB as talented with as high a ceiling might not come around for another 5 years. Maybe more. And we must do whatever it takes to get one of them.

[SWFLSkins]

The Packers don't have nearly the D we had in 1991. That D was ranked 2nd in the NFL and had 3 shutouts

Their o-line isn't nearly as good either. Look how many times Rodgers gets sacked.

However, Rodgers is just that damn special where he imposes his will on a D

And none of the QB's Gibbs won with were Rodgers. In fact why didn't Elway win before Shannahan? Run game maybe?

---------- Post added December-13th-2011 at 04:23 PM ----------


Rex is pretty much awful in all circumstances. Seriously, do you not notice all the interceptions and fumbles?

You mean the sacks and stuff? Never said he was great, just serviceable with a good line and run game he could be decent. He is no Rodgers.

[Rocky52Mc]

What a terrible article. If there is no QB drafted, in particular if we have pick 3 or 4, Shanny will be gone after year 4

I agree 100%.

Believe it or not this is the draft that Shanahan waited for to get his QB and he's in prime position to do so. I wasn't a giant fan of any of the QB's last year, but these one's are mature, athletic like crazy, and seem to have what it takes. We must take a QB.

[da#1skinsfan]

At the risk of being just another EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEMEEEEESkins fan....

...we seriously should draft a 1st rd QB next year, no matter who is available...whoever we have ranked the highest.

If they dont work out draft another one next year.
And another one next year if he doesnt work out.

So on and so forth.

I want the next Flacco, Ryan, Newton, Brees, Rivers, Manning, Rothlesberger, Stafford, Dalton, Manning, etc. A guy who can come in and start in their first year and by watching them, you know they have it. You dont just make excuses about "well if they had an o-line...well if his receivers caught balls...well if he could just get his intermediate game going..." blah blah blah...a guy who you can just see can win football games.

If we dont get that guy, draft another one next year. Think about if we did that over the last 20 years we've been without a QB (save a couple fluke years)...who would we have ended up with?

I know it's insane, but desperate times call for desperate measures. You need a QB to win in this league, period. You need a QB to be ENTERTAINING in this league, period, and put up points. I for one am sick of making excuses for C+ quarterbacks, and am REALLY sick of watching these dolts hold the ball too long, fumble in the end zone, stare down receivers, not go through their progressions, not know how to slide, so on and so forth. Get a damn quarterback, at all costs.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

And none of the QB's Gibbs won with were Rodgers. In fact why didn't Elway win before Shannahan? Run game maybe?

Because Dan Reeves was kind of a stubborn *******.

---------- Post added December-13th-2011 at 06:34 PM ----------


You mean the sacks and stuff? Never said he was great, just serviceable with a good line and run game he could be decent. He is no Rodgers.

He's not serviceable. He averages two turnovers a game. He's death over the long term.

At this point, he is a backup who you hope can keep you in games for two weeks when your QB turns his ankle. I don't even think he is a particularly good option as a backup though.

[TK]

Yup. We've waited for our franchise QB for 20 years. It's time. We'll have a top 5 pick and there are 2 potential franchise QBs coming out. We MUST get one of them.

Really? Who else declared besides Luck?

---------- Post added December-13th-2011 at 06:10 PM ----------


At the risk of being just another EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEMEEEEESkins fan....

...we seriously should draft a 1st rd QB next year, no matter who is available...whoever we have ranked the highest.

If they dont work out draft another one next year.
And another one next year if he doesnt work out.

So on and so forth.


Vinny, your services still are no longer needed. :)

[jthor99]

Tannehill is someone I would keep my eye on if were going to draft a QB deeper in the draft. My assumption is that he possibly enters the draft since he has already graduated.

[Rypien1191]

Really? Who else declared besides Luck?


Alright, I should have said "potentially 2" instead of "2 potential". I'm ASSUMING RG3 will declare.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I respect Keim and Snider more than any other print sports journalist of today.

But this is one of the worst articles I've ever read from him. For anyone to float the idea of passing on the very top end of this class at the most important, and most glaring need on the team and go in with Interceptus Rexus for a second straight year is ..... well, I'll leave it to you to fill in the blanks I'm missing or else it would just be a cuss filled rant.

Hail.

[allannis]

Yup. We've waited for our franchise QB for 20 years. It's time. We'll have a top 5 pick and there are 2 potential franchise QBs coming out. We MUST get one of them.
We have already gotten three franchise QBs in the last 20 years, Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, and Jason Campbell.

[MrJL]

I think the Redskins should draft a QB. And if the guy available to them isn't a top four or five pick then trade back and hope he's there at the later pick. Teams don't always do what everyone expects in the draft.

[Win4us]

Personally I don't see a "top 3" on this board. The drop off between Luck/RGIII and Barkley is large IMO. I also don't like that Barkley was surrounded by the talent that he is, his play is probably elevated at the collegiate level because of that.

I see some potential in Tannehill. He's a converted WR though... (sort of like how Logan Thomas is a converted TE) Tannehill will graduate with only 20 starts at QB. He will not be ready for the NFL, he'll need a year of bench riding and learning, so it would mean another year of Grossman to endure.

Nicke Foles is an interesting prospect.. he's a guy like Andy Dalton that is lifting a overall crappyish team on his back and putting up big offensive numbers. Another reason to like Foles is he's 6' 5" and 240lbs. Which is the biggest of the Luck, RGIII, Barkley, Jones, Tannehill group.

Appreciate the feedback GGM. You've def got me interested in this Nick Foles kid. Seems every thing he throws archs right into the correct place. Could see him throwing plenty of go's to Tana and Armstrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaehG4uWoY

[skins2victory]

"One decent game"?...Grossman has had a QB rating of 92 or better in three of the last four games. And his game against the Patriots was a good one, even with the sack/fumble. (the INT at the end of the game was hardly a result of anything bad that Rex did).

I don't think his play overall this season proves anything more than we already knew before the season started--when Grossman is "good Rex" he can and will put points on the board, but when he's "bad Rex" he'll blow winnable games. But claiming he only had one decent game this season is asinine.

Thank you..... and well said!! Rex gets no credit by alot of people on here and by the media when he plays well. When he has a bad play there are sure quick to point it out though.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

If this draft didn't hold qbs worthy of 1st round pick, I'd see the point and consider it a fair point at that. Pointless article when you consider the candidates in next year's draft. Keep Grossman. Draft a QB preferably in the first round. Now, the only thing that could happen (didn't read the article so not sure if he mentions this) is drafting a skill player in the top ten and grabbing a QB in the second or third. I'd be cool with that if RG III or Barkley (who I don't think is worthy of top ten pick) is off the board when we draft... we may trade back again this year depending on what happens in front of us. Too many scenarios...but I do think Grossman should stay on the roster for a lot of reasons. Not as the starter per se.

[Backpack3r]

Is that person who wrote that article retarded?

There is a 100% chance we draft a QB next year

[Timmy Smith]

I'm a firm believer in the idea of going into an NFL draft and staying flexible. If another team calls and offers an unexpected trade you can't refuse that yields extra value, then you take it. If you can trade down as the draft unfolds and gain value, then you do it. You don't go into a draft hell-bent on taking a particular player, or a particular position. That said, you DO try and fill roster needs, but you don't "over-force" things. Even if you need a QB, you don't bet the farm on one guy.

I'm probably one of the few people who is secretly rooting for my beloved Skins to lose out the rest of the way (I know, I know) for the sake of draft picks, but who also wouldn't mind if we trade down, or if we don't go after one of the big-name QBs. I think our front office and scouting team are really good, and last year's draft is starting to look like it was a success.

[Destino]

There is no argument made in the NFL that is as ridiculous as "reaching" for a QB. If the QB is someone the team feels can be a franchise player the ONLY reason not to take him that makes any sense at all is the feeling that they can get him in a later round. The idea of taking a corner or even worse, a wide receiver, in place of drafting a QB that early in the draft is just inexcusable.

This is the argument for drafting Carlos Rodgers ahead of Aaron Rodgers.

Two things:
1 - Rex Grossman is a disaster. He's a turnover machine that averages 2 per game.
2 - This is a QB heavy draft.

[Warhead36]

All this talk of value is nice, but if you don't have a legit franchise QB you're basically a ship without a captain: destined to fail no matter what.

[DWil]

Say RGIII is there at #5. Do you trade that pick to Cleveland for both their 1sts, draft WR and OL and then a QB at top of second?

The short answer is that you take Griffin III (or Barkley) if they have fallen into our lap in the 1st round.

The complicated answer hinges on the potential talent to be had at QB in the 2nd RD. If Cleveland wanted to give us their two 1st Rounders and move up for Griffin III, those two 1st Rounders would absolutely help us at WR and the O-Line. If we go this route, it means that Shannahan might like his 2nd Rd QB options with Ryan Tannenhill or Nick Foles. I can't say I'd be opposed to taking Cleveland's two 1st Rounders, but if Griffin III is sitting there at our pick: we need to draft that young man and have that position taken care of for the next 15 years.

[BleedBNG]

The only good point Snider makes in his article is teams like Cleveland trading up for RGIII. The current Skins play down to bad teams (Vikings and Eagles) and will be lucky to beat the Giants in their home turf. I think we're probably looking at 4-12. If Cleveland trades up for RGIII, then I'm pretty sure we'll just take Barkley. We will not trade up.

But please, please... Rex as backup for 2012.

[BadKarma]

Would not surprise me to see us trade down again in next years draft and execute a full rebuild on the offense this offseason at every position outside of QB they way we did defense last year. I think Shanahan is committed to the rebuild and wont want to bring a rookie in here to get beat on until he has all his guys in place. I think the team will definitely look into the idea of trading into #1 to get Luck but short of a no brainer like him they will be playing the numbers game and rolling with Rex again next year.

Rex/Beck had a shortened offseason and you can bet Shanahan wont want to open himself up to making his 3rd bad decision at QB in 3 years and mare his qb guru image, that would probably be the only thing that would get him into the hot seat with napoleon. Reloading on all non qb offensive players is a easy way to get into year 4 and buy himself year 5 plus it makes sense given the fact we know his main focus is making the team younger and driving out the negative energy that clouds this team nationally in the media.

Prior to this disappointment of a season I would have been against the idea but its clear we obviously aren't focused on the now as much as we are gutting both sides of the ball to bring in Shanny's new Redskins. The only thing worse than missing out on a potential star like RG3 would be seeing Shanny fired after year 3 after drafting a Clausen/Gabbert before he completed the rebuild.

[Stophovr6]

Unfortunately the Shanny's have delayed the inevitable too long and will have to draft the QB of the future. I don't blame them for it. I'd rather RGIII than Blaine Gabbert.

[skins island connection]

Rex playing football is like an arson/firefighter.
One of those nut cases that likes to start fires, then rush to the aid to try and put the fire out.
Only thing is, the damage has already been done, and playing catch-up in 9 out of 10 games doesn't constitute steady. He is a long-time PROVEN liability; you only need to watch some Bears games or talk to some of their fans to get an idea of his [ in ]capabilities. I clearly remember watching games where he was booed so loudly in his OWN stadium that the announcers could hardly hear themselves. That should be a dead giveaway...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Would not surprise me to see us trade down again in next years draft and execute a full rebuild on the offense this offseason at every position outside of QB they way we did defense last year.

If Shanahan does not have his QB of the future on the roster on opening day 2012, he should be fired. Plain and simple.

[justice98]

Personally I don't see a "top 3" on this board. The drop off between Luck/RGIII and Barkley is large IMO. I also don't like that Barkley was surrounded by the talent that he is, his play is probably elevated at the collegiate level because of that.

I see some potential in Tannehill. He's a converted WR though... (sort of like how Logan Thomas is a converted TE) Tannehill will graduate with only 20 starts at QB. He will not be ready for the NFL, he'll need a year of bench riding and learning, so it would mean another year of Grossman to endure.

Nicke Foles is an interesting prospect.. he's a guy like Andy Dalton that is lifting a overall crappyish team on his back and putting up big offensive numbers. Another reason to like Foles is he's 6' 5" and 240lbs. Which is the biggest of the Luck, RGIII, Barkley, Jones, Tannehill group.

I don't get that logic. How is playing with other good players a detriment? By that rationale, one should only take QBs from lesser programs because a QB at a good program was always being propped up.

[Califan007]

Unfortunately the Shanny's have delayed the inevitable too long and will have to draft the QB of the future. I don't blame them for it. I'd rather RGIII than Blaine Gabbert.

Thennn...wouldn't that mean they did NOT delay the inevitable too long? lol...

[TGI Jef]

it's time to identify the guy and get him at (virtually) all costs. Luck will be unreasonably expensive. Choose Barkley or RGIII and do what it takes to put him in burgundy and gold.

i think that one thing we should point out is this:

the Colt McCoy situation may well lead to independent neurologists on the sidelines of every game, and their evaulation process will no longer be as quick. Say the starter gets a bad hit put on him - no longer will it be a matter of "you ok?"/"yeah whatever im fine." i think that this process will lead to more and more backups getting thrown in for a series at a time while the neurological evaluations take place. is this likely to happen more than a time or two per team/per season? no, but you also don't know when that time will be. i think it will lead to guys like Rex becoming more and more crucial to have as clipboard holders.

[daveakl]

If Shanahan does not have his QB of the future on the roster on opening day 2012, he should be fired. Plain and simple.

Why? If our roster was as bad as some think it was when he took over isn't it possible the situation was as dire or worse then expansion teams? Look at the history of QB's taken early by teams like that and how quickly they were ruined.

Maybe the thought process of this team is:

Year 1: Evaluate what we have and what we can keep.
Year 2: Build the defense so that the O can stay close in games and evaluate further.
Year 3: Build the O around everything but the QB. (now that being said, IF a QB is there at your pick you can argue to take him, but if a bounty is offered for that pick then maybe you move down)
Year 4: Draft the QB and have him come in midway through season.
Year 5: Prepare for playoff runs for the years moving fwd.

[KDawg]

I can't fathom Grossman at the helm for us at any point next year. In 14 appearances with the Redskins (yes, appearances. Not even starts) he's turned the ball over at least once in every single one of them. I think we could get a vet FA to be a bridge QB, who may not know the system, that will help keep us positive in the turnover ratio that would be a MUCH better option than the return of the Cannon.

[derskinsfan]

You need more than just a stud QB to win, BUT:
No one position can have a more overt impact on the team than a QB.
Have a star QB and the team is entertaining to watch.
Have a star QB and something good might happen in any given game.
Have a star QB and fans have hope.
Have a star QB and you feel like you're building toward something.
Have a star QB and you have trade leverage any time you need it because it's rare to find a star QB.
Have a star QB and you're team has a face.

Go into 2012 with Rex as your starter and you're depressed every single day until you find another QB other than Rex. And that's not intended as a knock on the guy, because I think he's pretty much maximized his potential. Don't be fooled into thinking he can be more than what you see. He can be more effective with better talent around him. But he's not a star QB.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Why? If our roster was as bad as some think it was when he took over isn't it possible the situation was as dire or worse then expansion teams? Look at the history of QB's taken early by teams like that and how quickly they were ruined.


Because this might be the best QB draft since '83 and we will be in prime position to get one of the top 3, if not the top 2.

If you put off getting a QB until later, you might end up with the 15th pick in a draft where someone like Browning Nagle is the top rated QB. And then you have to kill yourself.

Every year you do not pick a QB is two more years you are delayed in being a playoff contender. If we get a QB this year and he pans out, we should be in the playoff hunt come 2013.

Shanahan is something like 86 years old. How many years does he think he has to fix this team's most important position?

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Year 2: Build the defense so that the O can stay close in games and evaluate further.

PS We have done that. Our offense sucks at nearly every position.


Year 3: Build the O around everything but the QB. (now that being said, IF a QB is there at your pick you can argue to take him, but if a bounty is offered for that pick then maybe you move down)

As I said, do that and you become the current Cleveland Browns.

The only reason to move down is if for some reason both Luck and RGIII have not been picked by the time we draft AND the team that wants our pick does not need a QB. If you can move down three spots and still get RGIII, you do that. Otherwise, take the ****ing QB for Christ's sake.

[GaryGreenMonk]

Go into 2012 with Rex as your starter and you're depressed every single day until you find another QB other than Rex.

hahahahhahhaa... i'm not sure why, but this statement had me laughing so hard I was in tears..

i guess because it's so true... lol