Jay Glazer twitter - Rams Redskins agree to trade-Swap 1st's give up 2nd this year +two 1sts

[truskin4life]

Now we just need to hope Indy takes RG3 over luck

[Bifflog]

Can Griffin punt?

---------- Post added March-10th-2012 at 04:49 AM ----------

Ya know, we can still trade the #2 pick....

The better question is can he play safety.

[Missouri_Skins_Fan]

All the great things happen for the Redskins, when I'm asleep or away from the computer.
Am I allowed to cry?

Thank you God & I love you Bruce and Shanny!!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

[TheGreek1973]

I am happy and scared sh*tles. Brothers that is a LOT to give up to move up 4 spots and yet we need it bad. Manning was not coming here. Mike S can't afford another 5-11 season to have a chance at a premier QB next season. it was now or never. The interesting part to me was that the Browns seemed to have been offering the same as us and yet the Rams gave it to us. I guess friendship has its rewards. RGIII make us proud. And make that 2014 pick that we just gave up the 32nd overall pick.

[Brixtion_skin]

Woke up this morning,made breakfast for my son. I thought I would check in at NFL.com to see any news. I almost chocked on my breakfast. Wow. Checked out some other forums (Browns, Vikings & Rams). In my non scientific summary its seems that most of the Browns fans seem to be a bit disappointed they lost out on RGIII. However a sizeable number think the price is too high. The Rams fans are beyond delighted. The Vikings don't seem that fussed.

As for my pennies worth: I have to admit I feel a bit uncomfortable with the price. The 3 1st's is high enough, but the 2nd this year really stings. I think I would be ok if we got some picks back (some 6th or 7th round stuff somewhere..anything). Oh well its done.

Talk of a free agency spending spree makes me nervous (media talk to be fair). I don't mind spending big, but I don't want to see any 5+ year contracts to players who are likely to contribute only 2/3 years at best. I don't want to be this years dream team.

On the good side welcome RGIII to Washington. Or maybe even Andrew Luck (I know, I know, not likely).

[wilco_holland]

...yeah we better not do this.

I think my hearth just stoped.

Two options:
- Griffin III will be an amazing player and lead us to a SuperBowl.
- RGIII becomes the next Alki Snith and we are ****ed up for the next 3 years...if not even longer.

RGIII the persone with the most pressure, ever.

[storretti]

I just thought of something dumb,

Another reason to call RG3, RG3, because he is worth 3 first rounders. So his new name is Robert Griffin 3 1'st rounders. Hehehehe. I am really happy that we got him.

[aREDSKIN]

Keep in mind that without the 13,14 1st & 12 second we will have more monies to spend on FA's to fill-out the roster. And if RG3 ends up being the keeper many project the premium FA's will always want to come here. So we solidify the QB position, which we haven't done in two DECADES, and fill in the holes with premium FA's and lower draft picks which Shanny & Allen have already demonstrated they can do. It a gamble for sure but a calculated one which IMO seems to be a good bet.

[IONTOP]

I'm so happy right now... I don't care at all what we gave up... The fact that we're willing to do this make all the sense in my book...

RGIII in DC!!!!!!!!!

[redskins2473]

We did give up a lot but for those who think it was way overboard, consider this. Mike Shanahan thought Sam Bradford was a once in ten year type player and tried to trade up to get him. Obviously that effort was not a success. Had he been though, we would not be talking about RGIII, who I think is a better player. We would have given up multiple high round picks AND owed Bradford 50 million guaranteed as the first overall pick. With the new collective bargaining agreement and RGIII acquisition in the second spot, financial impact will be far less and leaves plenty of room for free agency pick ups plus the picks that remain. Doesn't seem all that bad if you look at it this way.

[TheGreek1973]

Pretty amazing that one of the most cognizant posts on this trade comes from a Dallas fan! 100% agree on your take Hoot... FANNED!

LMAO.....my thoughts exactly, no way this guy is a Dallas fan.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Wow - fantastic news to wake up to.

The price to get him - well, it is what it is.

We still have a 3rd & 2x 4th's this year - plus $50m in cap space. Plus RG3. Plus I believe the task of getting a #1 WR in becomes that much easier.

As for the future 1st rounders - Who the hell knows what will happen in the future. Players could be traded, picks could be moved around, We still have 2nd / 3rd rounders those years. Anything could happen.

If you don't like the price, take a look back over the game day threads of the past few years. Remind yourself how bad we need a QB. If you haven't killed yourself after reading them, realise this move WAS essential.

This move reignites the Washington Redskins.

[ddub52]

What if the Colts take Griffin instead? Or what if the Colts decide to shop the number one pick since they saw how much we gave up for the 2 spot and some team moves up to 1 and takes Griffin? I could live with Luck, but I dont think he brings the dynamic that Griffin does.

[Skins4Life6388]

Wow - fantastic news to wake up to.

The price to get him - well, it is what it is.

We still have a 3rd & 2x 4th's this year - plus $50m in cap space. Plus RG3. Plus I believe the task of getting a #1 WR in becomes that much easier.

As for the future 1st rounders - Who the hell knows what will happen in the future. Players could be traded, picks could be moved around, We still have 2nd / 3rd rounders those years. Anything could happen.

If you don't like the price, take a look back over the game day threads of the past few years. Remind yourself how bad we need a QB. If you haven't killed yourself after reading them, realise this move WAS essential.

This move reignites the Washington Redskins.

Couldn't agree with you more. There is true hope at this point and its a great feeling

[ThE B MaN]

Heres a better way to look at it...if he doesn't work out,by the time we find that out (cause he will get at least 3 years to develop) we will be in a draft with a full set of picks....now start celebrating you can thank me later


Lol yeah, a completely failed trade where we give the farm for one guy will be justified 3 years down the road, just cus we will finally have a full draft again. I dunno if I agree with that logic...

[Burgold]

Like many I've got mixed feelings. I hope this isn't the Herschel Walker trade revisited. The Vikings traded the bank thinking that one guy would set up them for the Superbowl. Instead, it set up the Cowboys for a decade... or the Ricky Williams trade.

On the other hand, it would be nice if it were the Eli Manning trade.

Regardless, that's a ton of potential to trade away for one guy. One thing I want to say is that despite the price... let the kid be a rookie. He's going to learn, screw up, and make mistakes. We'll probably have another losing season. Almost all rookie qbs flounder. Take a deep breath when that happens...

Not sure what to think... whoosh. Kinda like the gambler mentality though. Nice to see all the chips in the middle of the table. Just got to find out how the dice land.

[IONTOP]

Lol yeah, a completely failed trade where we give the farm for one guy will be justified 3 years down the road, just cus we will finally have a full draft again. I dunno if I agree with that logic...

I'd rather be a Redskins fan today than a Browns fan!!!!

[TheGreek1973]

What if the Colts take Griffin instead? Or what if the Colts decide to shop the number one pick since they saw how much we gave up for the 2 spot and some team moves up to 1 and takes Griffin? I could live with Luck, but I dont think he brings the dynamic that Griffin does.

I would want RGIII over Luck also but come on dude, Luck has been projected as the best prospect since Elway. This is what makes this move risk free from the point of view that whoever the Colts pick (or any other team if they trade out) we are going to land a college QB with insane upside.

Another thing that I read is what if RGIII turns out to be Ryan Leaf. People please. Both Luck and RGIII have more character, dedication, and hard work ethic in their piss than Leaf had in his entire being. The only thing that scares the crap out of me is injury. PLEASE dear God you slapped us with the worse possible senario when ST was taken from us. Give us a healthy RGIII for the next 15 years.

[AzSkinsFan63]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az5ptzohlcw&feature=g-u-u&context=g2160873fuaaaaaaacaa


wow!!!!!!

[FrFan]

2 firsts and a second, that is too much. I really hope he is going to play among the elite for the long run (and avoiding major injuries), unless chaos will be around the corner for years to come.
I wish him the best of luck because he is going to face extra pressure due to this trade and will always be compared to Luck.

[windsofcreation]

3 firsts and a second, that is too much. I really hope he is going to play among the elite for the long run (and avoiding major injuries), unless chaos will be around the corner for years to come.

It's really only 2 firsts and a second man. Think about it. We just swapped picks this year from 6 to 2. You really consider that to be "giving up a first"?

[ThE B MaN]

I'd rather be a Redskins fan today than a Browns fan!!!!

I feel ya. Believe me, I am hoping this will work out just as much as everyone else, but this really does make me nervous. If it wasn't for our past tendency to bet the farm on guys, I wouldn't be nearly as nervous. This move just reminds me too much of the side of the redskins we have grown to hate over the years, and I just PRAY that this doesn't turn out to be another one of those moments. Its been shown time and time again that you truly NEVER know what a QB is going to do once he gets into the NFL.

I think if we had just given the three 1'st rounders straight up, then id feel a good bit better about it. But considering we still have some glaring holes to fill, ESPECIALLY at RT, I do NOT like us giving our 2nd rounder from this year. Having that pick this year really would have given us a decent chance of filling in a hole that needs filled. Now that we will get RG3, we NEEDED that pick. I just believe it is far too much to risk on one guy, when you plain don't know how it is going to pan out.

I would have been plenty happy with us playing the trade down game that we played last year, and filling some needs. If this doesn't work out, it would be interesting to ponder what could have been had we still had those picks. More than anything, im sick of having to wonder if were going to be good, instead of having a good feeling that we will be good. Im sick of the gambling and the guessing games. We never seem to stay on track and build a team the proven way - building through a smart draft and not making huge, insane gambles with big trades.

[Bigmuss1]

I'm having a hard time understanding any of the "too much to trade" feelings or "remember this such and such blockbuster deal that screwed up X organization." All I have to do is remember how I felt during the season last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before...I think you get my point, the time is finally here where we have addressed the one position in our organization that has let us down for so many years. I don't even care if he pans out or not, at least with this kid there is a chance he might. There was and will always be no chance with Rex Grossman, John Beck (list all Qb's over the past 15 years.) So all of you Debbie downers, wake up! Realize we will now have a weapon standing behind center.

[Glenn X]

Giving up that first-rounder in 2014 stings, but it's what was necessary to keep Griffin (or Luck, perhaps) from donning the Orange & Brown in Ohio. It's obviously a high-risk/high-reward move, but it was necessary after all the failed experiments at QB with journeymen players over the past couple decades.

[Bigmuss1]

Oh yeah, that's the other thing buggin me about this trade...It's not 3 first rounders!!!! We simply swapped picks this year!!! Get a clue!!

[DameronSkins]

Couldn't be happier....we have cap space to fill in the holes through free agency and now we know what we have to work with. Hail!!!

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

FORTUNE FAVORS THE BOLD. It's gonna be fun!

[Zazzaro703]

I'm having a hard time understanding any of the "too much to trade" feelings or "remember this such and such blockbuster deal that screwed up X organization." All I have to do is remember how I felt during the season last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before...I think you get my point, the time is finally here where we have addressed the one position in our organization that has let us down for so many years. I don't even care if he pans out or not, at least with this kid there is a chance he might. There was and will always be no chance with Rex Grossman, John Beck (list all Qb's over the past 15 years.) So all of you Debbie downers, wake up! Realize we will now have a weapon standing behind center.

Not to mention going into this season with an Orton, Tannenhil combo. My excitement for the Redskins after this year ended was at an all time low. Talk about a shot of adrenaline.

[scruffylookin]

Boy it's alot to give but going for a potential franchise QB justifies it.

I still prefer Luck but Griffin looks the part so I'm happy if we get him too.

My fear was that we would have to settle for reaching at 6, settle for second tier in the second round or worst of all decide to pass yet again on a QB early because the ones available when we picked were not worth that spot in the draft.

So kudos to the Redskins for going bold and going for a young franchise QB instead of another retread.

One nit to pick is people saying how the Giants don't regret the trade for Eli. As far as I'm concerned they still should. They had Phillip Rivers. They easily could/should have stayed with him, kept the picks and still have won 2 Super Bowls and maybe more. We did not have that luxury. If we didn't make this trade, there was no fallback franchise guy to have. As steep a price we paid, the Giants paid more to get Eli and unlike us they didn't have to in order to land a franchise QB.

[Burgold]

FORTUNE FAVORS THE BOLD. It's gonna be fun!

That's the part of me that really likes this move. You can't be a big winner the Marty way. Three yards and a cloud of dust and waiting for the other guy to make a mistake... gets you to average and gets you left behind in the playoffs.

The part of me that doesn't like this move is the snake bitten realist.... cautiously happy for the moment.

[ThE B MaN]

LOL if fortune favored the bold in the NFL, we would've had 3 superbowls in the 90's.



I get that we desperately needed someone under center, and I get that we have room to make moves in FA. Its the past that scares me. Maybe im too stuck in the past, but this smells of what has failed for us these past 20 years. For a good long while it was in our nature to trade away picks, and done most of our moves in FA, and look where that got us. I would love to believe that this time it will be different, but you cant blame me for being really nervous about this move.

I for once was becoming hopeful with how Shanahan started smartly building through the draft, and then this year he does the exact opposite. I just want us to stay on track for once. Some normalcy would be nice for this long time skins fan.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Interesting point about Rivers and the value of what they traded, but really it's all about us in this deal. We believe he's that guy, and we made it happen. Now, we get to see what he could do.

[FrFan]

It's really only 2 firsts and a second man. Think about it. We just swapped picks this year from 6 to 2. You really consider that to be "giving up a first"?

Sorry, typo error, my bad (fixed). It seems that the price went up with the browns in the mix. From now on we will be compared with the Rams.

[skinsfan_1215]

Steep price but I 100% support it.

[Last Fan Standing]

Clearly I picked the wrong night to turn in early. Just woke up to see this and woke up the entire house cheering. Like others, I think 3 first rounders is a steep price. But Adam Schefter reported (on Sports Center) that the Browns were on the verge of giving up something similar and after the deal was made the Browns were offering to match with their 2 first rounders this year. If the alternative to getting RGIII was getting outbid then I am proud of the Skins' FO for getting this done. I can't imagine waking up this morning to a report that the Browns were moving up. I would have lost it.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

LOL if fortune favored the bold in the NFL, we would've had 3 superbowls in the 90's.

Yeah I hear ya, but this is a little different in that he's the bonafide second best player in this draft and we went up to get him, at the most important position in the game, which has been our weakness for 2 decades. So yeah, a little different than our other "bold" moves.

[ThE B MaN]

Yeah I hear ya, but this is a little different in that he's the bonafide second best player in this draft and we went up to get him, at the most important position in the game, which has been our weakness for 2 decades. So yeah, a little different than our other "bold" moves.

You do have a point there. Looking back, some of the moves we made back then look boneheaded compared to this one. But hindsight is 20/20. I don't think anything can keep me from being nervous about this though. It has almost become an involuntary thing for me at this point, to be nervous going into a season, and this move definitely doesn't do anything to qualm that. Ive just seen too many risky moves out of this franchise.

Only time will tell I suppose. Whats done is done. I hope RG3 blows my expectations out of the water. I will be one ecstatic Redskins fan if he does. I just PRAY we can somehow find us a solid RT.... that is now my biggest concern.

[CantonBound]

Sam Bradford was a spread passer.


Basically, today's NFL is spread-passer friendly. Catch up.

Bingo! Quit living' in the 90's, folks. The spread translates to the nfl much better nowadays - the teams that adjust to this quickly have the edge.

[That Redskins Fan]

Well I am going back t0 nyc for the draft

and i urge redskin nation to drench nyc Burgundy And Gold

Welcome rg3 like we only can

[DameronSkins]

Bet we will get a couple prime time games now as well....although we usually those.

[Burgold]

You guys are going to be so disappointed when they announce that Nose Tackles name that people were thinking we'd pick with the 6

[Chris21]

Will deals be reached with Luck and RGIII prior to the draft? Not sure how much leverage rookie players have with the new CBA but say Luck is not thrilled about going to Indy and won't sign prior to the draft.....

[LD0506]

Well damn!............. stunning news to process BC (before coffee) but the one lucid thought I have right now is that Allen and Shanahan would not have made this move in desperation, they must genuinely believe in the kid that much. I can't constantly say that I have faith in this regime and then second guess their biggest decision ever.

WELCOME TO DC ROB! You're gonna love bein loved here, you aren't going to have fans, you'll have worshippers :ols:

And second Burg's comment, he's a rook, he'll have growing pains and we owe him one down season whether it is this one or a sophomore slump or whatever.

[zskins]

Rejoice! RG3 will be a Redskin!

Unless the Colts decide to get him instead.

[TheGreek1973]

OK just to recap. Was this price high? None of us know yet, and will not know for a couple of years. BUT

2004:
The Giants sent 2 first round picks, a third round pick, and a fifth round pick to the Chargers for Eli Manning.

Also sending the Chargers the 4th pick in the Draft, Philip Rivers.

Now look at Eli coming out of college and please tell me if he was any where near RGIII's athletic talent. The other essentials like character, work ethic, smarts, etc lets just say they are even (even though I would argue in favor of RGIII in a lot of them). so someone please tell me why we have given too much. Remember other than the Manning name that Eli had, the same unknows existed for him.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

I'd also add a comment that Mike Shanahan made some weeks ago - That in his opinion the key components for a contending team are QB,LT & Pass Rushers.

RG3 aged 22
Trent Williams aged 23
Ryan Kerrigan aged 23

Added to this, alot has been spoken on the potenial of Jarvis Jenkins as well.

We may have sacrificed some high price picks for this #2 pick, but you can't fault this FO for targeting the areas it believe will make us contenders in the draft.

We could be set fair for YEARS.

[Major Harris]

It's really only 2 firsts and a second man. Think about it. We just swapped picks this year from 6 to 2.

that's what i say.

i am behind this move 100%. i am excited to have something to be excited about at the qb position. our best qb over the last 15 years has been brad johnson. i liked him, but not very exciting.

[Brianbien83]

Will deals be reached with Luck and RGIII prior to the draft? Not sure how much leverage rookie players have with the new CBA but say Luck is not thrilled about going to Indy and won't sign prior to the draft.....

I'm pretty sure that in the old CBA, only the first pick could officially agree to terms before the draft. I'm not sure if it is the same in the new CBA. And I'm pretty sure that rookies have little leverage. I'm not sure what the difference in guaranteed money is between the first and second pick, but I think there is a cap. Luck would definitely be losing money if he refused to become the #1 pick in Indy.

[Trevor]

Way too much for Griffin, IMO. For Luck I would be fine with it as to me he is the vastly superior prospect.

[Chris21]

I'm pretty sure that in the old CBA, only the first pick could officially agree to terms before the draft. I'm not sure if it is the same in the new CBA. And I'm pretty sure that rookies have little leverage. I'm not sure what the difference in guaranteed money is between the first and second pick, but I think there is a cap. Luck would definitely be losing money if he refused to become the #1 pick in Indy.

Interesting. Thanks

[Major Harris]

2004:
The Giants sent 2 first round picks, a third round pick, and a fifth round pick to the Chargers for Eli Manning.

Also sending the Chargers the 4th pick in the Draft, Philip Rivers.



so the only difference is we gave up a 2nd instead of a 3rd, but we didn't give up a 5th...

great deal. :wave:

[DexterSackMachine]

I still feel the price tag was a little high, but I'm thrilled that we'll be getting RG3. He looks like a beast.

[Tay]

I was just dreaming about RG3 practicing with Moss, Hank, and VJax. Just woke up and still feel like I'm dreaming. This is great!

[FrFan]

OK just to recap. Was this price high? None of us know yet, and will not know for a couple of years. BUT

2004:
The Giants sent 2 first round picks, a third round pick, and a fifth round pick to the Chargers for Eli Manning.

Also sending the Chargers the 4th pick in the Draft, Philip Rivers.

Now look at Eli coming out of college and please tell me if he was any where near RGIII's athletic talent. The other essentials like character, work ethic, smarts, etc lets just say they are even (even though I would argue in favor of RGIII in a lot of them). so someone please tell me why we have given too much. Remember other than the Manning name that Eli had, the same unknows existed for him.

The difference being the price we paid, they traded up for the 1st pick and they gave only one first to the Chargers (beside swapping firsts) and no 2nd.
#1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft): San Diego → New York Giants. San Diego traded Manning to the New York Giants in exchange for Philip Rivers and the Giants' third round selection in this draft (#65) and their first and fifth-round selections in 2005.
Eli was nowhere near his brother too, but yet he has one more ring. I believe the team makes the QB not the other way around.

[ThE B MaN]

If we can somehow pull a solid RT out of this draft, ill feel a lot better about this. Our other needs should have no problem being filled through FA, so im not too worried about that.

[Flycoach]

"winning!"

[DexterSackMachine]

The upside of the draft picks that we gave up is that we only lost one pick out of each draft.

[KingGibbs]

I just don't understand why they would give up a king's ransom for Griffin. We had a chance of some great QB competition with Orton, Grossman and Beck.





When you read the above it doesn't sound so bad that we gave up those 2 1st rounders, does it? We had no choice. Anything less and there was no hope. The team and the fans just received a much needed shot in the arm.

Like I've mentioned before, if there was a year to sacrifice picks to get that franchise QB it was this year because of our salary cap space. Now, we get to have fun watching Shanny and Allen fill our needs withsolid FA's just like last year.

[Alaskins]

Count me as excited. I can't think of a draft in recent memory that has had a 1 and 1a like Luck and Griff.

We are in the drivers seat now folks. We get Griff just when Vick, Romo, and to a lesser extent Eli are starting to show their age.

[Trippster]

Cowboys fans are crapping their pants right now. :)

---------- Post added March-10th-2012 at 11:57 AM ----------

2013 and 2014 will be very low picks. :)

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Can we just stop worrying about how this compares to the Giants & their trade for Eli nearly a decade ago.

Lets enjoy the moment. This was the perfect time to go get our guy. And it looks like we have.

[ThE B MaN]

2013 and 2014 will be very low picks. :)


Thats a pretty big assumption don't you think?

[Brianbien83]

Can we just stop worrying about how this compares to the Giants & their trade for Eli nearly a decade ago.

Lets enjoy the moment. This was the perfect time to go get our guy. And it looks like we have.

True story. The rules were different then, and high picks are worth more now because of the control teams have over the money parceled out to the top guys. There was a lot of talk about that last year, also, and looking at the disparity between the Bradford and Newton deals.

[wrecker]

i just thought of something dumb,

another reason to call rg3, rg3, because he is worth 3 first rounders. So his new name is robert griffin 3 1'st rounders. Hehehehe. I am really happy that we got him.

rg3x3?

[Madison Redskin]

So we traded two 1st round picks and one high 2nd round pick to move up four spots? Unless Griffin is a monster, this will go down as one of the worst trades of all time.

[IONTOP]

So we traded two 1st round picks and one high 2nd round pick to move up four spots? Unless Griffin is a monster, this will go down as one of the worst trades of all time.

Feel free to list all the picks we've wasted trying to either replace or make up for the lack of a franchise QB....

[LD0506]

It is just beyond me how anyone that considers themselves a Skins fan is not just giddy right now. We can dissect this later, and will for years to come but now, right this moment, there should be dancing in the streets.

[Beshires1]

It is just beyond me how anyone that considers themselves a Skins fan is not just giddy right now. We can dissect this later, and will for years to come but now, right this moment, there should be dancing in the streets.

:maniac:If ya ain't on the boat by now then let go of the side and sink! We are Redskins from helmet to cleats, to the last man on the roster we fight, we fight, WE fight, WE FIGHT!!! Hail to the Redskins!

[Madison Redskin]

Feel free to list all the picks we've wasted trying to either replace or make up for the lack of a franchise QB....

Those mistakes are completely irrelevant to the question of whether this decision is a good one. I like RGIII a lot, but I'm very, very concerned about the level of compensation. If I we're GM, I probably would have bowed out at two 1sts and a 2nd. That doesn't mean the decision is wrong; it just means the FO (or Danny) have a ton of faith in RGIII, or are just that desperate to land a QB.

[KingGibbs]

So we traded two 1st round picks and one high 2nd round pick to move up four spots? Unless Griffin is a monster, this will go down as one of the worst trades of all time.

That distinction goes to the Pukes for trading TWO 1st rounders for JOEY FRIGGIN' GALLOWAY.:ols:

[FrFan]

Cowboys fans are crapping their pants right now. :)

---------- Post added March-10th-2012 at 11:57 AM ----------

2013 and 2014 will be very low picks. :)
1 Very true :D
2 I like your optimism :)

[GOSKN5]

It was time for this franchise to take a risk like this on a player with TONS of upside....

this is not like the risks with high paying old FAs, or looney ex QB coaches.... this sort of move can shape a franchise, and honestly if he busts, yea the trade goes down as horrible... but the other end of that scenario if he is a franchise QB who can lead this team for the next 10+ years... yeah I am not a gambler, but I like the chances......

[wilco_holland]

It´s not that I don´t like it....it´s more that it freaks me out. You put so much on the line for one persone, who is 6 months older then me. Can this guy handle the pressure. Everything he does will be followed closely by the media and fans. The pressure will be extreme.

Just a thought. If RGIII is worth this much...how about Colts picking him instead of Luck?

[KingGibbs]

It is going to be fun watching Griffin run those bootlegs

[snafu]

good morning!!!!!! what a great way to start the day

[FrFan]

Just a thought. If RGIII is worth this much...how about Colts picking him instead of Luck?
Means that they value Luck more, until he is going to pull an Eli on them ;)

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

It is just beyond me how anyone that considers themselves a Skins fan is not just giddy right now. We can dissect this later, and will for years to come but now, right this moment, there should be dancing in the streets.

Couldn't agree more. To recap ;

We will draft RG3. Worst case, we end up with Andrew Luck :ols:

We still have a 3rd, plus two 4th's in the 2012 draft. Plenty of scope for drafting depth there.

In the 2013 & 2014 draft, I believe we still have all picks outside of the 1st round.

We have about $50m in cap space.

[glongest]

I can summarize all 72 pages that have been written in four words. ONLY TIME WILL TELL

For those on this board who are taking the position that it is really only 2 first rounders and a second, you are simply wrong. We will be using one first rounder to make the selection. You are trading 2 number ones and a number two. If you assume that your first round and second round picks become contributing starters and they should, then however you add that up, you get one starter in exchange for four starters. You can't look at it any other way. Not saying it is bad, just saying.

Now the final and most important question that I have not seen posted yet. Will he be the starter on opering day?

[CrabR]

I think RG3 will be exciting to watch. Then I realize the price we paid for him. Our answer is to build the rest through FA and if there is one thing we have proved the past 20 yrs is building through FA does not work. I have been against trading our draft picks since George Allen used to give them away. Look at the perennial contenders and they have stayed on top thorough the draft. Would we have traded Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis, Jenkins, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo for RG3? Well in essence that is what we have just did. This year we still need a ILB,CB,SS,DE, OG,RT,C,WRs and blocking TE.

[ixcuincle]

Advantages

- Young QB
- Redskins have room under the cap to make some FA acquisitions

Disadvantages

- Gave up a ton to pick him up
- Team is not exactly surrounded with talent, OL is mediocre
- Griffin is a project QB and raw
- Griffin may not fit the Shanahan coaching scheme, or Kyle Shanahan's playcalling

I have been very hard on the Shanahans the last couple of months because so far, they're garbage. They finally have a quarterback now. The dividends if he pays off are massive. The ramifications of failure are also massive. It is a big deal for the Redskins, one that they did not necessarily have to pull off. The team is desperate for a legitimate quarterback, but this may have been too much to pay. Redskins fans hope it works out.

[LD0506]

Couldn't agree more. To recap ;

We will draft RG3. Worst case, we end up with Andrew Luck :ols:

We still have a 3rd, plus two 4th's in the 2012 draft. Plenty of scope for drafting depth there.

In the 2013 & 2014 draft, I believe we still have all picks outside of the 1st round.

We have about $50m in cap space.

And we have pros in charge that have already shown themselves adept at trading and drafting to make the most of their assets.

Along with a ton of unrealized potential already on the roster. Call me a dreamer but I think this makes it likely that some of our young talent gets fired up to want to be a part of it all now, gives them a huge psychological boost. Forget signing big name FA WRs, let's see a young team grow together and do something special.

[Destructis]

Now I am depressed. I have to wait until he gets here to figure out what number jersey I need to buy. September is still six months away.

Why does bad **** always happen to me?

/sigh

[redskinss]

One thing that confuses me.
We have a handshake deal in place until Tuesday cause that's when the leauge year starts.
Did we not in essence just drop our pants down in front of the browns.
What's to stop them from saying ok now we know what we have to beat and we have until Tuesday to do it.

Or is this handshake deal binding?

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

We will be using one first rounder to make the selection. You are trading 2 number ones and a number two. If you assume that your first round and second round picks become contributing starters and they should, then however you add that up, you get one starter in exchange for four starters. You can't look at it any other way. Not saying it is bad, just saying.


Wrong. You are talking about two different calculations. What you mention is kind of an evaluation of Griffin alone.

What people are complaining about (and others are correcting) is the transaction cost to acquiring Griffin.

For a moment, pretend that Griffin fell to #6. Well, we would grab him. That's a given. There's a chance we'd grab Tannehill or whatever. Anyway, the point is, you CANNOT COUNT the pick you would have USED ANYWAY if that player were available in the "price" to move up to get him.

If you look at it like a T sheet, the "Net Worth" of what is involved is 2 #1 picks and a #2. The two swapped picks balance out.

Now 5-10 years from now, you can pretend that we had a chance at someone else, and then throw in that pick from THIS year in the first as an evaluative measure. BUt you CANNOT include it in the cost or net value calculation of this trade.

[Last Fan Standing]

One thing that confuses me.
We have a handshake deal in place until Tuesday cause that's when the leauge year starts.
Did we not in essence just drop our pants down in front of the browns.
What's to stop them from saying ok now we know what we have to beat and we have until Tuesday to do it.

Or is this handshake deal binding?

According to Schefter (Sports Center) the Browns already offered to match the deal with a higher pick this year 4 instead of 6 and another first rounder this year and the Rams said no. The Rams said that they have already agreed to a deal with the Skins and aren't going to break it.

[redskinss]

According to Schefter (Sports Center) the Browns already offered to match the deal with a higher pick this year 4 instead of 6 and another first rounder this year and the Rams said no. The Rams said that they have already agreed to a deal with the Skins and aren't going to break it.

How noble of them.
Why would they be so stupid?
Fischer and shanny may be friends but this is buisness.
Plus you get a better offer to trade him out of conference, something smells fishy about that story.

If the browns offered two firsts and a second this year plus next years first essentialy matching our picks but
Beating our offer then I don't believe that story one bit.

[PeterMP]

It is just beyond me how anyone that considers themselves a Skins fan is not just giddy right now. We can dissect this later, and will for years to come but now, right this moment, there should be dancing in the streets.
And I don't understand this line of thinking.

We've paid a huge costs to take a chance. A chance that if doesn't work out for any reason, including injury, will set this franchise back 5 years.

Redskins fans should be praying this morning.

I don't know anything about Griffin so I don't really know if this is a good trade or not, but it is a chance.

[Dana87]

WEEK 1

Eli Manning -- 31 years old
Michael Vick -- 32 years old
Tony Romo -- 32 years old
Robert Griffin -- 22 years old

Wow...:) first time I considered that.

[Last Fan Standing]

Advantages

- Young QB
- Redskins have room under the cap to make some FA acquisitions

Disadvantages

- Gave up a ton to pick him up
- Team is not exactly surrounded with talent, OL is mediocre
- Griffin is a project QB and raw
- Griffin may not fit the Shanahan coaching scheme, or Kyle Shanahan's playcalling
.

Where do you get that Griffin is "a project QB and raw?" I have heard that he will have to adjust to playing under Center (like most college QBs coming out these days) and that he may need to work on his footwork but a project? raw? I haven't seen or read anything that supports that but maybe I'm missing something so please share.

[Destructis]

How noble of them.
Why would they be so stupid?
Fischer and shanny may be friends but this is buisness.
Plus you get a better offer to trade him out of conference, something smells fishy about that story.

Fisher is smart enough to know that the only thing you really have is your word. ****ing over other teams or people will always come back to bite you in the ass.

[PeterMP]

Feel free to list all the picks we've wasted trying to either replace or make up for the lack of a franchise QB....
The fact that we haven't won games isn't the fault of those picks necessarily. We are paying a cost for refusing to completely break the team down and going 2-14 or whatever.

[mistertim]

How noble of them.
Why would they be so stupid?
Fischer and shanny may be friends but this is buisness.
Plus you get a better offer to trade him out of conference, something smells fishy about that story.

If the browns offered two firsts and a second this year plus next years first essentialy matching our picks but
Beating our offer then I don't believe that story one bit.

I suppose I can see where you're coming from but perhaps Fisher is a man of his word and it means something to him? Maybe his friendship with Shanahan actually did come in to play.

[Dana87]

How noble of them.
Why would they be so stupid?
Fischer and shanny may be friends but this is buisness.
Plus you get a better offer to trade him out of conference, something smells fishy about that story.

If the browns offered two firsts and a second this year plus next years first essentialy matching our picks but
Beating our offer then I don't believe that story one bit.

These kind of deal are made all the time. Once both teams have agreed on a deal, it would be avery bad idea to break it over another offer. No one would ever deal with you in good faith again. It would be like being a stock broker with bad credit.

[Mad Mike]

How noble of them.
Why would they be so stupid?
Fischer and shanny may be friends but this is buisness.
Plus you get a better offer to trade him out of conference, something smells fishy about that story.

If the browns offered two firsts and a second this year plus next years first essentialy matching our picks but
Beating our offer then I don't believe that story one bit.

A) Believe it or not, even in business honor has a place.
B) Remind me never to go into business with you.

[redskinss]

Fisher is smart enough to know that the only thing you really have is your word. ****ing over other teams or people will always come back to bite you in the ass.

God bless him and I'm as excited as the next guy to finnaly get our franchise qb but I'm glad he's not running our team.

If the situations were reversed and we had a chance to get better value and send him to another conference. But didn't because
Of honor then I'd be pissed.
I value honor and integrity but this is a dog eat dog buisness.

[Kirk Cousins' Cousins]

Both owners have signed off on the trade. It's not a handshake deal but rather sealed with signatures and will be official Tuesday

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I don't know anything about Griffin so I don't really know if this is a good trade or not, but it is a chance.

This line would have sufficed.

But the entire draft is merely a "chance." Signing a FA like Haynesworth is a sure thing. Except when it isn't.

[redskinss]

These kind of deal are made all the time. Once both teams have agreed on a deal, it would be avery bad idea to break it over another offer. No one would ever deal with you in good faith again. It would be like being a stock broker with bad credit.

I see.your point on that one.

[skull1669]

This is great news to wake up to!!! For all those who think we gave up too much, shut up, sit down, fasten your seat belt, and enjoy the ride!!!

[frostyj]

And I don't understand this line of thinking.

We've paid a huge costs to take a chance. A chance that if doesn't work out for any reason, including injury, will set this franchise back 5 years.

Redskins fans should be praying this morning.

I don't know anything about Griffin so I don't really know if this is a good trade or not, but it is a chance.

Every draft pick is a chance, so there is not much argument there. Who's to say the 3 picks traded would turn into beast starters and not prone to injury?

[HogNose]

Will Griffin get his #10 from Gaffney? or do you think he will pick something else? Wearing a Redskin QB jersey proudly would be a nice change. ;)

[Last Fan Standing]

How noble of them.
Why would they be so stupid?
Fischer and shanny may be friends but this is buisness.
Plus you get a better offer to trade him out of conference, something smells fishy about that story.

If the browns offered two firsts and a second this year plus next years first essentialy matching our picks but
Beating our offer then I don't believe that story one bit.

Personally - I don't think it's stupid at all. I think it's sound business practice to stick to agreements you reach. Think of it this way - suppose the Redskins could back out of the trade up until the draft. Not sure if the rules allow this but the draft hasn't happened yet so suppose we have until the draft to back out and we wait until the Browns pick up Flynn and Miami picks up Peyton (through free agency) and we decide at that point that we are going to back out of the deal and re-negotiate for less draft picks or force the Rams to keep the pick -- or trade down lower than they want to like Seattle. One could argue that it's "business" so we could do that, but no deals would ever get done if teams were operating like this. I'm sure when we offered 3 first round picks and a second we made it plain that it was take it or leave it -- no more negotiating we reach a deal right now or we walk away leaving them to deal only with the Browns and the Rams said yes. It would be bad business for the Rams to agree then walk away from that agreement.

[SnyderShrugged]

I'll bet that we end up getting one of those 1st back again via another trade down the line in maybe next year or the year after.

Another thing the virtually guarantees is a wild Free Agency period for us this season too!

[mistertim]

Just out of curiosity, for those who know about this stuff...how binding is this deal? Is it something where it is in ink and the Rams can't back out or is it something of a "handshake" deal until the 13th?

[FrFan]

Now the final and most important question that I have not seen posted yet. Will he be the starter on opering day?
He has no choice than to start right away, no time to learn, no QB to groom him, last but not least he has Shanahan's future in his hands.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I'm really happy that we have made the move to number 2. Griffin is a rare talent. Intelligence, drive, accuracy, athleticism. The whole 9 yards. Plus he's a local kid from my vantage point. No first rounders for the next two drafts stings, but there isn't a position as hard as Franchise QB to fill. You gotta do what you gotta do. If Griffin works out he will be the first real Franchise QB I've seen in my lifetime as a fan. I've been watching since Theismann was under center. It's just been one guy after another. No 10 year starter. I'm really excited.

[Kirk Cousins' Cousins]

See my post above. It is not a handshake deal. That would not be binding. Both owners have signed off on the trade and it is binding and will be official Tuesday. I'd link where I read this but I've been reading all over the internet and don't remember where I read this. Suffice it to say the deal is done!

[Jumbo]

He has no choice than to start right away, no time to learn, no QB to groom him, last but not least his HC future in his hands.


Actually, there is absolutely no sense of urgency to start him immediately. If pre-season shows it's the thing to do it will happen. But it's not any dire necessity with the coaching staff.

[Tay]

He has no choice than to start right away, no time to learn, no QB to groom him, last but not least ha has Shanahan's future in his hands.

I think we will bring in a vet. Maybe Orton, as the trio suggested. He will start if he gives us the best chance to win Day 1. But god, I hope he starts

[TheGreek1973]

I think RG3 will be exciting to watch. Then I realize the price we paid for him. Our answer is to build the rest through FA and if there is one thing we have proved the past 20 yrs is building through FA does not work. I have been against trading our draft picks since George Allen used to give them away. Look at the perennial contenders and they have stayed on top thorough the draft. Would we have traded Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis, Jenkins, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo for RG3? Well in essence that is what we have just did. This year we still need a ILB,CB,SS,DE, OG,RT,C,WRs and blocking TE.

Valid point but here is a question for you. With Kerrigan, Jarvis, Jenkins, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and say another 4 that are just as good would we make the playoffs with a Rex or an Orton as QB? And its not 4 but 3 players because you know we were drafting a QB this year and sorry the drop in talent and potential to the 3rd rated QB this year IMO is HUGE. Now let me turn it around. We have the above players, we add a solid WR and CB in FA and we still have a 3rd, two 4ths this year to maybe land an ILB and OG that can start. If anything the two past years Allen and Shanny showed they have good judgement in picking in the middle rounds.

For me it all comes down to RGIII if he is an good to great QB this is worth it. if not its a mood point. But I tell you want I hate to have all those picks and even more if we wheel and deal as Allen has shown he can do and see RGIII become that QB a fan dreams about. And no doubt he has that upside.

[mistertim]

Cool. I wasn't necessarily doubting you. I was just wondering how binding the whole thing is since the date for doing these deals hasn't officially come yet.

[KingGibbs]

Actually, there is absolutely no sense of urgency to start him immediately. If pre-season shows it's the thing to do it will happen. But it's not any dire necessity with the coaching staff.

Especially with the stiff competition Griffin will face in John Beck.

[LD0506]

Actually, there is absolutely no sense of urgency to start him immediately. If pre-season shows it's the thing to do it will happen. But it's not any dire necessity with the coaching staff.

A level-headed reply but seriously, I would be surprised if he doesn't start. The entire OTA/minicamp/preseason routine will be geared towards getting him up to speed and adapting to him.

[FrFan]

Actually, there is absolutely no sense of urgency to start him immediately. If pre-season shows it's the thing to do it will happen. But it's not any dire necessity with the coaching staff.

Please, don't tell me we are going to start with Grossman/Beck, how about bringing in a better vet ?

[redskinss]

See my post above. It is not a handshake deal. That would not be binding. Both owners have signed off on the trade and it is binding and will be official Tuesday. I'd link where I read this but I've been reading all over the internet and don't remember where I read this. Suffice it to say the deal is done!

I guess that throws the whole honor code argument right in the garbage then.

[skinsarethebest]

One thing that confuses me.
We have a handshake deal in place until Tuesday cause that's when the leauge year starts.
Did we not in essence just drop our pants down in front of the browns.
What's to stop them from saying ok now we know what we have to beat and we have until Tuesday to do it.

Or is this handshake deal binding?

I think for all practical purposes it is binding. I'm not sure what the remedy would be, but if the Rams tried to back out at this stage, I think there would be something the Skins could do to enforce the agreement. Whether that would involve the NFL stepping in, or even having to go to court to get an injunction, is something I don't know the answer to. Nevertheless, I think it would be pretty difficult for the Rams to try to renege. And besides, they would totally screw themselves in the process if they did, because they would basically lose all credibility in the future, for future deals, with the rest of the teams in the NFL if they tried to pull something like that

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

Please, don't tell me we are going to start with Grossman/Beck, how about bringing in a better vet ?

Kyle Orton...ole neckbeard himself

[Tay]

I think for all practical purposes it is binding. I'm not sure what the remedy would be, but if the Rams tried to back out at this stage, I think there would be something the Skins could do to enforce the agreement. Whether that would involve the NFL stepping in, or even having to go to court to get an injunction, is something I don't know the answer to. Nevertheless, I think it would be pretty difficult for the Rams to try to renege. And besides, they would totally screw themselves in the process if they did, because they would basically lose all credibility in the future, for future deals, with the rest of the teams in the NFL if they tried to pull something like that

The owners have signed off and it was submitted to the league. Done deal

[jobaga]

Kyle Shannahan has to be the happiest man in the organization. If (and when) this move pans out, Kyle will get to show everyone what his offense can do and what kind of play caller he is. He will be the head coach of a perennial playoff team with a superstar at QB. If this move doesn't work out, its not his fault...

[Kirk Cousins' Cousins]

RG3 is incredibly smart and a very fast learner. Malleable too. While I think that at this point we don't have to anoint him as the starter, come September he will be starting. he will be ready. The fans will want it too. Plus with all the picks we have up, mike will want to show off his new toy!

[TheRookie]

For what it's worth, my random thoughts so far are...

1. I'm glad the 2nd rounder is this year. Like someone else pointed out, JJ coming back helps mitigate that. I also like getting that "pain" out of the way now.
2. I wonder if we're still looking at Orton (or some other vet) as a stop-gap.
3. This doesn't feel like giving up picks in the past. To me, this FO has done enough to show they wouldn't make this kind of move without a lot of calculation. I'm giving them credit for weighing the costs, the alternatives, a way forward (without the picks), the benefits, and the market price. And, ultimately, deciding this was the move to make.
4. Hoping people don't expect much to start -- remember Peyton's first season. I know Cam and Andy D. are fresh in people's minds, but they still need to do it for more than 1 year.
5. Our free agent moves last season give me some comfort with what we will do now to help make up for what we're losing.
6. Overall, I'm a lot more comfortable with this deal than I thought I would be. Part of me hates to be "that guy" giving up so much. At the same time, though, it's nice not feeling like we're settling for 2nd best.
7. I'm definitely excited to see what this kid can do. At the end of the day, for better or worse, I'm a Skins fan. Nothing was gonna change that. But, I'm feeling that much better about it this morning.

[walker77]

I must not have given the skins the credit they deserved last year. They MUST have only been one player away from making a legitimate Super Bowl run since they were willing to trade the next 3 drafts!

[Crazy Levi]

Man...not having a 1st round pick until 2015 is gonna be brutal.

This better work out.

[hiswadeness]

Give a lot to get a lot...I hope

[Blue Collar Skins]

Advantages

- Young QB
- Redskins have room under the cap to make some FA acquisitions

Disadvantages

- Gave up a ton to pick him up
- Team is not exactly surrounded with talent, OL is mediocre
- Griffin is a project QB and raw
- Griffin may not fit the Shanahan coaching scheme, or Kyle Shanahan's playcalling

I have been very hard on the Shanahans the last couple of months because so far, they're garbage. They finally have a quarterback now. The dividends if he pays off are massive. The ramifications of failure are also massive. It is a big deal for the Redskins, one that they did not necessarily have to pull off. The team is desperate for a legitimate quarterback, but this may have been too much to pay. Redskins fans hope it works out.We gave up 2 1st Round Picks and a 2nd. If you sign a RFA with a high tender, don't you have to give up 2 1st Round Picks? But honestly you never see any teams prize QB get to that point because instead of tendering them they usually Franchise them. So, teams feel a franchise QB is worth more than 3 1st Rounders since they probably drafted the QB in the 1st Round in the first place.

Also your disadvantages are so biased it is not even funny. The offense is designed around a quarterback that can be mobile (Think Steve Young) which Robert Griffin fits exactly. The mediocre OL helped propel Helu and Royster to have fantastic Yards Per Carry. Do we need to get a Guard and Tackle to shore it up? Yes, but there are two very good ones in Free Agency this year: Carl Nicks and Jared Gaither. On Denfense we are pretty solid, except at the SS position but honestly I don't think we are falling off much by letting Landry go.


True story. The rules were different then, and high picks are worth more now because of the control teams have over the money parceled out to the top guys. There was a lot of talk about that last year, also, and looking at the disparity between the Bradford and Newton deals. I think that is an awesome point and I was thinking the same thing. When the Manning Rivers deal was done, there was no Rookie Salary Structure in place so higher picks for trade could really set you back, but since we have that now, it won't set you back so the picks are worth more.

---------- Post added March-10th-2012 at 08:43 AM ----------


I must not have given the skins the credit they deserved last year. They MUST have only been one player away from making a legitimate Super Bowl run since they were willing to trade the next 3 drafts!Overreact much? And it's the next two drafts, the first rounds. If you think a whole draft is just the first round then there is something more than just overreacting.

[Catatonic]

OK, I'm cautiously very optimistic!


Kyle Shannahan has to be the happiest man in the organization. If (and when) this move pans out, Kyle will get to show everyone what his offense can do and what kind of play caller he is. He will be the head coach of a perennial playoff team with a superstar at QB. If this move doesn't work out, its not his fault...

I don't think so. If anything, it puts Kyle in a position of having to show what his offense can do with a real QB. If this whole thing fails, Kyle is going down with it, regardless if he has nothing to do with the pick. The franchise will give up on Kyle before they can afford to give up on RG3.

[HigSkin]

FWIW - people wondering about the pick cost, competition heated up last night.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/at-last-minute-browns-tried-and-failed-to-trade-for-rams-pick/

At last minute, Browns tried and failed to trade for Rams’ pick

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that before the Redskins-Rams deal was reported, the Browns tried to make a last-minute push to acquire the Rams’ No. 2 overall pick for themselves. But the Browns weren’t able to get it done.

[Jumbo]

Please, don't tell me we are going to start with Grossman/Beck, how about bringing in a better vet ?

We will be looking for another QB. Orton is often mentioned,obviously---but they will seek someone to compete with Rex/Beck for #2 even if they have to start for awhile (with Beck obviously the most expendable, and both are expendable of course, but Rex is not viewed by team-mates and coaches nearly as horrifically as most fans view him). But the coach would have no issue with starting Rex for a few or more games if it was deemed to be best for RG3, developmentally.

[PeterMP]

Every draft pick is a chance, so there is not much argument there. Who's to say the 3 picks traded would turn into beast starters and not prone to injury?
They could have, but I'm not talking about them being beast even. The chances of missing on 3 #1s is pretty low.

It is essentially the reason people talk about not putting your eggs all in one basket. The Redskins just put a lot of eggs in the RGIII basket. You take 3 different guys with first round picks, and you've spread the risk out.

[jobaga]

OK, I'm cautiously very optimistic!



I don't think so. If anything, it puts Kyle in a position of having to show what his offense can do with a real QB. If this whole thing fails, Kyle is going down with it, regardless if he has nothing to do with the pick. The franchise will give up on Kyle before they can afford to give up on RG3.

I think if RG3 fails the blame will go squarely on Mike's shoulders (right or wrong). But, you are right, if RG3 is a dud everybody will be looking for a new job

[bigkobe81]

YESSSS!!, sorry im late but wow what AWESOME news to wake up to. Next is Vjax/Colston and were #1 in the division for years to come. Thank You Shanahan!!

[pray4surf]

@HigSkin
This is awesome!

I'm playing in a poker tournament later today with several Browns fans. Oh this is going to be sooooo much fun.

Muahahahaha

[wysknz1]

No chance at Manning so I guess this was what thet had to do

[TK]

One thing that confuses me.
We have a handshake deal in place until Tuesday cause that's when the leauge year starts.
Did we not in essence just drop our pants down in front of the browns.
What's to stop them from saying ok now we know what we have to beat and we have until Tuesday to do it.

Or is this handshake deal binding?
Binding. Both owners have signed off on it

[redskindan07]

Great news, looking forward to FA even more now. We need some OL help!!

[Crazy Levi]

Beck won't be on the Redskins - or in fact ANY NFL roster - next season.

Grossman is a possibility. I know everybody hates him but there are worse things. I seriously wouldn't mind one more season of Grossball. He may be a **** up, but he's OUR **** up and he will at least keep things entertaining till RG3 takes over in week 3.

[ConnSKINS26]

No chance at Manning so I guess this was what thet had to do

Much better option than Manning, I think.

[Byebye]

has any player/draft pick ever cost 3 first round picks? it seems like a crazy amount

[cakmoney61]

They could have, but I'm not talking about them being beast even. The chances of missing on 3 #1s is pretty low.

It is essentially the reason people talk about not putting your eggs all in one basket. The Redskins just put a lot of eggs in the RGIII basket. You take 3 different guys with first round picks, and you've spread the risk out.

IMO, the Redskins minimized the damage by spreading the three picks out over the next three years. They have not rendered themselves irrelevant in the 2012, 2013, or 2014 drafts. If you are good at finding talent, the number of picks is just as important.

I have a feeling they will parlay their 2nd round picks into additional picks in 2013 and 2014. The Redskins proved last year that they can find talent in the mid and late rounds. These are not the Snyderatto run teams of the past.

If RGIII is a bust, I will not be upset at all with the FO. In all honesty, a possible (IMHO highly probable) franchise QB is certainly worth the risk.

[HigSkin]

@HigSkin
This is awesome!

I'm playing in a poker tournament later today with several Browns fans. Oh this is going to be sooooo much fun.

Muahahahaha

Hope one of your Browns fan (a.k.a. Jason) isn't this guy! :ols:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ5pTZOHlcw&feature=player_embedded

[bigkobe81]

Beck won't be on the Redskins - or in fact ANY NFL roster - next season.

Grossman is a possibility. I know everybody hates him but there are worse things. I seriously wouldn't mind one more season of Grossball. He may be a **** up, but he's OUR **** up and he will at least keep things entertaining till RG3 takes over in week 3.

Grossman isn't as bad as the rep he gets. Some of the fault go to the receivers we had. I would love him as a back-up. I hope RG3 is starting week 1, I mean we gave up 3 first for the guy :P

[SnyderShrugged]

Grossman isn't as bad as the rep he gets. Some of the fault go to the receivers we had. I would love him as a back-up. I hope RG3 is starting week 1, I mean we gave up 3 first for the guy :P

2 first's and a second "given up", we need to correct this talking point.

[trimee]

Wait, what happen? Who is this guy RG3? :silly:

[bigkobe81]

Sign V-Jax or Colston and i'll guarantee anyone that RG3 will not be a bust. Look at Dalton with Green, and Cam with Smith. Get a big target to help ease his transition + we have Fred Davis coming back. RG3 will not bust, I'd bet anything on it.

[PlayAction]

Wow - so many posts with ecstatic fans. My first thought was that the trade was the worst draft blunder ever. The ghost of Vinny is haunting us. It's got nothing to do with RGIII at all. The trade will dramatically increase the pressure on RGIII and make it harder for him to succeed. As a rookie we have to expect him to struggle for 1-2 years before he hopefully gets it. But every year everyone is going to be questioning the trade while he struggles. In 2013 the Skins will likely be picking in the top 10 and Kiper et al will be talking about the caliber of player that the Skins could have acquired.

The Rams had the #1 pick 2 years ago and couldn't win with their franchise QB because of insufficient supporting cast. Skins couldn't attract Manning partly because they had no playmaker WRs and a questionable OL. And we expect the Skins to be better than the Rams? In two years the Skins may be picking #2 - - and the Rams will be very happy. Best deal ever for the Rams to improve their franchise.

I'm happy to have RGIII but we'll regret the cost in extra picks. This is an all-in bet. If RGIII isn't the absolute very best (Peyton Manning like) the franchise will be toast for another 6 years under the best of circumstances.

[ogskinsfan]

Grossman isn't as bad as the rep he gets. Some of the fault go to the receivers we had. I would love him as a back-up. I hope RG3 is starting week 1, I mean we gave up 3 first for the guy :P

Man i am with you. hope rex understands and resigns with us. excellent bridge and backup to the new sheriff in d.c. not many teams have a competent back up that can win games and rex can.the sun seems a little brighter today for some reason...........httr...i am onboard.......threw my other ideras in the trash as of last night

[TD_washingtonredskins]

1st, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th,7th

We have 8 picks this year

Point taken...the point is, we have plenty of options still,

[SWFLSkins]

I just don't understand it on so many levels. Should have waited until the Peyton thing played out and gained more leverage. What if 18 landed in Miami and the Browns held firm (which I believe they would) that they weren't gonna give up their 2 first rounders this yr? Hell, there is rampant speculation that the Browns might even go Trent Richardson at 4. This would have put all the leverage in our favor. We could have gotten this deal on draft day. Why NOW???


WR FA's mind, hmmm who is going to be throwing the ball in DC? Oh, RG3 or Luck, yeah I think the money, the coach and the QB are there, I'm IN.

Could you imagine how you would have felt staying at 6 and watching some other team draft RG3 or Luck? And having had still missed out on Manning, going into the season without a clear cut QB? Haven't you seen enough of this, I Have, now back to dancing......\http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q275/iseegreenpeople/437487003a4595987696b941726869l.gif

[Crazy Levi]

This is an all-in bet. If RGIII isn't the absolute very best (Peyton Manning like) the franchise will be toast for another 6 years under the best of circumstances.

We are ALWAYS toast for the next 6 years. Six years routinely comes and goes around here with us mired in mediocrity.

Worth the risk I think to bust out of that crapcycle.

[TheGreek1973]

Tell you what. I love all the hate out there, especially from Eagles fans...LOL. They have already declared RGIII worse than Ryan Leaf.....hahahahaha

[texasthunder]

RGIII' new socks

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmHhRmYyWySF02pwr4s_dkmPr-mR_w7FRLR8jD_Fu80oS0IM-M

[SWFLSkins]

Grossman isn't as bad as the rep he gets. Some of the fault go to the receivers we had. I would love him as a back-up. I hope RG3 is starting week 1, I mean we gave up 3 first for the guy :P

Rex isn't as bad as the rep he gets? Did you watch the games last year, the guy underthrows or throws late to any wide open receiver and serves up the most untimely INT's as any QB who ever played for the Redskins not named Campbell. In fact I counter your statement that the receivers were part of the problem. They were not throwing the ball. Good QB's make guys look good, our QB's made them look bad. And I mean we did not give up 3 firsts. We gave up 2 and a second. It is an all in move, and it had to be done. Now back to dancing.....

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[Hitman#21]

Man...not having a 1st round pick until 2015 is gonna be brutal.

This better work out.

They have a 1st rd pick this year.

[4skins23]

Gave up 3 firsts. This year, '13, and '14. I just hope this one guy is worth it. Not sure about that, but we stockpile picks last year and look where that got the team....?

Glad I'm not in charge. I just hope things get turned around for the 'Skins. I'd like to see them contenders every year like the Pats or Steelers.

[MrWill]

I am so happy about this. Any Redskins fan who is not can just look at the long list of failing QBs since we last won a SB, and realize that not one of them had RG3's skill set.

[cakmoney61]

PlayAction

RGIII has all the physical ability in the world. If his mental game matches is physical ability, he will be a franchise QB, and the Redskins will be very good to great in the near future. The FO is laying a solid foundation of good/great young talent around him (including the defense and special teams). I think the FO has done very well over the last 2 years. I also think this trend will continue.

Welcome to Washington, RGIII! As a certain Jet linebacker once said, "Can't wait!"

[bradboyd80]

Why are so many people fixated on the "three 1st's"? Its only 2! We got the #2 this year, but gave up '13 and '14 1st rounders.
I'm effing ecstatic to be honest. We haven't had a franchise caliber QB in decades! At least it gives us something to be excited about! Now we just need the FO to land VJax.

[wilburmarshall]

Biggest joke in the world! Could have gotten almost any QB in the league for three 1's. Seriously, if we were going to give up that much, we might as well have made a trade w/ the Colts. People will look back @ this trade and laugh. Think about it, we gave up three number 1's for the, wait for it...the 2nd best QB in the draft!!! He will never be able to live up to the hype. If we miss on him, as in he is a bust, it will take @ least seven years, and a lot of luck, to recover.

[Hitman#21]

Why are so many people fixated on the "three 1st's"? Its only 2! I'm effing ecstatic to be honest. We haven't had a franchise caliber QB in decades! At least it gives us something to be excited about! Now we just need the FO to land VJax.

Vjax or another big play WR is a must...so happy right now.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Gave up 3 firsts. This year, '13, and '14. I just hope this one guy is worth it. Not sure about that, but we stockpile picks last year and look where that got the team....?


I know you weren't bashing the move but we need to stop saying we gave up 3 firsts. We STILL have the first it's just up a few spots. That is a net of two. You only would count picks like that if we were trading for a player already on a roster because we would truly be losing out on a selection in that round.

---------- Post added March-10th-2012 at 08:51 AM ----------


Biggest joke in the world! Could have gotten almost any QB in the league for three 1's. Seriously, if we were going to give up that much, we might as well have made a trade w/ the Colts. People will look back @ this trade and laugh. Think about it, we gave up three number 1's for the, wait for it...the 2nd best QB in the draft!!! He will never be able to live up to the hype. If we miss on him, as in he is a bust, it will take @ least seven years, and a lot of luck, to recover.

You are aware that TWO (you have to remember we still get a damn pick in this year's first round. It's a swap. We were going to take a QB anyway!) first rounders would NOT have gotten us Brady, Brees, Rivers, Eli, Newton, Cutler, etc. And not Indy's pick, either. They are sitting put. And why would it take 7 years? By 2014 we probably know what the deal is, and in 2015 we can select a QB in the first round again.

[rambler01]

I guess my Nick Foles sig is no longer in play, LoL. Wow, I'm still trying to digest it all and thinking how will this thing turn out in the end.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Wow. Our fans can find anything to complain about.

I think they had to make this deal. Take a risk. The Skins ain't had a franchise QB in a number of years.
We only gave up two firsts and a second. That's a good deal if RGIII pans out. Which is a complete unknown.

[estrella117]

Thank you jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The F'n wait is over! We're getting RGIII! I don't give a rat a** what we give up. It's worth any trade they would have offered. How many draft picks over the last decade panned out for the skins?????? Not many. Not nearly as much as other teams in the league. Matter fact I'm so excited I have no idea what to do with myself! Omg thank you Mike and Bruce now sign London and get some wr's and some oline depth and were good to go baby! HTTR!!!

[Wrong Direction]

We don't trade 3 #1's for a good leader.
We don't trade 3 #1's for a fast QB.
We don't trade 3 #1's for a smooth talker.
We don't trade 3 #1's for a smart player.
We don't trade 3 #1's for a big arm.
We don't trade 3 #1's for a great work ethic.

We trade 3 #1's for all of the above.

RG3 has potential that is out of this world, and I'd wager he has a higher floor than many are giving him credit for. This kid has a ton of things to fall back on if something gets dinged, or the learning curve is huge, or whatever. I'm nervous about the cost, but the risk might just be worth it for this kid.

[vicnielsen]

I know you weren't bashing the move but we need to stop saying we gave up 3 firsts. We STILL have the first it's just up a few spots. That is a net of two. You only would count picks like that if we were trading for a player already on a roster because we would truly be losing out on a selection in that round.


We are giving up 3 ones. You have to use the pick we received back to select the player. At the end of the day we are out 3 ones and 2 and in return we get RG3. I still agree with the move but I wonder who would have been available if you offered that on the open market.

Could we have had Big Ben last year if we offered that package to the steelers? We could have moved up for Newton for probably half that cost.

[Tarheel_Skin]

Biggest joke in the world! Could have gotten almost any QB in the league for three 1's. Seriously, if we were going to give up that much, we might as well have made a trade w/ the Colts. People will look back @ this trade and laugh. Think about it, we gave up three number 1's for the, wait for it...the 2nd best QB in the draft!!! He will never be able to live up to the hype. If we miss on him, as in he is a bust, it will take @ least seven years, and a lot of luck, to recover.


But we have been a joke for awhile now, what do we have to lose?

[wilco_holland]

I think RG3 will be exciting to watch. Then I realize the price we paid for him. Our answer is to build the rest through FA and if there is one thing we have proved the past 20 yrs is building through FA does not work. I have been against trading our draft picks since George Allen used to give them away. Look at the perennial contenders and they have stayed on top thorough the draft. Would we have traded Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis, Jenkins, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo for RG3? Well in essence that is what we have just did. This year we still need a ILB,CB,SS,DE, OG,RT,C,WRs and blocking TE.

I think that Brady had more holes on his team...so I don´t see the probleme. XD

Just joking.

[Veretax]

Shoot keeping Rex might be a good thing. Start him a couple of games and basically tell him, hey Show us what you can do. If he goes Bad rex early, you pull him for RG III and never look back. Rex could be the Bad Cop here. Could that be in the cards? Would the fans realize it?

[terpfan]

God this is so much to trade. So, so much. I was hoping we at least kept the 2 this year. And I was 100% in the trade whatever it takes camp.

Still, I'm OK with it. But we better be ready to open the pocketbooks in free agency.

[Smurf85]

Why are so many people fixated on the "three 1st's"? Its only 2! We got the #2 this year, but gave up '13 and '14 1st rounders.
I'm effing ecstatic to be honest. We haven't had a franchise caliber QB in decades! At least it gives us something to be excited about! Now we just need the FO to land VJax.

That's still a lot for one player.

[Crazy Levi]

They have a 1st rd pick this year.

Man, not having another 1st round pick after this year until 2015 is gonna be brutal.

[HailGreen28]

He better be Brady/Manning good, and get a ring here.

Happy to have him, but we gave up more than Mike Ditka did for Ricky Williams. And look how that turned out.

REALLY hoping RG3 lights it up.

This looks like a Snyder move to sell tickets and jerseys.

[scuppajones]

Why are so many people fixated on the "three 1st's"? Its only 2! We got the #2 this year, but gave up '13 and '14 1st rounders.
I'm effing ecstatic to be honest. We haven't had a franchise caliber QB in decades! At least it gives us something to be excited about! Now we just need the FO to land VJax.

I know, I don't understand why people say we are giving up 3 1st round picks, it is 2 because we are swapping picks in the first round. I think it makes a better headline though to say trading 3 firsts.

I sure hope this works, I think we just had to roll the dice. I like it!

[Missouri_Skins_Fan]

I know you weren't bashing the move but we need to stop saying we gave up 3 firsts. We STILL have the first it's just up a few spots. That is a net of two. You only would count picks like that if we were trading for a player already on a roster because we would truly be losing out on a selection in that round.

Thank you Ghost!
Guys, we didn't give up 3 1sts & a 2nd.

We gave up (2) 1sts & a 2nd. (BIG difference)

As in, Bears trade for Jay Cutler difference.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373
Bears traded QB Kyle Orton, 1st rd pick in 2009, 3rd rd pick in 2009 #84 & 1st rd pick in 2010.

We SWAPPED our #6 for the #2 &
traded away the 2nd rd pick #39 in 2012, 1st rd pick in 2013 & 1st rd pick in 2014.

Difference in this trade comparison?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We traded a 2nd rounder
Bears traded a 3rd instead & QB Kyle Orton
& everything else was identical.

What's the value chart say?
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#2 pick=2,600 pts

#6 pick=1,600 pts
#39 pick=510 pts
1st in 2013 W/2nd rd value=510 pts (our 2nd rounder in value)
1st rd pick in 2014 W/3rd rd value=240 pts (our 3rd rounder in value)
-------------------------------------------------------
Total=2,860

We were 260 pts away from being dead even on this trade.

That is the value of #66 pick in the 3rd rd this yr.

In other words....the deal was completely equal in value and we threw in a 3rd rounder to sway their decision.

So if you guys want to say we got robbed..then sure.

We got robbed of a 3rd rd pick according to the value of this trade.

Man..I'm crushed :thumbsup:
How will we recover, when RG3 is shattering Theismann's records?

[I_Bleed_B&G]

why does Schefter keep saying we surrendered 3 1st picks???? We swapped to move up so we are really only giving up 2 1st round picks (2013 and 2014). People are getting confused all the media heads are saying we have up 3 1st rounders

[The Slamming Butcher]

why does Schefter keep saying we surrendered 3 1st picks???? We swapped to move up so we are really only giving up 2 1st round picks (2013 and 2014). People are getting confused all the media heads are saying we have up 3 1st rounders

Because it makes it sound worse, which feeds the hype machine. Hype sells newspapers, adspace and commercial time.

I have debated your exact point to no avail with many others....nobody wants to look at the NET result...which is two firsts and a second. That's all. A steep price, but not the total GASHING that some are making it out to be.

[Crazy Levi]

why does Schefter keep saying we surrendered 3 1st picks???? We swapped to move up so we are really only giving up 2 1st round picks (2013 and 2014). People are getting confused all the media heads are saying we have up 3 1st rounders

People, you gotta get over this.

We DID trade three #1 draft picks (and a 2nd) for RG3. You can look at it any way you want, but that's the total cost of the Redskins.

Getting hung up on semantics doesn't change that.

[Phat Hog]

Man, not having another 1st round pick after this year until 2015 is gonna be brutal.

Forutnately, we have good experiences with this in Washington...LOL!

[I_Bleed_B&G]

People, you gotta get over this.

We DID trade three #1 draft picks (and a 2nd) for RG3. You can look at it any way you want, but that's the total cost of the Redskins.

Getting hung up on semantics doesn't change that.

If you want to word it that way, they should be saying St. Louis gave up 2012 1st round pick to the Washington Redskins.

[Chris21]

I agree there is no price for a franchise QB. My only concern is are we getting one. Really hope all of you are right in your assessments of RGIII.

[Crazy Levi]

If you want to word it that way, they should be saying St. Louis gave up 2012 1st round pick to the Washington Redskins.

Go ahead, nobody is stopping you.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

We are giving up 3 ones. You have to use the pick we received back to select the player. At the end of the day we are out 3 ones and 2 and in return we get RG3. .

No, you're still incorrect. This view would only hold if you are making your evaluation on RG3 as a player. When discussing the "Cost" you only talk about the NET picks we give up. To wit, if RG3 dropped to 6, we would take him, no one would question it or wonder. No debate or controversy to talk about here. You would not say we "gave up" a first to select him. You'd say you "selected" a QB with your pick, teams get those unless penalized somehow (or having traded away picks already.)

So, instead of Griffin at 6, which was impossible. We get Griffin at 2, and the COST (or what we gave up) is 2 first rounders and a second.

You can't count something against you that you already have and would exercise.

[respectgibbs]

Until $ynder leaves this team, we're doomed to be victim to trades like this. A pure publicity stunt by Danny. What a ****ing cost for this move. He'd need to be the next Peyton to justify it.

[The Dude]

We could give up our next 5 first-rounders, and it would have been worth it. RGIII will go down as the best QB in Skins history. The torch has been passed!!

[LD0506]

So we make the deal to trade up for a franchise QB AND we get to see muffinheads fallin' all over themselves to try and find something- anything- to ***** about, this is a helluva day, dinner and a floor show and it's barely 10 in the morning

[Crazy Levi]

No, you're still incorrect. This view would only hold if you are making your evaluation on RG3 as a player. When discussing the "Cost" you only talk about the NET picks we give up. To wit, if RG3 dropped to 6, we would take him, no one would question it or wonder. No debate or controversy to talk about here. You would not say we "gave up" a first to select him. You'd say you "selected" a QB with your pick, teams get those unless penalized somehow (or having traded away picks already.)

So, instead of Griffin at 6, which was impossible. We get Griffin at 2, and the COST (or what we gave up) is 2 first rounders and a second.

You can't count something against you that you already have and would exercise.

This **** is hilarious.

If schecter and everyone else were saying "The Skins gave up 2 picks!" it would be at best confusing, and at worse a lie.

Are you people REALLY that concerned about public perception on this deal that you want everybody to be confused?

So the Giants only gave up one first rounder for Eli, right? And we only gave up 2 for RG3? AWESOME.

So why won't we have another first-round pick till 2015? By the math, we should be drafting first round in 2014...since we only REALLY gave up two picks, right?

Why does everyone have such a problem with the truth? We made the balls out deal we needed to, OWN UP TO IT people. Love it. Embrace it.

[MattFancy]

Still can't believe we'll finally have a franchise QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Go ahead, nobody is stopping you.

St. Louis gave up their 2012 1st round pick to the Washington Redskins!!!!

You happy? :rolleyes:

[HailToTheRedskins14]

LMAO

I saw someone a couple pages ago say "We still need a blocking TE" as a reason not to like this trade.

Good grief!

[RedskinsInFebruary]

People, you gotta get over this.

We DID trade three #1 draft picks (and a 2nd) for RG3. You can look at it any way you want, but that's the total cost of the Redskins.

Getting hung up on semantics doesn't change that.

It's not a semantical disagreement. It's arithmetical.

We traded 2 1's and a 2 for a 1.

[respectgibbs]

Still can't believe we'll finally have a franchise QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You hope

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

People, you gotta get over this.

We DID trade three #1 draft picks (and a 2nd) for RG3. You can look at it any way you want, but that's the total cost of the Redskins.

I suppose it depends how you are defining "Cost" and while I'm no accountant, I am awares on T-Sheets and how you measure your net worth. Assets, Liabilities. Net worth.

If we look at the set of picks under question and then review the sheets before and after trade. The Skins.

WOULD HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK IN EACH SCENARIO.

We "Gave up" as in SURRENDERED 2 picks for RG3.

If we needed a player with our high first rounder, and we simply choose a bit HIGHER and select a player, you don't COUNT THAT as being what you "Gave up" in a trade.

If you have a trade-in on a car, you don't pay the dealership the new cars price AND the trade-in price. you DEDUCT the trade-in from the money you're paying. You can say you gave up a car worth X but you can't NOT look at the values in your ASSETS column.

Net picks lost: THREE (2 first)

[FSUSkins24]

You know what the funny thing is? We ONLY traded up to the No. 2 SLOT. That doesn't guarantee we're getting RG3.

Ensue: More anxiety/speculation/stress

I'm okay with RG3 OR Andrew Luck.

Haha, that sounds like a good problem to have.

I am riding so high right now.

[Smurf85]

Still can't believe we'll finally have a franchise QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't a franchise QB yet. He hasn't even played one game in the NFL yet. So lets wait and see before we call him anything more than what he is. A Great college QB that we just gave up to many picks for.

[Crazy Levi]

St. Louis gave up their 2012 1st round pick to the Washington Redskins!!!!

You happy? :rolleyes:

If I were a Rams fan I'd be happy. St Louis gave up their 2012 1st round pick to the Redskins...in return for THREE first rounders and a second.

WOW. They got bank. Admit it.

Rams fans have to be THRILLED today.

[mhenry41h]

:drooley: This is the happiest football day of my life!!! Not sure why you see bad journalists trying to insinuate that the Redskins are giving up 3 #1 picks when they are swapping #1's this year and actual giving up 2...not 3. This isn't to pretend that 2 #1's and a #2 isn't a lot of value...but...Im excited to pay this for RG3. Better yet, my son's first name is Griffin and I cant wait for him to get his first Redskins jersey with the name Griffin on the back! Hail!

[I_Bleed_B&G]

So why won't we have another first-round pick till 2015? By the math, we should be drafting first round in 2014...since we only REALLY gave up two picks, right?

Last I checked, it was 2012 and we are picking 2nd overall. In 2013 & 2014 we won't have a 1st round pick. In 2015 we will. Now if you could do math, that is only 2 years where we don't have a 1st round pick.

Just too let you know, i'm ecstatic about the deal!

[Crazy Levi]

I suppose it depends how you are defining "Cost" and while I'm no accountant, I am awares on T-Sheets and how you measure your net worth. Assets, Liabilities. Net worth.

If we look at the set of picks under question and then review the sheets before and after trade. The Skins.

WOULD HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK IN EACH SCENARIO.

We "Gave up" as in SURRENDERED 2 picks for RG3.

If we needed a player with our high first rounder, and we simply choose a bit HIGHER and select a player, you don't COUNT THAT as being what you "Gave up" in a trade.

If you have a trade-in on a car, you don't pay the dealership the new cars price AND the trade-in price. you DEDUCT the trade-in from the money you're paying. You can say you gave up a car worth X but you can't NOT look at the values in your ASSETS column.

Net picks lost: THREE (2 first)

So freakin' awesome.

So uhh....why aren't we drafting again in the first round till 2015? I'm confused.

[The Slamming Butcher]

This **** is hilarious.

If schecter and everyone else were saying "The Skins gave up 2 picks!" it would be at best confusing, and at worse a lie.

Are you people REALLY that concerned about public perception on this deal that you want everybody to be confused?

So the Giants only gave up one first rounder for Eli, right? And we only gave up 2 for RG3? AWESOME.

So why won't we have another first-round pick till 2015? By the math, we should be drafting first round in 2014...since we only REALLY gave up two picks, right?

Why does everyone have such a problem with the truth? We made the balls out deal we needed to, OWN UP TO IT people. Love it. Embrace it.

Because looking at what was given without including what was received is a short-sighted argument. The 2012 first rounder was SWAPPED, not traded. NET LOSS is two firsts and a second. There is NO OTHER way to spin it.

[respectgibbs]

Most depressing day I can remember as a Redskins fan after ST's death. You don't build a team like this - you sell tickets and get fans excited on a message board. The Shanny regime is dead - and probably Bruce Allen too. He obviously had no guts to stand up to Snyder on this one (too much pressure of lost $ otherwise)

A dark day of realization of another 5-7 years of sub 8-8 years ahead of us. Maybe a wild card or two if we're lucky.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Because looking at what was given without including what was received is a short-sighted argument. The first rounder was SWAPPED, not traded. NET LOSS is two firsts and a second. There is NO OTHER way to spin it.

Don't feed the troll, he lives in NYC ;)

[wysknz1]

Much better option than Manning, I think.

Money vs picks....RG3 has a "longer" possible upside. But 2 firsts seems like a lot. I just hope it works

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Until $ynder leaves this team, we're doomed to be victim to trades like this. A pure publicity stunt by Danny. What a ****ing cost for this move. He'd need to be the next Peyton to justify it.

It's a Shanahan move, dude. Christ, can you people drop the Snyder/Vinny **** and get over it? Can you ****ing review recent first round trades and trades involving QBs recently before you pretend this is some kind of "new" thing?

And actually, it seems RG3 would only have to be the next Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, ELI MANNING, Rivers, etc to be worth it.

[The Slamming Butcher]

Most depressing day I can remember as a Redskins fan after ST's death. You don't build a team like this - you sell tickets and get fans excited on a message board. The Shanny regime is dead - and probably Bruce Allen too. He obviously had no guts to stand up to Snyder on this one (too much pressure of lost $ otherwise)

A dark day of realization of another 5-7 years of sub 8-8 years ahead of us. Maybe a wild card or two if we're lucky.

Lighten up, Francis.

[SWFLSkins]

Need>cost!

True Dat Monk, and the competition for filling the need determines that cost.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Most depressing day I can remember as a Redskins fan after ST's death. You don't build a team like this - you sell tickets and get fans excited on a message board.

A dark day of realization of another 5-7 years of sub 8-8 years ahead of us. Maybe a wild card or two if we're lucky.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a huge troll. You think this is just a move to get us excited? Really? THat's it? That's why they got QB and not, maybe say..oh I don't know, some other marquee position? Are you that obtuse? Do you know what sells tickets, there, genius?

WINNING.

[Veretax]

Schefter was just on 980 and said, it's really only 2 First Round picks, because we got a First round in return to move up to take him. Where are you guys hearing he said otherwise.

[War Paint]

This is a huge relief to get this out of the way. Now we must be very aggressive in FA and sign some WRs like VJax and some Oline help.

[terpfan]

Most depressing day I can remember as a Redskins fan after ST's death. You don't build a team like this - you sell tickets and get fans excited on a message board. The Shanny regime is dead - and probably Bruce Allen too. He obviously had no guts to stand up to Snyder on this one (too much pressure of lost $ otherwise)

A dark day of realization of another 5-7 years of sub 8-8 years ahead of us. Maybe a wild card or two if we're lucky.
LOL you're dumb.

The ONLY thing I'm concerned about is that we paid more than we had to. If this was actually the market, meaning the Browns were wiling to pay almost the same thing, then I'm all for it. We HAD to do whatever it took. I dont want to wait and I dont want freaking Matt Barkley anyway. There is no price too high for a true franchise QB. None.

[4skins23]

I don't watch college ball, so I do hope RG3 is as good as some of you are making him out to be. And ok. I see now the 'Skins gave up 2 firsts for the jump to 2nd pick this year. Makes sense to me now.
Just hope he isn't another Jason Campbell or Alex Smith. Both first rounders who didn't produce. -Now Smith finally did something this past year. Spent a long time on the sidelines.

Wait, hold on, If RG3 is as good as some claim, why isn't he going to be the first overall pick? Just curious.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

So freakin' awesome.

So uhh....why aren't we drafting again in the first round till 2015? I'm confused.

Um, we're drafting in 2012. So we're missing 2013, 2014. So, that sounds like two first rounders to me.


Work with me here, I know it may take time for the legion of Skins fans who seemingly don't understand how you calculate net worth or have no understanding of marginal utility, but work with me.

We had a pick in the first round at 6. Now we still have a first round pick but at 2.

THat means what we "GAVE UP" is two first rounders.

You can't start counting draft picks you retain against trades, dude.

[Crazy Levi]

Don't feed the troll, he lives in NYC ;)

Yeah, I live in NYC. Here, we don't bull**** ourselves endlessly. I don't remember anybody here saying "we only traded ONE first-rounder to get Eli!," because of course, that would be stupid.

But hey, living in DC can make anybody think bull**** is a way of life, so I'm not surprised you guys have somehow convinced yourselves we've only traded two first-rounders, and not three. Despite the fact that we traded three.

I don't really care either way. I managed to embrace the McNabb trade even though deep down I felt it was a disaster in the making, cause hey, I'm a fan and that's what we do. This one also has potential to be a disaster, but deep down I know the potential upside is HUGE. We could end up looking back at this as...FINALLY...the turning point we've all wanted.

And then, silly arguments over the semantics of this trade will be forgotten.

But until then, keep calling in on radio shows and trying to convince everybody that we didn't actually just trade 4 draft picks. Cause that's really important! For some reason.

[War Paint]

Most depressing day I can remember as a Redskins fan after ST's death. You don't build a team like this - you sell tickets and get fans excited on a message board. The Shanny regime is dead - and probably Bruce Allen too. He obviously had no guts to stand up to Snyder on this one (too much pressure of lost $ otherwise)

A dark day of realization of another 5-7 years of sub 8-8 years ahead of us. Maybe a wild card or two if we're lucky.

You don't build a franchise with a franchise QB? Is that what you are saying? You can have all the 1st round picks you want. You aren't going to win squat without a legit QB on the team.

[respectgibbs]

The extra 2nd we had to give up was like a slap in the face to the respectability of this franchise. I thought Bruce was going to change this.

[SWFLSkins]

Still can't believe we'll finally have a franchise QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You hope


and you don't ?

[4skins23]

Here's what I found....

The Washington Redskins acquired the No. 2 overall pick in April's NFL Draft on Friday from the St. Louis Rams by sending first rounders in 2012, '13 and '14 and a second-round pick this year to the Rams, league sources told Fox Sports insider and NFL Network contributor Jay Glazer on Friday.

[respectgibbs]

You don't build a franchise with a franchise QB? Is that what you are saying? You can have all the 1st round picks you want. You aren't going to win squat without a legit QB on the team.

It's called due diligence and quality scouting, landing an Aaron Rodgers-like QB late in the first or a 2nd rounder.

2 YEARS of lost #1s!!! LOL. And those will be GOOD position picks. This is a laughable situation right now. Rams are celebrating.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Yeah, I live in NYC. Here, we don't bull**** ourselves endlessly. I don't remember anybody here saying "we only traded ONE first-rounder to get Eli!," because of course, that would be stupid.

But hey, living in DC can make anybody think bull**** is a way of life, so I'm not surprised you guys have somehow convinced yourselves we've only traded two first-rounders, and not three. Despite the fact that we traded three.

I don't really care either way. I managed to embrace the McNabb trade even though deep down I felt it was a disaster in the making, cause hey, I'm a fan and that's what we do. This one also has potential to be a disaster, but deep down I know the potential upside is HUGE. We could end up looking back at this as...FINALLY...the turning point we've all wanted.

And then, silly arguments over the semantics of this trade will be forgotten.

But until then, keep calling in on radio shows and trying to convince everybody that we didn't actually just trade 4 draft picks. Cause that's really important! For some reason.

Good for you...I'm so happy for you. really I am

[respectgibbs]

You don't build a franchise with a franchise QB? Is that what you are saying? You can have all the 1st round picks you want. You aren't going to win squat without a legit QB on the team.

It's called due diligence and quality scouting, landing an Aaron Rodgers-like QB late in the first or a 2nd rounder.

2 YEARS of lost #1s!!! LOL. And those will be GOOD position picks. This is a laughable situation right now. Rams are celebrating.

[Crazy Levi]

The extra 2nd we had to give up was like a slap in the face to the respectability of this franchise. I thought Bruce was going to change this.

We didn't ACTUALLY trade a 2nd round pick also.

See, we would have used that 2nd round pick ANYWAY...so, it's like we didn't really trade it.

or something. Did I get that right?

[4skins23]

Here's what I found....

The Washington Redskins acquired the No. 2 overall pick in April's NFL Draft on Friday from the St. Louis Rams by sending first rounders in 2012, '13 and '14 and a second-round pick this year to the Rams, league sources told Fox Sports insider and NFL Network contributor Jay Glazer on Friday.

So, 2 first rounders and 1 2nd rounder gave up.

[STBonecrusher21]

My god some people are really really stupid.

:ols:

[SWFLSkins]

Still can't believe we'll finally have a franchise QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He better be Brady/Manning good, and get a ring here.

Happy to have him, but we gave up more than Mike Ditka did for Ricky Williams. And look how that turned out.

REALLY hoping RG3 lights it up.

This looks like a Snyder move to sell tickets and jerseys.

Ditka did that for a RB, the Redskins did that for a QB, you mean you think a RB is as valuable as a QB?

btw, back to dancing/////
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zdz88MBWomo

[MattFancy]

To those not liking the trade, would you have done differently? Sign Flynn? Orton? Keep Rex? Draft Tannehill?

So basically you'd be happy with the status quo. All the top teams have one thing in common, franchise QBs. We've needed one for decades and now we finally have a chance to get one. Sure Griffin could flop, but that's a risk the franchise is willing to take. Shanny knows he doesn't have much time left, so why not go down swinging. The Skins are obviously going all-in this season and I fully support after years of half-assing it.

[Crazy Levi]

So I live in NYC so I'm a troll? That's rich.

How many Redskins games did YOU guys go to last year? I went to three. Have the stubs to prove it.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Let the people who are unhappy with the deal just b. don't even begin to defend why, who, or how much. It is what it is: the day we got our franchise QB. Haters....Kick Rocks!

[HailGreen28]

And now people on this board can't add. Look, if we had just used the #6 pick on someone, that player would have cost us one first rd pick. Period.

Now whether we get RG3 or Luck (and with new GM and all the players they just cut, there's still a small chance the Colts just might pick Griffin), we'll have use this year's first rounder, next year's, and the year after that. Three first rounders. And a 2nd rounder.

WE GAVE UP 3 FIRST ROUNDERS FOR WHOEVER WE PICK. Why is this even a discussion here?

[COOLeyCatchTds]

We could give up our next 5 first-rounders, and it would have been worth it. RGIII will go down as the best QB in Skins history. The torch has been passed!!

Sammy Baugh is laughing at you.

[respectgibbs]

I love how people think RG3 is an automatic franchise QB. How many high first-rounders (especially heisman winners) have ever panned out? Odds are low, folks. At best a 50-50 shot this works out.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

So I live in NYC so I'm a troll? That's rich.

How many Redskins games did YOU guys go to last year? I went to three. Have the stubs to prove it.
8 thank you very much and I don't have to prove jack. Anyway, i'm done with you.

I'm happy with what we did. That is all that matters to me

[PorkSkins]

The best move that could happen now is the Colts draft RGIII and we get Luck.

[Bonez3]

It is pure idiocracy that would allow anyone to criticize this move.

# 1- Even top 10 picks are not sure things. We possibly gave up 2 top 10 picks (I doubt this, but fr sake of argument). Maybe one is a bust. So to risk this on a potential franchise QB...Done

#2- We have had solid drafts in past 2 years. We have 2 young rushing OLB's. A Top 5 pick at LT. Nice looking backfield. Too much talent at TE. A proven WR to be named in next 2 weeks via FA. A nice little core of WR's. This is a pretty good blueprint to now go after a 'FRANCHISE QB'

Yes we need depth at DL/DB- We'll be just fine there. Very good move with this. A QB folks...A F-ing QB!!!!!

[War Paint]

It's called due diligence and quality scouting, landing an Aaron Rodgers-like QB late in the first or a 2nd rounder.

2 YEARS of lost #1s!!! LOL. And those will be GOOD position picks. This is a laughable situation right now. Rams are celebrating.

Oh, so you are one of the guys that Bill Parcells talked about when he said something like "People ask why don't you get a QB? They think you can just dial 1-800-get-a-quarterback. Teams have been trying to dial that for 10 years. They say you need a QB. Well no ****."

Also, Aaron Rodgers dropped very far in the draft. Much further than expected.

[Crazy Levi]

8 thank you very much and I don't have to prove jack. Anyway, i'm done with you.

I'm happy with what we did. That is all that matters to me

Is that really all that matters to you?

I just saw Shecter on ESPN say we traded 3 first rounders and a 2nd. Doesn't that piss you off?

They are sayin' it all over the TV! Those bastards!!!!

But for the real, I'm happy too. Not winning the offseason championship sucked last year, as did starting the season with Beckman at QB. This certainly is going to be a much more exciting season...I think we'll contend for the playoffs next season.

And REALLY contend, not the "If we had only won 4 of those close games, we would have gone to the playoffs!" kind of contention.

[HailGreen28]

To those not liking the trade, would you have done differently? Sign Flynn? Orton? Keep Rex? Draft Tannehill?

So basically you'd be happy with the status quo. All the top teams have one thing in common, franchise QBs. We've needed one for decades and now we finally have a chance to get one. Sure Griffin could flop, but that's a risk the franchise is willing to take. Shanny knows he doesn't have much time left, so why not go down swinging. The Skins are obviously going all-in this season and I fully support after years of half-assing it.Giving up two first rounders and change would have been my ceiling. Absolute final offer would have been this year's 1 and 3 and next year's 1.

This deal, huge gamble. With Mike and Kyle coaching, I'm hoping for the best.

RG3 had ONE good year in college. That's bad, but maybe him being raw will be a good thing, under the Shanahans.

[skins island connection]

:ols:

aZ5pTZOHlcw&feature=player_embedded#!

wow...
something tells me we'll all be seeing this guy on national news soon...

[Bonez3]

I love how people think RG3 is an automatic franchise QB. How many high first-rounders (especially heisman winners) have ever panned out? Odds are low, folks. At best a 50-50 shot this works out.

Odds are 0% Beck, Grossman work out. Odds are 1/32 any eams plan works out. But, one thing will never change. YOU NEED A QB.

Nobody or even you can say this kid doesn't have it all right now. Fact is, I'm not convinved we even land RGIII and I've wrote that multiple times prior to guaranteing #2 overall. Indy's owner has informally told many that he LOVES RGIII. Irsay isn't all there either.

Start scouting Luck and I ould argue he has more 'room for the other side of the 50/50'.

[HeluCopter29]

The only way this ruined our future is if RGIII turns out to suck. The teams is much better then we give it credit for. We already have a contending defense. If we just gave minimal aid to the defense, sign a big play WR, and help out with the O-Line a little, show a little patience, we should be pretty good. Yeah, we don't have a 1st rounder these next two years. Honestly, the guys we need our "depth" guys as Shanahan has been talking about. You know where I think we'll find those guys?

WITH THE 6 OTHER PICKS WE HAVE IN 2012, 2013, AND 2014!

RELAX! WE DIDN'T TRADE THE FARM! NOW BE HAPPY WE HAVE A FRANCHISE QB!

Jesus, you think people would be happy now that they've finally gotten what they've asked for since 1991.

[GaryGreenMonk]

People, you gotta get over this.

We DID trade three #1 draft picks (and a 2nd) for RG3. You can look at it any way you want, but that's the total cost of the Redskins.

Getting hung up on semantics doesn't change that.

Please explain?

since we are picking someone with our now 2nd overall, how is that giving it up?

it isn't.. that's the part we make out on. moving from 6 to 2.

we gave up our 2nd and a 2013 and 2014 1st for that privilege.

we did not give up 3 firsts, we traded 3 firsts but only lose 2.

[SWFLSkins]

I love how people think RG3 is an automatic franchise QB. How many high first-rounders (especially heisman winners) have ever panned out? Odds are low, folks. At best a 50-50 shot this works out.

You need lessons, take it from a pro......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zdz88MBWomo

[STBonecrusher21]

RG3 had ONE good year in college. That's bad

This is wrong. For the 300th time.

:ols:

"I feel like im taking crazy pills!"

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Is that really all that matters to you?

I just saw Shecter on ESPN say we traded 3 first rounders and a 2nd. Doesn't that piss you off?

They are sayin' it all over the TV! Those bastards!!!!

But for the real, I'm happy too. Not winning the offseason championship sucked last year, as did starting the season with Beckman at QB. This certainly is going to be a much more exciting season...I think we'll content for the playoffs next season.

And REALLY contend, not in the "If we had only won 4 of those close games, we would have gone to the playoffs!" kind of contention.
Yes that is all that matters to me last night and today. I'm happy with what we did. High Risk/High reward factor but I think the kid has it. It could blow up but we've sucked for so long and our QB's have been God awful. I'm taking it day by day.

By the way its spelled Schefter. Just noticed you spelled it wrong a few times. Anyway cheers bro :cheers: . Hopefully the Skins are on the up swing

[SWFLSkins]

Still can't believe we'll finally have a franchise QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The best move that could happen now is the Colts draft RGIII and we get Luck.

That is not the best thing, the best thing to do is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ajzpd-ONOdo

Come April the Redskins draft one of the two, that is all that matters.

[Hail Em Up]

Secretly packing up their Dallas gear and pulling out their Skins gear? I will say all of them!!! Just watch the so called Skins fans come out the wood work.

Welcome to DC RGIII

Hail Em Up

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

And now people on this board can't add. Look, if we had just used the #6 pick on someone, that player would have cost us one first rd pick. Period.

WE GAVE UP 3 FIRST ROUNDERS FOR WHOEVER WE PICK. Why is this even a discussion here?

Because you have ****ing draft picks as a default setting for the league. You're talking about a trade...which means you talk about the additional costs.

You can't count the pick you planned on using already

Those draft picks get used by teams. Period, even if traded. SOMEONE uses them somewhere. You don't "Count" that except in evaluations of the player later on.

You don't count all three as part of the TRADE talks because both teams still pick in the ****ing first round. The picks you're giving up are to increase the perceived marginal utility of a pick you are ALREADY SPENDING.

If someone said you were going to get a car on Friday, but if you paid 100 bucks, you could get a Bentley (put aside the uncertainty of the draft for a minute) how much did it cost you to get the Bentley? 100 bucks!!!

HailGreen, I recognize you as a former ally. You need to separate out retrospective analyses of how picks were spent within the context of draft effectiveness (like saying, we took Landry...that was a disappointment, etc) and the discussion of the "Controversy" over the cost.
THE ONLY REASON THERE ARE NEGATIVE POSTS IN THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE "GAVE UP." SO the fact that we are using a pick we already would use on Griffin WERE he to drop to 6, is irrelevant.

IF Griffin were a player on a roster already, THEN you would be right that we are giving up three picks. But we did not give up three first rounders for a player. We gave up TWO first rounders to move to a better position for a PICK. A pick that we happen to know in advance, that's the difference.

[MattFancy]

Is that really all that matters to you?

I just saw Shecter on ESPN say we traded 3 first rounders and a 2nd. Doesn't that piss you off?

They are sayin' it all over the TV! Those bastards!!!!

But for the real, I'm happy too. Not winning the offseason championship sucked last year, as did starting the season with Beckman at QB. This certainly is going to be a much more exciting season...I think we'll contend for the playoffs next season.

And REALLY contend, not the "If we had only won 4 of those close games, we would have gone to the playoffs!" kind of contention.

What would have rather done? Sign Orton? Maybe Flynn? Are they really better options than Griffin? Doubtful.

[Crazy Levi]

Yes that is all that matters to me last night and today. I'm happy with what we did. High Risk/High reward factor but I think the kid has it. It could blow up but we've sucked for so long and our QB's have been God awful. I'm taking it day by day.

By the way its spelled Schefter. Just noticed you spelled it wrong a few times. Anyway cheers bro :cheers: . Hopefully the Skins are on the up swing

Not having a first round pick till 2015 is gonna suck. But we can work around it. Of course, we cannot afford to trade ANY draft picks from here on in. It's gotta be smart picking with what he have and more good FA signings.

I've got some reservations about the deal, no doubt. But I'm THRILLED we went this way and not Manning.

[SWFLSkins]

Giving up two first rounders and change would have been my ceiling. Absolute final offer would have been this year's 1 and 3 and next year's 1.

This deal, huge gamble. With Mike and Kyle coaching, I'm hoping for the best.

RG3 had ONE good year in college. That's bad, but maybe him being raw will be a good thing, under the Shanahans.

One good year, your off your rocker, his first game in HS that score was 60-6, and he flourished from there, he had three good years in college and is as good of a guy as you could ask for, you won't catch him at the dog fights on Sunday night either.

---------- Post added March-10th-2012 at 10:50 AM ----------


This is wrong. For the 300th time.

:ols:

"I feel like im taking crazy pills!"

It's not you.

[Crazy Levi]

What would have rather done? Sign Orton? Maybe Flynn? Are they really better options than Griffin? Doubtful.

I would have prefered we kept the picks, and signed FLynn.

But we didn't, so my desires are irrelevant now. Like I said, it'll be an exciting offseason and season coming up.

[redskins59]

Hopefully Andrew Luck pulls an Eli Manning. I see it happening given that Luck's grandparents are in West Virginia. I'll be happy with either Luck or RG3.