View Full Version : Redskins twitter - DeJon Gomes will start rest of season at SS over LL30 **UPDATED**
c4man5282
December-15th-2011, 10:25 AM
Redskins.com @Redskins
Jim Haslett says rookie DeJon Gomes will start rest of season at strong safety.
Zac Boyer @ZacBoyer 4m Details
#Redskins' DeJon Gomes clarified he will start at SS, but Oshiomogho Atogwe also said he will be a reserve the rest of the year.
Still trying to find out who is going to start at FS.
Rick Maese @RickMaese
Correction to previous tweet: DeJon Gomes will start at strong safety over LaRon Landry
Mike Jones @MikeJonesWaPo
Correction: Gomes to start at strong safety rest of the way. #Redskins
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Status of FS Oshiomogho Atogwe uncertain at the moment. DeJon Gomes starting at SS could impact LaRon Landry more. Stay tuned. #Redskins
MattFancy
December-15th-2011, 10:25 AM
Good! Let him get some more PT. He hasn't looked too bad so far. More experience can't hurt
LetThePointsSoar
December-15th-2011, 10:26 AM
I like it - keep getting him game experience & letting him learn from game day mistakes. Good move.
Bat~man
December-15th-2011, 10:27 AM
Eh..I like youth, but this guy is tiny. A SS that's no real threat to hit you hard.
S.T.real,lights,out
December-15th-2011, 10:28 AM
Like that Gomes is getting his chance. Would be nice if he can step up and play at a high level. Wouldn't put as much pressure on us when it comes to LL next season.
On a side not, is it just me or does Gomes look extre small out there??
MattFancy
December-15th-2011, 10:30 AM
From Rotoworld:
Coach Mike Shanahan hinted that SS LaRon Landry (groin, Achilles) may be done for the season.
Landry, a difference-maker when healthy, has appeared in just 17 games over the last two seasons thanks to an assortment of injuries. That's left Reed Doughty to pick up the slack. Landry will be an unrestricted free agent after the season and the franchise tag has already been suggested as a possibility.
70th Week
December-15th-2011, 10:30 AM
franchise tag, LOL........
Sacks N Stuff
December-15th-2011, 10:31 AM
Eh..I like youth, but this guy is tiny. A SS that's no real threat to hit you hard.
I could care less how hard he hits as long as he gets the ball carrier on the ground and doesn't blow coverage.
Not getting stupid penalties or wagging his finger in the "no-no-no" motion after the other team gets a 20 yard first down would also be nice.
Sacks N Stuff
December-15th-2011, 10:32 AM
franchise tag, LOL........
I want that dog in your sig
S.T.real,lights,out
December-15th-2011, 10:33 AM
^^LL56 said that last week. Good call.
dswerdlw
December-15th-2011, 10:33 AM
I'm wondering if Gomes just looks really small when he's covering Gronkowski, who is really big.
70th Week
December-15th-2011, 10:35 AM
I want that dog in your sig
he's a cool dude...
Enter Apotheosis
December-15th-2011, 10:35 AM
Eh..I like youth, but this guy is tiny. A SS that's no real threat to hit you hard.
I swear, people have absolutely horrendous conceptions of how big players need to be in the NFL. Ed Reed, Ryan Clark and Troy Polamalu would like to have a word with you.
I'm wondering if Gomes just looks really small when he's covering Gronkowski, who is really big.
Any DB is going to look small when covering him. He's got 20-85 pounds and 2-9 inches on all of them.
Sacks N Stuff
December-15th-2011, 10:43 AM
:clap:
Good. About time. Laron, its been good. Get healthy so next year you can actually play.
For someone else
Bat~man
December-15th-2011, 10:44 AM
I swear, people have absolutely horrendous conceptions of how big players need to be in the NFL. Ed Reed, Ryan Clark and Troy Polamalu would like to have a word with you.
Any DB is going to loosmall when covering him. He's got 20-85 pounds and 2-9 inches on all of them.
Don't be an azz. Gomes is 5'11 . That's more than looking small..that is small. Don't point to a couple players and act as if that's the rule. He is tiny and at SS ...expect him to get bulldozed.
WhoRUSupposed2Be
December-15th-2011, 10:50 AM
^^LL56 said that last week. Good call.
In what thread did LL56 hint this in?
Somehow and someway, I expect the Redskins to be looking at Safety again in this upcoming draft.
scruffylookin
December-15th-2011, 10:53 AM
Good riddance to Landry.
This is great news. Good Luck to Gomes. Hopefully he shows enough to be pegged the starter next year.
Champskins
December-15th-2011, 10:56 AM
Don't be an azz. Gomes is 5'11 . That's more than looking small..that is small. Don't point to a couple players and act as if that's the rule. He is tiny and at SS ...expect him to get bulldozed.
.... Average size of NFL Strong Safety - 6'0 205
Dejon Gomes - 6'0 (or 5'11 1/2) and 208 before drafted... probably put on more weight now.... check your stats. Gomes is a beast in the box. Worry about the FS position
Coach Janky Spanky
December-15th-2011, 10:57 AM
Good that Gomes is getting more time on field this year to develop.
We need to re-sign Landry. It should be a priority. In the past we have failed to re-sign our own players -- Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark come to mind. We should take a risk on Landry -- hopefully it won't cost as much as it would have before this year, and hopefully we get a hometown discount. And he was the 6th pick in the draft!! This is one of those situations where, given his upside, there is risk in keeping him but I think we have to take it.
Alcoholic Zebra
December-15th-2011, 10:58 AM
Hmm, this raises a lot of questions. What happens at the FS spot? A mix of Doughty and Otogwe depending on offensive personnel?
Sacks N Stuff
December-15th-2011, 10:58 AM
We need to re-sign Landry. It should be a priority. In the past we have failed to re-sign our own players -- Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark come to mind. We should take a risk on Landry -- hopefully it won't cost as much as it would have before this year, and hopefully we get a hometown discount. And he was the 6th pick in the draft!! This is one of those situations where, given his upside, there is risk in keeping him but I think we have to take it.
He doesn't play. When he does play, he isn't any good. He's going to want a truckload of money. There's a good chance he fails an HGH test.
No thanks.
grego
December-15th-2011, 10:59 AM
We need to re-sign Landry. It should be a priority. In the past we have failed to re-sign our own players -- Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark come to mind..
youre right, but those players werent hurt. this is about more than money. gotta sign him at the right price if at all.
Botched
December-15th-2011, 11:09 AM
Wasn't there a thread in the offseason that was asking if Atogwe and Landry were the best safety tandem in the league?
I'm ready to vote now.
Rocky21
December-15th-2011, 11:10 AM
Couch Potatoes Unite!!!
This is proof that being a work out warrior like Landry is bad for your health.;)
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.... Average size of NFL Strong Safety - 6'0 205
Dejon Gomes - 6'0 (or 5'11 1/2) and 208 before drafted... probably put on more weight now.... check your stats. Thanks for this info. I always thought Gomes was kind of small too but now I see he really isn't.
Enter Apotheosis
December-15th-2011, 11:19 AM
Don't be an azz. Gomes is 5'11 . That's more than looking small..that is small. Don't point to a couple players and act as if that's the rule. He is tiny and at SS ...expect him to get bulldozed.
I wouldn't need to be an ass if people actually did their homework every now and then instead of spouting off nonsense. Aside from the three guys I already listed Nick Collins, Jairus Byrd, Rashard Johnson, Donte Whitner, and Charlie Peprah are all starting safeties who are roughly Gomes' size. There are also a few guys like Michael Griffin, Tyvon Branch, and Michael Huff who are a whopping two inches taller than Gomes but weigh the same, which is actually a disadvantage when it comes to delivering blows on the football field.
SonOfWashington
December-15th-2011, 11:28 AM
Landry going to IR:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?360300-WP-Insider-Redskins-plan-to-place-LaRon-Landry-on-IR
TK
December-15th-2011, 11:29 AM
No thanks.
Same to ya Sacks N errrrrrr I mean Skinnyfan57 reincarnated.
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In other words, Boots to ass Part Deaux.
Gibbs Hog Heaven
December-15th-2011, 11:41 AM
Good. Let the on-field evaluation continue.
Hail.
fancrazyskin
December-15th-2011, 11:42 AM
Eh..I like youth, but this guy is tiny. A SS that's no real threat to hit you hard.
I see them beefing him up in the off-season if they feel that he can play as a starter. Yeah I see your point his is a little scrawny for a Safety, I don't see him putting any fear in a opposing offensive players.
Alcoholic Zebra
December-15th-2011, 11:47 AM
Couch Potatoes Unite!!!
This is proof that being a work out warrior like Landry is bad for your health.;)
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Thanks for this info. I always thought Gomes was kind of small too but now I see he really isn't.
It's more so that Landry is just freakishly huge, and that skews our perspective.
Botched
December-15th-2011, 11:53 AM
NFL. com has Gomes listed at 5-11 200. He looks significantly smaller than that to me. I would have guessed 5-9 180.
DeadExField
December-15th-2011, 11:55 AM
Didn't we do something similar towards the end of last season?
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Wasn't there a thread in the offseason that was asking if Atogwe and Landry were the best safety tandem in the league?
I'm ready to vote now.
they're still a tandem...
in the health center :silly:
WhoRUSupposed2Be
December-15th-2011, 11:56 AM
NFL. com has Gomes listed at 5-11 200. He looks significantly smaller than that to me. I would have guessed 5-9 180.
When watching these players on the tube, physicality can be deceiving.
DeadExField
December-15th-2011, 12:04 PM
You just have to get lower than the other guy, and play BIG.
S.T.real,lights,out
December-15th-2011, 12:12 PM
In what thread did LL56 hint this in?
Somehow and someway, I expect the Redskins to be looking at Safety again in this upcoming draft.
Um, the injury report thread from last week
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NFL. com has Gomes listed at 5-11 200. He looks significantly smaller than that to me. I would have guessed 5-9 180.
:ols: I looked that up too.
Now way he's 200 and Troy P is 207
c4man5282
December-15th-2011, 12:15 PM
Um, the injury report thread from last week
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:ols: I looked that up too.
Now way he's 200 and Troy P is 207
Most of TP weight is from his hair :silly:
S.T.real,lights,out
December-15th-2011, 12:26 PM
Most of TP weight is from his hair :silly:
:ols:
Good point!!
skinsmania123
December-15th-2011, 12:27 PM
I could care less how hard he hits as long as he gets the ball carrier on the ground and doesn't blow coverage.
Not getting stupid penalties or wagging his finger in the "no-no-no" motion after the other team gets a 20 yard first down would also be nice.
Hehe...Exactly
the burgundy and gold
December-15th-2011, 12:30 PM
Oshiomogho Atogwe also said he will be a reserve the rest of the year.
Wow, how disappointing has Atogwe been? Besides his one INT I can hardly remember seeing him making an impact at all this year.
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy
December-15th-2011, 01:20 PM
I think Atogwe has been limited because of his health. I'm still holding out hope that he will return to form next season. It's not like he's ancient.
As for Gomes, I think people are selling the kid short on his ability to play physical. He popped Gronkowski in the mouth and landed him on his arse last week. Granted, it was just one play...but that hit was definitely not one to suggest that he can't lay a few guys out.
santana_4_prez
December-15th-2011, 01:32 PM
Sounds like surgery for Dirty 30...hope that does the trick.
SkinsHokieFan
December-15th-2011, 01:32 PM
Sounds like surgery for Dirty 30...hope that does the trick.
Well we won't see him again till 2013 then
Champskins
December-15th-2011, 01:38 PM
I actually wanted to start a thread about this, but I can discuss it in here. We need to move DHall to FS, LL30 and DGomes can stay at SS. That way we can get a true #1 CB opposite Josh Wilson.
We'd have CB's of J WIlson - Brandyn Thompson - Kevin Barnes - true #1 draft pick or free agent
Safeties in LL30/DGomes/Doughty/Hall
GaryGreenMonk
December-15th-2011, 01:41 PM
sorry Laron, but this is what you get for trashing your body.
bigger does not equal better.
jivelikenice
December-15th-2011, 01:48 PM
I actually wanted to start a thread about this, but I can discuss it in here. We need to move DHall to FS, LL30 and DGomes can stay at SS. That way we can get a true #1 CB opposite Josh Wilson.
We'd have CB's of J WIlson - Brandyn Thompson - Kevin Barnes - true #1 draft pick or free agent
Safeties in LL30/DGomes/Doughty/Hall
Hall would be intruiging at FS. He'd still bite on occasion but would give great range and ballhawkings skills back there. I think He needs to move either there or to the slot. We need to put Hall in position to play to his strengths and get him in position where his risk taking can pay off for us.
Champskins
December-15th-2011, 01:51 PM
Hall would be intruiging at FS. He'd still bite on occasion but would give great range and ballhawkings skills back there. I think He needs to move either there or to the slot. We need to put Hall in position to play to his strengths and get him in position where his risk taking can pay off for us.
Thats exactly it, he plays off the ball... he's a zone CB who can roam the top with free range while the SS is in the box majority of the time. Like Denver will be doing with Champ
rebornempowered
December-15th-2011, 03:14 PM
I think Atogwe has been limited because of his health. I'm still holding out hope that he will return to form next season. It's not like he's ancient.
As for Gomes, I think people are selling the kid short on his ability to play physical. He popped Gronkowski in the mouth and landed him on his arse last week. Granted, it was just one play...but that hit was definitely not one to suggest that he can't lay a few guys out.
Gomes had some serious hits his senior year at Nebraska. The kind where you call everybody into the room, rewind it, and watch it four or five times. Excited to see what an offseason without a lockout can do for him and adding some strength (the legal way of course).
Enter Apotheosis
December-15th-2011, 03:32 PM
Hall would be intruiging at FS. He'd still bite on occasion but would give great range and ballhawkings skills back there. I think He needs to move either there or to the slot. We need to put Hall in position to play to his strengths and get him in position where his risk taking can pay off for us.
Thats exactly it, he plays off the ball... he's a zone CB who can roam the top with free range while the SS is in the box majority of the time. Like Denver will be doing with Champ
I'm still of the opinion that the Hall to FS idea that occasionally gets floated around here is a disaster waiting to happen. He has improved his tackling since becoming a Redskin but he's still not reliable enough in that regard for me to feel comfortable with him as the last line of defense.
ddub52
December-15th-2011, 03:45 PM
Eh..I like youth, but this guy is tiny. A SS that's no real threat to hit you hard.
Tell that to Gronkowski
Chump Bailey
December-15th-2011, 04:06 PM
FS is a big need IMO. Hopefully we can find one in the draft or perhaps go after Thomas DeCoud.
davidterzian8
December-15th-2011, 04:09 PM
Eh..I like youth, but this guy is tiny. A SS that's no real threat to hit you hard.
It's not like your allowed to hit hard from the safety position anymore anyways lol
herb mul-key
December-15th-2011, 04:31 PM
if #30 can get healthy and sign a ta reasonable level may Gomes and Landry make a good tandem...not sold on Doughty or AJ...
Like the guy but...has Doughty made a great play all year...? We need a playmaking safety...#37 ain't getting it done IMHO
Kelvin Bryant
December-15th-2011, 04:44 PM
Hall would be intruiging at FS. He'd still bite on occasion but would give great range and ballhawkings skills back there. I think He needs to move either there or to the slot. We need to put Hall in position to play to his strengths and get him in position where his risk taking can pay off for us.
Don't free safeties occasionally have to make tackles?
darrell1106
December-15th-2011, 05:26 PM
I could care less how hard he hits as long as he gets the ball carrier on the ground and doesn't blow coverage.
Not getting stupid penalties or wagging his finger in the "no-no-no" motion after the other team gets a 20 yard first down would also be nice.
ehhh he didn't. See pats game against Gradkowski. He's a beast but really?
Bat~man
December-15th-2011, 06:03 PM
It's not like your allowed to hit hard from the safety position anymore anyways lol
lol, so true...
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Tell that to Gronkowski
huh? tell gronkowski that we have a SS that is no threat to hit him hard? I think he figured that out when he carried him up the field..
Taylor 36
December-15th-2011, 06:08 PM
Eh..I like youth, but this guy is tiny. A SS that's no real threat to hit you hard. Hitting hard has gotten us nowhere the last five seasons. We need a SS that can actually tackle.
ddub52
December-15th-2011, 06:14 PM
lol, so true...
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I guess you dont remember when Gomes put him on the floor in the end zone
huh? tell gronkowski that we have a SS that is no threat to hit him hard? I think he figured that out when he carried him up the field..
amm0409
December-15th-2011, 06:33 PM
Tell that to Gronkowski
Yeh, Gronkowski pretty much owned him. He made him look like a smurf on that TD catch. I think his done pretty well though. Im looking forward watching him play the rest of the season. See what he can do. His already done some good things. I see alot of talk about small, and cant lay the wood. Will see, Gronkowski is a beast
ddub52
December-15th-2011, 06:49 PM
Yeh, Gronkowski pretty much owned him. He made him look like a smurf on that TD catch. I think his done pretty well though. Im looking forward watching him play the rest of the season. See what he can do. His already done some good things. I see alot of talk about small, and cant lay the wood. Will see, Gronkowski is a beast
I was actually referring to when he knocked Gronkowski on the ground and he didnt catch what most likely would have been a TD. Although I do agree that Gronko owned the rest of the game
Darc Requiem
December-15th-2011, 06:53 PM
Isn't Gronkowski 6'7? He makes just about every DB out there look like a smurf.
zskins
December-15th-2011, 07:09 PM
NFL. com has Gomes listed at 5-11 200. He looks significantly smaller than that to me. I would have guessed 5-9 180.
We have see LL get trucked and dragged by Jacobs/Jackson before so Gomes can't do any worse. :ols:
Skinsfan4life83
December-15th-2011, 07:21 PM
I would resign Landry. I like that Gomes is getting some playing time, he will make a good back up. But Landry has already shown flashes. If we can get hon for a good price I believe Safety will be a strength next year.
Landry will finally have surgery like he should have done in the first place. With him and Atogwe given a chance to heal up right I think they could be a very good duo.
Wyvern
December-15th-2011, 07:33 PM
I'm still of the opinion that the Hall to FS idea that occasionally gets floated around here is a disaster waiting to happen. He has improved his tackling since becoming a Redskin but he's still not reliable enough in that regard for me to feel comfortable with him as the last line of defense. I agree so much with this quote. And after watching how Welker essentially could head-fake Hall at will -- I don't want Hall as the Skins 'last line of defense' FS.
authentic
December-15th-2011, 07:38 PM
Couch Potatoes Unite!!!
This is proof that being a work out warrior like Landry is bad for your health..
i think it speaks more to HOW he got so big. As i speculated months ago, i think he's suffering from "David Boston" syndrome. I hate to think like that, but i just can't help it.
Bat~man
December-15th-2011, 08:52 PM
i think it speaks more to HOW he got so big. As i speculated months ago, i think he's suffering from "David Boston" syndrome. I hate to think like that, but i just can't help it.
I don't think you're saying anything that we don't already know. Unless you're just a serious LL fan, you know he's juiced...look at his build from college to now, it isn't possible to gain that much raw/lean weight in the amount of time he done it in, genetics or not.
His body falling clean apart is just further proof that the man is synthetic, it's a shame.
authentic
December-15th-2011, 09:36 PM
I don't think you're saying anything that we don't already know. Unless you're just a serious LL fan, you know he's juiced...look at his build from college to now, it isn't possible to gain that much raw/lean weight in the amount of time he done it in, genetics or not.
His body falling clean apart is just further proof that the man is synthetic, it's a shame.
What is that remark about Bat~man? Elaborate please......
Bat~man
December-15th-2011, 09:56 PM
What is that remark about Bat~man? Elaborate please......
Eh.. What part don't you understand ? I was speaking in general... there are some hardcore Laron fans on this board that refuse to think the guy is juiced.
da#1skinsfan
December-16th-2011, 05:55 AM
Love the idea of franchising LL.
Much less risk than the big deal. If he gets hurt again with his steroid-side effect injuries, then we bail and move on. If he plays like he did first half of last year and stays healthy, then it's big payday time.
wilco_holland
December-16th-2011, 06:10 AM
Have we seen the last of LaRon in a īSkins uniform? A team will probally offer him a boat load of money (bet on Pats, Cinc, Dallas) and I don't trust that he can come back healthy. The ship will probally sail under a other flag.
Destino
December-16th-2011, 06:15 AM
Isn't Gronkowski 6'7? He makes just about every DB out there look like a smurf.
Aren't tight ends usually much larger than defensive backs in the NFL? Usually round 6'4 and 260ish (which makes them significantly larger then defensive backs).
justice98
December-16th-2011, 06:59 AM
Wow, how disappointing has Atogwe been? Besides his one INT I can hardly remember seeing him making an impact at all this year.
He's been solid, not spectacular. He just seems to be hurt all the time. He may not have made a big impact, but he hasn't had a negative impact either. There haven't been too many moments where you throw your remote at the TV cuz Otogwe's in coverage, a la Reed Doughty, or anyone else we've had back there in several years. He's just clearly not a ball hawk though, which I can live with as long as you don't get torched. I would prefer he come back though, than have to go get two starting safeties instead of one.
authentic
December-16th-2011, 07:28 AM
Eh.. What part don't you understand ? I was speaking in general... there are some hardcore Laron fans on this board that refuse to think the guy is juiced.
sorry bro, i thought you were saying something else. It was a misunderstanding on my part.... BTW i totally agree with you.
skins2323
December-16th-2011, 07:45 AM
I agree with everyone else on here comparing LL to David Boston. Its a shame, but the fact that he is already breaking down is not a good sign. When healthy though, he is a premier SS in the NFL, and a capable NFC Pro-Bowl threat. IMO, we should franchise him this offseason, and see how he plays next year. I just cant justify sinking a long term contract into a injury prone player, who never sees the field, IMO that would hurt the Redskins more then anything and I think Bruce is wise enough to realize this too.
If I were playing GM, I would hope LaRon returns healthy next year and plays at a very high level on his franchise tag. Then you have options to move him for a 2nd-3rd rounder in the offseason (after you franchise him again), or you explore a long-term deal. Even if he returns to play a full season next year, I still may be wary to sign him long-term, but hey thats just me and my opinion. If he does not perform next year or cant get on the field bc of injury, then you cut your losses at the end of the year or try to get him signed for a VERY discounted price. If he cant stay on the field next year either, his asking tag cant realistically be that high the following season.
Burgold
December-16th-2011, 07:47 AM
Love the idea of franchising LL.
Much less risk than the big deal. If he gets hurt again with his steroid-side effect injuries, then we bail and move on. If he plays like he did first half of last year and stays healthy, then it's big payday time.
What has he done that makes you think he's worth the average salary of the top five safties?
I'd re-sign him for what his production is worth, plus maybe a little extra 'cause he's home grown, but he's not an all-star safety, a pro-bowl safety. He's still mostly about unrealized potential and if it hasn't materialized by now you have to wonder if it ever will. He was great for 8 games last year. Before that, after that, his play is horribly inconsistant. We can't even say he's Bob Sanders-like who was really good at safety and that he was sorely missed whenever he fell to injury. He's a good, hard hitting, inconsistant, won't use his arms to tackle safety.
Hailskins94
December-16th-2011, 09:21 AM
What has he done that makes you think he's worth the average salary of the top five safties?
I'd re-sign him for what his production is worth, plus maybe a little extra 'cause he's home grown, but he's not an all-star safety, a pro-bowl safety. H
What is his production really though? I'm not saying he's a terrible safety or anything but he is extremely average and replaceable. He doesn't get sacks, doesn't get int's, and doesn't even cause turnovers. He's also not that great of a tackler and has average coverage skills.
How much better has he gotten since his rookie year on 2007???
He's bulked up way too much to play his position and now his body is eroding and he is having tendon issues on top of all of that.
Shawn Merriman anyone?
justice98
December-16th-2011, 10:22 AM
I would resign Landry. I like that Gomes is getting some playing time, he will make a good back up. But Landry has already shown flashes. If we can get hon for a good price I believe Safety will be a strength next year.
Landry will finally have surgery like he should have done in the first place. With him and Atogwe given a chance to heal up right I think they could be a very good duo.
I think that's totally set him back. Trying to get through it, instead of dealing with it once and for all. When he missed the second half of last season and went through the entire offseason, then came into the season still not 100%, that told me all I needed to hear.
But back to back years winding up on injured reserve isn't gonna help his bargaining power anywhere. Maybe he could be had for good money, unless they just wanted to move on for moving ons sake.
Champskins
December-16th-2011, 10:25 AM
Like I said before the season even started.... Landry will have the achilles surgery at the end of this season... from what i've read, you lose about 10% of mobility and never come back the same. He may come back about the same as Lavar Arrington did when he went to the Giants after "Spaghetti Knee" and be useless... or by some miracle he could be healed and ready to go... He'll come back if he takes an average mid-tier SS salary with injury clauses, but I dont see him taking it with his ego getting in the way.
By the way - I have a new nickname for all of those that use "Dirty30".... how about "Hurt-y30".... or just Bob Sanders Jr.
da#1skinsfan
December-16th-2011, 03:19 PM
What has he done that makes you think he's worth the average salary of the top five safties?
I'd re-sign him for what his production is worth, plus maybe a little extra 'cause he's home grown, but he's not an all-star safety, a pro-bowl safety. He's still mostly about unrealized potential and if it hasn't materialized by now you have to wonder if it ever will. He was great for 8 games last year. Before that, after that, his play is horribly inconsistant. We can't even say he's Bob Sanders-like who was really good at safety and that he was sorely missed whenever he fell to injury. He's a good, hard hitting, inconsistant, won't use his arms to tackle safety.
Half a year as the Defensive Player of the Year is more than enough for me to say we should take a one-year flier on the guy.
People get so wrapped up about "worth" - the guy is "worth" what a team will pay him. He'll get a big contract somewhere else. Spending a bit of Danny's money in 1 single season with the franchise tag won't limit us cap-wise in the future, and won't guarantee we have a highly paid guy on IR for more than one season. If he gets hurt again next year and fizzles, buh bye. One year down the drain, big deal. If we resign him to a long term deal, he gets hurt and fizzles, thats a hell of a lot more on the line. Sure I'd love to say "lets give him a contract for what he's worth" and sign him to a 3yr $10M deal or something b/c he's not an "all-star", but it aint happenin, someone else will pay him.
From a teams perspective, one of the huge benefits of the franchise tag is to give them another year to see if a promising guy is going to be worth that big deal without the long term commitment/risk to cap. No long term risk to overpaying him. No short term risk in losing him to another team and having him blow up. Just a one year fat check from Snyder.
I can live with that. Certainly easier than the other 2 scenarios (lose him or overpay multiyear).
GSF
December-16th-2011, 03:36 PM
I don't get all the buzz with Gommes. He really doesn't look very good to me.
Gibbs Hog Heaven
December-16th-2011, 03:38 PM
I don't get all the buzz with Gommes. He really doesn't look very good to me.
I think most are just happy we'll get to see him consistently on the field the rest of this year to evaluate what we do actually have in him going forward, or not; as opposed to Reed being out there alongside either Otogwe or Landry if either missed.
Hail.
GSF
December-16th-2011, 10:27 PM
Reed has been out there most of the time with Gommes in the last few games. Reed is actually playing the best out of all the safeties right now imo.
mi6
December-16th-2011, 10:31 PM
Best wishes Gomes ... Hope you make the most of the opportunity that has been presented to you.
Time for the Skins to keep an eye on University of Maryland Safety, Kenny Tate. He is tall, physical, and a playmaker.
wildbill1952
December-17th-2011, 09:20 AM
Landry is on record as saying he'd take a one year deal. Do it. Evaluate him for the off-season, pre-season. If he makes it back, even at 90% of the game he displayed at the start of last year, maybe the Skins get a home-grown discount from him the year after. If he doesn't pan out, then we weren't going to draft a strong safety anyway. Look at the FA market for SS. You won't find one that knows the Skins D as well. He's home grown with a potential to be very, very good if healthy. A one year contract won't break the salary cap.
skinfan2k
December-17th-2011, 09:31 AM
Why isn't LL getting his surgery now? why is he wasting a couple of weeks?
mboyd784
December-17th-2011, 10:00 AM
This team needs to go forward without Landry.
sly
December-17th-2011, 04:03 PM
Shawn Merriman anyone?
Merriman has been IRed the past 2 seasons with achilles issues. Unfortunately, this sounds pretty accurate. I do hope we keep LL, just because I'd just hate to see another wasted top draft pick, even worse if he goes to another team and excels.
da#1skinsfan
December-18th-2011, 08:39 AM
Why on earth would we franchise a guy who probably won't play all next year? Seriously, someone tell me.
Sign him to a decent one year deal with incentives that kick in if he actually plays next season. But 7 million for a guy to play, at kit, 4 games. No thank you.
Because thats what we may need to do to keep him for one year, as you suggest. Sure it'd be great if we could sign him to a light one year deal with incentives to reach what he's "worth", it would also be nice if the Colts traded us Peyton for a 7th rd pick or if Calvin Johnson opted out of his contract and signed with the Skins for 10yrs $10M. Keep dreaming.
DeadExField
December-18th-2011, 08:51 AM
I think we have the most banged up safety core in the league. Our only healthy safeties are rookies. IDK maybe we need to just redo the whole ranks
skinfan2k
December-18th-2011, 09:12 AM
Because he's an idiot or its a negotiating ploy.
Why on earth would we franchise a guy who probably won't play all next year? Seriously, someone tell me.
Sign him to a decent one year deal with incentives that kick in if he actually plays next season. But 7 million for a guy to play, at kit, 4 games. No thank you.
I seriously want to know what people see in LL. Has he made any extraordinary plays that warrant a big contract? right now, the only thing i can think people want to keep him because he was apart of area 51 and the 5th overall pick
Painkiller
December-18th-2011, 09:24 AM
Not getting stupid penalties or wagging his finger in the "no-no-no" motion after the other team gets a 20 yard first down would also be nice.
Here Here
GibbsFactor
December-18th-2011, 09:27 AM
I don't get all the buzz with Gommes. He really doesn't look very good to me.
I thought it was a great pick during the draft. He's a rookie but what I like is that he could be like a nickel safety. Kinda like our own 46 in a way but we could utilize 3 safeties. That's what I wanted to see when we drafted him.
ciresolstice
December-18th-2011, 10:43 AM
Now is the time to evaluate and see what we have going forward...with a combination of starters and backups. In the Redskins case, a lot of backups are starting already anyway.
da#1skinsfan
December-18th-2011, 11:36 AM
Then don't re-sign him. It's that simple. Absolutely no reason to waste money on Landry when we have other needs that that money can help with.
And in what league have we ever been financially-limited? Yes, I would agree with you if there was some sort of preventative measure in place in terms of spending money, however given we have a guy who we invested a top 10 pick on, he has shown flashes of greatness, was absolutely a candidate for DPOY when he was healthy just a season ago....is he injury-prone? absolutely. should we sign him to a large multiyear deal? no.
So our options are:
Let him walk
Sign him to some extremeskins dream contract for 1yr $3M
Franchise tag him for 1yr $7M
So, is it really worth $4M, which by the way will have no impact on your wallet, my wallet, or our ability to pick up other players, to let a guy with this much promise walk away?
This is a no brainer. Play it safe, franchise him, if he gets hurt again next year cut him loose, if he finally shows he can stay healthy and be the player he can be, sign him to a long term deal. Folks this is a major reason the franchise tag exists.
ConnSKINS26
December-18th-2011, 11:37 AM
I think we have the most banged up safety core in the league. Our only healthy safeties are rookies. IDK maybe we need to just redo the whole ranks
We only have one rookie safety in Gomes. Doughty has been with us for a quite a while, and though he's not starting material, its not as if its odd to see him on the field, unfortunately.
Nicealot
December-18th-2011, 12:57 PM
I'm so happy to see us run for 3rd and 1 like normal teams instead of downfield throws...
Hubbs
December-18th-2011, 01:42 PM
Good that Gomes is getting more time on field this year to develop.
We need to re-sign Landry. It should be a priority. In the past we have failed to re-sign our own players -- Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark come to mind. We should take a risk on Landry -- hopefully it won't cost as much as it would have before this year, and hopefully we get a hometown discount. And he was the 6th pick in the draft!! This is one of those situations where, given his upside, there is risk in keeping him but I think we have to take it.
I agree, although his position in the draft has nothing to do with it. The potential for him to play like he did last year is still there. That's too much upside to ignore.
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