National Football Post: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck

[SkinsHokieFan]

Excellent article and break down by Wes Bunting

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Robert-Griffin-III-vs-Andrew-Luck.html




Final Take…
Overall, I stated back in September after I
saw RGIII vs. TCU, that if this guy can play at a high level all season, he’s
got the kind of talent to be the one quarterback that actually makes NFL teams
think twice about Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck. Griffin possesses the
athletic skill set to consistently create second lives for himself both inside
and outside the pocket, h (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html)e looks natural when asked to improvise (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html)if plays breakdown
and can really hurt you with his ability to make plays down the field. Now,
there are still some raw spots to his game.





However, he’s a worker from a top-tier family who wants to be great and when
you add together his physical skill set and his clean character on/off the
field, I feel confident giving this guy a higher grade than any quarterback from
the 2011 NFL draft class.





With that being said, Luck really is a rare prospect at the position. He’s a
“plus” in just about every category you evaluate a quarterback in outside of arm
strength, but has the frame to get stronger and I don’t think arm strength will
ever be a real concern for him at the next level. He’s a bright kid both on and
off the field who deciphers information quickly. Is comfortable on the move,
finds secondary targets while working his way across the field and is one of the
few college quarterback prospects to come along with experience calling plays at
the line and getting his team in and out of formations pre snap.





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[Champskins]

Please, let either one of these guys lead our team next year.... maybe then ill buy a new jersey. but seriously, these guys are both dynamic - game changers. RG3 could very well be the #1 pick

[mistertim]

Good read and I agree with him. As much as I like Griffin's skillset, there is no way I would take him over Luck if I had the choice between them. If we can't get Luck, I would be perfectly happy with Griffin.

[MWCREDSKINS]

I really want one of these 2 behind the center come 2012. I'd still favor Luck, he's going to be expensive but you have to do it. Just look at Saints with Brees, Patriots- Brady etc, they are never out of a game because they have a smart QB who knows how to win, Luck sure looks from the same breed. Griffin would be a great alernative. I just think it's about time the Redskins finally have a QB who you know will be QB for 10 years

[mr_neon]

It's a close call. But, I like the idea of Luck having the experience of calling plays and his plus abilities in just about every area. If I had my choice, I'm going with Andrew Luck. There is no guarantee RG III even leaves college this year. Which makes me wonder what the Redskins would do in this year's draft. I think I'd be willing to trade my first rounder down for more picks and continue building other areas, and grin and bear one more year with Rex Grossman.

[TK]

Both these guys have knocks on them.

Luck- Does a lot of things well, does nothing GREAT. GMs feel he has reached his potential.

RG3- Can anyone find a clip of him taking a snap under center? Smaller frame/durability/toughness- when he went down, his backup came in & had better numbers then RG3 did, so GMs started asking is it the QB or the system? GMs feel he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

That said, I'd still be happy with either one of them.

[Kostaskins]

Would any1 of u here be willing to give up next years 1st, 2nd n prob 3rd to land one of these guys... Knowing that our scedule will torture?

[Boss_Hogg]

Not looking good for us with either of these two QBs, unless of course we trade up.

[mr_neon]

Would any1 of u here be willing to give up next years 1st, 2nd n prob 3rd to land one of these guys... Knowing that our scedule will torture?

I would be willing to give up some things for Andrew Luck. It doesn't necessarily have to be all your top picks of 2012. It can be spread out over the next few seasons.

[TK]

Would any1 of u here be willing to give up next years 1st, 2nd n prob 3rd to land one of these guys... Knowing that our scedule will torture?
I'd be willing to wait out Free Agencey to see what moves we make there first. Then see about if we need to move up. Evidenty though, I must be crazy for wanting to put the horse in front of the cart.

[ytrain98]

I would be willing to give up some things for Andrew Luck. It doesn't necessarily have to be all your top picks of 2012. It can be spread out over the next few seasons.

If you're a GM/coach and your job is on the line (as it always is in the NFL) and you're a potential trade partner, do you want picks now, or do you want them spread out over a few seasons, when you may no longer have the job and be able to reap the benefits?

Exactly.

[paloosa]

I think that both are going to be very good players in the NFL but I am worried about the Heisman curse that RGIII has going for him. I would rather have Luck because he has played in a Pro style offense at Stanford under Harbaugh. RGIII played at Baylor and I don't think he played in a Pro style offense plus he is too much of a shotgun QB like Chase Daniels who we drafted out of Missouri a few years ago. RGIII is athletic and can make plays with his feet but when it comes down to it I would much rather have a QB with enough mobility to get out of trouble and very accurate instead of a Michael Vick type player. The guy that makes the Ben Rothlesberger, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees plays are the ones I want to lead my team. All of these guys are Super Bowl Champion QB's and know how to get rid of the ball and avoid the pass rush so they can get the ball to their playmakers down the field and not depend on themselves to make plays with their feet. When it is 3rd and 16 you will pick up more yardage throwing the ball to a WR then you will trying to run it. That is why Vick, Tarkenton, Cunningham, Jaworski, and McNabb were or will never be Super Bowl winning QB's because they rely too much on their abilities and not others around them. Steve Young won a Super Bowl as a running QB because he took over a well coached team that anyone that knew how to manage the game could have led to a Super Bowl win. Look at a guy like Trent Dilfer who won a Super Bowl with the Ravens and is vastly overrated. The only reason they won was due to their defense and not Dilfer's play.

[RWJ]

TK, makes me think we might be looking at Flynn as a FA QB pickup, possibly?

[MLSKINS]

Either one is an upgrade, I think we can win with either one of the The one we will get is the one that the Shannahan's think we can win with not who we think we can win with....

[Champskins]

TK, makes me think we might be looking at Flynn as a FA QB pickup, possibly?

We need to be looking at Dennis Dixon as a FA pickup... Cheaper price too, could be had for a late rounder.

"the Steelers would ideally swing him for a late-round pick while the iron is still somewhat warm. Dixon is in a contract year and won't re-sign in 2012"

edit: could be had for free

[LetThePointsSoar]

Can someone post the link to page 2 (RG3's analysis)? Not sure if it's because I'm @ work with work firewalls, but I can only view the breakdown on Luck.

[mistertim]

TK, makes me think we might be looking at Flynn as a FA QB pickup, possibly?

This board would explode if they picked up Flynn and didn't draft a QB high. I would be ok with grabbing him as a potential backup for cheap money but he is going to want to go somewhere and be a starter or at least compete for a starting job. I don't even see why he is wanted, really; he hasn't done much of anything in the NFL. This year he only has 5 pass attempts and still managed to make one of them an interception. I guess he can ride the "I sat behind the best QB in the NFL so I could be really good" train to a bigger paycheck somewhere else.

[RWJ]

This board would explode if they picked up Flynn and didn't draft a QB high. I would be ok with grabbing him as a potential backup for cheap money but he is going to want to go somewhere and be a starter or at least compete for a starting job. I don't even see why he is wanted, really; he hasn't done much of anything in the NFL. This year he only has 5 pass attempts and still managed to make one of them an interception. I guess he can ride the "I sat behind the best QB in the NFL so I could be really good" train to a bigger paycheck somewhere else.




TK, had mentioned depends on what happens in FA. To me, this means we might sign a vet such as Flynn, as Rich Tandler has mentioned. It doesn't mean we won't move up in the draft to take RGIII or Luck but I guess we will see how things play out in FA and how it will affect the draft.

[issapunk]

Picking Flynn up would be a Kevin Kolb move, except we know less about Flynn than we do Kolb. I was on the boat that Flynn wouldn't be a bad idea before, but now I don't like it. I would much rather see them trade what is needed and grab one of these guys and finally groom our own QB the right way. I would be ecstatic with Luck or RG3, just please god let us get one of them.

[TK]

I swear. Some you have calendars where you've put April before March. :)

[terrifNick21]

I swear. Some you have calendars where you've put April before March. :)

Dyslexic am well I!

[MartinC]

This board would explode if they picked up Flynn and didn't draft a QB high. I would be ok with grabbing him as a potential backup for cheap money but he is going to want to go somewhere and be a starter or at least compete for a starting job. I don't even see why he is wanted, really; he hasn't done much of anything in the NFL. This year he only has 5 pass attempts and still managed to make one of them an interception. I guess he can ride the "I sat behind the best QB in the NFL so I could be really good" train to a bigger paycheck somewhere else.

I'm with you on this. Flynn may turn out to be a great QB but we are talking about a guy who had 1 year starting in College and has exactly 1 start on his CV in the NFL. That's not a lot to evaluate and projecting him as your starter and signing him on that basis is a heck of a gamble IMO.

[SkinFaninOKC]

I swear. Some you have calendars where you've put April before March. :)

No, some of us would rather DRAFT a QB for the future than have someone else's backup. Flynn may succeed as a starter but someone like RG III would make our offense fly. Cam Newton didn't have the benefit of OTA's, something our QB will have. The front office has to pick their poison.

[Champskins]

Dennis Dixon.... not Matt Flynn!

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

TK, had mentioned depends on what happens in FA. To me, this means we might sign a vet such as Flynn, as Rich Tandler has mentioned. It doesn't mean we won't move up in the draft to take RGIII or Luck but I guess we will see how things play out in FA and how it will affect the draft.

My take on this is that our FO will have a list of targets for FA, not just at the QB position. If they manage to snag the guys they want, I can see Shanny giving up multiple 2012 pick up to trade-up for a QB. If we miss out in FA, he will look to trade back and fill some voids via the draft. Success in FA will lead to an agressive approach in the draft. If we flunk out in FA, look for a trade back & another 10-12 pick draft, imo.

[SkinsHokieFan]

My take on this is that our FO will have a list of targets for FA, not just at the QB position. If they manage to snag the guys they want, I can see Shanny giving up multiple 2012 pick up to trade-up for a QB. If we miss out in FA, he will look to trade back and fill some voids via the draft. Success in FA will lead to an agressive approach in the draft. If we flunk out in FA, look for a trade back & another 10-12 pick draft, imo.

I see that as well

Chris Meyes (C-Houston) and Ben Grubbs (G-Baltimore) will no doubt be top targets

Coming to deals with Landry, Davis and Fletcher as well.

Along with that adding a WR via free agency, one of the big names in DJax or Dbowe, or perhaps going for Meecham.

If we are able to snag Meyers and Grubbs in FA, essentially solidfying the interior o-line, re-sign our guys at resonable cost, perhaps add another player to the secondary, and add a WR, we go all in at QB draft time.

My speculation is that we'll find a way to get Willie Smith starting at RT next year and let JB go. We will have plenty of cap room for these moves as well as letting JB go AND snagging the number 1 pick, seeing how relatively cheap that pick is now

[thesubmittedone]

I have a feeling this is how everything will go on draft day:

1- Luck is taken first overall.
2- RG3 actually falls to us at our 4/5/6/7th pick.
3- Everyone in ES goes absolutely nuts and expects us to pick him.
4- Roger Goodell comes on stage and announces a trade between the Redskins and Miami/Browns or whoever.
5- ES implodes.
6- We pick up an awesome amount of draft picks and make them count, taking a QB like Tannehill late in the first or in the second.
7- A vocal minority within ES points to every good game RG3 has as a pro and makes it a point to complain about why we didn't take him, especially when Tannehill has a poor game for the rest of their respective careers.

[Skins3000]

I am not getting too caught up on play calling and this under center nonsense because this is blown way out of proportion sometimes. I think if a player is willing to put in the time and effort they can learn how to call plays. RGIII has been playing football since he was probably five and taking snaps under center since he was six. Most Gm's now are looking at the physicalities.Can the player throw a nine route, does the qb look off the safety before trying to make a skinny post throw, does he set his feet, does he have the velocity on his throws to be an NFl franchise qb, is he committed to the NFl game or has too many extra outside activities going on ie acting, playing another professional sport. College is college in my opinion and 70% of the players are not even going to make it in the pros so the level of competition could come into play. Personally I am RGIII because what I have seen of Luck I am not impressed for all the hype he receives.

[2cents]

I have a feeling this is how everything will go on draft day:

1- Luck is taken first overall.
2- RG3 actually falls to us at our 4/5/6/7th pick.
3- Everyone in ES goes absolutely nuts and expects us to pick him.
4- Roger Goodell comes on stage and announces a trade between the Redskins and Miami/Browns or whoever.
5- ES implodes.
6- We pick up an awesome amount of draft picks and make them count, taking a QB like Tannehill late in the first or in the second.
7- A vocal minority within ES points to every good game RG3 has as a pro and makes it a point to complain about why we didn't take him, especially when Tannehill has a poor game for the rest of their respective careers.

And someone will mention how many passes Jason Campbell conpletes in the backyard with his friends when he is out of the league.

[mr_neon]

If you're a GM/coach and your job is on the line (as it always is in the NFL) and you're a potential trade partner, do you want picks now, or do you want them spread out over a few seasons, when you may no longer have the job and be able to reap the benefits?

Exactly.

Well honestly, if I'm a GM and my job is on the line, then I'm probably not going to be using those draft picks wisely anyway. It makes much more sense to me to have those picks spread out over a few years. My team is guaranteed a high round pick over the next several seasons, which means I have better chances at drafting a top flight guy, or trading down to pick up multiple picks over several seasons, rather than blowing it all in one draft for players that may not suit my need. In this day and age, it takes a few drafts to get the players you need. You almost never draft all of your needs in one draft, so why would want all of those high round picks in one draft and possibly have nothing over the next few seasons?

[mistertim]

Personally I am RGIII because what I have seen of Luck I am not impressed for all the hype he receives.

Which Stanford games did you watch this year? Just curious what you're using to judge.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

We will have plenty of cap room for these moves

I was reading that we still have between $7m & $12m left from this years cap as well. I suppose we have no way of knowing if that is true, but if it is I'd want to see some of our current players extended during this league year, if that is possible. Especially a guy like Fletcher, who you could 100% trust to give some upfront money to at this point & still get the ultimate pro' going forward.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Both these guys have knocks on them.

Luck- Does a lot of things well, does nothing GREAT. GMs feel he has reached his potential.

He has white wide receivers. How could he possibly have reached his potential?

I don't think it's possible for Luck to be a bust. Barring a catastrophic injury, I think - at worst - he has a Boomer Esiason-esque career.


RG3- Can anyone find a clip of him taking a snap under center? Smaller frame/durability/toughness- when he went down, his backup came in & had better numbers then RG3 did, so GMs started asking is it the QB or the system? GMs feel he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.


Cam Newton took no snaps under center. I think that's a very 2006 argument.

His size worries me some. The fact he played in a league where everyone puts up huge passing numbers worries me too. There is a certain level of risk attached to him that simply does not exist with Luck.

[superozman]

If - IF there is no QB that they plan on drafting, and go the free agent route, I would love to see a Brady Quinn/Chase Daniel competition.

Alright - laugh and move on.

[wsniper1]

. Steve Young won a Super Bowl as a running QB because he took over a well coached team that anyone that knew how to manage the game could have led to a Super Bowl win.
Seriously?
Steve Young is one of two QBs in the top 15 ALL-TIME QB Rating, that played the majority of their playing career before 2000, and your gonna knock his throwing ability?
Why do I use 2000 as a benchmark?
after 2000 even Matt Ryan and Chad pennignton could get high QB ratings, rules and game has changed.
15 points better than Troy Aikman during the same time period with similarly talented teams.
Dont knock him b/c he had the ability to run.

[Coloradoskin]

This board would explode if they picked up Flynn and didn't draft a QB high. I would be ok with grabbing him as a potential backup for cheap money but he is going to want to go somewhere and be a starter or at least compete for a starting job. I don't even see why he is wanted, really; he hasn't done much of anything in the NFL. This year he only has 5 pass attempts and still managed to make one of them an interception. I guess he can ride the "I sat behind the best QB in the NFL so I could be really good" train to a bigger paycheck somewhere else.

I wouldn't... If we could get Flynn, draft a stud WR in the first and get Tannehill in the second.. without trading away a lot of picks.. I think that would be a success !!!! Flynn would run this team well. He's smart.. unlike Grossman

[LetThePointsSoar]

I wouldn't... If we could get Flynn, draft a stud WR in the first and get Tannehill in the second.. without trading away a lot of picks.. I think that would be a success !!!! Flynn would run this team well. He's smart.. unlike Grossman

I'd be ok with that scenario, but given the QB needy teams this year, I have a hard time seeing Tannehill last all the way to our 2nd round pick.

[mistertim]

I have a feeling that Tannehill is going to be more of a late 1st rounder so we would have to move back up into the 1st to get him (assuming we used our top pick on something else already). To be honest, I wouldn't be too upset with the scenario of getting Flynn as well as Tannehill to groom. The only issue I would have is paying Flynn much. You say he is smart and would be successful here...but what do you base that on? He was a one year starter at LSU, has hardly played in the NFL at all and when he has played he has been pretty mediocre.

[MartinC]

I'd be ok with that scenario, but given the QB needy teams this year, I have a hard time seeing Tannehill last all the way to our 2nd round pick.

Tannehill is going to be a first round pick and probably a top 20 pick IMO. He has great physical tools including probably the best arm in this years draft. He is raw and I think will benefit from a year or two on the bench being developed but he is a really intriguing prospect.

Ideally I want one of Luck or RGIII both of whom I think you start as a rookie - if we can't get these guys though Tannehill would be a sound pick especially if we could trade back a few spots and maybe pick up another 2nd rounder.

[Coloradoskin]

If you say Flynn is mediocre.. you have not seen him play. I know he has been limited in playing time but I saw both regular season games he played and he has the tools and seems to play very smart. I'd risk it. I agree with Barkley going back to USC and a priority on QB's Tannehill might move into the 1st round but he shouldnt. but Ponder should not have been drafted that high either but he was...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Any team that drafts Luck needs to start him on Day 1.

For any of the other top QBs, I would be willing to sign Flynn AND draft a QB #1. Ride Flynn out for a year or two and if he is a star, you have a really good backup and a potentiall huge trade chip down the road. If Flynn doesn't work out, well, you have a slightly overpriced backup. You already know he can play that role.

[MartinC]

If you say Flynn is mediocre.. you have not seen him play. I know he has been limited in playing time but I saw both regular season games he played and he has the tools and seems to play very smart. I'd risk it. I agree with Barkley going back to USC and a priority on QB's Tannehill might move into the 1st round but he shouldnt. but Ponder should not have been drafted that high either but he was...

Flynn has one NFL start and 5 passes in another game in mop up time. That's an awfully small sample size on which to base any evaluation - especially when you factor he was a one year starter in College.

[TK]

No, some of us would rather DRAFT a QB for the future than have someone else's backup. Flynn may succeed as a starter but someone like RG III would make our offense fly. Cam Newton didn't have the benefit of OTA's, something our QB will have. The front office has to pick their poison.
You missed the point. :)

What I was getting at is that some here are so fixated on the Draft & being able to get Luck or RG3, they've forgotten all the things that come before the Draft.

Things like the actual end of the season. Free Agency. Bowl games. The Combine. Oh yeah, and RG3 will have to actually, ya know, DECLARE for the Draft. There is a LOT of time & things can happen between now & then.

[mistertim]

Has RG3 even declared yet?

No. And I believe he has said that he won't make a decision (or announce it at least) until around the deadline.

[A Skinhead in Saints Land]

Has RG3 even declared yet?

[mistertim]

Has RG3 even declared yet?

No. And I believe he has said that he won't make a decision (or announce it at least) until around the deadline.

[HigSkin]

We need to be looking at Dennis Dixon as a FA pickup... Cheaper price too, could be had for a late rounder.

"the Steelers would ideally swing him for a late-round pick while the iron is still somewhat warm. Dixon is in a contract year and won't re-sign in 2012"

edit: could be had for free

I also wondered about Brian Hoyer now that NE has Mallet on their roster. Hoyer will be RFA at the end of the season.

[redskin01fan]

I am very tired of not having a franchise QB on this team since the mid 80's when Theisman got hurt. The Skins have had some decent QBs but nothing great. I would be elated if Shannahan and Allen did whatever it took to go and get Luck and build up the O-line. I really think we have the pieces at all the other positions to include WR. The guys they drafted last year are going to be good. O-line and QB, Corner and maybe another safety. should be the priority. Go and get Luck! besides, how can you go wrong with a guy who's last name is LUCK!!

[Skins3000]

Which Stanford games did you watch this year? Just curious what you're using to judge.

I watched the Oregon game and later watched the Notre Dame game hoping to see something significant but I just walked away with a that is an above average performance. I really wish Baylor and Stanford would had played in a bowl game.

[jflow78]

....RG3- Can anyone find a clip of him taking a snap under center?.....That said, I'd still be happy with either one of them.

Yeah, actually I watched a few Baylor games, and it seemed they would throw in a handful of snaps under center, but obviously not a staple of the offense. It almost seemed like they were doing it JUST for scouts, because they knew it was such a big issue. RGIII did fine with them, it didn't seem like a big deal to him, didn't change much in his play.

The guy I've watched a few times, and who looks like he has some bad footwork is Tannenhill. That guy does about 20 baby steps or stutter steps or whatever on a 7 step drop. It's really disconcerting. Granted, the only game of his I watched was the game against TCU, I believe. Not his best, but not awful either. He's just got to work on his footwork and he's got a rocket arm, but even with that, IMO, he's not even remotely in the crowd of Luck or RGIII.

I really want one of those two guys for the Skins.

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Flynn has one NFL start and 5 passes in another game in mop up time. That's an awfully small sample size on which to base any evaluation - especially when you factor he was a one year starter in College.

He's got more experience than that, you only mentioned the Patriots game from last season and the 5 attempts he had this year. Last season he also played a lot of one of Green Bay's Detroit games when Rodgers got injured. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, as far as the small sample size, but he does have a little more experience than you're giving him credit for.

I think the guy has potential, but I'm not willing to go into next season with him as our expected starter after what we've gone through this season, even though I bet he'd do a much better job of it than Rex or Beck.

---------- Post added December-29th-2011 at 01:06 AM ----------


Any team that drafts Luck needs to start him on Day 1.

For any of the other top QBs, I would be willing to sign Flynn AND draft a QB #1. Ride Flynn out for a year or two and if he is a star, you have a really good backup and a potentiall huge trade chip down the road. If Flynn doesn't work out, well, you have a slightly overpriced backup. You already know he can play that role.

I'm hoping for something along those lines as well.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Luck- Does a lot of things well, does nothing GREAT. GMs feel he has reached his potential.

With all due respect TK, this is one of the most ridiculous comments I've read in a while. Not quite as bad as that trade-for-Casey-Matthews-and-play-him-at-safety post, but come on, there isn't a 22-year-old in the world who's reached his potential

[chipwhich]

With all due respect TK, this is one of the most ridiculous comments I've read in a while. Not quite as bad as that trade-for-Casey-Matthews-and-play-him-at-safety post, but come on, there isn't a 22-year-old in the world who's reached his potential

And there were GM's in the league that thought Manning had reached his potential and Leaf had a bigger upside. Meanwhile back at the ranch....

[wildbill1952]

Still have to wait a couple of days for RG II to announce if he's staying or going. I would take either of these two QB's in a heartbeat. But until RG III makes his announcement, it's all premature to talk about trading picks for St. Louis pick. If RG III says he's leaving college, I'd agree St. Louis's pick, assuming it's second, is worth two firsts and a second - but that's it. Any more and you have to start looking at FA QB's. Even the non-exclusive franchised QB's that might be worth it only cost you two first round picks.

[mistertim]

And there were GM's in the league that thought Manning had reached his potential and Leaf had a bigger upside. Meanwhile back at the ranch....

Yeah I was kinda thinking the same thing when I read TK's post. "Hm, isn't that pretty much exactly what was said about Peyton Manning?".

[Newera]

This board would explode if they picked up Flynn and didn't draft a QB high. I would be ok with grabbing him as a potential backup for cheap money but he is going to want to go somewhere and be a starter or at least compete for a starting job. I don't even see why he is wanted, really; he hasn't done much of anything in the NFL. This year he only has 5 pass attempts and still managed to make one of them an interception. I guess he can ride the "I sat behind the best QB in the NFL so I could be really good" train to a bigger paycheck somewhere else.

He's going to get to showcase his wares Sunday. Rodgers is not expected to play much. And, Detroit needs to win the game. Audition game for Flynn. They can still take Flynn and draft a quarterback. Maybe in the second or third.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Yeah I was kinda thinking the same thing when I read TK's post. "Hm, isn't that pretty much exactly what was said about Peyton Manning?".

To be fair, RGIII by all indications is far, far from Ryan Leaf.

[chipwhich]

To be fair, RGIII by all indications is far, far from Ryan Leaf.

Got a link which compares the two???? :ols:

[HigSkin]

Still have to wait a couple of days for RG II to announce if he's staying or going.

FYI - Just watched an ESPN interview with RGiii and he is going to make the announcement January 15th, which is the deadline to declare.