PFT/Yahoo Sports: RG3's parents interviewing agents

[Rypien1191]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/16/report-robert-griffin-iiis-parents-interviewing-agents/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_robert_griffin_baylor_draft_agents121611

[PortisBetts]

Oh please let it be true. I think he definetly becomes Shanahans target if he declares.

[Dirty#30]

and the drama begins... Seriously if we land this kid it will be like... like ... Christmas in April!

[TaylorPickSix]

That's a really good sign. I think if Barkley declares we have a VERY good shot at getting RGIII, because then Cleveland and Miami might be more willing to stand pat and draft him than trade up.

[Missouri_Skins_Fan]

I really want this dude,in the Burgundy & Gold!

Remember that Banks TD to Moss?

http://www.nflrush.com/video/3275

That's NOTHING what this kid can do,gentleman. Get him here, Shanny!!

Can you imagine the Eagles VS Redskins games now?
Vick VS RGlll show...Love it!

[bowhunter]

Unless we trade up, it's quite possible that we would be odd man out (assuming we pick in #4 spot) Luck, Barkley, and RG3 will be gone before we get a chance. Other teams know we need a QB and may make some interesting trades to move ahead of us.

[RSimports]

Unless we trade up, it's quite possible that we would be odd man out (assuming we pick in #4 spot) Luck, Barkley, and RG3 will be gone before we get a chance. Other teams know we need a QB and may make some interesting trades to move ahead of us.

I would be shocked to see the second and third pick traded in the same draft and 3qbs getting selected in a row. Doubtful that happens. Everyone seems to be forgetting that there is a reason that st louis and the viking are picking second and third in the draft they have needs as well! I'm pretty certain that would make history if the second and third got traded away back to back. Not saying it couldn't happen just trying to be realistic about it.

[skinsfan1523]

Whoever we get is gonna have a lot of pressure on him. He is gonna bear the 20 years of frustration we have. I just hope we can let him develop if we get RG3 or anyone else.

[bowhunter]

I would be shocked to see the second and third pick traded in the same draft and 3qbs getting selected in a row. Doubtful that happens. Everyone seems to be forgetting that there is a reason that st louis and the viking are picking second and third in the draft they have needs as well! I'm pretty certain that would make history if the second and third got traded away back to back. Not saying it couldn't happen just trying to be realistic about it.

Certainly would be unusual for sure. But with 1st rounds picks now drawing reduced salaries, and several teams in need of a good QB, it's quite possible. St. Louis already has a QB, but could most certainly build a pretty good team out of all the picks someone is gonna give them.

[daveakl]

Unless we trade up, it's quite possible that we would be odd man out (assuming we pick in #4 spot) Luck, Barkley, and RG3 will be gone before we get a chance. Other teams know we need a QB and may make some interesting trades to move ahead of us.

Not true.

Here is where the #3 QB has gone in the past:

2011: 10th
2010: 48th
2009: 17th
2008: 56th
2007: 36th
2006: 11th (taken by MS)
2005: 24th
2004: 11th
2003: 19th
2002: 32nd
2001: 53rd

1983: 14th (One of the best QB drafts ever)

[bowhunter]

Not true.

Here is where the #3 QB has gone in the past:

2011: 10th
2010: 48th
2009: 17th
2008: 56th
2007: 36th
2006: 11th (taken by MS)
2005: 24th
2004: 11th
2003: 19th
2002: 32nd
2001: 53rd

1983: 14th (One of the best QB drafts ever)

I forget, which year was it that Luck, Barkley and RG3 were drafted. That year would be a great example the of POSSIBILITIES of this years draft

[GOSKN5]

I doubt three go in a row, especially now that Kalil from USC has declared... he will likely go in the top 3 IMO....

[Jumbo]

Thread after thread. :)

Here's some reasons that after following the NFL as long as I have, I don't get wound up about "the Magic Wand Draft Pick" like a thousand of you guys who will crash real ugly (and all over the board) if any of them turn out to be true again.

1. Some trade will occur of a nature that makes months of conjecturing, excessive thinking, scheming, emoting, and arguing superfluous.
2. The guy you want will be gone (even when you're sure he'll be there) when the moment actually arrives
3. They don't take the guy you want (even if you're "sure" they should/will) even if he's available.
4. They do take the guy you and a thousand others like you were so sure would be the Magic Wand and he's anything from decent/mediocre to a bust in the NFL game.
5. They take the guy but he doesn't turn out to be the guy you thought he was head-wise and adds a lot of locker-room issues with inconsistent game performance.

I won't mention injury and other things than can keep "the magic wand" from being that in reality, because they can apply to any player. But the top four are ones I have seen so frequently in the NFL over the years (and for the Redskins/ES in particular) regarding top 5 "sure thing" draft picks. So while I take normal interest in such things, and devote a little excitedness to discussion of some, I really don't invest too much and prefer a more "kick back and see what happens" attitude. The board will always still go crazy because people will always confuse the acuity of their analyses, what they personally want and/or think should be, with reality and how the universe really works. :D

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/The-Grinch.jpg

:evilg: :ols: :pfft:

[Rufus T Firefly]

I forget, which year was it that Luck, Barkley and RG3 were drafted. That year would be a great example the of POSSIBILITIES of this years draft

Thank you.

[ACW]

Do want ::yes:

[MONTEY]

Wow. Gonna be a lot of sick puppies on this site if the planets don't align themselves in our favor for Griffin the 3rd.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Wow. Gonna be a lot of sick puppies on this site if the planets don't align themselves in our favor for Griffin the 3rd.

Hopefully our sights are set on the MAJOR prize from Stanford.

That should sweeten any disappointment.

Hail.

[DavidGQ]

Certainly would be unusual for sure. But with 1st rounds picks now drawing reduced salaries, and several teams in need of a good QB, it's quite possible. St. Louis already has a QB, but could most certainly build a pretty good team out of all the picks someone is gonna give them.

So Rams will trade down and passed on Blackmon? They need a WR for Bradford.
Vikings will trade down and passed on Kalil? They need a LT to protect Ponder.
Cleveland needs RB/WR more than a QB
Mia needs QB but they will settle for RG 3 or Barkley if both declare and we draft one of them. No need to trade up.

The key is for us to be at #4 at the worst. We should land a top 3 QB.

I am not even going to worry. There can be so much changes from now til Draft day.

[daveakl]

I forget, which year was it that Luck, Barkley and RG3 were drafted. That year would be a great example the of POSSIBILITIES of this years draft

You got me there. Of course it is possible something that has never happened could happen.

[DavidGQ]

You got me there. Of course it is possible something that has never happened could happen.

He was trying to say 1999 when Couch, McNabb and Smith were drafted 1, 2, 3. That is VERY VERY RARE. I am willing to bet that it won't happen in next year draft.

[daveakl]

He was trying to say 1999 when Couch, McNabb and Smith were drafted 1, 2, 3. That is VERY VERY RARE. I am willing to bet that it won't happen in next year draft.

And what pick was someone trading up?

[skinsfan07]

and the drama begins... Seriously if we land this kid it will be like... like ... Christmas in April!

Agreed. So pumped! Can't wait for the draft.

[U C S D SkinsFan]

We are not drafting #4...I'll tell you that much...we are definitely going to beat Minnesota and have a chance against Philly. Either way, if we want RG3, we are going to have to trade up and give a lot, which sucks, BUT worth it and necessary. I think we will land Luck or RG3 at all costs...but we will be competing against the Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks and other QB needy teams. They saw what Cam can do and are going to want that superstar QB. It's going to be interesting.

[daveakl]

We are not drafting #4...I'll tell you that much...we are definitely going to beat Minnesota and have a chance against Philly. Either way, if we want RG3, we are going to have to trade up and give a lot, which sucks, BUT worth it and necessary. I think we will land Luck or RG3 at all costs...but we will be competing against the Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks and other QB needy teams. They saw what Cam can do and are going to want that superstar QB. It's going to be interesting.

I'll even give some thought that we win out, trade down again this year, and draft a qb later.

[Rufus T Firefly]

You got me there. Of course it is possible something that has never happened could happen.

I would be extremely confident that something that hasn't happened before will happen this year.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I'll even give some thought that we win out, trade down again this year, and draft a qb later.

That would be a disaster imo.

[fifthorkid88]

Would rather have Barkley over RG3. Barkley has a bigger upside I feel.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Would rather have Barkley over RG3. Barkley has a bigger upside I feel.

I disagree.

I'm a fan of Barkley but I can't think of one thing he does better than RG3.:2cents:

[Kirk Cousins' Cousins]

We are not drafting #4...I'll tell you that much...we are definitely going to beat Minnesota and have a chance against Philly. Either way, if we want RG3, we are going to have to trade up and give a lot, which sucks, BUT worth it and necessary. I think we will land Luck or RG3 at all costs...but we will be competing against the Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks and other QB needy teams. They saw what Cam can do and are going to want that superstar QB. It's going to be interesting.

I don't understand how you can say that we're "definitely" going to beat Minnesota. We're nowhere near good enough to definitely beat anybody this season. With out shoddy OL and Rex's slow play on the field, Jared Allen alone can can win this game with some sacks/fumbles, not to mention AP's still a beast and we can't win against a rookie QB to save our life. No doubt in my mind we can, and likely will, lose this game. Not a big deal to me, though. This season's a waste and we can only improve/solidify our draft pick by losing the rest of the season. Bring on September 2012!

[SkinsHokieFan]

I disagree.

I'm a fan of Barkley but I can't think of one thing he does better than RG3.:2cents:

Yea, I don't see how anyone can objectively state that MB has more upside then RG3.

RG3 is all upside considering the offense he plays in. Luck and MB both play in pro style systems already

[ragintd]

Thread after thread. :)

Here's some reasons that after following the NFL as long as I have, I don't get wound up about "the Magic Wand Draft Pick" like a thousand of you guys who will crash real ugly (and all over the board) if any of them turn out to be true again.

1. Some trade will occur of a nature that makes months of conjecturing, excessive thinking, scheming, emoting, and arguing superfluous.
2. The guy you want will be gone (even when you're sure he'll be there) when the moment actually arrives
3. They don't take the guy you want (even if you're "sure" they should/will) even if he's available.
4. They do take the guy you and a thousand others like you were so sure would be the Magic Wand and he's anything from decent/mediocre to a bust in the NFL game.
5. They take the guy but he doesn't turn out to be the guy you thought he was head-wise and adds a lot of locker-room issues with inconsistent game performance.

I won't mention injury and other things than can keep "the magic wand" from being that in reality, because they can apply to any player. But the top four are ones I have seen so frequently in the NFL over the years (and for the Redskins/ES in particular) regarding top 5 "sure thing" draft picks. So while I take normal interest in such things, and devote a little excitedness to discussion of some, I really don't invest too much and prefer a more "kick back and see what happens" attitude. The board will always still go crazy because people will always confuse the acuity of their analyses, what they personally want and/or think should be, with reality and how the universe really works. :D

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/The-Grinch.jpg

:evilg: :ols: :pfft:

Actually the Skins have done pretty well with top 10 picks during Snyder's era. Just to name a few... Chris Samuals,Sean Taylor, LaVar Arrington (what he might have been if he didn't blow out his knees), Carlos Rodgers (having a break out season, just not with us). Was Champ Bailey a Snyder pick?

The jury is still out on Trent Williams.

LaRon Landry right now is the only real disappointment.

And if you look at just the first round in total, only Rod Gardner was a total bust.

Patrick Ramsey had a up and down career, Jason Cambell falls in the same catagory.

Then you got Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan. Both have shown a lot of promise and upside.

I really don't have much fear in who the Skins take in the first round. Hope it's a QB.

[Rabsuz]

LaRon Landry right now is the only real disappointment.

Laron isn't a bust, he has played lights out, like DPOTY, when he was healthy, with a full offseason he will heal up and continue to be the beast he always was. I don't get why people don't like him here, I love him and have his jersey.

[DavidGQ]

We are not drafting #4...I'll tell you that much...we are definitely going to beat Minnesota and have a chance against Philly. Either way, if we want RG3, we are going to have to trade up and give a lot, which sucks, BUT worth it and necessary. I think we will land Luck or RG3 at all costs...but we will be competing against the Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks and other QB needy teams. They saw what Cam can do and are going to want that superstar QB. It's going to be interesting.

Have you followed the Vikings at all this year other than looking at the W-L each monday? AP is back. Not an easy win at all for us. Philly has Vick back and our team doesn't play well will mobile QB. Miami is the only team that might trade up for a QB. Browns and Seahawks will need to bolster other spots first since their QB is decent.

[LetThePointsSoar]

Wow. Gonna be a lot of sick puppies on this site if the planets don't align themselves in our favor for Griffin the 3rd.

Think of how many sick puppies there will be if RG3 is there when we pick & we PASSED on him??!? Thats how I felt last year somewhat because I had myself convinced Blaine was the guy. Thank GOD Mike & crew were drafting and not a clueless fan like me. We'll get our guy this year, I feel certain of that. What I'm not certain of is if MIKE'S guy is who the majority of us want. Time will tell I guess....

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

I've already resigned myself for the worst case scenario...

Trade down and get more picks... get a high 2nd rounder and draft Kirk Cousins while focusing on the OL, CB and Safety position... wide receiver I think will be handled during FA while developing our own guys.

[Dukes and Skins]

I've already resigned myself for the worst case scenario...

Trade down and get more picks... get a high 2nd rounder and draft Kirk Cousins while focusing on the OL, CB and Safety position... wide receiver I think will be handled during FA while developing our own guys.

Taking Cousins early 2nd would be a reach IMO. He's a 3rd rounder and a solid one at that. If we are taking a QB in the high 2nd it would be Tannehill

[kevinklein]

This is the first time I've been in a love with someone out of college and actually had an opportunity to get them. And at the QB position no less. Hopefully I don't have to experience the heartbreak I've heard so much about...

[hitmandm]

Unless we trade up, it's quite possible that we would be odd man out (assuming we pick in #4 spot) Luck, Barkley, and RG3 will be gone before we get a chance. Other teams know we need a QB and may make some interesting trades to move ahead of us.

That is true. But the Rams and the Vikings want players too. If they trade down below us, and there are no QBs left, who do we take? We take Balckmon or Khalil. The question is, do the Rams and Vikes want to risk not getting their guy? Fear of not getting the player you want later in the draft will cause one or both to stay where they are at.

I dont want RG3. Short skinny athletic QBs dont make it in this league.But I rather have him over nobody. But if the QBs are all gone, Id rather take Khalil at LT and try and trade up from RD2 to take Tannehill. A franchise LT will go a long way, especially if we can move TW over to RT where his pot smoking ways may hurt the team less.

[Dukes and Skins]

That is true. But the Rams and the Vikings want players too. If they trade down below us, and there are no QBs left, who do we take? We take Balckmon or Khalil. The question is, do the Rams and Vikes want to risk not getting their guy? Fear of not getting the player you want later in the draft will cause one or both to stay where they are at.

I dont want RG3. Short skinny athletic QBs dont make it in this league.But I rather have him over nobody. But if the QBs are all gone, Id rather take Khalil at LT and try and trade up from RD2 to take Tannehill. A franchise LT will go a long way, especially if we can move TW over to RT where his pot smoking ways may hurt the team less.

I'd put good money on Kalil going to Minnesota and we take RG3 at #4. Top 5 would look like this
1. Luck
2. Blackmon
3. Kalil
4. RG3
5. Claiborne

[chipwhich]

I'd put good money on Kalil going to Minnesota and we take RG3 at #4. Top 5 would look like this
1. Luck
2. Blackmon
3. Kalil
4. RG3
5. Claiborne

If we stay in the 4th draft position, I will be shocked.

[Dukes and Skins]

If we stay in the 4th draft position, I will be shocked.

I wouldn't be shocked if we stayed there. We could move up but also will depend on what we are hearing from other teams in terms of moving up and moving down

[chipwhich]

I wouldn't be shocked if we stayed there. We could move up but also will depend on what we are hearing from other teams in terms of moving up and moving down

I expect us to move down. We will beat Minny, and possibly 1 of the NFC east games.

[Dukes and Skins]

I expect us to move down. We will beat Minny, and possibly 1 of the NFC east games.

I'm not sure we win another game to be honest. If we do win it would be Minny, but they'll have AP back as well

[SkinsHokieFan]

I'm not sure we win another game to be honest. If we do win it would be Minny, but they'll have AP back as well

Yea, in particular with the state of the o-line right now.

We have to handle JPP, Jared Allen and Philly's d-line (which destroyed us in week 5) over the next 3 weeks

[chipwhich]

I'm not sure we win another game to be honest. If we do win it would be Minny, but they'll have AP back as well

Philly has won 1 more game than us. Giants 3 more games, Minny, 2 less games.

To think we have no chance to win 1 or more is ludicrous. We aren't a good team, but neither are the 3 teams we are playing.

We win one, and possibly 2 games.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Philly has won 1 more game than us. Giants 3 more games, Minny, 2 less games.

To think we have no chance to win 1 or more is ludicrous. We aren't a good team, but neither are the 3 teams we are playing.

We win one, and possibly 2 games.

Matchups. We matched up well against the New England defense playing WRs at DB

We don't against these next 3 defenses. And really don't against the Minny offense if they have AP back, our run D has been pretty average this year

[chipwhich]

Matchups. We matched up well against the New England defense playing WRs at DB

We don't against these next 3 defenses. And really don't against the Minny offense if they have AP back, our run D has been pretty average this year

That's positive thinking. Meanwhile the dream team "matchups" have gotten them 5 wins, the Vikings "matchups" have gotten them 2 wins, and we beat the Giant's "matchups" 1 time.

To think we have no chance against 3 flawed franchises is nonsense.

We are a turnover machine, so are the Eagles. The Vikes qb has won ONE game, and the Giant's are severely flawed...as are we. We could easily go 0-3 or 3-0.

[Prototype]

That's positive thinking. Meanwhile the dream team "matchups" have gotten them 5 wins, the Vikings "matchups" have gotten them 2 wins, and we beat the Giant's "matchups" 1 time.

To think we have no chance against 3 flawed franchises is nonsense.

We are a turnover machine, so are the Eagles. The Vikes qb has won ONE game, and the Giant's are severely flawed...as are we. We could easily go 0-3 or 3-0.

No way we are beating the Giants, in New Jersey, with them having playoff indications. Minny we might beat. Philly no.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

If we stay in the 4th draft position, I will be shocked.

If we're not in informal talks with Indy already about the #1 pick I'll be disappointed.

Hail.

[daveakl]

Taking Cousins early 2nd would be a reach IMO. He's a 3rd rounder and a solid one at that. If we are taking a QB in the high 2nd it would be Tannehill

A very possible outcome.

[street_lyte]

Philly has won 1 more game than us. Giants 3 more games, Minny, 2 less games.

To think we have no chance to win 1 or more is ludicrous. We aren't a good team, but neither are the 3 teams we are playing.

We win one, and possibly 2 games.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Good points in here for sure. Although teams like the Rams and Vikings seem like trade-down candidates simply because they have their franchise QBs, we have to keep a couple things in mind:

1) As mentioned, they need talent even more than most other teams. When you pass on a top-5 pick, you are passing up All-Pro talent for quantity.
2) The new rookie wage scale makes it more likely (in my opinion) that a team with many holes can justify picking OL or WR in the top-5.

Now, the caveat to those two points is simple...the picks they hold MIGHT be even more valuable because of the ceiling on salary. If someone blows them away with picks and one of those picks is a relatively high 1st in this draft, they might be forced to pull the trigger.

It'll be interesting...I just really hope we end up in a position to grab a franchise QB.

[capt1an chaos]

I disagree.

I'm a fan of Barkley but I can't think of one thing he does better than RG3.:2cents:

Matt Barkley 2011- 308/446 for 3528yds 69.1 comp % 7.91 yds per pass 82 lng 39 td's 7 int's 8 sacks 161.2 rating

Robert Griffin III 2011 267/369 3998 72.4 10.84 87 36 6 23 192.2

RGIII gets sacked alot more? :silly:

---------- Post added December-17th-2011 at 09:25 AM ----------

Baylor's schedule

2011 SCHEDULE

Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

09/02/11 vs. TCU Waco, Texas W, 50-48
09/17/11 vs. Stephen F. Austin Waco, Texas W, 48-0
09/24/11 vs. Rice (PW) Waco, Texas W, 56-31
10/01/11 at Kansas State * Manhattan, Kan. L, 36-35
10/08/11 vs. Iowa State * Waco, Texas W, 49-26
10/15/11 at Texas A&M * Coll. Station, Texas L, 55-28
10/29/11 at Oklahoma State * Stillwater, Okla. L, 59-24
11/05/11 vs. Missouri (Homecoming) * Waco, Texas W, 42-39
11/12/11 at Kansas * Lawrence, Kan. W, 31-30 (OT)
11/19/11 vs. Oklahoma * Waco, Texas W, 45-38
11/26/11 vs. Texas Tech Arlington, Texas W, 66-42
12/03/11 vs. Texas * Waco, Texas W, 48-24


USC's schedule

Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

09/03/11 vs. Minnesota L.A. Coliseum W, 19-17
09/10/11 vs. Utah * L.A. Coliseum W, 23-14
09/17/11 vs. Syracuse L.A. Coliseum W, 38-17
09/24/11 at Arizona State * Tempe, Ariz. L, 43-22
10/01/11 vs. Arizona * L.A. Coliseum W, 48-41
10/13/11 at California * San Francisco, Calif. W, 30-9
10/22/11 at Notre Dame South Bend, Ind. W, 31-17
10/29/11 vs. Stanford * L.A. Coliseum L, 56-48
11/04/11 at Colorado * Boulder, Colo. W, 42-17
11/12/11 vs. Washington * L.A. Coliseum W, 40-17
11/19/11 at Oregon * Eugene, Ore. W, 38-35
11/26/11 vs. UCLA * L.A. Coliseum W, 50-0

---------- Post added December-17th-2011 at 09:27 AM ----------

Which QB has faced tougher defenses this season?

[DavidGQ]

I'd put good money on Kalil going to Minnesota and we take RG3 at #4. Top 5 would look like this
1. Luck
2. Blackmon
3. Kalil
4. RG3
5. Claiborne

This is what I wrote down in another thread. Mostly scenario of all the draft positions stay true in 3 weeks.


Philly has won 1 more game than us. Giants 3 more games, Minny, 2 less games.

To think we have no chance to win 1 or more is ludicrous. We aren't a good team, but neither are the 3 teams we are playing.

We win one, and possibly 2 games.

Once again, you are looking at W-L record. Have you watched the Vikes play recently? I could have won a few more games. AP was out last 2 games and they still could have won if not the collapse in final minutes. Vick is back also and that will be a problem for our D. Don't look at their record either. Look at how the teams played recently. Young was their Qb for a while and he suck. So for us to beat the Eagles, Young needs to be their QB. Forget about the Giants, they will beat us for sure since there's more on the line for them then us. We are losing players every week. 1-2 is the best we can do.


If we're not in informal talks with Indy already about the #1 pick I'll be disappointed.

Hail.

No trade will be discussed until after the Combine. Between Combine and draft is where teams discussing trades. Even informal one.


Good points in here for sure. Although teams like the Rams and Vikings seem like trade-down candidates simply because they have their franchise QBs, we have to keep a couple things in mind:

1) As mentioned, they need talent even more than most other teams. When you pass on a top-5 pick, you are passing up All-Pro talent for quantity.
2) The new rookie wage scale makes it more likely (in my opinion) that a team with many holes can justify picking OL or WR in the top-5.

Now, the caveat to those two points is simple...the picks they hold MIGHT be even more valuable because of the ceiling on salary. If someone blows them away with picks and one of those picks is a relatively high 1st in this draft, they might be forced to pull the trigger.

It'll be interesting...I just really hope we end up in a position to grab a franchise QB.

Rams biggest need is WR. Why would they trade down when they could draft Blackmon? I don't see that until another team willing to give them the farm like Falcons did. There's a big drop off for WR after the first 2 like last year. Chance of Rams move down are slim.
Vikes need a LT badly to protect Ponder. Kalil is perfect for them. They need WR also so if Rams draft Kalil, they will draft Blackmon.

If you are in a top 5 and your biggest need is there, you shouldn't trade down.

[Dro89]

Unless we trade up, it's quite possible that we would be odd man out (assuming we pick in #4 spot) Luck, Barkley, and RG3 will be gone before we get a chance. Other teams know we need a QB and may make some interesting trades to move ahead of us.

so your banking on the rams and vikings passing on their top 5 players? Rams with Blackmon/Kalil or Vikes with Blackmon/Kalil.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

so your banking on the rams and vikings passing on their top 5 players? Rams with Blackmon/Kalil or Vikes with Blackmon/Kalil.

If Indy, St Louis and Minnesota make it clear they aren't taking Luck or RGIII, the fight to trade up to those spots will be fierce from everyone else around us.

Hail.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Rams biggest need is WR. Why would they trade down when they could draft Blackmon? I don't see that until another team willing to give them the farm like Falcons did. There's a big drop off for WR after the first 2 like last year. Chance of Rams move down are slim.
Vikes need a LT badly to protect Ponder. Kalil is perfect for them. They need WR also so if Rams draft Kalil, they will draft Blackmon.

If you are in a top 5 and your biggest need is there, you shouldn't trade down.

Nonsense. If Griffin and Barkley are as coveted as most suspect, then each of those teams can extract a high price for trading down, especially with the rookie wage scale likely making trading down easier and more lucrative. To assume those teams wouldn't want to load up on picks and fill multiple needs is foolish.

Further, the drop-off isn't as dramatic as people suggest from Blackmon to Floyd/Jeffrey or from Kalil to Martin/Reiff, assuming that is where those teams want to go with their picks (in the case of St. Louis in particular, I'm not al all convinced it is).

[DavidGQ]

Nonsense. If Griffin and Barkley are as coveted as most suspect, then each of those teams can extract a high price for trading down, especially with the rookie wage scale likely making trading down easier and more lucrative. To assume those teams wouldn't want to load up on picks and fill multiple needs is foolish.

Further, the drop-off isn't as dramatic as people suggest from Blackmon to Floyd/Jeffrey or from Kalil to Martin/Reiff, assuming that is where those teams want to go with their picks (in the case of St. Louis in particular, I'm not al all convinced it is).

If the draft order stays the same and both Barkley and RG3 declare, I am willing to bet with anyone that we will land one of them. I don't see Rams and Vikes trade down. Maybe one, not both. That just doesn't happen often. The price to move up to #2 or #3 won't be cheap either. So, any taker on the bet?

[Rufus T Firefly]

If the draft order stays the same and both Barkley and RG3 declare, I am willing to bet with anyone that we will land one of them. I don't see Rams and Vikes trade down. Maybe one, not both. That just doesn't happen often. The price to move up to #2 or #3 won't be cheap either. So, any taker on the bet?

So, it'll cost a lot to trade up to 2 or 3, yet the Vikes or Rams definitely wouldn't do it? :rolleyes:

[DavidGQ]

So, it'll cost a lot to trade up to 2 or 3, yet the Vikes or Rams definitely wouldn't do it? :rolleyes:

Ummm...so other teams are willing to trade up? You know this for a fact? Once again, 2 of top 3 teams trading down? Really? So we have a bet then since you're so sure of it?

[Rufus T Firefly]

Ummm...so other teams are willing to trade up? You know this for a fact? Once again, 2 of top 3 teams trading down? Really? So we have a bet then since you're so sure of it?

You're just talking in circles. Have a nice day.

[DavidGQ]

You're just talking in circles. Have a nice day.

I said if the draft order stays where it is and both Barkley and RG3 declare, we WILL land one of them. You said we won't since other teams will trade up. How's that for a circle?

I said I am willing to put the money where my mouth is. If you doubt what I said, then do the same. Talk is cheap.

[skinzplay]

Since his parents are actively involved in the agent search, fortunately that rules out Rosenhaus as a possibility.

[Rufus T Firefly]

I said if the draft order stays where it is and both Barkley and RG3 declare, we WILL land one of them. You said we won't since other teams will trade up. How's that for a circle?

I said I am willing to put the money where my mouth is. If you doubt what I said, then do the same. Talk is cheap.

Maybe you should spend the money you're so anxious to bet on a reading comprehension class. Or one on basic logic. Or else one entitled "Why no one but me is dumb enough to bet money with random internet dudes".

Either way, Godspeed to you.

[DavidGQ]

Maybe you should spend the money you're so anxious to bet on a reading comprehension class. Or one on basic logic. Or else one entitled "Why no one but me is dumb enough to bet money with random internet dudes".

Either way, Godspeed to you.

LOL every year I see posters get freak out in here because they think other teams will trade up before us and draft the player we want. Every year especially next year draft since we need a QB badly. After Combine this place will go nuts.

My "basic" logic tells me both Rams and Vikings won't trade down. No need for class on that. I do need to enroll on "freaking" out class or "paranoid" class though. Any recommendations since you are the expert at both?

Now calling someone else dumb because you disagree with them, isn't that for Preschool stuffs? :)

[Jumbo]

Take it to PM if you must, gentlemen. It's now become boring for the rest of us and you both do want to be able to continue posting I assume. :)

[Rufus T Firefly]

Take it to PM if you must, gentlemen. It's now become boring for the rest of us and you both do want to be able to continue posting I assume. :)

I was done with it, with the straw men and the betting money version of the internet tough guy routine, so was going to leave it completely. But I stupidly went back for one too many responses. My bad.

[DWil]

I've already resigned myself for the worst case scenario...

Trade down and get more picks... get a high 2nd rounder and draft Kirk Cousins while focusing on the OL, CB and Safety position... wide receiver I think will be handled during FA while developing our own guys.

That win against Seattle might come back to bite us in the ass. In any event, we are projected a Top 5 pick if we lose out. It would be REALLY interesting if let's say Cleveland wanted our #4 or #5 overall for the rights to Griffin III or Barkley. We could recoup their two 1st Rounders and add best available WR and OL in the First Round.

I wouldn't neccessarily be "opposed" to this scenario because we could theoretically add 3 offensive starters within two rounds by drafting Tannenhill in the 2nd. Tannenhill I believe will be a fine NFL starter after adjusting to the pro game and would thrive under adament coaching.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Since his parents are actively involved in the agent search, fortunately that rules out Rosenhaus as a possibility.

Actually, I wouldn't mind dealing with Rosenhaus.

Snyder and Allen both have good relationships with him.

[daveakl]

That win against Seattle might come back to bite us in the ass. In any event, we are projected a Top 5 pick if we lose out. It would be REALLY interesting if let's say Cleveland wanted our #4 or #5 overall for the rights to Griffin III or Barkley. We could recoup their two 1st Rounders and add best available WR and OL in the First Round.

I wouldn't neccessarily be "opposed" to this scenario because we could theoretically add 3 offensive starters within two rounds by drafting Tannenhill in the 2nd. Tannenhill I believe will be a fine NFL starter after adjusting to the pro game and would thrive under adament coaching.

Interesting "theory"

[Califan007]

If Indy, St Louis and Minnesota make it clear they aren't taking Luck or RGIII, the fight to trade up to those spots will be fierce from everyone else around us.

Hail.

If Indy, St. Louis and Minnesota make it clear they aren't taking Luck or RGIII, the fight will be for the #4 spot, not for one of the top 3 spots. No need to trade up higher than is necessary.

[SWFLSkins]

They only needed to make one call.......http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa148/Kickers_albums/show-me-the-money.jpg

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

If Indy, St. Louis and Minnesota make it clear they aren't taking Luck or RGIII, the fight will be for the #4 spot, not for one of the top 3 spots. No need to trade up higher than is necessary.

You really think a team set on Luck or Griffin would leave anything to chance if they had a chance to guarantee either higher than 4?

Hail.

[SWFLSkins]

You really think a team set on Luck or Griffin would leave anything to chance if they had a chance to guarantee either higher than 4?

Hail.

Totally right, and some team would leap frog at any cost if they really want one of them. That might include the Redskins.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Totally right, and some team would leap frog at any cost if they really want one of them. That might include the Redskins.

When it comes to A. Luck Esq. I hope and pray we do.

Hail.

[Califan007]

You really think a team set on Luck or Griffin would leave anything to chance if they had a chance to guarantee either higher than 4?

Hail.

The flaw in the logic is assuming that just because the Vikings or Rams don't want a QB with their pick it means they don't want anyone else with that pick. If teams in the top 3 trade down to, say, #10, they may miss out on both the top QBs AND their guy.

If that's the case it makes more sense to trade down with a team sitting at around #4 or #5, wouldn't it? lol :D

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

It's not so much a flawed route as another very possible route. Indy need to get their rebuild up and running. If they do indeed stick with Peyton, then I'll be shocked if Polian doesn't take all he can for the top pick. And if Lucks in play, he'll have MORE than his share of offers. Regardless of what the Rams and Vikings may or not do; Indianapolis is looking more and more likely to turn it into a bidding war. And if a teams desperate enough for Luck, you can bet your sweet ass they'll be desperate enough to test the other two's resolve over Griffin.

This year is a very special year, and #4 is a VERY precarious place to be sat with what we need and those coming out that make this a very special year.

That utterly meaningless, outside of pride, victory in Seattle a few weeks back has made this draft more than likely all the costlier in terms of what we're gona' have to give up.

Hail.

[Jeeb]

No way we are beating the Giants, in New Jersey, with them having playoff indications. Minny we might beat. Philly no.

Well they were completely curbstomped in a similar situation with a terrible Carolina Panthers team last season..or it might have been the season before. Either way, it has happened

edit: it was 2009 and the Panthers were not as bad as i previously thought, still weren't a very good team though.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

That utterly meaningless, outside of pride, victory in Seattle a few weeks back has made this draft more than likely all the costlier in terms of what we're gona' have to give up.

Whys that game be so costly at the moment ?

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Whys that game be so costly at the moment ?

Rhetorical I presume, because your far smarter than to ask that without knowing.

Hail.

[kevinklein]

It's not so much a flawed route as another very possible route. Indy need to get their rebuild up and running. If they do indeed stick with Peyton, then I'll be shocked if Polian doesn't take all he can for the top pick. And if Lucks in play, he'll have MORE than his share of offers. Regardless of what the Rams and Vikings may or not do; Indianapolis is looking more and more likely to turn it into a bidding war. And if a teams desperate enough for Luck, you can bet your sweet ass they'll be desperate enough to test the other two's resolve over Griffin.

This year is a very special year, and #4 is a VERY precarious place to be sat with what we need and those coming out that make this a very special year.

That utterly meaningless, outside of pride, victory in Seattle a few weeks back has made this draft more than likely all the costlier in terms of what we're gona' have to give up.

Hail.

I've never been so sickened by a win. It makes these final 3 games MUST LOSE. Woulda been nice to have a spare 'W' in our pocket.

Boy, that sentence is assbackwards from my usual sentiments.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Rhetorical I presume, because your far smarter than to ask that without knowing.

Hail.

I think it'll be costly IF we win again.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I've never been so sickened by a win. It makes these final 3 games MUST LOSE. Woulda been nice to have a spare 'W' in our pocket.

Boy, that sentence is assbackwards from my usual sentiments.

Hey man, when you've been waiting as long as we have, DON'T feel guilty about saying that.

Hail.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Does anyone object to us just downing the ball the next 3 weeks on every snap? :ols:

[IS guhn RAIN]

I think it'll be costly IF we win again.

I agree, if we win again that W against seattle is going to cost us big time.

And why does everyone think were going to lose to minnesota?? What has minnesota done to prove they will beat us?

[ixcuincle]

Joe Webb is a Minnesota star in the making

A loss to Minnesota is possible

[RFKFedEx]

Unless we play dead for Minn at Fedex next week, we haven't a prayer of getting this guy w/ our pick.

[El-Rey]

I feel like we're all in the South Park episode where they want to lose baseball games so they don't have to play anymore. I also share the bad feeling that we're gonna win 1/3, probably against the Vikings. The problem is, Rex has a reasonably high ceiling when he is Good Rex (last week), so we just have to hope Bad Rex makes a resurgence. Good to know that Adrian Peterson will be back for the Vikes, and also that Vick has returned to the Eagles. I hate rooting against the team because, honestly, any loss is bad for morale, but these losses are absolutely necessary. I like Barkley's odds of coming out now that Kalil is leaving, and if we get that #4 pick we are in excellent position for Barkley or Griff. If we do end up dropping in the draft (worst I can imagine is to 9 or 10), then I am all for trading whatever we need to get that QB.

[Dukes and Skins]

Joe Webb is a Minnesota star in the making

A loss to Minnesota is possible

Ponder is going to start that game

[Rufus T Firefly]

I feel like we're all in the South Park episode where they want to lose baseball games so they don't have to play anymore. I also share the bad feeling that we're gonna win 1/3, probably against the Vikings. The problem is, Rex has a reasonably high ceiling when he is Good Rex (last week), so we just have to hope Bad Rex makes a resurgence. Good to know that Adrian Peterson will be back for the Vikes, and also that Vick has returned to the Eagles. I hate rooting against the team because, honestly, any loss is bad for morale, but these losses are absolutely necessary. I like Barkley's odds of coming out now that Kalil is leaving, and if we get that #4 pick we are in excellent position for Barkley or Griff. If we do end up dropping in the draft (worst I can imagine is to 9 or 10), then I am all for trading whatever we need to get that QB.

If I was in the Front Office, I would seriously be talking to Shanahan about it being time to give Jonathan Crompton a couple of starts. Not joking.

[HailGreen28]

Unless we play dead for Minn at Fedex next week, we haven't a prayer of getting this guy w/ our pick.The Skins have enough ammo to reasonably trade up for anybody but Luck. Shanny will get a guy he wants.

[Dukes and Skins]

The Skins have enough ammo to reasonably trade up for anybody but Luck. Shanny will get a guy he wants.

This is what also is getting lost I feel like. IF we want a guy we have the ammo to get him. That then will allow us to maneuver around the middle rounds like we have before to add more picks

[El-Rey]

If I was in the Front Office, I would seriously be talking to Shanahan about it being time to give Jonathan Crompton a couple of starts. Not joking.

Agreed, or putting Beck in would probably suffice.

[HailGreen28]

Agreed, or putting Beck in would probably suffice.Beck would be a blatant "tanking" move by Shanny, especially given the team's support for Rex. Now if Rex stinks up like he did last time against Philly, I hope they try Crompton.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Beck would be a blatant "tanking" move by Shanny, especially given the team's support for Rex. Now if Rex stinks up like he did last time against Philly, I hope they try Crompton.

By all accounts Crompton's been making making Beck look all-pro on the practice field since he's been here, so I don't think we could swing that one.

Hail.

[Rufus T Firefly]

By all accounts Crompton's been making making Beck look all-pro on the practice field since he's been here, so I don't think we could swing that one.

Hail.

If he really is that bad, then I have to question why he's been on the PS all year.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Beck would be a blatant "tanking" move by Shanny, especially given the team's support for Rex. Now if Rex stinks up like he did last time against Philly, I hope they try Crompton.

Yeah, at least Crompton could be inserted under the guise of evaluating a youngster.

[kevinklein]

Play like crap for Crompton!

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

If he really is that bad, then I have to question why he's been on the PS all year.

Heard a few accounts of guys that follow the team closely on a daily/ weekly basis saying he's utterly terrible. Save for him being a body, by all accounts it's a mystery to those guys he's been kept hanging around.

Hail.

*Edit* That said, I'd be 100% behind him starting the last three games. :evilg:

[Rufus T Firefly]

Heard a few accounts of guys that follow the team closely on a daily/ weekly basis saying he's utterly terrible. Save for him being a body, by all accounts it's a mystery to those guys he's been kept hanging around.

Hail.

I'm not sure what use even 'being a body' is if it's one you can never use, you know?

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I'm not sure what use even 'being a body' is if it's one you can never use, you know?

I hear ya' man, and I'm as perplexed as you going off the beat guys who've seen him out there at the Park. Just relaying what I've heard a few guys say.

Maybe there's been little else out there to warrant a 'project' on the PS, shrugs; so we've stuck with him just because.

Hail.

[Rufus T Firefly]

I hear ya' man, and I'm as perplexed as you going off the beat guys who've seen him out there at the Park. Just relaying what I've heard a few guys say.

Maybe there's been little else out there to warrant a 'project' on the PS, shrugs; so we've stuck with him just because.

Hail.

Probably not worth this much discussion..... But even if the regular QBs get hurt, you would think they would just sign someone to play the next week anyway, so... a complete waste.

I'd still start him the last 2 games though. :evilg:

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I'd still start him the last 2 games though. :evilg:

3 ..... just to totally protect our interests. ;)

Hail.

[Forever21]

The board will always still go crazy because people will always confuse the acuity of their analyses, what they personally want and/or think should be, with reality and how the universe really works.

This line pretty much send me in to a fit of laughter and clapping.

RGIII couldn't be further from a sure thing. And neither could Barkley or Jones or any of the other QB's that will go behind Luck.

But I think we will draft a QB in the top 5. And I think that whomever it may be has a good chance of succeeding and being our franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. I don't know which one I like more. It's so easy to begin picking apart all of their games. I trust our FO and the Shanahan's to make the right call and hopefully not just sit back but be aggressive in going after the guy they grade best for this team.

[Hitman#21]

That's why i will be thrilled if the Skins win tomorrow. They can always trade up!

[Rufus T Firefly]

3 ..... just to totally protect our interests. ;)

Hail.

I just don't see any way we beat NY anyway. And it's obviously too late to convince Shanny to change starters for this week.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Unless we trade up, it's quite possible that we would be odd man out (assuming we pick in #4 spot) Luck, Barkley, and RG3 will be gone before we get a chance. Other teams know we need a QB and may make some interesting trades to move ahead of us.

No. If we want someone i.e. RGIII, we have the draft ammo to go get him and we're close to the top of the board...for now. Advantage Skins unless Cleveland gets in the mix but they'd be stupid to draft a QB in the first round. Stupid. They need so much help on O and not at the QB spot IMO...at least not with their 1st round picks next year.

[Califan007]

It's not so much a flawed route as another very possible route.
I didn't say the route was flawed, I said the logic behind it was flawed.

- As mentioned before, it means that if the teams picking in the top 3 don't want any of the QBs that means they feel they don't need to stay where they are and will be willing to drop down, and drop down significantly (5-7 spots).

- It also means that every front office in the NFL has their draft boards exactly the same when it comes to the top three spots...that NONE of them think RG or Barkley are not among the top 3 talents coming out in the draft. It means believing that none of the teams drafting in the top 3 spots have other players ranked higher than those two QBs.

- It also means that it's quite common for teams with a top 3 draft pick to trade down. So common that all three teams in the top 3 might end up trading down...as well as meaning that all three would trade down with teams other than the Redskins.

- Lastly, it means that the whole "You need as high a draft pick as possible" mantra is garbage, as the teams WITH the highest draft picks as possible are all suddenly more than willing to part with them.


Indy need to get their rebuild up and running. If they do indeed stick with Peyton, then I'll be shocked if Polian doesn't take all he can for the top pick.
As we've seen with damn near every team that needs to rebuild, they almost never trade away a chance of drafting in the top 3-5. How many rebuilding teams do you know that give up a top 5 draft spot, nonetheless a top 3 draft pick? How many times have the Lions or Rams traded down from the top 3 or top 5 during their rebuilds?



And if Lucks in play, he'll have MORE than his share of offers. Regardless of what the Rams and Vikings may or not do; Indianapolis is looking more and more likely to turn it into a bidding war. And if a teams desperate enough for Luck, you can bet your sweet ass they'll be desperate enough to test the other two's resolve over Griffin.
Every year teams test the waters for trade up/down scenarios. That's not some alarming, once-a-decade thing that's gonna happen this upcoming draft lol...yet we have posters on here who are abso-stinking-lutely, undeniably convinced that picking at the #4 spot means the Skins don't have any chance whatsoever for drafting a QB. That's nonsense.

And even IF any of the teams picking in the top 3 spots did want to trade down, they would be FAR more willing to trade down with a team picking #4 or #5...so (yet again), it's absolute nonsense for anyone to claim the Skins picking at #4 are suddenly left out in the cold when it comes to being able to draft one of the top QBs...if anything, your earlier scenario paints a team picking at #4 as having the BEST chance of trading up to get their QB. When Casserly traded with Ditka, we only ended up trading down 2 spots, making it far more likely that we could still get our man (Bailey). If Ditka's 1st round pick was at #15 instead, I doubt Casserly makes that trade, as the GMs picking before him passed on it as well. Indy, Minny and St. Louis are NOT gonna pass on the chance to get "their guy"...and with a top 3 pick all but guaranteed for those teams they already have a guy targeted that they have no problem using that pick on. If any of them trade down, it's gonna be with the belief that the trade down allows them to still get their guy.



That utterly meaningless, outside of pride, victory in Seattle a few weeks back has made this draft more than likely all the costlier in terms of what we're gona' have to give up.

Hail.
Why is it the Seattle win that gets singed out? Why not the first Giants win, or the Rams win or the Cardinals win? Each of those wins played the same role in the overly-dire scenario you and others keep painting...wasn't the Giants or Rams win just as "utterly meaningless"? Aren't those wins little more than "feel good" wins now? Either every win holds value, or none of them do.

[thecardiacrll]

I didn't say the route was flawed, I said the logic behind it was flawed.

- As mentioned before, it means that if the teams picking in the top 3 don't want any of the QBs that means they feel they don't need to stay where they are and will be willing to drop down, and drop down significantly (5-7 spots).

- It also means that every front office in the NFL has their draft boards exactly the same when it comes to the top three spots...that NONE of them think RG or Barkley are not among the top 3 talents coming out in the draft. It means believing that none of the teams drafting in the top 3 spots have other players ranked higher than those two QBs.

- It also means that it's quite common for teams with a top 3 draft pick to trade down. So common that all three teams in the top 3 might end up trading down...as well as meaning that all three would trade down with teams other than the Redskins.

- Lastly, it means that the whole "You need as high a draft pick as possible" mantra is garbage, as the teams WITH the highest draft picks as possible are all suddenly more than willing to part with them.


As we've seen with damn near every team that needs to rebuild, they almost never trade away a chance of drafting in the top 3-5. How many rebuilding teams do you know that give up a top 5 draft spot, nonetheless a top 3 draft pick? How many times have the Lions or Rams traded down from the top 3 or top 5 during their rebuilds?



Every year teams test the waters for trade up/down scenarios. That's not some alarming, once-a-decade thing that's gonna happen this upcoming draft lol...yet we have posters on here who are abso-stinking-lutely, undeniably convinced that picking at the #4 spot means the Skins don't have any chance whatsoever for drafting a QB. That's nonsense.

And even IF any of the teams picking in the top 3 spots did want to trade down, they would be FAR more willing to trade down with a team picking #4 or #5...so (yet again), it's absolute nonsense for anyone to claim the Skins picking at #4 are suddenly left out in the cold when it comes to being able to draft one of the top QBs...if anything, your earlier scenario paints a team picking at #4 as having the BEST chance of trading up to get their QB. When Casserly traded with Ditka, we only ended up trading down 2 spots, making it far more likely that we could still get our man (Bailey). If Ditka's 1st round pick was at #15 instead, I doubt Casserly makes that trade, as the GMs picking before him passed on it as well. Indy, Minny and St. Louis are NOT gonna pass on the chance to get "their guy"...and with a top 3 pick all but guaranteed for those teams they already have a guy targeted that they have no problem using that pick on. If any of them trade down, it's gonna be with the belief that the trade down allows them to still get their guy.



Why is it the Seattle win that gets singed out? Why not the first Giants win, or the Rams win or the Cardinals win? Each of those wins played the same role in the overly-dire scenario you and others keep painting...wasn't the Giants or Rams win just as "utterly meaningless"? Aren't those wins little more than "feel good" wins now? Either every win holds value, or none of them do. Califan007 Ilove reading your thoughtson draft trades. My question to you is will things be different because of the rookie pay scale. I agree in the past nobody traded to go in the top 3 I always thought it was because of money because your not just gonna trade a slew of picks away but your gonna have to sign the player to a huge contract. Do you think this year things could change because of the pay scale? In my opinion if this was last year we would be gauranteed RG3 at the 4 spot. This year with all the unknown about trading with this new pay scale I'm worried.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Oh Cali. Why you feel the need to continue to debate every opposing post to you to the death is beyond me.

I'll refrain from boring folk in a round of 'he said/ she said' as it's repetitive and been done to death on here. I counter your above post with the opposing view for trading up and needing the higher draft pick; you counter with more of the same for doing the complete opposite. It gets monotonous and utterly boring. I'll take the last paragraph on the why's and wherefores of a dead game, in every aspect to all intents and purposes; as opposed to earlier wins when the season was alive as you just being pernickety (no S) and obtuse just because; as I know full well your WAY smarter than that.

Hail.

[darrell1106]

Laron isn't a bust, he has played lights out, like DPOTY, when he was healthy, with a full offseason he will heal up and continue to be the beast he always was. I don't get why people don't like him here, I love him and have his jersey.
Huh??? I have Jason Campbell's jersey and he's still average at best. Sorry but LL is a disappointment. Gotta stay healthy (period).

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Huh??? I have Jason Campbell's jersey and he's still average at best. Sorry but LL is a disappointment. Gotta stay healthy (period).

And next year will be the same again.

He has achiles surgery, although not a full tear, he'll miss OTA's and more importantly camp. Even if it doesn't carry over into the first month or so of the season (it probably will as your looking at a year or so to recover from that surgery); he's not gona' be in football shape and playing catch-up again. With not holding him back and sorting it out this year, we've set ourselves back two years with Landry.

It might well be time to cut ties.

Hail.

[skinsfan07]

If we lose out, we WILL take RGIII at #4 and that's basically all it boils down too. None of these dumb "well what if another team trades up to #1,2 or 3 scenarios will happen. Because every team picking in the top three NEEDS a player that they won't be able to get if they drop down.

1) Colts - Luck
2) Vikes - Kahlil (sp)
3) Rams - Blackmon
4) Skins - RGIII

That's how it's gonna play out if the season ends with those 3 teams being ahead of us. I'm not 100% sure, but it's a damn near guarantee.

[darrell1106]

And next year will be the same again.

He has achiles surgery, although not a full tear, he'll miss OTA's and more importantly camp. Even if it doesn't carry over into the first month or so of the season (it probably will as your looking at a year or so to recover from that surgery); he's not gona' be in football shape and playing catch-up again. With not holding him back and sorting it out this year, we've set ourselves back two years with Landry.

It might well be time to cut ties.

Hail.
No argument here. Both Lavar and LL will be those "I wonder if..." scenarios. Although I think LL has a lot more left in the tank so his story is probably a few seasons away from being finished.

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If we lose out, we WILL take RGIII at #4 and that's basically all it boils down too. None of these dumb "well what if another team trades up to #1,2 or 3 scenarios will happen. Because every team picking in the top three NEEDS a player that they won't be able to get if they drop down.

1) Colts - Luck
2) Vikes - Kahlil (sp)
3) Rams - Blackmon
4) Skins - RGIII

That's how it's gonna play out if the season ends with those 3 teams being ahead of us. I'm not 100% sure, but it's a damn near guarantee.
I hope you're right but you seriously think the Vikes like Ponder so much not to think about Barkley or RGIII? The Rams and Bradford are probably gonna stay together especially if Spags is out as all is expected (and probably headed back to Phili).

I truly think the Vikes are the wild card.

If we happen to win these last few games of which something tells me we will then all bets are off. Trading up to the top 4 spots takes waaay too many draft picks and huge balls. Thankfully our coach, like it or not, has both of 'em so time will tell!![COLOR="Gold"]

[thomasroane]

Someone posted a few clips of him earlier this year and there wasn't much passing. So I thought he was just another running qb. But after seeing more this kid can really play the game! He's a passer who can run. The boot series would be on steroids. And the kid is 'super smart.'. Sadly we are gonna have to lose out. The vikes game scares me. One more win could drop us out of the top ten. But if The Shanny's really believe In him then trade the draft to get him. And for those of you who don't get it I'm sick and tired of looking for a starting QB since 1992!!! Its possible to find a player in all other positions in free agency. It's pretty rare to find a qb tho. Brees being the rare exception.

[darrell1106]

Someone posted a few clips of him earlier this year and there wasn't much passing. So I thought he was just another running qb. But after seeing more this kid can really play the game! He's a passer who can run. The boot series would be on steroids. And the kid is 'super smart.'. Sadly we are gonna have to lose out. The vikes game scares me. One more win could drop us out of the top ten. But if The Shanny's really believe him then trade the draft to get him. And for those of you who don't get it I'm sick and tired of looking for a starting QB since 1992!!! Its possible to find a player in all other positions in free agency. It's pretty rare to find a qb tho. Brees being the rare exception.

I think Shaub is just below Brees and company. Plummer was also decent.

[bhi4582]

We better lose today. Sure we can trade up but I don't want to sacrifice a high second rounder to win a meaningless game in December.

[DWil]

It's not so much a flawed route as another very possible route. Indy need to get their rebuild up and running. If they do indeed stick with Peyton, then I'll be shocked if Polian doesn't take all he can for the top pick. And if Lucks in play, he'll have MORE than his share of offers. Regardless of what the Rams and Vikings may or not do; Indianapolis is looking more and more likely to turn it into a bidding war. And if a teams desperate enough for Luck, you can bet your sweet ass they'll be desperate enough to test the other two's resolve over Griffin.

This year is a very special year, and #4 is a VERY precarious place to be sat with what we need and those coming out that make this a very special year.

That utterly meaningless, outside of pride, victory in Seattle a few weeks back has made this draft more than likely all the costlier in terms of what we're gona' have to give up.

Hail.

As awesome as the 4th pick would be, it's possible to be leap frogged twice and have Griffin III and Barkley off the board after Luck. I can tell you right now that would be a SICKENING feeling at #4 overall and the Big Three gone (what the hell do we do now?!?!?!)

We've been chasing after Mark Rypien's replacement for 20 years !! We need to do whatever it takes to land Luck, Griffin III or Barkley because all three will be special in their own way. If we need to lose out then do it (that win against Seattle was absolutely meaningless despite what anybody else says.....there is nothing exciting about defeating a mediocre team with a 30 year old reject behind center !)

When Luck is selected #1 overall, if a team moves up to #2 for Griffin III, we need to do whatever it takes to get Barkley........get it done!

If Barkley doesn't declare for whatever reason; we need to move up to #2 overall.....get it done and secure Griffin III !!

If we mess around and win another game sending us to the bottom of the Top 10, move up and secure anyone of the Top 3.....GET IT DONE!!

[chipwhich]

No way we are beating the Giants, in New Jersey, with them having playoff indications. Minny we might beat. Philly no.

Thank god we can put this nonsense away.

Everyone thinking we couldn't beat a flawed Giants team, the awful Vikings, and the turnover machine Eagles was kidding themselves. fourth smourth in the draft. I want to develop a winning mentality. Today was a good day.

[bowhunter]

Ok, the die is cast. Who's the 4th or 5th best QB in this years draft. Time to start looking

[DavidGQ]

Ok, the die is cast. Who's the 4th or 5th best QB in this years draft. Time to start looking

If other teams can trade up, why can't we?

2 more weeks to go and the NFL is very unpredictable. A lot of teams won today that they shouldn't, right?

[bowhunter]

If other teams can trade up, why can't we?

2 more weeks to go and the NFL is very unpredictable. A lot of teams won today that they shouldn't, right?

Oh we can most certainly trade up, but at what cost?? "Mortgaging the Future" is an oft used term here on ES. Do we have to trade away our "future" in means of draft picks in order to obtain the QB of the "future?" That question didn't need to exist 2 wins ago. Now it looks like we'll be picking between #6-10 (my guess) but possibly even later if we beat Minny. That leaves us in draft limbo. I love the fact that we looked impressive today, making great strides as a team. But today, I'd much rather have taken a hard fought loss

[bowhunter]

If other teams can trade up, why can't we?

2 more weeks to go and the NFL is very unpredictable. A lot of teams won today that they shouldn't, right?

Oh we can most certainly trade up, but at what cost?? "Mortgaging the Future" is an oft used term here on ES. Do we have to trade away our "future" in means of draft picks in order to obtain the QB of the "future?" That question didn't need to exist 2 wins ago. Now it looks like we'll be picking between #6-10 (my guess) but possibly even later if we beat Minny. That leaves us in draft limbo. I love the fact that we looked impressive today, making great strides as a team. But today, I'd much rather have taken a hard fought loss

[daveakl]

Here is what I do not get.

People are worried about other teams moving up to the (insert pick here) ahead of us. They say that the teams ahead of us will trade down because of the bounty of picks they will be able to command for the ability to draft (insert QB here).

Then they say that the Redskins should not move up to the (insert pick here) to draft (insert QB here) because they will be "mortgaging the future" and "giving up too much".

So why would people think other teams will do the thing that they think the Redskins would be stupid for doing?

[DavidGQ]

Here is what I do not get.

People are worried about other teams moving up to the (insert pick here) ahead of us. They say that the teams ahead of us will trade down because of the bounty of picks they will be able to command for the ability to draft (insert QB here).

Then they say that the Redskins should not move up to the (insert pick here) to draft (insert QB here) because they will be "mortgaging the future" and "giving up too much".

So why would people think other teams will do the thing that they think the Redskins would be stupid for doing?

Bingo:)
I am in the camp of its okay to lose rest of the season but it feels so good with the win today. We beat the midgets away with our back up oline and rookies!!!!! Imagine where we will be with another solid draft and FA signings next year

Still, I have full faith in mike & Bruce. If they feel the need to trade up and get our QB, so be it. There's a reason why we, the fans, have a FT job and not working for NFL teams

[prsnljournalst3]

any updates on griffin?

[PerryMason]

any updates on griffin?

Yeah, he's playing in the Alamo Bowl on Dec. 29 vs. Washington. Should be a good one.