View Full Version : Please fire both Bob(DB) & Bobby Slowik(DA) & Jacob Burney(DL)!! Replace with Darrell Green(DB) & Steve Spagnuolo(DL & DA)
SkinsHokieFan
January-2nd-2012, 04:00 PM
Does Spags have any 3-4 experience?
Missouri_Skins_Fan
January-2nd-2012, 04:01 PM
1st) It's time to get D. Green to coach these D-Backs and involved with this Organization & Staff. They're absolutely terrible, because they're out of position and late to the ball. Not because they don't have skills. (well...except Doughty) Green would be the perfect teacher & he wants to do it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/darrell-green-tweets-maybe-i-could-help-as-redskins-secondary-coach/2012/01/01/gIQASTWAVP_blog.html?wprss=football-insider
Following a 5-11 season, change of some sort is inevitable for most struggling football organizations. If the Redskins tweak their coaching staff this offseason, Hall of Famer Darrell Green has one suggested addition: himself.
Shortly after the Redskins’ 34-10 loss at Philadelphia (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-vs-eagles-a-season-of-woes-packed-into-one-game-as-washington-loses-to-philadelphia-34-10/2012/01/01/gIQAkORnUP_story.html) on Sunday, the former Redskins great posted on Twitter and his Facebook page: “I am starting to change my mind about not wanting to coach the Redskins secondary. Maybe i could help coach Shanahan bring a winner back to the Burgundy & Gold.”
More info in link
Bob Slowik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Slowik) has to go & same with Bobby Slowik (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bobby_Slowik&action=edit&redlink=1) who is Defensive Assistant.
Hire D. Green as D-Backs coach!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Darrell_Green_at_Dept_of_Education_event,_cropped. jpg/200px-Darrell_Green_at_Dept_of_Education_event,_cropped. jpg
2nd) Now, I would like to hire Steve Spagnuolo as Defensive Assistant replacing Bobby.
But although we are running Haslett's 3-4 and scheme, we could still use Spags knowledge of the D-Line and the skills needed to dominate the front, much like that 07' Giants team and the whole time he was there. Not to mention, his Players love to play for him in the trenches.
But to do that, we need to fire Defensive Lines coach Jacob Burney. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Burney)
I believe Spags could better develop Barry Cofield as our NT, with there experience together, as well as Jarvis Jenkins when he comes back healthy and rest of line including Chris Neild.
So fire Jacob & hire Spags as Defensive Assistant & Defensive Lines coach!
http://www.blogcdn.com/nfl.fanhouse.com/media/2009/01/steve-spagnuolo.gif
I believe this would be a huge upgrade to our secondary and D-Line.
Plus.. maybe having Spags here, we could throw some 4-3 wrinkles at teams and move Orakpo & Kerrigan around on the Defense (like flip sides every so often) to confuse teams like he did with Strahan, Osi and Tuck. Meaning...helping Lou Spanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Spanos) be a little more creative at the LB spot, instead of having them in the same spot over & over & over again.
I like the direction our Offense is going and believe we are just a few pieces (QB obviously), before we really take off. I like what Shanahan and Kyle are doing & appreciate their progress.
But I am NOT happy with the Secondary or the creative side on Defense at all. We should be MUCH better with the talent on the field. Lou has done a great job with the LBers, so he stays...We just need more innovation & creativity.
I think Spags would bring that.
& D. Green's experience would do wonders for Hall, Landry, Wilson & Atogwe as well as the young one's, imo.
But I love the talent on D. it's just needs to be groomed better, imo.
Truant
January-2nd-2012, 04:02 PM
Spags won't come here for a defensive assistant job. Heard some rumors about Philly DC job. He snubbed us in the Zorn coaching hunt and made some comment about turning us down... I don't think either party would be interested in him coming here.
Stophovr6
January-2nd-2012, 04:06 PM
Why Green for DB coach? Has he ever coached before? Just because you were good at a position doesn't make you a good coach.
jwpanic
January-2nd-2012, 04:06 PM
didn't spags publicly refuse to even be interviewed for our head coaching position a few years back? i can't see snyder forgetting that.
SkinsGuy
January-2nd-2012, 04:07 PM
Just because Darrell Green was a HoF CB, doesn't mean he is NFL coaching material.
DC9
January-2nd-2012, 04:09 PM
If a change is made on the defense, let Lou Spanos be the DC and allow him to pick his staff.
Other than that, with the player additions this last off season and another year in the scheme, Haslett took the defense from 31st to 16th. That's a monster jump.
And this defense has only played with the lead a few times this year, so we don't really know what it's supposed to look like other than the end of both Giants games, which I was very pleased with.
Stay the course, please.
GSF
January-2nd-2012, 04:09 PM
Why Green for DB coach? Has he ever coached before? Just because you were good at a position doesn't make you a good coach.
Yeah or that he even wants to coach lol. I have heard Green has no interest in professional coaching.
spjunkies
January-2nd-2012, 04:11 PM
Spags is going to to the Eagles.
GSF
January-2nd-2012, 04:13 PM
Why Green for DB coach? Has he ever coached before? Just because you were good at a position doesn't make you a good coach.
Yeah or that he even wants to coach lol. I have heard Green has no interest in professional coaching.
Win4us
January-2nd-2012, 04:17 PM
I'd keep Jacob Burney right where he is. He coached a d-line that's primary job is to absorb o-line blocks into registering around 18 sacks. That's pretty dang good imho.
Missouri_Skins_Fan
January-2nd-2012, 04:17 PM
Does Spags have any 3-4 experience?
We run lots of 3-4 schemes with 5 man fronts. Kerrigan and Orakpo at the line of scrimmage
I see no reason to assume, he can't coach the D-Line and be an assistant under a 3-4 scheme under different looks.
I'm pretty confident, he could utilize many of the same stunts and gap control under Haslett's 3-4 scheme.
Not to mention, he would bring a 4-3 knowledge that could better utilize Kerrigan and Orakpo at the LB position both in a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme.
Lets not pretend he is a genius 4-3 Coordinator and an idiot as a 3-4 personal guy. I'm confident, he's very knowledgable in both schemes.
If Eagles can take an O-line coach in Juan Castilloand & turn him into a Defensive Coordinator.
I believe Spags who's a genius 4-3 Coordinator, could easily coach a Defense that runs a 3-4 scheme.
But also has 4-3 player personal like
Orakpo=DE
Kerrigan=DE
Cofield=DT/DE
Jenkins=DE/DT
Fletcher=4-3 LBer in St Louis
etc.
Santana_89
January-2nd-2012, 04:19 PM
Why Green for DB coach? Has he ever coached before? Just because you were good at a position doesn't make you a good coach.
Thank you :applause:
Let's not act as if D Green coaching the db's will solve all our problems in the secondary.
maskedsuperstar
January-2nd-2012, 04:31 PM
We run lots of 3-4 schemes with 5 man fronts. Kerrigan and Orakpo at the line of scrimmage
I see no reason to assume, he can't coach the D-Line and be an assistant under a 3-4 scheme under different looks.
c.
Just stop it!
RabidFan
January-2nd-2012, 04:39 PM
Orakpo was all over the field and finally getting sacks going on RT's so we were moving him around before his injury and it seemed to work.
Boss_Hogg
January-2nd-2012, 05:05 PM
Just when I thought we couldn't sound any dumber.
About Spags, not D. Green.
Crazy Levi
January-2nd-2012, 05:05 PM
didn't spags publicly refuse to even be interviewed for our head coaching position a few years back? i can't see snyder forgetting that.
This is true, but it is certainly to the man's credit. That coaching search was the most bungled fiasco in the history of NFL coaching searches, and I can't blame him for recoiling in horror.
compguru13
January-2nd-2012, 05:06 PM
Spags not going to want to come here and be a defensive assistant.
Haven't you heard? The only thing more prestigious than being a head coach is being a DA for the Redskins!
NLC1054
January-2nd-2012, 05:07 PM
Spags not going to want to come here and be a defensive assistant.
I'm all for Green coming on, but he'd probably have to be an assistant DB coach first, before getting promoted.
Forehead
January-2nd-2012, 05:13 PM
I hate to say this because he hasn't been here long, but this OP is quickly entering "automatically skip his posts" territory.
FSUSkins24
January-2nd-2012, 05:15 PM
Lets not pretend he is a genius 4-3 Coordinator and an idiot as a 3-4 personal (sic) guy. I'm confident, he's very knowledgable in both schemes.
Okay, but let's not assume that he is knowledgable in both. Remember when you assume...
If Eagles can take an O-line coach in Juan Castilloand & turn him into a Defensive Coordinator.
I believe Spags who's a genius 4-3 Coordinator, could easily coach a Defense that runs a 3-4 scheme.
Not a good comparison, Philly fans hate Juan Castillo.
I'm not opposed to giving DGreen a shot at coaching the DBs, but we can't act like he's just able to step in and be a top coach. Give him a little experience before we hand him the DB coach title.
As for Spags his resume doesn't equal Defensive Assistant, I highly doubt he will want to be D assistant anywhere... and it sounds like he'd like it even less in Washington.
NewCliche21
January-2nd-2012, 05:23 PM
Wasn't Darrell Green working with Justin Tryon and said that he would be the next great cornerback? Like two years in a row?
thesubmittedone
January-2nd-2012, 05:37 PM
Uhm, what the heck did Jacob Burney do other than coach a dominant Dline this year? Talk about being utterly disloyal. I would hate to work for a coach like Shanahan if I did my job that well and still ate it as soon as someone else came along.
mi6
January-2nd-2012, 05:50 PM
Both Spags and Green would be welcome additions. But, it's more a fantasy rather than reality.
Spags turned us down, and was vocal about not wanting to come here. Andy Reid might be pursuing him.
skinfan2k
January-2nd-2012, 06:03 PM
Spags isn't coming anywhere near an NFCE coaching position this year. Reid burned bridges with him, which is why he went to NYG. He publicly turned us down so he's not coming here. The circus in Dallas isn't going to hire him, they still think they have their guy in Rob Ryan.
He might go up to Indy to coach up their defense. Lord knows they could use him.
ugh no, he went to NYG to become the DC when Jim Johnson was still the DC in Philly.
Hitman21ST
January-2nd-2012, 06:03 PM
Spags isn't coming anywhere near an NFCE coaching position this year. Reid burned bridges with him, which is why he went to NYG. He publicly turned us down so he's not coming here. The circus in Dallas isn't going to hire him, they still think they have their guy in Rob Ryan.
He might go up to Indy to coach up their defense. Lord knows they could use him.
HailGreen28
January-2nd-2012, 06:05 PM
Fire Danny Smith first.
Then talk about the rest, which seems like a distraction from the Fire Danny Smith thread.
skinfan2k
January-2nd-2012, 06:06 PM
Spags isn't coming anywhere near an NFCE coaching position this year. Reid burned bridges with him, which is why he went to NYG. He publicly turned us down so he's not coming here. The circus in Dallas isn't going to hire him, they still think they have their guy in Rob Ryan.
He might go up to Indy to coach up their defense. Lord knows they could use him.
ugh no, he went to NYG to become the DC when Jim Johnson was still the DC in Philly.
elkabong82
January-2nd-2012, 06:14 PM
Our DL performed well this year. Replacing the DL coach with a former head coach who will not take an assistant job because he's a name instead of sticking with our own coach who got good results is asinine.
D. Green is interesting at DB coach, but not a guaranteed success, but still intriguing and it would at least sound cool to bring him on board. I thought Wilson came along well in his first year with us, same with Gomes. Our deficiencies in the secondary may not be on the coaches, then again it could be. That's not easy to determine.
Hitman21ST
January-2nd-2012, 06:14 PM
ugh no, he went to NYG to become the DC when Jim Johnson was still the DC in Philly.
Right. Reid said something along the lines of he would never be DC/HC of the Eagles, so he left for NY
skinfan2k
January-2nd-2012, 06:15 PM
Right. Reid said something along the lines of he would never be DC/HC of the Eagles, so he left for NY
thats obvious and he let SS go to a rival. he was happy for him. No one knew that JJ's health would become such a issue
Hitman21ST
January-2nd-2012, 06:20 PM
thats obvious and he let SS go to a rival. he was happy for him. No one knew that JJ's health would become such a issue
True. But I just don't think after saying something like that, Spags would want to come back to Philly. Just sayin'
Hitman21ST
January-2nd-2012, 06:21 PM
the rumor is that he is gonna come back to philly as Reid wants to go back to the old Philly blitz blitz blitz scheme
I guess the Juan Castillo Wide 9 era is over?
Darn
skinfan2k
January-2nd-2012, 06:22 PM
True. But I just don't think after saying something like that, Spags would want to come back to Philly. Just sayin'
the rumor is that he is gonna come back to philly as Reid wants to go back to the old Philly blitz blitz blitz scheme
Taylor 36
January-2nd-2012, 06:25 PM
Our defense improved with a major leap, and this was after not having a true offseason to teach and learn. WHY, for the love of Pete, do fans want to **** with the one thing that seems to be working for this team right now? Because some coach got fired and is now available? Seriously? When will fans learn. Continuity is a big part of the problem for this team over the past decade. Please, let's stop being stupid and let things play out instead of changing things for the sake of changing. The only coach that should be considered for being let go is Danny Smith. He has had more than enough time, while not getting the penalties and kicking issues worked out.
SlinginSammy HOF '63
January-2nd-2012, 06:37 PM
Why Green for DB coach? Has he ever coached before? Just because you were good at a position doesn't make you a good coach.
:yes:
SirClintonPortis
January-2nd-2012, 06:41 PM
Darrell Green is NOT, I repeat, NOT going to transfer his ridiculous speed or his brain to any corner under his wing. He will be transferring KNOWLEDGE. Former players are not necessarily the greatest TEACHERS in the world.
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And Spags is a 4-3 dude who probably follows the late Jim Johnson in philosophy.
veteranskinsfan
January-2nd-2012, 06:47 PM
I think Green could coach the secondary well because he is a teacher. While it is true that many former players have bombed as "head coach" it does not mean that some players cannot be successful coaching. Green could make the transition but I doubt that Shanny will give him a chance because he does not know him. Allen might like him but he needs Shanny to buy into the idea.
Missouri_Skins_Fan
January-2nd-2012, 06:59 PM
A lot of freaking out over a requesting of a D-Back coach, A D-Line Coach and Defensive Assistant replacement.
Not D-Coordinator..lol
I'm wanting to replace the Grocery Bagger on Lane 4
Not the Meat Dept. Head & Store Manager...
geeez..lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65mtE2TN1w
elkabong82
January-2nd-2012, 07:21 PM
Except you essentially want to replace the bagger with a manager who isn't going to accept that kind of demotion. Spags will only accept a HC or DC position and those are both filled.
Plus, with DL you essentially want to replace a man who got good results from the DL this season, which doesn't make sense and is terrible for continuity, and your idea for a replacement is someone who won't take the position and coaches a different scheme. Your "solution" to the scheme differences is basically that "DL is DL," which means you don't understand the differences between a 3-4 and 4-3 with DL assignments.
You should accept the criticism you are receiving and try to at least counter it, instead of arrogantly dismissing it with a videoclip, since you were the one who started the topic. Otherwise it's a clear admission you only started the thread to see people agree with you, rather than to have an actual discussion on the merits of your suggestion, and that's pretty lame.
TD_washingtonredskins
January-2nd-2012, 07:45 PM
Spags led the Rams to the 29th, 19th, and 22nd ranked defense in his 3 years at the helm. No thanks. It might be that he was so good in New York thanks to having 73 defensive linemen who could get to the QB.
FSUSkins24
January-2nd-2012, 07:48 PM
Darrell Green is NOT, I repeat, NOT going to transfer his ridiculous speed or his brain to any corner under his wing. He will be transferring KNOWLEDGE. Former players are not necessarily the greatest TEACHERS in the world.
This reminded me of that joke about why Michael Jordan would never be a good coach. You'd see him yelling at his players in the huddle. "I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GUYS CAN'T DUNK FROM THE FREE THROW LINE! IT'S BASKETBALL 101!!!"
:ols:
jflow78
January-2nd-2012, 07:56 PM
Darrell Green is NOT, I repeat, NOT going to transfer his ridiculous speed or his brain to any corner under his wing. He will be transferring KNOWLEDGE. Former players are not necessarily the greatest TEACHERS in the world.
Yeah, I don't want a guy that's NEVER coached before, HoF Skin or not. Don't get me wrong, I love DG, but he's never coached. I'll take some guy that's worked his way up and was a ***** player who has had coaching success elsewhere first.
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This reminded me of that joke about why Michael Jordan would never be a good coach. You'd see him yelling at his players in the huddle. "I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GUYS CAN'T DUNK FROM THE FREE THROW LINE! IT'S BASKETBALL 101!!!"
:ols:
That is ACTUALLY why he came back out of retirement with the Wizards. Seriously. He got sick of watching his guys in practice not doing what they were supposed to and not competing enough, and he decided to show them how it's done.
Now if THAT is what DG is talking about, then I'll think about it. I want to see him run first. :ols:
Missouri_Skins_Fan
January-2nd-2012, 08:02 PM
Except you essentially want to replace the bagger with a manager who isn't going to accept that kind of demotion. Spags will only accept a HC or DC position and those are both filled. And how do you know that? Do you mean like Jim Zorn does now? Or how about Marty Schottenheimer who is the (head coach/general manager) of the Virginia Destroyers. Do you want me to continue? Those don't sound like lateral moves to me bong, from what they were doing before.
Plus, with DL you essentially want to replace a man who got good results from the DL this season, which doesn't make sense and is terrible for continuity, and your idea for a replacement is someone who won't take the position and coaches a different scheme. Your "solution" to the scheme differences is basically that "DL is DL," which means you don't understand the differences between a 3-4 and 4-3 with DL assignments.
You should accept the criticism you are receiving and try to at least counter it, instead of arrogantly dismissing it with a videoclip, since you were the one who started the topic. Otherwise it's a clear admission you only started the thread to see people agree with you, rather than to have an actual discussion on the merits of your suggestion, and that's pretty lame.
And apparently...I'm not alone in bringing in Spags...bong
(except, this article says for D-Corrdinator...I'm just saying D-line/D-Asst.)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1000369-washington-redskins-skins-must-hire-steve-spagnuolo-as-dc
Washington Redskins: 'Skins Must Hire Steve Spagnuolo as DC
The Washington Redskins need to make a committed effort to hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator.
Yesterday, NFL.com reported that current St. Louis Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo is readying to be relieved of his duties with the NFC West cellar-dwellers.
The report stated that Spagnuolo could be fired after the conclusion of the 2011 regular season if the Rams decide to make a serious move for former Tennessee Titans head man Jeff Fisher. (Which is exactly what seems to be happening and has happened)
The Philadelphia Eagles and New York Giants are already listed as the front runners for Spagnuolo's services as defensive coordinator. (We keep hearing that..yes)
Spagnuolo has prominent ties to both teams. He served as secondary coach for the Eagles, while being mentored by the late great Jim Johnson.
He took what he learned from Johnson with him to the Giants, where he was appointed defensive coordinator in 2007.
Spagnuolo turned a languishing Big Blue defense into a sack-happy unit that propelled the Giants all the way to Super Bowl triumph.
But it is the Redskins who should make the biggest push for Spagnuolo. Despite its talent level, Washington's defense has let the team down in critical moments this season. (Uh-oh..what's that Bong...someone agrees with me..(adam sandlers voice)
The most recent collapse came at home against the lowly Minnesota Vikings. One criticism of Jim Haslett's defense is that the unit simply fails to make enough big plays. (so very true....we don't make enough big plays...Specially up front..along the D-lines) :)
The Redskins' turnover return is again paltry, and Haslett's blitz packages are badly designed and poorly timed. (I don't think Haslett is the problem...But I'll play along with article, since we're having fun)
Spagnuolo is a master of the fire-zone blitz concepts that the Redskins are desperate to emulate. His blitzes are cleverly crafted and wide ranging.
Although he has been a 4-3 coach throughout his career, Spagnuolo would have no problem transferring his fire-zone packages to the Redskins' 3-4 front.
He would have plenty of the right kind of talent to work with in Washington. Spagnuolo's imaginative play-calling would better utilise the pass-rushing skills of Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan. (damn...sounds exactly what I'm saying..doesn't it, bong?)
The duo would be moved around more, positioned to attack different gaps and rush from multiple angles. (EXACTLY...what I've been saying, this whole thread/post)
Current nose tackle Barry Cofield worked with Spagnuolo in New York. He knows the system well and played his best football for Spagnuolo. (I mentioned that as well and goes by the waste side)
Spagnuolo's schemes require an extension of the coach on the field. Usually this role is given to the middle linebacker.
Spagnuolo would inherit a natural quarterback for the defense in the form of superb veteran London Fletcher. Yes
The 14-year pro's intelligence and instincts would make him the perfect choice to call and audible Spagnuolo's multiple schemes on the field.
Spagnuolo is also a tough, hard-nosed coach who may do a better job of keeping some of the bigger personalities on the Redskins defense in line.
His reputation as the architect of the New England Patriots' defeat in Super Bowl XLII commands respect, and his varied and daring system is known to be a favorite among defensive players.
As a team, the Redskins need more big plays. The defense has performed well this season but is still nowhere near the dominant unit it could be. (Exactly what I said in OP)
Spagnuolo has the knowledge and ideas to give the Redskins the kind of aggressive, turnover-binging defense they had hope for when they made the switch to 3-4.
I didn't even see this article, till now
and it's like I wrote it.
Except,I want to bring him in under Haslett.
That would be hard to do..I admit that.
But those (bong82) saying he can't cause he doesn't know the 3-4...
Don't know us coaches....:D
We can do it all(4-3..3-4...4-4...5-2etc)...trust me
We live this stuff
(pretty sad, when I have to use Bleacher report as a source...but it's right here)
elkabong82
January-2nd-2012, 11:33 PM
If even you admit it's sad when you have to use bleacher report as a source, then why bother adding it at all? You called into question the validity of your own source.
Again, you don't seem to get that Spags will never take an assistant job. He'll get a job as a DC or possibly a HC, he won't demote himself further down than a DC, so continuing with this pipe dream that he'll be an assistant, and a subordinate of Haslett, is fruitless and pure nonsense.
Again you ignore that our current DL coach had success with his group this year. You claim you are a coach, so you should know that firing one of your staff despite a good performance is not only a jerk move that makes others not want to work for you, but it's also incredibly stupid. I have yet to see you address this, despite it being pointed out to you numerous times in this thread. Firing someone who was successful purely because you like a bigger name is not something a professional does at any job level.
I'll concede that Spags probably knows the 3-4 also, but that doesn't forgive the fact you, apparently a coach, tried to infer that there isn't much difference in DL assignments between a 4-3 and a 3-4. Bringing in a 4-3 guy because of his name, disregarding his recent failures with the Rams, thinking he'll accept a demotion all the way down to an assistant, and kicking to the curb the current DL coach who did a good job with the unit, does not make sense once you get past Spagnuolo's name. The kind of move you are suggesting I don't even think the old Redskins regime, which valued flash way too much, would attempt.
Green wasn't a bad suggestion, it is actually interesting and that should be your focus. This argument for Spags makes no sense for us at all.
And finally, the article you brought up suggest we fire Haslett and have Spags as DC, despite Haslett doing a good job this season. You claim to be a coach, so you should understand the importance of consistency. The move the article suggests, and your move with Spags also, would kill that. You don't fire people who were successful because a prettier name is out there, and that kind of suggestion is incredibly asinine and shows a complete lack of even a fundamental understanding of the importance that continuity brings at an elite level. Just because you can change schemes every year in Pop Warner doesn't mean it works at the NFL level.
Missouri_Skins_Fan
January-4th-2012, 11:15 PM
No apologies necessary...
Just glad,we are doing something about it & that I had a vision to improve the team...lol
:)
Redskins meeting with Raheem Morris.
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?361292-Redskins-staff-meeting-with-Raheem-Morris
flexxskins
January-5th-2012, 01:00 AM
Our defense improved with a major leap, and this was after not having a true offseason to teach and learn. WHY, for the love of Pete, do fans want to **** with the one thing that seems to be working for this team right now? Because some coach got fired and is now available? Seriously? When will fans learn. Continuity is a big part of the problem for this team over the past decade. Please, let's stop being stupid and let things play out instead of changing things for the sake of changing. The only coach that should be considered for being let go is Danny Smith. He has had more than enough time, while not getting the penalties and kicking issues worked out.:applause:I 100% agree with everything you said here. I personally would have found another way of putting it:ols:...but hey.
Give our defense a full offseason, get Jenkins back on the field and motivate a couple of our players (meaning there are at least 2 players that IMO just don't care) and I can easily see us being a top 3 defense in the league.
Also, allow me to reiterate something that you and others have mentioned; Danny Smith must be fired. This thing is almost like watching the worst PR in the NFL in 09 (Randle El) line up to return punts for us each and every week almost as if to spite us...the fans and the media.
Park City Skins
January-5th-2012, 08:12 AM
No apologies necessary...
Just glad,we are doing something about it & that I had a vision to improve the team...lol
:)
No apology needs to come your way either.
Missouri_Skins_Fan
January-5th-2012, 11:06 AM
No apology needs to come your way either.
No way....could a Head Coach get fired and come to Washington for a Defensive Assistant Job.....(or another position considered a demotion)
No way could THAT coach who got fired, also come here after running a 4-3 Defense, since it wouldn't make since to everyone here but me...
I called it, Park City....
Might even have called specifically, who's gone as well...
Both Slowik's & Jacob Burney
lol
Missouri_Skins_Fan
January-5th-2012, 11:48 AM
Didn't Spags already turn down the coaching job in Washington at one point?
Yes, It was during that drama going on when we eventually hired Zorn.
But it wasn't because he didn't want to coach here.
It was because of the mess going on at that time.
VRIEL1
January-5th-2012, 12:03 PM
Why Green for DB coach? Has he ever coached before? Just because you were good at a position doesn't make you a good coach.
Officially coached? no.
Coached up other CB's when he was playing all the time. One prime example of a player drafted and came out not playing up to his potential was Champ Bailey, then Green worked with him one summer and BAMM he played 10X better opposite Green. Besides Green was not tall and could probably impart some of his wisdom as to his technique for other CB's who are not tall or exeptionally talented.
I really wish we could get rid of McCardell as well and bring in Jerry Rice to coach up the WR's.
---------- Post added January-5th-2012 at 01:01 PM ----------
:applause:I 100% agree with everything you said here. I personally would have found another way of putting it:ols:...but hey.
Give our defense a full offseason, get Jenkins back on the field and motivate a couple of our players (meaning there are at least 2 players that IMO just don't care) and I can easily see us being a top 3 defense in the league.
Also, allow me to reiterate something that you and others have mentioned; Danny Smith must be fired. This thing is almost like watching the worst PR in the NFL in 09 (Randle El) line up to return punts for us each and every week almost as if to spite us...the fans and the media.
The common denominator in your last sentence? Danny Smith. :)
Laxpunk2006
January-5th-2012, 12:08 PM
No way....could a Head Coach get fired and come to Washington for a Defensive Assistant Job.....(or another position considered a demotion)
No way could THAT coach who got fired, also come here after running a 4-3 Defense, since it wouldn't make since to everyone here but me...
I called it, Park City....
Might even have called specifically, who's gone as well...
Both Slowik's & Jacob Burney
lol
You suggested our coaching staff could use improvements, that isn't where we disagreed. A former head coach moving back to being a position coach isn't uncommon we've seen it with Zorn, Mike Tice, and plenty of others. Secondary overlaps between 3-4 and 4-3, D-line play has much less overlap. Raheem Morris has ties to the current coaching staff and has a logical contribution to make. Spags does not and he wants to be a coordinator, which wil be available for him. You can stop patting yourself on the back.
Park City Skins
January-5th-2012, 03:08 PM
You suggested our coaching staff could use improvements, that isn't where we disagreed. A former head coach moving back to being a position coach isn't uncommon we've seen it with Zorn, Mike Tice, and plenty of others. Secondary overlaps between 3-4 and 4-3, D-line play has much less overlap. Raheem Morris has ties to the current coaching staff and has a logical contribution to make. Spags does not and he wants to be a coordinator, which wil be available for him. You can stop patting yourself on the back.Bingo. You didn't reall "call" anything. Also,it wasn't,by and large,about a coach in general,it was specifically about your choices for replacements. Spags coming to D.C. specifically,is what folks had a different viewpoint on.That and the DL coach who looks like is staying,(for good reason). For the record books by the way,the Defensive Backs coach was coming under fire from fans here before even signing on with the Redskins and has since. Hardly anything new being said here in that regard. Like Lax said,you can stop patting yourself on the back.
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