Yahoo: Most Americans oppose health law but like provisions

[Larry]

Link.

I suspect that probaly most of this article is probably well chewed ground for most Tailgate political junkies. But I thought it summarized a lot of things into one place, and somewhat looked at how it might shape the election.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most Americans oppose President Barack Obama's healthcare reform even though they strongly support most of its provisions, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Sunday, with the Supreme Court set to rule within days on whether the law should stand.

Fifty-six percent of people are against the healthcare overhaul and 44 percent favor it, according to the online poll conducted from Tuesday through Saturday.

The survey results suggest that Republicans are convincing voters to reject Obama's reform even when they like much of what is in it, such as allowing children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26.

It's an interesting phenomenon, that seems to pop up a lot in American politics. Where people feel one way about a legislative package, but feel the opposite way about each of the individual components that make up the package.

(Which, I guess, is the reason why political spin, works.)


Sixty-one percent of Americans are against the mandate, the issue at the center of the Republicans' contention that the law is unconstitutional, while 39 percent favor it.


Support for the provisions of the healthcare law was strong, with a full 82 percent of survey respondents, for example, favoring banning insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

[skinsfan_1215]

Not surprising, GOP brainwash machine has been hard at work on this one.

[Unforgiven]

Gotta give it to the GOP, they kill the Dems on the PR front and convincing people to vote against their own best interests. They pick their position and hold to it till people come around no matter what, meanwhile the Democrats see they've offended someone with their views and fold.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

Gotta give it to the GOP, they kill the Dems on the PR front and convincing people to vote against their own best interests. They pick their position and hold to it till people come around no matter what, meanwhile the Democrats see they've offended someone with their views and fold.

this. They do a great job feeding on American ignorance.

[Larry]

Possible other theory:

Is it possible that part of the explanation for this phenomenon, is that the "people who don't like the law", lumps people who think it went too far in with people who think it didn't go far enough?

[twa]

americans like free stuff,but balk at paying for it?....I'm shocked

speaking of ignorance ...
how's that recovery coming along?
It's gonna pay for itself is always a keeper:pfft:

[Park City Skins]

Possible other theory:

Is it possible that part of the explanation for this phenomenon, is that the "people who don't like the law", lumps people who think it went too far in with people who think it didn't go far enough?

According to the article:


A good portion of the opposition to the healthcare law is because Americans want more reform, not less of it.
The poll found that a large number of Americans - including about one-third of Republicans and independents who disagree with the law - oppose it because it does not go far enough to fix healthcare.
Seventy-one percent of Republican opponents reject it overall, while 29 percent feel it does not go far enough, while independent opponents are divided 67 percent to 33 percent. Among Democratic opponents, 49 percent reject it overall, and 51 percent wish the measure went further.
"If you add the people that oppose it because they think it doesn't go far enough, you get a majority of Americans, so it doesn't mean that healthcare reform is dead," Jackson said.

[No Excuses]

speaking of ignorance ...
how's that recovery coming along?
It's gonna pay for itself is always a keeper:pfft:

Only took five posts for the twa derailment. :ols:

[sacase]

Its really not about PR. The fact is there are some good ideas in the health care law that I can support, however, the bad parts of it are just not acceptable and I cannot support them at all. So when its an all or nothing thing, I would have to go with nothing. Rework the law and keep the things that people support. If it is not possible then so be it.

[Burgold]

Simpler analogies... most people like medicine, but hate the taste.
Most people like a robust military, but hate paying taxes.
Most people like a strong system of law enforcement, but hate speeding tickets (and paying taxes).
Most people hate outsourcing, but hate paying more.

Republicans seemingly want us to focus on taste of the medicine... not what it can do.

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americans like free stuff,but balk at paying for it?....I'm shocked

speaking of ignorance ...
how's that recovery coming along?
It's gonna pay for itself is always a keeper:pfft:

Why are you talking about the Iraq War in this thread?[COLOR="Gold"]

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[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Here is the problem: We want everyone to be covered. We especially want all the provisions (like the pre-ex provision in the bill).

But for some reason, we don't want single payer and we don't want a mandate. Those are the only two real options here.

And you simply cannot have the other provisions without everyone be covered. It doesn't work without universal coverage.

Everyone wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die.

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speaking of ignorance ...
how's that recovery coming along?
It's gonna pay for itself is always a keeper:pfft:

We are coming up on 4,000 posts without an actual contribution. This is like the season Cal went after Gehrig's record.

[twa]

Everyone wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die.

sounds suspiciously like the theme I used

we(meaning ya'll) don't want single payer because we would have to pay for it

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Only took five posts for the twa derailment. :ols:

not a derailment when you are being sold the same BS

[Prosperity]

not a derailment when you are being sold the same BS

TWA: same old BS, at the wholesale price you can afford

[skinsmarydu]

To finally get married and get on hubby's healthcare(Humana), I was asked 3 questions.
Height, weight, and date of birth. PERIOD. Not mine, that was the end. I'm lovin' it. My doctor isn't, because she's having to run the tests I should've had run over the last 5 years, but we all know where we stand now. some of it's not so good, but I'll be ok in the long run. gotta quit smoking.

[twa]

TWA: same old BS, at the wholesale price you can afford

if you want quality I require compensation......kinda like a ins company in that

Skinsmarydu...isn't that normal in group plans even before Obamacare? (a spouse or dependent is always accepted)
From what I see it is a disaster
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/22/how-obamacare-dramatically-increases-the-cost-of-insurance-for-young-workers/
President Obama, too, touted the bill’s ability to “bend the cost curve,” repeatedly promising that the law would “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.”

But that was then.

Gruber now: Obamacare will increase premiums by 19-30 percent

[Teller]

News flash: The GOP didn't have to spin fining me because my employer doesn't provide affordable health insurance.

I'm completely fed up with the "agree with me or you're a stupid lemming" mentality some POT'ers have.

[Larry]

News flash: The GOP didn't have to spin fining me because my employer doesn't provide affordable health insurance.

I'm completely fed up with the "agree with me or you're a stupid lemming" mentality some POT'ers have.

Yeah!

(Could you quote the person who said "agree with me or you're a stupid lemming", so I can get all outraged at them, too?)

[Teller]

Yeah!

(Could you quote the person who said "agree with me or you're a stupid lemming", so I can get all outraged at them, too?)

The reading comprehension skills are weak with this one. I said "mentality." The kind of mentality that leads to the first several posts in this thread.

For a smart guy, you choose not to show it pretty frequently.

[Larry]

The reading comprehension skills are weak with this one. I said "mentality." The kind of mentality that leads to the first several posts in this thread.

For a smart guy, you choose not to show it pretty frequently.

Ah. So you were getting all outraged at what you think somebody else is thinking?

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As long as we're analyzing what other posters are thinking, could you explain where "fining me because my employer doesn't provide affordable health insurance" came from?

Cause, I assume that's a reference to the part of Obamacare that says that if you can afford health insurance, and choose not to purchase it, then there's a fine. (That, if you can't afford health insurance, then there's a [u]subsidy[/i]).

See, my ability to tell what other people are thinking must not be as good as yours. Must be because of my weak reading comprehension skills. That's why I ask people what they're thinking.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

To finally get married and get on hubby's healthcare(Humana), I was asked 3 questions.
Height, weight, and date of birth. PERIOD. Not mine, that was the end. I'm lovin' it. My doctor isn't, because she's having to run the tests I should've had run over the last 5 years, but we all know where we stand now. some of it's not so good, but I'll be ok in the long run. gotta quit smoking.

You can still be denied coverage over pre-existing conditions so be careful. If your doctor finds out that you have an illnesss that predates your date of coverage, your policy almost certainly does not cover it.

[twa]

You can still be denied coverage over pre-existing conditions so be careful. If your doctor finds out that you have an illnesss that predates your date of coverage, your policy almost certainly does not cover it.

yeah, they typically have a waiting period before pre-existing conditions are covered unless you were fully insured beforehand....simply issuing a policy does not mean full coverage

[Redskins Diehard]

Wait a second....is smoking bad for us?

[Thiebear]

The bill was a debacle showing the pinnacle of buy off people for their votes, it doesn't matter what the bill says, only what it does and we can't tell you that till it passes.
Then they say it only going to be a trillion over 10 years with it doubling in price? already with a guarunteed quadrupling considering everything that was going to pay for it has been cancelled.

I want a health care bill that takes the best of France, Germany, Canada and the United States. Plenty of test cases to go for the best.

[Destino]

When you can't win the war of ideas, lie until people don't like the other guys either.