Another trade in the works?

[Epochalypse]

ESPN 980
A big does of bad news for the #Redskins - Per Adam Schefter - NFL is taking away millions of dolllar of salary-cap space from #Cowboys and #Redskins for how they front-loaded deals during uncapped year


and we just got that Million back by cutting Sellers.....

If this is true this is pretty poor on the league's part, especially if there was nothing in the rules that prevented us from doing it legitimately.

And to do it the day prior to free agency opening.

I hope this is bad info.

[Alvin_Walton40]

34 pages already, so this idea has probably been posted already...

Trade Orakpo for a 1st rounder and then sign Mike Wallace to a 1st round tender?


Yup.. you nailed it.

[Jacoby6644]

[QUOTE=DC9;8880323]ESPN 980
A big does of bad news for the #Redskins - Per Adam Schefter - NFL is taking away millions of dolllar of salary-cap space from #Cowboys and #Redskins for how they front-loaded deals during uncapped year QUOTE]

Can anyone one explain that since it doesn't sound like there were any rules about doing so?

[dan757]

Strange that if this was illegal that only us and the boys would be implicated for this

[MOSSthaBOSS]

Her you go guys :
The NFL told teams not to treat the uncapped year as a free for all to dump salaries and set themselves up for future years of cap relief. The redskins and cowboys ignored the leagues demands and will now pay for it. Who knows how much they will take away but every bit hurts.

[Missouri_Skins_Fan]

What's even worse is Sheftler just reported live on ESPN a few minutes ago, that the money they are punishing the Cowboys & Redskins for pushing salaries in an uncapped yr..

Some of that money will be spread out throughout the league.

Don't know what that means, but just heard that, too.

WTF!

[DC9]

Vinny's back to **** us again... ****.

We're so close....

[dan757]

man what a bad piece of info after refreshing this thread all day. This sucks! I wonder how much "Millions" is? Is it 1.02 million or like 12 million? Big Difference!

[MOSSthaBOSS]

36 million lost...wowwwwwww

[SKlNZfan24]

Vinny's back to **** us again... ****.

We're so close....

Wouldnt this be Shanny/Bruce's doing? If the league did actually threaten to penalize teams that front loaded contracts.. then SHAME on the FO

[DC9]

Wouldnt this be Shanny/Bruce's doing? If the league did actually threaten to penalize teams that front loaded contracts.. then SHAME on the FO

yeah... sure... or we could still have fat Albert on the roster for 4 more years....

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36 million lost...wowwwwwww

That seriously just gave me a headache/stomach ache/ light headedness all at once...

[skinsfanindallas88]

Is there any way to appeal this? this seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen

[Supreme Wu]

36 million lost...wowwwwwww

Do what now?

[gortiz]

2 million is the word on the streets ... well, the other thread in the Stadium, not the streets, but you know what I mean.

[corrupt3d]

2 million is the word on the streets ... well, the other thread in the Stadium, not the streets, but you know what I mean.

It's 36 million.

[AKM311]

Vinny's back to **** us again... ****.

We're so close....

That was a Shanny and BA move

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Skins will restructure Trent Williams. Sort a deal out for Davis. Not sure about Dhall

[SauzzBozz]

bah this cap thing sucks!!! We got stuck with 36 mil and the pukes with 10 mil with the money going back to other teams.

[Diabolo]

Safety OJ has been cut !

[mikeumd]

Safety OJ has been cut !
Why in the!!!!!

[Diabolo]

This regime is not known for hanging on to the trash...!

[dnpmakkah]

that's not funny.lol I know he's a "me" first type of personality but talent wise, he has a ton of game. Wish he had his head on straight though.

[skinny21]

So, it's a minor trade and perhaps dependent on us getting someone in FA. My guess is we trade Robinson to the team that tried to claim him off our PS. We get a late pick and then sign VJax.

[The Tris]

Well, scratch the only plausible trade in this thread - Hall for picks and signing a FA CB.

This thread should be closed now.

[Blue Collar Skins]

Well, scratch the only plausible trade in this thread - Hall for picks and signing a FA CB.

This thread should be closed now. The trade will continue.

[MOSSthaBOSS]

you think, blue collar skins? wasnt sure if it would continue

[Coach Janky Spanky]

That was a Shanny and BA move

Sure but Vinny was the one who put us into that cap predicament in the first place.

[The Tris]

The trade will continue.

Glad you are on top of it.

[Blue Collar Skins]

you think, blue collar skins? wasnt sure if it would continue

Jsteelz ‏ @Jsteelzextreme Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Trade WILL go through, this does not effect the trade

[KDawg]

Jsteelz ‏ @Jsteelzextreme Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Trade WILL go through, this does not effect the trade

What trade? There's a ton of off topical stuff to sort through in this bad boy.

[Son of Gadsden]

Jsteelz ‏ @Jsteelzextreme Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Trade WILL go through, this does not effect the trade

Are you sure he is not referring to the RG3 trade? That's what I assumed he was discussing because it took place before the NFL met about this.

[STBonecrusher21]

I believe he was referring to the trade up to #2.

[Blue Collar Skins]

Are you sure he is not referring to the RG3 trade? That's what I assumed he was discussing because it took place before the NFL met about this.


I believe he was referring to the trade up to #2.

It's definitely possible, that he was. :shrug:

[Darth Tater]

Yeah this was brought up in the other thread...someone mentioned a swap of positions in one of the rounds...Is he any good? don't know too much about him

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I'm down...who needs a defense if we could watch RG3 to Megatron for the next 10 years lol

Yeah, what resources do we have to get someone of any known significance?

[The Tris]

Jsteelz ‏ @Jsteelzextreme Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Trade WILL go through, this does not effect the trade

That was the RGIII trade.

I doubt we open another hole (getting rid of a starting DB) at a time when we just saw our ability to fill holes halved.

[Son of Gadsden]

That was the RGIII trade.

I doubt we open another hole (getting rid of a starting DB) at a time when we just saw our ability to fill holes halved.

You know, I was trolling the Cowboys forum, and the bunch of fools brought up a decent point. Dan and Jerry knew about this before now. There's no way this was just a sudden thing that happened within the last couple hours. The press just broke it. But they must have had warning in advance. And if that's the case, nothing changes.

[jflow78]

Here's an update everyone:

Jsteelz ‏ @Jsteelzextreme Close
@kcclyburn @LL56_HTTR @TKextremeskins Allen said we are ok, for this year and next..starting to breathe a lil, he knew at that interview

So, essentially, all the moves made today, and the moves we're making in FA have been planned with this fine in mind.

Wait, did I say fine? I'm sorry, pre-agreed upon financial agreement that only ***** two teams while benefiting 28. No, not fine.

[derskinsfan]

as much as I think this is really unfair and stinks, i will admit that it all seemed a little too easy to wipe away all those years of anticipated "cap hell." now, you could also say it was smart business, which i would agree with. but you've got a bunch of other owners who were upset that they watched their spending all those years and we did not, and we also drove up market rates in general because of our free spending with no penalty.

and, at least we sort of have the cap room this year to cover the situation. it's not like we suddenly have to cut a whole bunch of players to get back under the cap.

[Darth Tater]

Even though I'm no expert, folks seem pretty uneducated about the salary cap implications of a trade. Teams take an immediate cap hit for trading away a player (all the future guaranteed money? the remaining prorated signing bonus?) and of course then have to pay whatever salary they are acquiring. Yet another reason why trades don't happen very often in the NFL.

So a likely trade suspect is someone on the books for very little cash (i.e. not DHall) on both sides of the equation, hence the tweets from Tandler about it involving "relatively minor" pieces.

If the NFL only forced 'this years' cap numbers to be the same (like the NBA), with no accelerated cap hit, then trades would be much more prevalent in the NFL. You'd see the bad/expiring contracts moved between teams more frequently and easily.

Not quite true about guaranteed money. Future guarantees do not hit the cap until paid and hit the cap of the team that pays them. Thing is, no one would trade for a guy who has future guarantees so the team trading him would probably have to pay some sort of option bonus that would hit their cap.

[braindx]

Here's an update everyone:

Jsteelz ‏ @Jsteelzextreme Close
@kcclyburn @LL56_HTTR @TKextremeskins Allen said we are ok, for this year and next..starting to breathe a lil, he knew at that interview

So, essentially, all the moves made today, and the moves we're making in FA have been planned with this fine in mind.

Wait, did I say fine? I'm sorry, pre-agreed upon financial agreement that only ***** two teams while benefiting 28. No, not fine.

It's a huge amount of BS and I hope they protest, but like I said in the other thread it's not completely horrible for us.

Say we split it 18 this year and 18 next year. With the cap at around 120 million that means we have to be at ~100 million this season and if it was 125 next season we will have to be at 105.

The year after that the penalty will null. If the new cap that year is 130 million of cap space again which means an extra $25 million compared to other teams to spend on free agents.

So basically, we are being punished for 2 years, but once those two years are up we will be able to go on a spending spree again like were going to this season. However.... Rg3 may be killed by then by not being able to get good OL and WR in FA and Fletcher will likely be done too.


If we split 18 this year, we will still likely have about 45 mil - 18 mil = 27 million to play with this year. It just means we won't be able to sign bigger name FAs unfortunately. Bringing over the 12 mill or so from last year is helping us offset this huge thing.

Not sure Vjax will wantt to come here now though... not sure how I feel about that.

[Stew]

Not sure Vjax will wantt to come here now though... not sure how I feel about that.

No VJax isn't necessarily a bad thing. His numbers arent jaw dropping, he has had off field issues, and he is 29. We could probably save money by bringing in someone like Malcolm Floyd or spend equally as much money on Colston who catches everything thrown in his direction. The only knock on Colston is how injury prone will he be for us...

Id rather have Floyd and another reciever like Royal.

[Prototype]

No VJax isn't necessarily a bad thing. His numbers arent jaw dropping, he has had off field issues, and he is 29. We could probably save money by bringing in someone like Malcolm Floyd or spend equally as much money on Colston who catches everything thrown in his direction. The only knock on Colston is how injury prone will he be for us...

Id rather have Floyd and another reciever like Royal.

the fact that he is 29 is misleading. He will 30 by the time the season starts, and with the little cap room we have now, i doubt mike and bruce will want to invest a lot of money into a 30 year old wr who will surely want a big contract

[Stew]

the fact that he is 29 is misleading. He will 30 by the time the season starts, and with the little cap room we have now, i doubt mike and bruce will want to invest a lot of money into a 30 year old wr who will surely want a big contract

I think we are looking at it the same way.

[21 always]

This is killing me ... what's the trade

[fifthorkid88]

rumor has it that they are looking to move Orakpo for a 2nd round pick this year (or low 1st). 2nd rounder is more likely.

[STBonecrusher21]

rumor has it that they are looking to move Orakpo for a 2nd round pick this year (or low 1st). 2nd rounder is more likely.

Where did you get this from?

[Birdlives]

rumor has it that they are looking to move Orakpo for a 2nd round pick this year (or low 1st). 2nd rounder is more likely.

Rumor's wrong.


Jsteelz‏@Jsteelzextreme

it is NOT Rak, that has been floated, LL gave a big hint earlier. im not trying to cause hurt feelings if its not going down

[fifthorkid88]

Where did you get this from?

I can't verify it, just watercooler talk, ....you know the drill, but it wouldnt surprise me if it happens. I just hope the salary cap penalty doesn't hamper their effort to resign Fletch.

[skinsfan242]

It was Hall not Orakpo. Who knows what it is now though, probably no-one since teams may think we will cut him either way now that our cap room isn't as large.

[acuratl1984]

I can't verify it, just watercooler talk, ....you know the drill, but it wouldnt surprise me if it happens. I just hope the salary cap penalty doesn't hamper their effort to resign Fletch.

Hope your watercooler is full of poop. A 25 yo DE/OLB with 28.5 sacks in 3 years? I rather keep him, then use the 2nd rounder on a possible bust.

[fifthorkid88]

Hope your watercooler is full of poop. A 25 yo DE/OLB with 28.5 sacks in 3 years? I rather keep him, then use the 2nd rounder on a possible bust.

Ha, Ha, me too!

[Skins21!]

Cooley could be on the block.

[the burgundy and gold]

Hope your watercooler is full of poop. A 25 yo DE/OLB with 28.5 sacks in 3 years? I rather keep him, then use the 2nd rounder on a possible bust.

Yeah, are you kidding me? Trading Orakpo -a top 15 pick just a few years ago for a second round pick would be extremely foolish.

[Arsenic]

:cool:



way to go..

i see..

[DogofWar1]

the fact that he is 29 is misleading. He will 30 by the time the season starts, and with the little cap room we have now, i doubt mike and bruce will want to invest a lot of money into a 30 year old wr who will surely want a big contract

I thought his birthday was in January. I'm fairly certain he just turned 29. He was born on January 14, 1983, at least according to wikipedia. Unless that's wrong, he won't turn 30 until the playoffs next year.

He's still a little older than ideal, but I think he's still got three good years left, and possibly four, but that might be pushing it.

[#BgMase76#]

Brown has got to go. What's this, his third year. The first one was supposed to about him getting back into shape. Then last year he just looked like crap. I'd of taken Heyer over him. You knew Heyer was gonna get beat. Brown just stood there like "its ok, I'm paid and TW is my homies from OU"

[Spearfeather]

Trading Orakpo ......

http://thumbs.ifood.tv/files/images/editor/images/whiskey_bottles.jpg

http://www.discoveruruguay.com/images/tango-0102a.gif

http://www.rondayphotography.com/HistogramArticle/RedFoxIH.jpg

[diesel22]

lol I know he's a "me" first type of personality but talent wise, he has a ton of game. Wish he had his head on straight though.

You could fill a dump truck with the amount of ignorant, disrespectful things this guy has done, not only to himself and his team...but the game itself. He is not the first 4.3 WR to come along and he won't be the last. Best way for him to help us is to stay in philthy and contaminate their locker room.

[superozman]

Probably because he's a punk, loudmouth, cancer, selfish me-first overrated and overpaid prick.


In 2010 - he had the greatest contribution in 2 wins, and another game where the skins should have tied but the kicking unit blew it. What other CB's do that?
In 2011 - he did get beat sometimes - but if you want to reference the cowboys game how the hell is he supposed to cover for that long? he did his job, then when you get to ad-libbing the play - who can cover bryant 1-1????

Your punk comment? You don't want someone sticking up for teammates? You want someone to be happy on a year in and year out losing team?
Interviews - he does talk - and he'll say whats on his mind? You think that Fletcher tells the truth constantly? Watch him in a losing effort, London wants to rip teammates, but just because Hall is more outspoken you want him off the team? Oh, by the way, he admitted he should be cut once. Thats pretty humbling man.

Why do people always want to get rid of a solid player and because of cherry picking events. He's a solid player at a very reasonable price. I'm glad i have someone honest and fiesty on my team and i don't root for a bunch of Panzies.

[redskindan07]

In my opinion Rak should almost be untouchable

[PorkSkins]

We're getting Brandon Lloyd back?

[corrupt3d]

Trading Orakpo ......

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[IMG]http://www.discoveruruguay.com/images/tango-0102a.gif[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.rondayphotography.com/HistogramArticle/RedFoxIH.jpg[IMG]


ahhh "whiskey tango foxtrot"

took me a while, well done

[blindside]

Could it be possibly Crabtree?

[GothSkinsFan]

Could it be possibly Crabtree?

Crabtree? With his contract? Besides, the '9ers are *hurting* at WR. They'd switch with us in a heartbeat. I don't think our receivers are all that bad as a whole -- we just didn't have a QB who could get them the ball.

[MrJL]

Crabtree? With his contract? Besides, the '9ers are *hurting* at WR. They'd switch with us in a heartbeat. I don't think our receivers are all that bad as a whole -- we just didn't have a QB who could get them the ball.

we could send Moss or Gaffney then

[Sawyer5500]

Jsteelz said it was D Hall but the trade apparently fell through. I dont think its going to happen. The cap thing with the league probably hurt us here. Other teams know we have to shed salary now.

[Skins3000]

Jsteelz said it was D Hall but the trade apparently fell through. I dont think its going to happen. The cap thing with the league probably hurt us here. Other teams know we have to shed salary now.

For who is the question though

[Popeman38]

Jsteelz said it was D Hall but the trade apparently fell through. I dont think its going to happen. The cap thing with the league probably hurt us here. Other teams know we have to shed salary now.We do not have to shed salary. We are fine with the penalty.

[skins2victory]

Jsteelz said it was D Hall but the trade apparently fell through. I dont think its going to happen. The cap thing with the league probably hurt us here. Other teams know we have to shed salary now.

Not according to Bruce...... As of today Bruce says our cap is fine, the redskins violated no rules, and the redskins are ready for FA.

[skinny21]

Jsteelz said it was D Hall but the trade apparently fell through. I dont think its going to happen. The cap thing with the league probably hurt us here. Other teams know we have to shed salary now.

Do you have that tweet(or whatever) from Jsteelz?

[milellie111]

In 2010 - he had the greatest contribution in 2 wins, and another game where the skins should have tied but the kicking unit blew it. What other CB's do that?
In 2011 - he did get beat sometimes - but if you want to reference the cowboys game how the hell is he supposed to cover for that long? he did his job, then when you get to ad-libbing the play - who can cover bryant 1-1????

Your punk comment? You don't want someone sticking up for teammates? You want someone to be happy on a year in and year out losing team?
Interviews - he does talk - and he'll say whats on his mind? You think that Fletcher tells the truth constantly? Watch him in a losing effort, London wants to rip teammates, but just because Hall is more outspoken you want him off the team? Oh, by the way, he admitted he should be cut once. Thats pretty humbling man.

Why do people always want to get rid of a solid player and because of cherry picking events. He's a solid player at a very reasonable price. I'm glad i have someone honest and fiesty on my team and i don't root for a bunch of Panzies.

Greatest contribution in 2 wins in 2010? That's good. He was doing his job, exactly what he's getting paid to do. What about the other 14 games of the season tho?
Your comments show that DHall is incosistent and unreliable. He'll give you a couple of good games, but other games don't expect him to play like a top corner.

No one's talking about sticking up for your teammates. I'm talking about him starting stuff, almost costing penalties and erupting fights. Punk move especially when he know's his teammates are around him. Yes, every competitor gets upset after a game. London Fletcher gets upset, but it's the way you go about it afterwards. Fletcher is a motivator. DHall is an instigator.

He's humble because he said we should cut him? lol. No, he was not trying to be humble, he obviously knew he had been sucking so he said that to deflect some of the light off of his bad performance so people could feel sorry for him at the moment. He only said that because he knew the skins wouldn't cut him. He played some fans like a fiddle i see. Probably was really laughing under his breath. Skins should have called his bluff though. Question, if he was so humble, why didn't he give back some money which he felt overpayed for? Exactly.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

the fact that he is 29 is misleading. He will 30 by the time the season starts, and with the little cap room we have now, i doubt mike and bruce will want to invest a lot of money into a 30 year old wr who will surely want a big contract

Didn't he turn 29 in January? That means he'll be 29 during the entirty of this season (unless we're playing deep into the post-season). It's splitting hairs, but he just had his 29th birthday.

[Sawyer5500]

Do you have that tweet(or whatever) from Jsteelz?

Jsteelz ‏ @Jsteelzextreme
Had skins trying to move Hall, that may be cuase his 6.2 would come off books,also heard VJ love had turned, this is UGLY

[redskindan07]

Garcon in negotiations with the Skins!!

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Any chance we trade 'Tana. Mid-low round pick..